#lost-ark-help
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eventually getting alts to 1445 for relic gear is what everyone does in KR
depends on How long you plan to keep playing.
cuz once you invest to a certain level, its going to be pure profit after a few weeks of grind.
so just a preference imo.
maybe there's better math
I was planning to push two " mains" because i'm a support player, so bard + paladin, and use dps alts as eternal argos slaves, unless i'll have more materials than dignity, to push them fuirther
Yeah, normally people chill at 1445 m.
So i have main 1477, pala 1445, and everyone else chillin at 1370
Many hardcore players push to Abrel tho.
yeah with the relic gear the class becomes way more fun to play
Tho right now i need stable income source, and getting alts to relic gear not only would ctake money, it would also cut my income
you would need 1490+ characters for the new upgrade mats
for start at least
Till this i have enough time, brel is not coming this or next month ( i hope
), and as f2p player i'm trying to do what i can to support my main character, Not really interested in gearing 6 fully functioning characters unless it'll be really needed
abrel wont be out for at least 4 months or so
if you need gold just dont upgrade and do raids etc
you can already acces all content in the game
even clown
Only on main,
I would like to access clown on paladin too, and then i have no idea if just forget about upgarding alts, or
It takes 7 weeks to complete clown set, so it’ll be at least 7 weeks after clown launch.
you have 2 months to get your paladin to 1475
Hi, character that i use power pass on, i can’t do the main story after vern? Bcz I cannot see the blue mission icon
And i only have 50k gold with 4x3 bard / 4x3+1 ( depends if i select drops of ether or awakening{playing as spec bard, so my normal swiftness paladin have same cooldown on ulti w/o awakening engrave, as bard with it, so i'm not forcing this engrave when i have party which can collect drops})
so i kinda should invest in pheons --> accesories/stones soon
4x3 is enough for clown
especially with the support shortage you wont have any problems finding groups
It's not about being enough, because in that case 3x3 on support would be fine
it's about being useful for party, and not just pressing shields / damage buttons
isnt that what support does anyway?
Kinda 
but always support can do this better with more engraves
I mean support should shield and increase damage, while my job in my party is being healer, so i'm kinda handicapped in using my own utility, so i would like to repair it with engraves slighly
usually i need to cast heal off cd, and we clear hard vykas this way 
How much does it cost to skip all the way post punika story if you buy it using IRL money?
LOL
Well after bard 4x3 and pally 3x3 you really don’t notice it that much
50$
Damn thats a lot lol
If i go with drops of ether, i have 4x3 desperate,ha,expert,drops + awakening 1, and if i go with awakening, 4x3 without drops,
i would like to have both of them
even if i spite awakening being so much useful on spec bard, it's still better to cast ulti per 2 minutes than per 3.58
I get the idea but I really do not feel anything different going from 4x3 to 5x3
Also i would kinda like to eventually change drops/awakening into spirit absorption. Running spec makes my ms and counters really slow, and this is something i would feel
True spec without spirit absorption is pretty bad
And no, i'm not running spec bard due to budget, i'm running it because it's more my playstyle, so
i guess, it takes like a week to get to tier 3 by playing, so 50$ to save like a week of time isnt that much
add either ac folder or lost ark folder in steamapps to exclusion in windows defender, that fixed my problem in the past
elgacia story is 1460 ilvl right?
Also is there any way to earn stable money other than weekly stuff/ crafting stuff from stronghold/use trade skills and sell mats?
buss
support main 
you could 3 man bus argos or something
with 2 dps friends
you could sell honing mats if your not planning on honing anyway
That's one problem,
I don't know if i'm not planning on honing, even if not on mains, maybe i should at least boost my alts to 1400 or something
if your planning on honing alts you should just go to 1415
here we go back to my first question, wouldn't that cut my income?
when do we get global honinh buff?
I would lose (how much it is? 900 + 1200 without buying chests?) gold from abyss dungeon, and i would need to buy chests from legion raids for start,
maybe for the first few weeks but when you have your relic gear you will make big profit
Also there is one factor called " i have pepe hands and i have no idea how to do damage"
we got it this big update
time to learn

t1 and t2 are 100% now and 1302-1370 is way easier
or have a full roster off supports
Sadly i have 6 characters r.now, and 4 of them are dps
If there was option to change class, i would make 5 palies, some of them maybe for dps, and one main bard
i mean you can just do that now no?
wdym? how
deleting char and creating new one using powerpass is one of options tbh as i thing about it
yeah
Getting a new character slot and keep them on as yoho/lopang slaves is also an option
I would need to buy char slots 
and i'm f2p to the bone.
Also i have quite a lot of bound materials that would be gone
... What exactly i receive from express and pass
👀
have you not done the express yet?
anyone has an optimized route for farming the mushrooms in yorn for the cooking?
its worth to delete a character and do the express on a new one just for the books lol
I'm considering deleting sharpshoter and creating maybe not dps paladin
do it
Pally alts are stupid efficient
I mean i'm much more comfortable and having more fun on supports, and i think i won't have trouble with getting slots, so
how so?
People take you with rainbow stats and no gems
true
And no heavy armor and 3x3 is so free
I have this on my sharpshot,
i only have 2x3 lol
Just a few stones and maybe one or two accs so pheon cost also stupid low
it all would go to waste if i would create new char.
400 leapstones, for 200,
punika Powerpass works now, or still in state of pizdec?
not yet
For example I’m bard main so I have leg awakening and epic expert books
So I just need a 6 3 expert awakening stone on pally and argos/oreha accs with blessed aura 3 to get 3x3
And if I don’t get expert 6 I just buy a blessed aura 3 expert x accs
So it’s like 20 pheons and negligible amount of gold to gear a pally alt
i made 4x3 on my pally alt with relics really cheap but the pheon cost 
can you do valtan and vykas with 3x3?
yes if ur a supp they will take you
On pally yeah
cool
Then when powerpass will work, i'll delete my sh and create pally,
Vykas not sure but valtan 100%
I'm quite cool on my deathblade so it may remain,
sorc is also quite fun so can stay,
and my deadeye is someone i would also like to abolish,
tho we have no more passes?
I'm not gonna play from north vern till south vern again, and knowledge transfer and stuff takes too much money
delete GS or deadeye
deadge eye
gs?
Gs and deadeye make terrible alts
make another sorc. every GS and deadeye is a sorc that you didnt play
Could be handy to have a glaiver or destroyer on hand
Glaiver is a god in equalized/normalized content and destroyer makes stuff like tower remarkable easy
Hi, any1 knows whats the spawn time for the atropos black merchant?>
I mean i'm only not feeling it with deadeye(pistoleer) and with sharpshoot(too immobile in my feeling, i'm getting knocked always when i cast snipe)
But there's only one pass to create another pally yeah?
bruh you are a support. you can do p3 argos at 1370 ilvl people are desperate
good thing im 1385 haha
yeah only 1 powerpass
Also there's no way to use bound leapstones/guardian shards in any way to apply them into account?
some cheesy upgrading weird stuff to destroy etc?
it doesnt matter you could be 1370 and play only with 1 hand and you still get auto-accept into groups
You can be support who cannot put shield on vykas when (s)he casts aoe after failed typecheck, and people wouild still invite you
the supports ive seen on my normal valtan runs... if whole west wasnt so desperate for supports id block them just for signing up
You play pally with two hands?
do you see pally among my classes? 
i chose the hard way and decided to play dps 
or falling down map because you have no push immunity
I have to play "co/op magic melody" for a quest. does that mean I need to find another player to join me?
nah, that means that everyone in instance can play this song, and it'll add participation point
and instance need to gather certain amount of participation points to pass co/op encounter
it's not worth buying grudge books even though they're cheap right now if i only have 3, maybe 4 main dps characters right?
no its worth
I believe grudge is good 5th engrave, not earlier, so i can't say anything about grudge
grudge is the best money saver if you are not supp main
well it's a huge investment comparatively right?
At supp getting awakening + class will save you ton of gold on accesories, yet books are expensive
only gets cheaper if you have al ot of dps chars?
I would rate grudge as second or third priority tbh for most dps.
no its not
most dps classes have other higher prio but in the end 90% of dps classes will end up with grudge
as a 4th or 5th engraving..
Not a big deal if you don’t have it right now tho. Getting books will make it a lot easier to gear with it.
there are things like all out attack improving cast speed, adrenaline improving crit, and stuff like this affecting this and that,
and grudge just boosts damage while making you more paperous,
While many people using grudge just quickly saw maxroll and got an idea " Hah, those engraves are for pros, i'll use them"
Same as some supports i've met running awakening 3 and not using awakening single time
Generally 1-2-3 on prio are ENgravings without negative effects, unless your class mitigates those negative effects, like Gunlancers mitigate grudge, etc.
Classes like igni sorc/pistoleer deadeye, who should run spec, but need crit for effect, can go for crit affecting engraves too, making them more valuable than grudge
I wonder what engraving can you take that would be worth down the line as an Igniter
And dont say Precise Dagger, Precise dagger is garbo 
igni
all out
hit master
precise dagger/ cursed doll
cursed doll/ grudge
Also KBW is bad on Igniter, on Igniter you generally run for your first 3 Igniter, All-out, HItmaster (no negative effect) then add Grudge as 4 and for 5x3 you go Cursed doll
can someone tell me why i can't go with the boat here, it says that i only can go available parts of ocean
If you are such a whale and have 9/7 stone i'd add Adrenaline for 5x3+1
Left side of map is on other sea, and you need to unlock it through quests
im trying to do rohendel and they don't let me go
whale and 9 7 stone hmm
You didnt do the guide quest
which one?
Does Sacred Charm remove the Fear debuff from Valtan?
Does holy grenade removes horni on vykas?
I am in a bus for a hour now, and the 2 guys keep dying because they get fear and die
which colour is the quests to unlock that part?
you can spacebar to not get feared
Purple I think
okay, ty buudy
it should be called [Guide] A New Voyage
The talisman does tyoo (the red paper idk what its called on EU)
but only for 1 guy also just ask for money back and get better bus drivers wtf
got it, ty
Yeah guess I’ll ask them to refund, though I’d bus Valtan because it’s almost reset argh >.>
if it's the gate 1 fear mechanic in the last part of the fight, that can't be cleared with anything
get your gold back get better bus
these are some fucking Pepegas that charge probably a full price when they dont know how to bus
Yeah that one
It was cheap tbh, 1.5k
it's not your regular fear, it's advanced fear 
isnt that normal price for normal mode valtan?
Idk people charge 2.5-3k on EUW 🤣
also for argos
(to be precise it's a debuff that has the flashing red border around it, which means you can't dispel it with sacred charm or purify or w/e)
jesus bus drivers are vultures
the argos prices are so bad too 
Yeah
which challenge abyss card pack has solas
Without fear and reproach
there is a 1370 paly with 4x3, i wonder how much he payed for that
it's the 2nd one from the top. you can also use ALT + mousewheel to scroll and check cards
Taken from the January 31st livestream, this is an in-depth walkthrough on the card system. Something persistent right from the get-go, the card system is a long-term function of horizontal growth that you'll be working on steadily over a long period of time. Check the Lost Ark Handbook below and skip to the card section for additional details o...
Nothing to worry about now?
anyone know where to turn in "Delta Merchant's Referral" in Atropos?
it's just trash, you can sell it to an NPC for silver
Hey what do I do after yorn
oh LOL okay good to know
even says in the description
have you checked your guide quests?
ty, idk why i thought sell it to the shop meant something else
just got confused. ty all
Yeah I did it's just I've been following the Speedrun to tier 3 guide this whole time
So I thought there would be islands opened up or some route to follow to get more materials
If I just have to grind guardian quests or something ig I can just do that
speedrun to t3 should include the important t2 islands like azure wind
if you followed that speedrun guide then you probably did all the tier 2 islands
speedrun to t3 includes all islands that give you t2 mats
should i gear transfer to the higher quality gear
@normal reef ty
Oh so now I just
you do dailies and hone to 960
Grind dungeons?
to start feiton at 960, after feiton you grind to 1100 to start punika, after punika youy grind to 1340 to do svern, after that you just grind and grind and grind
Oh ok where do I get star breaths
mostly cube though i think
waiy you dont need that, all honing is 100% success chance for t1 and t2
It says 50% chance tho
30/50
t2 is 100% chance now
it's 100% now
you have not replaced your gear with t2 gear
last update added 100% chance to t1 and t2 with Arcana
don't hone past +15 on t1 or t2 gear
what gems do you need on paladin?
cooldown on everything basically

yellow skills being more important than blue skills
what skills need dmg?
none lol ur support
birth of zdps paladin 
should i gear transfer to the gear with higher quality ?
is it better to buy cheap cooldown gems from other classes and reroll with silver?
Usually no, but also dependent on gem level
Level 7's ill reroll a set amount of times depending on my silver. But if I dont get it in X rolls Ill just sell that one and buy the one i need
if you are t1/t2 or early t3 then no
lvl 5
ok ty
it costs nothing to push to 1370 so transferring gear is a waste of silver
paladin cooldown gems are more expensive
Level 5, prob would reroll with silver
I just funnel all my alts to whatever alt I’m trying to gem. Then I reroll whenever i get enough gems.
yes because people need them
you play RU? 
you have to fuse them to convert to your class gems so it's going to cost extra depending on your rng, before you can even start rerolling it
euw
i thought i found RU server colleague
liar
whats the next continent in the western version? and what ilvl is it gonna be?
Rowen 1445
After that Elgacia 1460
thanks, is rowen a pvp continent?
yes
rowen is no content 
where is Peyto?
you can search the Peyto location using the search bar on the map
is the "optimal" 1415 gear honing better or worse dps than straight 15's?
worse
I want to park this alt at 1415 but I also want to be doing decent damage when using. (arti)
can I run chaos dungeon alone with 328 ilvl?
is it ez content? because I can't find a party to get in with
I remember someone crunched the numbers and cheese 1415 was better attack power than all-15 but I can't find the post
thats because there are no partys for that, its meant to do solo
1415 cheese honing is just straight up better than going +15 all, unless you pick the wrong pieces to +17
You can MM/PF, not worth though
If i want to play minimally, and have a full roster of alts, is the best use of time chaos dungeons?
Found it, confirmed - thank you for the insight!
#info-dump message
play with rest bonus
I am playing with rest bonus. I was just wondering if chaos dungeons or guardians are more useful?
both
chaos has higher value but can't sell the leaps, guardians can take longer but you can sell the leaps, if you can't do both pick whichever one seems more valuable to you and just do 2 characters a day
@sand chasm ty
does anybody have any idea when the class changes will go live?
bruh they are not live on KR yet
ill take that as a while

is the powerpass screen broken for everyone?
powerpass is disabled until further notice no one knows when it comes back
darn, thank you though
they said in the forums that theyll have an update on that sometime this week
yea their last update was that it stays disabled and they are sorry
i have my expectations set 
how much fangs and veins do i get from my first valtan clear ? both gates
check pins
do I need to save stone of endurance or I can dismantle them ?
You can dismantle them if they're no good
how is good determined 😅 ?
Usefulness
I mean, how do I know if it's good for my class
!builds
Class builds are pinned in class channels
More info in #guides-and-info
Did they add pvp rewards for those who seek to gear in it/progress in it?
yes, 3 months ago 
@sand chasm how are they relevant?
they exist, if you somehow enjoy pvp and will do a lot of games you can get decent mats... if you only do pvp you will be 1370 forever 
i dont think the rewards are viable as only source of mats for upgrades but they are decent as addition after your pve dailies are done if you got nothing better to do
That's very cool for me at least, I don't exactly plan on going too much higher, will depend on my experience from now on
why? 1370 is where the end game begins
some people dont care
you got people in early t3 just collecting mokokos and island souls 
i wish i was that person when i first started playing lol
@maiden locust I have to do some time management so I can't say I will be able to progress above 1370, maybe with some rythm but slowly
And I'm also influenced by opinions I heard from the game, close friends and people on the internet talking about how end-game kinda sucks, is grindy and somewhat repetitive, I can't be sure of their opinion until I get there
Sorry for wall
Yeah, also want to avoid burning out, I believe this game has potential, so maybe going slow for now until things improve is the strat
i get it
Mmos are always grindy at end game
Agree, but the amount of gold to grind here seems kinda dumb, not being able to transfer upgrades at end-game kinda sucks too, that seems to me like artificial progressing
But every MMO has to rely on that a bit, as I said I'll only trully know once I get there
Transfer upgrades?
you can always transfer upgrades
you can endlessly grind chaos dungeon and get the shards right?
Yeah but the rewards are meh @hot wedge
Someone had told me you couldn't after a certain point, or you lose most of your progress, like it goes back to +1, idk for sure
I just got to the choice of Ignea, Paragon and Carpus, is it relevant?
that is a good thing, otherwise you would be honing at like +35 with 0.5% chances
hello anyone knows how i can access lost ark korean market on https://lostark.game.onstove.com/Market
from europe? i tried with a VPN but it doesnt works, it says im registered from another country
Idk about that
your item level does not drop when you upgrade, you don't lose progress
The reset of lvls is good thing indeed
And also it doesnt remove any progress
Cool, that seems like a good thing for me to find out
I just got to the choice of Ignea, Paragon and Carpus, is it relevant?
what's the question they're asking
i have to get to 960 power lvl now what should i be grinding?
probably irrelevant because I don't remember it
oh it's not a choice, the dude is quizzing you 
Lmao
Can only the character running this express claim this finish reward?
yes
wait nvm it's not even that, he just wants to tell you about all 3 guilds
Chaos dungs, guardian raids, get all from event shop do your weeklies
i havent unlocked the higher teir g raids yet and no one to do low tier with me
matchmaking or find a guild that will carry ya
I assume you didn't do islands yet so you should do that and you'll be t3 today
should give you enough mats maybe to hit t3
if you do all the t2 ones
should be more than enough so don't open all the boxes at once
are level 1 raids meant to be done solo?
no raids are ment do be done solo but you can
they can be done solo, i think they intended for people to group for them though
super casual player that just hit 1385. Is there a way to matchmake for argos p2? I’m a bit confused with all the find party group names
The match making is taking forever 😦
lower level guardian raids are just empty because the majority of the playerbase is past them
party finder and type p2 in search bar
if you matchmake it's most likely only p1
is there any use for these
craft stuff in stronghold
what stuff
Feels like most are doing alt runs?
yeah most people have advanced their mains over that level
I'd recommend you join a guild and run with them
anything, check crafting Station and you'll see
?? what you mean by anything
Hey guys i'm doing a DH alt and i was wondering what is the best between raid captain and keen blunt for the fourth engraving? already have adrenaline, demonic impulse and grudge tyvm
is it 7-8, or 8-9 ghl's from kungel?
literally go to your crafting station and check, you can craft pots, bombs, fusion material, feast
Raid Cap for budget, KBW for bis
why can't i use the books? its a lv14 preordained diligence and the book is in my inventory
7-8 afaik
yea im asking what uses only fish
Haha lol
are you sure you have the right book
i have literally thousands of fish that i cant use
doesn't fusion material require fish?
lostarkcodex
:))
oh ur right im blind theyre all weapon books 
i wanna know if i should knowledge transfere and do the good side quest
or wait for powerpass to come back gonna be till vern and the character im gonna use it on will be my new main (paladin)

oh you were talking about those 2 specific fish types
yea i cant find a way to use them
yeah it's just deadge fish you cant use
scam ass farm
I didn't quite understand your question here
how come all the bots have a mokoko next to their name
what dailies are best for leapstones?
There’s the mokoko buff for all new accounts. Check patch notes for more info on the mokoko buff and what it includes.
max amount is kalthertz, alakkir, hypnos, min time is 2x feiton 1x hope island or autocomplete
i do the 3 in feiton now
Any generous friend to PL my alt on p3 argos (euc) can give you back wednesdy >.>
Wait whats the cheapest way to push 1490 alts? (+18 weap with 21 armors?) | +17 weap with 21 armor?
i was on euw played shadowhunter till i completed rohendell then i found out about how death euw is so i switched to euc made a mage rush vern
but wanna main paladin
and since i cant use the powerpass because yeaaah disablled
i thought use the knowledge transfere thingy
but still wanna know what decent side quest i missed in term off rewards
how long does growth support event lasts?
damn why you betray euw like that
because alot of people told me euw sucks
it does i will give you that but still
damn im thinkin about doing it with 200 hours
I'm now on 1400 hours. 
ohh
anyone have the first time raid clear normal/hm rewards + regular rewards after?
how long did it take to get back to the same point you were when you transfered
probably 200hrs 😄
So I was spamming this one structure in stronghold to level up. now that it's at the limit. what do I do with the extra structures that are in my inventory?
It took a bit less due to the events that were running at that time. I would say 150 hours. It wasn't great but I knew I was going to play this game for the long term so it would be worth it. I really have no hope for any region merge ever.
yeah i was like 50 hours in when i did it
my main is only 1385 but i really dont want to do tier 1 and 2 again lol
but i just wanna know
if powerpass gonna take a while to get back and i do the knowledge thing till vern what side quest would i wanna do
all of them
since im sure there some that have good rewards
is there a way to add a 3rd tripod onto my gear?
legendary gear should have three pods
where can I find people to do Argos P1? nobody joins lol
lets say hypothetically I it now didnt
i should leave my weapon at +9 as a paladin with the cheap 1415 right?
Newbiw question How much it costs on average going from +14 to +17 on armor?
Just one piece not the whole set
cause I had my 1370 purple gear from chaos dungeons that only have 2 tripods each and I saved them in my tripod inventory thing right and wanted to transfer them to my new argos gear I made that had 3 slots and now it made it have 2
all gear has 3 slots, just transfer onto the 3rd slot
okay, whew, so im fine I didnt mess up my argos gear
but i just wanna know
if powerpass gonna take a while to get back and i do the knowledge thing till vern what side quest would i wanna do
Sup, where i can create a quickslot for mount ?
i really dont wanna stand still and do nothing so any help please?
Farm rapport, farm mokoko's etc
If your guild doesnt complete a weekly task for example its 200/500 do you get at least the credit for what you did? or is it more like of a 0 or 500 no inbetween kinda thing?
you'll get the previous level rewards but 0 for the current level
so half assing it isnt worth it unless you can complete the level
as support you need to hone chest and pants before helm and pauldrons right?
thanks
is there also one for stats boosting pots or skill points or something?
yeah that's what's recommended since chest/pants is more hp/defense
the honing order for supp is exactly the opposite of dps honing order. chest > leg > helm > shoulder > glove
sure but once you get powerpass those will autocomplete for rewards
if u wanna do them they have a chain link in the symbol
yeah so idk if i should wait for powerpass to come back
theres better things to do with ur time than those sidequests probalby
or knowledge transfere and just sidequest
idk how imporant the charisme or whatever is
probs the pots that give perma stats for combat should be worth right?
if u wanna spend ur time doing something then do the adventure tome
adventure tomes are under resources
my priority would be weeklies > daily unas > 2x chaos > 2x guardian > adventure tome
for beginners throw in maxroll speedrun to t3 guide and fastest 20 island soul guide
Anyone know where I can get/find my jukebox?
but arent the skill points potions really good to have?
sure but u will get them for free once powerpasses come back
i would be very surprised if it took longer for powerpass to come back than to get the skill pots
quest in stronghold
if u really wanna do them then theres a maxroll guide for that too
if you main supp you can get by with less sp for now because almost all of our skills for supp builds don't benefit much or at all from being leveled past 10
you should still do the easy ones and also the ones that don't get completed by powerpass though (which are the ones that are from islands, not continent-related quests)
Only have chef and dispatch quest and lady in the front has this
ur the best
everything u wanna know is on maxroll
so yeah just do the knowledge thing do the side quest worth doing
and just complete tomes when not doing the main quest
can you get free yorn pass?
No
i would do those before adventure tomes or any other horizontal content
theres kind of a lot of hours of work for new accounts
its important to prioritize
hey :) is it bad if i stack atk power reduced on my bard? or are there other, better negative options for bard?
yeah okay so knowledge transfere new main
do the giant heart
guide and then the island tokens then start main story again?
do the speedrun island guide and hone until yorn
also how hard is it to get 600 gold? so i can start the knowledge thing and start
none
600g? depends on where you are
it takes a while in the beginning
just rushed vern completion
i have to pick one though for my stone
Tbh, the free mokoko stuff and maybe a few islands should give you enough mats to juice to t2.
Only open the boxes as you need them so you can transfer them to alts.
what is knowledge transfer?
u have to do unas tasks for gold, ancient elveria and the gold adventure islands
are cube runs a weekly lockout?
south or north?
north
You need a cube ticket. If you have those, you can run as many times as you want.
no clue then :/ i just know u can get it easy after punika with rapport
tyvm
Guys I have my main at 1400 and my alt at 1340 what is better to push my main to 1415 first or my alts to 1370
I would push your main to 1415 and maybe one alt to 1370 if you can.
i would probably hyper express main and push all the way to 1460+ first before alts
Hyper express gets you to 1370. After that, it gives enough mats to maybe make 1385… 1400 if lucky.
If you don’t really have an issue with gold, I would push main to 1430ish first. If you need gold, I would push an alt or two to 1370 before main.
Also it depends on how many bound leaps you have on your alts.
1430 gives vykas access which is good since it's weekly lockout
you wanna start farming the vykas mats as soon as possible since it takes a while to finish the legion raid set
I don't even have gold for 1415 even if I sucsses every time
1430 is also a huge jump in gold, 9,3k in total from weeklies without buying chests
then alts t0 1370
https://i.redd.it/jwvxk3gtiea91.png do the math
Yeah, I would push alts to 1370 first if you need gold. After the honing buff, it isn’t that expensive.
So last answer one 1415 or 2alt 1370?
1370
I would push 1370 first since 1400>1415 is almost no increase in gold.
its basically the same with gold income, not sure about mats
you just said you dont have gold for 1415 lol
You get relic, so you can maybe drop a 40k gold acc. But good luck with that.
where can i craft argos gear? :)
Abyss crafter or something.
ty!
i still think it's better to invest in main even if you have to go slow
I don't have gold for 1370 either what I meant like in 2-3 weeks or so
get in a friendly discord guild and get 1430 vykas access and you are set
it does take weeks yeah but it takes weeks to get the gold back from 1340 -> 1370 investment anyway
nope, doesnt work like this
there is a minimum ilvl requirement for literally everything
Is these a quest for relic set conversion or it just unlocks upon acquisition of enough mats?
meaning you cant do vykas (normal mode) before reaching 1430
Ok.. I thought it was like arogs cuz I have guild they clear arogs p3 for me
yes for argos you can let yourself get boosted
you arent locked out from doing p2 or p3 when under recommended ilvl
no more busses after arogs?
Nah, you can still bus Valtan and vykas.
cool
Only g2-3 hard vykas, g1 hard is impossible to bus.
for the forest of giants card you get on entering tortyok, does that shit work like a solas run or can you just go there on a passed/knowledge transferred character and get it?
Check #980218181111148555 if you want one.
I just recently went back on my stronghold and still no jukebox
Currently stuck in this
You talk to the person next to you?
what part of the quest are you on
I have used the item before and It's probably bugged or something
Oh so I need to complete that in order to get the jukebox
yep
suffering from success (no idea actually)
if there's a limit, it shouldn't be at 200
i have an error loading the transcript for applying to be a bus driver. could i get some help please?
try #request-a-mod. not saying you can't ask for help here, but this channel is usually related to ingame help
to get gold on harmony island do i need to do all 3 co-op quests or just the last?
thank u, i just scrolled down and noticed the channel. so many channels 
For Nia rapport is the daily 30 items limit for a single item or you can only use a max of 30 total rapport items in a day
Single item and 99 items max per day
I have a 5/6 KBW/ADR stone and in order to get 4x3 i'd have to pay for at least 1 3/5 accessory.
Should I just save up and waste 10-20k on 3/5 accessory or try new stones? got around 230 peons..
You can see if you could get a 4/3 for cheap instead of a 5/3 to get a 4x3 with your 5/6 stone
How much argos blood do you get for a full rerun? :)
20
20 blood if you buy the chest for a p3 run, 11* if you don't
11 if you don't
ty ty
O damn. Thanks guys!
What + do I need on my gear (all even) for 1400 again?
12
I get a powerpass for punika but i cant use it. Does anyone know why?
I dropped this guy earlier which is pretty solid
powerpass is currently disabled
Ahhh si i can use in when there enabeld?
I tried building in a planner using this one and the DI/HM ring i got
but ring is 3/2 DI HM
so maybe i'll just ditch it as well and buy 4 accessories
yeah, the 2 makes it oof to build around
my stone is HM/ADR, would it be better to trade KBW to grude?
I am confused, my argos screen says exceeded weekly gold limit but I didn't do it with all my gold earning characters yet, is it limited to less than the 6 I have declared gold earning?
what should i do with my punika power pass if i got no character to use it on and cant create another one?
it'll say that message when you did 5/6 characters because of a bug
should i delete a low ilvl character and remake him so i can use the power pass?
you can just powerpass the character without remaking
if you don't plan on playing this character and you have a better option that you'd like to try then why not?
butyea, if you do want to play this char.. jst powerpass it
nah, i mean for example i got a 560 gunslinger and dont want to waste gold for transfers. should i delete her and make another gunslinger so i can power pass her?
yeah, grudge is a really good dmg boost and doesn't need a condition or a certain amount of stats to make it good and you can always slot back in keen when you go 5x3
you could just use the punika powerpass on her...
not right now though because powerpasses are disabled
though going for 5x3 would be much later when i'd have 2x legendary books lol
i think u can only use powerpasses on lvl 10 characters
well that's not true so
nope, i've used a powerpass on a char in the middle of yudia
if thats so then u save me 😄
I powerpassed lv 50 chars through the punika pass
when will the powerpasses be enabled?
i had a t1 gunslinger that i didnt want to waste gold on.
so i just powerpassed her with punika pass and put the event on her
for sure, 4x3 with DI/HM/Grudge/Adre is a fine placeholder till she's get to the point where you want to go 5x3 or have the spare funds to do a 5x3 on her
nobody knows, just watch #announcements
ok, still thanks a lot 🙂
so grudge over KBW?
hopefully i'll ever even make it to 5x3 lol, i'll have to farm peons for that
Yeah
thanks :D
Someone tested it for me and it went up. But someone also told me it was at 200 and it didn’t went up when he did.
you will also need legendary books
yea i wrote that earlier xD
Take your time with it tbh
yea i am going slow
i am playing since launch and only 1415
Not bad
Yea
can we purchase the (F1) Healing Potion with gold? or is sliver only item?
only silver can buy silver with gold tho
where is the best place to farm high teir Healing potion? i guess south vern?
Just buy them with silver.
i mean i farm the south vern ones
the elites spawn pretty quickly and the potions are almost guaranteed drops
Is this why I dipped to 1.9k silver two weeks ago
buying a 9999 stack of healing pots.... for if
i just farm punika bananas for healing pots 'cause i still haven't finished it
I just buy everything 
just be rich
healing pots are so god damn expensive i would never consider buying them for silver
even the rich have no silver 
From 1370 getting 3x +17 armor is the best way to 1415 still?
People generally recommend 2x17 4x12; you can make two of the 12s a 11 and 13 if you want
is cd worse than grudge?
yeah ofc 😄
because I saw it's cheaper 
for a reason
first of all, grudge is multiplicative and CD is additive, second, grudge is 20%
it's for my alt anyway, cheaper better 
are PowerPasses still disabled?

Keep an eye on #announcements
wtf is this
Gotta get steam trusted. Enable 2fa if you haven’t already.
is there amap bvendor for rfit fragments for south vern?
Yeah, same place where you buy t1 maps in north Vern.
i have
After your first purchase to get steam trusted, it takes a while, maybe a few or more days, to get it registered.
Otherwise, contact steam support.
ive been using and honing the gear since i first started chaos dungeons but at what point do i find new gear to hone cause couldnt i just focus on this set of gear forever
Bots
the rift piece exchange?
it's to combat gold selling related to chargeback fraud
Yes
Wait so do I complete all 4 purple quests on serenity isle if I want to rush for these mats?
you change gear at 600 after doing yorn and at 1100 after doing punika
And I have to complete those 2 dungeons and then come back to it? Or do I do one by one and come to the isle 2 times
https://lost-ark.maxroll.gg/island/serenity-isle follow the maxroll instructions
i think you can just do the dungeons 1 after the other without coming back to the island first
Morai Ruins is actually submerged ruins?
morai is the one in yudia
ooo i just hit 600 but havent started rohendel yet
maybe its called submerged i dont remember
then you should work on story
Ah its Morai, its cuz the name of the place is submerged ruins
i see thank you for info
you may just be able to buy the next fidelity set in auction house, not sure if you need to finish rohendel first
fidelity set?
what's an efficient ilvl for a non-gold alt?
Quick question, how many Valtan bones total do I need for full 6 set of Yearning for Pally?
can't check cuz I'm in Valtan bus right now
25 bones 40 wings
i think its 35 bones 30 wings
it is 35 bones 40 wings 


has to add up to 75 
O wep is 25 right
for adventure tome boss do can i only do 1 a day or after I do my first boss and got loot from it can i do a different boss to complete my adventure tome
Uh, a silly question but... How do I clear all class roles from my name here? Since I'm doing multiple chars, not just one.
and can't list more than one class
is there a head attack card set?
I believe you can simply go back into the #navigation channel and click on the reaction again to clear them each individually.
Not currently
Ok got the roles removed, thanks... Can't decide which char I like the most so I had like 4 mains listed lol
Just quick question tranfere knowledge time keeps ticking even if ur offline right?
yes
Okay good
Guys what is the "recommended" way to handle the skill tree transfer? How would I approach this system efficiently? Would I dismantle all +3s and wait for +4s?
has any1 else's game been randomly closing without any error pop ups recently?
it's been fine for the most part the past few days but today it just keeps closing
You want to get as many as you can to 3-4
So it's more like you start in reverse by adding the +4s first and filling the rest ones with +3, right?
Would that mean that +1s and +2s are basically useless and can be dismantled?
either try to get two 4's on each gear piece for your main/core skills if they're not expensive/overpriced or go for one 4's on each gear for your core/main skill/skills with a 3 if possible with save transfer
Ah i see, makes sense
does hard chaos line gives higher chance of getting omnium star?
so just spam normal then? thanks
Is it worth it to buy gem chests or just lvl 1 gems?
Not really you want to get every level 1 and then try for level 3 if you have if not level 2
an argos p1 and a p3 would be enough for 5p right?
you mean one week p1 and then next week p3?
ye
it's 12 blood each piece of armor so 60 total, you can see how much blood you get in the spreadsheet in pins
if you want 5p it has to be exactly two p3s (+ first clear reward)
🚌
should i camp los 12 on my yoho alts or keep lostwind, it's a sorc and zerker, pala and bard too but they dont do damage either way
What can I do in my tier 1 n 2 materials cause rn I'm in t3
u can sell them
at 1385 its better to do velganos or yoho?
Why is the store not letting me purchase Crystals?
or transfer any transferable into roster storage
for atls
The store is not working for me. Wanted to purchase Royal Crystals
what is the actual issue? what happens when you try
When I pick the 12k and click "BUY NOW", it does not take me anywhere. It remains as is
turn on steam overlay
Gotcha let me try n
help me pick between sharpshooter glaivier and soulfist
none of them imo
looks like you might have to also restart steam or your pc after enabling steam overlay
I just closed steam
Why is it cheaper to do +17 armors on 2 pieces for 1415
Thank you 🙂
is gathering worth for money?
you get triple the ilvl increase per level after +15, and it just costs less on average to do that instead of +15 another piece
at what point do i stop buying the argos p3 box?
Any chance your friend RMT'd? This is considered 'Cheating'. They amped up the severity. 4k gold = 1 Day about. (e.g. 120k = 1 Month)
when you stop honing forever, or when the value of gleaps on market drops to like <10g or something
sounds good
So I am stuck on this. No more cyan missions why?
that's where the story ends so far, 6/7 arks and south vern
Oh so thats a bug?
no the story isn't complete yet
hmm what do I need to do
nothing
literally nothing
literally nothing
because you can't do anything
cry on the forums for more content
you cannot get 7/7 arks because that content does not exist in the game
I don't mind that
that's even better for me. I was falling asleep asleep on some of the story had to finish it quick hehe
its time to upgrade these fancy gears on Gunslingers
pretty much the same sentiment as most of the community lol
what does this little arrow mean plz
if you click it it hides the bottom part
What's minimum ilvl needed to hit thunderwings? Probably will get 1460 before getting Moake star, but just in case I get lucky
1415 iirc
is there any manor buff that affects battle hp potion chests(crafted wjth stronghold farm materials)
i got punika power pass but when i go to character selection, the character i want to use it on shows its eligible for power pass but when i click powerpass, the punika power pass won't show
powerpasses are disabled
for now?
Yeah, should be getting an update on the situation this week
thanks for the info, i haven't played this game for almost 2 months now
Np, welcome back 
are people getting frequent client crashes?
no
whats the blue water aura around some ppl's ships?
most likely skin 
ah gotcha
anyone on EUC could boost me x2 guardians 1302 ilvl ?
does the price for gear set conversion increase everytime we do it?
a bit late of an answer but they haven't released the 7th ark into the game yet, it's only in korea rn
nope once you get 55 mats each you can freely do the conversion
anyone know how much the price increases for each purchase in the t3 chaos shard shop?
hey man, wth is v-sync i bet nobody knows what that is
i recommend turning it off, it caps your fps at the same rate as your monitor
but that usually causes fps to go under the refresh rate of your monitor
Hi, do anyone know we can trade inside argos? I know we can use Ah/mail inside
you can't since it's in a cross-server instance
is there anyway to get more leapstone beside ship merchants, maharaka, and una task ?
Some of the one time vendors, like anguished isle, or chaos line vender
Oh and guild vendor
Is it better to buy leg class than buying class accessories for the future? even tho the accessories are cheaper than buying all 20 leg
depends but class + 'necessary' engravings accs tend to cost a fortune could be 50k+ buying 3 of them would cost more than buying legendary class books for some classes but if you're legendary books cost more then its up to you and how you'll build your engravings
Question, guys. Not sure what these 2 checkmark options do. I'm trying to figure out how to track tripods but not count the tripods I already have installed.
Like if I have Heavenly Blessing tripods at +1, then I don't want gear to show "tracking" if it has Heavenly Blessing +1 on it which I already have.
just uncheck "mark low-effect gear"
my understanding is "low tier gear" is useless because we only have t3 tripods, and "mark low effect gear" marks gear that is equal to or lower than your equipped gear
so yeah just uncheck them and it should be fine
Thanks, will try that
so with the tripod update will i get the knowledge from things in the second third or fourth inventory or is it just the first?
Everything you have in inventory will be permanently saved
thanks
guys, if im 1460 is it acceptable to run abyss normal to help a friend or it's still better if i run hard one ? despite the fact that i dont get gold in both modes
the second one as soon as u equip it, it becomes bound to you and cant be sold i guess
dont think it matters, both can drop legendary cards, idk if drop chance changes
you do get a few greater leaps and some chances are some decent accessories but your not really losing out on to much
but it says it can be traded again?
if they can't run hard then you can't do hard, if they can do hard just do hard because normal is useless to them
If you don't bind it, you can sell in AH, and people will see it as Tradeable 3 times, and won't need to pay PHEON for it.
If you bind it, it'll still say tradeable 3 times, but upon listing in AH, it'll say it is 2 times tradeable and will ask the buyer 10 pheons extra.
Not bound ones tend to sell for more, because buyer doesn't need to pay pheons.
Is tonight reset?
tomorrow
So tonight?
so it "can be traded 3 times after binding" the unbound one?
In 28h 33m is reset
Thanks
Exactly.
how do you get legendary report chests?
when valtan spawns the orbs that explodes, can you take more than one orb?
no it would just force the aoe that happens when you miss an orb
what was the cheap way to get 1415 again? all level 12 and 2 items at +17?
what's a better set for damage on bard, charmign or betrayal?
doin low lvl abyssal and chaos
chaos is always betrayal, DPS bard for lower abyssal can go charming
ty
Do we have maint tomorrow before reset
when you transfer relic to relic does it take the max of either gear for quality
Anyone know what kind of benefits we get when reached dispatch station level 6 or above?
+1% maybe 
iirc everytime I upgrade dispatch station it's only increase 1%
I think you should be able to check it on research 
This is the best i can get
do you need life energy to do platinum field?
No
Is it possible to join Argos bus as 1370 and clear all three phases? Or do I have to be higher ilvl for that?
If you're buying a bus, then yes. Typically in a bus, you just die and AFK while the driver carries. 1370s can get bussed all the way to P3.
Thanks🙂
Quick question, where's the resource list for honing costs to go from 1370 to 1415 on alts with SH buff?
maxroll calc
Calculate the estimated Upgrade Material and Currency Costs for Gear Honing to reach your desired Item Level with our Upgrade Calculator Tool for Lost Ark.
so i wanna buy some lvl 5 skill gems; is there any reason why i shouldn't buy lvl 5 blue gems? or why are the orange ones that much more expensive even though they give the same bonus?
Azure gems have a 50% reduction in effectiveness if youre ilvl 1302 or higher
oh rip i see
lvl 10 blue gems are like a cheaper lvl 7 yellow gem though 
which lvl blue gem would i need for lvl 5 yellow?
What are the best Weekly Una's tasks to do, currently I do 2 Boss Rush and PvP Matches for 30 GHL a week
lvl 9 (this is for dmg gems)
why cant i use powerpass?
powerpasses are disabled until further notice 
Currently disabled due to errors
bruh
that's good until gleaps get really cheap and shards become the bottleneck
Sweet ty ty
Not errors, its due to bot/fraud abuse
yeah blame the bots punika rapport will most likely get nerfed as well if they cant find a fix
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@slender stumpoh mb thanks
are set effects and gems activated in hellmode ?
Yes whichever gems you choose and set you choose in your book of coordination preset will be in effect
Hello friends does anyone know why I don't see the Anguish Isle dungeon, I've done the questline (on another character) but am high enough ilvl to do the dungeon

Was 9/7 the stone where you dont need a leg book for 5x3?
there is probably something funky going on with your game, all i can recommend is repairing your game files (or relogging before doing so coz it takes a while)
I'll do some calculating today, was just asking in case someone remembered
nah
you need a leg book even with that stone, can go el cheapo on 1 acc tho
hey devs amazon say me than the can help me they can access ingame data...ive lost my entrace to vykas p2 p3 is there any chance someone help me pls https://gyazo.com/2e04b1600e87db9c84d24b0307279f5f
is crystalline aura worth it btw?
ye
so do i use it at the beginning of the game or at lv 50+?
Hey for Combat Readyness Gunlancers should i focus on crit or something else?
Spec, crit only on necklace
No one can help u, including AGS. If you dcd from Gate 2, check if you got a ticket in your mail for a reentry, you have to claim it and activate it. However, if you didn't recieve a ticket, you will just have to wait for weekly resey
is the punika powerpass still availiable?
Thank you :)
I wouldn't use it until you get a better grip on the game, but ultimately your choice
No its been disabled for like over a week now lol
fk
oky then thank u
alright, so i am trying to play argos abyssal dungeon, and i joined some party, but the party leader asked if i can buy the gem he'd list for 2k gold.. is that necessary? i asked him about it coz i don't really have any idea at all why do i have to buy a t2 level 3 gem for 2k gold coz he kicked me out of the lobby not even answering my question
xd yeaah i know in weekely reset i can do again.....but it is unfair this dumbs devs do not fix it 6 months later i loose one orejaa at thje beginning....amazon cant help devs cant help....trash support
Did you join a wts lobby? 
You entered what we call a "Bus lobby", the title should of have said that. Basically you pay to get carried.
there isent any sup ticket ingame like msot games like that so they clean his hands, u have a error eat it we cant do anything amazon cant smilegate cant nobody help us
if you wanted to experience argos with a normal party in a normal way, and if your item level is at 1370, you need to find a group for "Part 1 argos", which is usually called just "p1" in party finder
well i joined base on the number they had, didn't really care about the title
fuking game trash support
reading the title is important
so meaning, they would carry people and you have to pay the 2k gold in order to join them?
very, very important, otherwise things like these happens
Yeah, they are titled wts/bus
if you enter a bus lobby you are supposed to pay to get carried
i mean you're correct but it's kinda funny that people pay just to get carried... like, for me i can do the dungeon since i memorize all of the patterns, so i don't get why do people need to pay for joining party xD
did you d/c when almost finish vykas g1
?
how much gold will you get after finishing argos?
i need to collect all mokoko seed for the end game right?
Yeah well they pay it on their 1370 Alt to get the rewards of P3 so they can craft legendary gear faster
yeah men
2.7k without buying chest
den first it's your fault in the begin and they will send you a ticket around tmr
why is my fault??
i got d/c alot in raid but most of the time they would give you a reset ticket around a day or few hour
overall you'll get 500 gold after finishing it xD not even worth the time and the fun to play that content is no longer there since someone with high item level is carrying you
Like 50 gleaps and truckload of accs
Paying for buses is well worth it on 1370 alts.
You get a bunch of extra accessories and materials from P3 (vs P1).
As long as you pay ~2k gold or less for the bus you get more gold in direct rewards+materials.
Once your alt hits 1385 and can do P2 without bus, that's where bussing is less worthwhile.
yeah i get it, but i kinda got bored when i joined several parties and the lowest "bus fee" is 2k gold, the other guy asked for 3k
well i got bored to the point where i uninstalled the game (just now)

okay
3k is crazy. Around 2k is where I draw my limit.
well actually, neither of those guys explained on "why do i have to buy that t2 level 3 gem for 2k?" and they immediately kicked me out
like i am actually asking a genuine question since i haven't played the game for like almost 2 months
yeah well if u joined a lobby without reading the title and then ask me why i should buy it. i would also kick you
It's good when the bussers verify that all the players wanna buy a bus before starting.
But beyond that it's all on the player for not reading the lobby title..
bro, did you even get what i said? even if i read 2 of those lobby's title, no one put "you need to buy this t2 level 3 gem for 2k so that you can join in our party and get carried until P3"
ok
yeah but still explain why coz not all people get what you mean by that title like 
99.999999% ppl know. sorry u r special
Not all people have the time or want to explain stuff.
That's kind of what this channel is for.
mind if ask what was the title of the "room"
oh sorry for stopping the game for 2 months
Very likely "WTS P3-something-something"
They didn't read the title.
i kinda get that you're always playing games because you might be 20 and still living with your parents 
nope it was something like bus 3k alt run sure fast clear
i mean if the busser name the room wrong that's the busser fault but you cant really blame for your incompetent
yeah so? i can still read, but seems like u cant
and i was like "alright fast clear" and yeah sent a join request
@last imp Stop it with the incendiary comments please. Both of you.
No need to throw crap on other people.
yeah good for you, at least you can read at 20 but still living with your parents
well he started it lmao
fuck off
<@&938198046896955542>
LOL
let this be help channel again
yeah yall need help in more ways than one
so valtan is the biggest sever in na west, what is the 2nd biggest sever in na west?
mari i think
how to use the vern pass again? i just got one after getting my first char to finish vern storyline so i used it, created a new character, but I don't see it in the powerpass section
girls play on mari/shandi alot more if you are interested 

disabled
all powerpasses are disabled until further notice
cut it out.
yikes so no eta?
if you don't like each other, block.
sadly no 
think they said they would have some news this week
oh sorry, my uncle turned them off by accident, lemme tell him to switch them to on no eta sadly
Vykas typing test is how many second?
what about the pass purchasable with gold in estate then? is that disabled too
4 and 3 for NM and HM iirc
depend how many booba bar you have
that is not a powerpass, and it is not disabled
ah ok
knowledge transfer is pretty different
but if you are in sigma male mode then it would be 4-5 sec i think
i thought it's the same tho? you pay gold to boost another char to the point you want right
nope
that can only be said for the vern transfer, the rest you need to be on the ilvl to access them, and they ONLY skip the main story
oh ok, that's good enough
vern KT can get you a char from lv10 to lv50 with a box of 302 ilvl set
the rest are "use me if you're lazy"
does the pass or kt skip awakening quest too 
The kr vkyas typing simulator is 4sec and 2sec
a pass to feiton or above = you never have to do 2nd awakening ever again in any alt on that roster
Is it same as in game?
its 3 seconds
Any good simulator?
godbless
The one that I use is 4 second which is wrong
it's 4 seconds tho
How do ppl get like 5k+ bloodstone / week?
Is there a setting for it? Or do every guild task have to be completed
no it's the same in hard, it's 4 seconds
depend on your guild generosity
Guess I'm misremembering.
I usually take half the bar to finish and it's always at 2s
2 sec if you get bricked ( get lusted )
Whats the setting usually?
My guild put 50%/50%
Is there other setting than that?
Looked like 1s the few times I got bricked in HM.
Or maybe it scales with amount of lust?
pretty sure there's 80% because i got a bunch of 5k-6k on my alts guild 
It can be adjusted yes, there is also an upgrade when you have researched everything so you can give out more bloodstone
scaled
i lost 
You mean from weekly bonus alone?
do raid match and gvg for more distribution
My guild is only friends so all of us dont know how to increase more bloodstone
i mean ppl rarely get bricked in booba check because it's very very easy to dodge and not get hit in p3
but by now we already know how NA/EU player base "skill"
It's probably a guild with 90/10 distribution to Players/Guild, with high clan activity.
do you have any experience eating donuts on g2 as a gl? 
just move 4 head 
always the gl in my pugs are eating them 
😋
like playing GL doesnt mean you can give away your brain cell, you still gotta learn her patern to dodge vital combo
true but
experience with gl in g2
you wanna talk about playing as a zerker without support in g2 instead (same ilvl/HM)
?


