resources

[carmine canopy]

pdf zu '1001 pitfalls'

als ich "impossible" gesagt habe, meinte ich eig. "impossible"

konnte ein nicht finden

then make one with the copy you've ordered 😈

i thought i said something about that oops apparently not

i said

well i could do tht but i dont know how : ]

you need a camera

and many hours of time

or a scanner

actually there are machines that do that zuper fast

You should be able to use a printer.

mate i complain when i have to use a camera for ebay for 2 pics

i dont think i won a scanner

😦

http://www.allied-images.com/images/M1000.jpg

own *

oh i lie i might do : ]

these things flip the pages and scan it 2 sheets at a time

kauf ein, warren

wud u like to buy me 1

;l

wtf i have like £60 to my name

nein, du brauchst es, nicht ich

aber

du willst das Buch

;l

technically he's the one that needs it the least since he's already got the physical book

Ikr

Looks like the cards in my hands >:)

[swift wigeon]

Where was that explanation on the halts, dochs, jas, mals etc (modal particals)

[sleek holly]

Hammer's German Grammar. You can find the book in the list.

[leaden gyro]

hey guys im getting interested at studying german anyone know any good begginer resources i can find?

[fervent oxide]

Duolingo

[carmine canopy]

(s)he did specify "good" :p

[nimble flame]

@leaden gyro We have quite an extensive resource list available here(link is pinned and in the channel description). There should be something for everyone 😃

[fervent oxide]

Duolingo is arguably a good resource, just it should be used as a supplement

[stark citrus]

Yo check this out, "The 500 most frequent words cover 75% of all German" from /r/German

https://redd.it/63a65m

[sleek holly]

So all you need to do is learn the 1000 most frequent words and then you'll know 150% of all German, wow!

[carmine canopy]

/r/theydidthemath

[brazen lantern]

anscheinend sind "german" und "group" unter den top 500?!?

[indigo basin]

I use the memrise course that's the top 5000 words sorted by frequency

[carmine canopy]

@indigo basin can you say the exact name of course?

[indigo basin]

@carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

Thanks

[oak python]

idk if I've linked this before but here's a resource that German instructors use to share their worksheets

https://de.islcollective.com

and here's a site helpful for practicing translating: https://tatoeba.org/eng/

^probably best not to use that though until you're comfortable with German. it's a sort of database too that relies on accurate translations

[sleek holly]

I don't think we have those, thanks. I'll add them if someone doesn't beat me to it. looks at @nimble flame

[nimble flame]

😮

done @sleek holly ❤

[sleek holly]

Thanks. ❤

[carmine canopy]

yeah tatoeba is a corpus of example sentences, it's not supposed to be a tool to practise translation

[oak python]

I've used it as such. I just never translate things I'm unsure on. It relies on people participating with it to function/grow, and you don't have to be native or completely fluent in both languages to work on it

Some of the untranslated sentences are actually super easy, but reinforce what you already know

[carmine canopy]

that's true, but if you're sure on a sentence then practising on it won't do much good. Doesn't duolingo have a section specifically to practise translation? Might as well use that

[nimble flame]

did Brzrkr just recommend Duolingo?

I never thought that could happen

[carmine canopy]

:0

[oak python]

I disagree. You can know something well and still benefit from reinforcing it

[carmine canopy]

i mean, i don't know anything better for that specific purpose or i would have recommended that instead xD

i would argue that it's not very efficient if you don't mix in some uncertain/new stuff in the practice

[oak python]

It's one thing to know how to say something, it's another to actually translate it

which is sort of a skill on its own

also if you go from German -> English (which they recommend you do with languages you are not completely fluent in)

then you are likely to get an accurate translation while still possibly learning new content

that's what I do actually. I never translate from English to German. I can read something and understand what it means, while needing to take some extra time to actually translate it accurately because that's a skill I don't use as often. Which is why I said that the benefit from this would be specifically with translation, not necessarily the language itself

(and for the record, I've been using this service for over a year. I linked it because I personally have found it beneficial. If you don't think it's important to you, oh well)

[sleek holly]

Yeah, understanding and reproduction are two different things, and exposing yourself to the language as much as you can helps foster that. You'll see a new word, a new way to use one that you already knew or you'll just run into a spicy meme. Either way, yay leaning.

[swift wigeon]

@carmine canopy I'm pretty sure Duolingo killed the immersion thing

[carmine canopy]

lol they really don't want me to say nice things about them do they

[carmine canopy]

does anyone know any resource which explains each of all, or of the main german lexical categories?

i googled but it was not so easy as though it would be

Not sure what you mean 🤔 I think they're the same as other languages, no?

at first i also thought so but reading about it i found out it differs from language to language, sure some use the same, but a lot others change

like i think japanese has 3 classes of adjectives

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wortart

Yeah you can go deeper and start breaking some down

every language has its own grammar, what's new?

idk i just want the resource if u dont have its ok

😂

it's hard to point the way if i don't understand where you want to go

ok im sry its just that i dont want to argue

No arguing needed. Some clarification and context so we can help better.

well i think that yeah every language has its own grammar but grammar talks about word structure and other stuff

while lexical structure is just the describing of the elements of a sentence

like nouns adjectives articles

n that is the point it depends on the language ur talking about

So that link has the breakdown

And some historical context

thats y i asked for german, to know if it differs or how much it differs from english

But it's not a comparative

🤔

no its fine to not be a comparative

i found a "enough" source in english for lexical categories

It's all in German tho 😅

The one I posted

yeah...

in linguistics it's really hard to make "universals", meaning statements that are true for all languages

ill see what i do 😂

there are languages where the concept of noun is not applicable

It's hard to make any categorical statement

Who knows what's going on 😛

yeah brzrk thats exactly why i want it

but between german and english the overall components are basically the same

but every language has its own sub-rules

its so interesting how we learn like adjective declensions weak nouns articles n other stuff but a lot of times we dont even know what those r

I should learn that stuff sometime

you mean that people learn to use them without formally knowing what their names are and so on?

exactly elland its so interesting

not about their names but what they rly represent

I'm so much more into dialect spectrums and language acquisition tho

i don't think people learn those without knowing what they represent, even if they can't always put it into words

well im going into parts 😂 im only a beginner

you can't speak a language without understanding it at least subconsciously

ok then, i gtg now

thx u both for ur help

O/ bis nachher

i didn't do anything but you're welcome xD

bye

[carmine canopy]

Why do you guys not like Duolingo?

imho it's nice for bare beginners

[sleek holly]

Only one of us doesn't, haha. 😛

Well I mean, different people have different needs and learn differently. If it works for you, it doesn't matter if the rest of the world hates it. 😉

[carmine canopy]

I got no problems with that. I was just curious

yep, if it works for you, go for it

i'm the "one of us" who doesn't btw x)

[broken berry]

(Shh but I don’t like Duolingo either.)

[carmine canopy]

if you're curious as for the reason, it's because I think of time as the most valuable resource humans have, and Duolingo makes a very bad use of it by being terribly inefficient

[misty valve]

The value of it isn't really efficiency. Or long term learning either.

[broken berry]

It serves its purpose, though, I suppose. It’s supposed to just give you a taste of the language.

[misty valve]

Why it's a really good tool is more that... it gives you an easy first step into a language and teaches you about the commitment.

Basically it's just really easy.

And holds your hand over that intimidating hurdle of learning languages.

[unkempt sinew]

i did two Duolingo courses as well and i liked the experience. It just depends on wether you look at it as a language learning resource or an entertainment resource.

[carmine canopy]

but there are a tonne of free beginner courses on the internet, why choose one that makes you waste a month to get to a2 when you cna do it in two weeks

[broken berry]

Preferences, I suppose. To each their own.
I absolutely love /r/shitduolingosays though. I’m thankful for Duo.

[misty valve]

Like I said, it's easy.

And the daily practice mentality is really significant.

[unkempt sinew]

It was just sad to see that they cut the Immersion part.

[misty valve]

They got rid of it?

The comment threads I've found to be really useful on duolingo.

What's your favourite free course then, if you have any that isn't Duolingo?

[unkempt sinew]

there is a list of free resources if you look at the top of your screen

[misty valve]

That's very useful, thank you.

[sleek holly]

why choose one that makes you waste a month to get to a2 when you cna do it in two weeks
If you honestly believe you can reach A2 in two weeks, you should write a book and share your methods with the world. 😛

[carmine canopy]

Definitely would like a recipe for that!

a2 is a joke if you've learned other languages before and know how language learning works :p

[sleek holly]

Definitely do write a book and explain how is it that other people struggle for months to get there, then. 😛

[carmine canopy]

And maybe tell us in a few words to help newbies

will do, gimme time to get the proper curriculum first so editors won't spit in my face

but seriously it's just a question of resources and method; you need to have something that can guide you through the stuff in an effective way and have the patience to do it

i'm teaching my boyfriend what little i know about german and in like two weeks he's learned what took me months to learn. Either i'm a fucking godlike teacher, which i doubt, or having the way properly presented to him helped him skip all the padding

[broken berry]

I don’t know, maybe you’re just quick with such things. I don’t think it really helps a learner’s esteem if reaching A2 is trivialised like that, but that’s just me.

[sleek holly]

Patience being the key here. 😛 A2 in two weeks is downright impossible, and it may not be the best idea to tell that to beginners, since it kinda has a "Oh you've been learning for months and still consider yourself A1? Lol ur dum." feel. At least to me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Lel, Annie. ❤

[carmine canopy]

that's a good point Anya, I didn't want to give that impression

[sleek holly]

Well, anyway,
https://www.hueber.de/media/36/schritte1-2-grammatik.pdf
https://www.hueber.de/media/36/schritte3-4-grammatik.pdf
https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/de/Goethe-Zertifikat_A2_Wortliste.pdf
That would be all the grammar and vocab you'd need to call yourself a CEFR A2. So, you can kinda see my scepticism. You could get familiar with all of that in a month or so, but mastering it to such a degree that you can use all of those concepts without much struggle is a no no. With a period of "ugh I literally have 0 motivation, whyyyyyyyyyyyy pls kill me", a solid B2 took me a bit less than 2 years.

[carmine canopy]

Help me get to A2 in two weeks

guys stop mocking me xD

[sleek holly]

No, it's fun. ❤

[carmine canopy]

also don't overlap the general understanding of the CEFR levels as approximate evaluation to the structured Goethe levels

(because that's a strawman) xP

Cool, but still give me some pointers, i really am a beginner

[misty valve]

@carmine canopy Let's get to A2 together. 😛

[carmine canopy]

It'll be our little competition

[misty valve]

Sure. Make me practice.

[carmine canopy]

i guess i am competent enough to hold beginner lessons? 🤔

[misty valve]

What's the worst that could happen?

[carmine canopy]

that i end up teaching the wrong language

[misty valve]

You know, at the end of the day, they'll still have learned something.

[sleek holly]

Just scream in Italian and everyone will think it's German.

[broken berry]

Do one thing. Forget about teaching or correcting. Just get the conversation flowing. Get a couple of A-levels so at least start speaking a few sentences at one go and that would be achievement enough.

[carmine canopy]

i'm not a very magnetic speaker tho tbh

not a good host in general, i mean

when i'm simulating conversations in my head while taking a shower, sure, i'm the best demagogue, but when i hop into voicechat i mostly just make fun of americans or post memes

[misty valve]

Oh yeah, those imaginary shower lectures that never get said out loud.

Such a shame.

But just so you know, even though I'm new, I'll try to be supportive and start conversations if it helps.

[carmine canopy]

you're a good lad, I like you already 👍

[misty valve]

Ty.

[carmine canopy]

We just need some directions

But will support you fully

[carmine canopy]

#282831147942281216

[rapid heath]

http://pokemon-tube.com/folge/1

Pokemon is excellent to rewatch and listen to in german 😉

[sleek holly]

Cool, thanks. 😄

[misty valve]

Does anyone have any recommendations for German-speaking LPers on youtube?

[carmine canopy]

what types of games do you prefer

[misty valve]

I watch a variety. Rather than games, I'm more concerned about finding good commentators. Like good sound quality, relatively easy to understand, well spoken, and so on. I'm really just wondering if there are any in particular that people on here might watch themselves.

[carmine canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/user/Gronkh speaks very clearly and has good sound quality

[misty valve]

I started watching this playlist because I was playing this game recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YI2oB7bJDw

Danke.

[carmine canopy]

Gern

[timid epoch]

Does anyone know any good sketch/comedian/vlog german YouTubers?

[timid epoch]

No? :c

[unkempt sinew]

I would suggest the Space Frogs - they have two channels (one for sketches and one for videos where they talk about certain topics):
https://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceFrogsEnt
https://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceFrogsRadio

[rapid heath]

Check out Dr. Allwissend

Also if you want to really get confused, checkout 'Rumblebeast666' Polisemia, for a **** ton of Teekesselchen und Wortwitze

[timid epoch]

thank you, I'll check them out

[carmine canopy]

@neat scroll http://languageoclock.tumblr.com/german check it out

[carmine canopy]

Does anyone have any recommendations for German scientific magazines?

[unkempt sinew]

I would guess Spektrum http://www.spektrum.de/

[carmine canopy]

That's actually the only one I found 😕

Thank you anyway!

[unkempt sinew]

bild der Wissenschaft http://www.wissenschaft.de/startseite/ and
GEO kompakt http://www.geo.de/magazine/geo-kompakt
are two other ones that came into my head

GEO actually has a wide variety of magazines but GEO kompakt is the one that is the most actual science-oriented one

[carmine canopy]

Oh thank you ☺️

[rapid heath]

If you have Spotify and want to hear about german science news: try "Deutschlandfunk Forschung aktuell"

[boreal socket]

Anyone know where I could find some examples of short German writing e.g. letters, emails and other formats (for an ab initio level)? I know this is quite specific.

[carmine canopy]

not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for but the texts on german.net/reading/ are good for beginners

[boreal socket]

Thanks I'll have a look

[swift briar]

thanks to whoever recommended spacefrogs, I didn't know about their second channel

[swift briar]

I wondered why I was already subbed to them but it must have been the Hund vs Katze videos

[carmine canopy]

http://www.dict.cc/ really good german dictionary that my german teacher uses and so do I

[unkempt sinew]

^ it is the one used for the built-in translation bot

[carmine canopy]

yeah

[fervent oxide]

It's already in the list that you can find at the top of your screen

[carmine canopy]

The link to Modern German grammar: A practical guide 2nd edition Workbook, the second link under "Exercises and practice material," is broken. See this page for the reason: https://k0nsl.org/blog/looking-pdf-k0nsl-org/.

However, I did find the workbook elsewhere: http://www.readersstuffz.com/downloads/ebooks/Language Books/German/German - Modern Grammar 2.pdf.

[sleek holly]

Thanks!

I also have backups of all the books locally in case they ever go down.

[carmine canopy]

i know my german teacher uses a 15 year old book

"Deutsch Aktuell 2"

not very aktuell

let me say that

[misty valve]

It will make you sound 15 years older. 😃

[tidal thicket]

http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/ is this site good?

[burnt forge]

looks good, it does not cheap out on detail (it even goes over the Weak N-declension nouns)

[tidal thicket]

Alright, thanks!

[barren juniper]

It seems really good, yes

I'd pin it

[sleek holly]

We don't pin things, we add them to the Google Doc that you can find in the channel topic... which a surprising number of people doesn't bother checking. 🙁

I'll add it when I get home. 😄

[barren juniper]

I have it open in a tab c:

I also do have some resources to share

u-unless I shouldn't

they're lessons from Assimil, Michel Thomas, and so on

[sleek holly]

Feel free to. 😃

[barren juniper]

In case you guys can just take them down like no tomorrow

Assimil
https://mega.nz/#!EkATgSiL!RB8gn05pc9TpCD4okKX8nfOSV7rP-MSAtngsa1l4H_c
Learning resources
https://mega.nz/#!dtYzVCBQ!jO4X3QGF7hJM_IoenLQ0-qwTR16jNvmAb1d-wy4FLoU
Michel Thomas
https://mega.nz/#!EsYSzLLb!YSbFtNU72ZUM2jtqG14cRwL8tcvmvjTlj0ZLo18vkUg
Pimsleur
https://mega.nz/#!hkAHWQSR!ly1fblCYQf2YhVKpTABs1YkKNdxrwKJVNsMtP22c5RI
Swiss German
https://mega.nz/#!pxpHiJZA!NVRdSnYkfak6Gq1Ii_83N0jdZPK22gPVPikhzVHLzVY

[carmine canopy]

👌

can you describe what the three links in the middle are?

[barren juniper]

Learning resources is a tor- errrr River of things you can download, around 2 gb I think.
Michel Thomas is mostly an audiocourse

and Pimsleur is similar to Michel Thomas, but more generic I think

I would love to find similar discords and resources for other langauges

might give it a try in anderesprachen

[carmine canopy]

interesting, thank you

yeah if you find anything interesting please let me know

[barren juniper]

http://languagecourse.net/

http://dict.cc/
http://linguee.de/
https://www.germanveryeasy.com/
http://www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/index.html

[carmine canopy]

hi guys, does anyone have a good list of verbs cases?

ive been using one, but its too incomplete

[misty valve]

What do you mean by verb cases exactly?

[carmine canopy]

like haben is accusative

Verben Mit Dativ Und Akkusativ

[misty valve]

This website seems to have a good list. http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/reference/dative-verbs/

http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/verbs/verb-types/

http://en.longua.org/verbs.with.genitive.php

[carmine canopy]

thx, it helps to complement my list, and the second link is rly interesting

ive been reading a grammar book n didnt know there were auxiliary verbs

[misty valve]

Yeah, that's getting towards the more complicated grammar.

[carmine canopy]

just a few verbs with genitive XD

thx!!!

[misty valve]

Np. Make sure to double-check with the people who know the language better before using them though, since I wouldn't really know.

[carmine canopy]

ok, but these sites look reliable, i think ill be fine

ppl usually correct me anyways XD

[carmine canopy]

isn't that part of a bigger, more complete table that was posted some time ago?

[trim depot]

Mein gott

Thats complicated

[carmine canopy]

it's not. of course it looks daunting if you look at it all at once but that's not what cheatsheets are fore

*for

accidental Shakespeare

[stiff nova]

@carmine canopy why is that table not pinned? It's incredibly useful.

I had a similar table hung on the wall of my room for weeks after I started learning german

[carmine canopy]

I'm not the boss here ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stiff nova]

hmm... well it really should be it is so useful (was for me at least).

[carmine canopy]

i'm not sure i get what the bottom rightmost table is referencing

[sleek holly]

Brzkrzkrzkrk not complaining about tables being Satan's child

wtf

[carmine canopy]

i mean, you shouldn't learn from tables, but if you want to use them as a reminder, be my guest, that's what they're for

they're not duolingo, they don't completely and arrogantly miss the point of their own existence

[unkempt sinew]

here have a lingot and calm down:

[carmine canopy]

[misty valve]

The bottom rightmost is... I think... just pronouns, like er/ihn/ihm for masculine.

[carmine canopy]

0x1 is one of the people I'd least expect to have access to remoji 🤔

[carmine canopy]

I'm in a lot of emoji servers

just for the emoji? You whore

jk i do that too, kinda

^^

[dense jungle]

me

[zealous crow]

Just wondering maybe anyone knows where to find audio (or +video) of strong verbs (infinitive + präteritum + perfekt), just a list of them read aloud? There must be a youtube video (there're even 10 hours of hairdryer videos!), but I'm not able to find. Maybe listening them will help me to remember.

[stiff nova]

die-Konjugation is a website that will provide the tenses of verbs.

as for audio/video of it, your best bet will probably be Deutsch für Euch (she often does verb lists/stuff like that), but that's still not likely to provide you a good number of verbs.

[carmine canopy]

looking for that seems like harder work than just putting the words to actual use to remember them best.

[misty valve]

Hairdryers are clearly preferable to learning German grammar.

[sleek holly]

Find a list and have windows narrator read it out for you. 🎉

[carmine canopy]

is there a way to find those synthesizers twitch streamers use? Some of the voices are very well done

[barren juniper]

Do you guys think that through all these resources one could learn german properly in one month and/or simply alone, without tutor?

[misty valve]

Depends what you mean by "learn German properly".

You could probably learn to get by in conversation assuming you are also consistently practicing with some German speakers.

And if you have enough free time to practice that much every day.

[carmine canopy]

you can certainly do it without classes/tutors because that's what I did/am doing

if you're asking if you can become fluent in a month then no

you need simply too much time to practise and learn everything to be able to do it in that little time

[misty valve]

Even if that kind of condensed learning is possible too, it's pretty difficult for most people to keep it up without losing a lot of efficiency. Because you need to give your brain a chance to actually process everything.

[carmine canopy]

to learn a language quickly you need to have a good grasp of linguistics in general and your brain must be used to the concept of not thinking in your native language, or forming language-neutral thoughts. That's why the more languages you learn the easier it gets to learn more, but nobody can learn their second language quickly

[clever heron]

Anyone have any good german learning podcasts that they recommend?

Trying to find some podcasts to listen to while studying

[unkempt sinew]

what level are you on?

[clever heron]

A2 probably

[unkempt sinew]

you should take a look at the r/German wiki:
https://www.reddit.com/r/German/wiki/audio

[clever heron]

thanks!

[barren juniper]

replying A2 probably instead of "Maybe 5 or 6 my dude"
not replying with "Du bist wie ein Baby, schau Mal"

[trim depot]

?

[sleek pawn]

any book recomendation for a A1 student?

Any book will do, even children's book

[unkempt sinew]

have a look at the pinned resources list

[sleek pawn]

Thanks

[dense jungle]

o

[fervent oxide]

That's what I call a love triangle

[boreal socket]

Is there anything similar to lang-8 but that is more active?

[misty valve]

Is Lang-8 not active?

[rapid compass]

What is that?

[misty valve]

It's a website where you can write in a language and have people correct your writing, and you can correct others.

[rapid compass]

Ohhhh

[snow pulsar]

Hallo! Are there any "graded reading" book recommendations?

[zealous crow]

how is lang-8 not active? all 2 times that I tried, I've got my text checked within 10 minutes. And also subscription is cheap, then I think it's even faster.

[boreal socket]

Not sure, just recently I haven't gotten any replies after 3 days, and I proofread a bunch of other people's work to increase points or whatever

[mighty onyx]

Großer Artikel auf "die", "der", und "das". http://www.deutschbox.org/blog/der-die-oder-das

Sehr gut für Anfänger

[carmine canopy]

@sleek pawn
http://www.childrensbooksforever.com/childrenpages/German1.html

I found those very helpful, but the knowledge you get from A1 isn't enough to help you through a children's book really.

I would suggest focusing on getting to A2 level, then using these books to build vocabulary and get used to reading in German.

[rough kiln]

Thanks for the link!

[sleek pawn]

Thanks Mr G!

[zealous crow]

Wow, actually the German Wikipedia is an excellent learning resource. One can find the topic that they like (for example among featured articles: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Exzellente_Artikel), and not read all that boring fiction novels. Also many articles have audio version.

[trim depot]

This is a GREAT article on a rather complicated and confusing word, but a very helpful word, "noch": https://yourdailygerman.com/2014/03/10/meaning-noch/

[thick knoll]

Does anyone have a document/article (resource in generel) that I can learn about German orthography from?

[trim depot]

*looks up orthography*

[thick knoll]

Pretty much how the spelling of some words change the pronunciation

[trim depot]

Lol

[thick knoll]

Like how "e" at the end of words change the pronunciation of its preceding vowel in word

[trim depot]

@carmine canopy would you know anything about this?

[thick knoll]

like plan and plane

/plæn/ and /pleɪn/

[trim depot]

Yeah, I'm not really sure

[carmine canopy]

german has a pretty straightforward system

[trim depot]

Yeah, it's fairly simple, i suppose, just some stuff with vowel length, with being before "ss" and "ß"

[trim depot]

http://www.das-dass.de lol

[night shell]

Dasßss ist gut zu wissen

[trim depot]

Lol

[charred sand]

Isnt the difference between "dass" and "das" pretty big?

or am I not getting it?

[misty valve]

Yeah, I think that's the point.

I think the link is expressing a concept similar to when people confuse they're, their and there in English. It's obvious, they are all completely different, yet many native speakers can't understand it.

[charred sand]

hmm

glad Im not retarded then

thanks

[mighty onyx]

Thanks for the book

Also try out https://archive.org/embed/texts?and[]=languageSorter%3A"German" it has 500,000 german PDFs including books like harry potter etc. If you can't find one I pm you a link!

Harry potter und der stien de weisen https://archive.org/details/01HarryPotterUndDerSteinDerWeisen

[cosmic heath]

pretty good verb course I found

https://www.memrise.com/course/1312456/zeitworter-und-verhaltnisworter/44/

[trim depot]

Here is a good resource for verb prefixes and what they mean: http://www.vistawide.com/german/grammar/german_verbs03.htm

Most used prefixes (from my experience, which is not much): "ein-" and "be-".

Plz correct if you think other prefixes are used more often... I don't want to be spreading disinformation 😄

[carmine canopy]

There are a lot of common prefixes, it would be hard to rate them individually. Aus- auf- um- ent- are also very common

[trim depot]

Looking for a website to learn just vocab... nouns and their articles, verbs and their present tense conjugations

@mighty onyx is it a book pdf? How do you read it (harry potter)

[zealous crow]

I'm still confusing auf- with aus- and ent- with ein-.

[trim depot]

Yeah i kinda do that too with auf and aus 😃

[mighty onyx]

@trim depot go to the page and on the right you'll see a download box with multiple formats. Press the PDF button to download the file in PDF and you're set.

[trim depot]

oh thx @mighty onyx

[mighty onyx]

No problem, if you're have @trim depot if you're having any problem with finding the file I can PM it :)

[trim depot]

Nope I got it 😄

[trim depot]

Anybody know some good german films? Preferably action or WW2, I'm a huge nerd 😄

And possibly a cheaper *wink wink* way of getting it?

[mighty onyx]

Do you mind dubbed films? You could probably find a lot of german dubs w/ eng subtitles @trim depot

[swift wigeon]

Yo a while back there was an PDF that explained German modal particles that we all sort of half-grammar lesson-half-Vorlesestunde’d. Does anyone have it still?

[swift wigeon]

Thx 😄

[unkempt sinew]

Ist doch kein Problem 😄

[distant silo]

can you guys create a channel where mods/ native can only upload files so we wont missing anything in this cluster ? 😃

[unkempt sinew]

there is a curated resources list at the top of your screen (if you are looking at this channel on your desktop)

the pdf presentations are not official but the ones of the last three months are pinned to the channel

[distant silo]

[mighty onyx]

For development of vocabulary: https://www.memrise.com

I know it's very famous but just in case somone doesn't know, they also have a really beautiful mobile app!

^ IMO this is better than duo because the pronounciations are from natives (like forvo) and duo has a lot of accented or incorrect pronounciations

[misty valve]

It also depends on the course you are learning on Memrise. Some have terrible or even non-existent voice recordings.

Just so people are aware.

[mighty onyx]

That's true, usually those are the ones created by users, the memrise official courses are generally officially certified by the official European board of language in 6 languages but I'd have to look that up.

The main reason I left duo was their incorrect pronounciations. As far as Germans goes this has better pronounciations.

[balmy wyvern]

I stopped using Duolingo because the progression felt arbitrary.

Also, mems on Memrise explain what is going on in the sentence little by little.

Memrise has helped.

Am not that in the dark anymore when it comes to use of prepositions.

[trim depot]

German CEFR test: https://www.goethe.de/en/spr/kup/tsd.html

Pretty hard, though

[zealous crow]

Is there a machine readable dictionary of German word forms?

[dense jungle]

uh

what do you mean by that

[zealous crow]

Every lemma annotated with grammar category, and list of all forms, also annotated. Example for Russian: http://opencorpora.org/dict.php?act=edit&id=371331

[fervent oxide]

Essentially a dictionary with a readable API?

[zealous crow]

Any electronic dictionary would do, actually, even if it doesn't have a formal API. I just want a dictionary that for every word also shows all forms of it. For example if it's verb, all tenses/persons/etc. If it's noun, then plural and also all cases (for strong nouns). If adjective, all cases, etc.

[carmine canopy]

http://www.clips.ua.ac.be might be helpful

[icy elbow]

@zealous crow for verbs: http://www.verbformen.com/

[zealous crow]

Danke!

[granite shell]

http://www.pu.if.ua/depart/Inmov/resource/file/samostijna_robota/Antoine_de_Saint_Exupery_-_Der_kleine_Prinz.pdf

Die kleine Schlange

[ebon locust]

is there any dictionary that defines words in english?

[zealous crow]

Speaking of Der kleine Prinz, have anyone seen a version with new orphography? ("dass", not "daß") I don't seem to be able to find one..

[elder crypt]

google search http://www.derkleineprinz-online.de/text/ hope this is what you are looking for

[zealous crow]

Thanks.

[barren juniper]

Thank you for sharing that dictionary crem,and thank you for the other site Sam

[fervent oxide]

@ebon locust do you mean a German-English dictionary? http://dict.cc is pretty popular

[ebon locust]

yes but dict.cc doesn't show definitions

I found duden.de but it shows definitions in German. for example:

Hause: Substantiv, Neutrum - 1a. Gebäude, das Menschen zum Wohnen …1b. Gebäude, das zu einem bestimmten …1c. Wohnung, Heim, in dem jemand

I am wondering if there is a dictionary with these definitions in English

[misty valve]

http://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/Haus
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/german-english/haus

[ebon locust]

example sentences incluing a word? awesome thanks

I can easily look up a "word = word" translation in a dictionary but when there are definitions and example sentences, that helps me understand it better

[misty valve]

Np. dict.leo.org also does examples.

[sullen hearth]

dict.cc

is really good I have found

[granite shell]

https://coerll.utexas.edu/gg/gr/no_03.html Basementality found this, it's rules for how plurals are formed

[vocal walrus]

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/0B9QDHej9UGAdanFhM3dqTldKNVE

There's a myriad of language books here but among them are German books

Iirc none are very modern but are still worth checking out nonetheless

[sleek holly]

Hmm interesting. Thanks!

I should really update the main list. .-.

[real frigate]

Can anyone recomend grammer / word order books / websites? I hope to improve actually speaking German this summer.

[misty valve]

Check the link at the top of this channel.

[real frigate]

Danke

[sleek holly]

Come oon. German isn't that hard that you'd need an entire book just for word order. 😦 😄

[distant silo]

its not easy bruh

[trim depot]

I'm sure most of y'all already know about this, but http://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-english.html is fantastic, and on mobile, there is an app.

[trim depot]

This is a helpful little webpage about the basic directions: http://learngermancoach.com/understanding-basic-directions/

[orchid fog]

someone of you learning spanish and got a good app?

[tame pier]

i made these english-german parallel texts of the adventures of sherlock holmes and the trial by kafka a while ago
they're not perfect but maybe they can be handy!

[blissful stream]

Very nice German course on Youtube for Russian speakers (from a German native speaker, of course). https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5iQEtkZ2oNA2ccipGiw82g

[carmine canopy]

Hi! I finished the grammar book i was reading yesterday, schenke and seago basic german, so what do u guys advise me to do now? Maybe schenke and seago intermediate german? Maybe another one from the resources list?

[neat prawn]

Reading the next book in series would be a logical step

Make sure to complement it with a lot of exercises

You can find those by googling "topic_name übungen" or something like that

[carmine canopy]

Ok thx ryuu!

N ik the logical step would be that, its just that the schenke and seago intermediate german is not listed on resources, so i thought it could be bad in some way

[sleek holly]

No, that just means we haven't found that one yet. If you have a link, I'd be happy to add it. 😉

[carmine canopy]

Well, it worked on my phone: http://www.readersstuffz.com/downloads/ebooks/Language Books/German/German - Intermediate.pdf

[sleek holly]

Nice, thanks! I'll add it.

[carmine canopy]

Is it the correct one? Have u read it before?

[sleek holly]

Nah, I haven't but it's from the same author so I'd assume it's the right one. 😄

[carmine canopy]

Yeah i also dont know, hope it is 😂

[sleek holly]

It is, don't worry haha.

[carmine canopy]

Oh ok thx!

[trim depot]

For those of you beginners who think in color:

☺️👍

[warm raven]

Your my favorite

[trim depot]

oh yay

[vocal walrus]

I've still gotta get cases into my head. I read a thing about what each mean but I've already forgotten :/

[soft canopy]

I confuse dative and genitive a lot

[unkempt sinew]

Don't worry, the natives do that too 😅

[cosmic bronze]

this order of cases always confuses me, German grammar books use another order

[unkempt sinew]

Yeah, I am used to Nom, Gen, Dat, Akk

But the order Nom, Akk, Dat, Gen is probably more useful for learners

[cosmic bronze]

yeah, pretty much all languages with cases use that order

[soft canopy]

I'm used to Nom Akk Dat Gen

[vocal walrus]

I was never good with grammar in school so I don't even know what those refer to in English off the top of my head :x

[unkempt sinew]

I mean, you don't really have cases in English anymore

only in things like he, his, him

[vocal walrus]

I mean,
Me wombo
You wombo
He/she/we wombo :v

[unkempt sinew]

Those are called "person"

[vocal walrus]

I was just making a joke but sure :x

[unkempt sinew]

Sorry, i don't have enough coffee for that 😅

[vocal walrus]

iirc cases is like, what's referring to what

[ornate falcon]

There are six cases in Albanian :v

Ndihmë të lutem

Well only five are all that productive

[stable spire]

Spanish has no cases but that's why we have like 18 tenses 😛

[fallen crater]

They're not that much ¬¬

Every language has a lot of tenses

[cosmic bronze]

Russian has three tenses

[undone cedar]

Old English only had two tenses (past and present). Mandarin Chinese verbs aren't declined for tense at all, as I understand it.

[fallen crater]

The only thing I'd say Idk understand is why on earth

Does Germans conjugate verbs.

When they always use the pronouns.

i.e in spanish we omit the pronouns that's why conjugating is really important

[undone cedar]

I'm not a linguist, but I'd point out two things: (1) some amount of redundancy can improve comprehension, and natural languages tend to include a fair amount of it; and (2) German conjugations aren't necessarily totally informative -- does "gehen" mean wir gehen, sie gehen, or Sie gehen?

[fallen crater]

That's why we use accents

Like this. Ve, vió

And when we need to make a difference between conjugation we use the pronoun

But it's not always needed

[swift wigeon]

There's more cases of identicals in German than Spanish cobjugy

[snow pulsar]

Are there any like... audio books that go German English German for each sentence

or something similar in concept

I need more stuff I can just listen to while walking down the street now that I've caught up with Coffee Break German (recommended)

[carmine canopy]

http://www.linguee.de/

[still wind]

dict.cc

pons

[carmine canopy]

sehr nett ist dein Avatar @swift wigeon

[safe relic]

hey

[carmine canopy]

Use the link that's pinned

[safe relic]

anybody could recommend to me some book or lecture? i want to improve my vocabulary

linguee?

[carmine canopy]

What

[safe relic]

what?

[open girder]

memrise can be good for pure vocab

[safe relic]

i'm seeing it

looks good

[cedar light]

That "vocab and grammar test" (languagelevel.com) from the resource list is really bad. It put me on C1, even though I'm just barely B1

[sleek holly]

Didn't I leave a note saying it's horribly unreliable?

Oh, apparently I didn't. Let's fix that. Because yeah, it really is. 😅

[heavy horizon]

The website literally doesn't even has an impressum or something else that could make this appear as an reliable source

[sleek holly]

Yeah, it will overshoot by at least one level. I left it in case anyone wants to use it for practice, but added a note about the unreliablity next to it.

Also thanks to everyone for submitting the resources over the past month. I had fallen a bit behind on the updates, but the stuff you've sent us is now in the curated list too. Thanks! ❤

[safe relic]

hey yo guys;;; i'm trying to find something good to read

i dont like much newspapers

do you read something? one blog maybe in german?

i guess my vocabulary would improve so much by reading

[open girder]

tried Deutsch Welle?

http://www.dw.com/de/deutsch-lernen/s-2055

pretty varied vocabulary, seems like C1

[eager flax]

uh.. read techical papers such as articles, those will keep you entertained

forever

[rough wolf]

does lingolia.com contain all needed grammar?

or does it contain only the basics or smth like that?

[heavy horizon]

Wenn mal jemand, der schon fortgeschritten im Deutschlernen ist, etwas Herausforderndes gucken möchte: (Thema: Identitätspolitik | Länge des Videos: 42min.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoBrgRQT1Qk

Auch für alle, die an dem Thema generell interessiert sind, zu empfehlen

[toxic mist]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2fCGQa2PY7CDJkKsRiYNC-7XxiU4I10f

[tiny cipher]

For whoever asked for German kids shows, I found http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Die-Sendung-mit-der-Maus/Sendung?documentId=1458

[heavy horizon]

I have searched for some german shows with subtitles, cause some of you wanted them and they seemed to be hard to find:
http://mediathek.daserste.de/Tatort/Borowski-und-das-Fest-des-Nordens/Video?bcastId=602916&documentId=43627922 The last Tatort
http://mediathek.daserste.de/Comedy-Satire-im-Ersten/Nuhr-dran-glauben/Video?bcastId=25304236&documentId=43580314 A 40 min. comedy show
http://mediathek.daserste.de/Anna-und-die-wilden-Tiere/Bunt-wie-ein-Wildhund/Video?bcastId=25014972&documentId=43603856 a kids show about animals
http://mediathek.daserste.de/Meister-des-Alltags/Sendung-vom-20-Juni-2017/Video?bcastId=38365194&documentId=43661986 a quiz show
http://mediathek.daserste.de/Die-Sendung-mit-der-Maus/Die-Sendung-mit-der-Maus-vom-18-06-2017/Video?bcastId=1458&documentId=43620962 Die Sendung mit der Maus a popular kids show

I you want to watch them with subtitles simply click on the UT-Symbol in the bottom right corner of the video player

In Die Sendung mit der Maus the subtitles strangely begins only after 1 minute in the video

[heavy horizon]

If someone want's to learn german with the most popular lets play series in germany, from the most popular video maker in germany. But don't worry you'll never run out of videos, there are enough of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM52HxaLK-Y&list=PLNHEY22noQlmE3CZ9DAMhHm7q6L5JcqB2
I personally recommend them to everyone, who needs to improve they listening abilities

[ashen flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdeUwPFB02Y

[trim depot]

this guy is really good as well, his g-mod series is hilarious, i definetly recommend him 😃 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc0Z0rhgA56KMk9Hx_L5RMQ

[tight laurel]

Is any of the free courses in the wiki a good one? Minus Duolingo because I don't like the format >_<

They talk about memrise, which I know (although I use Anki), Deutsche Welle, Ich Will Deutsch Lernen, GLOSS, etc

[vivid meteor]

does anyone have that link for the list of all the language discords?

[sudden frost]

This is a Podcast I listen to that's both short, helpful and easy to review.

https://soundcloud.com/radiolingua/sets/coffee-break-german

[snow pulsar]

Coffee Break German is pretty great, except I already ran out of episodes XD

[cedar light]

Are there any good memrise or something similar courses with german words sorted by commonness?

[open girder]

there's a 5000+ words sorted by frequency on Memrise

I also made a course just for verbs, which are sorted by frequency, from subtitles from movies and films if you'd be interested in that

[cedar light]

I just need some basic vocabulary, I don't think mine's very large right now

What's that one called?

[open girder]

The one with tons of words is this one: https://www.memrise.com/course/920/5000-german-words-top-87/

This one is in alphabetical order, there are two more which are by frequency and by something I forget. All require you to give the plural ending for nouns, n-declension for masculine nouns (when required) and the past tense forms for strong verbs

So it can be rather pedantic and the vocab it gives can be a bit, let's say, strange

https://www.memrise.com/course/1552402/500-verbs-sorted-by-frequency-from-tv/

This is my one with only verbs. All you need to enter is the verb but I show the past tense forms for strong verbs too, which you can also enter if you so wish.

[cedar light]

hm

[open girder]

there's other random vocab memrise courses but you'd need to search for what you're after in particular

[cedar light]

Do you have the one like the first one, but sortet by frequency?

[open girder]

I'll have a look for it, one sec

This looks like it: https://www.memrise.com/course/47049/5000-words-top-87-sorted-by-frequency/

You can probably skip/ignore a lot of the initial ones

[cedar light]

ah thanks a lot

[open girder]

keino problemo

[cedar light]

our names are very easy to mix up lol

[red breach]

@open girder Woher kommen Sie

oh ok

[open girder]

?

and yeah but at least our images are different

[mighty onyx]

This is really useful @open girder ! Thanks

[dark lake]

How do you guys like to set up your flash cards? Super specialized decks. or do you do more general collections?

[warm lagoon]

yo folks, im coming to the end of a beginners german course and i have several weeks of super beginner-y level powerpoint presentations and homework. would there be much interest in these resources for anyone here, and if so any recommendations on places to upload/share em? cheers

[limpid gull]

Can you upload to Google Slides or Drive?

[tight laurel]

Hm, Drive?

Yeah

[limpid gull]

I would love them

[tight laurel]

Yeah, I am A1.1 right now and I would totally thank u for them

like

@warm lagoon thank u

u know D:

[limpid gull]

Ja, vielen dank!

[warm lagoon]

sure, i'll have a poke around google drive!

[warm lagoon]

yo folks, here they are: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxxYTdJqxU-3aXJfY1p1VndKcWc

i have a few more weeks left but yep. there u go!

[limpid gull]

Danke, @warm lagoon

[tight laurel]

Thank you!!

[dark lake]

Danke @warm lagoon !

[sudden forum]

Pretty sure it's illegal to distribute those pdfs

Might wanna take it down

[carmine canopy]

It is?

[sudden forum]

Unless you're Mrs Rowling herself

[carmine canopy]

There you go 😆

[sudden forum]

I guess it wouldn't be to much of a problem, but I wouldn't want you to get in trouble because of that

[carmine canopy]

No that is right, found it open sourced tho 😯

Gonna get it from library, so waiting for that version myself 😅

[sudden forum]

Maybe I'm just overcautious

[carmine canopy]

Rather safe than sorry

[carmine canopy]

The book itself is opensourced by the archive.org community

https://archive.org/details/01HarryPotterUndDerSteinDerWeisen

[sudden forum]

Shows how much I know

[carmine canopy]

Should I post it again! 😂

@sudden forum well I know you ment it in a good way 😇

You could, although I already posted a version of it

You did? 😅 whoops

Hehe

Should I post this version again?

Here it is anyways

[carmine canopy]

Awesome, thanks everyone 👌

[strange nebula]

Does anyone have good resources for declinations? I'm not 100% settled on it

[open girder]

If you mean adjective declensions, I usually refer to this when I am unsure: http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/adjectives/adjective-declensions/

[strange nebula]

Super awesome, that's exactly what I need

I always feel like other English speakers learn German faster/different than I do, then I see these guides "for English speakers" and they just explain everything I had trouble with

[dense laurel]

German is taught alot over the us and could be that

[strange nebula]

I'm referring to English and Australian mostly

[dense laurel]

Ah

[wispy radish]

That is very useful @open girder . I was just wondering about that and I didn't know how to call it.

[misty valve]

Grimm Märchen http://www.gasl.org/refbib/Grimm__Maerchen.pdf

[carmine canopy]

just going to paste this hear because it has some awesome notes on grammar

http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/

[tight laurel]

great resource!!!

[slow flume]

Www.lingq.com

[heavy horizon]

They only provide paid services

[upbeat arrow]

Does anyone here use Anki?

How do I flip my cards

Its english on the front and I want it to be German on the front

[unique ledge]

I'm pretty sure Anki tests you on both sides, but have you checked the settings? 🤔

[upbeat arrow]

Yeah the settings are the most convoluted shit I've ever seen in my life

I've googled it and still can't figure it out

[unique ledge]

I don't use Anki, sorry .-.

[sleek holly]

What deck is it?

[upbeat arrow]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/653061995

I tried repositioning the fields, and using the flip option in the deck

none of them worked, I'm guessing theres some errors in the parsing if you try to flip it from all the info in the deck itself

[upbeat arrow]

Ok so I figured it out if anyone else is wondering
You select the deck, hit browse under the toolbar in the middle, click Add in the new window, click the Cards button, then you have to actually delete the English -> German deck with the red X

very dumb method to do this

[carmine canopy]

hello everyone, been a long while since I've been here. I made this test to keep me fresh on the article endings/cases, thought you all may like it as well: https://testmoz.com/1315521#student

[swift wigeon]

@carmine canopy :O ur back

[rare rapids]

Any website for grammar exercises, need to practice on a few verbs.

[unique ledge]

https://german.net/

[sand marten]

schnell! Gibt mir etwas C1+ zu lesen! 💦

[sudden forum]

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/

[umbral owl]

Vielleicht sollte man hiermit anfangen: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/

[sand marten]

🤔

[umbral owl]

@sand marten http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/buch/die-verwandlung-165/1

[sand marten]

gibt es etwas im Internet mit zweisprachige Bücher, die auch kostenlos sind?

[umbral owl]

http://paralleltext.io/

[sand marten]

wenn ich das erst gefunden habe, war es noch sehr klein und es gab gar nicht so viele Bücher. Glücklicherweise, ist es nicht mehr so. :)

[sleek holly]

wenn 👀

[umbral owl]

*Als. ^^

[sleek holly]

Fokkenell Casca, you're not Berzi.

[umbral owl]

Sorry. 😦

[sand marten]

.<

[wispy radish]

Hallo Leute. I made a Playlist in Spotify of music in German. I think that using music helps a lot while learning a language. If anyone wants to check it out, here's the link: https://open.spotify.com/user/12141559977/playlist/7FNue8QUJwy4cFbsmhaHPM

I've included many genres, even if they're not of my preference. I just want to check the lyrics out. I think it's all in Hochdeutsch, but I can't be sure.

[rare rapids]

Is there any android app for grammar?. Verbs with tenses etc.

Found one "German Verb Conjugator"

[round anvil]

Is it good ?

[rare rapids]

Has all tenses (i think) and good database of verbs. Try it it is free.

Using it right now :)

[carmine canopy]

https://courseware.nus.edu.sg/e-daf/kimdh/Elementary German I/Einheit7/Grammar_Negation.htm

Is that reliable? If so it's very clear.

[warm lagoon]

in case anyone liked em, finally got round to uploading final two powerpoint presentations and homeworks from my beginners course. they here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxxYTdJqxU-3aXJfY1p1VndKcWc

[carmine canopy]

@half maple @sleek holly Can i post here an invite link to a new Memrise & Duolingo discord server? Is it allowed?

You can post one

[smoky hinge]

I found this free e-books download site http://zulu-ebooks.com/

I haven't opened the books yet, but I've already downloaded all 51 of the Children's Book list and a few other literaturbooks. Maybe it can be added to the #resources ? @half maple

[tight laurel]

@smoky hinge amazing resource, thank you for that 😃

[sleek holly]

Ooh fancy, thanks. I'll add it. 😄

[sand marten]

downloaded an ebook about learning methods or something. Will take a look 🤔

[sleek holly]

Added stuff. Once again, thanks for your submissions. ❤

[fallow creek]

@smoky hinge you're the real mvp, these pdf's are really good

[tidal thicket]

Make It Stick is a book about learning methods

[trim depot]

Wo kann ich Harry Potter finden?

(in Deutsch, natürlich 😂)

[unique ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240524318512119810/330366561305231360/01_-_Harry_Potter_und_der_Stein_der_Weisen.pdf

[plush orchid]

Kennt jemand Internetseiten mit deutsche Sprechende Uebungen?

[heavy horizon]

https://deutschlernerblog.de/hoerverstehen-deutsch-uebungen-zum-hoerverstehen-a1-bis-c2/
Vielleicht hilft das.

[clear jacinth]

Kennt jemand Text mit Niveau B2?

[night star]

http://www.pasch-net.de/de/pas/cls/sch/jus/mus.html

[open girder]

@clear jacinth http://www.dw.com/search/?languageCode=de&item=B2&searchNavigationId=2055&sort=RELEVANCE&resultsCounter=10

[clear jacinth]

Dankeschön!

[misty valve]

@civic owl http://www.mercaba.org/SANLUIS/IDIOMAS/Alemán/Modern german grammar.pdf

[carmine canopy]

Does anyone perhaps have a resource for learning the different cases? Or some practice, even ? I find that it's probably one of the things I stuggle with most

I understand like the text book definition of like direct object, indirect object, etc., but have a hard time identifying them in the sentence /:

[open girder]

@carmine canopy Tried this? The rest of the cases are on the column on the right

https://www.rocketlanguages.com/german/lessons/german-nominative

[sand marten]

on the italian learning server someone experimented with dr. Arthur Aron's so called "questions to fall in love", which provide way better conversation prompts than anything else I've seen so far. They get increasingly personal, so one might want to skip some, but regardless, here they are translated in German:
http://www.doktor-loder.ch/Praxishomepage/Gesundheits-Infos_files/36 Fragen - the love project.pdf
on the italian server we were more than 2 and the questions were asked by a native to various learners in turn, but these are originally thought to be used for a one on one situation

[carmine canopy]

@open girder Thank you so much!

[misty valve]

http://www.hplovecraft.de/index.php?id=werke

[heavy horizon]

Kids news websites for practise:
http://www.kindersache.de/bereiche/schon-gewusst/kindernachrichten
http://www.duda.news/
https://www.mitmischen.de/diskutieren/nachrichten/index.jsp (only politics)

[silver haven]

Wo kann ich Web Comic finden? Deutsche Comic bitte! 😄

[misty valve]

German Webcomic directory: http://www.webcomic-verzeichnis.de/

[jolly valve]

Any recommendations for German TV shows?

[sleek holly]

@willow cypress ^

[willow cypress]

Die 1️⃣6️⃣-jährige Lena Schneider ✂ 👕 wohnt 🏠 mit ihrem Bruder 👨🏻 Nils und ihrer Mutter Doris 👩🏻 , einer Therapeutin 🏥, zusammen. Doris verliebt ❤️ sich in den türkischen 🇹🇷 Kommissar 🚔 Metin Öztürk, und die beiden beschließen 🚪 zusammenzuziehen 🏡 💑 . Das bedeutet für Lena, dass sie mit ihren neuen Geschwistern 👨🏾 👩🏾 Cem, einem klischeehaften Macho 🤠 😎, und Yağmur 🌧☔, einer strenggläubigen ☪ Muslimin 🕌 , zurechtkommen muss. Ihre Probleme 🇹🇷 bespricht 👅 sie zunächst nur per Videobotschaft 📹 mit ihrer Freundin Kathi 🙎🏻 , die für ein Jahr 📆 an einem Schüleraustausch 🏫 in den USA 🇺🇸 teilnimmt. Im Laufe 🏃🏻 der Zeit ⏰ freundet sich Lena mit ihrer neuen Familie 👨‍👩‍👦‍👦 an. In der Serie 📺 geht es jedoch hauptsächlich um Lena, die mit ihrem Sarkasmus 😏 , ihrer pessimistischen 😫😱 Einstellung und ihrem Humor 😂 hervorsticht.

@jolly valve

[jolly valve]

Thanks that's quite a big list lol

[sand marten]

nah it's just one shitty, mildly racist show called Türkisch für Anfänger

[jolly valve]

Oh haha my bad I thought that was a list of shows

[sand marten]

it's not your bad, it's his :P

[jolly valve]

Still I'll check it out

[sleek holly]

Success!

[unkempt sinew]

@jolly valve usually "Der Tatortreiniger" and "Deutschland 83" are recommended but i have not watched those
"Stromberg" is the german version of "The Office", but i have heard varying things about it

[jolly valve]

I've already watched Deutschland 83

But I'll look the other two up

Thanks

[open girder]

does anyone know any good German podcasts about history?

[heavy horizon]

through google i just found those two. Maybe it helps
http://www.zeitsprung.fm/
http://www.br.de/radio/bayern2/wissen/radiowissen/geschichte/radiowissen-geschichte-verteilseite100.html

[open girder]

thanks

[unkempt sinew]

http://www1.wdr.de/mediathek/audio/zeitzeichen/index.html

my teacher used this one in class sometimes

[smoky hinge]

Found a good website that explains the difference between certain similar words, like between kleiden, verkleiden and umkleiden

http://germanskills.wixsite.com/fehler/blog

[hexed glacier]

hat jemand das buch von ihr? empfiehlt jemand das buch von ihr zu kaufen?

[crisp pine]

wer moechtet mit mir dieses Buch lesen?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qrbvuyl5hfkhocc/Die Raeuber.pdf?dl=0

[slow flume]

lingq.com

[carmine canopy]

Ich habe gerade eine neue Website gefunden, die sehr gut scheint

https://deutschlernerblog.de/

[crisp pine]

http://language.ws/category/german/

books in german! you can download them in pdf

[crisp pine]

i've found aweosme books there.. since A1 to C1

most of the books have got their own audio files

[misty valve]

Here is a guide I wrote that's intended to help people learn and memorize noun and adjective declension. Let me know if there are any issues.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit?usp=sharing

[meager osprey]

https://youtu.be/860iS6T_2Bw

[carmine canopy]

@crisp pine ich habe Lust auf diesem Buch zu lesen

Ich suche neulich für einem Buch zu lesen.

....um mein Deutsch zu üben.

[crisp pine]

welches Buch?

ich habe ein neues angefangen und es ist nicht schwerig, glaube ich

@carmine canopy woher kommst du?

[carmine canopy]

Ok interessant.

Ich komme aus USA

[crisp pine]

ah ok 😄

[carmine canopy]

Ich habe dein Upload auf Dropbox gesehen.

Der Räuber.

[crisp pine]

ich werde jetzt das Link des Buches schicken 😄

[carmine canopy]

Toll

[crisp pine]

wie ist dein deutsches niveau?

[carmine canopy]

Eine Jahre vor habe ich von Uni gestaffelt. Deutsch war mein Nebenfach. Ich glaube meine Niveau ist B1

[crisp pine]

ok 😄 versuchst das Buch, welches ich dir schiken werde und sag mir, wenn das Buch einfach fuer dich ist 😄 hahaha ( sorry my german is not good at all Hahahahah )

[carmine canopy]

Some people on the general channel are talking about a book club.

Perhaps I'll suggest der Räuber.

[umbral owl]

*Die Räuber. ^^

[crisp pine]

@carmine canopy here is the link

https://www.dropbox.com/preview/sophie scholl.rar?role=personal

[carmine canopy]

I thought this was interesting / helpful mnemonic: http://german-learning-easy.com/grammar/tekamolo-the-rule-for-german-sentence-structure/

[carmine canopy]

Der Link ist kaputt

@crisp pine

[crisp pine]

mm thats weird mate!

is not kaputt

versuch 😄

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ye2nnkj0hqhmv9l/sophie scholl.rar?dl=0

@carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

ah es klingt!

ganz gut

danke schön

[crisp pine]

@everyone book above 😄

[carmine canopy]

you just messaged probably 2000 people with that lol

[brazen lantern]

nope

that does not work, pinging everyone is disabled

[carmine canopy]

smart 👍

[brazen lantern]

at least not for us 😉

[umbral owl]

^

[crisp pine]

Oh. Damn 😭

I wanted that pppl here could have those books

[hexed glacier]

ye dude the book u found is cool thanks ping when you find more

[crisp pine]

Did the everyone ping worked for you?

[sand marten]

it's disabled, it doesn't work for anyone

luckily

[umbral owl]

As Zwitschi said, it's only enabled for moderators.

[sand marten]

you're not just anyone 😗

[hexed glacier]

eyy ich frage die Deutsche Leute die hier sind, gibt es ne gute Serie dass man Deu lernen und gucken kann

[brazen lantern]

die 16-jährige...? oh nein, damit fange ich nicht an

[hexed glacier]

@brazen lantern hab dich nicht verstanden 😦

[brazen lantern]

nvm... ich kenne leider nur schlechte deutsche Serien (die meine Frau schaut)... es gibt dutzende deutsche "Telenovelas"

Tatortreiniger @hexed glacier

[heavy horizon]

"Mord mit Aussicht" ist auch verdammt gut

ist das gleiche genre wie tatortreiniger

[sand marten]

😩 jeder empfiehlt immer der Tatortreiniger

[hexed glacier]

ok lass mich überprüfen , ich denke , es wird gut

[brazen lantern]

Derrick 😄

[hexed glacier]

wer hat das gelöscht? lol

ich hab ne website geteilt und denke es wurde von jemandem gelöscht

[heavy horizon]

b**g ss ist in Deutschland strickt verboten

[umbral owl]

^

[hexed glacier]

oh why

[umbral owl]

I removed it for the reason André mentioned.

[hexed glacier]

aber es ist sehr nutzlich für Deutsch lerner das macht kein sinn

[umbral owl]

Das Gesetz ist leider das Gesetz. Dies gilt auch für alle Mitgliedsstaaten der EU, wenn ich mich nicht irre.

[hexed glacier]

hmm verstanden.

[sand marten]

[...]
[---] offers, acting like a search engine, only links to files and not the files themself, this is the reason why the owners of this website are not responsible and according to Teleservices Act also can not be held liable.```

so sagen sie 🤔

[umbral owl]

Grey area, then. I'd still advise against the use of the site.

[hexed glacier]

könnt ihr sie auch nicht mit VPN schauen?

[sand marten]

mit VPN kann man ja theoretisch(?) alles tun

[umbral owl]

Das ist wahr, ist aber auch verboten.

[sand marten]

das ist aber praktisch irrelevant, wenn sie dich nicht verfolgen können

[hexed glacier]

wahrscheinlich braucht man ihnen nicht in Deutschland weil alles das Deutsch sind 😄

entschuldigung btw , ich sollte sagen bevor ich diese seite geteilt habe

ich hoffe dass niemand das geklickt hat 😄

[umbral owl]

You weren't aware, so I don't blame you. Thanks for understanding that my hands are tied. ^^

[brazen lantern]

ich klicke immer alles!

[hexed glacier]

ich hab gehört dass Torrent und solche programmen verboten sind aber wusste nicht dass einige webseite auch verboten sind

@brazen lantern wegen mir , wirds du im Gefängnis sein =<

[heavy horizon]

Die Seite ist in Europa nicht direkt verboten, aber die Streamingplattformen, die auf der Seite vertreten, bzw. verlinkt sind und das reine Gucken der Streams seit neustem ist eindeutig verboten.

[brazen lantern]

ach wie gut dass Schweiz

[hexed glacier]

Gute Nacht mates bis dann!

[heavy horizon]

Gut' Nacht

[crisp pine]

@hexed glacier heyy ive got the series for you

[hexed glacier]

shoot it bro let me check that

[crisp pine]

@hexed glacier its really silly but its good for learning 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOEPADpap_A

and the blondie is hot as hell 😄

[carmine canopy]

Not really...

[crisp pine]

Hahahahahahhahaha

Not really what? The show or the blondie?

[hexed glacier]

i think he says that to blondie

[umbral owl]

Hier eine Liste aller deutscher Verben, wobei jedes Verb auch mit der dazugehörigen Konjugation verlinkt ist:
https://www.verblisten.de/listen/verben/anfangsbuchstabe/vollstaendig.html

[alpine badge]

@umbral owl i love you

[crisp pine]

Leute. Ein buch fuer euch!

It is about germanic Myth if you like that topic :3

ive got the audio files aswell if you are interested

[hexed glacier]

hell damn how do you find these stuff man seeehr nützlich

[brazen lantern]

russian webpages offer some interesting stuff sometimes 🙄

[hexed glacier]

stuffs about what sir?

worüber?

[brazen lantern]

zum Beispiel ganze Lehrbücher für Deutsch...

... oder so etwas wie @crisp pine gefunden hat 😉

[crisp pine]

@brazen lantern kannst du mit uns die webseite teilen?

[brazen lantern]

die Frage war an dich: wo hast du das Nibelungenlied gefunden?

[crisp pine]

http://www.dw.com/de/alles-unter-einen-hut-bringen/l-19399823?maca=dk-Facebook-dwde

in eine versteckt webseit hahaha

einer*

[granite shell]

http://www.grammatiktraining.de/

[misty valve]

Nice site.

[misty valve]

A website that has German listening and reading and radio (sbs is a network for Australian and world news and culture and education). http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/german?language=de

And the same in other languages: http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/

[carmine canopy]

Nico der Volunteer mit deutschen untertiteln
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lk9rS7n-4Q&list=PLq0sxgS3gD9D3iNoMH2lLXB6wx18Xgwi8

[open girder]

A German singer who covers many songs originally sung in German, including ones that were sung incomprehensibly by some Japanese singers: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZruXl3NGG2CML_ANCYBqMg

[fallow creek]

@open girder omg this is so good

she is amazing

[viscid quartz]

@carmine canopy I love how even in the series Germans look angry when they have to repeat themselves 😂

[hexed glacier]

dude the intro music is so fucking scary , that terrifies me all the time

[carmine canopy]

dumping some cheat sheets that I use regularly, (would also love to have more -- if you have some that you use please post :D)

[green osprey]

I found this the other day and it really helped with adjectives

[carmine canopy]

i've seen that before but its sort of hard to understand for me

[green osprey]

same

But yeah it's easier for me to memorize the process of a flow chart than it is to memorize endings

[carmine canopy]

i think I already have the endings down so reading the chart is just confusing me haha

[sand marten]

the "article in original form" might be the cause, since it's not clear what is meant by that.

[misty valve]

"Der-word ending" is also kind of weird.

[umbral owl]

#questions also has some pinned messages. Check them out if you haven't yet. 😃

[green osprey]

OMG thanks!

[carmine canopy]

how about a nice chart of common irregular verbs in Präteritum?

like sah and ging

[reef pendant]

For verb charts, I use the android app "German Verbs"

not sure if it's on ios or if they have anything like an equivalent web app, but it's definitely a great companion to the dict.cc app

I also wanted to mention www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr as a resource for both exercises and explanations.

their explanation of prepositions has been particularly helpful www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/Grammatik/Praepositionen/Prepositions.html

[green osprey]

wat

[sleek holly]

Are you sure that that's what it is? 😛

[green osprey]

^

[sleek holly]

http://i.imgur.com/8H5uw5D.png

[green osprey]

^

[indigo junco]

LMAO

[green osprey]

looks like piracy but downloads

[vocal walrus]

The Frick is a nip nip

[green osprey]

^

[wild light]

http://wwitv.com/television/81.htm

Live TV from Germany.

[rare rapids]

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/21i0y4/here_are_about_18_gbs_of_resources_for_learning/
That's a thread full of useful links, I don't know if you guys know it/if this is the original subreddit for the discord server but just wanted to share

[sand marten]

the original subreddit is /r/german, but the server has grown enough that it's not helpful to think of the server as an emanation of it any more

[rare rapids]

I see. Anyway, the link's there if anyone haven't seen it before

[round anvil]

I've found this to be rather effective : http://www.memrise.com/course/16768/german-case-2/

[viscid quartz]

I think courses for reading German provide a good balance between grammar and structured progression.

Here are a couple of them that I've tried and recommend:

https://www.amazon.com/German-Quickly-Grammar-American-University/dp/0820467596/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1504704095&sr=1-1&keywords=german+quickly

What was the other one again... hum....

https://www.amazon.com/German-Review-Lehrbuch-deutschen-Grammatik/dp/047042429X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1504704355&sr=1-1&keywords=german+in+review

And this one, which I really love but it's a tiny bit more advanced:

https://www.amazon.com/Deutsche-Wiederholungsgrammatik-Morpho-Syntactic-Review-German/dp/0300124686/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1504704401&sr=1-1&keywords=german+wiederholungsgrammatik

[spark dew]

Wow, that first one is expensive at $40.

[viscid quartz]

None of them is cheap, but you can find them cheaper on second-hand bookstores

You can search for them on abebooks.com

[spark dew]

Oh, when you had mentioned second-hand bookstores I thought you meant actual stores. I didn't know there's online versions of them.

[viscid quartz]

There are meta-searches that search through many actual stores

And you can order online

abebooks is the biggest I know of

[brazen lantern]

https://www.overdrive.com/subjects/foreign-language-study?autoLibrary=t&autoRegion=t&f-languages=de as mentioned with a library card you can look up if your library has a certain book and if not check if they would order it, also many ebooks and audio available

[viscid quartz]

@brazen lantern I had never seen this website before

I'll see if any library nearby has access to it, although I doubt it 😦

[spark dew]

So, I've been searching off and on throughout yesterday & today for a "course book", I've even started phrasing it differently with "chronological order" and still haven't found one. Do they even exist....?

[opaque fulcrum]

i think Goethe-Institut has a book called uh

studio d

Deutsch als Fremdsprache

[spark wasp]

that's a decent book

[spark dew]

Is 'Deutsch als Fremdsprache' free or does it cost something? If it does cost something, do they accept mail in payments?

Or is the book called Studio d?

[viscid quartz]

If Studio d is used in the Goethe-Institut, it's probably written in German and not suited for self-study

[covert timber]

@spark dew Did you try the Michel Thomas course?
DW website has some courses in English that should get you to B1

DW courses are completely free.

http://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469

[viscid quartz]

Yes I like DW a lot

[covert timber]

Which do you prefer there?

[viscid quartz]

I'm not sure, I subscribe to a podcast called DW - Learn German that posts something different every day

I've listened to Deutsch - Warum nicht? as well, but that was some time ago.

[covert timber]

Did you finish Warum nicht?

[viscid quartz]

Hummm I've listened to it for quite a long time

I don't think I finished it though, but certainly went through most of it

[covert timber]

I think I've stopped halfway through part 2.

[viscid quartz]

How did you like it

[covert timber]

It was fine.

Too long though

[spark dew]

@covert timber Can't afford the Michel Thomas courses. I printed me off quite a few pages of the A1-A2 courses on DW's website, and that one website I had found the other day; I printed off all 4 books worth. It seems to be helping in a guideline so far.

^ Been working on the printed sheets literally for about 7 hours now. It's really helpful. Definitely beats working on vocabulary all day.

[cinder python]

What website was that?

[spark dew]

This one > http://www.german-latin-english.com/Germain_alt.htm

[covert timber]

Thanks a lot @spark dew

[viscid quartz]

Yeah this website seems to be solid 😄 Cool

[jovial saddle]

The table is missing etwas anlegen (to create) and sich mit jemandem anlegen (to mess with sb.)

[spark wasp]

what's with the "weak" and "strong" verbs?

[unkempt sinew]

it is something used to distinguish two types of verb conjugation patterns

strong verbs have a vowel change in the stem (s__i__ng -> s__a__ng) and the participle II is a bit different

[umbral owl]

What beautiful handwriting. ❤

[unkempt sinew]

that would make a good font

[umbral owl]

^

Comic Mitch > Comic Sans.

[carmine canopy]

I don't think it looks that great tbh, but thanks guys

[wispy jolt]

Out of all the books in the resources list, would you guys say that "Schenke and Seago - Basic German" is the best physical book to buy for a beginner? (I'm going to buy just one learning book that way I can learn in school because some of my classes don't allow phones)

[viscid quartz]

I don't know if it's the "the best book", but it's a pretty good book yes 😄

To my mind at least

Plus, if you like it, you can carry on with intermediate german by the same authors

It's made with independent learners in mind and has several exercises included

So even if your classes aren't that good you'll be able to learn a lot from it

I've always learnt more from books than from classes to be honest

[wispy jolt]

Genau 😄

[brazen lantern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/German/wiki/music

[fair valve]

https://iono.fm/p/212

[umbral owl]

@carmine canopy 3. Die Suppe *kochte.

Die Suppe gekocht is not a correct sentence on its own.

[carmine canopy]

Okay that's true, but it's correct in logic :|

I should have used a longer sentence

[umbral owl]

^^

[sand marten]

I think most of the non-dative ones are generally informal

[unkempt sinew]

Yes, i would not use the ones ending in -s in formal writing.

[sand marten]

some I never ever heard even

like durchs or übers

[unkempt sinew]

Jesus ging übers Meer.
Moses ging durchs Meer.

[sand marten]

du gingst durchs Meer? :o

(sorry)

[unkempt sinew]

Ja, mit meinem großen Stab

[sand marten]

basically add an umlaut to the präteritum form if you can ¯_(ツ)_/¯

(note: only works for strong verbs I think 🤔 )

[carmine canopy]

otherwise:

post any good cheat sheets you have Leute!

Damn, have fun with that

👍 I am

[heavy horizon]

That's probably gonna be a huge chart, when it's done

[split granite]

do the work in google docs so we can access it while you working on it 😏 😏

[carmine canopy]

I've been organizing them in google keep

[covert timber]

@carmine canopy I appreciate your efforts, tolle Mann. 😃

[indigo junco]

sein is irregular

[carmine canopy]

@indigo junco well yeah, it is everywhere, but in Konj I its the only irregular verb.

[indigo junco]

Hoyl lol

[carmine canopy]

All other verbs, even haben and the modal verbs, are regular (in Konjunktiv I)

[indigo junco]

oooh oki dokie

[unkempt sinew]

wait, where did you get the claim that you were not supposed to use the würde-Form with the last few verbs?

ah wait

i misunderstood what you meant there

[carmine canopy]

@unkempt sinew ?

am I wrong?

only in the special cases, where they use the old-german form

rather than the infinitive

[unkempt sinew]

You should not say "Ich würde das gäbe" or "Ich würde das bräuchte" but it is perfectly fine (or even more common) to use "Ich würde das geben" or "Ich würde das geben"

[carmine canopy]

right right

i think we're in agreeance

i need to redit the chart anyway, I forgot to add the different tenses

plusquam / futur i / futur ii

@unkempt sinew wait, isn't it still more correct to say "ich gäbe das" rather than "ich würde das geben"?

[unkempt sinew]

Well, you will hear the würde-Form a lot in spoken language, but in written form, you should use the K2 if possible

[carmine canopy]

👌 got it

@unkempt sinew is there a K2 form for perfekt / (vergangenheit)?

or does that logically not make any sense

[unkempt sinew]

Beispiel: machen

Indikativ Vergangenheit (3 Formen)
Präteritum: ich machte
Perfekt: ich habe gemacht
Plusquamperfekt: ich hatte gemacht

Konjunktiv II Vergangenheit:
ich hätte gemacht (1 Form)

you turn the haben/sein of the Perfekt into K2

http://www.deutschegrammatik20.de/konjunktiv/konjunktiv-ii-vergangenheit/

[carmine canopy]

what would "ich hätte gemacht" translate to ?

in K2

[unkempt sinew]

i would have done/made

[carmine canopy]

man I feel like this is extremely simple but I'm just not "getting" it