#lost-ark-help

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trail musk
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I mean since you are into lolis it is your only option anyway so might as well go with that

vast oriole
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just so you know

rose wren
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just a shorter girl ¯_(ツ)_/¯

shy chasm
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Dom

rose wren
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nope

shy chasm
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Oh

rose wren
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well smudge delay to change

shy chasm
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I can't read

trail musk
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There is no limit or cooldown

rose wren
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takes longer than 0.5sec to change

valid mountain
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for some reason it doesnt let me use powerpass on my main

fallen canyon
valid mountain
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oh i think i didnt activate it but then it just crashed

summer wigeon
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I need help with a few raids to complete tasks. Can anyone help?

heady hollow
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no Ok

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but u can go here and try

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?lfg

sage duneBOT
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We have lfgroup and lfstatic channels in each of our region categories (requires region role).
You can filter the postings by clicking on content relevant tags or even 'Learning Group'.
#1051258008853807174/#1051276943619792948/#1051285338569580564

Also check out some LFG/Learning dedicated Discords:
Lost Ark LFG (International): https://discord.gg/lostarklfg
Mokoko elp (EU Central): https://discord.gg/mokokoelp
Loot Heroes (NA East): https://discord.gg/nae-lootheroes
Lost Ark Mokoko's (NA West): https://discord.gg/lost-mokokos
Mokoko Mentors & Co. (German) https://discord.gg/mokokomentors

fallen harness
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can you rapport skip from neutral to trusted in one go?

rose wren
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relic = 10k, 30 max gift = maths

valid mountain
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which should i get for artist

rose wren
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yearning only except for chaos dung

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gear converstion exist, dont worry if u choose wrong, its a free change

valid mountain
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ty

rose wren
hard steppe
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and havet found any conversion buttons

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my friend did tho

bold geyser
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theres a guide quest you may not have done

rose wren
hard steppe
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yea thats 100% the reason, i got a ton of unfinished quests

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cant be bothered to finish them

rose wren
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they arent long

hard steppe
bold geyser
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good luck shruge

oblique mortar
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i thought you get the Astray at the end of hte Arkesia pass ? i dont see a quest for it or anything

minor briar
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and get all the crew

buoyant salmon
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Can someone clarify how convic judgment works

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Do I proc it first

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Then spam dps skills

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Or spam all dps skills first

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So there all on cd

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And then try and proc conviction judgment

shut pasture
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Really you're just trying to proc the buff so that you have mana regen active just in general

minor briar
minor briar
buoyant salmon
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So how do u use it

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Slayer

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Pred slayer

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Aka spammy class

minor briar
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fc fb then u prio brutal and VE in it and awakening if u have then the rest of ur skills

buoyant salmon
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That tries to get off brutal.impact guillotine volcanic and fatal sword

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As much as possible

karmic quarry
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would that sell for anything?

heady hollow
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proc cj, use ur skills

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thats it

heady hollow
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since its max spec

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120 roll tax Ok

buoyant salmon
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Okay but what I'm trying to say is u know how convic judgment lowers skill cd

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If my dps skills are not on cooldown

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Did I just waste it?

karmic quarry
buoyant salmon
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So do I Wana use brutal , guillotine , VE , fatal sword

heady hollow
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cj does nothing for skills already on cd

buoyant salmon
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First

heady hollow
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which is why i said proc it

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and then use ur skills

minor briar
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u can not use fb

heady hollow
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at least on naw

minor briar
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if u dont wanna proc it

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then use it after the conv is gone

buoyant salmon
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So I claw

heady hollow
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proc both buffs, use skills

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thats it

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any skills already on cd

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arent benefited

buoyant salmon
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Brutal , guillotine , fatal sword. Ve then fb

buoyant salmon
chrome isle
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Btw anyone have problem with mini fps stuttering? its like vsync problem but my main is fine except one of my alt keep stutering randomly

minor briar
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it doesnt really matter for pred

heady hollow
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idk what hes talking about Weirdga but im 95% sure cj does nothing for skills already on cd

minor briar
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day

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read wat i said

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u bozo

heady hollow
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no

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cj is not that complicated, just do it, and then use skills

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its why people proc it before using awakening with dominion shruge helps with the cd

minor briar
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he obvs wants to minmax with it

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so im explaining it a bit more

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than just use skills

limber sand
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where or how can I get the channel for my specific class?

shut pasture
still cedar
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I got around 305points, how do players have almost 400points???

heady hollow
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in what Weirdga

still cedar
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Points for skills not sure what the correct namePepoCry

heady hollow
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skill points

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look up skill point guide on maxroll

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max number is 420

still cedar
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LMAO that's it?? Just skill points.... Maaaaan I tho3it had some special name

shy chasm
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And are lvl 60

still cedar
frail river
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Thinking about trying Lost Ark out. I heard a lot of bad things about the game since release, but is the game in a better state currently?

frail river
# minor briar ye its better

What's the worse part about the game? Like do I have to have 7 alts, I usually just have one character and that's it.

bold geyser
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you can if you want, or you can have no alts

minor briar
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and the raid anxiety that comes from learning all the raids in a small time frame

frail river
minor briar
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ye

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well, not just high level

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anyone can/does it

rose jewel
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like any other mmo ;D but here they do it earlier

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thus why the community tries to help the community with learning groups in learning discords

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?lfg

sage duneBOT
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We have lfgroup and lfstatic channels in each of our region categories (requires region role).
You can filter the postings by clicking on content relevant tags or even 'Learning Group'.
#1051258008853807174/#1051276943619792948/#1051285338569580564

Also check out some LFG/Learning dedicated Discords:
Lost Ark LFG (International): https://discord.gg/lostarklfg
Mokoko elp (EU Central): https://discord.gg/mokokoelp
Loot Heroes (NA East): https://discord.gg/nae-lootheroes
Lost Ark Mokoko's (NA West): https://discord.gg/lost-mokokos
Mokoko Mentors & Co. (German) https://discord.gg/mokokomentors

rose jewel
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getting friends / a guild / a static / a small community early on will help with that

frail river
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How's the homework like do we have to do chaos dungeons and guardian raids, every day? Or is that no longer a thing, also why do people do them, as homework?

rose jewel
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you never had to if you didnt want to

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rest system has always existed since the beginning of time

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you can also bypass any farm if you whale (not saying you need or have to, its just an alternative for people who has the cash and are lazy af)

heady hollow
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1580 char btw GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

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if u dont feel like it, u dont need to

rose jewel
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of course, better results doing your literally 10 minutes dailies every day, but you can just go rest 2 days play 1 day

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or be like day and dont care about it

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or be like me and dont fomo and dont even play the game for days or weeks, come back refreshed and play and have fun

heady hollow
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game is fun if u have self control and no fomo

rose jewel
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dumbass people who thinks they HAVE TO PLAY 30 ALTS OR YOU WILL NEVER CATCH UP OHMYGOD NO HOW WHY ITS THE END OF THE WORLD can just be ignored

frail river
rose jewel
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fomo has no rationality

heady hollow
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they arent missing out on anything

rose jewel
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you can fomo even for 1 emote

heady hollow
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besides doing things day 1

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for content that will never disappear

rose jewel
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OH NO MY HOUR 1 CLEAR

heady hollow
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people would rather exhaust their funds trying to do something day 1, instead of day 2, day 3, or even the next week

rose jewel
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or next month

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who cares

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no one has a gun pointing at you telling you to go hard and be ready day 1 of new content

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there are, literally, still learning raids for the first raid of the game

heady hollow
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my main is close to the very next pinnacle piece of content, but im not freaking out trying to get there GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

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ill get there when i get t here

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most people would be selling t heir shit or swiping because theyre so close

dense wedge
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hi hi, can anyone advise on currently whats the most efficient way to convert royal crystals to gold?

heady hollow
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wait for the next skin drop

marble quarry
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do you guys know how long it takes a mail to come back to you if the person you sent gold to did not accept in time?

opaque ore
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Looking for advice:
What should my priorities be to building my Surge build?

Legendary skins (only purples)?
Better bracelet (only have high spec/crit)?
lvl 10 surge gem (currently lvl 9)?
upgrade other gems to 9s from 7s?
hone to 25+ weapon?
hone to 1630?

Currently 1622.5, 100 qual weap, 40set elixir, +22 weapon (40% artisan), LOS30

minor briar
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^

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check that out

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costs r outdated tho so u'll need to recalc some

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like leg skins, gems

opaque ore
minor briar
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no

marble quarry
minor briar
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but only the gems would really be diff

opaque ore
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ok ty

minor briar
lone sigil
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That meant they took your gold mail

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And you can’t recall it

marble quarry
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no like it even usually says opened or received

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like this

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but

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the mail itself just completely disappeared

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even in the sent mail

rapid elbow
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I'm having trouble figuring out what to keep here. 1370 Wardancer. I'm already filtering out the domination, expertise, endurance stuff

rose jewel
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all legendary accesories and stones are worthless

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just equip something that have the combat stats you need and engraves and rush to 1415 for relic

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amulets just use or trash

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nothing under lv5 sells

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purple rocks are also useless

autumn monolith
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?quickstart

sage duneBOT
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Quickstart Resources

Quickstart Character/Inventory Setup by civo

Class Selection Advice Guide by Nexus Team

New Player Elgacia Powerpass Systems Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Guide

T3 Gear Progression Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Class Guides

Ask for questions and help in #lost-ark-help. (Check pins!)
Also check #1113635777004445768 and #guides-and-info for updated resources organized.
Consider reading #lao-faq and #navigation if you are brand new to the discord.
Our #new-player-tips covers an overview of the main components of Lost Ark.

ivory star
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i got book of jugements what to sue em for

dull leaf
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that's used for upgrading your ability stone from relic to ancient lv 4

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it basically just gives more hp

rapid elbow
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Huh.. no arkesia race for 4 hours which is reset so I can't do it today?

dense wedge
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Will the 4k RC breaker package still be attainable after these 2 days?

rose jewel
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does it have a little countdown on the topright

rapid elbow
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Why does this say 5 and not 3?

jagged zinc
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because you completed 1

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and the maximum you can do in a day per character is 6

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you can increase your daily limit of 3 by using +1 una tokens

rapid elbow
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huuhhhh

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I dont see one 15 mins from now

minor briar
rapid elbow
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Skills menu?

minor briar
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K

rapid elbow
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Dont see a settings in there

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oh

rapid elbow
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Is this a weekly? CAn I do it at 1535?

abstract notch
rose jewel
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its not a quest per se, its just a boss that spawns and you wanna hit it so you may get one of the drops that you see there

feral flint
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Is there A way to make presets for tripods skills from 1 mass preset to another ?

rose jewel
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the only issue is that if you are of an item level lower than him your attacks will mostly be blocked (literally 0 damage) and he does a FUCKING SHIT TON more damage to you

rapid elbow
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I need to do great captains safe things but I don't see any open seas events

rapid elbow
rose jewel
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0.00000001ilv is the same

rapid elbow
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ah

rose jewel
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under is under

rapid elbow
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and er... can I not split objectives on weekly between characters?

rose jewel
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what weekly

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context ma boi

rapid elbow
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oh una weekly

rose jewel
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each char can do their own unas

rapid elbow
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........... really

rose jewel
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........ really

rapid elbow
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ugh that's a lot

rose jewel
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?

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dont do them then

rapid elbow
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to do

rose jewel
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fill the points and dont care

rapid elbow
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how many points does weekly give?

rose jewel
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who is forcing you to do every single thing the game has to offer

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no idea

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i havent done a weekly in like 1.5 years

abstract notch
rose jewel
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but its quite a lot

rapid elbow
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seems to be 12

rose jewel
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1 char weeklies already fills half the points needed

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and it takes usually like 3 days to complete

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assuming its indeed 12

rapid elbow
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lmao I can't sell anything on market cause no gold for transaction fee

feral flint
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Is there A way to make presets for tripods skills from 1 mass preset to another ? Example : Only Mark Raid Build Skills

2nd Preset would only Mark Chaos Dungeon Build Skills

paper walrus
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just

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make a skill set

feral flint
light zealot
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how much gold does g4 hm brel give

heady hollow
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check pins

rapid elbow
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okay so basically I should just let una daily rested stack up on alts and just do their dailies as a weekly. Very unnecessary to do una daily on all

abstract notch
rapid elbow
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Dailies are good for silver? o_O

abstract notch
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Turning t3 alts into lopang slaves

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But you need bifrost keys to make it effective

rapid elbow
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I used to just leave alt logged into a daily spot, I remember now.

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Alright time to get 10k gold from my una ticket thing

heady hollow
abstract notch
rapid elbow
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Hm about 1.2k that's something

abstract notch
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1.2k ?

rapid elbow
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Ya I got 1.2k gold from the large chest. 500 una

abstract notch
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Ah - okay. I got a habbit of buying gold chests when I max weekly tokens out first

rapid elbow
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hm?

heady hollow
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its because theyre lower ilvl

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they dont get as much una gold as we do

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its fine

abstract notch
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Chests give the same : they just get less tokens

rapid elbow
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ya I'm 1535

abstract notch
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"the same"

heady hollow
abstract notch
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Yes.

rapid elbow
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I can buy about 2 a week. Got my first one.

heady hollow
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eventually you can buy 4-5 a week Ok

rapid elbow
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?gold

sage duneBOT
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Gold Sources
You can select up to 6 characters on roster to earn gold from Legion Raids, Abyssal Dungeons, and Abyss Raids.
Sources for earning gold:

  • Weekly: 3 Legion Raids (including Kayangel Abyss Dungeon) per character
  • Weekly: Una Tokens exchange for gold chests
  • Earn more tokens the higher ilvl your highest character on roster is
  • Gain tokens by completing Daily Una Tasks and Weekly Una Tasks
  • Weekly token limit is shared by characters
  • You cannot redo daily una on alts but u can complete different ones to gain tokens
  • Recommended to exchange for 500 token gold chest for chance at 10k gold
  • Adventure Island Gold reward (occurs multiple times per month, gold amount scales with ilvl)
  • Fate Ember random drop from Chaos Dungeons/Guardian Raids has a chance of giving gold
  • Life Skilling
  • Sell tradeable items on Marketplace/Auction House
  • Guild Event/GvG distribution
  • Content Bids
  • Completing Express events
rapid elbow
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gotta do my lower level abyss raid on alts..

heady hollow
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not really worth it imo but u do u

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gl finding anyone as well

rapid elbow
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im so gold starved.

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honor shards and gold are stopping me from getting 1540

granite cosmos
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What is ATD ?

heady hollow
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addicted to delight

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a title

granite cosmos
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Oh thanks

rapid elbow
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Should I not be able to do the last Tower floor 2 at 1535 on Artist? I tried the solo DPS guide for tower and used damage cards and I just can't put out enough damage to kill the boss in time.

granite cosmos
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Was checking about a drama and saw many times the word atd and tried to figure it out what it means

bold geyser
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it doesn't really matter which level you choose, people will anecdotally swear by one or another but that seems to be the pattern throughout

heady hollow
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i got a big chest into a 10k bar into a 3% artisan tap on my 24 wep

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therefor, big chest best chest

bold geyser
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i like big chest best anyway 🙂

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may as well gamba on the 10k bar

rapid elbow
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I copied hte one from lost ark nexus

bold geyser
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engravings?

untold karma
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just send a pic, always makes it a lot easier

rapid elbow
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These engravings but not those skill levels

bold geyser
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no but as long as you're in the ballpark taht should be plenty strong

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hmm

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you said floor 2?

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ill take a look

untold karma
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@rapid elbow are you using engraving support? cause if so you can mess around with your enrgavings trying 4dmg and last heavy armor3, did that on a few floors when i was doing my tower

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also do you have gems set up? if you forgot them somehow

rapid elbow
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huh

untold karma
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they should give a lot of dmg

rapid elbow
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using engraving support?

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I might have forgot to swap gems

bold geyser
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are you using engraving support?

heady hollow
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just said the same thing back to the guy twice

rapid elbow
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what is that...

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OH

bold geyser
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thats why 🙂

rapid elbow
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Mokoko express

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yes I am

bold geyser
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sorry my brain no brain rn

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doing my best

heady hollow
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just come back to it later shruge ur not that overleveled for it as a support

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idk if u have the right stats either

untold karma
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if he got the enrgaving support, he should have gotten the right accessories given by the pass if they chose the dps build

rapid elbow
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I didn't the first time I tried but I changed htem now

bold geyser
rapid elbow
bold geyser
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understandable

heady hollow
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have u exhausted other shard sources first Weirdga

bold geyser
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can we see your char sheet to sanity check you?

heady hollow
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and why are u fomoing,

bold geyser
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tryna get the last 3 hones for 1540

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i know them feels

rapid elbow
heady hollow
rapid elbow
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I'm 1535. I want 1540

heady hollow
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so everything here

untold karma
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i mean i think doing tower as you hone is a good idea

rapid elbow
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I forgot where guilds are. I applied to one

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What is pvp vendor named?

untold karma
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you wont get much from it unless you pvp quite a bit

bold geyser
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you likely wont get any at least not enough bloodstones to buy anything meaningful for a few days when the probation period wears off

rapid elbow
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I did my chaos gates. Yeah I've done those except for pvp vendor and guild shop

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I might have bloodstones from before

stiff kiln
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Hey guys
How long it takes u to get the Awakening tree? And do u get it from green or purple one?
And did u like wait all the time 5min and grow up every 5min or u just done it casually?
I am like 2 week trying to get one and no results.
All the rest wtl from quests are done.

bold geyser
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in elgacia?

stiff kiln
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Yes

bold geyser
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probably took me....50 trees? 100?

untold karma
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i got it in a few hours but i did it with a friend so we could grow more trees

stiff kiln
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Thats good idea

bold geyser
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i wouldn't sit there watching trees grow, either afk it or do it periodically as you do other thingts

stiff kiln
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I guess is good idea to have few ppl to do it

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It can go either from green and purple right?

bold geyser
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i think you can only get it from purples

untold karma
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i think we only did purple sapplings

trail prism
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if a roster hasnt done ivory it cant use event elixirs right?

stiff kiln
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Thx

bold geyser
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the tree will either turn into a dead-looking tree or the proper secret tree

stiff kiln
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Ah ok thx

bold geyser
trail prism
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yas

bold geyser
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ive only done the story ivory, never the proper raid

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and i cut them fine

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(wherever they came from shruge )

rapid elbow
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itd probably help if I applied one of these things? But not sure what to use

bold geyser
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thats a whole thing

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sec...

trail prism
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for legendary elixirs you have to clear hard ivory

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thats why i asked

bold geyser
bold geyser
trail prism
bold geyser
untold karma
rapid elbow
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i dont get it. It doesn

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doesn't let me click the tripods

bold geyser
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sec

untold karma
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click the tiny thingy below them

rapid elbow
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ohh

untold karma
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and for which ones

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the nexus guide has a section about tripods

bold geyser
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oo yeah this super sucks as a lowbie support

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i feel your pain

untold karma
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or the example build, anything that says lvl5 on the tripods you want to track

bold geyser
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☝️ ☝️ ☝️

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i see runes on the right side but they dont appear equipped, do you have runes set up for that build?

rapid elbow
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Thre's no way to track a build from an ingame list?

bold geyser
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???

rapid elbow
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like community build and progression list

bold geyser
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not an in game resource, no

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one thing at a time 😄

floral saffron
bold geyser
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do you ahve separate skill pages set up for normal raiding and for leveling?

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if not you should get in the habit of doing that now so you dont' cross contaminate your builds

bold geyser
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chaos dungeons, campaign, whatever

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story then

untold karma
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ah right, i just call mine raid/chaos or aoe

bold geyser
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soloing and for group content

bold geyser
# rapid elbow ohh

when you get the chance, if you're using page 1 of the skill tree for dungeons w/ groups, click the "2" tab at thje top of the combat skill screen and build out your chaos/solo/story/tower build there

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if you can show the screen w/ the skills and runes filled out taht would be helpful instead of trying to guess at what could be wrong 🙂

hushed sleet
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Is it worth going for level 35 elixir set effect on purple ones?

untold karma
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i think yes, but depends will you reach 1620 anyitme soon to run hm ivory for legendary elixirs?

rapid elbow
bold geyser
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great 😄 can i get a picture of your skill screen on the chaos setup to make sure everythings in order?

hushed sleet
untold karma
rapid elbow
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I dont see how to get here.. anmd it's 1 minute till bleh

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I see thep ortal but no joining one

hushed sleet
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feels like it takes so much time do elixirs

bold geyser
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for...teh siege? the boss?

rapid elbow
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Yeah

bold geyser
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which 🤔

rapid elbow
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either

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there is awall ehre..

untold karma
bold geyser
rapid elbow
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mean I elgacia skipepd orwahtever so I'd think so?

bold geyser
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nah it's separate

untold karma
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you can just go to the elgacia world boss

rapid elbow
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idk..

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I dont see elgacia alert naymore 😦

untold karma
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oh wait you wanted to do chaos gate in rowen? then probably do the story so you get access to all areas there, missing one is really nothing

rapid elbow
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only 1 person here and we're doing 0 dmg

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Israfel

bold geyser
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its very late =X

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and you're underleveled for it

rapid elbow
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ya i wanted todo theo ther

untold karma
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its whatever you can just do the next one when it shows up, just for world bosses its good to be there on time

bold geyser
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alright well if you've moved on to other stuff i'ma head to bed i was just tryna help with the skills =X

untold karma
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since lots of people do the same, and they can die pretty fast

bold geyser
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reet you're in charge until i get back

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gnight 🙂

rapid elbow
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It's day reset so no more but it's fine

untold karma
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ye its no sweat if you miss one

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i dont do all of them on spawn myself just the ones im bothered to do and sometimes when i realize its world boss day and look its right about to spawn

rapid elbow
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I'm having trouble finding a guide to floor 5 of this 3rd tower

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like is it.. tier 3 tower? still not coming up

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ah I could use ... food buff thing? does that help much?

feral flint
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Soc went to sleep but Signum may come back soon. He on at different hours 😸

minor briar
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no need for a guide

rapid elbow
#

its so hard on artist. so slow

minor briar
#

do it on ur wd

rapid elbow
#

but i got it

#

my wd is 1370

gray verge
rapid elbow
#

idk

gray verge
#

Did you get to the part where ||everyone dies|| ?

#

Or just open your Eliyabeck map and show it

floral saffron
#

he used the breaker powerpass i believe

#

so yeah it should be finished

gray verge
#

Rowen isn't auto-completed with Elgacia

#

afaik

floral saffron
#

im 99% sure

#

that the pass we got with breaker completed it

gray verge
#

Then they need to do the purple quest that's hidden in Eliyabeck

floral saffron
#

yeh

gray verge
#

Since you can't join a faction until you do it

floral saffron
#

@rapid elbow in eliyabeck in the bottom right corner of the map

#

there should be a purple quest (if rowen is finished)

gray verge
#

Should be a purple '!'

floral saffron
#

yeah

#

its a pruple quest

gray verge
#

From Rowen Zenlord

buoyant salmon
#

What does

#

35 set mean

#

Ik it's elixirs

rapid elbow
#

A faction? what's that?

buoyant salmon
#

But what makes it 35.set

#

Am.i counting the lvl?

buoyant herald
#

yeah the added levels of all your elixirs on your armors

#

glove and helm have different sets

#

crit rate crit damage

#

some other stuff

minor briar
rapid elbow
#

umm

#

but why

minor briar
#

thats rowen

#

3rd map is pvp map

#

u need to be in a faction to enter

#

and theres a quest on the first map in the bot right

#

like they were saying

quiet perch
#

it feels to me that content is dead

rapid elbow
#

ahh...

minor briar
#

for omnium

minor briar
#

very worth the dmg gain for the little gold it costs

#

like 8-10k per week for 8-13% dmg overall

#

depending on how lucky u r, can be very cheap

stiff kiln
#

Anyone wanna give me hand with Awakening tree on Gienah?

lavish groveBOT
#
The Ultimate Gunslinger Infoset

Below you can find a comprehensive list of useful information for the Gunslinger class. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good idea of what to expect from the class.

rapid elbow
#

wait... what?

#

Why did it vomit a bunch in my inventory instead of on the claim button? It's not expired there's still more steps

fringe bluff
#

servers are up right??????????

rapid elbow
#

yes

fringe bluff
#

my game just crashed loading into a chaos dungeon, i reconnected and get a server error message

#

gg

#

idk man

#

is there anything i can do in settings to optimize perfermance? Whenever i start the game it takes like 3 min to acc get there

#

in raids and whatever its good

gray verge
#

Challenge is for players that are below 1540

#

You hit 1540 so the Mokoko Challenge expired.

rapid elbow
#

Where did it even say that at o_o

minor briar
minor briar
#

with the rest of the events

#

dont tell me u didnt do any of it facepalm

minor briar
#

but dc'ing, thats just on ur connection

fringe bluff
rapid elbow
#

where do I exchange these at?

heady hollow
#

It literally is normal for this game

heady hollow
rapid elbow
#

... huh?

minor briar
#

cant

rapid elbow
#

Isn't this like 3k gold worth of stuff and it's bound to me and useless? The heck.

minor briar
#

its given to u for free

#

and if u have no need for it then shruge

rapid elbow
#

Still really sucks... I had to buy some at one tier cause bad luck, then given more and decent luck next tier and left with extra

fringe bluff
#

yah kinda just what happens... whenver an event rolls around you will have too much/too little here and there

rapid elbow
#

The other stuff I could upgrade into next tier here. Just not those.

quiet perch
#

Entropy set works only on skills which are entropy as well?

gray verge
#

No

untold karma
gray verge
#

Just on any attacks that are font/back

quiet perch
#

sunds conflicting ^

untold karma
gray verge
quiet perch
#

gotcha

gray verge
#

Also Front Attack since Entropy covers both

untold karma
#

and ofc there are tripods for some classes that remove said back/head attack modifier so entropy doesnt work on them anymore

gray verge
#

Ambush Master is only Back.
Master Brawler is only Front.

untold karma
#

not sure if that gets rid of that yellow text

gray verge
#

It should iirc removes the text from the attack, not sure about tooltip

quiet perch
minor briar
#

entropy is the set

#

not the modifiers

gray verge
#

It's also getting the boot with the Summer game overhaul.

quiet perch
#

this time for sure ^

winged trellis
#

are any of these worth keeping

untold karma
#

the swift

winged trellis
#

is harvest not good

untold karma
#

i dont think its something you wanna keep

#

the stuff you can get over harvest is A LOT better

winged trellis
#

this is what i ended up with

quiet perch
#

looks fine for temp bracelet

winged trellis
#

its my first ancient one

quiet perch
#

you aim your 2 stats (like crit + swift / crit + spec / swift + spec)+ dmg lines
like crit chance / crit multi / damage
2 stats + 1 line is fine to not focus anymore for quite a long time

lavish groveBOT
#
The Ultimate Gunlancer Infoset

Below you can find a comprehensive list of useful information for the Gunlancer class. This list is not exhaustive, but it should give you a good idea of what to expect from the class.

mellow lichen
floral saffron
#

i mean

#

its not

#

its just ue3 combined with eac

mellow lichen
#

Yea but I heard they gonna go to ue5

#

which is like 100x better

#

Only reason I say that is because I use to play fortnite and on the old engine I had like 80 fps less and then they swapped to ue5 and I had like 300 - 400 consitently

civic arch
#

i wish la went to ue5

#

but it aint that easy to "just" move

white finch
#

They almost wiped naw trying to mergeWeirdga

civic arch
#

kek

white finch
#

Careful what u wish for

hard steppe
#

what are the ways to get pheons

rapid elbow
#

When I do gear transfer it transfers skill tree tripod things right?

white finch
#

Or pay bc

#

(don't)

#

Event shop gives some now

hard steppe
#

thats so sad dang i havent gotten any further on my alt account

white finch
#

Also u can get some with amethyst shards

hard steppe
#

not a single good accessory drop in 3 days of farming

hard steppe
civic arch
#

and i play 2 6 char rosters

hard steppe
#

im gearing my 1490 alt

floral saffron
#

thats what ah is for mokokoThumbsup

hard steppe
#

i dont have any

#

gold income isnt that high either

#

im undergeared to the point when people are banning me from kakul lobbies

brisk topaz
sick citrus
#

is there any mari's shop updated calculators?

brisk topaz
white finch
#

U can also check their dc n stuff but yea never got scammed either

rapid elbow
#

Why isn't Inkrise in standard Artist recommendations, when it has mana problems?

hard steppe
civic arch
white finch
#

Plenty of bussers

#

Unless they have sussy low roster and shit gear u're prb fine

brisk topaz
#

What is even considered a low roster now adays?

floral saffron
#

everyone has their own definition

hard steppe
#

i got 6 characters and i aint playing on them that much and im lvl 104

mellow lichen
#

akkan is like 130+ for nm for most ppl as long as ur character is juiced and if your a sup dw cause the shortage is so bad it doesnt even matter

brisk topaz
# hard steppe 100-150 i suppose

i got 5 but i made the 2 easy towers on x4 chars, and story on 3, with 500 hours im 151. because of the new pass i will be 1600 with that roster.

#

unless i wanna story up on multipel more chars, i wont gain much roster xp from here

mellow lichen
#

If you find a guild or people to play with gatekeeping isnt an issue

brisk topaz
#

i might just end up story blasting after i reach 1600 on main, so i can raise it. better safe then sorry, even tho higher roster dont means more skill, just that you spammed story+tower alot 😂

mellow lichen
#

Yea roster litterally means nothing its more a verification of playtime check

#

But if your tryna do 1600 content dont bother with rasiing that roster unless you like that grind ofc, just find some chill people to run it with the game is 100x better

floral saffron
#

thats exactly what it means

#

it means youve played the game for longer

mellow lichen
#

exactly

#

has nothing to do with skill

brisk topaz
mellow lichen
#

yea i can see that

#

like im doing elgacia for the 6th time on my pally, but I rather him get that exp and elgacia story does give lots of cards

brisk topaz
mellow lichen
#

yea

granite cosmos
#

what's the npc name to go to upgrade this?

red void
#

there is an npc in every major city

#

symbol looks like a leaf of a tree(blue-ish)

#

press m to seach for it

granite cosmos
#

nvm found it npc name is processor

junior beacon
#

anyone, can i change mode in legion raid ?

edgy lance
#

from normal to hard you mean?

weary whale
#

on a DPS, would you reroll the crap mod, or both crap mod + expose weakness?

junior beacon
edgy lance
#

yeah, but only on a gate basis

#

as in you can clear g1 hm g2 g3 nm

hard steppe
#

what is this thing

edgy lance
#

the questline for esther weapons

hard steppe
#

oh i see aight ty

lament mural
#

i saw they are implementing a server transfer ticket in KR

#

do you guys think they might make one for NA EU

dense wedge
#

anyone knows where is this fishing spot?

lament mural
#

voldis

#

on the bottom right

dense wedge
#

thankyou!!!!

quiet perch
fallow acorn
#

is trancendece timing consuming in cutting? like elxlirs or way faster?

grizzled sapphire
#

whats the guardian after caliligos called?

edgy lance
#

hanumatan?

grizzled sapphire
#

yup

#

thanks

#

forgot the name

untold karma
#

is there a lot of difference in profit between fishing/excavation?

quiet perch
#

Im yet to see hard numbers, peopel assume excavation is more effcient cos bots dont do it and its higher effort by design.

#

I personally fish, but tons of ppl actually dig - while party finder.

untold karma
#

ye idm doing either personally but most of the decent spots for excav are somewhat populated when im trying to do them

#

so was thinking of maybe getting better tools for fishing

floral saffron
#

excavating = faster but slightly less efficient mat:oreha ratio

#

fishing is somewhat long but is a middle ground for mat:oreha

#

and hunting takes the longest but has the best oreha production

untold karma
#

so woudl hunting yield the most raw gold? i mainly wanna see which one is the most profitable to sell, not crafting orehas atm

#

or would making orehas just increase my profit?

floral saffron
#

last i checked

#

all the mats are giga cheap rn

#

but idk i just stronghold farm mats

untold karma
#

ye i got a lot of those when i was doing that so im using those to craft orehas if i need them 😄 i just wanna make a lil more gold cause right now i got the time ot lfieskill on main and alt roster

#

man i still wish amazon/smilegate gave us the api for out version

marble sky
#

will sorc be good after wednesday

untold karma
#

gonna be better afaik, its good right now, main change i think is that doomsday falls faster

hybrid willow
#

we get improved in many ways

#

dmg, meter gain, range/fall time/cd of doomsday what helps with 2nd doomsday

#

more crit rate

coarse vigil
#

hone to 1460 - knowledge transfer to elgacia for gold - buy voldis power pass for $ (now discounted because i finished elgacia) - get free 1520 gear
this still works, right?

maiden locust
#

hi how many cloth do u need for 1 tap on bozo jar

balmy plank
#

14

ivory star
#

i got to 1540 gear levle yesterday

maiden locust
#

weirdo.

vernal skiff
#

sorry guys, I'm missing the last chapter of the arkesia tour and I should do the "heart of Giant" quest but the quest doesn't appear, I remember having done it with the main one but it doesn't give me the complete one, do you know how I can solve it?

ivory star
#

just odig nsome continets to get more virtues

#

and guess i wil lgo and continue doign some gear honing

rose jewel
balmy plank
rose jewel
#

i bet its something like tabula rasa but god knows

vernal skiff
rose jewel
#

hmm

vernal skiff
rose jewel
#

have you checked the pre reqs

#

have you checked around the place

vernal skiff
#

I don't see the quest from the NPC and when I go down the books are all raised (therefore giving me reason that I had completed the quest with my boss)

balmy plank
#

Guys its a reward for 14 giants hearts

timber mauve
#

No, since we’re a partnered discord we can’t really help you find ways around the ToS.

rose jewel
#

ags agent

#

guess ill just delete my commets for if

#

:D

timber mauve
jagged zinc
vernal skiff
vast oriole
#

i could complete it when i have 15

rose jewel
#

i dont have the last heart and it seems complete for me

#

idk why people have that many problems out of nowhere ngl, i never had any

balmy plank
#

Maybe I was wrong

#

But it also took me 20 seconds to google for this

vast oriole
#

yep

vernal skiff
#

the fact is that the Heart of Giant quest doesn't appear to me at all, it doesn't come out completed but I can't even do it, but I did the previous quest, I have 10 hearts

balmy plank
#

Have you actually gone to this location?

vernal skiff
#

perfect guys I solved it thanks, there was a bug that nothing appeared to me

rose jewel
#

...?

vernal skiff
#

I went out and in and it was resolved, thanks

bleak tendon
#

why does my una weeklys only have 27 coins rewards?

jagged zinc
#

It's based off the highest ilvl in your roster

ebon mesa
#

is sending gems to someone and paying them gold for them to reroll it for you against the TOS?

jagged zinc
#

No

ebon mesa
#

you know where i can get this done?

#

I have no friends TT

jagged zinc
#

There are a lot of people who do it

#

Make sure you get collateral before you send your gem off though

#

I know several guild servers who do it, it's pretty common there

ebon mesa
jagged zinc
#

No we don't even play in the same region

ebon mesa
#

oh right nvm

bleak tendon
jagged zinc
#

Can you send a screenshot of what you are talking about

bleak tendon
rose jewel
#

ah yeah

#

screenshot for ants

#

anyway wait for week reset

bleak tendon
rose jewel
#

i and o are next to each other

#

it was a legit typo

jagged zinc
#

Did you just recently get your 1550 character

bleak tendon
#

sure lol

rose jewel
#

and im drinking, typing with 1 hand

bleak tendon
#

yh

jagged zinc
#

It takes a week to reset the coins

bleak tendon
#

made alt acc few days ago

jagged zinc
#

So starting next week it will be higher

rose jewel
#

it takes to week reset*

#

not a week

hybrid willow
#

it changes on wednesday

bleak tendon
#

ty ❤️

ivory star
#

so sicne iam 1540 gear i dont need to do the belsaza legino raid

#

or do i

jagged zinc
#

You don't but you should

ivory star
#

i got gear tier 3

#

from the powerpass

#

am at 1540

#

and got 7k gold atm

jagged zinc
#

It still gives you the most gold and materials

ivory star
#

ah ok

#

it has no resrt eyt

#

legio nraid imean

#

i know abyssal dugneo ncangive me bracelt for 1450

#

lvl

#

i mean 1540

#

was jsut odign some continet stuff colelging virtues

#

points but doing daily chaos dungeo natm

#

and the n ithink i will do more honing

#

shouldi hone the gear to +20 or swap to new set

#

at +15

hybrid willow
#

u hone to +19 and u go akkan for new set

ivory star
#

ah ok

#

als o i never did adveture tome and now i relaised its good to do to get more poitns to be bable to rapport

vast oriole
#

Yes

shy chasm
#

Turn on your autocorrect

ivory star
#

cuase there is few characters i like to rapport like niveneh and black fang

vast oriole
#

Nineveh*

ivory star
#

yeah

vast oriole
#

Then do adventure tome

#

Or at least the hidden stories

ivory star
#

and it gives me things to do after i finish my daily and wekely chaos dungoens and abyssal daungons

vast oriole
#

They give decent stats

ivory star
#

i do vista,hidden stories and hiddent quests

#

oh and monster hunt

#

will continue adventure tome after i finsih my daily cahos and raid

orchid holly
#

What is Akkan Shop?

jagged zinc
#

legion raid exchange

orchid holly
#

ooh

fallen canyon
#

?lfg

sage duneBOT
#

We have lfgroup and lfstatic channels in each of our region categories (requires region role).
You can filter the postings by clicking on content relevant tags or even 'Learning Group'.
#1051258008853807174/#1051276943619792948/#1051285338569580564

Also check out some LFG/Learning dedicated Discords:
Lost Ark LFG (International): https://discord.gg/lostarklfg
Mokoko elp (EU Central): https://discord.gg/mokokoelp
Loot Heroes (NA East): https://discord.gg/nae-lootheroes
Lost Ark Mokoko's (NA West): https://discord.gg/lost-mokokos
Mokoko Mentors & Co. (German) https://discord.gg/mokokomentors

manic pendant
#

hey! im new! at what lvl or when can you join raids or pvp?

shy chasm
manic pendant
rose jewel
#

?quickstart

sage duneBOT
#

Quickstart Resources

Quickstart Character/Inventory Setup by civo

Class Selection Advice Guide by Nexus Team

New Player Elgacia Powerpass Systems Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Guide

T3 Gear Progression Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Class Guides

Ask for questions and help in #lost-ark-help. (Check pins!)
Also check #1113635777004445768 and #guides-and-info for updated resources organized.
Consider reading #lao-faq and #navigation if you are brand new to the discord.
Our #new-player-tips covers an overview of the main components of Lost Ark.

rose jewel
#

?lfg

sage duneBOT
#

We have lfgroup and lfstatic channels in each of our region categories (requires region role).
You can filter the postings by clicking on content relevant tags or even 'Learning Group'.
#1051258008853807174/#1051276943619792948/#1051285338569580564

Also check out some LFG/Learning dedicated Discords:
Lost Ark LFG (International): https://discord.gg/lostarklfg
Mokoko elp (EU Central): https://discord.gg/mokokoelp
Loot Heroes (NA East): https://discord.gg/nae-lootheroes
Lost Ark Mokoko's (NA West): https://discord.gg/lost-mokokos
Mokoko Mentors & Co. (German) https://discord.gg/mokokomentors

rose jewel
#

you may wanna read the guides and go to the discords listed to get parties easier

acoustic ledge
#

Can you remove these tattoos from assassin? Cant find the tab

rain charm
#

those tattoos are only in specific skins afaik

fallen canyon
#

is there like a spreadsheet for like materials needed for the punika gear, relic gear and etc?

minor briar
#

or in game

#

no real point for a spreadsheet if theres a calc

acoustic ledge
fallen canyon
rose wren
#

its pretty simple to know what it is

torpid marsh
#

c1/c2 in g2 akkan stands for Corro, right?

fallen canyon
#

relic tier 3 and epic tier 3 has the same mats?

trail hawk
trail hawk
fading coral
#

with the positional callouts for vykas, does 11-2 mean the clone at 11-oclock and second orb?

livid fossil
#

hump back oil sitting in my inventory collecrting dust any one know what i trade it to in notes

bold geyser
#

you need at least one of them for an island soul or some such, but you get them from several different sources which is dumb

floral nest
#

any way to farm roster xp? im like roster 18 i need sum

bold geyser
#

just playing the game

#

playing through the tower and running quests are the densest sources probably

bold geyser
bold geyser
#

is there a new chaos dungeon level coming soon?

vast oriole
#

yes, 1630 with thaemine

bold geyser
#

😩 that's too much

glacial scarab
#

how different are Akkan NM & HM ? I know NM but idk if i need to join learning lobby for HM

vast oriole
#

theres an entire new boss after akkang3

#

would be good if you would go into a learning party

glacial scarab
#

yea couldnt find any, is g1-g3 much different?

vast oriole
#

theres some differences

#

should watch a guide, im pretty sure they say the diffs between them

floral nest
#

this quest doesnt exist for me, and my other quest tells me to go to this port. what ???

timber mauve
floral nest
#

its not in my guide quests.

#

oh.. i have to do follow up quests

#

😭

#

sigh

rose wren
livid fossil
#

if the normal guardian only will give me one will the challenge give 2 souls

rose wren
#

nope

livid fossil
#

ok

rose wren
#

1620 soon higher

timber mauve
#

Combat level? 60
Item level? 1655 as of now

bold geyser
#

***combat level 1620 💪 💪 ***

wary lintel
#

that's like 1560 more than the limit

rose jewel
#

we gonna go the dragon nest way

#

with numbers above the trillions

#

?quickstart

sage duneBOT
#

Quickstart Resources

Quickstart Character/Inventory Setup by civo

Class Selection Advice Guide by Nexus Team

New Player Elgacia Powerpass Systems Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Guide

T3 Gear Progression Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Class Guides

Ask for questions and help in #lost-ark-help. (Check pins!)
Also check #1113635777004445768 and #guides-and-info for updated resources organized.
Consider reading #lao-faq and #navigation if you are brand new to the discord.
Our #new-player-tips covers an overview of the main components of Lost Ark.

rose jewel
#

hmm

median ibex
#

Has anyone created an update gold tracker to include Thaemine?

rose jewel
#

let me try to look for the specific one

#

the guide is so outdated .-.

#

i guess this is the most relevant one

#

tldr tho

#

but before, a question

#

did you use the pass or are you gonna go manual

#

the powerpass

#

the instant boost

#

free ticket thingy on your mail

#

was it an orange ticket on the mail

#

then did you end up on a city with people with wings or w/e

#

press M

#

name of the city

#

should be Ereonnor

#

or something

shut pasture
#

Where are you ingame right now?

rose jewel
#

you can just throw a screenshot of where you are

#

we can pinpoint the city

#

so you did not use the pass

#

and you just got to combat 50

#

that's Arthetine

orchid holly
#

Are all potions roster bound?

rose jewel
#

specifically, scraplands

orchid holly
#

Like hp pots, destruction bombs, dark grenades etc

vast oriole
rose jewel
#

skips the story up to the "Elgacia" city, so like 85% of the whole story up till now

#

gives you armors if high item level

shut pasture
#

It also gives you 1460 ilvl

#

Yes.

rose jewel
#

but

#

another question

#

do you enjoy the story

#

or you couldnt care less about it

#

well yeah because you already did the story up to there i guess

#

do you really wanna keep reading

#

or do you just wanna skip skip

proud kraken
#

Does doing quest like piecca wtc give char exp?

rose jewel
#

skip it is

#

and before tradegy happens

#

are you enjoying the current class you are playing

shut pasture
#

Do you have anything available in your mail or did you already collect the ticket and put it somewhere?

rose jewel
#

all classes are good

#

anyway good enough

rose wren
#

no dreadful class

rose jewel
#

do you have any more characters

#

nvm

#

there it is

#

use that thing

#

yeah like, not how it works

#

if you right click it, it just gets added to your account / region

#

then you go to char select screen

#

then use it from there

shut pasture
#

Yeah then you need to use it on the character of your choice

rose jewel
#

per region

timber mauve
#

You can buy as many as you want

rose jewel
#

1 for free, but you can buy more

timber mauve
shut pasture
#

You can buy more, but this particular one is free due to the release of Breaker.

timber mauve
#

They’re pretty expensive tho.

shut pasture
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Everyone gets one, and you can't hold onto it indefinitely as it will be removed, even if you have consumed it, when the event ends in July.

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The event one, yes

rose jewel
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event yes

rose wren
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ofcourse

ivory star
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i treid the new abyssla at 1540 item level

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did not even get thorugh the firts boss

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we only got him to 60 healthbars

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and he went berserk

shut pasture
ivory star
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yeah

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it was my first time running it

rose wren
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seems norm

shut pasture
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Kinda normal then

vast oriole
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no

ivory star
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for some reason when itried joinign otehr groups they declined me

timber mauve
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Just questing and that’s about it.

rose wren
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lose on some cardpacks

shut pasture
rose jewel
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questing, main story

ivory star
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other groups in general

rose jewel
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but you can do main story on another char if you so desire

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story is per char

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then fuk it

ivory star
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this are my current gear stats

rose jewel
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you're ready

shut pasture
rose jewel
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?quickstart

sage duneBOT
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Quickstart Resources

Quickstart Character/Inventory Setup by civo

Class Selection Advice Guide by Nexus Team

New Player Elgacia Powerpass Systems Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Guide

T3 Gear Progression Guide by Icy058

Maxroll Beginner Class Guides

Ask for questions and help in #lost-ark-help. (Check pins!)
Also check #1113635777004445768 and #guides-and-info for updated resources organized.
Consider reading #lao-faq and #navigation if you are brand new to the discord.
Our #new-player-tips covers an overview of the main components of Lost Ark.

rose jewel
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read those

vast oriole
rose jewel
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wait

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before you go

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please

ivory star
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where can igrab it

rose jewel
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for the love of everything that's good

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press the skip button top left

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whenever you see it

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very big

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either top left or just bottom of the list

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if you dont you go into a recap of the story

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it lasts like an hour and something

timber mauve
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The power pass has you replay key moments of the story. It takes a bit. Skipping that well… skips the story which I’m assuming you wanna do.

rose wren
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pet cool tho

ivory star
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wil ldo my daily raid

rose jewel
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and people always go "why im not 50 im in luterra"

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they didnt press the very big button

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a minute after

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cant be missed

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gl soldier

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i have high hopes in you not missing it

shut pasture
# ivory star this are my current gear stats

Yeah you need to pick up a bracelet from the Auction House, just get a Relic one with like 80 of the main stat for your build. Also this is why you need to be doing Learning groups first. Which, for clarification, you can continue to try and clear so long as your group is willing to continue. There is no failure limit.

shut pasture
paper walrus
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because shiny yellow button that says continue

vast oriole
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yes

rose jewel
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you can come back for those later

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they are a permanent once per roster thing

paper walrus
rose jewel
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but they are mostly useless

rose wren
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i would do 2nd 1 for pet but up to u

shut pasture
rose jewel
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mah boi

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what is the key word i told you

rose wren
rose jewel
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its not that they miss it

shut pasture
rose jewel
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they dont even read the thing, they mass shift g, or they just ask after 10 seconds of walking around

paper walrus
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shift g and not actually knowing what they did

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even though what they did was go to surface

rose jewel
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the "How do i go back to the sky" is a valid question

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or is it

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do they teach you that as well

rose wren
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yep

shut pasture
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The song to do so is indeed brought up

rose jewel
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im gonna start to ignore that question then

shut pasture
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Thats a North Vern Powerpass, you get two. One for completing the North Vern story, which I guess you have not done, and another for using that Powerpass. They are boosts to level 50 and 500 ilvl.

bold geyser
shut pasture
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To be used for alts

rose jewel
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technically

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he already finished vern story

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with the pass

shut pasture
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That is what I meant

shut pasture
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Yeah

rose jewel
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im cunfision

shut pasture
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As in they had never done it before

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i.e they got to level 50, then didn't continue in Vern after that

rose jewel
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he did said tho that he reached lv50 before and came back

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but the char was in another server

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soooooo

bold geyser
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doesn't matter what you pick, you should wear the correct armor though

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you can swap freely between them

paper walrus
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you can swap them