#2d-graphics
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Me i charge 1M usd per comission
Can I use blender to create icons? if so how? since I have no idea how to crete icons
do people still use photoshop to make ui?? im tryna start prob
Draw
Does anyone know any server that can find me commissions
U took it straight from anime put some text and u call it thumbnail?
Lol
by definition it is
and its probably a yt thumb
Ye
I thought ppl put some effort into thumbnails and make thier own guess anime edits have these kinds of thumbnails
Again?
5
out of 10? Tell me things to improve pls π
Mahbe with outlining it would look a bit more good
And maybe shadows
Yes out of 10
Tbh outlining would ruin it
Depends what ur going for
Try another colour
Like the one that goes with text and the background
Use varients of effects not just purple
looking for a y2k clothing designer who would want to join me in creating a very popular group (dm for more details)
no hiring here
make a post
Made a new logo!
why are there... two suns.... ?
Tatooine (star wars) has two suns!
oh, didn't know that.
lol, feedback?
hmm out of 10.... I would say 6 or 7. It's a little bit brighter in my opinion.
Thanks!
but I am not a gfx guy, so yea idk.
i have 7 comms to work on LMFAAAOOO
this is 2d graphics chat
guys how can i open solid color from the keyboard ( photoshop )
how much rbx would yall say my art is worth
rate
im working on a character customization system and I was wondering how to make eyes textures which you will be able to change the color of via color wheel (as far as im aware, you cant change the color of textures, unless im mistaken)
nvm i figured it out
my first graph!7
1st anime gfx logo, I need tips
Im on mobile and doin gfx is crazy, what can i imporve on?
anyone have a 3d clothing or armor concept art to allow me recreate on 3d?
Hey! I make all my gfx on mobile too
. A good tip is drawning/editing in a big, high resolution canvas. But tbh thats rlly good for ur first gfx
oh alr thanks you lol, is there anything else i could improve on btw, and r u ibis paint x also?
Yep! Im working on a drawning rn. Hmmm another rlly good tip is try not to use many brushes
Choose ur favorite one and master it.
ohhh tru cause im always using different brushes
do u recommend any good brushes?
and is it alr if i can see ur gfx, im curious
Myne is in portuguese, but ig its vanishing brush?
ohh alr
The last anime one i did
oooo thats super good
and u did that on mobile too
do u use ur fingers to draw lol
bec i do
Tysm!!!
100%
woww thats good
Till they fall
lol which application do u use btw
Tyy
Application?
oh i meant which app u use for ur gfx
ohhh alr thanks, tryna be like u fr
My portfolio is in bio if u want to take see my other works
sure idm
Tysmm π. I can help u hehe
danggg ur acc so good
Rn im working on this one
the gojo one is so fyee
TYyyy
dang even ur sketches are cold
can i add u lol, so if i ever need help i can dm u
Yeah sure!
Im thinking of creating a youtube channel to post like speed art of the comission...
how much do price ur commisons?
Tysmm!
ohhh u should acc
u would get a good amount of views
I price according to time and complexity it takes...
Im really considering lol.
ohh alr
Goes arround $40-$80
how much commisions/sales have u made, dont answer this question if u dont want to
u should lol
Lmao i never stopped to think of it 
But like
Its been 2 months and a half since i started doing comissions
Ig...
Arround $800?
I think
Ty!!
Nahh lets change this
yeah fr i need to do more gfx
Lol the first challenge is beeing accept as graphic artist here 
I got denied 3 times
Dm
^^^^
crit?
oh!
im gonna bid ittt
ppl buy it from me
and they upload it
there r servers that have ugc creators sell their models
and other people upload it
basically like a commission
auction
made another one for my friend
recents (rate them)
Crit?
tips on improving that results gui
outline everything it makes it look cartoony
any tips on how to improve? (these are just two I did this morning)
Wip, what yall think of my color skillz 
Nice detail but the light source is unclear
can anyone rate my new graphic?
Any tips on how to improve it?
Anyone do tools icon here?
idk if im asking the right people but my game icon looks really low quality on roblox but high quality in photoshop
(its 1000/1000)
I usually like to draw a little X or circle to imagine as my light source so that it reminds me where shadows might come from while i'm working on lighting
it might be because the image you uploaded is way too big, so roblox compresses it to the actual icon size
what should I do
hmmm
let me google it
says 512x512, try resizing your icon to that size in ps
then upload again
512x512 looks the same and slightly worse, so hopefully it will fix itself after a few days
thats not even a problem roblox compresses all the icons including games and groups icons
Hey guys
take out the shine and dont use the fucking sunrays bg
if you do make it fade away and have a better actual background
and lower the glow on the second one
fix ur uhh
fucking overlay idk the name
the watermark thats it
change the font and make it transparent
a big part of gfx is the background
sooo dont make it boring, but make it good then add a bit of blur if you want
roblox compreesessss everything, but a tip on the thumbnail itself is change the font, and make the anime lineis on the right side too, its on the top, the left, the bottom, but not the right, and pls blur the shadow on the characters and fix the little spacing between the noobs legs and its torso, uhh thats about it, but change the font fs and add the anime lines on the left its so angry
change gradient fs, spacing on the text is weird, id ask #interface , but just put the text closer to eachother and add the stroke like the other person said
ty for the advices
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CLICKBAIT CLICKBAIT CLICKBAIT
it would be good but the $ r too far apart
and it looks like the pls donate scam thumbnails so i dont like it
so 0/10 because of that
.
sry
kk
Goku Battlegrounds
Does someone know an ia that creates thumbnails and icons?
#2d-graphics come get your man
DM me if you wanna get paid for drawing i need artists for thumbnails
How do you make 3D text?
you go on blender, press shift to get you in debug (it won't say) then release shift. Then Prees alt F4
is there gonna be something else in the top left coz youve got a lot of negative space for no reason
you should make the $ signs bigger to make good use of the space
plus if its a thumbnail itll be easier to read
anybody got a good particle dispersion brush?
looking for a designer that can make me icon for a roast machine game
DM Me if your looking for jobs (will start getting weekly deals for you)
HELP π
I tried photoshopping myself onto a screenshot I took in a British supermarket game and it failed π
How much
Posed myself in Catalog Avatar > take good pic > crop, edit and clean up > edit onto another game's screenshot > fail π
Use rig
Editing ate
How do i take an original image and put a texture on it? like grimace here
Greenscreen probs
how do i do that?
What app do you use for editing?
Select the character's outline (excluding the eyes and other facial features) then fill in whatever texture you want in it
I use Photoshop but I can show you something easy
can you do it for me?
Sure, it's easier for me so I can do that
Send me in DMs
ok thanks
what font should I use
my first time, thoughts?
Did something out of the box and still trying, thoughts?
I suggest using illustrator (paid) but you can try using photopea (free)
its not paid if you crack it, which you shouldnt, but if you do dm me so i can give you instructions on how to avoid doing that
The gloss is glossing too much
I know what apps to use, but how do I do it
fα΄ck you.
mess around with gradients, inner glows, drop shadow
the built in 3d makes me crash and honestly using those layer styles works just as well for me
there's also like a pseudo 3d thing with the bevel layer style iirc
Use either Blender or just plain ol' Roblox Studio
alr
** Boa Hancock **
guys i'm genuinely so desperate for someone to hire me
i can do low prices because I'm not that experienced
post work in hireable channel
or do free to gain expierence
i tried to apply to post in hirable but my quality is too low to get the role π
and I alr have experience but it's hard to get ppl
i have previous experience for designing an icon with a person called azurecode in this server
just keep uploading ur stuff in creations and ppl will come to u
and further process ur quality so u can get role
What's a good pricing for a game icon/thumbnail?
got it
the one w the sunrays was on emy first ever one
how do ifix that
Made a new logo!
I mainly make band shirts and merch, would people hire me for that in here?
Trying new things
Mostly merch of a Finnish nu-metal boyband called Blind Channel and a Finnish rapper called KÀÀrijÀ (both were in the Eurovision Song Contest but 1 year apart from each other) and a couple random old clothes I made
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hello
ICON FOR SOUL CULTIVATIONπ₯π§
made this one a lil while ago
β’ COMISSION π
krilex - discord
PORTFOLIO DISCORD - https://t.co/h3cU1lygaq
β₯οΈ&π Appreciated
#ROBLOX #RobloxGFX #robloxart #RobloxDev
6/10
ty
What do you guys think?
its nice, though the hair lacks depth
the eyes seem a little awkward considering you drew a chibi :c
I'm just not used to it yet but I'm getting there ahahaha
DM Me if your looking for logo jobs (will start getting weekly deals for you)
Hey there does anybody know how I would create this pattern effect on my ui ?
screentone
what do you use?
screentone ?
and sorry what do you mean what do I use really sorry ?
what program do you use?
and yeah those dotted things is screentone
Ohhh for creating UI ? I just use Roblox studio. Would I have to create this effect in a program like Photoshop ? Or is there a photo I can use ?
scize o together
i mean, i guess you can find a photo? i havent been on roblox studio in hella long so i cant help you with that.
BUT you can make the same exact thing in ibis, like this
how do i scale the stroke for all devices?
scale the onfirm and gui together
AHHH THATS HOW ITS DONE
Thanks so much !!!!!!
oh yeah and if you wanna color it, just export it as a transparent png and use alpha lock to color it anything you want !
or u can overlay but thats like one extra tiny step LOL
Ah thank you so much, loquacity
I apreciate it π
like. a lot
THANK YOU
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what do u think guys?
Wowww is so good
tysm
oh alr alr thx
mwah
anything else probably more of a cartoony font
like fredoka one but thats kinda mid
hol up
my friend already made a new one for me
hm
its ok
the background is too boring
the sunray not transparent enough
the text feels weird
too little going on 5/10
ONCE AGAIN THE FUCKING SCAMMER THUMBNAILS π
it would be good but 0/10 again because of that
realisticly if ur not scamming its like an 8-9
how am i scamming?
im not saying u are
im saying that thumbnail style is like the fuckin scam style
every scammer uses that style
doesnt mean its bad but can be percieved as bad
they get clicks
if ur thumbnail gets clicks u achieved ur goal
Dont hate the player hate the game
π€·ββοΈ
i personally hate them so
imma hate on whatever i wanna, and im not even hating im saying that its percieved as a scam
so people that arent mindless 8 year olds will think that its a scam like 50% of the time :spb
π
pog
im pretty new to graphics designing, and i made this about awhile ago. how did i do? any tips?
thanks ive been watching videos and been trying to improve over the summer
Its a cartoony thumbnail, what π ...
Of course cartoony thumbnails appeal to a younger demographic, bright colors etc etc π
lowkey it looks like ai, its rlly cute tho. I love itt
lolll i was going out for cruises and vacays too but even after i tried to fit in some time to improve and watch vids and stuff
out of 10 id say 10 out of 10
sadly ai is trying to take everyones job π
bro wdym what
thats legit the scam style π
ok look
search up pls donate on youtube
pls donate live
most of the vids at the top are scams
and have that thumbnail style
u can make ai models>
?
wtf
Cartoon style = children click on it = children fall for scams easier
its really the face
im saying its commonly precieved nowadays as a scam
just that exact style
so
take that however you want to man
or woman
it can be cute but its the most common scam style
im saying that it can ruin credibility from a youtube standpoint
i thought it was for a roblox thumbnail π
youtube
reverse image checking
it works unless its ai
I guess it just depends on ur audience
if ur audience is younger a cartoony style is fine
its not the cartoony style
its that exact style
down to the face and everything
it doesnt depend on audience or anything
from a youtuber standpoint
it ruins your credibility
Ah I'm looking at it more of a roblox game standpoint π im not super familar with how yt works and everythingg
its not really how yt works at all
i just know on roblox cartoony stuff and clickbait thumbnails get lots of clicks
as a youtuber having that thumbnail style
in youtubers mines or viewers minds
minds*
that EXACT thumbnail style
= scam 90% of the time
i dont even understand whats goin on rn
doesnt flamingo use that style π
i watched him a lot when i was youngerr π π
we r talking about the "Scam artstyle"
not wrong
yup thats very much different
his style is a drawn style
thats a gfx cartoony style
which is obv a scam
...
im trying to find the one that i was talking about specifically
i thought all those types of cartoony thumbnails were hand drawn π
kinda
no 2 diffenrent types
no usually its just a black stroke then a white stroke after raster
and a gfx
also his arent even pls donate lol
im not saying that its the style
what are you going to scam kids for in a game about breaking bones
in most youtubers minds if that person isnt famous
that style
down to everything
the eyes
but keyword
if that person isnt a known person
right its flamingo
no shit its not a scam
im just saying its a cool looking style, might not work the best
imma leave it at that
might not work for what ?
youtube
if talking about views on videos look up cashblox
nicoblox
all do the style that is drawn as well
and get hundreds of thousands of views
who dat
theboosgaming or nicoblox
theboosgaming is infact known!
a known scammer...
checkmark doesnt mean shit now a days

theboos used to have like 5 streams going at once
all with the same style
2 pls donate streams
like 2 petsim x streams
and sum else
if its a pls donate live thumbnail is a scam
the thumbnail style?
any
cap
not just the style
pretty much anything that involves "free" robux is a scam
your saying pls donate live in general
99% of it will be a scam
capppp
so yes
obv not it gets shit ton of views
Thats what r conversation was about
all real streams
once again
i never said the style is bad im saying its correlated commonly with scam streams /videos

W muhammed
i like it the background is a bit bland but
Look niceee
see i want to get into 2d graphic designing but i honestly cant draw
practice
nobody can draw well at the start
get into 3d graphic designing easy route out ngl
3d is so much easier to learn
and its not that hard to make a scene good
you juts put stuff in a semi realistic manner
Whats the pay difference?
eh
Im not super sure
id like to not have a burning computer
I seee
most ppl charge in that sort
what about vfx? is that pretty hard
same i do facemasks
3d modeling also doesnt pay that much unless u do ugc
no??
π
visual effects
like the anime shi
or partcles when u jump
Ugc makes a ton
yeah but you have to advertise and all that
and its hard to learn
and harder to create ideas that you have in imo
if your good at building and scripting you probably are gonna make the most
ive made 60k i think this month from facemasks
??
stuff like thiss
yea because theyre the most popular
its a cartoony style but ok
ohh
π
they r funn
really you only would technically have to make half
yeah except for the art part
they arent if u can draww
π
ITS A CHEEKS HEADD
and not the normal head
ohhh
its just like all the things that are easy to learn dont make a lot of robux so π
ive made 60k from facemasks this month π
not true you just have to promote well
cus ppl dont like that
weird
yeah
yea but its promoting that so people hire you
well bc its easy to learn most devs dont need to hire someone to make it for them they can honestly do it themselves but i guess your right
i put my stuff up for bidd
thats the thing
technically
most devs could do everything themselves
but they dont
I can make clothing but i still hire ppl π
yeah exactly
cus it takes to much time
its just annoying
idk how big groups find their ppl...
mmmm
fr i would be in the dough rn if they hired me for stuff
i thought abt making a restaurant group but its just hard to find someone who can co own it bc its like i cant trust nobody
they require a lot of robux and usd to make...
the game
training center
etc
Builders, scripters, gfx
ppl also always end up quitting on those types of games for some reason
it gets boring
ye
yeah
thats why simulators will (sadly) always be on top
because they are fairly easy to make
I should make a clickbait scam simulator game π
and are targeted towards little kids and have that addicting gameplay point
I will be so rich!
sadly
im a supervisor at washiez and its honestly never boring cause theres always gonna be some random kid flinging cars
"FREE ROBUX MONEY TYCOON SIMULATOR ADOPT ME PET SIM X"
BEST IDEA EVER
βΌοΈ
i go into random ass games and get a job because its honestly way too easy too then troll tf out of everyone
but it gets annoying bc im not a director so i can do more instead of just warning
like games like that
rip
I used to be an hr at the shopping place
afk
it was so unproffesional...
that target game?
the shrs were flying in the training ccenter
yess
They also allow ppl under 13 to be hrs because u can buy ranks
..
.
π
embarassing..
fr
Atee
Lmao Ty
i got tired of trying to make a cafe group so now im here trying to specialize in smth so i can make robux from that
do usd dont do robux
im thinking abt that and building too
what app or whetever did you make that on?
Ps
this
prov ps
5/1k
whats ps
photoshop
Photoshop
doesnt that cost money too?
nope
no
its free
π
i love free
Ps Camera raw filter is way higher quality than photopeas
we all love free
Clothing design is a bit easier
i know a lot of servers for clothing designn
again, i dont know how to draw 
its finee
shading is the most important part
just watch some tutorials
let me show yall some old clothing designs π
I made this when i was like 11 or 12 π
oh 
I thought this was so good
lmfao
It just takes time to get better
Now i can do stuff like thiss <33
i made this not too long ago bc i thought about making a track and field club group
i made it on a roblox clothing desing app π
its ight
looks nice, just shading and a better outline is needed
u did good <33
please NEVER use those free shading templates
Logo comm
the logo looks to pixelated
it was prob a png
ye
its okay i guess
I gave up on this a long time ago π
it looks rlly good
Crazy Ui made for my game on roblox!
Dm me on discord Oreeoeoe and our discord link https://t.co/pdA6QFfybR
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Ty :))
Ty man π
how do I make the scrollbar not on top of other UI inside ScrollingFrame?
what do u think guys??
I can't tell if this is satire π
I need 4 icons complete for 5k robux anyone dm me. 2 of the icons or almost done
Hi, if anyone needs a graphic designer (2D), then you can dm. I finish my work fast π
RESPECTFULLY WHY IS THE FACE DEFORMED ON THEM?? π₯
Oh hi againn
HI
SORRY IM JUST ASKING
So u need to work on lineart and not using the airbrush, I can link a few tutorials for lineart, on the right u mainly used the airbrush which makes it look muddy and unpolished, you want to find the light source, slowly map put the shadows and then use the dip pen or any other hardbrush and start making shadows, after you can add a small gradient with the airbrush!
Your lineart is super thin and has no lineweight at all, which makes it look very amaturish
You would need to add darker lines where shadows hit
Make it a bit thickerr
Study other people's art, don't copy!
What r u using to draw btw
What program
I see, I use ibis too!
OK
I would also work on anatomy, I'm not super sure if that style only uses blocks
I would have to check
Best looking robox sukuna
R u using the stabilizer?
On Ibis
Make sure to use it! It improves line quality! π«Ά
Yessur\
I wanna try roblox art
ALSO MAYBE BLEND IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS WEIRD IF U LOOK CLOSE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE LINE AND YEAH π₯
It looks like fun
I take a single peek at building and people in there quoting the bible and what not
Does this happen here
not at all
sounds like something that would happen moreso in #chat than a dev channel
Can you crit my work too, would love sum critπ
Basically the same thing i told them
Line quality and lineart
Using mostly hard shadows
hi Uhm hi
Hi
Nope
wait
this
It's nice, would u like crit?
yes
Okk ill draw over it and show uu
alr dm me ok
everyone starts somewhere i
shade him
i aint do the best job but you can see how much better it looks with some shading
Damn i did a pretty good job not gonna lie
Doing a new coloring style!!
Looking for a job is hard mayne
can someone help me im having problems using a rig plugin on blender
im trying to use a starter rig from robuilders video but the plugin is not popping up for me
Coloring style
how about this
alr i will fixed that later
also his chin isnt right
something like that would be more accurate
its too square for him to be looking down
alr alr thx for helping
new to logo making, how did i do for my first time?
how about this bro
does anyone here needs help for 3d modeling
fix the chin
mess around with it
right now, looks like he is stung by a bee
btw its roblox icon
oh alr my bad
Use the stabilizer tool. Will improve it 100%
oh alt thx
Np
No way youβre new!!
it's my first time making logos ^^
icons creator here, just dm me
Yes
alr dm me
https://x.com/ArtszyGFX/status/1807459066249089052 (Theres two GFX in the post)
Hello there guys, I am new here and in need of a fellow friend who would like to mentor me for something specific, I would like to let you know the full details through DMs. Also, the fellow friend must be 6 months - 1 year (or more) experienced to understand my points clearly. Thank you for reading this. Just reply me over here, and I will get to you through DMs, do not DM me, I will DM you. Thanks
lazi so made doodles ^^ππΎβοΈ https://x.com/SimplyDreamie/status/1807467100388081862?t=V1B_e6mZP8UVr1zao_Qc3g&s=19
Avatar pfp i did for someone on discord
just jump up kick back whip around and spin
first ui ever thoughts?
YOO THATS INSANE HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
For a start: Great!
π―
Dm
whyβs this channel dead asf bro
clean but add slight more spacing between the trading bar and the username frame its too close together
those drawings?
is that what u tryna get ppl to commission u for
why is the clothes stretched asf
upload a few of them and send it so i can actually see what it looks like
cuz from what it looks like here i can see bad texturing, white lines, random ass textures, and stretched, kinda looks like stuff i made it 2019
what do you use
yes
hm
looks like some shi id find on customuse
make modern clothes just make ur own group
maybe switch off ibis for clothes onto photoshop or sum
yes and change the textures
or procreate
yea it looks like u use the free texture template
yea
its a clothing generator thing
thats why make ur own work and youll get more comms
on other apps it is but making them on roblox is SO FYUCKKING ANNOYING
its importing it thats annoying for me cuz i dont do ui
15 minutes, this shi
itβs so easy on photoshop
all the shapes are there and blending options helps sm
i have a new idea ima try a shop ui
no reference this time tho
yes but i hate importing it cuz ion really know how
scripting lol
well obviously its building or scripting
im prob gonna focus on ui more then gfx atp
with gfx coming in at like 4th
ui at 5th
idk what at third
gfx can make a BAG
if u get comms
u just gotta get lucky once
or start dming people on ur own
get connections
i was cooking back in 2022 bro
yea i got the gfx skill role i js gotta post in hiring
but then i took a break and im so ass
i mean iβd still do it on the side but i feel like ui would be easier for me atp
my computer barely runs blender
pretty nice something feels off about it doe
yea
ye
i think the camera shouldve been a bit to the left
so hes in the bottom right corner kinda
probably yeah but i wanted to keep the focus on the character a bit
well it would still be on it
thereβs just so much with gfx like one mess up and u gotta rerender it takes forever
just like this emptiness
and the pay isnβt good unless ur really good
yea
yea i see
how much did u get paid
i charge 750 icons
shi
for something that took like 3 hours
some people be charging like 30-40k
i donβt wanna raise till i update my portfolio cuz itβs all my old stuff
Thanks
iβll dm
yea
pretty good especially for the price
it just takes too long for me
maybe for someone that can make it in an hour itβs good but like
yea thats def true ts can be so annoying
something that ticks me off is me having a good idea but my execution being DoGSHIT
shi
exactly bro
ts so annoying
but i saw ur twt ur stuff is good asf
yea
but ive been working on my game so i havent been making stuff
but ur render like for ex ur pfp
itβs like
idk how to describe it itβs just like clear bro π
ye ik i dont love it
the posing is kind aweird and the lighting is meh
i was tryna do like a rain thing before i realized i should do like 90% in blender
its wtv i have an idea that imma work on in a bit after i work on my game for a while
for a new pfp
anyone got a tut vid to start graphic
Any advice ? Why anatomy is off for ur opinion?
whatβs it gonna be about
so like a summer outfit like a blue floral button up
new to gfx yall got any tut vids to get started?
frog
did u make that from a tut vid i swear ive seen sum like it before
holup ill send a photo
of the game so far
i made it alone just got the background from somehwer
i hate glossy gfx
sorry
NO WTF DID I DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
idk wtf i did now π
OHH IK
its because i set it to custom which turns the camera script off for a sec then it goes back to scriptable
ts has been such a pain in my ass
ill send a photo of the game holup
let me fix this rq
okay
ok i fixed it
BRO
HOLY SHIT
rlly so far ive just got the game idea working and some nice stuff kinda
pls send in a format that you dont have to download
π
its sending we'll see
i broke it again tho
bro
ok what ever ill send a ss
this is a run view of it from the backside
but its just a platformer
the parts move btw its not juts stationary
its barely started and still needs to have all the stuff that looks good modeled and whatnot
n i needa do ui today π¦
wait @flint obsidian did u work for 1coal
oh alr
Heyo, iβm looking for someone who can help me with some band logos? I have some sketches already made but just want them turned into graphic logos we can use for social media and promotions etc. Please dm me or send me a friend request if youβre interested!
Demon tokito face
2nd ui ever
make a post in #graphics-hiring
oh sorry
no ur good lol just more people will see it there
How can I improve on Quality and Line Art?? Im still new to shading so idk how to do shadows that well
Pen pressure, cleaner lines, line weight, etc
how about shadow, sometimes idk what colour to use for shading? got any tips for that
