questions

[unkempt thunder]

What does geht mean in general

I used gt but it says goes

[astral yoke]

You could compare:
Mir geht es gut <-> Es geht mir gut
The first has a tad more emphasis on mir
the 2nd would be the 'normal' word order

[unkempt thunder]

What does the emphasis provide? Like when replying to someone?

[astral yoke]

If you try to literally translate it (which you normally shouldn't)
It goes well for me -> but it means: I'm fine/doing good....

[unkempt thunder]

Oh okay

[astral yoke]

Replying to Wie geht's (how are you?)
You could answer:
Mir geht es gut, aber mein Freund ist krank

[unkempt thunder]

👌👍

[unkempt thunder]

So when asked about you you put emphasis on yourself, but in general you dont… id this how it is?

[astral yoke]

You would put the emphasis on you to express that there's also others imho

[unkempt thunder]

Ok..

[shy geyser]

do the things i circle me in blue mean like 1 person is talking then someone else is talking in the next sentence?

[winter mango]

probably, it depends on the exercise/book

[winter kayak]

yes

[frigid tinsel]

Be sure to do the listening .mp3 exercises too!

I've found them very very useful.

Its excellent Listening + Speaking back practice.

[jovial remnant]

What does Strecke mean in "auf der Strecke bleiben"?

Das Einzige, was bei unserer Lebensplanung vielleicht etwas auf der Strecke geblieben ist: Wir haben unsere Zweisamkeit ein bisschen vernachlässigt, aber genauso wollten wir es ja

This one is particularly confusing for me because Strecke means route and "auf der Strecke bleiben" sounds almost like "en route" but the actual meaning is totally different

[sleek pebble]

literally „stretch,“ but also „lane“ or „path“ or „route“ or „distance“ — it is often used to mean the route from A to B, not just the distance, but the actual physical way, especially in relation to cars and navigation.
your sentence is more metaphorical, but the idea is the same. „auf der Strecke bleiben“ is a very common idiom that means „to be left behind“ — so getting lost or stuck along the way. the keyword here is „bleiben,“ so never reaching the destination, but rather staying en route. the idiom is often used to describe neglection.
the sentence is saying that in the planning of their lives, they neglected being together one on one.

Wenn etwas auf der Strecke bleibt, wird es zurückgelassen, kommt nicht voran und erreicht nicht den Stand derjenigen Dinge, die nicht auf der Strecke geblieben, sondern vorangekommen sind.

[jovial remnant]

It makes perfect sense now thanks a lot 🙂

[sleek pebble]

🫡

[warped heart]

Hallo. Does “Bild” mean picture or painting? Or does it go for both?

[frank falcon]

Bild works for both

[warped heart]

Danke

[vocal zinc]

Wir haben unsere Zweisamkeit ein bisschen vernachlaessigt sehr schön

Wo hast du die gesehen

oh das kommt aus einer frau die frakau ludowig heißt?

ist aber poetisch finde ich es so

[astral yoke]

... von einer Frau, ...
oder
aus der Feder einer Frau (a bit more elevated -> imagine the feather for writing with actual ink)

[vocal zinc]

I was so in between

Thanks

[jovial remnant]

bei dwds.de

[shy geyser]

how am to go about which form of pronoun to use? the sentence is „Nein, danke, ich möchte keinen Kuchen. Möchtest ___, Mario?“

[glacial crag]

the conjugation reveals it

[astral yoke]

Möchtest du welchen
or Möchtest du einen would be possible here

[plush locust]

don't make it wayyy more complicated than the problem is intended to be

(and "welchen" is not possible)

(I slammed that one out intuitively and am prepared to suffer the consequences 😄 )

My argument would be "textbook problem setting assumes certain things"

[astral yoke]

Was meinst Du damit????
Ich will keinen Kaffee. Mochtest Du welchen, Mario? -> das wäre eine normale Antwort die DURCHAUS möglich ist 🤨

[indigo bear]

Do you mean that "Möchtest du, Mario?" would be a normal way to phrase it?

[plush locust]

Aber ich lese dies als eine kurze Auslassung, und Lehrbücher würden dir hier "Möchtest Du ___, Mario?" vorgeben

[plush locust]

I presume based on what's ellided that this is the question at hand

[astral yoke]

Dann ist es schade für Lehrbücher, dass sie keine 'normalen' Gespräche wiedergeben sondern nur gekürzte Simulationen 🤯

[indigo bear]

But is that a correct or normal way to speak?

[plush locust]

Ich bin kein Freund von diesen Aufgaben, wo man nur etwas einfügen muss.

[sleek pebble]

yes

[plush locust]

Ja.

[indigo bear]

Danke.

[astral yoke]

Ohne zu spezifizieren was man möchte??? Ehrlich?

[plush locust]

"Ich möchte keinen Kuchen. Du?"

[astral yoke]

Sorry, ich bin da anderer Meinung!

[indigo bear]

That's different. The specific structure here is:

"Ich möchte keinen Kuchen. Möchtest du?"

[sleek pebble]

ja

[astral yoke]

DAS war nicht das Beispiel!

[plush locust]

Das sind alles Varianten derselben Sprachhandlung.

[astral yoke]

Möchtest Du, Mario?

[plush locust]

Hier gibt es keine Regeln mehr, also geht es darum, was die Aufgabe voraussetzt.

[indigo bear]

Yeah but not all elliptical structures are equally possible. For example, "Möchtest?"

[plush locust]

Well, that makes no sense >_>

[astral yoke]

Offensichtlich löse ich zu wenige Aufgaben solcher Art und habe lieber Gespräche mit realen Personen 🤯 !

[plush locust]

("Und du?", wäre auch natürlicher als ganz simpel "Du?" zu sagen, aber beides ist möglich - ich wählte aber die maximale Verkürzung, um genau das zu zeigen. Nur geht ihr schon wieder zu weit weg vom eigentlichen Problem.)

[plush locust]

Ich mag auch Lehrbücher gar nicht, die auf diesen Lückenfüller-Aufgaben aufbauen. Ich finde, man lernt viel mehr, wenn man einfach einen Satz schreiben muss.

[indigo bear]

I'm just pointing out that you can't prove "Möchtest du?" is correct simply by showing that "Du?" is correct. They are separate shortenings that need to be confirmed separately since either could be correct while the other is false.

[plush locust]

Huh? Are you trying to ignore context???

[astral yoke]

DAS war nicht die Aufgabe, es galt etwas einzusetzen nachdem man selbst seinen Bedarf verneint hatte und das tut man mMn nicht mit: möchtest DU, Mario, sondern etwas ausführlicher 🤷‍♂️

[indigo bear]

That is not context though.

[torn shell]

Ich finde, das „Möchstest du einen, mario?“ am besten dazu passt und sehr natürlich klingt.

[plush locust]

ja

[tawny fractal]

Hä "Möchtest du, Mario?" Ist doch aber auch völlig normal

[plush locust]

da es um ein Pronomen geht

Aber warum steht da nicht "Möchtest du ___, Mario?"

[astral yoke]

mMn nicht 🤷‍♂️

[torn shell]

Natürlich! Aber durch das „einen“ wird besser hervorgerufen was man meint -> den Kuchen.

[indigo bear]

Because the question is which pronoun to use.

[tawny fractal]

Ja aber es geht hier um die Aufgabe 😂

[plush locust]

as I said three posts above

[tawny fractal]

Geht nicht darum was natürlicher klingt

[plush locust]

für manche

[torn shell]

Ja in so einer Aufgabe sollte man nur du einsetzen. Im täglichen gebrauch klingt es aber einfach natureller und besser.

[indigo bear]

Then I don't understand your question?

[torn shell]

Es gibt viele wege sowas zu sagen.

[tawny fractal]

Es geht hier um diese Aufgabe @torn shell ^^

[plush locust]

(because as I said that I will suffer the consequences, I will ignore other people): ja, Du hast recht.

[torn shell]

Genau, deswegen habe ich oben in meiner Naricht gesagt, das man in so einer Aufgabe nur „du“ einsetzen sollte.

[plush locust]

(at least without other context)

[tawny fractal]

Ahh ups, das hab ich übersehen

[torn shell]

Jedoch habe ich noch dazu einen tipp gegeben, wie es im sprachlichen gebrauch besser klingt. ^^

[torn shell]

Kein ding!

[orchid crown]

How is dresden city for living in apartment

[past portal]

Pretty simple question (I hope)
Could I say "In Malbun bin ich wandern gegangen" or would it make more sense to sinply say "In Malbun bin ich gewandert?"

[sleek pebble]

first is better

second one sounds like an uncompleted and possibly aimless action

[distant bay]

whats the best word for referring to trauma in terms of a society/city being traumatised after war? thank you 🙏

[astral yoke]

It's das Trauma, traumatisiert ...

[sleek pebble]

not sure but Ohnmacht and Erschütterung might also be words to describe the feeling

[astral yoke]

... der Schock, schockiert
die Angst, verängstigt

[distant bay]

thank you!!! this helps a tonne 😊

[dire ice]

Hallöchen! I have a question:
For the sentence „did David fly alone“ in German, should it be:
„war David allein geflogen“ or „ist David allein geflogen“?

[sleek pebble]

ist

war is possible but mostly only in a very specific scenario

[wintry goblet]

Hopefully simple question but that I can't seem to figure out on my own... what's the difference between Streiter and Kämpfer?

[blissful drift]

imo both are Warrior in English though

[sleek pebble]

Streiter is mostly used in medieval military contexts (although Streitkräfte is still a very common word to describe any armed forces), besides Wettstreiter (a contestant in a Wettstreit, a tournament or competition)
Kämpfer is any fighter

[sleek pebble]

i think warrior translates better to Krieger

[blissful drift]

stimmt... ich denke so auch

[wintry goblet]

danke!!

so how would that work in English for a documentary titled "Streiter heraus! Kämpfer hervor!"

If they're both the same

[blissful drift]

gern getan .. keine sorgen...

[wintry goblet]

🙁

[winter stream]

this is one of the big problems in translating of course. when a source plays with (near-)synonyms or uses a particular phrasing that you wouldn't use in another language

i suppose you could translate this as something like "come on ye fighters! forwards, warriors!"

it's a bit stilted and theatralic in german already, it's not something anyone (nowadays?) would actually say, it makes me imagine some sort of roman gladiator scene

[rapid quiver]

„ist David allein geflogen“ is the answer 🙂

[dire ice]

oh thanks！

[dire ice]

thanks！

[rapid quiver]

Hello. I am from Germany and am new here. Currently, I am learning the English language and am interested to see how other people learn my language (german) .....

[rapid quiver]

yw 🙂

[dire ice]

English is easier to learn as a german native speaker, but german is hard for English speaker lol

Especially the german grammar, it is much more complicated than English😭

[rapid quiver]

You are right!!!

der, die, das zum Beispiel gibt es im englischen nicht .... only the word the .....

[dire ice]

Exactly

[spiral axle]

to say “i just want to help you” would be “ich will einfach dir helfen”?

[rapid quiver]

**ich will dir einfach nur helfen **

[spiral axle]

does nur have to be in that sentence? also what would that sentence structure be?

like if you were to map it out

[rapid quiver]

du kannst es schreiben wie du magst ..... richtig ist auch: ich möchte dir helfen

I wish a nice day ... I am away now 🙂

[vocal zinc]

Ive been in Germany for 1.5 months and i have not seen a massive change at my german level in this timeline

Im between b1 and b2. Im mostly struggling with speaking and vocabulary and also some hearing. (takes me a second attempt to understand sometimes)

Do u guys think i should use books like Aspekte neu b2 (or any other one) etc

Or just consume german content like mrwissen2go and note the words i dont know, shadow speak like them

[sleek pebble]

you should both study and surround yourself with the language

what might feel like pressure, stress, and chut right now, will both go away and passively make you progress faster, but it’s not something you can observe as happening overnight from between one day and the other

just take it easy but do your work

throw yourself out there

[dire ice]

Watching tv shows in german helps a lot with listening, and shadow speaking helps with pronunciation in my experience

They speak quite fast in tv shows and that helps me to get used to it

[jovial remnant]

your experience suggests that you are new and still learning

it's ok

i think it's hard to accept these kinds of things

[dire ice]

Yeah 1.5 month is definitely understandable, it takes time to get used to a new language environment

[vocal zinc]

Like which ones

[rapid quiver]

zum beispiel deutschsprachige filme, wie krimis, abenteuerfilme, tierfilme oder ierdokumentationen .....

tierdokumentionen meinte ich ... sorry typo

films in german - example crime thrillers - adventure films - animal films - animal documentaries or so ..... is only a idea

another idea would be: meet up with people who speak german and learn with them ...... that’s the best way to learn ...... I say this from my own experience ..... I mean, that’s how I learned english

[astral yoke]

You could also try ARD/ZDF/Arte-Mediathek. There you find stuff that was on TV earlier.

[rapid quiver]

ist auch eine sehr gute idee .... da hast du recht Bernie 🙂

[hollow umbra]

Some actors mumble 😆 Til Schweiger is famous for this
https://youtu.be/hHoNqalnGPY

[digital ocean]

Is there a free German website that has free TV shows to watch? When I was learning Swedish, there was SVT Play, which had free shows to stream on Swedish, which helped me learn and immerse

[astral yoke]

Try the mediathek's of ARD/ZDF/Arte not sure if they have shows but def. German TV of all sorts...

[digital ocean]

You're a legend. Danke

[marsh bone]

Guten Abend, (entschuldigung fur die schlechte grammatik) ich bin in ein Deutsch Zwei klasse. Ich kann nicht erinnern worter. beliebig tipps?

[frigid tinsel]

Anki. The secret behind FSRS research is that forgetting is part of the learning + remembering process. You need to wait long enough to have forgotten before reviewing again, and make your intervals longer and longer....

Anki does this automatically. As you get the cards correct, you'll have a review in 1 day, then maybe 3 days, then 10 days, then a month later, then 3 months later. Etc. etc

[marsh bone]

is it free on app store?

[frigid tinsel]

It's free for everything except Apple.

They decided Apple was the one they'd make money from, $25 I think??

But it's free in Mac OSX and Windows and Linux.

[marsh bone]

alright thanks

[jaunty helm]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen halten und anhalten

und auch der unterschied zwischen schützen und wahren

Entschuldigung für die Schriftfehler (as in sorry for any mistakes in spelling not sure how you would say that)

[empty vale]

rechtschreibfehler

[jaunty helm]

rechtschreibfehler ist?

like it doesn't mean the right way to spell something right?

darum es darin das Wort fehler hat, na?

[digital ocean]

how to say, "I love you" in German?

[sly oracle]

die Rechtschreibung is 'the spelling' as in 'I don't know the proper spelling for this word' and die Rechtschreibfehler is die Rechtschreib(ung) + die Fehler [mistakes] so all together it means spelling mistakes

or well the second word is actually probably constructed from the verb form rechtschreiben rather than the noun but same difference

[winter kayak]

Ich liebe dich

Ich habe dich lieb <- another way to express affection/liking someone

Ich habe dich gern <- also

[digital ocean]

Ich liebe dich, lolo

[balmy raft]

ich liebe dich is romantical, ich habe dich lieb isn't

[winter kayak]

It depends. Some parents (not all) say ich liebe dich to their kids. And romantic partners say “Ich habe dich lieb” to one another as well. But as a general rule, yeah

[jaunty helm]

Ah ok

Danke schön

Was ist denn der Unterschied zwischen buchstabieren und rechtschreiben

[winter kayak]

buchstabieren = man sagt die Buchstaben eines Wortes statt des Wortes selbst
rechtschreiben = ein Wort richtig schreiben

Buchstabieren:
'mein Name ist Lolo'
'kannst du das buchstabieren?'
'L-O-L-O'

Rechtschreibung: Günther achtete nicht auf die Rechtschreibung und bekam deswegen schlechte Noten in Deutsch.

[worn meadow]

Die erste Frage in Übung 32 ist mir bisschen verwirrend

Umfragen ist Plural, aber kommt "hat" danach

Gibt es hier ein Fehler??

[astral yoke]

Nein, das passt so!

[astral yoke]

Was könntest du also einsetzen?

[worn meadow]

Die Umfrage hat sich ergeben....

[solemn herald]

Hallo

[astral yoke]

Plural?

[worn meadow]

oder haben sich ergeben

so habe ich gedacht

[astral yoke]

Aber was du einsetzen sollst ist nicht sich ergeben sondern sich ergeben aus!

[worn meadow]

stimmt

[astral yoke]

nur nicht unbedingt in dieser Reihenfolge!

[astral yoke]

Hallo! 👋

[jovial remnant]

"Umfragen + hat" weist drauf hin dass jemand oder etwas Umfragen handelt. Es geht nicht direkt um wie Umfragen behandelt werden

[solemn herald]

Wie gehts

[astral yoke]

Danke, mir geht's prima! Wie geht's dir?

[worn meadow]

ok, das ist bisschen klarer

danke

[astral yoke]

Du hast sich ergeben aus und eine Lücke vor und nach Umfragen hat

[solemn herald]

Sehr gut

[worn meadow]

Daraus Umfragen hat sich ergeben...

[astral yoke]

Beinahe!!!! 👏

[astral yoke]

Lass mal das Da am Anfang weg!

[worn meadow]

Es ist mir ungewöhnlich, ich weiß nicht warum😅

im Präsenz: Umfragen ergibt sich aus....

[astral yoke]

Das ist auch eine etwas ungewöhnliche Satzstruktur, man könnte ihn ein wenig umbauen, aber sie bleimt mMn trotzdem komisch 🤔
Es hat sich aus Umfragen ergeben , dass...🤷‍♂️

[astral yoke]

Es ergibt sich aus Umfragen,^^

[astral yoke]

Oder
Aus Umfragen ergibt sich...

[worn meadow]

ok, mit es ist es viel mehr verständlich

[astral yoke]

Das ist das interessante bei der Satzstruktur, du bist hier relativ flexibel, dafür musst du manchmal ein wenig nachdenken.

[solemn herald]

Mein deutsch is nicht gut

[winter kayak]

ist das eine Frage oder eine Aussage?

[winter kayak]

mehr verständlich -> verständlicher

[astral yoke]

... Deutsch ist... ^^^
Aber es ist gut genug für eine Begrüßung, jetzt musst du nur fleißig üben 😉

[worn meadow]

danke

[solemn herald]

Did you meant if its a question?

Idk the other word

[solemn herald]

💀 ja dein deutsch ist sehr gut

[astral yoke]

Das andere Wort: Aussage -> statement

[solemn herald]

Ohhhh danke

[zenith sierra]

I need help with my homework

i have a sentence i need to translate into german but i dont know why but its saying its incorrect

im not sure if its broken or not

this is supposed to mean ''i drink coffee, before i leave''

please ping me if anyone has any ideas

[astral yoke]

do you get any hints what might be wrong?
To me it looks all correct 🤷‍♂️

[zenith sierra]

only the translation to ''bevor''

but no hints

it might be broken but i was just making sure im not the problem 😭

[hollow bone]

Ich habe bei Aufgabe 9 die Antwort A gewählt, aber die richtige Lösung ist B. Warum ist das so? Wo genau liegt der Hinweis im Text ? Können Sie mir bitte helfen?

[astral yoke]

Abgesehen von etlichen Fehlern im Text gilt die Antwort B nur für Menschen, die Workaholics sind, denn diese sind laut diesem Text nicht in der Lage, sich ein Privatlaben auch nur vorstellen zu können und flüchten sich daher in Arbeit.
🤷‍♂️

[winter kayak]

The correct answer should be C, almost certainly. But the text is messed up, so it’s kinda hard to tell where the quote ends (i.e. professor Robinson vs. Author)

A is definitely wrong, and unsupported by the text.

And as far as I can see B is also without support in the text.

[hollow bone]

Das ist eine Prüfungsaufgabe, deshalb suche ich nach der richtigen Lösung. Ich verstehe nicht, warum die richtige Antwort B ist. 😩

[graceful whale]

Can the average German of today read Fraktur like this?

[winter stream]

the average german i think has trouble with several letters in this, mostly the long s of course

[graceful whale]

the k is part of the learning curve too

[winter stream]

several of the capitals too, yeah

[graceful whale]

I saw an x and it looked like an r to me at first

[winter stream]

yup

[edgy forum]

Welche Kanal ist besser und sehr active für reden auf Deutsch, ist es #german-only oder #beginner-german

[winter stream]

sehr aktive was?

[graceful whale]

Perhaps you meant reden?

[edgy forum]

Ohh I was typing reden idk why it typed raden

[winter stream]

naja, beide? du musst halt schauen, welcher gerade aktiver ist

[edgy forum]

Corn cockle 😭

[edgy forum]

Hmm das ist eigentlich wahr

Danke

[winter stream]

👍 viel Erfolg

[hollow umbra]

I think it's easy to get used to. Much more difficult is the Kurrent handwriting, most people cannot decipher that.

[mellow wedge]

Good resources for German learning?

[winter kayak]

#resources

[graceful whale]

True. I can hardly make sense of it whenever I see it

[winter kayak]

I'd venture to say yes. Maybe a few letters look weird, but if you can speak German, a few missing letters hardly make a big problem. It's easy to read from the surrounding context.

[south tinsel]

Wie formulieret man rhetorische Fragen?

[winter stream]

eigentlich genau so, wie normale

tendenziell vielleicht ein paar mehr Modalpartikel

[south tinsel]

wie englisch?

[winter stream]

selbe Wortstellung, wie in normalen deutschen Fragen, meine ich

[south tinsel]

beispiele bitte

[south tinsel]

oh

[twilit bison]

Do u know guys how I can solve this problem?
All rooms are closed on the server

[winter stream]

you wait

[twilit bison]

Wait?

[south tinsel]

#getting-started

[astral yoke]

faq vc

[livid steeple]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[twilit bison]

Then?

[winter stream]

'Warum machst du das?' ~ 'Warum machst du das denn?'
'Warum sitzen wir hier?' ~ 'Warum sitzen wir denn hier?'
'Sind wir nicht stark genug, um das zu schaffen?' ~ 'Sind wir denn nicht stark genug, um das zu schaffen?'
das können beides rhetorische und normale Fragen sein, aber das denn unterstreicht, dass man eine betstimmte Erwartung hat

[twilit bison]

Oh okayy
Thanks Ahmed

[south tinsel]

np

[south tinsel]

achso, danke dir

[winter stream]

hoffe es hilft ein bisschen

[south tinsel]

Sie werden im formellen Kontext verwendet

oder?

[winter stream]

auch in normalen Gesprächen

[south tinsel]

ja okay danke

[edgy forum]

Wie kann man benutzten "sonst" und was bedeutet dass wort?

[winter stream]

schau dir mal die Übersetzungen und Beispiele bei Wiktionary an https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sonst
prinzipiell ist es ein Adverb, das irgendeine Option in den Gegensatz zu einer anderen stellt. etwas normales und etwas ungewöhnliches, oder etwas und etwas was noch übrig ist

(for completeness sake: Wie kann man “sonst” benutzen[word order] und was bedeutet das Wort[minor spelling issue])

[kindred flicker]

are there any outstanding errors here?

[edgy forum]

Danke Danke bitte korrigieren sie mich mehr 🩷

Und danke für dir Hilfe

[vocal zinc]

I have 13 days to perfectionise my grammar and improve my speaking a lot

13 specific days. Any advices?

[smoky owl]

Könnt ihr mir schöne deutsche Lieder empfehlen?
Can u recommend me some good german songs?

[oblique snow]

double check 4 (3 mistakes) and 5

[hollow umbra]

Guck mal hier: #1028991097277513770

[oblique snow]

Because native speakers can guess words by context, after a page or so, they can read this fluently.
The problem with unfamiliar letter shapes only exists for single words without context.

[sleek pebble]

it was never hard for me and it doesn’t differ unreasonably much from antiqua

i have a few books typeset in fraktur and never considered it hard to read

[winter stream]

me neither but im trying to not overestimate familiarity with it

[sleek pebble]

in my town there are a great lot of street signs in fraktur and nobody has an issue with those either so i assume it’s fine

[winter stream]

makes sense

[wary jungle]

Can someone Tell my why in one example the subject IS Said Last and in another example it IS Said First?

[winter stream]

my first interaction with it as a child was an Asterix comic where the Goths, as stand-ins for the Germans, had all their dialogue printed in Fraktur

[sleek pebble]

lmao

that’s so clever

i like that

[oblique snow]

Simplified version: as long as the verb is in second position and the subject is close to the verb, you can reorder sentence elements

[winter stream]

german word order is sensitive to, uh, new or old information, how you plan to give information to someone
the Wohnung is in some way the topic already and you give extra info on it (where it is). in the other, unsere Straße is basically the setting, and ein neues Lokal is the new information

[wary jungle]

Can you gimme some examples?

[smoky owl]

danke

[winter stream]

on its own youd say for example "Ich habe die Flasche im Getränkemarkt gekauft", but if its in a context where someone asks 'hey where did you buy this bottle' youd usually say "Die Flasche habe ich im Getränkemarkt gekauft", with die Flasche as the topic or preexisting information at the beginning

or Ich gehe am Freitag auf ein Konzert, but if you talk about what you do on friday with someone you often say "Am Freitag gehe ich auf ein Konzert", with Am Freitag as the setting or context at the beginning

these are not obligatory, it's not completely necessary that these things are said in that order, but it's a general trend behind what's at the beginning

[wary jungle]

Ohhhhh

[winter stream]

if there's no particular thing you're commenting on or you don't have a particular context for something, then you default to the subject at the beginning

[wary jungle]

Dude that was a good explanation

[winter stream]

thank you

[wary jungle]

Thanks

[fair hedge]

I'm having an issue trying to answer a question
I am given the sentence: "Frau Bauer kauft samstags ein aber Herr und Frau Klinger kaufen mittwochs ein."
and I am told to find the verbs in the second part of the sentence and put them in the infinitiv, but Kaufen apparently is not the answer. What am I missing?

[winter stream]

🤔 that does seem like a strange question. i cannot imagine what is meant either

can you type out or send a photo of the exact task as it is phrased?

[lunar lynx]

The verb here is the seperable verb einkaufen

[fair hedge]

oh, that was correct

thank you

[winter stream]

ah i see, i thought you had to form a full sentence somehow

[dusk umbra]

what's the purpose of the word "nach" here?

[winter stream]

noch and nach are different words! noch means additionally in this context

or 'also'

[fair hedge]

it says the sentence isn't correct, how do I fix it?

[winter stream]

you have a minor typo in there

[dusk umbra]

ohhh my bad I meant noch

how come it is not included in the translation though?

[fair hedge]

where?

[winter stream]

7

check the spelling again

[winter stream]

🤷

[fair hedge]

ah found it

thank you!

[winter stream]

you could add it on the english side in this case. often you do have more particles (little words) in german than in the most natural english translation though

[glacial crag]

"Sie haben es in den Wind geschlagen."

Was bedeutet diese Redewendung auf Englisch?

[winter stream]

sowas wie 'dimissed out of hand'

[glacial crag]

danke :]

[fair hedge]

For the second question, would the correct sentence be "Halb acht raümt sie schnell ihr Zimmer auf."?

[winter stream]

dont forget about the preposition um, and remember that it's äu not aü

[fair hedge]

so "Um halb acht räumt sie schnell ihr Zimmer auf."

[winter stream]

potentially ...ihr Zimmer schnell auf as an alternative

i'd say these have marginally different emphasis but functionally don't describe anything different

actually yeah no these ought to be definitely identical and have both interpretations im thinking of

[fair hedge]

now the question is how do I type out eight twenty? i know for quarter and half, but what would 8:20 be?

[winter stream]

(quickly cleaning the room, as in, not taking long to clean it, or going quickly/promptly in order to do that)

8:20 ist zwanzig nach acht or acht uhr zwanzig

if you have 8:40 you'd usually say either zwanzig vor neun or acht uhr vierzig

[fair hedge]

so "Sie geht um acht uhr zwanzig zur Universität"

[winter stream]

Uhr capitalised, apologies

but yes

[fair hedge]

what about a time like, 9:05?

[winter stream]

fünf nach neun

[fair hedge]

so like "Sie fängt ihren Englischstunde an fünf nach neun"

[winter stream]

um... an

[fair hedge]

...Um fünf nach neun fängtsie ihre Englischstunde an?

[winter stream]

mhm. das oder halt eben "Sie fängt ihr Englischstunde um fünf nach neun an"

[fair hedge]

es wurde als falsch markiert

[winter stream]

dann probier neun Uhr fünf

ah i see the issue

[fair hedge]

das ist schwer 😭

[winter stream]

then you're not supposed to add sie

[oblique snow]

typo

[winter stream]

Ihr__e__ Englischstunde fängt um bla bla

[fair hedge]

"Ihre Englischstunde fängt um fünf nach neun an"

[dire ice]

Hallo! I need some help.
“Selma, bitte beschreibe eines von Sebastians Porträts.“
So the context is “Sebastian is showing pictures of the portraits he made, and Lisa told Selma to describe out of one photo”
But why did they use “eines”here?

[winter stream]

we can start approaching this if you say what you would have expected

but basically ein inflects marginally differently when used to describe a noun that follows directly (the use as an article youre familiar with) than when theres not a noun directly there

and then you say einer for masculine nominative and eines for neuter nominative and accusative (rather than ein) and thats the form this is

[vocal zinc]

is jeglich more like "all" or "any"

[winter stream]

'any and all' i guess :p

[vocal zinc]

kinda confusing

[dire ice]

So eines refers to das Foto as its neutral?

[winter stream]

bingo

[dire ice]

Ok thanks, helps a lot🙏

But how to say if to refer to “plural” and “feminine”? einen and einer?

[winter stream]

well the full set of meanings of any and the full set of meanings of all dont have to map directly onto one german word each.

[winter stream]

eine for feminine, you would use ein for plurals

one thing after the other my friend

does it have to be via dm?

huh

[dire ice]

Got it, thanks a lot

[winter stream]

do you mean what i think you mean

[vocal zinc]

send it to me

it might be a documentary or smth

fr

[winter stream]

in the plural it would be einige, for what it's worth

[vocal zinc]

dm me

i think its not forbidden as long as it belongs to a documnetary or smthn and outside of the server

[dire ice]

😵‍💫

Is this how to refer to things in german?

[winter stream]

or welche in some uses :p

[dire ice]

Do you know what kind of grammar it belongs to?

[dire ice]

I understand about the welche, welcher and welches

Are they the same???

[winter stream]

what do you mean exactly

'things' and 'what kind of grammar' are very vague

[vocal zinc]

what kind of a word even eine Geselle is

does anyone ever use this in a lifetime

[winter stream]

ein Geselle

[vocal zinc]

sounded too feminine sorry

[winter stream]

and yeah i mean it's an actual position/rank in some jobs

[vocal zinc]

a journeyman

like a traveler?

[winter stream]

not per se

it's what you are in a traditional craft like carpenter when you're no longer an apprentice

and traditionally you do go a-wandering then

[vocal zinc]

oh i got it

[winter stream]

and try to set up shop elsewhere

[vocal zinc]

it was just i didnt know what a journeyman is

[winter stream]

it does also mean fellow

[vocal zinc]

that was the meaning i was first trying to ask

[winter stream]

mhm i mean it exists

its not super common nowadays

[vocal zinc]

imma use it on monday to confuse everyone who thinks i cant speak german

du geselle

[winter stream]

i thought you already found a willing helper

epic

[vocal zinc]

i didnt its not so understandable

and its a lame edit video

[winter stream]

🤔

i do not think im interested in helping you

[vocal zinc]

ive been asking too much questions but, if auftauchen is like "to appear" why is "tauchen" is to dive? and is tauchen also the reverse of diving??

and can i replace Beschwerden auftreten with Bescwerden auftauchen?

[winter stream]

i think your interests are lame

[dire ice]

Chill…

Wtf bro are you asking for help??? With this attitude you are not getting any

[winter stream]

well i dont want to start a larger argument, please just accept that i did not get a great impression and dont want to aid you in this, that is all

[vocal zinc]

i didnt call u lame

i called the edit lame

oh u meant vaen

[dire ice]

Calm down Jesus

If you want some help ask nicely at least

[winter stream]

i dont think anyone is really deeply upset, let us move on

[dire ice]

Everyone here is just trying to help

[idle oasis]

No one is entitled to help you and you can't demand anyone do so. You may especially not message or bother specific people.

[dire ice]

You can send the video in chat I guess

The video you wanted help for

[idle oasis]

We are not a translation service either 🤷

[dire ice]

Maybe someone else can understand the video and help you out I suppose

[idle oasis]

I don't see an argument. I see you acting entitled and being rude when someone told you they are not interested.

I recommend looking for a translator since this is a German learning server.

And it doesn't seem that this is the reason why you joined?

[dire ice]

Then maybe that’s why people didn’t want to help? You can ask a ai or use a translater to detect the voice message

Btw if the content is unhealthy, the ai might also refuse to help just so you know

Sounds bad, but Reddit would be a better way

[idle oasis]

[dire ice]

Try ask in a history subreddit, some experts might be help in that way

If there’s a subreddit for specific german history or sth, it shouldn’t be banned there

[fair hedge]

how do I fix the sentence "Gegen elf Uhr holt Elias uns ab"

[dire ice]

To spend 3 years be crazy to figure it out

Hope you find the answer that helps you:))

[dire ice]

I think gegen means “approximately” “around 11 o’clock “

[winter stream]

but what would be wrong with it? i dont know

[winter stream]

i dont see an issue, just try different orders of the sentence and see which one is the one the system is made to accept

[vocal zinc]

can i say kerlchen to the kids

[dire ice]

“Das sind zwei ältere Männer mit grauen Haaren” why is it das here instead of die? It’s plural as “zwei Männer“

[vocal zinc]

thats so common

its just not like english

das sind means these are

[winter stream]

mhm, it's just a generic introducing thing

refer to the situation as such if anything at all

[astral yoke]

imho you could translate it as:
these are 2 older men with grey hair
if you translate it word-wise you would get:
that are 2...
but word wise is mostly not the smart way to translate.
instead of:
there are 2 older men with grey hair...

[dire ice]

Oh I get it

[astral yoke]

So,
Question solved? 🤔

[dire ice]

Thanks

[astral yoke]

Perfect, thanks for answering! 👍

[scenic obsidian]

German doesn't distinguish as strongly between "that" (singular) and "those" (plural) as English does

So "das" can be singular or plural, that or those

[fair hedge]

How do I turn number three into a informal 'du' sentence?

[scenic obsidian]

R and H are switched in the verb

[fair hedge]

Thank you!

[scenic obsidian]

Also, informal imperative normally doesn't have "du"

It's just the verb

Although I think it can have the subject sometimes

[scenic obsidian]

Also, how the verb is formed can get complicated for the "du" form with irregular verbs:

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/verbs/imperative

[chilly pollen]

which case is used in the sentence "ich habe ein Lied gefunden"

[sharp bolt]

accusative

''Finden'' takes accusative objects

[chilly pollen]

Ok so i miss remembered how to use ein in the cases

Bc i was thinking "eines" there but i wasnt sure

[sharp bolt]

that would be if you're referring to the Lied in another sentence

''ich habe ein Lied gefunden. hast du auch eines gefunden?''

normally ''eines'' + noun is genitive case

[chilly pollen]

Ah I see

Thanks

[hollow umbra]

"eins" works, too

[hollow umbra]

You mean "finden"

[sharp bolt]

I do

[edgy forum]

Habt ihr gut Bücher empfahl über A und B niveau

Nicht für Grammatik denn ich hab Grammatik aktiv Bücher, ich möchte ein paar Bücher für mein Freizeit

[worn meadow]

ich kann dieses Buch empfehlen

Es orientiert sich an Schriftsprache. Es hat viele Übungen drin.

Ich habe bezüglich eine Frage:
Mit dieser Übung muss man die Sätze verbalisieren.

Der Zusammenbruch der Firma
Antwort: Die Firma wurde zusammengebracht? Oder
Die Firma bricht sich zusammen?

[winter kayak]

Die Firma bricht zusammen

Not reflexive not passive

[edgy needle]

Die Firma brach zusammen

brechen bricht brach ist gebrochen

[edgy forum]

Ig I was late and people already answered it 😦

But thanks for the recommendation I'll look for this book

[vocal zinc]

Guys how do u decide u learnt a word

Are u writing it down 10 times reading it out loud 30 times how do u leanr words

I have not been actively leanring words over years idk how to

[winter stream]

i learnt a word if i know what it means when i see it

🤷

if thats a matter of seeing it 14 times over 2 months and looking it up 4 times within that time, then that's that

it's a matter of progressing though texts and such for me

[vocal zinc]

yeah but do you have a systematic

cuz im encountring tons of words im making notes for once

but most of them i dont learn actively

i understand them but cant use them myself when needed

[winter kayak]

Try Anki. It handles the repetition for you (spaced repetition algorithm)

[brisk lance]

What would be a good way to translate: "Die Tasche ist weg in dem Taxi?"
Would it be like away or gone in the taxi?
Because I didnt know the meaning of weg and i know it means away, but its still weird i think?

[glacial crag]

it comes down to the amount of times you've encountered and used the word. If you can spontaneously use most meanings of the word on command, you have a good grasp of it

[glacial crag]

And yeah you should definitely try anki, 10/10 app for learning a lot of things

[vocal zinc]

Did u learn that way

[vocal zinc]

The thing is i dont feel like im using anything at all

I feel so stuck with my knowledge

Im passively consuming content

Videos texts

Im marking the words i cant recall and moving on

Like do u guys repeat it 50 times or like write it down several times the old school way

[glacial crag]

you don't have to repeat the word that many times, you just need spaced repetition (anki does a great job at this) and a lot of input / output

You should also use a monolingual dictionary (you can pair this with a bilingual one) to grasp a few meanings of a word and that's it

[glacial crag]

This is normal, just remember that you are improving even when it doesn't feel like it. Improvement is very slow once you get to a certain level, but it's there.
You should also learn actively and jot down new meanings of a word you've never heard before, or even idioms

[glacial crag]

"you should also useful" welp, what a blunder

[tawny fractal]

Where did you read that sentence

[brisk lance]

in Nico's Weg

[winter kayak]

some of the time, sure

[tawny fractal]

Not "Die Tasche im Taxi ist weg"?

Sounds a bit awkward but yea you got the meaning. Basically the bag that was in the taxi is gone

[hollow umbra]

"Karl-Heinz ist im Taxi weg" means he left in the taxi

But that works better for persons

[brisk lance]

lemme show you

[brisk lance]

yeah

[brisk lance]

ohh ok

and is it the same verb as "weg sein"? i found this online. why is it switched? why isnt it "sein weg"?

[scenic obsidian]

In English, he said it in that same order right before that, maybe she's just translating a bit too literally

[brisk lance]

ohhh i see!

so we use weg at the end of a sentence then?

[scenic obsidian]

The way verbs are shown in dictionaries is to have the actual main verb at the end and then all the stuff associated with it before the verb. This resembles a form known as infinitive, but you won't know about that right now.

It is not the same order as the order of things in a main clause

[brisk lance]

ohh i see, ty!!

[scenic obsidian]

yeah

well, it's complicated 😅

there's a colloquial thing you can do where you put things after what is supposed to be the end of the clause

so it could also count as that

but to not complicate things: yeah, weg should be roughly at the end of the clause.

[brisk lance]

I found it here

https://yourdailygerman.com/meaning/weg-sein/

[frigid tinsel]

Nicos Weg (the program) is also doing the best they can with the limited vocabulary here.

[winter stream]

the weird thing is the word order

[frigid tinsel]

weg sein is a trenbarre verb?

Huh

[stiff kraken]

sein ist ein verb und weg ist ein adverb

[acoustic sun]

du mustt krankenhouse gehen denn du sieshst nicht good (is there any problem if there is what it is )

[astral yoke]

Let me ask first: what do you want to say here?

[oblique snow]

Neither spelling nor grammar is correct

[acoustic sun]

you must go to the hospitall becouse you dont look well

ı want to learn a bit german as my uncle lives there he invented me to germany. i will stay there for 3 month

[oblique snow]

As a first step, you can look up all the words in a dictionary to make sure you spell them correctly

[acoustic sun]

firsty ı should learn all the words ı could in that time

german grammer is easy and fun to learn

[astral yoke]

One thing is: even if a word in English sounds like a German word it is most times spelled different like:
house ~good

[acoustic sun]

in the spelling ı should lengt the words

am ı rigth ?

ı couldnt find word to descrpie what in my mind

sorry bro

[astral yoke]

wdym with lengt?
Can you describe what you mean, then?

[acoustic sun]

ı have looked at dictionary that's why ı wrote legnt

I thought that words need to be prolonged when pronouncing them

[astral yoke]

an English - German dictionary should help you translate words and tell you how it's written and while you are learning new nouns, make sure to learn the grammatical gender of each noun as well. bc for example dog -> Hund is male ->> der Hund while
cat -> Katze is female >> die Katze

[acoustic sun]

ı know that

[vocal zinc]

dude what are u typing ive been waiting for 10 minutes

[astral yoke]

No, this is not how it works in German, there are letters that alter the length of e.g. a vowel:
nah, roh, weh, wie, Ruhe (make them longer)
Zucker (makes it shorter)

[astral yoke]

Me? picking my brain for examples, 😉
and using what Discord allows you to emphasize ...

[frigid tinsel]

Lol

I probably should do more of that, just making sure my words are correct before sending.

[astral yoke]

and it was 7 minutes 😜

[frigid tinsel]

I do have a question. My notes say that sich umziehen is a ist/hat Perfekt verb.

I'm struggling to think of the difference.

My brain is defaulting to "Ich habe mich umgezogen"

[astral yoke]

Umziehen

[oblique snow]

umziehen != sich umziehen

[frigid tinsel]

I should have spent 7 more minutes checking the spelling there lol

[astral yoke]

Ich bin umgezogen <> Ich habe mich umgezogen

[frigid tinsel]

Ah right. I'm talking about sich umziehen if it matters.

[frigid tinsel]

Oooohhhhhh. I see. So I made my notes incorrectly.

So the reflexive form is haben, while the regular form is sein?

That makes a lot of sense actually.

[astral yoke]

be careful though
Ich bin (schon) umgezogen can have 2 meanings:
I have (already) changed my clothes
I moved to a new place
You must check the context here to be sure what is said.

[acoustic sun]

thank you bro. ı couldnt replay to you as my internet connection was lost

problems of living in a dorm

[brisk lance]

I know that and I'm liking Nico's Weg so far, I think it's more a mistake kf my interpretation kf the line

[acoustic sun]

Sie will das Autorennen beobachten, aber sie muss ihre Hausaufgaben machen. (why it is wrong ?)

she wants to watch car racing but she must do her home work

[oblique snow]

Nothing really wrong, but "beobachten" is not the best fitting verb.

[astral yoke]

beobachten is rather observe than watch which I think you wanted here 🤔

[fair hedge]

Im struggling with the use of 'doch' here, i understand how to reform the sentence with 'bitte' but not with 'doch'

[winter stream]

hmm, let's start with this: it tells you to form an imperative statement, so put the verb at the beginning

if i understand correctly what it wants, the doch here is for a sort of ... suggestion with the implication that it's an obvious, uncomplicated choice or possibility

[plush locust]

I'm struggling with why you even think "doch" is a problem

its neither a thing in the question nor in the intended answer

[winter stream]

it has the same position in the sentence order as bitte does in the example, m

[plush locust]

Dann gib mir einfach den Satz mit "doch", über den man reden soll...

so basically, "Rufen Sie mich doch heute Abend an" is the issue?

(the reply makes no sense btw)

(that is visible down below in the image)

[winter stream]

what?

[fair hedge]

no, for 1, it's "Möchten Sie morgen früh im Café frühstücken?", which I have to turn into a imperative like in the example, using what is shown in the parenthesis

[winter stream]

the target is forming ||Frühstücken Sie doch morgen früh im Café|| im pretty sure

[plush locust]

then why is "doch" a thing in the first place?

[winter stream]

you're supposed to turn the question into a suggestion in the imperative

and add some adverb as indicated

[plush locust]

oh I overlooked that one

[winter stream]

it also took me a bit to figure out what this could be asking for, it's not a very intuitively formatted task i find 😩

[fair hedge]

So from what I figured, then it's frühstücken at the start.
so "Frühstücken sie morgen doch früh im cafe"? or is the doch placed before morgen?

[winter stream]

before morgen, generally

[plush locust]

Verb first is demanded by syntax, yeah

[winter stream]

there's a bit of possible flexibility here, but i think that's the one that sounds best

[fair hedge]

okay, this makes more sense now, thank you both

[plush locust]

yeah, word order and how you say the words is what gives German a certain flexibility

[winter stream]

you could say uh. 'Frühstücken sie morgen doch einfach im Café', where doch goes inbetween morgen and einfach, but morgen früh is generally taken as one unit and so you'd not break it up with a doch, id say

[fair hedge]

So in the case of the imperitive, doch fills the space similar to bitte? where the verb is placed first and the imperative is used to transform the sentence into something else

[plush locust]

both words go to the same spot, you can also stack them (in an imperative, that often will result in emphasizing that you are annoyed)

"Hol doch mal bitte eine Cola [ey, du Arsch, was los, etc.]"

^ also this is the order you will use for stacking

usually

bitte is free though >_>

[fair hedge]

ah okay ! it makes more sense now, thank you!

[plush locust]

"Hol bitte doch mal" is also ok

"bitte" and "nicht" are maybe the two nightmare words to explain ^^;

[fair hedge]

I know for nicht it turns the sentence into a negative, correct?

and it's placement depends on sentence structure

[plush locust]

Ich will darauf nicht antworten, ohne dein Deutsch zu kennen x.x

(und es ist falsch, btw)

[fair hedge]

Ich bin neu in der Deutsch

[plush locust]

Then really ignore "nicht" for a while, tbh

Or kinda go by "vibes"

It only makes sense (in my view) to talk about once you can separate a sentence in German by cases, and stuff like temporal or place-referring elements (with their cases). Then, I think, is a good place to actually reflect about "nicht".

So, once you can say "Heute gehe ich mir im Kiosk ein Bier kaufen." and you start asking why do I put a nicht (where you'd put it anyway), that's the right time.

[fair hedge]

okay I see, thank you

[plush locust]

well, what level are you? (studying for)

(if you anything formally determined)

[fair hedge]

Im in a beginning German class for University, I'm taking it because there is documents in my line of field that are only in german that I have to read

If any level, I am at a child's level i believe

[plush locust]

what's your field btw? (I'm a historian / cultural studies monstrousity btw :3 )

[fair hedge]

I am in art history with a focus in religious arts!

[plush locust]

that above is just a bad problem to pose for "child's level", tbh

[fair hedge]

I'm still trying to improve it more outside of class

[plush locust]

how old would the German be you ultimately have to read? D:

[fair hedge]

well the text I'm currently having to translate is "Der Brygos Maler" and from how its going, I think with some more learning i should be able to understand it clearer

I need to start keeping my german notes in english instead

[plush locust]

you have to translate? O_o

[plush locust]

once you have to even use more than one language, you are, frankly, just dead in an academic context

either you think in the language or you don't (...for oooold primary sources this idea is excluded)

[fair hedge]

its a source on the brygos painter I need for a paper on attic-etruscan pottery economy

[plush locust]

I googled, ooph

[fair hedge]

I can think in english, but usually my thoughts go german->English-> Spanish

[plush locust]

do you need German for secondary literature? '_'

[fair hedge]

yes

[plush locust]

Spain is your first language?

[fair hedge]

yes, I learned english when I was a child, though

[plush locust]

as did I (through videogames >_>)

[fair hedge]

I am also learning french for the same academic reason, since a lot of papers for sources are also in French, but that one I can understand better

[plush locust]

Romance language power lol

yeah, this makes sense, but its also insane to even try doing it

like, in academia it's normal to just ignore anything that is in the "wrong language" (=not-english) anyway >_>

(and I'm not going to continue this beyond what I just said here, because that will go beyond language)

[fair hedge]

My professor said the same thing, but she knows French and Italian, so I feel compelled to try

[plush locust]

let me PM you to get this out of the way of the language learners

[fair hedge]

thats fine!

[vocal zinc]

Im really struggling with the word gelingen

[astral yoke]

what's your struggle here? the meaning?🤔

[vocal zinc]

I have specific problems with this word I don't get it at all it looks so alien to me

[plush locust]

its not really common, so w/e 😄

(...how many decades ago did I actually use this word, if ever, at all?)

[astral yoke]

DWDS tells it's part of the B1 Goethe Wortschatz 🤷‍♂️

[plush locust]

makes sense...

gelingen, gelungen

you will very likely not use this in practice, though >_>

[astral yoke]

Except as a person reviewing music or theater performances maybeee? 🤔

[plush locust]

maybe 😄 you can always express these things differently (more interestingly), though - which would be demanded of an actual review

[astral yoke]

I was wondering why it has a 5/7 frequency in DWDS though, are journalists using it THAT often?🤔 🤨

[plush locust]

uff

[forest scarab]

Hi

[sly oracle]

I'm not sure if it's just a quirk of german being taught from the perspective of english speakers but gelingen is definitely given some focus & emphasis in my experience

[plush locust]

kA, dann hätte ich gerne Anwendungsbeispiele

[astral yoke]

NOT in the southwest though!

[astral yoke]

die Zitate sind ALLE vor der Jahrtausendwende 😜

[plush locust]

it is definitely a word everyone just understands, but when the hell is it actually used?

[plush locust]

Also womöglich während meiner Lebenszeit D:

[sly oracle]

I was taught that its a common way to talk about something being successful

[forest scarab]

Do guys see me ?

[plush locust]

well, that's what it means, but when do you actually say it?

[grizzled fiber]

No

[astral yoke]

which is correct but as @plush locust wrote above, you can express success in MANY other ways 🤷‍♂️

[sly oracle]

i'm not arguing with you guys about the language, obviously you know better, i'm just sharing my experience in being taught german

because you were questioning the 5/7 rating thing

[plush locust]

I'm also not arguing, I'm wondering

[forest scarab]

Do you what morri means in Hindi ? 😭

[astral yoke]

hi, nice to meet you. Do you have a question abt the German language or learning it or .... ? 🤔

[plush locust]

no, but I can write myself in kanji

[forest scarab]

Actually I am learning German

For my Ausbildung

[sly oracle]

idk something like 'nach einem Gespräch mit meinen Mitbewohnern ist es uns gelungen, einen Putzplan aufzustellen' is how we would've used it in class

[forest scarab]

Can you please suggest me some easy way to start learning German like from scratch

[sly oracle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J5PJK0qStw2DHQHdRHuKIfq_bJrZkFarQVT7fkz13tg/edit?tab=t.0

tons of resources in there

[astral yoke]

there is a course free of charge from DW

[sly oracle]

was just typing that that was my favorite one^

[astral yoke]

faq nicos

[livid steeple]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the program here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

[forest scarab]

So I want you guys to be raw on this one can I go from 0 to b2 level of German in 8 months ?

[sly oracle]

yeah if you put in many hours a day

[astral yoke]

sure, but you easily could rephrase that as:
Nach einer kurzen Abstimmung mit allen Beteiligten, haben wir einen Plan aufgestellt.

[plush locust]

yeah, that's "in class" - because why on earth would you not say: "nach einem Gespräch mit unseren Mitbewohnern haben wir einen Putzplan aufgestellt" (Answer: because its not part of the problem to be learned)

[sly oracle]

id say it implies that there was a struggle (and chance of failure) rather than just something that happened

[plush locust]

yeah, but why do you want to communicate that?

(that's, tbh, where language becomes interesting)

[sly oracle]

because why not? it adds more meaning to what I want to convey

[astral yoke]

I'd say that is quite a goal that not many reach that fast, BUT ofc it depends on many things. ONE of the most important is: How many hours a day CAN you dedicate to learn German?

[plush locust]

it all depends on what do you say to whom when in which situation

[plush locust]

how much of a real life do you expect to have, and do you want to pass B2 exam or be B2?

[forest scarab]

Well I can give 5 hours a days easily

[forest scarab]

Be B2

[sly oracle]

that's a lot of time to dedicate to language learning

try it out but i don't think most people would be able to consistently dedicate 5 hrs a day

[plush locust]

"ideal" B2 is actually being able to pretty much read 90% of a typical novel, for example, with no problem

[forest scarab]

Actually I have two options I can go into an kind of academy where they will teach me German from scratch but they will take 11 to 12 months and the other option is that I can learn German by myself

[sly oracle]

I personally would 100% recommend a course over self-paced learning especially if you have specific time goals but that's kind of personal preference based off your learning style

[astral yoke]

If I were you and you could afford it, take the course AND do a bit of your own ON TOP.

[indigo bear]

No, you can't reach B2 in 8 months. Passing the exam is possible (unlikely) but being B2 is not really possible in that short time.

[forest scarab]

Thanks for your suggestions I want to ask one thing I know it's off topic but what do you guys think about Ausbildung

[forest scarab]

Like is it worth it?

[indigo bear]

You could definitely cover the grammar in that time, but for the B2+ levels, you need a lot of time for vocab and exposure, because you can't rush those.

You can only learn so many words per day.

[plush locust]

exactly, you need a couple thousand words for this

[forest scarab]

That means I need around an year to learn German 😭

German is actually very difficult I don't know why

[plush locust]

well, you can always learn structures first and then have a lot of fun with a dictionary

(I did that with Japanese for a couple months, it..err, only few people actually do this, tbh)

[astral yoke]

Ausbildung -> the dual system (school and practice) is a thing that's quite unique in Germans afaik and it's a very good way to learn (imho).

[forest scarab]

Uff japanese 😭😭

[indigo bear]

The correct channel for that topic is #1033125270217048246 .

[plush locust]

when it comes to words, hell is always around the same corner 😄

[forest scarab]

Ty

[forest scarab]

My friend is in Japan and he is struggling a lot with the language itself

[plush locust]

as long as you don't read/write it, its actually absurdly easy... (...esp. compared to German or Polish or so)

[astral yoke]

I hope it was okay to try to answer in one post 🤔

[astral yoke]

so you say talking and listening is quite easy?

[plush locust]

for Japanese? yeah

if you go 100% immersion (= living in Japan), ofc

[plush garden]

Umm I am halfway A1 done, and learning on free online resources, but cant find a structured way, my goal is to reach C2 in 3 years

Can anyone help me with that

?

[frigid tinsel]

C2 ?

Uhhhhh

Well, lets start with A1. A1 / A2 / B1 have Nicos Weg courses.

So that's mostly your structure, and I'd recommend additional grammar + vocabulary training on top of Nicos Weg.

Anki for the vocabulary drills (use words you're covering in the Nicos Weg courses), and for Grammar... lots of discussion goes around for what's best. I personally think "Basic German", by Heiner Schenke is great for an, admittingly incomplete, overview.

Then additional grammar exercises with Grammatik aktiv (A1 through B1).

That's all I got planned for myself, so someone else has to take over if you want to reach beyond that.

I also find additional reading and listening material to be useful. I'd say Kinderlieder (children songs) can be your practical A1 level stuff. A2 is "harder" children songs + the beginning of understanding normal pop-songs. There are a variety of "graded readers" that carefully only use the words from A1, A2, or B1 level wordlists.

When you self-study, you will basically have no speaking practice. That's the hardest part to resolve. Talk here in the server when you can, or find a tutor for more structured speaking practice. Its important to get talking practice even as early as A1.

[dire ice]

@frigid tinsel do you combine the online courses like Nico’s Weg with studying with paper books?

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah.

Grammar Books are written differently than coursebooks.

So it helps having a grammar-perspective.

[dire ice]

Would that take longer for the study pace, or do you experience that as faster and efficient?

[frigid tinsel]

These grammar books explain grammar much easier, and I feel like I'm making more progress. Perhaps its slower, but I'm more "assured" at my learning.

[dire ice]

I get it, toll!

Do you use the books in paper form or as pdf?

[frigid tinsel]

paper form. I buy physical copies of the books and just write into them directly.

[dire ice]

They are a little pricey so I’m still wondering if I should get one too

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, Grammatik aktiv, what I'm going through personally as my "primary" grammar book, is A1 through B1.

I did find it useful to review A1 stuff though. So maybe its worthwhile?

https://www.cornelsen.de/reihen/grammatik-aktiv-deutsch-als-fremdsprache-120002420000

If you've already achieved B level though, you'll need something else....

[dire ice]

Thanks! Any book for B2 level grammar too?

[frigid tinsel]

You might want to ask someone stronger than an A2 that question, lol.

[dire ice]

hahaha ok

Thanks again, I check it out now

[frigid tinsel]

I just checked their webpage

https://www.cornelsen.de/produkte/grammatik-aktiv-verstehen-ueben-sprechen-uebungsgrammatik-b2-c1-9783061229658

[edgy forum]

Grammatik aktiv B2-C1

[dire ice]

Thank you!

[edgy forum]

k.P

[stiff kraken]

just go paranoid and talk to yourself

[frigid tinsel]

Unironically good advice. Lol

[vernal estuary]

boahhh das kenn ich woher uff (I know the feeling). I talk to myself but that only goes so far, you know? I'm really craving in-person interactions at my level and I think it's the only way I can really get better. So even if you're self-studying I would recommend finding a study buddy or friendly native to talk to earlier than later

[shy geyser]

anyone have like a website where i could practice using the right personal pronoun/conjugation? (preferably free)

[bright hearth]

is this true? i thought native speakers know it intuitively

[stiff kraken]

obviously they don't learn it they way we do

but i heard little children making mistakes such as creating an irregular past participle for weak, regular verbs and mixing up genders especially masculine and neutral just like we do

[jovial remnant]

yeah they do intuitively because they have just too much exposure to the language

[rotund cloud]

I don't think this is how we learned it back then to be honest lol

But maybe things have changed nowadays?

[winter kayak]

I asked a native speaker this the other week, and they also said it's not something they actively learned.

[sleek pebble]

no…

[hollow umbra]

Of course it's not drilled. Or are you drilled the irregular English verbs in school, like we were?
I recently came across a word where I intuitively pick the wrong gender: "Sellerie"

[iron scroll]

Gng I am tweaking is sie (she) pronounced zi or ssi google says 2 different things

[hollow umbra]

With a voiced "z", voiceless "ss" is dialect

[sleek pebble]

i would say der sellerie, but honestly i rarely use this word with an article

[hollow umbra]

I know somebody from Northern Hesse (Marburg) who always says "ss"

[hollow umbra]

Correct 😄

[iron scroll]

Why'd google pronunciation give me a dialect 😭

[hollow umbra]

It's that I only come across "die Sellerieknolle" and "die Selleriestange"

[sleek pebble]

yeah

[bright hearth]

are you a ntive spaeker?

[hollow umbra]

Yes, filed the ticket for the yellow name a while ago, but it seems the mods are very busy

[vocal zinc]

are they still asking about the german keyboard layout

[astral yoke]

@vocal zinc
I had to write a text with some specific words in it but that was some years ago 🤷‍♂️

[oblique snow]

Back when I joined (2018) it was basically a trust system.

[sleek pebble]

i don't remember what i had to do but it was a matter of minutes

[vocal zinc]

I cant pronounce german Rs

Is it okay if i pronounce them like regular Rs in English?

Otherwise I either ended up sounding like French or not understood

[scenic obsidian]

My sister is a 1st grade teacher and they do in fact explicitly teach how to make plurals of irregular nouns and such.

[vocal zinc]

im really treating german like it was made by aliens

so Blumen pflücken means picking up flowers

i can also use it - pflücken - like picking up any item no?

Not like aufheben but e. g. eine Nadel vom Boden pflücken

[astral yoke]

only when you write a poem, not in normal context

[vocal zinc]

then it was aliens

[astral yoke]

Some salad you can though there's even the word Pflücksalat

[vocal zinc]

okay i misunderstood the meaning

Then pflücken is like ernten

but mostly for Kräuter

bot not picking items up in general

[astral yoke]

Yeah ernten is a bit different you could also say
Ich ernte Salat
You wouldn't say Ich pflücke ein Maisfeld or even einen Maiskolben But you DO say: Ich pflücke Äpfel/Birnen/Pflaumen...

[vocal zinc]

thank you i grasped the usage better

[scenic obsidian]

So it's like pick or pluck

But at least in English, you pick cotton.

Pflückt man im Deutschen Baumwolle?

[lapis sedge]

Ive started to watch some series in German for the first time, with German subtitles of course, and I have had to stop it like every time to search the meaning of words because I could barely understand many of the sentences, is that normal?

[vocal zinc]

Im between b1 and b2 and im always pausing the cartoon (sonic x) im watching

cuz either there are words i dont understand or the phrasing is different than what i'd say

[astral yoke]

Ja

[astral yoke]

If you're A-level that would be totally normal.
Maybe start with something you know in your native language and try to find it also in German. (Star wars e.g.)

[lapis sedge]

im watching Dark

Ive seen its one of the most recommended

but its been a pain stopping constantlz

I have spent like 1 hour for around 15-20 minutes of episode

[hexed heron]

try jusing a browser extension so you can have dual subtitles while watching

[astral yoke]

yeah, but I think you learn a lot along the way

[lapis sedge]

Should it be better for learning to just search each word you don't understand? Or is it just suicide

I mean I've searched information about that and people say it's better like that but I'm not sure

Im Kind of new with that

[lapis sedge]

there is no need to store all that huge amount of words in Anki right?

Just searching for them is enough

Because if I have to Id have 100 new words each day

[dire ice]

use a language translator extension if you are watching on website on a pc?

[lapis sedge]

Netflix

I have the extension

But I've tried without using it and it's so damn tiring

[scenic obsidian]

Es klingt also, als ob es auf die Art ankommt, wie die Pflanze geerntet wird. Je nachdem, wird es vielleicht gepflückt oder was auch immer?

[lapis sedge]

If it's really a good alternative and I'll learn the same as just searching for each word I'll use the extension

[scenic obsidian]

A-level and trying to understand native speaker movies is going to involve a lot of searching

[dire ice]

It took me to B1 to watch without translator but still with lots of unknown words but I just skip or guess it, and it works fine

[scenic obsidian]

That's why there are graded readers and stuff specifically designed for A1-B1 learners

They use a more restricted vocabulary so that you're not pausing every 0.5 seconds to look up a new word

[dire ice]

Searching and translating every word is more tiring as you may think

[lapis sedge]

No no I know it's tiring I've been 1 hour for 20 minutes

[dire ice]

Watch the show and if it’s a good show that make you invested and your brain will automatically learn the necessary words

Interest is the best teacher

[lapis sedge]

Well Dark seems good honestly

I hope I learn a lot with it

[dire ice]

I watched Babylon Berlin and didn’t understand even half in the season 1, but on season 2 I got really invested and went back to season 1, and I find my brain understand a lot new words in the storyline

[lapis sedge]

But I get kind of stressed because I tend to think I'm not learning everything, but I'll trust the process because everyone says that works

[dire ice]

If it’s a good show your brain will find a way to work it out lol

So just find something that gets the interest

[late hare]

does anyone have any advice for where to start as someone who used to speak German? I spoke a decent amount when I was younger but haven't used it in 15 years (plus retrograde amnesia) so I'm very rusty in what I know

[frigid tinsel]

Its a very difficult problem, because the A1 -> A2 -> B1 -> B2... progression is somewhat artificial. Yes, it partially follows the pattern of less-common to more-common words, but not always. There's specific situations (ex: train stations or airports) that you really drill more than usual.

So if you skip earlier levels, you will miss that vocabulary and have to catch up somehow.

So you'll always feel "mismatched", for a while. Until you do enough studying to "sync up" to the overall course you are on.

I'd say that your best bet is to comprehensively cover the levels as best as you can with self study. That's done with a comprehensive grammar book (like Grammatik aktiv), which covers 85 grammar lessons/exercises from A1 through B1 in one book.

Once per day is going to take ~3 months, which is far faster than trying to take an A1 -> A2 -> B1 course. This also gives you an idea of where your level is.

And for vocabulary... I dunno. Maybe read through the A1 / A2 wordlists? No one expects perfection with vocabulary but you should have most of the A1 or A2 vocabulary. Everything builds on top of each other after all.

After doing a couple of weeks of self study to get back into the swing of things. Take the following free-online placement tests to estimate your level

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/placementDashboard

and that should give you an idea of your overall level and where to start studying.

[sonic wasp]

I also watch Dark in German.

[frigid tinsel]

IIRC, the "false beginner problem" is that you actually need to start at the beginning to "remind" yourself a lot of German concepts. But you will extremely rapidly improve with even the slightest bit of practice. (You aren't "learning" like I would be. You'd be just "getting reminded" of how German works) So that's where my overall idea of "study a little bit for a week or two", to re-engage the German-brain of yours, before taking placement tests. If you go in cold, you will not really get a representative result of where you actually are.

[opaque bobcat]

faq vc

[livid steeple]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[devout gull]

cases

[astral yoke]

faq cases

[livid steeple]

Cases

Cases
German has four grammatical cases (der Fall or der Kasus in German): nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive. A case alters a noun, pronoun, adjective, etc., in some way to mark its grammatical function in a phrase, clause, or sentence. For example, the main function of the nominative (der Nominativ) case is to mark the subject in a sentence:

Ich liebe die deutsche Sprache!

In this sentence, the pronoun ich represents the first person subject and is in the nominative case. Every noun, pronoun, adjective, etc. has form in every case and it is very important to learn all of them. For example, the accusative form of ich is mich:

Die deutsche Sprache liebt mich!

See >explain adjective declension to get started on that. Don't get discouraged by how much there is, it takes some time master.

To see an explanation of the usages of every case, see their individual articles:
>explain nominative
>explain accusative
>explain dative
>explain genitive

[devout gull]

ty

explain nominative

[livid steeple]

Nominative

The nominative case (der Nominativ) is one of the four cases of the German language. A case affects how a noun or noun phrase is inflected, and indicates the role of the noun or noun phrase in a clause.

How do I decline in the nominative case?

Definite articles: der, die, das
Indefinite articles: ein, eine, ein

Personal pronouns:

ich - I
du - you
er - he
es - it
sie - she/they
wir - we
ihr - you guys
Sie - (formal) you/you guys

For a full explanation, including adjectives, see >explain adjective declension

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[astral yoke]

but please do this in #botchannel

[devout gull]

ty x2

[astral yoke]

but feel free to ask here if questions arise^^

[cobalt haven]

What is the best way to practice numbers, especially when having to pay for things like food or accessories?

Like understanding totals

[astral yoke]

how much do you know already?

[cobalt haven]

I only know to 10 but it’s very patchy haha so I’d prefer to say nothing

[astral yoke]

Oh, and your native language is English I guess?

[cobalt haven]

I can order foods and ask for cutlery and such fluently and confidently but it’s just the totals and understanding numbers

[cobalt haven]

Yes haha

[pale mountain]

I’d start with the Core Numbers 1-12 and take a look at the Logic. Like 16 = 6 & 10
Than the “tens” and “hundreds”

[astral yoke]

so, in German we have that (weird) thing that the lower ciphers always come first like you have it until 20:
ninteen - neunzehn
But we we continue that...

[pale mountain]

Its just turned around 21 = twentyone in German its Einundzwanzig = 1 and 20

[astral yoke]

so 22 is zwei und zwanzig and not tewnty two 🤷‍♂️

and this goes on even over one hundred...

[cobalt haven]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-wait-write-that-down-take-notes-taking-notes-gif-6092441834999206288

Ok ok

[astral yoke]

so 113 is einhundert drei zehn

[pale mountain]

But from 100 its First the hundreds and the thousands like 523 is 500 3 and 20
Fünfhundertdreiundzwanzig

[astral yoke]

But when it comes to numbers under 13 we use the "English" way to count

[cobalt haven]

Ach so ok ok danke

[astral yoke]

so 112 is (ein)hundertzwölf

So let's assume you had dinner in some restaurant and you're hearing Das macht fünf und achtzig € (Euro) 90 (cent)
Do you think you would get that in English?

[astral yoke]

^^

[cobalt haven]

In English it would be “that makes 85.90€

Ja?

[astral yoke]

In school I thought it's a weird way to write down numbers, but you get used to it...

[astral yoke]

And to be honest: Learning French with numbers like quatre vingt dix neuf: 4 20 19 -> 99 I stopped asking why 🤷‍♂️

[frigid tinsel]

I put like 40 numbers into Anki and practice with them. 3-digit numbers

Picked somewhat randomly.

I've also made a game for myself: whenever I look at a clock, I say the time to myself in German. So I get daily practice with numbers.

[astral yoke]

Be aware, that in SOME regions in German the clock is read different:
12:15 Uhr is for some viertel nach zwölf While for others it's
viertel EINS and
12:45 is viertel vor eins for some and for others it's
dreiviertel Eins 🤷‍♂️

[hidden light]

How to voc

[astral yoke]

Pardon, what do you want to know? 🤔 🤷‍♂️

[hidden light]

Comment parler mes je vien de trouver merci

Thanks men

How to speak, I just figured it out, thank you

[astral yoke]

Oh, here it's mostly German or English 🙇‍♂️

[rough crow]

What is the the correct term/word for „matter“ in the context of „no matter“?

[astral yoke]

could you give a little bit more context pls? 🤔

[rough crow]

Like if you mean „yeah that is definitely possible, no matter what“ or something

[astral yoke]

you COULD translate it as:
Ja, das ist sicher möglich, egal warum

[rough crow]

„Egal warum“?

Kinda as in „no one cares why“ or?

[astral yoke]

Egal aus welchem Grund...

[rough crow]

Ahh

Thank you 🙏

[cobalt haven]

Yeah my friend (native speaking German) also taught me like if something doesn’t matters or it’s like a “it’s not important, never mind” or just “never mind” kinda situation, he’ll just text me “Egal” and tends to move on to a different topic/conversation

It really depends on the context honestly, but that’s how he uses it too, not just as how it was stated here lol

[astral yoke]

‼️

[tulip meteor]

Prime usage of "egal" right here

[cobalt haven]

HAHAHAH

[ebon arch]

if i were to say "im going to push you", would it be "ich gehe du ruck" ?

im trying to learn syntax and order

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think that translates at all

[surreal ocean]

No, not even close

[ebon arch]

fuck

im so confused 😭

[frigid tinsel]

I'd say something like... "Ich werde dich schlagen". But I'm A2. (Stronger german speakers will need to correct me)

The verbs don't mean the same thing at all in German.

[surreal ocean]

That means you're going to hit someone/punch someone or even slap them

[grizzled fiber]

you would say "Ich werde dich schubsen"

[indigo bear]

Schlagen.

[ebon arch]

german is scary bro

[indigo bear]

It's not possible to learn those by translating word-by-word from English.

You have to learn the actual rules.

[frigid tinsel]

"gehen" is a "traveling" word. Ich gehe zum Park.

Yes its "going", but the "will do" kind of "going" is ... "wurden".

[surreal ocean]

anrempeln also makes sense doesn't it

[frigid tinsel]

So its IMO a vocabulary problem here, primarily.

[ebon arch]

what do you think im doing

[ebon arch]

fair

[frigid tinsel]

IMO, the English word "going" might translate to gehen, wurden, or even machen.

Maybe a few other words.

[grizzled fiber]

that's like bump into

with ur body

[stiff kraken]

englisches "gehen" hat like 50 übersetzungen

und so viele andere

[frigid tinsel]

IMO, the problem here is English. We recycle our words way too much. Other languages have more precise words for different situations.

[frigid tinsel]

At least its not "run" or "set" 🙂

[stiff kraken]

im deutschen passiert dasselbe aber mit anderen wörtern

bsw setzen

[frigid tinsel]

I mean seriously: look at the glorious English language in a nutshell

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/run_v

Why are there so many definitions?

[stiff kraken]

because to run is one of the most versatile verbs in english

but generally its nothing unusual for german words to have 4-5 meanings

it's not something that you could observe only in english

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah but... 82 is kind of....

nuts

and that's "just" the verb form of run. (not including a "Presidential Run", or any of the noun / adjective forms).

[stiff kraken]

they usually change the meaning by adding a reflexive pronoun or changing its form from one case to another

or by changing the preposition

[frigid tinsel]

But yeah, some German verbs are easily 15+ definitions.

I haven't come across anything like English's crazy words (run, set, go, etc. etc.) yet.

[stiff kraken]

for example abheben is my fav

to take off (plane)
to withdraw money
to stand out

[frigid tinsel]

I'm guessing "lassen" vs "machen" are the "most uses of a single word" I can think of.

As long as we don't include like, seperable verbs, or verb+preposition pairs.

[frigid tinsel]

Three definitions I didn't know for abheben. I only knew that word for "Pickup/answer a phone".

[frigid tinsel]

Be patient with yourself, especially in A1. Keep trying your sentence-making but I don't think I really gained the ability to consistently make correct sentences until I was well into A2-courses.