Private servers when? You guys need to give the community proper tools.

[drifting totem]

Congratulations guys you did it

Time to lock up the thread

Its been real

[tulip marlin]

Surprised this hasn't been locked yet!!

[hybrid helm]

Cuz some of us don't wanna pay to rent a server

[misty apex]

i mean, they still havent given us a specified date. maybe when they do they can wrap this up?

[random wyvern]

I’m sure many of the clans will buy their own servers. I’ll buy one and make it open for all.

[hybrid helm]

You're not wrong obviously some are gonna buy a server so they can host stuff.

[cloud lotus]

I'm expecting clans to have their own private ones with maybe some that are at least semi-public or "community" servers

[misty apex]

private serevrs in

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/903585437828939807.webp?size=48&name=6years&quality=lossless

[hearty vale]

[sterile yew]

🔜

[hearty compass]

🧢

[elfin vigil]

bump because this has to happen

[tepid pawn]

it is gonna happen

[junior imp]

just like cross progression

[red folio]

I hope they add them but all XP should be forfeit in private servers period.

[hybrid helm]

We should be able to XP grind since there's no cross progression.

[pine totem]

A lot of people will put the majority of their hours in on private servers

If there's an exploit to farm exp the exploit should be patched, not the ability to earn xp

[hybrid helm]

Im cool with it if I can get some xp

[cloud lotus]

I can see why a game like DRG has xp on a separate save file than your main one when using mods that they define as changing up the game to a great extent. Like giving your weapon 500% damage and upping the spawn rate of enemies by 800%.

Chiv 2 doesn't have anything like this and any sort of xp exploit should just be addressed and fixed instead of peoples xp being stunted

[pine totem]

If they give us the ability to mod servers and it becomes and issue, then it could be revisited

Otherwise all you're doing by disabling xp is deincentivizing using the private servers with no real benefit

[fringe grove]

Chivalry 2

[tepid pawn]

they are coming 24th or 26th

[fringe grove]

Can confirm, I am Chivalry 2.

[tepid pawn]

no there were leaks

[fringe grove]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-liar-comedy-jim-carrey-it-was-me-me-gif-3527910

[waxen comet]

I wouldn't believe everything you hear

[thorny kite]

I would

[tepid pawn]

I would, hi moon

[waxen comet]

🤷‍♂️ do what you will

[tepid pawn]

man, chill, moonmoon is great

[cerulean swift]

He can be great and what I said be true at the same time

[fringe grove]

Why it get deleted?

[cerulean swift]

Because I had the audacity to be somewhat blunt with my words

and it was seen as being a "jerk"

genuine babymode mentality from the devs

When adressing a Torn Banner developer, you must envelop your criticisms in a verbal cushion that is accomodating to their sensitivites

[tepid pawn]

i wouldnt critizie one specific person...

[cerulean swift]

There's no more community manager. There is no other way to address them other than the two individuals on the team that are willing to interact with us

[waxen comet]

in a meeting, getting back to this in a sec

[drifting totem]

Stream it if you can

[cerulean swift]

unnecessary. you won't be able to answer any meaningful question. although that may not be your fault, it's entirely silly and so obviously it will be heavily criticized (sometimes with mean words attached!)

[tepid pawn]

especially since i (BELIEVE) moon does audio

[cerulean swift]

like I said he's the only one (maybe also connect) brave enough to tolerate our insults and ramblings

so he'll recieve the brunt of criticisms directed at the studio as a whole

[drifting totem]

Moonmoon right now:

[cerulean swift]

Barry is a very good show

[tepid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-eats-mm-rat-aardman-gif-25764900

can we all just take a moment to respect this rat?

[drifting totem]

One of my favs

Hank is S tier

[flat solstice]

idk why private servers are so incredibly unlikely/unwanted by TB. It'd just make every single thing easier for TB themselves. No mods needed to ban ppl, no more requirements to set up tournaments, etc

[cerulean swift]

It may have been disrespectful to say @waxen comet and I apologize if it offends you or the moderation team, but your studio, Torn Banner, IS sociall inept. It is a fact, not an insult meant to offend you guys

You do not know how to interact with your community members and that may not be directly your fault

[flat solstice]

moonmoon typing a mf essay in MLA format RN

[fringe grove]

Knowing TB private servers probably won’t come out until 2025

[drifting totem]

2024, its confirmed

[cerulean swift]

But the studio's inability to take criticism and feedback and improve based on that, is 100% truthful.

[fringe grove]

Didn’t they say it was gonna come out a year ago or something ?

[cerulean swift]

the most sympathetic, innofensive, respectful comment will be placed here very soon by Moonmoon (the unfortunate victim of the horde of chiv 2 goblins)

[drifting totem]

In 2023 they said private servers were coming next year (2024)

[fringe grove]

Private servers are needed since the official ones are ran by hackers which is also nice

[waxen comet]

I didn't remove the comment btw and it's getting a bit off topic, but ill look at clearing things up but then discussion should either wrap up or we should move it elsewhere.

1. I'm sorry you're unhappy with the current level of interaction. Believe it or not, that's something that we're aiming to address soon.
2. People have in their head that there's some information that's for sure and concrete based on speculation, and once they have it in their head, they get angry when it changes. My comment is saying don't have these expectations so that if it's not exactly what happens that they're not getting angry about it.
3. People want to know all the details on things but get angry when details change, but details are Always subject to change. Good example is the controversial cross progression cancellation. If I went into details now, and they change, I'm sure you would be unhappy with me for telling you incorrect information.

Now regarding Private Servers, we have confirmed they're coming officially (which we're very excited about). But, as it is a WIP, we don't want to reveal information until the time is right (both from a progress standpoint, and from a marketing standpoint).

Game dev is a very "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type job. So studios have different methods of approaching it. We've done both methods (sharing a lot and sharing a little), and both get about the same amount of anger.

Btw, we welcome cristicism, you'll notice a fair share of it across our channels. We only remove it if it's not constructive or it attacks the person behind it, not the problem itself 🙂

[tepid pawn]

moonmoon saving the day

[cerulean swift]

I agree with many of your points but at the end of the day many agree that Torn Banner has not improved interaction with its community EVER since the beginning of Chivalry 2.

In fact if you go back to pre-release developer interaction was signfiicantly more involved.

[drifting totem]

Moonmoon just dropped the hottest diss track we have seen in ages.

[flat solstice]

homie, with all due respect, and it isn't to you personally

1. interaction should've been day 1 when it comes to players. just simple as that.
2. if you didnt want some players having speculations on when something is happening, it should've simply been announced once speculations happened.
3. we get things are subject to change, but dont promise things when it isn't gonna happen..

[cerulean swift]

For example, when people ask if you guys are working on another game (due to the pitiful progress of chivalry 2 development) the answer will not be "No, we are commited to Chivalry 2"

The answer will be "eh can't speak on that, teehee!"

[drifting totem]

Lets keep it on topic thnx

[cerulean swift]

Yes @waxen comet there generally is no excuse. It has been two years and Torn Banner has never improved on communication. It ain't gonna happen any time soon. And it isn't your fault, that's also ok.

You are in a big company that, for some reason, is extremely corporatized now

Responses are slow, weighted, and held back by people out of touch with the game and its players

[drifting totem]

Yeah because they are busy working on the game

[cerulean swift]

The casuals don't have a voice, the comp dudes don't have a voice, the content creators don't have a voice

[cerulean swift]

working on stuff that none of us really ask for, every update is simply a metric that is determined ot generate X amount of revenue.

[fringe grove]

They are doing a good jobs hackers definitely arnt running The game

[flat solstice]

It takes 5 minutes to sit down and look at player issues and respond. It shouldn't take mods who (again, in all due respect) don't entirely know what's going on with the game

[cerulean swift]

The community has consistently been asking for certain features, and they always take a backseat to content updates that do not prioritize the players' interests

[drifting totem]

They are working on that, connect mentioned that the hacker issue will be addressed in this year.

[cerulean swift]

Because battlepasses and maps have a predictable profit estimate, they will be what is focused

and of course, the level of quality always underdelivers to most people.

Does anyone actually think they have been working on private servers for 2 years straight?

[drifting totem]

At the time of it being asked, they had alot less devs, having gained about 100+ devs in the last 2 months means content will be out more often.

[fringe grove]

They been here since the start of the game

[cerulean swift]

Then why do the old content updates have more content than the newer ones?

It just doesn't make any sense

[drifting totem]

And now its being fixed, better late than never.

[flat solstice]

the devs are more focused on adding content that may or may not increase playerbase, while the already existing playerbase has a multitude of issues that just simply aren't addressed, nevermind fixed.

[waxen comet]

I respect that you disagree with how we're approaching communication; like I mentioned above, you're welcome to make a feedback topic on communication in general as long as it doesn't attack the studio.
Mention with examples how you would prefer to be interacted with, but we need to stay on topic for the private servers thread specifically 🙂 so let's end this discussion here and make a separate topic

[drifting totem]

First 2 years, they had alot more devs.
Devs quit after that and they went looking for new ones, hence why we only got 2 updates in 2023.
They hired alot of new devs again and are ready to get back delivering juicy content for us.

Have some faith

[cerulean swift]

Ok, on topic, will we get Central servers?

Realistically, you don't even know

that's a problem

[flat solstice]

Look, don't get me wrong, Chivalry 2 is literally one of my favorite games of all time, and will continue to be, as long as it gets the things it needs (and that includes private servers) but the devs do not listen to it's existing community, rather catering to advertise new things to players that may or may not even join to begin with.

[cerulean swift]

Will we get to decide our tick rate?

Again, you don't really know

[drifting totem]

Where is an LK when you need them

[fringe grove]

If it's Nitrado then probably not https://server.nitrado.net/en-GB/company/datacenters

[cerulean swift]

exactly. I brought up this topic and @ the devs. They didn't know so obviously they ghosted and didn't respond

[tepid pawn]

on topic here, will you be able to remove archers with private servers? 👀

[fringe grove]

Obviously, until they release an official FAQ that's subject to change or if MoonMoon is able to answer the question

[drifting totem]

It will be very basic private servers.

[flat solstice]

honestly i think archers should be allowed as long as they dont RDM players. sometimes i enjoy playing as an archer to handicap myself

[tepid pawn]

i'm talking about private servers here, you should be able to disable them.

[waxen comet]

We're coordinating with the provider on the regions they have available. If central is not available as a region then I'm sorry to disappoint you

Leem, the questions you're asking are a work in progress as I mentioned. we'll answer when the time is right and when things are more solidified. already goes hand in hand with saying we're not talking about them until we're ready.

I appreciate the passion and excitement people have, so thanks to those who are talking with genuine interest

[cerulean swift]

You want an example of how you should respond, but Torn Banner is a studio with a relatively high amount of resources. You don't need to be told how to communicate, but if you really need an example I can provide.

Just say "At this time, I don't know. I will go find out for you"

Again, I don't mean to be disrespectful but it should be obvious to not just neglect stuff like that when a dozen people spam that concern in the same thread on the same day you announce private servers

[flat solstice]

I mean, fair, and if an owner wants to disable any class they should be able too, i'm just saying that sometimes playing other classes (in the correct way to play them in private servers) shouldn't be a bad thing

[fringe grove]

Will u be able to ban ppl

[cerulean swift]

Like, it's absurd that I should have to provide a step by step guide on how to properly communicate with your playerbase. That is an insane ask

You could've just hired any number of the highly commited mods for the CM position and you KNOW they would be good for it

They could've fixed this communication issue in a month tops

And again, that's ignoring the fact that Torn Banner does not admit fault on these issues. They view their current model of interacting with players as completely sufficient. If they didn't, then I believe we'd see that.

[waxen comet]

everyone has expectations on how they want to be communicated with. I was asking for yours.
I often spend a lot of time outside of work with the aim to help improve the game, and play the game a lot on my own time as well. I do believe that each person has a belief that they know what's best, but it is often not congruent with how things actually work, or in practice would not go the way they expect. so on that note, we can agree to disagree while remaining respectful of your opinion 🙂 but this discussion is over

[tepid pawn]

no way connect is here too

[waxen comet]

we're still off the topic of private servers, so I'm removing the posts. Instead, I'll ask what peoples "dream lists" are for server customization options

[cerulean swift]

I can provide you with a concrete list of heavily desired features that include the basic necessities and the more 'want' stuff

[tepid pawn]

well then, ill make a small list of my preferd options;
the ability to limit weapons, classes
the ability to choose map (duh)
the ability to insert lists of names to quickly whitelist people and make them auto go on the attacking team or defending team (so each team would require a different list)
the ability to choose who becomes VIP

[cerulean swift]

@waxen comet

• basic server travel
• score adjustment settings for LTS, TDM, FFA
• Tick rate adjustments
• More server location options (necessary since you can't host your own on your own hardware)
• First person and Third Person lock (I think this is already coming)
• Subclass limitation adjustment settings (can set archer to 0 for no archer servers)
• Disable/Enable bots
• Remove/Add maps from map pool
• Password Protection

"Wants"

• Balance changes for specific maps (for example, making the catapults have more or less health)
• Message of the day (pop up upon joining that can be customized)

[fringe grove]

Infinite spawning bears on Thayic for very important purposes

[tepid pawn]

^^^^^^

oh ill add that i also wish you could choose who became VIP

[narrow saffron]

• Ban list management
• in-game server notice, or 'admin says:'
• 'reset' current match to warmup and restart (for events staging)
• in-game management of password enablement (private server mode on/off)
• tiered users (users that cannot be votekicked, users that can kick, administrative users that can change server settings)
• an audit log of moderation and administrative commands
• a log out of chat messages (for integrations)
• a log out of kills and point scoring actions (for integrations)
• api/webhook capabilities with in-game chat commands (to send to a discord bot for example, !duel or whatever)
• server info including discord and/or website links, short desc/rules box
• quick set gamemode preconfigs "activate TDM, activate LTS, activate FFA, activate duels"

[stray smelt]

We aren't going to get anything beyond what's already internally available.

[pine totem]

Willing to or allowed to interact with us?

I thought there was a Torn Banner community manager? They had hired someone a few months back. Just aren't ready to announce publicly for some reason

I think that's fine as long as there is a plan in place to introduce them to the community and get rolling again

I feel like communication has been at a standstill since Tenosia dropped and Jen did her last QA / reveal session

[pine totem]

Can I report back to you with a list of what people were hoping to see (understanding that nothing is promised)?

Gimmics list is probably good but I want to ask around and see if there's anything else

[narrow saffron]

I just rattled a bunch of junk off the top of my head

[thorny kite]

Lk is everywhere

[thorny kite]

There are 2 community managers rn

[cloud lotus]

[thorny kite]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-hello-wave-waving-funny-animals-gif-12030084

[fringe grove]

1v1 me

[pine totem]

Hey I was checking out the Nitrado website and I noticed they had this feature. I was wondering if you guys were able to let us know if you're going to be implementing this becuase i know it would be HUGE for the community. As I'm sure you heard there is a big "hacker" problem that TBS has been dealing with and that includes DDOSing of competitive and organized events.

Here is the utility: https://enterprise.nitrado.net/steelshield/ . It would be awesome to see something like that helping protect the integrity and security of chiv 2 players. Are you able to confirm that will be used @winter latch ?

[cloud lotus]

That'd be neat to have

[karmic pecan]

yeah ddos protection seems pretty important would hope to see this feature announced with the servers

[narrow saffron]

I believe it would be something TBS would need to implement in their code so nitrado could make use of it, this would mean a client update as well as server code update.

My assumption is this would not be able to make a release window approaching but there's always the potential for a later patch release?
The ball would be in TBS' hands I bet.

[fringe grove]

I hope they dont add it, otherwise how will I ddos servers when people are being meanies to me :(

[hearty vale]

we need anti ddos and an anticheat, but xD

[narrow saffron]

I was hoping to have an update on private servers sooooon

[fringe grove]

(Real)

[narrow saffron]

[glad wedge]

Lol

[drifting totem]

Bro lock this thread up

[atomic dagger]

Will the Private servers only be available on Nitrado or can we self host them on a root server

[misty apex]

no

[narrow saffron]

only via nitrado

[atomic dagger]

Pointless why to limit it but okay ….

[stray smelt]

Contract, money

[sterile yew]

Rizzylata

[stray smelt]

🥺

[sterile yew]

Rizzy lata…

[tepid pawn]

sluggylata

[kind sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[hearty compass]

https://tenor.com/view/all-alone-batman-sad-rain-swing-gif-17255227

[weary quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-spongebob-coffee-sad-gif-16525719

[sterile yew]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-21631787

[summer current]

1. Control over which maps are looped. 2. Mod commands like change map, delay start timer so people can switch sides, ability to send admin messages in the chat. 3. Kick people who are not supposed to be on. 4. Allow more than 64 people on the server, but others could spectate? 5. And having like a 80 person TO would be awesome.

[narrow saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[summer current]

And if im reading Nitrado right, there are no servers in Central US?

this guy knows because of you 🙂

im waiting like the rest of us

[hearty compass]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[lavish star]

Nitrado, awful company that doesn't even have servers located in central US. Only locations are LA, NY, and Miami. MIAMI of all places, the 44th largest city in the US, and already covered by NY. Not Chicago, the 3rd largest city in America where a large portion of the playerbase connects due to being in a central location. Nope, they get to either go east or west with high ping. Thank God those Florida folks get a server though.

I have no idea how Nitrado became a company worth having a contract with, because they seem to be completely incompetent at a very basic level from my understanding, but I guess they're the only degenerates willing to make a company for private game servers. Brilliant decision to not have a server located in the central US though. Top notch decision-making. I bet their CEO is a genius on par with Elon Musk.

[pine totem]

Are there other reasons you think it's a bad company besides not having central servers?

I agree not having central is bad. It would be better to have ONLY central than east / west xD. I'm just wondering why the animosity towards nitrado

[cerulean swift]

Their hardware is owned not rented which means it's fairly outdated. Other companies rent hardware which allows them to get the latest specifications like processors, ram, etc. as tech develops

They do this for increased profit margins since owning hardware is obviously more profitable than renting

[pine totem]

I've had good experiences renting their hardware

I heard there was drama related to ark as well

But idk much about it. I think people were mad about the exclusivity agreement?

Any sort of exclusivity agreement is generally bad for consumers so that makes sense. More heads in tbe market means competition and competition means better products

[cerulean swift]

Well they aren't dogshit and of course the hardware is more than serviceable but that is just one aspect that makes them worse. In fact, they actually own Apex Hosting. Apex Hosting rents instead of owns which in theory means Nitrado + Apex has the best of both world, with Apex acting as the more premium option with newer hardware.

[pine totem]

Oh interesting

Do you think nitrado will host the official servers and apex hosting will host the consumer rentable servers?

[cerulean swift]

ask the devs

[pine totem]

I had figured they were moving official servers to nitrado with the agreement

[cerulean swift]

dont expect a response though

[pine totem]

Wdym they always respond!

Jk

Maybe in 20 days

[cerulean swift]

I don't see them anywhere

[woeful tide]

Nitrado has a contact with Intel and has always the newest CPUs. Somtiems also some that are not even out on the market

[narrow saffron]

this would be a larger lift since most of their servers are run by microsoft IIRC

matchmaking servers are run on azure workloads under their playfab infrastructure

[cerulean swift]

I have first hand experience that their hardware underperforms compared to even their own sub company Apex's servers

while they may have contacts and update their hardware, it still isn't up to snuff compared to what a company that rents its hardware can achieve

[woeful tide]

Thats not because the Hardware is old its cause its shared on diffrent customers

[cerulean swift]

yeah ofc having a dedicated machine to one customer will always be better but I still think they could afford to improve their hardware especially considering their market share and profits

or they could link over to Apex more so as to cover that base

[fringe grove]

Generally speaking, it's a case of Consumer Desktop (Apex) < Xeons (Nitrado) for game servers

I imagine for Nitrados business model, Xeons make more sense as they can handle a lot of servers at the expense of the baseline per server performance

[fringe grove]

Would be too expensive for the average user

[hearty vale]

[summer current]

u can look at it this way too for comp matches or hosting in miami- if you look at google maps and look at the distances between Miami to Chicago, Miami to Dallas, and Miami to NY, the distance is roughly the same so the pings 'should' be somewhat equal. That is why I would try out a Miami server first. but yeah, it would be nice to have a server close to you.

[fringe grove]

Distance isn't as important unless you're crossing an ocean. It's all about the number of switches/relays between you and the datacenter

[summer current]

you can get a number for your ping, for example, by just clicking on this Hell Let Loose server from Nitrado and there is a dropdown list of the pings for miami, LA, and NY from your location. .https://server.nitrado.net/en-US/offers/hell-let-loose?platform=pc

Im in NY and ping is like 34ms to miami and I found a dude in Dallas saying his was 43ms to miami.

[high widget]

miami excluding West is the problem

Miami isn't the worst if all you have is east and central players, but there is no "central server location" which is fine for canada, east, west, and central

[summer current]

o yeah, west is gett'en boned. miami would be for central and east.

[summer current]

my last dream server feature, i think im up to 6 - ability to rent your server software so we could put it on our home PCs and host a server.

[narrow saffron]

This is wrong. Light still has a speed limit

[fringe grove]

Of course, but a connection at the same distance across the US should have worse ping than across the Atlantic

Probably could've worded that 10x better in the original comment

[high widget]

west and canada

there's a significant number of comp players who are in canada in NA

[hearty vale]

[glad wedge]

It’s not happening

[drifting totem]

Then i suggest closing this thread.

[hearty vale]

[glad wedge]

Cancelled

[weary quartz]

source?

[high widget]

that's more an issue of the undersea cables having so much traffic than the actual distance being lesser. That's why new york to LA is as bad ping-wise as new york to britain sometimes even barely outside of peak hours if not NY to britain being better, for example

the US is ridiculously huge and our infra isn't really up to snuff for modern gaming in a lot of ways even if it's more than good enough for the normal latency-insensitive tasks like sustained video streaming or general web browsing

and even to the extent that it is good enough the distances are simply actually that large

[fringe grove]

Huh, that makes sense actually

Interesting

[high widget]

location is everything not just because of the literal distance, but because of the related infrastructure as well. Chicago has some of the best network infrastructure in the entire US because it's such a central location for data centers even if some of the flyover states would theoretically have superior location to chicago for absolute distance

not that residential benefits from the infrastructure all that much, but it matters massively for ensuring people get good routing for games across the US and canada at the business and data center level

[elfin river]

With private servers on the way, please use this thread to detail what you would like to see them offer; https://discord.com/channels/209841695850889226/1204508851164942366