PSA - This game is dying at a record pace

[hollow herald]

not yet. they haven't even responded to the invite yet

and I'm still collecting questions

[mint needle]

Well they may be assuming "Surprise" Questions

That's not something they're going to want to do

[hollow herald]

there will be. it will be a list of premade questions which are provided to them a month beforehand and then any questions asked in the stream chat

but I understand if they can't answer stream chat questions

the idea is this gives them an opportunity to answer questions that they have been unable to in the past

[mint needle]

And they'd suddenly be able to on your stream?

[hollow herald]

yeah

[mint needle]

I assume there's a reason they haven't answered certain things

Such reasons won't change

[hollow herald]

probably, but we can only hope that can change

ideally they'd just accept the invite and answer everyone's questions to satisfaction.

but we can only hope

[mint needle]

Well if people want things like time frames they ain't going to get those

[hollow herald]

some of these questions involve time frames, but I specifically have framed the questions in a way that implies Torn Banner is not responsible for providing any time frames or dates

Most of the community is intelligent enough to understand they can't meet deadlines easily until they understand an issue well enough.

[mint needle]

Personally I think a lot of people are past caring about that

And that actions right now will speak louder than any words

[woven beacon]

It's almost like TBS know their own best interests better than you.

[mint needle]

No

TB has put themselves into this situation

With their priorities

[hollow herald]

Hopefully they'll improve.

[deep zinc]

MIRAGE 2 WHEN

[mint needle]

I just don't know if it's the right time to talk about it publicly

Given the current enviroment

Might be better to hunker down

Get shit done

Then talk

[hollow herald]

Well this will be on November 13th

So it's a ways away

[mint needle]

The other issue is hosts

[hollow herald]

But there is somewhat urgency because we're also trying to prevent more people from quitting

[deep zinc]

They should make a Mirage 2 and treat it like Sega vs Nintendo

Live video of their devs tbagging a PC with overwatch 2 on it

[hollow herald]

I would love Mirage 2

I don't think the players would though

[mint needle]

Only true Chivalry fans enjoyed mirage

[woven beacon]

You are a player

[mint needle]

Most people never bought it in the first place to try it

[hollow herald]

I mean most people

just nobody really cares about arabian knights 🤷‍♂️

but anyway stream will be cool hopefully torn banner says yes

[mint needle]

It was also rather expensive for what it was

[hollow herald]

yes

if they don't oh well we tried

[mint needle]

@hollow herald Who else is on the stream though

[hollow herald]

for content creators ziggy, brwnsuperman, cometjosh, stridah, rich_mangold, myself

[mint needle]

There's more?

[hollow herald]

groups involved will be Tournament Grounds, Pax Romana, Exodus, Last Kings, and Byzantine Empire

[mint needle]

I mean as hosts

Who would be in the voice call

[hollow herald]

myself and a casual player called Cpmosso9

[mint needle]

Let's say

[hollow herald]

His name is Carl

[mint needle]

Just two then

[hollow herald]

yes but the structure is every 30 minutes we switch and invite a new guest on into the call

which will be one of the content creators

so very little of the stream will be just carl and I

[mint needle]

So what each content creator takes a turn talking to the devs?

[hollow herald]

no, they won't be talking to the devs

[mint needle]

Good

Cos a couple of them

Oh boy

[hollow herald]

if torn banner accepted the invite they would be on a 30 minute segment of the 6 hour stream with just carl and I reading off the listed questions provided for them beforehand

[mint needle]

That makes more sense

[hollow herald]

now I already know that the stream chat will have people asking questions in it so that's why I said if they feel inclined they can answer those

but they are not forced to

I've done my best to inform and ask everyone what their questions are for the day of

but I know that when the stream starts people gonna spam chat with questions anyway

[mint needle]

Being fully explained it sounds a lot more reasonable

[hollow herald]

yeah I think it's totally fair and it's the most respectful way I could think of to host such an event

[tender basin]

more like 5

[mint needle]

Two is correct

[tender basin]

Quack, Walter, Ziggy, Fishy, Fahr3n so no 2 is not correct lmfao

[mint needle]

They didn’t all get muted for the same thing

[tender basin]

I know more about this Discord than its own mods

[mint needle]

But I forgot about fishy

[tender basin]

4 of them did

not 2

[crisp olive]

Imagine getting mute over ping

Don't know ping can take it very offensive

[hollow herald]

they don't like getting pinged

@crisp olive

[crisp olive]

Delete the account then

[hollow herald]

lol

To be fair there was no point to the ping. but yeah they shouldn't have been muted

[alpine goblet]

I’ve never understood muting people for pinging. Why do you even have a discord if you don’t want to be contacted?

https://tenor.com/view/ping-annoying-dont-complain-penguin-gif-17320149

[sterile canopy]

Truth

I suppose it’s so people don’t spam en mass but I mean

One tho

[silk vortex]

Its actually insane where this game has gone. We cant even do comp play anymore because they devs dont use their brains. They said the update with team objective stacking would only effect the matchmaking yet its effected every server in the server browser as well. They lied and made the game worse with stutters and lag for epics users.

Incompetent devs

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-gif-20952040

[sterile canopy]

They also didn’t actually fix almost any of the bugs noted as fixed in the reinforced update.

🤠

[tender basin]

Facts, I'm the head of my studio and anyone is allowed to ping, mention, and/or dm me, just as I'm free to turn off my notifications and not answer them if I choose... learning from TBS

[silk vortex]

they made the game worse and put it on game pass to try and bring up some numbers. Joke of a company.

[tender basin]

Just shows me they see of all this, and rather than do anything to stop the problem, they just got new people to replace us

They did already get our money after all

[silk vortex]

Anyone who defends the devs atp are B00Tlickers who cant think for themselves

[prisma terrace]

So Mirage 2 when?

[tender basin]

I'm working on something even better now don't you worry

[prisma terrace]

Proof

Give me free

[silk vortex]

im not touching another game made by devs who dont care about their work

Someone should file a lawsuit for all the marketing lies they gave us

https://tenor.com/view/we-want-our-money-back-cartman-south-park-give-us-a-refund-upset-gif-22243956

[tender basin]

We got a discord with some teasers already too just DM me if curious!

[tender basin]

I certainly would love my money back to reinvest into my project

I can do great things with 30$

[prisma terrace]

Will it be pc exclusive? Or at least atm?

Because im a controller battery chomper

[tender basin]

PC and newest gen consoles were aiming for at first

[prisma terrace]

Jurik chill

Im at half mast as we speak

[tender basin]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[frank glacier]

are you making mordhau 2????

[tender basin]

Noooo chivalry mixed with the witcher would be more accurate

[frank glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/we-got-a-hero-whos-here-o-shea-jackson-jr-the-imdb-show-a-hero-among-us-a-heros-here-gif-16252054

[prisma terrace]

Hmm

So what im hearing

Is that I can do a rainbow on a werewolf

Nice

[tender basin]

I even got a leshy already

[tender basin]

if you really want Ill make it happen

[prisma terrace]

Your choice its your game lol

[vagrant widget]

**gets timed out xD

[tender basin]

Common misconception, its our game

[prisma terrace]

I hate this meme exists all i could think of

[tender basin]

[prisma terrace]

I hate that meme so much

[tender basin]

lmfao just noticed

[prisma terrace]

Time outs a game dev for doing game dev things rip

[tender basin]

I sent you it dw its not like that, I would've just posted here but I'm not advertising, no need

[frank glacier]

We should try pinging elon musk on twitter, maybe he could buy TB studio

[prisma terrace]

Lol

Imagine elon musk just saying fuck it and competing in medieval contact sports

Gets at least 3 concussions

[tender basin]

I can see it

[prisma terrace]

He's the only one that is gonna be able to use a weapon with a sharpened edge

[frank glacier]

elon musk posing as a Templar, Circa , 2022,

[tender basin]

The one year I don't go to Comic Con and we got dudes dressed as ariel the mermaid fml

[tender basin]

real and true

[prisma terrace]

Forgot his convertible tesla with a lance

[frank glacier]

"hippity hopitty, your company is now my property" Elon musk, probably

[sterile canopy]

I was thinking of making a spreadsheet for #1019692816500269076 illustrating bugs that have claimed to have been fixed that have not been. Including what platforms apply, which have been acknowledged by the devs, time since first appearing, and damage to game playability. The idea would be to bring better visibility to what is still wrong, and how much it all effects the game. Does TB have all this data? Yeah. Will they ever give it to us? No.

Is that the sort of thing y’all would contribute too? I’m just one dude on one platform.

[blissful hare]

Its the point of being the Q&A community devs. They arent there coding or 3d modeling. They gather information from the community and answer or reply on suggestions, concepts of what they are working on to see if the community likes it, and manage things with marketing to attract people. Sometimes truth is wanted as well besides the Automatic q&a response.

[woven beacon]

Ah yes, Torn Banner's specialised Q&A team

...

[cold path]

Yo, im sure its been asked somewhere, i mean i barely use this thing i wont lie, but, have we got any news of when we can select our own teams in last team standing games ? the whole of europes comp scene has just ground to a halt..

[livid harness]

Torn banner studios doesn't care about its players.

[stray remnant]

"Aye Torn Banner how many competent employees do you have?"

[livid harness]

Correct me if I am wrong. Can't they turn off being pinged by certain roles?

..so only mods and higher can ping devs and jen? Isn't that doable ?

[sudden topaz]

I don't believe so, we could do the former (for pinging the dev role specifically) but you're not able to disable individual people pinging individual people.

Short of blocking them I think, which is probably not a good solution

[alpine goblet]

I got muted cuz I said the bad word for coochie but the gay boy version in this feed.

[wary umbra]

Respectfully, having mods come in and argue directly with players is a bad look when the argument is about community management.

[woven beacon]

We are players too to be fair 😐

[blissful hare]

actually ur kenobi so actually was a player*

[woven beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-gif-18600350

[hollow herald]

Respectfully, Torn Banner hasn't ever cared about having a bad look, why start now?

Who's y'alls favorite European content creators for chiv

[alpine goblet]

you’re a europer?

[hollow herald]

I'm american. But I'm still asking what European chivalry content creators people enjoy

[alpine goblet]

I avoid European content as much as I can, don’t really need the estrogen. But back to Chiv…I feel like the team that filled their game with gay jokes, yo mama roasts, gore, and fun have a very different idea of what the Chiv community should look like when compared to the ‘don’t ping staff’ people.

https://tenor.com/view/rule49-goku-goku-rules-mods-ping-gif-23408530

[hollow herald]

I guess the game is pretty offensive compared to the nature of the community they run.

But that's certainly because they're a business and they want to ensure that they are not at risk by staying as inoffensive as possible when it comes to how they interact publicly

I mean, do you remember when the president of tripwire said that he supported abortion? People were saying that they were going to boycott games like chivalry simply because the game was published by tripwire. Imagine if a torn banner employee shared that opinion instead

It's just a safer option to act as they do as a business

[hollow herald]

Also why does European content have estrogen? lmao

[wary umbra]

I know and I agree with that sentiment. I think that choosing a role like moderator gives you a more vocal or influential opinion in some areas but unfortunately it also limits you in other areas. I think any position of authority does that sort of thing. I guess in that sense it's just not your job to respond to these types of posts.

I wasn't really referring to you tobi to be fair a little input here and there never hurt anyone

Some other mods don't know when to stop, I think

[sudden topaz]

This is well reasoned and mirrors my own feelings on it as well, well said m'lord

[stray remnant]

I hate mods I hate mods I hate mods

[woven beacon]

same

[bitter seal]

Yeah.. should’ve seen lemon last night arguing and calling certain clans emotional. Seems avoidable

[livid harness]

mods are selected for not having any conflicts via chat history in game among many things. Its why mods like funk dont get involved.
Many mods support clans cause they see the passion and shared interest in the games success as something that will benefit the game

but i agree, lemon acts to much on emotion and wanting to poke at people instead of giving actual solution or a confident answer or reason to a issue or statement. Hes best just left ignored like that other guy. The game lost alot of players because of all this neglect by TBS. they arent in here but its because those few guys here speaking out, speak out for them as they were in the same clans or same community. In the end of the things none of this will matter cause TB allows it to fade away while we are here trying to start a fire under their ass to fix the issues they refuse to publicly acknowledge

[bitter seal]

I agree but also I guess I don’t understand why someone selected to be a mod (which I understand is not directly tied to TBS) would sit and provoke players just because they can whereas other mods are respectful and I respect as well

[livid harness]

Maybe that proves that torn banner doesn't read or care about these post cause if they did they would see a mod they selected creating issue. But then again. That's all I do. Lol so if I can dish it I will be fine letting others do the same

[bitter seal]

yeah idc that he creates issues its rather that he agrees and says he emphasizes with the players but then goes out of his way to argue lol

he will say yeah those issues are valid then argue on how nothing we say would actually fix them so it seems stupid

also a new bug that he said they are aware of

like i cant even find NA east duel servers and thats whats most enjoyable for me to play

but like look at this.. seems unnecessary

[mint needle]

@bitter seal are they down again?

Apparently it’s an issue with their auto restart

They shut off and don’t come on again

Been happening since Thursday

[bitter seal]

i mean i dont see them

idk about other people

[mint needle]

Are you sorting by game mode by any chance @bitter seal?

As I don’t see any of the other modes

[bitter seal]

sorting by duels

but it doesnt matter with no filters they dont show up regardless

[dim widget]

dont see servers either

[mint needle]

Maybe when NA east servers restart they restart as EU west servers

[dim widget]

ye no east or central duels

shit ton of FFAs tho

[muted lake]

That’s my problem with the mods, they comment on things they shouldn’t, pretending they have a clue about what’s going on; in reality they don’t. They do it so they feel on top of you like a power move it’s so sad man

but that’s not the major concern; the game is the major concern lmao

[mint needle]

Yeah that's totally why

[rare dagger]

These assumptions couldn't be more wrong, none of us feel superior in any capacity. We're normal players that only chose to take extra responsibility for the community. Our opinions are our own and you dismissing our thoughts is rather distasteful and unnecessary, especially with this reasoning.

Lemon is a good dude, and just like anyone else on here has his own opinion. You can agree or disagree but please don't dismiss him for your perceived tone of his. He's Australian, they can be pretty blunt at times

In regards.to this thread, there's some good points but I myself can't relate much because I don't take video games this seriously. To each their own though and I respect your dedication.

[muted lake]

Mods having stick up there ass part 2.5, didn’t require 3 mod posts to respond to that 😂 must of hurt someone(s) feelings

[muted lake]

You guys dismiss us just as much, so you to tell me not to dismiss them is so rich to hear

That’s a thing I dislike about you guys and you nailed it in further

tell us to do one thing while u while go do the exact opposite because ur mods it’s whatever u bring it up as excuse

[rare dagger]

Hey buddy, you're still dismissing... And yeah my feelings are hurt because your attacking us while I haven't done anything to you

[muted lake]

Many times mods have dismissed people because the mod thinks there opinion/experience is superior

[rare dagger]

Feels like you didn't understand my previous post

[muted lake]

I read it and it’s a typical mod response

[rare dagger]

Whatever that means...

[muted lake]

#1022942639978455050 message
Is enough said, you telling players to not dismiss peoples thoughts , I totally agree with it.
But to then presume mods don’t do this because they’re mods is just so stupid. They do this. Practice what you preach.

[mint needle]

Couldn’t we say the same to you?

Disagreement isn’t the same as dismissing things

I have disagreed with many people

But that’s one opinion against another

[muted lake]

You could say the same to me, but I’m not the one who acts superior all the time

People who act like that should practice what they are preaching otherwise nobody will follow suit.

but you’re definitely lying when you say u just disagree. You leave sly comments all the time poking at something

you’re a different breed imo

[mint needle]

I ain’t dismissing anyone with those cheeky comments

They’re just cheeky comments

We can all have fun

[gritty finch]

Jannies malding

[crisp olive]

FFA need to get rid of fucking bots

[mint needle]

It really does actually

We had this problem before

They lessened the bots

And now there's lots of bots again

[crisp olive]

Then why the fuxk isn't dev remove it

It can't be that hard

[mint needle]

Well they did

Then added them again apparently

[crisp olive]

Make it off again

[merry ridge]

Lol they probably didn't even intend to add the bots

Incompetent

Someone said votekick is back in there too what a disaster

How fortunate to not be playing this game anymore 🤭

[arctic dawn]

STILL WAITING FOR CROSSPLAY AND CROSSPROGRESION
unistalling

[crisp olive]

Use a damn server browser

[arctic dawn]

my damn crossprogression doesn't works with that, 64p servers at server browser doesn't exists, useless solution bro

[mint needle]

Server browser is rather limited on game modes

[crisp olive]

64p is mid

[mint needle]

And yet most popular mode

[arctic dawn]

and no servers at server browser, is a bit ridiculous or not?

[mint needle]

It is a bit

Most advertised mode too

Yet it’s matchmaking only

[arctic dawn]

and it's sad

every day this is more sad game with this idiot things

this simple features would make us play more and having less idiot issues
STILL WAITING FOR CROSSPLAY AND CROSSPROGRESION
playing for 2 years, this is boring

[stray remnant]

That's why scam banner should make me ceo

[muted lake]

the devs have a version control issue for sure, changes reverting randomly quite a fair bit more examples than just this

these reverts are never documented or added in change notes so I presume it’s unintentional

[versed garden]

Console player POV: You throw your weapon but there’s a 1.5 second delay, you pick up your weapon but your emote wheel pops up too then your camera locks because of the emote wheel.

[gritty finch]

Ping a developer to let them know!

[versed garden]

Ziggy did that and he got muted for a week

[hollow herald]

he pinged them with kinda no purpose so they muted him

if it's a genuine ping surely they wouldn't mute you if you had good reason

[sterile canopy]

Don’t risk it

Use chiv mail

Although it does appear to be missing from the member list

[woven beacon]

It doesn't appear in forum threads

[alpine goblet]

This game needs nudity

[brisk onyx]

Real.

[hollow herald]

You shouldn't have to feel like you're walking on eggshells here

[brisk onyx]

As long as you don't say anything disrespectful or be annoying you can try to ping the mods and dev team

But also, I wouldn't just because they're on company time

Unless its something like direct feedback on a topic they requested feedback on, in which I don't think it would hurt to ping

[mint needle]

Pinging them just to vent isn’t a great idea

[brisk onyx]

^

[hollow herald]

Can I ping them to go make an anime by contacting TRIGGER studio and Netflix productions?

Is that a good reason to ping them?

[brisk onyx]

As a business opportunity yes

As a shitpost no

[mint needle]

It would literally just be trying to make them read a feedback thread again

[brisk onyx]

That's true

[hollow herald]

I'm just saying Cyberpunk got 2mil sales after Edgerunners 😳

Now obviously the anime has to be good but still

[brisk onyx]

😳

Write that down WRITE THAT DOWN

[hollow herald]

The player count also jumped up by 350% from the month prior

Which means all the old players came back

In a SINGLE PLAYER game

[brisk onyx]

I SEE MONEY TO BE MADE

[hollow herald]

There's a ton of money to be made unfortunately I doubt that torn Banner has the pull to initiate a deal with a foreign animation studio and Netflix productions

Then again Netflix will produce anything

[sudden topaz]

It did also get a couple 50% sales back to back though didn't it

[brisk onyx]

I feel like an animated/anime movie would do better, just because the events of CMW is pretty straightforward

[hollow herald]

Between the time that the anime was released and now, I'm not sure. But I do know that they had an update which had some content featured in the anime

It was a combination of many factors but the overarching theme that allowed them to succeed was just having the show and game integrated seamlessly to where the line was blurred

If you watched and played both, they felt very faithful to each other. This caused the people who bought the game to watch the show and the people who watched the show to buy the game

[sudden topaz]

Yeah having a sale after the anime becomes popular is a smart move regardless

[hollow herald]

To go from a game which was removed from the PlayStation store to being praised is pretty good

[sudden topaz]

Yeah looks like game was 50% off on Sept 12th, anime came out 13th

good decision

[hollow herald]

If anything, anime can be used to farm sales off of gullible children

[brisk onyx]

Cyberpunk being praised is depressing, knowing how bad it flopped

They're being rewarded for a mediocre product

[sudden topaz]

Not really

[brisk onyx]

And a fantastic tie-in

[hollow herald]

Well it was not praised when it released. It's being praised to now because they significantly improved the game

A lot of the issues that people had with the game are gone

[sudden topaz]

^ Yeah, exactly

[hollow herald]

My friend is one of the people who purchased the game only because of the anime, and he said the only issue that he has experienced is the pop in with police

[sudden topaz]

They were not rewarded for a mediocre product, they were rewarded with people rebuying the game after it became good. That is rewarding the behaviour you want to see

[hollow herald]

On the other hand, I had a friend who purchased the game when it first released and he said it was completely unplayable to the point where he uninstalled it

[hollow herald]

Yeah all the stars aligned. The anime was good. The game was good. There was a sale.

Literally firing on all cylinders

[brisk onyx]

As a AAA company, they shouldn't have let that happen anyways

[hollow herald]

Did they bit off more than they could chew. They were working on that game for something like 7 years and then they needed to release it because they ran out of money

But it all worked out in the end for them because now they have 20 million sales

[deep zinc]

So they can make MORE MEDIOCRE GAMES AHHH

[hollow herald]

And they've already greenlit a sequel after the success of the anime

[brisk onyx]

UHHHHHHHH

[hollow herald]

I think multiple sequels actually have been greenlit

[brisk onyx]

They're being taught that overambition is a good thing

[hollow herald]

Before cyberpunk, CD project red praised for being a legendary studio that produced some of the best games possible. Always polished and content rich

Cyberpunk was pretty much their only mistake

[brisk onyx]

The most recent Witcher game was mediocre

Cyberpunk was overambition

[hollow herald]

I read their plans. It seems like they're learning from their mistakes. For example, their newer cyberpunk game is going to be a much smaller scale project which they said they're working on to build some foundational features like the new engine and assets which will then be used on the sequel to that game which will be a much larger project similar to cyberpunk currently but with all the assets that were made for the smaller game being used to save money and time on developing those resources

It seems like they're planning ahead, a very far amount ahead

[sudden topaz]

I've always wondered how much of Cyberpunks issues was caused by them trying to do a multiplayer portion for it as well, if that split the team/resources or required certain design decisions that compromised the product when looked at in strictly singleplayer viewpoint.

It was announced to be cancelled about a year after launch; https://www.techradar.com/news/cyberpunk-2077s-multiplayer-game-has-been-cancelled

[deep zinc]

Witcher 1 and 2 are NOT that good

Witcher 3 was the only game that'd I'd describe as above a 7/10

Maybe the new version of cyberpunk

[brisk onyx]

Witcher 3 was a solid 5

[deep zinc]

Btw I actually played both 1 and 2 to completion and every moment spent with witcher 1 was pain

Witcher 3 is just so good everyone remembers CDR fondly exclusively based on how good that was

Definitely a breakthrough title

[junior solar]

True wth was that combat

[sudden topaz]

I remember them fondly because they gave me a bunch of free beer at PAX but yeah basically

[sudden topaz]

Osu! basically

[junior solar]

Unironically true

I never beat Witcher 1 due to it and Witcher 2 never hooked me but Witcher 3 story telling alone carried me through every second

I've never been so invested in story before

[sudden topaz]

1 and 2 are worth watching a story recap for just to avoid playing it

[deep zinc]

DISCO ELYSIUM

Btw I also read the books

[junior solar]

I bought it... And I tried so hard to get hooked but I got so bored of the first bit of it

Does it get better?

[deep zinc]

oh god yeah

[junior solar]

Seems really slow

[deep zinc]

It's only 20 hours but after the first day it escalates

Also the new edition adds dialogue, quests, voice acting

[junior solar]

Bruh it's only 20 hours

[deep zinc]

Still think the funniest thign I've ever read was Kim, day 1, pointing out I had been running around the snow covered city in JUST ONE SHOE

[deep zinc]

It's a murder mystery!

Tight as fuck writing

(if you don't pick up your second shoe, Kim actually reacts to it)

Or the time I pointed a gun in my own mouth to "establish dominance"

[junior solar]

I do really like the dialogue choices

Those were unique

[deep zinc]

Also the devs thanked Karl Marx at a game awards show and that's Sick

[brisk onyx]

Not really...

It's super slow

It's got some comedy, but the comedy is "haha kid says adult language and laughs at a hanging corpse" and "haha your character is incompetent"

[deep zinc]

Someone doesn't appreciate slapschtick

(also your incompetence is determined by your skillset)

(you're good at shit you invest in)

[brisk onyx]

If it had more than just slapstick I would enjoy it

I didn't really enjoy my experience, not a good use of 60 bucks

[brisk onyx]

Even the skill set I was invested in I was a lunatic at

Ive played enough Morrowind to know about skill sets and to use them

[crisp olive]

They still don't fix the issue on console

We need chivalry medieval warfare dev to fix it

[brisk onyx]

We need the classic folks back

Not these lazy college students

[crisp olive]

College students is trash

[brisk onyx]

College makes you lazy, stagnate

[crisp olive]

Imagine learning nothing and paying 100,000 debt

[brisk onyx]

Complacent

[crisp olive]

Fr

[brisk onyx]

It teaches you to be useless

Trade schools I feel are the way to go, but they're just as bad as college and uni

[crisp olive]

Or shitty political person

[brisk onyx]

Or to be an asshole

Or to be an addict

(Crush)

[crisp olive]

Eh trade school is fun

Become welder

[brisk onyx]

Become carpenter

[crisp olive]

Hell yeah

Build medieval house

[brisk onyx]

That would mean I'd need to be a stonemason

I could do that

Rebuild Hadrians Wall

[candid nest]

We really need that hotpatchie to fix

[vivid heron]

kinda late but GET KOTOR 2!

its absolutely amazing

especially with tslrcm

[fervent prairie]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance is my favorite RPG of all time

It's got good visuals

Good combat

Good story

Good soundtrack

Everything is there

And it's made by a small team called "Warhorse"

[alpine goblet]

Kingdom Come: Three Hour Tutorial

[fervent prairie]

I'm not complaining

It's good at setting up the rest of the game

I think they did a good job

It is appropriately long for how long the rest of the game is

(I sank 80 hours into my first run)

(Still not 100%)

[silk vortex]

maybe the feeedback forum is set to ignore for all the devs.
Its like putting a "feedback/complaints" sticker on the lid of a trashbin.

Everyone also starts to listen when their wallet doesn't fill up as quickly as it used to for some reason, hint hint.

[silk vortex]

4400 comments yeeeesh

[rare dagger]

Hey buddy

[tender basin]

Try not to put us all in the same boat as TBS

[silk vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[crisp olive]

Did they fix it?

[prisma terrace]

Should write a play to perform in galencourt fr

That would be new

[delicate vessel]

real

[brisk onyx]

By "It" you mean same attack feints? No

[crisp olive]

Bruh

[silk vortex]

10/10 experience accelerating all my attacks on the poor xbox users and watching them helplessly try and strike me while they accidentally queue feints. Thanks Torn Banner for making PC gameplay dominate. Those xbox guys should think about upgrading, amirite?

[naive moth]

free ziggy!

[hollow herald]

He broke the rules 🤷‍♂️

[silver dove]

The noobs should learn not to spam and utilize same side feints

Took a day for me to master

[brisk onyx]

[silk vortex]

No he pinged the community manger for a good reason lol

https://tenor.com/view/the-problem-is-theyre-just-not-very-good-at-their-job-zach-jobe-donut-media-not-doing-well-at-their-job-not-that-good-gif-19064873

[mint needle]

To insult them yes

Good reason indeed

[silk vortex]

Where was the insult?

“Do your job” is an insult to you? Come on now 🤣

[mint needle]

Um, yes

[silk vortex]

How?

[mint needle]

You open up discord you see a notification, go to read it and it’s some one getting your attention telling you that you’re bad

It’s not helpful

It’s not needed

It only serves to demean

[silk vortex]

Ziggy didn’t say that. Don’t put words into others mouths. He said “do your job” that’s it. Other people in the thread definitely have but I don’t understand your point here with ziggy.

[mint needle]

Oh so he thinks that they’re doing a great job and it was just a word of encouragement was it?

Don’t be silly

[silk vortex]

So you went from Jen to all of TBS

Don’t be silly man

[mint needle]

What?

I was meaning Jen

What do you think he was trying to do then?

How was such a thing “needed”

[silk vortex]

Regardless that’s not what he typed up. You are adding that to fit the narrative. This thread was created because the game is in a horrible state. He pinged her because him self and many others are upset and at the time there was no acknowledgment from TBS. He pinged her for a reason to get some type of attention to the thread not to just insult her.

People are frustrated and have been for months. He spoke up.

Taking that as an insult is childish

[mint needle]

What you just described was childish lol

[fervent prairie]

It's part of a studio's job to communicate with he community, so if that studio isn't communicating, then the community should have every right to complain

[silk vortex]

No it’s not lmao

[mint needle]

Yes telling someone to do their job to get their attention

There’s other ways of doing it

[fervent prairie]

So you're telling me to go tweet @ them

[silk vortex]

Ok but to act like it’s an insult is ridiculous

[mint needle]

Not to mention you think they haven’t seen this thread?

[fervent prairie]

They certainly have

Connect has in particular

[silk vortex]

Hence why I said “at the time”

[mint needle]

They had also “at the time”

[silk vortex]

Ok how are we supposed to know when they never communicate anything?

[fervent prairie]

I have seen connect more than I have seen Jen so it's a little concerning that the CM isn't the one who you see the most

[deep zinc]

(Connects their assistant)

(So if you contact connect you contact Jen)

[fervent prairie]

I think connect should be the CM at that rate lol

[blissful hare]

honestly

[silk vortex]

Also @mint needle are you just a discord mod or do you help moderate in game servers as well. I’m not from OCE so I’m just curious.

[deep zinc]

If I was TB and I was looking at what Jen actually did as part of her day job, I'd be 100% on that but I'm not TB

[blissful hare]

gonna voice my opinion here, yall are right but so is lemon. ziggy did not just straight up say what you said, he did that because he was upset over her and it wasnt meant to be the most friendliest way

[silk vortex]

Ok but it wasn’t an insult

That’s my whole point

If he pinged her and said some not so friendly words then I would agree that it is an insult.

But it’s not

[blissful hare]

it was kinda insultive but some what reasonable because ziggy is fustrated that jen isnt communicating enough with the community.

the doubt of it being any what of an insult is wrong and thats why i agree with lemon on that

[mint needle]

Yes and letting loose your frustrations with a ping isn’t conducive to anything

[blissful hare]

you can voice ur concerns, you can be fustrated, but you can definitely tell when ur insulting or not.

[mint needle]

What do you want to know in particular

There has to be a clear goal with your actions

Not just “hey say something to me”

[silk vortex]

I mean the original post is clear

[mint needle]

Which one was yours again?

[silk vortex]

And he did ping her under this thread

[silk vortex]

I’m saying ziggys OP

[mint needle]

Oh

Oh you’re riko lol

Name change got me

[silk vortex]

Lmao just changed it

[brisk onyx]

riko going full rally for Chiv changes

[silk vortex]

I’ma be here till this game is fixed

[brisk onyx]

I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but it's not gonna be fixed

[deep zinc]

Ziggy knew he was going to muted, the only people who are concerned about the consequences of his actions are people who are not him.

He could have done 20 other things and that includes making a feedback post with "Jen, it'd be nice to see you here more often"

[brisk onyx]

I don't know why Ziggy would do that to be honest

[silk vortex]

My community received 8k donation for tournaments and events and we can’t do shit rn

[brisk onyx]

It wasn't like it was gonna change anything

[deep zinc]

The guy who's entire thing has been shitting on TB for a year?

[brisk onyx]

Not to mention TBB was delayed

[deep zinc]

He was fucking leaking the beta tests for new updates

[mint needle]

Forgive me for being unaware but what’s stopping you now?

[brisk onyx]

But it was an open beta?

[deep zinc]

Which btw, I also helped spread lol so I'm not like "oh what a piece of shit" but I'm not the one signing EULAs

[deep zinc]

Nooooo. He leaked the Hippodrome map 10 months ago before it even came out

[silk vortex]

The horrible lag for epics no private servers since they changed their guidelines. So all we get is a mod and still have to deal with randoms etc.

But really this update messed everything up

[brisk onyx]

Dude, they leaked it themselves 10 months ago

Same with Katars, repeating crossbow, and armored fists

[mint needle]

Personally I don’t agree with the policy when it comes to giving out passworded servers

[deep zinc]

I wasn't directly leaked this shit, but I had leaked skins, weapons, I knew the katars were out 6 months ago way before they announced it

[mint needle]

We should give them for all events

[blissful hare]

Pretty sure someone told ziggy and then he leaked it, he didnt like find out

[mint needle]

Not just interclan ones

[deep zinc]

No, Katars weren't shown that far back

[silk vortex]

Yea it’s ridiculous they changed it like 3 times

[hollow herald]

It wasn't really for a good reason. It didn't achieve anything. He didn't insult her, but it was totally not worth the ping.

I've said this before, but if you're going to ping one of the staff, at least make it something worth their time reading

[deep zinc]

Anyway Ziggy got banned for it, like, permabanned, and the fact he can stream the game/play the game today is because TB allowed him back

[silk vortex]

Yea he didn’t insult her

That’s my whole argument

[mint needle]

Yes other people have pinged the devs and lived

[deep zinc]

So, when I say he's known for this shit, it's almost all he does in this community

[mint needle]

Why?

Because they had something worthwhile to say

[blissful hare]

i can get myself banned still for leaking stuff without even signing a NDA

[hollow herald]

You're correct. He did not insult her. But it was a little sarcastic. Because the comment implies that she currently doesn't do her job, which is just incorrect

She obviously does her job

[silk vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-movie-blush-gif-24908885

[brisk onyx]

You can get banned on a whim

[mint needle]

I can do it right now just because I feel like it

But I’d feel guilty

[deep zinc]

Anyway a lot of the time I think Ziggys got the right idea and good opinions on balance, etc, but he also likes mellodrama

[blissful hare]

though i kinda do it already in a hype way and hints

[silk vortex]

I agree at-least if there’s cash prizes

[deep zinc]

So when he gets himself banned doing dumb shit, it's theatre.

[brisk onyx]

I would ping Jen with constructive criticism, but at this point I don't know if it's all her fault or not

It just seems like many things, not lack of communication

[mint needle]

I think people are worried that a bunch of smaller events would request servers

[blissful hare]

it may not be her fault

[silk vortex]

Like if my group is putting up $1000 for one tournament we damn well deserve a passworded server

[mint needle]

But we basically never get small event requests

[blissful hare]

but head devs

[mint needle]

They’re always large

[blissful hare]

wwhen i was CM on a modding group the head devs or admins were the only reason i couldnt do my job at all right. because they overruled me and thus community stuff sometimes never got in for that mod

[brisk onyx]

I've had theories about the dev team knowing the games code is unstable, and them not making big changes because they're trying to get to the root

[silk vortex]

It’s just discouraging as hell to event host a tournament now

[deep zinc]

Yeah I want custom servers too. WAITIN'

[mint needle]

Overruled what exactly?

What things to put in the mod?

[silk vortex]

I don’t even want custom servers rn I just want a borrowed passworded server so I can host these events properly

But then again we still have the Epics issue

[blissful hare]

the community suggested assets just as armor or weapons, balance changes etc. i would work with the balance team and we would discuss it only to be given a No from the head developers because they didnt want to bother with it.

same with maps

[mint needle]

Well I’ve been in that head dev position and let me tell you most suggestions for asset additions are silly ideas

[hollow herald]

Smoke bombs

😀

[mint needle]

Well you have good ideas

[blissful hare]

these werent though, we were adding straight up nonstop items that didnt fit the mods timeline anymore and the mod was becoming increasingly unbalanced. it was the entire team vs the heads

[mint needle]

What game was it for

[blissful hare]

and we wanted to add stuff that fit the timeline

[blissful hare]

mount and blade warband

[mint needle]

I mean that’s just unbalanced by nature

[blissful hare]

the og game is not if you mod it a lot

[mint needle]

Then you gotta spend time making the asset

Making the maps

[blissful hare]

the assets were there

the mapper was there

[mint needle]

Did you have permission for the assets?

[blissful hare]

yes

that was my job as well

even had to go into the chinese forums for some lsp perms that took some time

it was also increasingly bothering me that we kept paying this guy that made older assets for more when i discovered he practically stole the model and textured them only

and heads also ignored me on it

[mint needle]

Ayyyy

DMCA

[blissful hare]

yup

[silk vortex]

All they need to do to make this game great is

-have a working party system
-have CRoss play parties

• fix the freezing issues for epics
  -change their policy for TBS support for events.
• have separate LTS and FFA game mode
  -Stop focusing just Team objective mode
• revert the Xbox controller changes
• interact with their community
• have more in game mods not just discord mods because these game pass players don’t follow rules

And whole bunch of other things I don’t feel like typing out rn.

[mint needle]

Good list

[hollow herald]

We've already talked about what we need. It's the big three.

[silk vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-steven-duran-istaysharp-tiktok-i-dont-ask-for-much-im-not-asking-for-a-lot-gif-17979639

[blissful hare]

Roosevelt Churchill and Stalin?

[hollow herald]

Private servers, mod support, ranked

Everything else is extra or a bonus

[silk vortex]

Make it the big 4

[blissful hare]

mod support will be really nice but we need private servers really to get mod support in much

[silk vortex]

They need to fix all these bugs

[hollow herald]

No point in asking for what they're already giving you.

[silk vortex]

Like if they had ranked rn with how the game is playing I wouldn’t even touch it

[hollow herald]

They don't plan on the game being broken

[silk vortex]

Fair

[hollow herald]

But maybe it should because pretty much every update breaks the game in some way, even ironically the update meant to fix the game

[silk vortex]

But like come on every update brings more chaos

I don’t mean to insult but what are these devs doing

Are they fresh out of college

[hollow herald]

I don't know, but what I do know is that I want the big three

I really don't care about anything else. Obviously it's nice if we get all that other stuff, but it's not necessary.

But I truly do believe that you need the big three to keep the game going for years to come and otherwise it will just fizzle out as it has continued to lose players over time

[silk vortex]

The big 4

They need cross play parties to retain console players

[hollow herald]

Yeah, but they're already working on that.

I suggest a big three because I believe that none of them are currently being worked on but I believe that all of them are absolutely necessary

[sudden loom]

Ban someone?

Stereotypical discord mod behavior

[sudden loom]

How 🦆

Please enlighten us as to all the ways we can, at this point, politely get TBS’s attention and get some sort of response back

[brisk onyx]

Ban me, ban me! : )

[gritty finch]

No matter where you are in life, what challenges you are facing, or however broken Chiv 2. At least you aren't a discord mod.

Chin up boys

[dusk basin]

I'm questioning if the community should even be concerned on the method of trying to let the team know about the issues. The feedback and concerns are visible and doesn't need to be any more digestible.

It looks more like "they choose not to respond/look away" instead of a "delivery of the feedback issue"

[sudden loom]

||I know||

[tropic pilot]

HEY GUYS does Ps5 offer mouse and keyboard support or not

[dusk basin]

Idk, do you have a mouse and keyboard?

Give it a shot

[tropic pilot]

I have the game on epic rn and it's stupidly unplayable

Figured I could snag a free month of game pass and play on my ps5 instead

[sudden loom]

It won’t fix anything

[dusk basin]

I've seen your vids when I first started chiv, it's pretty understandable why it's frustrating especially with your level of investment

[tropic pilot]

<3<3<3<3<3<3
I thought the stuttering was localized to mostly epic users?

[sudden loom]

It’s not

[sudden loom]

I’m not that ziggy, sorry, but I share the same frustrations

[dusk basin]

Oh damn my bad

[tropic pilot]

New update single handedly killed the comp scene

[sudden loom]

He’s currently muted

[crisp olive]

By weakest feeling mod

[silver dove]

Mods are also very prone to have sensitive ears

[crisp olive]

Imagine

[dusk basin]

Mods are from the community, right? Or are they TBS staff?

[blissful hare]

community

[dusk basin]

Warframe did that with their forums and in-game region chat a long time ago

It did not end well

[blissful hare]

comm mods arent bad but theres always gonna be somewhere a flaw on anyone modding

its the same for a company assigned ones, maybe worse in some ways since they wont be playing the game as comm mods do

[dusk basin]

Each route has their strengths and flaws

You're right.

[blissful hare]

Lemons issue seems to be usually rather focus on this then this, this doesnt have much attention then this, Dont do this just because they are like this, idk seems too defensive over TBS on the flaws they have and too objective.

so he kinda made a lot of people in these discussions not really keen on his opinion

[dusk basin]

Mods are a weird case for this, since they're not official staff, they don't have influence on the direction of the game, yet they have some form of authority over the majority of users.

[wary umbra]

Most of the mods are great and do a good job

For chiv atleast

[blissful hare]

Like I wont doubt the community is doing some dumb things they shouldnt be doing, some pointless blaming, people get mad at Tornbanner not really doing a great job nor talking much with the community and it seems to be getting to a point where tbs ignoring isnt gonna help at all and only cause more problems in the future with community and tbs

[dusk basin]

I'm glad to hear that, that's pretty cool then

[blissful hare]

Eventually we will see what will happen in the future, and i hope it will go on the right path but been hoping for a while now

and not much has occurred since then

[dusk basin]

Yeah, I'm more or less a spectator and a player of the game. I don't have much weight in the politics of this game but I can understand it enough see the issues.

Let's hope it does.

I'm happy enough to spam Mason MAA from CMW voicelines with my homies, but also I know theres a lot more potential in this game.

[brisk onyx]

No it doesnt

[brisk onyx]

How many times have you been mistaken for an alt?

[dusk basin]

Yo is that the clown with the show with the couch?

[brisk onyx]

I have no clue

I am sad clown

[dusk basin]

The price of always giving smiles is that you'll always be full of sadness

😔

[brisk onyx]

As long as I make someone happy, my life is fulfilled

[sterile canopy]

I love this game dearly but after all these game issues and the recent pinging rule debacle I will not be funding the game or the studio behind it for any reason until they start interacting with the community in any capacity.

I strongly urge the rest of you to do the same, hit them where they care.

[sudden loom]

We already bought the game

[regal owl]

yep 😔

[sterile canopy]

I understand that yall, dlcs, in game currency, future or past games.

And I still stand by it until interaction is regular.

[sudden loom]

it's literally better to play on eu servers rn...

[sterile canopy]

It puts me in em regardless lol

[unborn frost]

CROSSPLAY PARTIES PLEASEEEEE

[brisk onyx]

As someone who says and feels the same thing, just move on.

[vagrant widget]

Ranked mode pleaseeeeee

[brisk onyx]

There are plenty more games to play and more productive things to do

[vagrant widget]

Yes

[zealous python]

New ping rule?

[blissful hare]

Huh?

Are you Central?

[sudden loom]

No

[blissful hare]

Well only us central servers are really laggy

[brisk onyx]

Weeeeeelllll

[blissful hare]

They been laggy for months and getting worse 🥲

[brisk onyx]

East servers are unstable and sluggish, and west servers are sluggish and hitch

All the servers suck mega

[blissful hare]

Was fine for me today besides central hmmm

[sterile canopy]

Honestly livid that after all the silly shit that gets posted here I suggest something that would actually effect the problems we’re having and I get clowned on.

[sterile canopy]

It does not state in the rules that pinging higher ups in the server is forbidden but doing so for any reason results in an automatic mute.

[sterile canopy]

Why are you in this chat if you don’t believe we should be doing something about the issues with the game and the company.

[tender basin]

It’s not even worth it man, you’re better off dedicating your time and energy elsewhere, which I think clownfighters also saying in his own way

[sterile canopy]

It doesn’t require any energy to do, and it hits them where they care.

[tender basin]

Not buying stuff? They already got us for their biggest package, the game

[wet flame]

Me if chiv2 had good drip

[tender basin]

But I agree with ya it’s just there’s how many people in the world? Even if it’s not us people will probably still buy stuff

A lot of people didn’t like what went down with CMW and Mirage, and yet Chivalry 2 still sold 2.2 mil copies for example

[zealous python]

🗿

[dusk basin]

I think Clown agrees with you. It's more of lowering the level of investment so you're not putting so much energy in something that'll wind up making you more frustrated.

"Not supporting until X and/or Y is done" is a more active version of "Moving on". Cuz you gotta put time and energy on keeping tabs on activity and putting yourself in a situation where you can be disappointed.

Whereas "moving on" means you put that energy on things that you can enjoy instead. If that includes playing chiv then it's possible to play and not focus on hoping things change

[sterile canopy]

Brother I understand but I enjoy the game, and I’m out here on the discord regardless. And if you’re here I assume you’re in the same boat.

What effort am I expending. It’s semantics.

I’d like to see the game do well but it’s clearly out of my hands. So why would I be waiting up on it?

I see updates, I see activity here. Meh.

I just don’t understand why it is difficult in any way to not fund the company until they get it together. Or how it’s a bad move in any way.

Like if I said “ah I’m not gonna give money to Nintendo until I see them cool it with the copyright stuff” what’s wrong with that? And what is difficult about doing that?

I’m off it at this point y’all spend your money as you’d like.

[flint chasm]

I understand the sentiment but they already have our money.

[dusk basin]

It's not hard to understand the concept at all. It's agreeable

Don't pay for shit that doesn't work the way you'd like basically

Way I see it is; Game is in bad state > It upsets players > Community lets the issue be known > No communication back to community > Upsets community more. And creates the cycle.

Idk how to put it, just more so I wanna help the bros mentally fortify against the bullshit. Cuz like like you said it's out of our hands and the only control we have is our attitude and reactions.

[silk vortex]

#freeziggy

[sterile canopy]

Read the posts

[flint chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-hindi-bollywood-ignore-gif-9870264

[brisk onyx]

Because people need to get over it and move on with their lives

[silent sapphire]

What a joke this game has become

[tender basin]

https://tenor.com/view/froggy-key-peele-gif-23840106

[woven beacon]

We just love duelling

[sudden loom]

NA players do, too, and we wouldn’t have servers with 2 people in them

I can’t even join a duel server

I’m moving to Europe

[blissful hare]

EU more like Ew 😎

[sudden loom]

Imagine

Feels bad man

[brisk onyx]

So THIS is where all na West's duel servers went?

[sudden loom]

It’s where they all went

[mint needle]

They are aware of the EU supremacy

[brisk onyx]

They better change it back

I can only duel on FFA servers now

[sterile canopy]

I think you need to get over it and move on with your life

I jest but also fuck you and everything you stand for

[brisk onyx]

I agree

[sterile canopy]

[unborn frost]

Are you from the land down under

[lilac pagoda]

DICE momento

[hollow herald]

#🪓︱chivalry2 message this comment aged like milk

[brisk onyx]

[hollow herald]

ouch

[blissful hare]

yeah its kinda crazy reading the old stuff and now when you look at today

its just community wanting devs to actively communicate/listen to them

[flint plover]

This game needs 2 more years of development maybe by then there will be custom lobbies

[zealous python]

That stings

[flint plover]

Having the console experience be at the worst it’s ever been on top of having the most exposure to console players at this stage has been so disheartening

[zealous python]

It’s such a weird dynamic, now

It’s more available to consoles now more than ever, but like you said, the whole experience is extremely watered down now and they’ve essentially killed the duel servers

[flint plover]

Like instead of teaching a whole new player base we have to yet again tell them to wait for hotfixes incoming

[zealous python]

IMO, the whole game was hit hard due to this whole “live-service” model. Games were already getting regularly updated and content added even ten, twelve years ago, WAY before that whole idea ever even came about.

[flint plover]

What are these controls, why is my menu stuck, why is my shield blue as mason in cutscenes

We shouldn’t even be having to answer these questions a year and a half in

[zealous python]

TB was never big enough at launch to support the “live service” model as defined, anyway, why waste time with that? Just add updates and content as you please, no need to follow this silly business model just because it’s a trend

[flint plover]

They need to make it playable for console players first. They just sending them out into the slaughter so people on PC can’t say the game is dead.

[zealous python]

Literally

Just work entirely on fixing your game, and then worry about more content

[flint plover]

Make it playable and people will play it, not add something to bring back people for a few weeks then leave because the issues that caused them to leave in the first place aren’t fixed

[hollow herald]

The most successful games in the world go off of this model. The alternative mode to success is much more difficult for them

[zealous python]

Exactly. We have enough content right now, as is. This game was already a grind fest so any new weapons or armor is worth multiple times more matches. There’s enough of it, we don’t need any more right now.

Just literally make it playable and your content will carry your ship for now while you relax

[zealous python]

I mean to say that the model has actually been in practice in the industry for decades, but the actual concept of the “live service model” is relatively new, so there’s suddenly much more pressure to push out content than there was in ye olden times of gaming

[hollow herald]

The alternative to pushing out content is to make a game so good that people want to play forever because the foundation is that strong

You tell me if that describes chivalry

[zealous python]

Chivalry has one of the strongest foundations in any game of recent year. The backbone of this game is near perfect, in terms of other games of its kind, on top of being simple enough to appeal to a casual audience

[flint plover]

It doesn’t cause they don’t support good gameplay loops

[zealous python]

The amount of untapped potential that lies in this soup is limitless

[hollow herald]

The foundation is not just a combat. The only strong aspect of chivalry is its combat system, its graphics, its maps. But there is more the foundation of the game.

Game modes, private servers, ranked play, mod support, customization, in game support for guilds, and so much more.

Chivalry has none of it. So in a sense all of the good aspects are put to waste if you don't play the game in a very specific way, that way being 64 player casual team objective

If you do not play the game in this very specific way, even though it is the most popular way, then the game is not made for you.

[zealous python]

The first Halo had none of that, either, aside from split screen

Granted, that was legitimately 20 years ago, but I think a game that good could always come around again

[hollow herald]

If you want to play the game competitively, we can't. If you want to do duels, you'll get randomed. If you want to play last team standing, the servers are empty. If you want to play free for all, the servers are either low population or you get vote kicked. If you want to play old legacy gamemodes from the original chivalry like capture the flag or king of the hill, you can't.

Even if you want to do something as simple as playing in a party with your friends on a different platform, you can't

[hollow herald]

The first chivalry had all of that (besides ranked)

But back then ranked matchmaking wasn't as common as it is today. Today, even the most casual of games have ranked

[zealous python]

I’ve never been one for the competitive scene, I don’t have a horse in that race, but I can understand the outcry for it, that’s vital for a games’ longevity

[hollow herald]

Chivalry 2 is too bare bones to support anything besides one specific group. And did the self-fulfilling prophecy because if you suggest anything else people will tell you that that is not what the majority want, but that is only not what the majority want because the game does not support any other possibility.

The game needs to expand its scope by capitalizing on its good foundational mechanics to play the game in different ways

[zealous python]

That honestly couldn’t have been said better

[hollow herald]

The idea is that they literally target nothing besides 64 player team objective. They don't want to capitalize on anything wrong using the game and its assets besides that one game mode

[flint plover]

Tbh the playerbases that have to deal with tanked or skill based matchmaking seem to hate it

*ranked

[zealous python]

As unfortunate at that is. It’s a problem

[hollow herald]

I don't want skill-based matchmaking. It is very important to keep the main game mode separate of the right mode

Also, the reason they hate it is because it's all ironically broken in some games. I would never suggest skill based matchmaking for chivalry and it's base team objective game

[flint plover]

It’s hard enough on the regular matchmaking

I don’t even think us talking about what TB should do is helping TB unfortunately

[blissful hare]

meanwhile New tweet from ChivalryGame:
https://twitter.com/ChivalryGame/status/1582110575198633984

Chivalry 2 (@ChivalryGame)

We are currently experiencing an issue with our Matchmaking servers, and Matchmaking via the Play menu will be unavailable as we investigate.

The Server Browser remains functional.

Twitter · Oct 17, 2022, 8:45 PM

we had server issues for months, why is this going on still

[hollow herald]

Very little could go wrong from giving us what we want because what we want is so intrinsic to the success of indie games at this point

[flint plover]

I’m just tired of asking for fixes for a year. even simple ones like the weapon descriptions

[hollow herald]

Sometimes they just don't think enough people care for it to be worth their time. Why do you think console players can't join password and servers for months?

It only affects maybe a hundred people, so it isn't a priority. I can't say I blame them there

[flint plover]

But also brings some of the biggest hype to the game

[hollow herald]

They do not feel the same

[flint plover]

Once again they hurt themselves in confusion because they invest in the tournaments

[hollow herald]

They invest in one tournament

[flint plover]

I get it 64 is where they want to funnel people in, but if they aren’t gonna do anything with the smaller game modes like ffa and LTS they should scrap

2 years we’ll probably have custom lobbies by then and it will be playable on console

[hollow herald]

They basically did scrap them

They subjected them to the server browser, where game modes go to die

[dry cove]

Bruh i cant even hop on and enjoy some duels anymore

Almost everytime i do well in a duel server i get kicked by gamepass noobs and banned for 30 minutes

[crisp olive]

Fr

[crisp olive]

You gonna need clans or someone that can vote no

[wary umbra]

hasnt happened to me yet i must not be famous enough

probably wouldnt happen on covfefe enjoyer

[blissful hare]

ah yes the CLASSIC clan advertisement, pretend to be gamepass newbs, mass kick gamers and then let them join ur clan to prevent it ez pz

😎

[unborn frost]

TB are the true keyboard warriors

Gamepass players can't see chat? for a whole fuccing year?

[mint needle]

Gamepass have had the game for a week

[zenith kestrel]

🥴

[silk vortex]

Pretty sure he means console players

But I believe that has to do with Microsoft and Sony and legal issues

[fervent prairie]

That wouldn't make sense considering Halo MCC, Destiny 2, Neverwinter, and MW2019 (just off the top of my head) all have chats that console players can both see and chat in

[blissful hare]

dude its not sony or microsoft

[hollow herald]

then what is it?

[fervent prairie]

Torn Banner

[halcyon ermine]

Nah that’s bullshit lol

Halo infinite has text chat

So does cod

And any other game with a text chat feature

Maybe Sony but it’s definitely not Microsoft

Pretty sure Apex has text chat

[dim sage]

All my friends are still yet to play this game because of the refusal to support linux

[brisk onyx]

I'm so sorry you use linux

Steam deck users getting the shaft

[silk vortex]

Tf did we do

[sudden topaz]

hoarding it all for yourselves

[silk vortex]

Fuck you lts amazing

[sudden topaz]

i bet

[silk vortex]

The fire are amazing the chicken feel like it’s from heaven. And the sauce? Don’t even get me started on it

[silver dove]

Poutine?

[sudden topaz]

le oui

[silver dove]

Spooked

👻

[proper token]

@zenith kestrel I hear ya. I purchased this day one on ps4 on a whim and I have seen the game consistently have more and more issues with each update. Certain things I could care less about as I enjoy the role playing aspect, being able to customize your character was great. Even when the tenosians were brought in I enjoyed it. I don’t play with other friends so the cross party thing was never a thing for me ( however I respect each of you who it does matter to ) however when the characters reset every time@I reload ( which I love tried every method you guys have helped with and it still at some@point resets ) it really makes it hard to want to sit down and customize all over every character from the beginning. Now with this update my r2 attack is constantly feinting even when I barely tap it and makes it hard to enjoy the matches. I’ve had to play as a ranged character just to be able to play, sine the feint doesn’t effect reloading your bow or crossbow. But even when I use the short sword it screws up. So this really hurts the replay value. I hope that they do consider the console players who have been there from the beginning but only time will tell.

[vivid oasis]

conspiracy theory: the game is being neglected because the teams moved on to another project

mirage 2 prob

[brisk onyx]

I hope this isn't the case

That would be a massive mistake, because they have something better here

[vivid oasis]

the devs are pretty good at making big mistakes

[brisk onyx]

Now that I think about it, Chiv 2 could be their fall back gane

But it'll die way before their next game is finished

[vivid oasis]

got like 2 months before the game pass players unlock everything and run out of stuff to do

[brisk onyx]

2 months before they get their shit together

[silver dove]

As long as chiv is on gamepass there gonna be alot of new Xbox players regardless

[flint plover]

Mirage 2 is gonna last twice as long this time 4 whole days instead of 2

[brisk onyx]

Wow! Thats 48 more hours!

[prisma terrace]

You guys forgot something tho

[sudden loom]

Better discord user spotted

[hollow herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/comments/y8q7gw/do_you_want_ranked_arena/

[brisk onyx]

Absolutely not

Ranked gamemodes destroy the casual gamemodes

All the competition is gonna be on ranked mode then it will slowly move over to the casual gamemode after people have gotten used to the lack of competition

Not to mention that duel servers are really all the competition you'll ever see

Besides getting level 300+ players once in a while on TO

[hollow herald]

we only want ranked Arena, not Ranked TO

TO would be terrible with skill based matchmaking or ranked mechanics. But Arena just isn't fun because all you do is stomp inexperienced players

and it isn't fun for the inexperienced players either. All they do is call me hacker lol

[muted lake]

false, 90% of players can’t chat 😂, how they call u cheater. Ranked arena makes sense, TO not so much

[wet flame]

Yeah because half of the playerbase is literally console players

[sterile canopy]

I’ll support ranked arena. I love it as a warm up at the moment but I’m almost always either matched with new players or lvl 300s wiping. I rarely get a fair fight.

It would slow down matchmaking but I’m happy to wait an extra minute for a good match.

[hollow herald]

I'm mainly talking before the game pass update. I played for an hour after the game pass update and I found out pretty fast that I'm not going to find anyone good

[hollow herald]

This really is the crux of the issue. There's no fair fights. It's only wipeouts in one direction or the other

At least in my experience. Obviously I have hundreds of hours so it's going to be unfair

I just want a fair fight for once

[sterile canopy]

Absolutely. Even how I use it (as a warm up for TO) it’s basically useless until I find someone who can give me a fair fight.

It’s why I mostly do 3v3s actually. Gives me a better chance of finding someone decent, and every other game is 1v3 so I get to practice target switching.

[hollow herald]

My friends and I can only find a challenge in 3v3 by throwing our weapons away and fighting with fists

[dry cove]

the game really needs ranked, pretty much every fighting game should have a ranked playlist in the year 2022.

[hollow herald]

People say this game is too arcady for ranked, but what was the most popular game in the arcade?...

[dry cove]

idk but if i had to guess street fighter/mortal kombat

[hollow herald]

Yes

[sudden topaz]

Yeah fighting games generally

Though in our local arcade (when it was still around) I think Maximum Tune was actually the biggest draw

[cold path]

yo, we still cant do clan matches

cause we cant get on the right teams

we need a server for matches in europe

[tidal lava]

How tf is this game arcady

Anyone who says it's arcady is dogshit at the game

[hollow herald]

lol

[sterile canopy]

It is arcady. That’s the point.

[sterile canopy]

Don’t take it as seriously, maybe you’ll have fun with it for once.

[tidal lava]

I dont

Sounds like you're coping

[sterile canopy]

Brother I am content. Are you?

[hollow herald]

https://discord.com/channels/209841695850889226/1029317103632797696

you know what we want

[gritty finch]

The game is casual and arcadey, anyone who says otherwise doesn't play video games.

You get big yellow text and numbers flashing on screen when you get killing sprees and style points. A big part of the game is about getting the highest score on your team and the lobby, not just kills. It apes call of duty, an arcadey action shooter

[silk vortex]

2 million copies of a game sold, only 3 thousand people on Steam?

[sterile canopy]

Hey I mean that’s up from a month or so ago. Was dipping below 2k for a minute.

[silk vortex]

I know, I post a screenshot every month or so

The last screenshot I posted for record sake was 900 people playong

[sterile canopy]

Holy shit lol

[crisp olive]

Because chivalry is lying

[brisk onyx]

"Steam is lieing!!!"

[silver dove]

They probably using gamepass players for that number 😂

If all 2m sales bought game at $40 chiv would be balling

[hollow herald]

every major casual game is also played competitively

its just the nature of video games. dudes like to tryhard

[silk vortex]

Idk where the numbers come from, just a general search and multiple sources saying TB sold 2 m copies and made about 17 m $

[hollow herald]

2 million copies sold during year one, 300k sold on Steam, 500k Gamepass downloads

[silk vortex]

So 300k sold and a peak player base of 3k on steam? Or what are you thoughts on steam charts and it's accuracy

And does anyone know of a way to see the PlayStation and Xbox player base status

[hollow herald]

It's incredibly accurate

[silk vortex]

Just making sure 😢

It's so sad to see.

[hollow herald]

There is no way to tell but it we can assume based on data that the Xbox playerbase (minus Gamepass users) is about 2-4x the epic userbase

[silk vortex]

And the epic userbase being?

[hollow herald]

It is the reality and something needs to change that's for sure

[hollow herald]

We have no way of knowing for sure but the most generous numbers possible would be 5x the Steam userbase

Have no way of knowing though

[silk vortex]

I miss my favorite game 😩

I just wanna play with my homies and all these UI bugs, and customization bugs, cross play bugs, etc... Just make it so much less enjoyable

[brisk onyx]

Steam players weren't retained

[mint needle]

The game is across multiple platform

And as weird as it may sound

Steam users probably have the highest standards

Epic users are made up of die hard fans that aren’t going to leave easily combined with let’s be honest some rather young users who may not even have a steam account

Console users do not have the same culture as PC users. No easily accessible reviews, discussion boards and low discord usage leading to many console users not hearing opinions other than their own

[silver dove]

Console chase mechanic cough cough*

[mint needle]

Most console users don’t even know the chase mechanic is a feature to begin with

So don’t know they’re missing out

I mean I’m pretty sure I remember you finding out about it here

At least someone from CC

[muted lake]

Since Xbox has discord app support they should allow devs to link discord on there Xbox store page. A few official Microsoft studio published titles have discord official discord servers, they should make it more obvious to players imo. But discord app on Xbox is relatively new so idk if they have all features

[flint plover]

The console players don’t know it’s in the game because we have a years worth of new players who’ve never had it in the first place. Meanwhile OG TO players like PizzaSteve have dropped chiv cause of not being able to catch players in TO

[prisma terrace]

Yessir it be like that

Since launch it no worky pretty sure?

[brisk onyx]

PizzaSteve

[silver dove]

Almost all console players who were heavily invested in this game don’t really play anymore

The entire CC clan is very apathetic towards chivalry due to us being treated like second class citizens

[hollow herald]

Completely justified too. I genuinely feel bad

Obviously this isn't how game development works, but I would rather have a an update that focuses purely on fixing every issue that console has exclusively rather than a content update

I think that the devs assume people don't really mind these issues because the overwhelming majority of the player base has a very poor understanding of the game. But people do notice, and it detracts from their enjoyment

On top of the fact that there are other priorities it ends up in these issues just being sidelined for years, and more likely the entire life span of the game

[alpine vault]

Once again consoles are hindering the game development

[fervent prairie]

Not our fault the game devs decided to make it a port instead of building the game for console

[alpine vault]

building game for console
That's even worse

[mint needle]

I mean it has to be the same because of crossplay

[fervent prairie]

Halo works good on PC and it's built for console

[brisk onyx]

No that was reddit's fault

Reddit doing the classic and complaining about a bind cause they have no clue how to do it

[versed garden]

This game has died on console tbh, pc is soon to come

[blissful hare]

PC has been dead

[silver dove]

Gamepass gives it the illusion of being alive

[mental quiver]

Fr. I'm like 90% sure all the gamepass players are actual bots

[analog cedar]

Damn I can’t even get into a party to play with a friend and the game is dying? Hella refunding on steam lmfao

[hollow herald]

they said they're working on crossplay parties

they were meant to come out in the last update but they were delayed

[analog cedar]

It isn’t cross play

We’re both on steam

Friends on steam, both pc, two separate accounts, both bought the game, no vpns, no firewalls

[hollow herald]

then that's just a bug. typically parties on the same platform work perfectly fine

[analog cedar]

Well, the fact that no one has responded to me from the support team and I’ve been asking on this discord for 12 hours, just proves this thread’s topic that much more

Can’t even play with friends on the same platform, what kind of indie game is this lol

[hollow herald]

yeah unfortunately communication isn't their strong suit.

but they are hard at work otherwise

[stray remnant]

They can't even put cross-platform parties after a whole year

Doubt their working hard

[prisma nymph]

This is how it goes every update. They’ve “been working on it” for almost 2 years now…..

[mint needle]

Game isn’t even that old

[nimble whale]

I’m almost certain they said this an entire YEAR ago lmfao

[silk vortex]

Yep. It was supposed to come in this most recent patch too..

[prisma nymph]

Considering it came out June in 2021 and was used as a pre release advertisement and also considering I said “almost”

So sorry, like a year and 8months?

[versed garden]

I’m theorizing it’ll take a few years due to how it took Ubisoft 5-6 years to get cross platform parties in For Honor. But it’s Ubisoft so maybe that’s why it took awhile, but Ubisoft is a larger company than Torn Banner. So with my theory of TB not being as big as Ubi, it may take them longer. Or cross-plat parties will never exist and this is just us being hopeful for something that may never come