lost-ark-help

[leaden pendant]

or just some since the are tour missions?

[bold geyser]

now that i think of it you may need to go do the early ones to unlock the current ones, yeah 😦

[leaden pendant]

Well hold on now

We might have to do a short ad break for this world tour

[bold geyser]

😄

[leaden pendant]

The song with 2h cooldown teleports me to the blue triport r?

The one I'm attuned with

[lavish mortar]

yep

[bold geyser]

wherever you set it to

yeah

[leaden pendant]

Aight back to luterra we are

Slayer worth just for this

[bold geyser]

do you have bifrosts, too?

[outer mason]

I think at your stage in the game, you can only do level 1 of the Arkesia Tour, which is still nice, just letting you know
(there's 4 levels total)

[leaden pendant]

Bifrosts?

[lavish mortar]

alt+w

[lavish mortar]

mmm slayer belly

[leaden pendant]

Uhm

Tylobic u sure bout this toiur

the third mission wants me to go to north vern

[summer thunder]

you do realize that if you'd logged in like 4 weeks ago you'd have bypassed everything ur doing right now?
they give away a free boost to 1580 ilevel every few months

[bold geyser]

this is true, it's weird we dont have one right now

[leaden pendant]

Well I only joined back like 2 weeks ago

[bold geyser]

expect one this summer w/ the new class

[rose wren]

its slightly more than north vern to complete it all

[leaden pendant]

That's in north vern should I try going there

[lavish mortar]

you can't do that yet

[bold geyser]

don't think youll be able to dock

[summer thunder]

yea as long as what ur doing rn is for fun then it's fine
but realize that in a few more weeks they'll release something that will instantly give away all the work u just did lol

[bold geyser]

so no dice

[lavish mortar]

just go back to msq

[leaden pendant]

So I went back to luterra for one stupid mokoko seed....

Aight lets see how much this costs me to go back

[bold geyser]

[leaden pendant]

Also I found a side quest here...

Hmm

[bold geyser]

did you finish the tour step?

[leaden pendant]

short short ad break

[leaden pendant]

Well the second mission yes

[outer mason]

at least you won't have to do that later

[leaden pendant]

but third one needs me to go north vern so not yet

[bold geyser]

you should still get unlocks, no?

[leaden pendant]

Nope

Have to complete all 3

[lavish mortar]

no because they're on part 1.3 which requires north vern

[bold geyser]

oh, 1.3, not stage 3

got it

[leaden pendant]

So south vern after where I'm at?

Cause power pass wise kuzan is afterwards

[bold geyser]

south verns much later

[outer mason]

shushire after

[rose wren]

kurzan so far from south vern

[leaden pendant]

Aight I have no clue where I'm at anymore

[bold geyser]

hell yeah

[outer mason]

follow blue quest, you'll be alright

[leaden pendant]

Going by info I have I'm nowhere

[bold geyser]

are you back in arth

[rose wren]

shusire is like a off side piece of north vern since u have to return back there to speak to the queen

[leaden pendant]

that seems written wrong

Nope was correct

[lavish mortar]

you are basically a billion hours behind everyone else

[bold geyser]

ugh finally got a purple qual

[rose wren]

destory, its useless

[leaden pendant]

Aight after waling 5 times over the entire port

I finally did the sidequest

[bold geyser]

unless they've changed quals too like they have tripods it's all ive got 😄

[lavish grove]

The Ultimate Slayer Infoset

Below you can find a comprehensive list of useful information for the Slayer class. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good idea of what to expect from the class.

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Slayer Community Guide

This information was created by community members · Jun 1, 2025, 7:43 PM

[leaden pendant]

I hope shishire is last thing before north vern

[bold geyser]

yeah

and north vern, at least the part you need to do to finish that part of the story, is short

[leaden pendant]

And then I'm done with MSQ for a bit?

Till I reach ilvl 500?

[bold geyser]

oh, you

[leaden pendant]

yes me

[carmine garden]

Does everyone get these rewards?

[lavish mortar]

you'll hit 500 like 1 or 2 days after finishg north vern

[bold geyser]

actually 500 you get straight up from chaos right?

[lavish mortar]

yep

[bold geyser]

so yeah, short speed bump

[bold geyser]

when you've earned them 😄

[carmine garden]

How do I get or how to I get to that screen?

[lavish mortar]

top right by minimap, it has an icon

[bold geyser]

should be next to your minimap, if you haven't done them

[carmine garden]

Can you give example?

[bold geyser]

not from mine, but..

used to look like this, may still?

[carmine garden]

I don’t have that

[leaden pendant]

It still does

[carmine garden]

Does that mean I missed the event

[bold geyser]

have you already finished a ton of horizontal?

[lavish mortar]

then you have all the rwards from it

[carmine garden]

I’m a returning player after like year and a half

[outer mason]

it's a permanent thing

[carmine garden]

I didn’t do it

[bold geyser]

but you've done a ton of islands, etc?

[carmine garden]

Yea before I came back to game

[rose wren]

even if u done various content before, u still see it

[carmine garden]

All giant hearts, tons of side quests, mokokos etc

[bold geyser]

there may be some unlock you're missing, like a guide quest

[carmine garden]

🤦‍♂️

[bold geyser]

but its also pssible youv'e simply done everything it would unlock, so you aren't missing anything

[carmine garden]

I’m checking continents for side quests

[rose wren]

are u in a weird location where such thing dont show up by minimap?

[carmine garden]

No im in kurzan

[bold geyser]

like it wont give you stuff you wont already have gotten from doing all the horizontal

its just a catchup

[carmine garden]

Oh

Gotcha

That’s probably the case

I used to do so much collection and quests

Question

Please

As a returning player

[rose jewel]

you should still get the arkesia even if a veteran, from my understanding

but

[carmine garden]

What rapports are the best to do now for rewards

[bold geyser]

honestly they give so many rapport items away its probably easy to bomb most of them

[rose wren]

ya do sig, i had it

[carmine garden]

Yea I have ton of rapport gifts but who’s is the best to do first

[rose jewel]

besides ghin from the newest continent, whatever gives you the thing you need

[carmine garden]

Like important rewards I’m unaware of or missing

[rose jewel]

there is no wrong answer nor correct one

[bold geyser]

zeherade has some good stuff

i assume you dont need virtues

ren for adventure tome

nefer for adventure tome, i think that chest gemet has may be too?

[icy scarab]

returning player, dk what to do. I did kakul and brelshaza and am at 1505

[bold geyser]

caught up on story?

[icy scarab]

prob not

😂

[bold geyser]

need to finish elgacia before you can do kayangel at 1540

[icy scarab]

wait doing valtan rn

[bold geyser]

i meannnn sure go for it but you're quite beyond that at this point 😄

[icy scarab]

dont I have to do it for gold?

[bold geyser]

can only get 3 gold earns per char per week

and he's the worst one

[icy scarab]

ohhh

[bold geyser]

BUT the weeks over in a few days, so little harm done

[icy scarab]

then vykas > valtan atp?

[bold geyser]

at 1505 you can do brel kakul and vykas, yeah

but it should be pretty easy to get the hones to get to 1540 for kayangel

catching up on the story is the longer part 😄

[icy scarab]

it's been 3 years

[bold geyser]

it doesn't cost gold to hone up to 1580 now

not counting materials

welcome back 😄

[icy scarab]

literally dk

which ones are story

I guess the growth one?

[bold geyser]

oranges and blues

[icy scarab]

[bold geyser]

i use the other UI, but choose whichever you like 🙂

[rose wren]

ban soc

[icy scarab]

also my legendary engravings are gone?

[bold geyser]

the systems normalized to the T4 system now, so you select them from your UI w/o having nodes from gear

[vast oriole]

u never had leg engravings so they didnt take it away

what you have is the free 5x3

it got removed with the new system

so now u need to get books

likebefore

[icy scarab]

[rose jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad7xL5eSpOo

[icy scarab]

shadowhunter is still mid endgame tho?

[rose jewel]

watch that

and no

yes but no, not top dog but far from being bottom

[subtle wing]

anyone who uses re db

is this supposed to fill 3 balls?

[rose jewel]

yes

[subtle wing]

doesn't fill it on training dummy

have same tripods etc

barely fills 1.5 balls

[rose jewel]

youre clearly doing something wrong

whats your spec

[subtle wing]

1810

[rose jewel]

maybe im stupid but that should get you the whole 3

just ask in the class ch

[icy scarab]

RE is > than surge now?

[rose jewel]

yes

#deathblade

get the role

id:customize

[subtle wing]

I miss the t skill from here tho

But when I asked ppl said it doesnt matter

And doesnt fk up rotations

[lavish mortar]

that will not fill 3 balls

that's just to prestack adren

[vast oriole]

yeah i mean its written its to stack adren

XD

[icy scarab]

holy hst

I still have the original shadowhunter outfit

insane

[subtle wing]

stack adren doesn't imply not reach full orbs before using surge, does it?

[icy scarab]

also where is neria's tavern

I completely forgot

[vast oriole]

no?

[lavish mortar]

generally you pop a stimulant before fight

so you don't need to full build

[subtle wing]

yeah

Usually you have prefilled anyway from mobs and stuff

[leaden pendant]

Is that slayer?

[lavish mortar]

it's shadowhunter

[leaden pendant]

They also have a greatsword?

[lavish mortar]

no

[leaden pendant]

Is that a scythe??

[icy scarab]

shadowblade

[lavish mortar]

scythe is souleater

[leaden pendant]

I need to learn the classes at some point

[icy scarab]

what's the max level now?

[lavish mortar]

70

[icy scarab]

used to be 60 3 years ago

damn just 10 levels

😂

[leaden pendant]

70

[lavish mortar]

i mean

ilvl is waht matters

[icy scarab]

real

also there's that super op skill with a cutscene

do I just do story normally to get that?

[lavish mortar]

basically yeah

need n kurz finished + 1640

[rose wren]

hyper awkening? thats far if ur new unless u mange to play during powerpass freebie

[merry trail]

Which one should I pick?

[lavish mortar]

add dmg

you have another pet w/ demon dmg on it it looks like

[icy scarab]

im at 1512 rn

[lavish mortar]

you're VERY far away then

[livid fossil]

You ain’t touching the hyper for a while

[icy scarab]

fuck it powerpass?

[leaden pendant]

Ayo wtf happening

I look a way one sec

[merry trail]

Oh yea XD. What about between these two?

[livid fossil]

10$ for the pp or play the game through

[leaden pendant]

and we got mech

[lavish mortar]

str/dex better

[icy scarab]

wtf

why did I name my pets again this

[west valley]

for mechs

[icy scarab]

😂

[west valley]

rbgwb is for vykas g1 (twins)

that red purple is for g2

120 if iirc

still remember this S**t

[rose jewel]

at least he can have a lot more pets for a lot more mechs

[west valley]

whats ur deepdive look like?

[livid fossil]

[west valley]

oh lawrd.

better start farming cards and keep ur selectors be very active with the world map for wandering merchants @icy scarab

[rose wren]

r u a returner after merge? might have universal storage on card tab

[icy scarab]

LoS not good now? 😔

[icy scarab]

ye

[west valley]

at 18 would be better u just have holy dmg only.

[rose jewel]

?merge

[buoyant dock]

The servers have recently merged. This has moved around some items, but they are not lost.
Step 1. Reclaim your characters from the Universal Storage on the character select screen.
Step 2. Login and claim your cards on the Universal Storage tab on the card menu using ALT+C.
Step 3. Reclaim your roster storage by using ESC and opening Universal Storage.
Step 4. Re-equip your cards as they were reset and must be re-equipped.

You are all good to go!
For more information on the merge read this.
If you are looking for visuals than checkout the pins in ⁠#lost-ark-help.

[west valley]

u missed to much "get back into the game" stuff if u just recently got back

[icy scarab]

yeah I have a lot

[leaden pendant]

Will endgame dungeons also have hoverboard sections

[lavish mortar]

lol no

[livid fossil]

No

[leaden pendant]

Thank God

Was horrible

[lavish mortar]

end game dungeons are basically fight boss
maybe fight a few small mobs
fight boss

[icy scarab]

im here

[rose wren]

by the bar?

unless u got a quest active thats using the npc....

[icy scarab]

no quest in the tavern

[rose jewel]

are you even tracking the quest you want

[leaden pendant]

I'M IN A MECH??

I GOT AN UPGRADE TOO

Aigh best dungeon

[rose wren]

if only there were more new players nowadays like u, content maybe rezzed...

[leaden pendant]

I mean i understand the use of power pass

But do that after playing a char normally

[latent python]

anyone know how many shadow of karma i need to reach rank 3 for enlightment?

[rose jewel]

20 30 30?

[leaden pendant]

This dungeon feels like an actual dungeon

[latent python]

where do i find merchants in stronghold now?

[leaden pendant]

So there is a terror group who stole something very important? and we try to fight them

[edgy escarp]

Market

[latent python]

what?

[rose jewel]

market area

[latent python]

im sorry im lost

[rose jewel]

are you in your sh

[latent python]

do i need to go to strnhold hold?

[rose jewel]

well, yes

[latent python]

i type in market and only market broker show up

[rose jewel]

market area

they are all there

and they got all the stuff the rotating old ones would have

permanently

no need to wait for a million years for a random chance at something

[latent python]

im trying to do this one specfically

is this the market area?

[rose jewel]

you probably need the merchant or to level up / research the merchant

[latent python]

oh

[rose jewel]

some guides are outdated due to all the recent changes

but yes thats the area

the top 2 have most of the stuff

[latent python]

yea i couldnt find it

[leaden pendant]

Not gonna say no to this

[latent python]

ive unlocked every merchant except one

and its not her

[leaden pendant]

Huh I got a ilvl 255 item

Wasn't the cap suppossed to be 250?

Till I do chaos dungeon?

[merry trail]

How worth is this? Would I make profit if im buying this with crystal being 6.9k per 95?

[outer mason]

250 is the minimum requirement for Chaos Dungeon
not the cap

[leaden pendant]

Ahh

[spare ibex]

From what i have looked at this, it really depends on skill level / tool

[primal herald]

how do u get the big cdr buff from skolakia

[vast oriole]

first one if you stagger it

second if no one gets grabbed

[lavish mortar]

or if you stagger after a bozo person gets grabbed

[vast oriole]

true true

[plush sierra]

guys i got giga lucky, how much do you think its worth?
There is only one in market for 3.8 million

[vast oriole]

no recent price?

[plush sierra]

sadly not :c

[vast oriole]

well try 3.5

m

and lower if it doesnt sell

[plush sierra]

ty, i cant believe i just hit that

[blissful pivot]

When I click on the "Launch" button on the character selection screen, nothing happens. After about 5 minutes, I get a connection error, and the game closes. This only happens in Lost Ark.

[untold root]

how do I make gold as a a returning player @ilvl1250? something time efficient or easy to start with

[rose wren]

?gold

[buoyant dock]

Gold Sources

Tradable Gold

Tradable Gold is gold that can be used to purchase items from the Market/Auction House as well as be traded to other players.

• Legion Commander Raids
• Kazeros Raids
• Abyssal Dungeons
• Adventure Island Gold Reward
• Fate Embers (gold is withheld)
• Life Skills
• Selling tradeable items on Marketplace/Auction House.
• Content Bids
• Completing Super Mokoko Express Events (gold is withheld)
• Royal Crystal Exchange (gold is withheld)

Bound Gold

Bound Gold is used exclusively for progression systems.

• Gold Reward Chests from Una's Tokens
• Solo Mode Raids

Withheld gold is restricted from Auction/Market/Trading for 3 days

[untold root]

ty, any for progression? im overwhelemed wherever I search

[outer mason]

hone to 1415-1430 and do valtan/vykas solo to craft relic gear that you can then transfer your epic gear to relic gear

[untold root]

so just chaos dung for mats? where else can I get honor shards

[outer mason]

chaos dungeon weekly purification thing in the Alt+Q menu
also event shops top-right of the screen

[wet moss]

you should use the filters better

[vast oriole]

oh XD

[untold root]

I can't find any weekly purification in that list

[outer mason]

it's in the chaos dungeon menu

first 3 chaos dungeons of the week give you extra shard and silver that you need to claim

[patent merlin]

almost 2 week no dispatch bloodclaw, anyone knows what is the rate to get it?

[velvet flower]

I got it after a week or so of dispatch

Just keep going

[full socket]

I got it after my second dispatch

[viral marsh]

How hard is it to learn Brel HM? I am 1700 just never really bothered with it tbf.

[leaden fable]

is it more worth to hone 1585 alt or 1640 main

[swift elbow]

at what ilvl can i do knowledge transfer?

i wanted to kt an alt but i cant seem to use f2 to go stronghold

nvm i just had to do a bit of story quests mb

[livid fossil]

First 3 dispatch I got it

[turbid flame]

uh, don't put words in to my mouth, You made it sound like you refused to interact with the system at all, i.e. ZERO elixirs, and I told you that you'd be gatekept for that.

[vast oriole]

main

[vast oriole]

not that hard, theres only few differences between nm and hm (if you were doing nm ofc)

[leaden fable]

what ilvl should my main be before i pay attention to alt

[vast oriole]

prob 1660 1670

so you can start working on aegir gear and karma

personally, i was only raising alts with express

[viral marsh]

I have been doing normals every week since launch

[vast oriole]

but now they reduced the gold cost for 1580 to 1620 so its as u want

[leaden fable]

so once i hit aegir then try to push alt into t4

[vast oriole]

#raid-discussions message these are the differences, but i would still recommend to watch a video

[opal prawn]

guys, im reaching 1490 with epic gear. should i still farm for relic or save the resources to craft the ancient gear? and can i upgrade from epic to ancient or do i need to upgrade from relic?

[vast oriole]

you need relic gear before ancient gear

[rose wren]

still require to have relic

[opal prawn]

oh no.. thanks!!

[worldly salmon]

whats up guys just started playing the game this week and was wondering. Is it better to build your roster from the beginning or should I max out one character first and then make a second character?

[turbid flame]

uhhh, you can't "max out" one character easily

[balmy plank]

Make more chars when you want to play the game more. You cant max a char

[summer thunder]

what?? I thought u guys knew I did the Express event which gave me full 4/4 on everything and were saying that wasn't good enough?

[turbid flame]

I mean, you could potentially get gatekept for having luck elixirs like in that screenshot, BUT

my impression with you was, oh, the system takes gold from my relic tools? yeah, ilvls is all that matters, i'm not going to touch the system

so if you had 0 elixirs, yes, you'd be gatekept

you said it yourself, other systems don't matter, you're going to get to 1660, and they'll just see "oh a 1660 dps sorc" and accept

[vast oriole]

100% luck elixirs gets gatekept

[summer thunder]

I'm never spending gold on elixirs loll
I'll use the silver event ones I get, but spending gold on this stuff is insane 😂

[turbid flame]

I mean, hey, that's a step up from you just saying you refuse to interact with the system at all

[summer thunder]

I actually love the luck roll

[turbid flame]

the luck roll is bad though

far less damage than other options

[summer thunder]

omg

[vast oriole]

you want to stay reflux right ?

[summer thunder]

it's 2x the damage a free recast

[turbid flame]

it has a low proc rate

and you could instead make every spell do a lot more dmg

[vast oriole]

you want critical set

[summer thunder]

I want whichever class has the biggest explosions and special effects

[vast oriole]

then its ignite

[summer thunder]

I have yet for it to work on my hyper awakening, but when it does
man is that gonna be epic!

[rose jewel]

check out how much time you wanna commit to the game daily/weekly, if you got some hours a day then you can sure, but remember, the higher the alt goes "to catch up with the main" the lower the main will be overall coz alts eat a LOT of resources, each alt takes time, gold, materials etc. Play alts if you wanna invest more time in the game AND you actually like the char itself

[turbid flame]

look, Enigma, i'll be real... people here, even if sarcastic at times, legit try to help, and a lot of the time, you either A) take their help and then get an ego acting like you're the best, B) take the help then question why they did it, in a ridiculing way, like with the Unas yesterday, or C) straight up ignore the help and then act like they're just trying to sabotage you or some shit.. you can do whatever you want, but we're juts trying to be real with you, people WILL gatekeep you for various things, and every time we try to tell you that, you're just like, nah, they won't

[autumn belfry]

I've gotten good help from people in dis channel

👍

[turbid flame]

people are talking from experience, and usually, things like no elixirs, or luck elixirs, "will" have you gatekept

yet then you say dumb shit like we specifically said you had to have 5/5 or you get kicked from everything

that's a good way to get people to not want to help you

when you do shit like that

[summer thunder]

I must not be explaining my situation well enough then

[autumn belfry]

@turbid flame I was told to wait until 1610 to use these but can I use them rn at 1600 chaos dungeon

[summer thunder]

because I don't have 0 elixirs and didn't think that's what u guys were referring to...

[turbid flame]

okay, stop trying to ragebait

when comments even close to that were initially made

you had ZERO

and didn't intend to work with the system at all

[summer thunder]

I've never had zero tho...

Because I instantly got all 4/4 elixirs

[turbid flame]

okay, whatever, that's still fairly bad, and will be gatekept for it

[autumn belfry]

which 1 is worth

or just all large

[turbid flame]

I just remember when you started cutting elixirs, and within the same day, said you gave up on them

[summer thunder]

I appreciate ur guys' help, but often u guys want me to achieve the highest of the highest stats as a new player...

[turbid flame]

middle highest on avg, large for gamba

bullshit

you're also not a "new" player

you're a returning player

[summer thunder]

and it's not v practical imo

[turbid flame]

we try to be realistic, if you want to do group raids, you need better elixirs than you have

unless you get carried by dbb again

[autumn belfry]

So large for dat jumbo bar?

[turbid flame]

yes

if you want to gamble

[autumn belfry]

Do I risk da gamble

[summer thunder]

oh wow, I thought it was alway the highest to go for...

[turbid flame]

I don't

[autumn belfry]

10k gold if u get dat

gah

[subtle wing]

Are alts considered not worth now?

[turbid flame]

the return for them usually takes a while to happen

they were never "worth"

[autumn belfry]

Middle it is

[summer thunder]

I've spent 30k tokens and never gotten it...

[turbid flame]

don't listen to the people who said you had to run 6 chars to be efficient at early stages of the game

[rose jewel]

you can use them whenever, they just get you extra rest bonus, the purple ones you wanna save for later, because doing more than 3 chaos dun a week is kinda not as good, chaos is mostly for shards, but they yeeted the shards from the normal loot pool

[turbid flame]

I mean, sure, you "aim" for min-max, eventually, but i'm talking pure gatekeep, 4/4s of actual good elixirs is good enough

I don't suggest people go for the absolute best unless they already have fairly good ones to begin with

[subtle wing]

What is the loss of only pushing them for the non gold honing, and also during boosts? And onlt bound mats

[turbid flame]

you still need Orehas which take gold to craft, unless you hone them over months and months with solo shop

up to 1580 is "mostly" free, aside from orehas

[subtle wing]

Yes

[rose jewel]

alts are a very very long time investment

[subtle wing]

You also get a lot of orehas from main quest right?

[rose jewel]

because the more new content the game throws, the better the alt needs to be geared to get accepted into stuff

[turbid flame]

not a lot

[autumn belfry]

any reason why my lab lost a research slot?

[subtle wing]

Like, 1580 seems pretty easy and that is ~11k gold / week / alt

[rose jewel]

relatively easy, just takes time

[subtle wing]

For someone with his main at 1610-20 seems worth it

[autumn belfry]

Ahh

[rose jewel]

a lot of

[autumn belfry]

Crystal was carrying me

[rose jewel]

if you want alts go ahead

[subtle wing]

What a lot of means?

If ir is like 2-3 months then it is not ttoo bad

[rose jewel]

we dont recommend them because usually people want to have alts running the latest content, and that takes a fuckton of everything to achieve

like a month or so

[summer thunder]

If alts are so bad, why does @west valley have 12 alt Paladins??

[rose jewel]

only for 1580 stuck on akkan

5 weeks to get out of akkan and then honing starts costing gold

so honing them above 1580 will immediately become tragic

[subtle wing]

So 1 month to get 50k gold more per week. Seems worth to me

[west valley]

if you can afford it and want to indulge into the light (it was my choice)

you dont have to do this manner. i decided too

[turbid flame]

Enigma, when they're asking purely from a worth standpoint, or efficiency

alts aren't the way

[rose jewel]

yeah sure, due to all the nerfs they put not really long ago

back in the day everything costed gold to hone

ofc as the game gets older the old dead content needs to be nerfed

so it was not always the case

nowadays you can

[vast oriole]

alts are worth if you like to spend time in the game and like the class, if you want gold efficiency, alts arent worth at all

[west valley]

i did it for books engravings and gems

[turbid flame]

I have alts, and keep boosting alts to T4, just because I want to play the classes, idc if it takes quite a bit of time to make the gold back that I spent

but it's not efficient

I could be 1700 on my sharpshooter by now most likely, if I didn't keep spending 80k here and there to boost alts

[subtle wing]

You can always keep your alts to the point where gold is not needed to hone. Honing gets nerfed, gold income earlier raids get nerfed, gou up them again. How is this not efficient?

[turbid flame]

but I made that choice

[summer thunder]

hmm that's news to me

[turbid flame]

what's news?

[rose jewel]

because, again, people assume that for an alt to be worth it has to be around the latest raids

[summer thunder]

I was being trained by someone that felt alts are the key to success it seems

[rose jewel]

they dont think rationally most of the time

AND again

it was not always the case we have rn

[rose wren]

i just have alts to play classes....

[rose jewel]

everything costed gold back then

[subtle wing]

Then they fail at basic finance knowledge

[rose jewel]

only after 3 years and several nerfs it became net positive

yes they do

[autumn belfry]

since I did this already dis this week can I keep rerun for rewardws to get the potions or no?

[turbid flame]

back at the launch of the game, people were like, OH, you HAVE to play 6 alts to be efficient

which isn't the case

[rose jewel]

human beings are bad at things and good at other things

[turbid flame]

read the red

you already did all 3 gates

can't go again

[autumn belfry]

Ahh weekly count exceeded

[rose jewel]

and a lot of people are bad at things you thought they would be good at

[autumn belfry]

I only read the gold part

[hearty kraken]

back at the start you had to have alts if you wanted to keep up and funnel. but that was because ressources were way more limited

[rose jewel]

like, local meme, lost ark players cant read for shit

[vast oriole]

no

[subtle wing]

Just like probably at some point pushing you main to the last 10-20 ilevels is worth way less than pushing ylur alts

[bold geyser]

do most classes not care which engravings are on their stone?

[rose jewel]

see above

[vast oriole]

you never needed to have alts

[autumn belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495670684991881226/1378385411851948182/togif.gif

[rose wren]

i never watch people that do that, i just played how i like, easy

[vast oriole]

as long as its engravings that u use, any is fine

[turbid flame]

I had two chars back then for the longest time and did just fine keeping at ilvl

[vast oriole]

some engravings are better than others but thats minmaxing

[bold geyser]

yeah sorry that's waht i mean

[hearty kraken]

@vast oriole not having alts held me back hard at the start. if I had made alts from the get go I would have made argos in time

[turbid flame]

I only made alts when my two chars were parked at Argos, ready for Valtan

[summer thunder]

I always powerpass and express event my lowest ilevel character

[rose jewel]

lmao, argos

[bold geyser]

most classes wouldn't be inting by picking the 2 worst ones, if tahts' waht they have

[turbid flame]

Argos is the best 😦

[vast oriole]

the more you invest gold in your alts, the less you ahve gold for your main...

[rose wren]

fomo alert

[vast oriole]

how is it so hard to understand

[rose jewel]

when every single item was extremely overinflated to the point they costed 20x more than they should?

[turbid flame]

[rose jewel]

thats a BAAAAAAAD example

[rose wren]

i played 1class and made it to argos, was still busy

[hearty kraken]

to be very fair about those alts at the start: you werent supposed to keep on honing them, just funnel into main

[subtle wing]

There was a guy who did some calculstions here on discord and it was like 200k gold to go from one ilevel to another (can't remember exactly, around the 1620 area). With 1 char it takes 8-10 weeks. With 6x 1580 that is down to 2-3 weeks.

[rose jewel]

the thing is

[manic quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/verycat-cateat-gif-7339469281817108398

[rose jewel]

juicy express events lower that amount by a LOT

and guess what, we dont have any event right now

well yes one but at 1640

if you play 1 char and dont fomo and get an event and just hone slowly you will eventually catch up

[turbid flame]

I remember back in the day getting gatekept if you honed your gear evenly instead of having certain pieces higher than other ones, was dumb as fuck

[rose wren]

at that lvl ur earning like 100k weekly on 1

[hearty kraken]

events are what you can do for alts

[vast oriole]

i eman theres multiple people that play once char and theya re still at endgame

[rose jewel]

99% of people want to get TO THE FUCKING END END END GAME RIGHT NOW

[vast oriole]

its your choice

[rose jewel]

that's the issue

[vast oriole]

but honing alts isnt gold efficient

[rose jewel]

not everyone is like you, not everyone things rationally

thinks*

[summer thunder]

I just wanted to get to the last continent

[rose jewel]

everyone wants to have main at 5675402025 ilv and alts one lv under

[subtle wing]

It is if you hone only with bound stuff up to the point gold is not needed for honing

[rose jewel]

THAT is the issue

[summer thunder]

and I accidentally already got here lol

[rose jewel]

alts before 1580 AS OF TODAY are not the worse investment of all, it only takes the time you do your weeklies and dailies

[vast oriole]

ye and i was talking in beginning of the game when everything costed gold

[rose wren]

thats not even the final continent, theres more to come

[rose jewel]

and they can self sustain with solo shop

the thing is

[vast oriole]

yes now you can get alts to 1580 for free

more than that it cost gold

[rose jewel]

the more we say "yes you need alts go make them nownow need 6 or you will be stuck forever" the worse it gets

[vast oriole]

and no it snot efficient

betetr to focus on main unless you want to play 10 classes that u love

[rose jewel]

people fomo, they want to get everything done, "Oh if i hone an alt a bit more i get a bit more gold weekly"

"Oh if i reach here... Oh if i...."

[subtle wing]

If I focus on main that is 3hrs of playtime per week

Tf is that

[rose jewel]

fomo kicks in, people get tired, they burn up, they leave, "Man this game sucks its a fucking 2nd job"

[subtle wing]

Do I play a game to play it 3 hours per week?

[vast oriole]

you think i will ever repay the gold investment for them? nop.

[hearty kraken]

do the side content

[rose jewel]

most people here have seen WAY too many people fall off on that hole

[turbid flame]

just gotta do months of weekly raids, ez

[vast oriole]

alts arent gold efficient

they are efficient if youw ant to play the game more

thats it

thats our point since earlier

[rose jewel]

wanna make alts? in this day and age you can up to a certain ilv without much issues

[subtle wing]

Ofc they arent if you want to hone them to main ilevel

[summer thunder]

wth... why do you have so many artists??

[rose jewel]

they will take more time to take care of things, but yes they will help your main

[edgy spindle]

Hi y'all, im a returning player and I got a 1610 scrapper. Would it be better to just stay at 1610 and wait for a coming hyper express? or should I try to hone to 1640 so I can take advantage of the road to act 3 event?

[vast oriole]

because i play only supports
fuck paladin and bard pissed me off

[summer thunder]

you're not even making alts to try out other classes 😂

[rose jewel]

THATS THE FUCKING POINT, people REALLY think they have to after a while

[vast oriole]

i have other classes

i just showed main 6

[turbid flame]

If you enjoy the class, and want to do more than a few raids a week, making a second of the class works

[rose jewel]

we have no idea when the next event will come AND we just got a gold/mat nerf to hone to 1620

highly recommend to just get to 1620 and try to grab the current event for 1640, very juiced

[edgy spindle]

aight thank you

[hearty kraken]

you only need to hone to 1620. then you can get gear to 1640

[subtle wing]

Also it is pretty easy to calculate which one gives you more gold return '5 ilevel on main for 1M gold for 0 gold per week more or 200k gold for alt for 10k gold per week more'

[rose jewel]

any further questions feel free to ask, theres a lot of info pinned here

[edgy spindle]

tyty

[subtle wing]

Like, you can't convince me that tapping into 0.5% chance last upgrade on a weapon 20k gold per tap that you dont event need is more efficient than honing an alt

[vast oriole]

its at some point not efficient to hone main anymore...

[summer thunder]

where's the merchant to exchange these for next tier?

[turbid flame]

there isn't one

[rose jewel]

if youre at 0.5% you over honed

[summer thunder]

these mfs

[vast oriole]

youc an check my messages, i said few times to hone main to 1660 or 1670 and then can go alts adventure

[rose jewel]

or youre just a whale that doesnt care

[subtle wing]

Then alts become very good gold investments

[rose wren]

other games dont even have such system, ur lucky theres pieces of it

[turbid flame]

Solars / Breaths aren't countered in the tier up anyway, for T3->4

so good odds they wouldn't for T2 either

[vast oriole]

personally i dont raid on my 1640s because its useless, you get gatekept and spend horus in pf

[turbid flame]

but T2 vendor doesn't exist like thta

[subtle wing]

One clear example is how I was 1580 before Akkan release. Then it made no sense anymore to hone main, because I knew I will be able to transfer and reset chance

[summer thunder]

make sure you get 5/5 elixirs and full transcendence

[vast oriole]

i have them since ages ago

[turbid flame]

_< I never said go 5/5 elixirs, full trans yes tho

[vast oriole]

yeah but hes being a dumbass

nobody gatekeep 5/5 elixirs

[turbid flame]

I mean, that's always the case, 50% of what he does is ragebaiting

[vast oriole]

as long as u have 40 of your set, youre good

[summer thunder]

I have that... gari says not good enough

[turbid flame]

Enigma, stop being a fucking troll

I never said that

[vast oriole]

its not enough because its luck set

LUCK SET ISNT YOUR SET

its a dogshit elixir set

[turbid flame]

you also have stagger on the other pieces, no?

that's also... bad

[summer thunder]

Do you know how hard it is to get 4/4 elixirs in my set??

I've cut like 15 times

[turbid flame]

why do you think it's an investment to work on your elixirs?

[summer thunder]

got one 4/4

[vast oriole]

yes i got 40 set on 8 characters

i know what is elixir system

[summer thunder]

well maybe someone should write a guide on it

[vast oriole]

you also want this on your shoulder

[summer thunder]

because the system sucks currently

[turbid flame]

elixirs are fairly simple, just rng

[vast oriole]

there is guide.

[summer thunder]

yea a bad guide that says nothing about which buttons to press

[vast oriole]

its called using your logic

[summer thunder]

I have that

[vast oriole]

see

its good

5 boss 3 atk power would be better but ITS GOOD

[summer thunder]

5/5 would be good

[vast oriole]

no thats fine

[summer thunder]

Even spending all the time I did to get taht
I'm still at 0% progress to a 5/5

[vast oriole]

u

dont

need

5/5

[summer thunder]

there's no pitty system, incidental advancement here

that 4/4 becomes garbage if I get a 5/5

v sad

anyways, I will figure it out eventually

[jagged zinc]

[summer thunder]

at least the person that was helping me cut
gave me the advice to save my reroll till the end

that was a good tip

need to accumulate more of those and then 5/5 will be possible

[turbid flame]

or, you know, you could try for 4/4 with GOOD elixirs

instead of being a troll and saying that people told you that you have to have 5/5 or else

[summer thunder]

4/4 is extremely hard too

could still use tips for that as well

[balmy plank]

Get lucky. Its not that bad

[summer thunder]

I already have, they want me to swap for crit

[balmy plank]

Luck set might as well be vomit garbage set

You do want critical

[summer thunder]

nothing makes me happier in this game, than when I press my skill and it doesn't go on cooldown...

[turbid flame]

then be happy being gatekept for bad elixirs I guess

like, people try to help you, and your response is wel, I like this better

okay, that's fine

but don't come crying if you try to actually do group raids

[valid helm]

Skill issue

[turbid flame]

and get gatekept

[valid helm]

Become good at cutting
It’s a 50/50

[turbid flame]

sure, luck set has double procs, but they don't happen all that often, you'd get far more damage from getting every skill to do a lot more damage

[hearty kraken]

there is something about gatekeeping that you have to realize: your option could be 20% better and people still wouldnt take you

[valid helm]

Luck set is unplayable, gatekept from everything

[summer thunder]

I think I'm just going to try and get chatgpt to run statistical analysis for me for each roll
may have better luck that way

[turbid flame]

I mean, his logic yesterday was that he'll just hone to 1660, and then be insta accepts basically

but nowadays, 1660 is the minimum to get accepted regardless

[valid helm]

Just slowly read the tiles before spamming

[lavish mortar]

1660 is just "maybe i'll look further"

[valid helm]

You need 5/3

[summer thunder]

1660 is my end goal for this game

[turbid flame]

who's really going to take the time to pull out a magnifying glass and inspect my character profile and build?
They'll see 1660 sorc DPS and be like 👍

[summer thunder]

I'll have reached my peak once I get there ideally before July 23rd

[turbid flame]

The thing is

if you DO want to do party raids, instead of solo

you will need to improve your character

and people try to tell you that

[valid helm]

No books no gems to pl title insta decline

[turbid flame]

and you just twist words, and troll, and just don't listen to shit

[valid helm]

[turbid flame]

it's getting fucking annoying, honestly

[valid helm]

Can be thanos himself at 1735

Would still decline

[turbid flame]

if you don't want to do any raids but solo, then who cares, do whatever

but you seemed to want to do them, at some point

[summer thunder]

I have card books and gems

[turbid flame]

uh...

[valid helm]

Uuuh I don’t think you understand

[turbid flame]

yeah

[valid helm]

I meant level 8s minimum

And relic books

[summer thunder]

LoS 24

[turbid flame]

hi, can carry my 1640 rats pls? will be best fwiend

[valid helm]

I don’t take los30 anymore

Stb24 or declined

[valid helm]

Insta ban

[turbid flame]

fuk

[valid helm]

I’m doing my job

Gatekeep more

Yall take too many rats

It’s becoming popular behavior

[summer thunder]

That EU servers, NA East people have been much more accepting

[valid helm]

Keep that kr culture out of this western household

[valid helm]

EU is accepting, I’m just a dick

[turbid flame]

take it from someone that play on NA-e.... your current character would be gatekept super hard

[livid fossil]

Let him find out we tried to tell him.

[valid helm]

On a serious note, fix your elixir it should be piss easy to fix 40 set

Otherwise I honestly wouldn’t take you to even duo log

Let alone regular content

[summer thunder]

I've tried 15 times, got one 4/4 elixir

[turbid flame]

low roster level, luck elixirs, stagger on two pieces, t3 garbage accessories, purple hit master + mp efficiency (uwu could be wrong)

[livid fossil]

He is a achievement Andy

[turbid flame]

all of those could get you gatekept

[valid helm]

Watch a guide

[livid fossil]

He ain’t listening

[summer thunder]

I've watched every one of them

[raw notch]

so at +19 normal honing its better to do 20 to 30 Advanced honing
then when is it better to do 30 to 40 advanced honing?

[valid helm]

Are you 1700

[raw notch]

1710

[valid helm]

Do 20-40

1.5m gold for 20 ilvl

Way cheaper than regular honing

[livid fossil]

If that is cheaper lol ong

[raw notch]

oki doks
im thinking of just doing weapon to 40 AH
and armors whatever gets me to 1720

[valid helm]

If it’s your main

Just do all

[raw notch]

kk

[valid helm]

Don’t cheap out on main

Skipping AH on my alts in t3

Bit me in the ass

And others

So hard

Finish your AH

1.5 isn’t that bad

You can barely do 1 piece a week

[summer thunder]

ok guys serious question, here's the background info:

• Currently at ilvl 1640 with the goal of getting to 1660 by July 23rd
• I'm a casual returning player and I don't like spending lots of gold honing
  Should I open these T4 support chests and fully juice 1640 pulls or save for honing 1650-1660?

[raw notch]

kk tyty

[balmy plank]

Serious answer. Dont hone until you fix your chars build

[valid helm]

Ilvl is useless

Fix your char first

[summer thunder]

sigh...

[valid helm]

I’m being serious

[summer thunder]

But regardless, my goal is to get to ilevel 1660

[valid helm]

My 1620 prolly does more dps than you at 1660

[summer thunder]

that's why I gave that background info

[balmy plank]

The only thing 1660 gives you is group raids and your build is FAR from acceptable

[valid helm]

But that is pointless

[slate geyser]

Do that once you finish the prior progression systems

[summer thunder]

I just want this chest:

[slate geyser]

And you will get it.

[summer thunder]

Once i get that, then I can relax

[turbid flame]

do you care about raiding at all, or just going to stick to solo modes?

[slate geyser]

But there's no point in being 1660 if transcedence and elixirs are not complete.

[summer thunder]

point is to get the 1660 chest/reward

[valid helm]

Reward is useless to you rn

[slate geyser]

That chest is not going away until what, middle of next month?

You have plenty of time.

[turbid flame]

it never goes away

if it's the chest in their inv

[valid helm]

It does

[slate geyser]

Nah it's from the UI

[turbid flame]

ahh

[valid helm]

Not the inventory one

[slate geyser]

It will go away when the event ends.

[turbid flame]

oh yea, i'm thinking of the express chest that sat in inv

[summer thunder]

I have been enjoying 2 things currently:
Solo raiding (annihilating thaemine with ease)
Duo raiding with DBB (exterminating Behemoth with ease)

[turbid flame]

well, I wouldn't count on DBB to pity bus you every week

so

you'll need to either just do solo modes

or work on improving your character

[turbid flame]

also, his words, not mine a pity run, it was a way of means to show him growth and to celebrate his stubborn butt to progress.

[slate geyser]

It will go away 07/23

[summer thunder]

That's why I said in the background goal deadline is July 23rd

[slate geyser]

You should have plenty of time to complete transcedence, get the right elixir set and get to 1660.

[valid helm]

Bro has a full month

[summer thunder]

why is there all this talk
and 0 answering of my actual question?? loll...

[lavish mortar]

it'is a full month for 4 hones of 10% 10% 5% 5%

thta's piss easy

[valid helm]

Maybe if everyone is saying don’t hone like an idiot

You take it as an objectively correct answer

[summer thunder]

I can't get to 1660 not honing...

[lavish mortar]

and you won't get to play the game by just spam clicking hone

[slate geyser]

The answer is to save it of course. People typically juice when they are 1 hone away on that specific item, to the next ilvl breakpoint.

[turbid flame]

I mean, it also takes gold to hone, and you don't want to spend your unbound gold

[summer thunder]

I have 16k gold available atm to hone with

[slate geyser]

I believe 1660 is +15 right?

[summer thunder]

so that's why I'm thinking to fully juice, 1640 to 1645

[lavish mortar]

+14

[slate geyser]

Right. So you must be at +10 on every piece.

The odds of honing +10 to +11, etc are not that low.

[slate geyser]

I would save it when you are trying to go from +13 to +14

Since +14 is the next ilvl breakpoint for you.

[summer thunder]

my odds go up 2x by fully juicing tho

[slate geyser]

And will cost the most gold.

[slate geyser]

Yeah if you had a infinite supply of those juicing mats I'd agree with you. But you don't.

And you'll need a ton of them for advanced honing in the future.

It's not ideal to just waste them on a 10% default honing chance.

[summer thunder]

hmm

ok I think I've got a better question then, 1 sec

[slate geyser]

The books alone are enough to get you to 1660. They give a lot through that event.

But if you are going to juice, do it when you are +13, getting to +14.

[summer thunder]

is this showing the mats to get from 1640 to 1660?

[lavish mortar]

no

[valid helm]

That’s worst case scenario

[lavish mortar]

that's advanced honing

[valid helm]

And adv hone

[slate geyser]

That is not accurate for you since it is advanced honing.

[summer thunder]

ah ok

[slate geyser]

This is not taking books into consideration.

[summer thunder]

wth it's even more expensive lol

[slate geyser]

You are using worst case scenario

[jagged zinc]

turns out 20 ilvls is more expensive than 4 ilvls

[slate geyser]

This is the 'average cost' with the express event.

But again, books are not taken into consideration here

Which greatly reduces the cost.

[summer thunder]

can you plz show the above section too?

[summer thunder]

is there a way to add in books to the calc?

[slate geyser]

Yes

[lavish mortar]

with books

[slate geyser]

Luck is not taken into consideration either. Not a variable that can be considered. I usually don't look at this tool since I don't believe it's an accurate representation.

Books will greatly help you out though. And most people would tell you to use that material box when getting the next ilvl breakpoint.

[valid helm]

It’s either at full pity and its is wrong, or avg that’s 50% of all taps

Also inaccurate

My 1640 to 1660 with event took me less than 100k

Again, it varies per luck

[slate geyser]

Yeah. I don't bat an eye on the average since I am usually below it. I usually hone when I have a few hundred thousand gold and a decent amount of bound materials. Whatever you do, don't use that box until you are at the point of honing from 13 to 14.

[summer thunder]

ok so u guys are expecting me to just generate 100k gold within a month at 1640?

[hearty kraken]

thats solo. its 25k a week

and una is not included

[summer thunder]

ok so actually may be doable

[slate geyser]

If you want to hone to 1660, be my guest. But don't think you will be accepted into something like Aegir, or random pug lobbies by yourself if Transcedence and Elixirs are not completed.

[still dove]

that's so bad

literally 1 aegir hm

[valid helm]

Raids + una + life skill at t4 when prices are sky high

[slate geyser]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect solo mode to generate the same amount of gold as Aegir HM lol.

[valid helm]

You can make 100k in a week

[hearty kraken]

its a very safe solo way to get it. cant argue against that safe income

[valid helm]

Lol

[slate geyser]

But other gold generation is not taken into consideration.

Unas, Life Skilling, etc.

[summer thunder]

how is una's generating me gold?

[manic quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-anime-anime-girl-k3lly-gif-3750851433064151259

[still dove]

true that

[slate geyser]

This is how.

[lavish mortar]

you get paragon tokens weekly that you can exchange for gold

[summer thunder]

oh I thought u meant the daily

ok yea

[slate geyser]

Since you probably don't have a bunch of characters do the Chaos Dungeon & Cube Weekly Quests.

[summer thunder]

yea I have 5 characters

[slate geyser]

Then this is passive gold income for you.

If you are afraid that you won't be able to complete Transcedence, Elixirs and hit 1660 by 07/23, then hone to 1660 first.

Like I said though, you won't be accepted into parties until prior systems are completed.

[summer thunder]

that's exactly what I'm concerned about lol

I have one other character that can do Kayangel for some extra gold too

[manic quarry]

Oh boy

[summer thunder]

that's what a diverse roster looks like

not this 5 artists or 12 paladins...

[manic quarry]

Yeah I'll leave that to you, Death.

[summer thunder]

ana and dbb

[turbid flame]

[lavish mortar]

idk i hvae a diverse roster

[slate geyser]

I would work on those characters on the side via solo mode shop. Won't cost you a dime until 1580+. For any alt you care about that is.

[summer thunder]

yea that's what I do

buy out the solo orehas each week

[lavish mortar]

and nothing wrong with having 214 artists

[summer thunder]

free money

[hearty kraken]

solo shop only works after 1415

[lavish mortar]

some people just like playing that class

[summer thunder]

no it works on my lower characters too

[slate geyser]

Yeah I have 6 paladins

[summer thunder]

my goodness

that's so sad

[livid fossil]

i have 2 db so

not quite six

[hearty kraken]

wait a second...

[summer thunder]

It's like eating the same meal every day

[slate geyser]

I do that too

[lavish mortar]

some people enjoy that... stop telling others what they can/can't do

[slate geyser]

I keep things simple.

[hearty kraken]

I like eating the same meal every day

[summer thunder]

Not indefinitely...

[slate geyser]

Never really enjoyed the other support classes & I only like supporting.

[livid fossil]

i also have others

[manic quarry]

Lich have you fixed your main yet

I aaaaam waiting for results

[livid fossil]

MY MIAN 1160

1660

[manic quarry]

1668 you mean

[wet moss]

Still not full 1700 smh

[livid fossil]

it some where

[hearty kraken]

nah, solo shop is at 1415

[slate geyser]

I have to keep 1 character below 1700. I have no choice.

For the 1670, it's being replaced with Female Paladin.

[wet moss]

[slate geyser]

Can't really make a raid guide if all the footage is hard mode only kekw.

But the 1670 is being replaced.

No point in honing it.

[wet moss]

You do guides?

[slate geyser]

Ya

[summer thunder]

oh wow, do you need that mat before 1415?

[turbid flame]

yes

[hearty kraken]

yes

[turbid flame]

1340

[summer thunder]

wth

that's messed up

[slate geyser]

Yeah it's silly.

But you only have one character below that threshold.

The rest can buy it.

[summer thunder]

hopefully they'll patch that soon
I'm not spending gold on 1340 characters lol

[slate geyser]

Then don't. Wait for future powerpass/express events.

That's the way to save the most gold.

[turbid flame]

wouldn't count on them aptching that, been that way for a while

just use una gold + stronghold mats

[slate geyser]

They'll likely do another item level squish sometime in the future.

There used to be an Oreha below the 'blue one'.

Forgot what it is called, but it's no longer in the game.

[slate geyser]

Yeah.

[summer thunder]

I have piles of these...

[slate geyser]

It was used up to 1370 back in the day I believe.

[turbid flame]

you should scrap them, then

[hearty kraken]

dismantle them

[slate geyser]

I think dismantling them gives you the blue ones

I forgot.

[turbid flame]

yeah

it does

[summer thunder]

so according to the calculator
avg scenario is that I save 36.6k gold fully juicing vs 0 breath from +10 to +14

[turbid flame]

do you have infinite to use though

[slate geyser]

Sure, but then you have no juice left.

And you need to advance hone once you are 1660 I think

in terms of saving the most gold.

From 1-10.

[summer thunder]

oh now I need to calculate how many breath mats I currently have
good point!

[slate geyser]

Yeah you likely don't have nearly enough juice to use it on every tap.

Like I said, it's best to use from 13 to 14.

With the boxes/books they provide every 5 item levels.

You will be just fine going from 10 to 14.

Every one of these boxes provides more books and materials.

[summer thunder]

yea it's the gold that's gonna be an issue

only at 16k rn

[slate geyser]

If your sole focus is 1660, you will easily get there before the event ends.

I recall it being very easy.

[summer thunder]

took me 3 years to get to my first 90k gold
and u guys are suggesting that I get the next 100k in 1 month lol

[valid helm]

?

[turbid flame]

I mean, you could spend your unbound gold

the achievements not going to just disappear

[balmy plank]

Their sole focus is steam achievements. THey have 80k unbound gold but they want it for stuff like relic tools for achievments

[slate geyser]

Every one of those boxes shown above gives 10-20k gold. So every 5 item levels you get, you get extra gold and extra materials.

[slate geyser]

Oh lord...

[valid helm]

You can’t get 100% on steam….

[balmy plank]

Trust me. We've been over it a lot

[valid helm]

Even if you had 1b gold

[slate geyser]

You're going to make this very difficult for yourself if you are only willing to spend bound gold.

[valid helm]

You just can’t..

[turbid flame]

2 more days for enlighten pot bloodclaw

[slate geyser]

I have 14k hours and I don't even have 95%

[vast oriole]

[valid helm]

a lot of achievements are