Private servers when? You guys need to give the community proper tools.

[wide drum]

Agreed, they're holding out on us like usual.

[glacial verge]

They have released a statement it was just a long time ago

They said it’s planned

And as they haven’t said anything else

You can assume that it’s still the case

Rather than assuming that they are evil and wanting to control everything based off of nothing

[dreamy osprey]

People assume the latter when there's radio silence

There needs to be a new statement that it's being worked on or it's been shelved

[tulip marlin]

never gonna happen, that would suggest the devs actually read these threads... or care for that matter.

[waxen comet]

hi, reading this thread

[inland shadow]

witnessed

[tranquil heart]

I implore the devs to imagine a world where they dont outsource their beloved game to a bunch of individuals with zero credentials and almost zero moral compass.

You worked on this game for almost a decade, and your playerbase is begging you for control of it. Why ? They want control of your intellectual propety and they dont care about your vision at all.

It's an industry standard at this point to make games moddable and exploitable but is that really the right play for Chivalry 2? I would argue it is NOT.

You have developed a very unique game that is ahead of the curve in terms of mechanics. Your average gamer wouldnt know the difference between Dwarf Fortress and Call of Duty these days, and their only expectation is that it "Works good" and "Doesnt Lag" but anyone with any sort of tech knowledge knows youve created something great. They think they will run servers better or create a better experience , but they wont ...

I am asking you to explore the possibility of keeping the game as a curated experience. All these players begging for private servers are hopelessly addicted , and will never quit. If given free reign with the content of this game, they will drive this game into the ground as they have countless titles before this one. Please. I ask you to be bold, and keep your intellectual propety close to your chest.

I'm providing a video of my very limited experience on a duel server. This is a common experience, but for some reason this video just felt right. This provides an example of the type of people you would be outsourcing your game too with no stipulations or contractual obligations. Please keep your game close to your chest. Its a great one 😁
@waxen comet
@inland shadow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86y8Ms1LRk

[glacial verge]

Isn't the lesson here that revenge is bad?

I fully agree that community run servers have "varying" levels of competency when it comes to running and administering servers

I have been on the wrong end of those groups many a time due to bruised ego's

But I still don't think that should put a halt to private servers in it's entirety

But TB knows from chivalry 1 some of the terrible things server operators are capable of

[tranquil heart]

I would argue they dont know what they are capable of. Even you, a vetted moderator, cant even see the supreme level of manipulation and gaslighting in this simple video. He knew exactly when to appear innoncent. He knew exactly where to stand. They knew exactly how to make me engage and where to engage. Honestly very creepy behavior, and you want to surrender the image and landscape of the game to people like this? Why? Because other games have always done it?

This isnt even a rare example. You yourself admit this is a pretty common occurance. If the devs were smart and protective of their intellectual property, they would negotiate VERY strictly who could run a server at all.. instead of just opening up the hosting code to the entire world without restriction.

[glacial verge]

I would argue that you don't know what they are capable of if you simply fear their manipulation and gaslighting they can do

They can do a hell of a lot worse

[hearty vale]

Allow us make maps, but not modding weaps like shitty-Mordhau, that would destroy the game, but more important, let us rent servers for our communities and clans and admin it, pls!
And ehem ehem... cross-progression? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE 🥹

This game doesn't need more than this, and some TO maps maybe.
The rest is solving some bug and 10/10 game.

[pine totem]

Elbow Bump Lux is a known troll and disliked among the community. This is the guy who invented the "Stack" discord which the entire purpose was to get a ton of high level players on one team in order to ruin other players experience in the game. They would organize small and big events where they got together and stacked one team in order to completely roll matches, which used to be a huge problem in this game.

This "Stack" discord was also filled with transphobic hate and a lot of other nasty people that constantly shit talked moderators and accused them of pedophilia and other garbage. This ultimately caused the discord to fracture and a lot of people to leave.

So when you read troll posts like this by "Elbow Bump Lux" please know that they're not coming from a good place, just like everything else this guy does.

Private servers will be great for the game and community and help keep people like him out, which is why he doesn't want them.

[glacial verge]

Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t make it a troll

[pine totem]

I've stated my reasons for why I feel he is a troll. It doesn't have to do with his incorrect opinion on this subject.

[dreamy osprey]

@waxen comet @inland shadow Check out this thread as well when you can; there's a lot of valuable feedback & examples of awesome community-created content

#1043790608822718475 message

[glacial verge]

Well I am fully aware of his particular shenanigans and knew exactly what went on within Stack but I do not agree that makes someone a troll in all things

[pine totem]

Some people have particular reasons for not wanting the community to be able to moderate themselves

Bias you might call it

[glacial verge]

His reasons are all valid

I just don't think they outweigh the benefits

There's a reason why many games moved away from private servers

It wasn't a childish desire for power

[pine totem]

Well his argument is that some servers will be run by unhinged people right?

[glacial verge]

It's because there were far too many shite servers

[pine totem]

My response to that would be that most community members don't want to play in servers run by unhinged people

Most of the community will hang out in community run servers that don't have abusive admins

Because servers with abusive admins aren't fun over time

[glacial verge]

If only that were true

Seeding servers overcomes reputation

[pine totem]

There's of course going to be outliers

[glacial verge]

And those outliers can become the most trafficked servers

When there's a whole clan jerking off to the leadership for their own grab at power that servers always got players

Because it's always got clan members who seed the server

So it ends up full every day

Torn banner themselves had to deal with someone who would DDOS every single other server in the region just to get people on his own server which had hacks running on it that screwed with your XP

And this individual is still doing things like that to this day 7 years later

[waxen smelt]

KC is spot on with this

[glacial verge]

I know he started stack and stack was filled with some horrible people

But he left didn't he

He had reasons for leaving

Whole thing fell apart shortly after

[humble cargo]

Been ages but suggestion still so true

[kind sleet]

lmao elbow bump lux is John Doe?

[dreamy osprey]

alright I've changed my mind after seeing this immediately in the modding channel

[pine totem]

No John doe was his second in charge

[tranquil heart]

So this dumb fuck can just insult me all day but my post gets deleted ?

Fuck these mods, fuck this server

[glacial verge]

Your 3 paragraphs got auto deleted by the bot due to a couple NSFW word choices.

Either way you should rise above the petty drama of the past to actually prove KC wrong in his assessment

Rather than diving into the mud with him

[glacial verge]

John Doe was the one organising all the stacking and other horrid things

That’s why Sun God thought Elbow was John

Because it was John all along doing everything

Not Elbow

Elbow spent a lot of time trying to control John at my request

But there was no controlling him

[high widget]

the "control" when someone repeatedly violates important requests as leadership is to remove them. It's tantamount to approval to not remove leadership after repeatedly being a source of problems.
the org was also called stack to begin with. It's kind of obvious what's going on.

if kc had to be repeatedly asked to leash his dog because other tribunal members were causing problems big enough that chiv 2 moderation have to get involved we'd have a bibunal

I don't see any obvious difference with elbow having to do the same for stack other than that john doe didn't get yeeted

[glacial verge]

Well it leans perfectly into what Elbow fears

Bad admins

If his post wasn't deleted it would show more of that

He became what he feared

In his case he was unprepared to start such a group

Which is a way terrible server admins can come about

Dude starts a server and invites all his friends to be admins

Those friends turn out to be shite admins

What do you do there?

Elbow constantly says the official moderators are all terrible but really he likes the way we do things

We don't hold grudges, we don't get personal and we are entirely rules based

A private server admin on the other hand will hold grudges, will get personal and while they may have rules they'll look for reasons to kick or ban someone outside of their own rules

Or come up with terrible rules

All valid concerns

KC's attempts to attack Elbow instead of attacking the concerns shows KC has nothing to say on the matter

[hearty vale]

play in other server, as simply as that
if we could choose official servers, or some private servers and u dont like the mods at the privates, go officials, or look for other private server with good admins, where is the problem if we could choose?
if a private server has bad admins, that server will die itself

[glacial verge]

And what if that isn't an option?

It's naive to assume the server will die

When its a clan of 40

Doesn't matter how bad they are

It'll always be populated

They're running 5 servers, they're always seeding, they're always advertising and they got enough shills to defend them

You do end up on another server but wait, they're run by idiots too

Here we are graced by officials but they aren't the most moderated of servers due to the sheer amount of them

[hearty vale]

so i think we could play at servers like we have right now, but the point is to have where to choose and the option to choose to play in a server moderated and maybe modded by players with other options

[glacial verge]

Oh yes for sure

I don't think the negatives outweight the postives at all

But there are negatives

[hearty vale]

yep, ofc, as all things, this has positives and negatives

[narrow saffron]

This is a fucking joke. The official servers are both unmanaged and unmoderated, run by cliques of goons abusing vote kicks already.
Add on to that imagine if the only official servers you're "graced" by are FFA and LTS in your region now.
Such grace. Much options.

[glacial verge]

And if we had less of them with the same amount of moderators that would improve them would it not?

[narrow saffron]

I think you're blinded by privilege.
Less of what? Imagine if you had to play on a poor ping region because your region doesn't have the game mode you want.

I dont even know what you're defending other than "official servers good because when I'm there it's moderated"

[glacial verge]

Imagine? I don't have to imagine, I'm OCE

By your own admission you have no idea what I'm talking about

[narrow saffron]

This is already the case except with less player choice(agency)

[glacial verge]

Because of matchmaking

Which limits choices

And since most people play matchmaking

Ain't many populated servers and therefore game modes in the server browser either

[narrow saffron]

It isn't either or. We could be given choice. Youre defending the option against that for some twisted reason

[glacial verge]

I'm not defending it

Napalm up there brought up the fact that if there are bad private servers, officials are always an option

Which I agreed with and you took as me saying that officials were the best thing ever

while quoting me criticising officials

What you fail to realise is that those same people votekicking you off the servers currently for brusing their ego's are the same people who are going to be running the private servers

Just because I'm green doesn't mean I'm automatically against the community

If that's where this is coming from

[narrow saffron]

Options are better than no options. That's all. You're acting like only bad admins exist outside of your mod group, and that's just not the case.

[glacial verge]

Do you only think in extremes?

As I don't

[narrow saffron]

The only option you've mentioned has been abusive clans.

[glacial verge]

As a possibility

Inevitability really but not all of them

But I have seen entire regions where all the popular servers were run by utter morons

[tranquil heart]

My post was up for over an hour, so that makes no sense.

But over this idiotic speculation of STACK from a bunch of morons who have no idea what actually happened. Babble away.

[glacial verge]

Bot sometimes goes to sleep then wakes up swinging

But it's definitely the bot

[tranquil heart]

shitty

[glacial verge]

and I can see the word it flagged

Rhymes with corn

[tranquil heart]

who word in a huge post, and now i cant get it back

[tranquil heart]

Wow, so my completely legitmate use of the word gets my whole post flagged.

[glacial verge]

Yes

All hail the bot

[tranquil heart]

Cock cock cock cock

[glacial verge]

I can DM you your message if you want

[tranquil heart]

Thank god the corn word is banned

[tranquil heart]

sure

[glacial verge]

It's funny as on Tripwires server for RS2 Cock is banned

But the P version isn't

yet here it's the other way around

Also we need to be friends apparently

[tranquil heart]

A cornless 🌽 Repost: Thanks to Lemonator.

I'm glad I didn't bother to check back on this, and just dropped my feedback. Ask yourself.. You typed something so full of blatant lies and hate , but think you are a better person than me? You're a goomba my guy, get off your high-horse. You sound like a pre-teen trying to cancel someone on Twitter for the adrenaline rush.

Stack achieved its purpose. To draw awareness to blatant team stacking. It was more a funny meme than an actual stomp group. The only person who ever organized "Big events" was John Doe. Which was basically him playing with all his east coast friends he was gonna be playin with anyway, and ya we did do like 2 events where we got a large amount of players to do it (Oh my god, we're so evil). If you can't wrap your tiny brain around why this tactic is effective to get changes done, then I can't help you. Keep thinking two dimensionally your whole life.

If you attribute "Ramptant transphobia" and "Pedofile accusastions" to an entire discord that had 250+ players at one point, youre honestly just a simple creature. All that stuff was against the rules, and if anything it was a incredibly PG server most of the time. We banned Furries as was our right as a private discord. They often post sexual content and I didn't want a pervert vibe to the server, so I banned them, is that the "transphobia" youre referring to?

If you can't attack the content of my argument and must resort to blatant ad hominem paragraphs out of the reflexive fear that you might actually have opposition to the industry standard of letting shitty modded servers siphon off your main player base, then go kick rocks.

[high widget]

you remove them as admin. My friend was running a TF2 team and I was on it. He was only able to play Scout while under the influence of alcohol and we couldn't find another scout.
I gave him an ultimatum to find another scout and killed the team on the spot when he didn't after something bad almost happened to him due to his alcoholism.
We are still friends, because I communicated properly with him as to why it's happening.

We have people like me, like gimmic, and more who have both the expertise to run a server, the expertise to set up ddos protection if it ends up being necessary, and the intent not to just ban people for no reason. I wouldn't even ban Keeper as long as he's fine with the archer ratio being set to 0 on whatever I'm hosting and you know what I think of him.

The other thing of note is that officials are easy, and so long as both private servers and officials exist in tandem there's no reason to think that the officials won't remain an option. Self-hosting doesn't have to be to the exclusion of officials unless Torn Banner was planning for the game to die anyway. The worst case is that even bad self-hosted servers increase the overall longevity of the game where officials weren't going to exist anyway.

TF2 actually had the inverse problem where the existence of officials killed self-hosted servers and custom modes almost entirely because as long as a casual playerbase exists they trend toward the path of least resistance

easy matchmaking is always the path of least resistance

that's why back when valve quickplay matchmaking existed we also had dogshit tier servers like Nighteam who gamed the system become popular as well, yet at the same time it was much easier to run good servers of many different kinds of fun modifications like fort wars which simply don't get played anymore

[karmic pecan]

yeah this whole point lemon and elbow are desperately trying to make is just reddit contrarianism tbh

"did you consider this good thing you want could also be bad in some cases????" good insight yall

[glacial verge]

How many times do o have to say I’m for private servers

[karmic pecan]

thats why I didnt say you weren't for them

[narrow saffron]

This is the only real useful line. The rest is whining about edge cases

If the positives outweigh the negatives, then it is a net gain and I don't know why you'd argue points against it

[glacial verge]

Awareness, particularly self awareness

I want people who are going to run servers to tell me I’m wrong

To show me I’m wrong

I make mods for games and that means working with server operators to run them

And god damn I didn’t have enough hands to facepalm all the time working with them

[uneven nexus]

No offense, but has this thread had any concrete acknowledgement after a year of activity or is it just the pin that's "we see this and appreciate the feedback"?

It seems like by now there could have been a clear resolution of if this is planned to be implemented or not

[hearty vale]

I at least, for now I don't know if they have officially said anything, but in this thread at least we make known our request, for a year as you say, and the time it takes, that they implement private servers, and we will continue doing it since we think it is something essential for the game and for the clans and communities that play it almost daily

[high widget]

it's necessary so that we can actually run events instead of being constrained by obviously subpar systems administration and complaints stemming from not improving that situation

[uneven nexus]

Yeah I mean I get all the points for it. If the issue isn't a development bandwidth issue then having private servers (even with restrictions like they aren't publicly broadcasted in the chiv client) seems like a no brainer.

I've had plenty of days where I've been bent over on public server moderation if that's the issue. Id much rather put my fate in the hand of sweaties than try and get a mob of players to vote correctly

[glacial verge]

The devs responded to this thread a few days ago

[uneven nexus]

Right and as mentioned that was a "we see this" message unless I'm missing something

[glacial verge]

Which means that nothings changed

Which is a good thing

Technically

[uneven nexus]

Respectfully if nothing has changed that could just mean this thread continues for another year at the exact same pace. How many tickets die on the vine with the last comment being "still looking into this", y'know?

But I know it doesn't really matter beyond voicing interest in the feature, so here's another random saying this would be great

[stark niche]

Its just a matter of time till they lose the player base then since they dont want to listen to the community.

[pine totem]

None of his individual points were worth addressing, his entire post was that some random dude gaslit him in a server and got him kicked.

He then stated that Torn Banner should "negotiate very strictly who could run a server at all". This was the conclusion of his post, which is what I was addressing. He is not the type of community member who has the right to make this sort of judgement call. He has a history of negative behavior and leading negative communities. HE is the type of person who should not be allowed to run a server.

It seemed audacious for him to ping multiple devs about it, prompting my response.

So yes I had plenty to say on the matter which he brought up in a thread that I have participated in since its inception.

I care very much about this community and lack of private servers and "freedom of play" has been suffocating it for a little over two years now.

I also feel terrible that the only way I participate in organized events is by wasting a couple hours of a moderators time, several of which I am friends with.

[pine totem]

I accused you of being toxic and you responded by calling me "two dimensional; a simple creature; a pre-teen trying to cancel someone on twitter" and a "dumb fuck" as well as a whole other post that got deleted for being too nsfw

Good job 👍

Not toxic confirmed

[stark niche]

This is why I say the mods are playing favoritism and are quite biased in this discord, as if other people would of post this kind of stuff or ping devs then they would get thrown in timeout or kicked from the discord. But if your friends with the mods or content creator, you get immunity of such actions which has shown throughout many posts. Thats why I dont bother anymore.

[pine totem]

His ping wasn't malicious or spam so it's fine. Mods are biased in any chat its just how it goes. If you're seen in a good light you get treated as such. The mods for the most part just want to make this a better place so I respect that, even lemonator when he does his contrarion bit

Idk about the content creator thing. I don't think many content creators in chiv 2 are in a great relationship with the Dev team xD

It is a shame that the community feels there is such a big bias tho

[stark niche]

Mostly cause there has been in many threads

They will punish one person doing something but wont do it to others

[pine totem]

Probably depends on context

[stark niche]

They were all the same and they only punish one person. Again its in many threads and its not like its hidden either, everyone can see it or has seen it.

[narrow saffron]

It's always a best effort and it isn't like they're getting paid. They probably don't have much additional insight over the regular peasant anyway

[glacial verge]

That’s a cop out

If they weren’t worth addressing then you didn’t need to speak

Everyone has the right to express their opinion

And yeah I wouldn’t say that content creators are biased towards in anyway

Just ask any of them

They’d say they’re biased against probably lol

[glacial verge]

And yeah gimmic is correct here

We just get the to swing about

They don’t tell us all their secrets

[spare nexus]

Private servers when ?

The bests cmw servers were ALWAYS privates servers.

[narrow saffron]

I hold out hope rentals might actually be coming with this patch or shortly nearby, but they'll be rentals 😦

I suspect they won't actually release private servers

but it would be nice to be wrong

[pine totem]

It would be nice if they WERE working on private servers to atleast have some knowledge of that so that we had something to look forward to

[narrow saffron]

That's just a general statement. They seem to be more about "surprise, this feature is working!" rather than "hey community, this thing is coming"

but we see where promising things to come bites them in the ass more than it doesn't

[spare nexus]

It's TornBanner men, don't wait for anything, they are playing in a sandbox since CMW

[stark niche]

They always say that but no details on what or even if it is what the community wants or not.

[tranquil heart]

I love how "No one likes me" but im so likeable that I apparently skirt the rules 😂 #DoubleThink

[glacial verge]

Grudges never do make sense

[tranquil heart]

I've been playing games a long time. People like KC are a dime a dozen . KC did in fact address none of my points. Just assumes that he has already won the argument and labels me as "Toxic" while engaging in insanely toxic behavior while doing so. He brings up a bunch of false information about STACK, gets accused with skirting the issues he brought up on STACK and then all the sudden we are talking about my original post like he never said a thing. A true snake if I ever saw one 🐍🤓

[glacial verge]

I think Sun God said it best

If you play the game for the game you won’t be pissing off any server admins

Even the bad ones

[tranquil heart]

Cliques exist. There is evidence of that in this thread alone. You're basically just kissing the ass of someone new at the end of the day if you have a popular server that is siphoning off players. A server that has no obligation to moderate itself in the way that the offical Chiv 2 staff does. So many players in this very thread say the "Game is dead" unless we "Save the game" with our private servers... yet they are all still here, all still playing the game. Is the game dead? Is the game low population? What are they talking about?

The steam numbers suggest that fractioning the playerbase could very likely be a death sentence, a death sentence that the people who "Want" things dont really understand. Nothing kills a game quicker than hitting JOIN GAME and finding floundering player numbers. It will actually kill a game so fast. Much faster than "oMg whErE prIvatE server"

These people want control. They say they care about the games community, but they only care about their immediate friend-group. I honestly think it is a very good experiment to keep these design elements close to chest and let the curated experience continue. Leave people wanting, dont let people analyze your game to death with extreme access to source code and testing environments that private servers could produce.

[fluid patio]

Gonna ignore whatever you guys are arguing about and lay out some thoughts:

• Chiv does not have a large player population
• The people who want private servers are overwhelmingly veteran players
• The people who want private servers are a vocal minority

Chiv isn't at the point in its life where the money veteran players spend on new content is comparable to the money to be made from continuing to market to new players (with how TB runs mtx live ops there's just no way). Chiv doesn't pull huge numbers on Twitch because it isn't accessible to the average viewer. Veteran player attrition is also generally lower for niche hardcore genres like melee slashers, so you guys are probably going to stick around regardless of what TB does or doesn't do

Just imagine that you're TB. You have a captive veteran audience that isn't relatively profitable for you. Providing community tools for creating more/better Twitch content isn't going to yield noticeable results. Opening up private servers would pull veteran players out of the already small general matchmaking pool. Exposing your backend would require extensive testing to make sure no catastrophic exploits are discovered. What do you actually stand to gain from doing this right now?

e: To be clear, I do think there are future conditions under which it would make sense to develop a private server feature. But I doubt Chiv is anywhere near that now

[high widget]

chiv has already achieved so much saturation that they've had to put it on PS+, game pass, and Humble Choice and they still can't convert new players. A reason to have private servers is to allow the community to solve fundamental sources of inconsistency present even to new players such as upping the tickrate to make swingthoughs less common, for example.

I don't think torn banner is in a good place trying to cater to new players either

the game is just fundamentally in a bad place and it's getting worse. The point of private servers is to make a corner where we can sidestep at least some of that

[tranquil heart]

I queue on US west, at virtually any time of the day and find multiple full servers. Yes. I can leave and choose between multiple 64 person servers. This could very well be a priviledge of the west coast, but to say that players arn't being "converted" is a completely loaded statement. What does that even mean? Are they only "converted" after level 200? The game has a constant influx of players BECAUSE of game pass, PS+, and Humble choice. You act as if these platforms are a detriment just because not everyone grinds to an insane level or competes in tournaments. The simple baseline that simply cannot be contested is that full servers are always availiable. That is the entire crux of what makes the game playable. The minute consistent queues go away, the game is actually dead.

You can sit here and say this, as so many other people have since release, but there is virtually no evidence to support it. Anecdotal evidence that you feel dissatisfied, or that one of your friends doesnt play anymore, is not substantial.

Every player who wants private servers is just saying "Game is bad" or "Game is dying"... Isn't that a little convienient ? Who are you trying to sell on this ? Is it the devs?

I've found full servers since release. What is dying exactly? The small insular communities that want control of the game are the only ones who are feeling bored and unsatisfied. There are other things to do in the world besides devoting your entire life to one game. Not every game is supposed to be a 10,000 hour experience. You can do other things with your life.

[high widget]

what is dying? There was a point where the game wasn't regularly down to 10v10s in central at 2-3 AM, and that quickly and consistently disappears after each "game pass" style player begging infusion.
There's a reason they're in constant need of more players while the lobby counts go down enough that sniping isn't just easy, but I do it regularly by accident because there are far fewer lobbies than there used to be.
We're reaching the point where even at peak hours we can intentionally snipe friends with little to no effort again just like we were at before game pass, and that was a population where Torn Banner decided they needed an infusion last time.

"not every game is supposed to be a 10 thousand hour experience" is a dumbfuck take when you're playing a genre where the entire draw is skill-based melee combat which is inherently a step above the complexity of the average FGC game... when the netcode works enough that you can actually play out the mechanics.

NA is the largest region by far as well. My guess is it's relatively worse in Europe and in Asia and OCE just laugh

if we're seeing signs that the game will begin to hurt in NA it's already hurting in other places, essentially

there should be a healthy "middle range" of semi-casual players who just kinda hop on and hop off and end up around levels 50-200ish over several months which keeps the games moving 24/7 in at least every major NA region and we're already below that threshold

[tranquil heart]

how do you know there isnt? I see plenty of level 200's

What is the cutoff point between "healthy" and "dying" for the amount of level 200s ?

The games average level is much higher, which is why balance is such a large issue. Thats enough reason to believe that player retention is happening.

[high widget]

torn banner would have to provide more stats. I just know that from a factual standpoint I cannot play the game consistently starting as early as about midnight CST because the lobbies start to die out and often stay "dead"(15v15 TO and below) until around 6-8AM CST

even over multiple requeues

[tranquil heart]

I would argue that not having players online at 3am is a rather healthy community in its own right.

[high widget]

the smallest "working" size is 15v15-20v20, so when we're heading toward 10v10 TO territory it's just kinda boring

[high widget]

people work in a manner where their only available gaming time would be nights. It's not just degenerate gamers.

[tranquil heart]

Many games suffer from the early morning dip in numbers, its not just Chiv 2

And not seeing how private servers would solve this at all

[high widget]

private servers would solve the problem because there's enough clan gamers playing at degenerate hours that we'd have seeded at least one 64p running 24/7 in at least central and east

as long as we end up with a trustworthy pub of choice

[tranquil heart]

Dont you essentially have a private server at 3am if no one else is playing? Why not just all play together then?

What would be different

[high widget]

tickrate, archer limits, general server quality, map rotation

and the ease of coordination

[tranquil heart]

So its all about control

[high widget]

every time we pile into a 64p in the server browser we have players who'd rather neck themselves IRL than keep playing because the servers are essentially intolerable

that many players with decent movement causes massive positional desyncs with knock-on effects with absolute consistency

[tranquil heart]

What is the tickrate of servers now

[high widget]

30 unstable

that's why it's so easy to see stuff which would take around 100-200ms be massively fucked up

[tranquil heart]

So it really comes down to the cost-benefit analysis of Torn banner outsourcing its culture, reputation, and moderation policies to rando's on the internet to save a few bucks on servers every month.

[high widget]

or they simply keep matchmaking up and let us handle our own servers separately and maintain a "de facto" experience

if theirs is massively inferior that's just a systems administration skill issue

[tranquil heart]

You think they cant run higher tick rate servers? they just dont want to pay for them

[high widget]

there's more to it than that given they have had such massive variances in quality even on their 30 tick servers

[tranquil heart]

Like what

If you know the issue, why not tell them

[high widget]

specifically in regard to tournament servers they've implied it's actually difficult for them to handle basic deploy/undeployment of instances which I'd expect applies at least partially to matchmaking servers as well. In the case of South Central as well, for example, it was also mentioned that they have severe issue managing different regions even though there should be standardized deployment sets with different regions simply being a variable rather than a different set of server configurations. It seems like they simply lack basic automation and configuration management.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've also fucked up rightsizing and don't properly understand the full performance characteristics of their own server software

idk how fucked they are with their hardware selection/host selection, but generally you'd want to work down to the "smallest unit" which runs an instance of the server at the performance target and as long as they aren't seeing massive variations in IPC on the CPUs(most server CPUs run at similar cycle counts) or they've optimized for the worst IPC they have available it's much easier to manage sizing.
As to gamemode configurations, it'd make more sense to have a per-gamemode configuration rather than a per-region configuration and then to have region be a variable when deploying gamemode instances

[tranquil heart]

You wouldn't be surprised if a smaller company with green developers made a mistake when running a performance intensive game on a global scale?

[high widget]

and then didn't correct the failings even moderately in a way which seems to positively impact the user experience over multiple years of the game being out

[tranquil heart]

It's easy to speculate what should be done when we only have instincts to go off of, but they have revealed almost nothing into the actual inner-workings of the game

[high widget]

I'd have expected fuckups early in the lifecycle like they had with fight knight, but this is at the point where if they don't understand what is going on and can't manage it the software is either irreconcilably fucked, they are an irreconcilably fucked org, or both

[tranquil heart]

it hit 2 years old 2 months ago

the game is 2 years and 2 months old

[high widget]

that's pretty old for a game to not have its most basic functionality figured out

and ignores pre-release dev time

they had enough people to slam servers in alpha

[tranquil heart]

Why don't triple A devs make a melee slasher, if its so easy

thats my question

only 10,000+ FPS games on the market

[high widget]

low hanging fruit is genuinely easier. The entire AAA dev setup is optimized for churning out glorified ubisoft games and first person shooters as well as a few other money printer franchises. Any form of paradigm shift is risky when they literally print money by releasing the next cod, madden, etc.

most "development"/"evolution" is in targeting mobile

it's just a blindspot genre like RTS

melee slashers are one of the obviously larger blindspot genres though

[tranquil heart]

So isnt it somewhat admirable to do something difficult like develop a genre that hasnt been optimized to death by hundreds of previous developers , to cater to a specific audience

aka, you

[high widget]

that's not the discussion, but also yes to some degree. To the other degree, standards. Standards affect casual play too, particularly when the networking/server quality state has deteriorated to the extent it has where you're not going to go a match without a swingthrough unless you have a near optimal local client setup, and sometimes even then

I have friends who get swingthroughs with nightmarish regularity that I don't because I've optimized my local machine and network conditions to a degree where it has significant impact on my game's "relation" to the server, and even that doesn't spare me more than just some hitreg grief

[tranquil heart]

Networking and server quality are directly tied to performance of course. If you need to run 120 tickrate servers on a world wide scale just to make your game functional, it probably sucks. Its somewhat impressive it runs on 30 tickrate at all... thats what businesses are striving to do, cut costs and make money.

That seems to be the goal. You must be well aware why certain people on this earth make millions of dollars a year. Because they can optimize performance when other people cant.

[high widget]

even 40 or 45 tick would be significant, immediate, and noticeable upside with far less demand than a full doubling to 60 tick

it would be nice to be able to play with stress-testing using 32 playerbots per team(should be more computationally intensive than normal players due to the AI) and the server software to see if I can simulate worst case performance by maximizing player densities in a given area and such or killing all of them and seeing how the spawn system handles it and actually understanding what they'd have to pay to run the game better though.

[tranquil heart]

I'm sure you'd love to do lots of scandalous shit with private servers 😂 one of my big arguments against them.

Your game already looks like Runescape. Can't imagine what kind of shenanigans you'd do with your own server.

I think mystery on the mechanics is healthy for the game

[high widget]

that's one of the most clueless things ever posted in this discord

[tranquil heart]

You'd have all these veteran players going into these training servers that let you play with the mechanics at your will and they will get much better

it always happens

fuck that

[high widget]

there isn't any mystery. The game just literally doesn't work. I get we have incomplete data on exact frame data and such, but that's largely clientside stuff and the data gathering would only be somewhat better on a self-hosted server.
The best we could do is run the game at a higher tickrate and play the game in an environment where the mechanics work well enough that we get consistent feedback from consistent inputs

[tranquil heart]

I honestly hope they run the servers at a higher tick rate.

Its very needed

[high widget]

chiv 2 is literally a fighting game. Every mechanic is already enumerated and documented with basically everything only partially understood(the full stats on sprint speed, weapon weights, how weight affects acceleration and peak speed), etc. being locked behind clientside and not server side datamining anyway, although there's some suspicion that some mechanics have a server-side handshake included which isn't necessarily in a good way like lockout seeming to be significantly impacted by server performance and causing disproportionate harm to slow weapon users

[junior imp]

great suggestion 😊 im sure tb will implement soon

[narrow saffron]

of all the stupid hot takes, this one stinks the most. lol.

I'm just sad because a game that I've loved is mismanaged so badly in comparison to so many other games of similar size and development. I haven't played in weeks because my region doesn't support my preferred game modes anymore, and I can't be assed to do matchmaking. Other nearby regions(with all 2-3 servers) are infested with cliques who abuse votekick or otherwise act a fool.

I think the well is drying up on new players, and unless it goes F2P after gamepass ends(this october?) we'll see already dwindled populations fall well below critical mass. Private servers are not a place to segregate veterans away from new players, they're just an option which could give a more stable niche for those players to foster community and bring fresh concepts to a stale game.

[hybrid helm]

I would love to exploit maps with other people in a private server so that we don't have randoms looking at us and snitching. ( I'm not doing any harm with exploits when I'm unarmed 😐 ) it's fun to exploit if you're NOT harming anyone

[pine totem]

My thoughts on a few of these points:

Chiv does not have a large player population - this is not true for me, but I live in the most populated region. I'm completely unable to find my friends in NA east lobbies in 64s there are too many active lobbies open. Data miners have estimated between 80-100k unique (not concurrent) players a day worldwide. I don't know how accurate that is.

The people who want private servers are overwhelmingly veteran players - probably true. Player retention relies partially on freedom of play. Either veterans are asking for private servers or they already quit because there aren't any. Not having them hurts player retention which is a big reason people don't stick around.

"Vocal minority" - this has been one of the most requested and upkept threads in the entire game feedback channel. People aren't really asking for anything else. I know atleast a few hundred people that want private servers just myself. Significantly more than people who don't want them.

• Backend was already exposed, players already developed hacking tools based on that which were patched or are now known issues. We're past that stage as of like 6 months ago.

The game could be more accessable but the training modes and tutorial are simple and don't help learn beyond basic mechanics. The only way to learn in depth is playing.

Opening up private servers would pull vet players out of general matchmaking - most of us already don't play general matchmaking because it's full of noobs and the servers are bad (go watch ziggy bitch for 3 hours about bad servers and understand how it feels for all good/vet players.) There are some players who can genuinely have fun stomping on noobs all the time but most vets likely want a real challenge.

The ultimate thing they stand to gain is to stem the flow of players who quit this game or never played this game because it DOESNT have private servers. I've talked to dozens of mordhau players who think this game is a joke because it doesn't and refuse to play it. I know many that quit because it doesnt.

[stark niche]

Private servers is not Vocal Minority. This thread is the most voted for and watched thread out of them all. Its not just Vet players that ask for this either, new players even look around for private servers as well. I do agree it isnt the cause of people leaving, but they will retain more players if private servers come out. This is something they can easily provide and even make money doing it.

[fluid patio]

This thread is the most upvoted on this Discord. The average Chiv player isn't in this Discord; I doubt most even know it exists. Unless you've somehow polled the entire community you're getting a biased opinion from a self-selected group of people

Also, I already explained why veteran player retention probably isn't their primary business concern right now. The returns just aren't there for the effort it would take. Honestly, I don't expect we'll get private servers until they stop producing new content (if at all)

[narrow saffron]

Yeah, you're not wrong in that veterans are not a substantial income source for them. The campaign passes are clearly the hidden 'subscription' they want to monitize. This also falls in line with a potential F2P release, focused on seasonal and regular micro content releases.
That said, if they go down the expected route of game server providers(sandboxed rentals), then they would monitize the veterans in the form of monthly server rentals. So I wouldn't consider it outlandish that it's still on their roadmap. Rumors have circulated that they have already been in contract with GSPs..

[stark niche]

If you havent been on reddit or even play the game then i would understand why you think this is only a Vocal Minority. Its so easy to go into matches and just ask if they want private servers. They will say yes or even say they are waiting on it as they already know this discussion exists.

[pine totem]

Where is the average chiv player if not in the Discord with 76,870 chiv players in it?

The second largest chivalry discord is Tournament Grounds with 2500 people and every single one of them wants private servers

There is no possibility to poll the entire community without being torn banner, and Torn Banner has chosen this platform as their outlet for community outreach

So therefor we count the number of silly yellow thumbs up each post gets and say "this must be what the people want"

[karmic pecan]

I think this thread was made like the day of using discord form features

[narrow saffron]

Does the age make it more or less valid

[karmic pecan]

More imo but I only reflected on the thread age because you mentioned monetizing vet players

[glacial verge]

People have been asking before that

TB was even talking about it before then

It’s a bit ridiculous that it’s been 2 years

[hearty vale]

[dense sparrow]

true

[hybrid helm]

Facts

[hearty vale]

chicken

[elfin vigil]

bump because this has to happen

[narrow saffron]

I think it will, would be amazing to see actual server binaries released but it'll probably be locked behind game rental companies for profit.

[stark niche]

BUMP

[hearty vale]

yup

[keen zinc]

[woeful tide]

Duel servers are unplayable with all this FFA behavior and bad votekick system.

[narrow saffron]

it can be rough.

[pine totem]

🥺

[hybrid helm]

Last night was the first time ever that I've went to a NA Central duel server and it was peaceful.

Despite NA Central always being an rdm fest

[narrow saffron]

NA central isn't bad. NA South Central was the real cesspool 😦

but NA central gets brigaded frequently.. I guess I've gotten on the 'good' side of most of the troll groups though and don't get troll kicked much anymore

but there's literally the same characters nightly who are just known bad

if enough 'good' people are on, they get votekicked out immediately.

[high widget]

why would torn banner ever let moderators appropriately handle repeat offending griefers that would make sense

alting is easy yet not entirely trivial so if everyone's repeat-offending rdm accounts just got banwaved one day we'd probably just have a better chiv 2

[narrow saffron]

I just want more ip-based bans

make them play through an ever reducing list of vpns etc

and catch the main account of smurfs

[high widget]

banning vpn ips sucks because there are people who use them just to avoid ip grabbers or because the vpn has somewhat better routing than their ISP natively provides(I'm both)

less ineffective to(if possible) ban their game key and/or hwid, as hwid spoofing is less trivial than changing IPs even if both are fairly trivial

[hybrid helm]

Was but now it's gone

[static crypt]

[plush onyx]

As it is right now most eu duel servers are unplayable, because if hackers and ffa. People who have played since the start are quitting right and left. And for us in EU it feels like devs are not fixing it. Sure the hackers get banned but it takes too long and they just make new accounts and keep doing it. Devs probably are not even reading these threads as it feels at this point. But there has to be more focus on the duel community imo, feels like 80% of all focus w patches and updates are on TO.

[west kraken]

community hosted servers need to be a primary focus

[west kraken]

please support my thread to fight against htte ffa

[west kraken]

please support my thread it has a solution to the ffa

[hearty vale]

yep

[drifting totem]

Time to close this thread

Enough is enough

[hearty vale]

🇳 🇴 🇵 🇪

[drifting totem]

That was an order.

I was here in this server before you so my command is supreme over yours.

[hearty vale]

ofc mom, close the door when leaving ma room

[scarlet tartan]

I'd do anything for priv servers no cap on a stack make it happen

[hearty vale]

pls

[pine totem]

Anything

[stark niche]

Keep this thread alive!!!

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-yelling-the-office-dwight-rainn-wilson-gif-17595466

[tranquil heart]

If you want to be like the hundreds of other games on the market that has literally dozens of players on private servers, and no one else, make private servers a reality!

[glacial verge]

What?

[nova bridge]

Had to read sentence

[drifting totem]

What did he say?

[jovial steppe]

bruh

[old bronze]

He's saying "if you want to be a dead game, make private servers a reality"

the sentence is structured really poorly though

[drifting totem]

Can I ask you something personal

[old bronze]

no

[stark niche]

Keep thread alive

[hearty vale]

thread alive Keep

[hybrid helm]

alive Keep thread

[stark niche]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-garrick-versio-go-survive-live-survive-live-gif-25715189

[stark niche]

BUMP!!!!

[pine totem]

Let me kill my friends in a private setting please

It's all I ask

[scarlet tartan]

@sterile yew plz respond

@sterile yew remember the good ol days

@sterile yew remember when call3n was here

[karmic pecan]

@sterile yew

[jovial steppe]

@sterile yew plz

[stark niche]

@sterile yew

[hearty vale]

@sterile yew

[scarlet tartan]

@sterile yew good morning

[sterile yew]

hai

[kind sleet]

@sterile yew u suck

where pserver

[sterile yew]

im trying

[scarlet tartan]

@sterile yew try harder we need you

[kind sleet]

@sterile yew where were u when the fire nation attacked?

[pine totem]

Shart

[sterile yew]

Nowhere

[scarlet tartan]

@sterile yew are the pools closed

[kind sleet]

@sterile yew I can't swim

[tranquil heart]

Gamers can barely run their own lives. Dont let them run servers.

[sterile yew]

pools closed

[stark niche]

BUMP!!!!

[wide drum]

Give us the private.

[olive raft]

Private servers would reduce cost for Torn Banner, they would not need to waste money hosting their own

[drifting totem]

Yes and no

[jovial steppe]

kinda tho

[kind sleet]

https://www.g-portal.com/business/21-reasons-private-game-servers-should-be-part-of-your-game-in-2021/#:~:text=That's right%2C game studios do,rented by individuals or groups.

I didn’t read this but I preemptively agree

[hearty vale]

yers

[stark niche]

https://tenor.com/view/vader-darth-vader-lets-go-good-job-poggers-gif-18651881

[west kraken]

seems they are set at making the game as unfriendly to long term players as possible

[olive raft]

Reason 22. Ip ban archers

[jovial steppe]

funi

[olive raft]

Zio ur a furry now? What chiv does to a mf

[jovial steppe]

thats my german sheperd with a peasant cap : )

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750616577300365344/985123228550823986/ezgif-2-8222a3a0fc.gif

he can do leap attacks liek a vanuard

[olive raft]

Good boy

Does he bite?

[jovial steppe]

no hes a big potato

[old bronze]

artistic rendition of dog

[hearty vale]

so unfriendly that the people like me, who want to play with friends and who love the game with friends, almost never play it anymore, when i like this game like to play it everyday, but TB is so unfriendly

[pine totem]

"Furry"

[pine totem]

Imagine having your gsd as your profile pic...

[jovial steppe]

❤️

[olive raft]

He is on a slippery slope

[hybrid helm]

Big need

[bold sky]

As an ex chivalry 1 player only thing stopping me from playing chivalry 2 is the lack of servers.

[hybrid helm]

We need private servers cuz last night I got target by a person with 3 alt accounts and leaving immediately after he specifically rdm'd me 4 times

[stark niche]

BUMP

[drifting totem]

Ngl

Do we REALLY need private servers?

I think we're fine

[jovial steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-kronk-yzma-right-wink-gif-22358009

[kind sleet]

Give back

I need it

Pain

[static crypt]

giv.....givv :3

[jolly stream]

https://tenor.com/view/tissue-pet-hamster-crying-hamster-wiping-tears-with-hamster-crying-gif-25381682

[shrewd vale]

Pweees private servers :3

[high widget]

the end of this mfl has proven we aren't fine :(

if only we could pay for our own ddos-protected servers

we could even run mfl weekly

[narrow saffron]

Or unlisted servers

[static crypt]

LMAO

WHAT

[zenith cosmos]

This was right after mfl server disconnected like crazy

[narrow saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/whoa-deja-vu-matrix-glitch-black-cat-glitch-in-the-matrix-keeanu-reeves-gif-14603491

[jovial steppe]

Im using it mine no worky

[stark niche]

BUMP

[stark niche]

BUMP

[hybrid helm]

I'm tired of getting rdm'd so much like can I have a week of no getting rdm'd

That and the fact that it gets WORSE after try to votekick the rdmer and it doesn't go through. Yeah, I'm sorry that I don't have game chat to describe on why I was votekicking the rdmer while the rdmer is on game chat lying his butt off by telling them to press F5.

[drowsy prawn]

Please put some people on private server implementation! I will take that over a new map and battlepass any day

[high widget]

I'm tired of them overprovisioning their servers miserably and running the game at 30 tick and not having an optional no archer environment, all things we could fix ourselves

if you've been on immediately after total matchmaking downtime the servers feel great for a short period before everything spins back up so it's clear they're running too many instances per host

60+ tick is a separate issue as it depends on the scaling of the game and how many cores the server software has its bottlenecked thread on, as it can be as much of a matter of core quality as core availability even if you aren't overprovisioned

also wonder how well the NICs on the hosts they have are even handling 64 players updating 30 times per second on 5+ different servers(instances)

[pseudo night]

Archer lives matter

[narrow saffron]

I am streaming a 'private'(community) server right now

[glacial verge]

see

you don't need the devs to do it

[narrow saffron]

[thorny kite]

🤨

[stark niche]

BUMP

[static crypt]

https://tenor.com/bWAjq.gif

[stark niche]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-22616031

[stark niche]

lol calls yall nerds after

[narrow saffron]

He ain't wrong

[jolly stream]

Yeah it pissed me off a little haha

[hybrid helm]

If that was a console player then he would just play the game without knowing what's going on and won't be able to see game chat.

[jolly stream]

Yeah, but the point still stands if we wanted to rent a server to do team practice we wouldn’t have to deal with them in the first place

[hybrid helm]

I agree that the fact that we all hate dealing with having to tell them that they gotta leave the server and such. We really need private servers.

[jolly stream]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-gif-4508050

[celest valley]

REBOOT THE HARDWARE

+1 to private servers

@tranquil heart don’t you agree

[stark niche]

BUMP

[static crypt]

i keep having to remind people in clan battles that kicking randoms is bannable

(even though we can't get mod support)

im not sure why but mod support has been lacking recently, not saying it's a negative thing just an observation

[hybrid helm]

Yeah, it's kinda stressful to have clan battles and yet we can't get mod support cuz we didn't schedule one while randoms keep popping into lts servers and such in standalone.

[glacial verge]

There’s been more and more events with less and less notice beforehand

Although it’s been relatively quiet recently

[glacial verge]

Although I dunno why you wouldn’t even attempt to schedule one

[hybrid helm]

Who are the server mods anyway?

[static crypt]

at least from Equilibrium and BE standpoint a lot of our events DO request mod support but they don't reply.

That's what I've been told at least

[kind sleet]

mods just love me the most

[stark niche]

Facts

[glacial verge]

BE has a tendency to give less than 24h notice beforehand so we can’t always guarantee someone can be available on that time

Especially if there’s other events scheduled on the same day

Those with the “Competitive Captain” role are event mods however you’re supposed to use Chivmail @hybrid helm

Plus while someone like me has the role I’m OCE so I can almost never do events outside that due to times

Unless any of you want to do a 3am event or something lol

Private servers will make all this a hell of a lot easier for everyone

And we could still offer our services to those who want to do events but can’t get their own server still

[kind sleet]

u offering?

[stark niche]

People would actually do that lol

[jovial steppe]

unemployed mfs lmao

at 3 am, playing chiv

[static crypt]

who works at 3 am

[jovial steppe]

you see the joke was, uneployed mafaks are awake at 3 am playing chiv because they dont work the next day

and teh ycan shleep

snooze it off

[static crypt]

[stark niche]

BUMP

[hybrid helm]

BUMP

[jovial steppe]

BUMP

[random wyvern]

BUMP

[stark niche]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-echo-live-to-fight-another-day-the-bad-batch-gif-22303931

[opal jackal]

BUMP

[olive raft]

Bump

Never stop the demand until its fulfilled

[tribal moat]

L dev team. the game will die soon with no updates & lack of content with constant server issues

[olive raft]

If melee slasher was a popular genre the competition would have eaten them alive

[tribal moat]

All they have to do is open game files for the mod community & we can make it what we want

[olive raft]

Chivalry 2 unchained discord is trying to mod the game with the limited resources they have

[stark niche]

BUMP

[drifting totem]

I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him!

[bold sky]

As a corporate lawyer from Albuquerque, New Mexico, Howard Hamlin is the owner and CEO of the large Albuquerque-based law firm, Hamlin, Hamlin & McGill.

[stark niche]

BUMP

[hearty vale]

Update ?

[olive raft]

Soon

[stark niche]

BUMP

[iron tinsel]

I'm sure it will happen any day now, it's not like it's been sitting on the official roadmap since checks notes **2021 **...

[drifting totem]

What's your opinion on this

[olive raft]

Nice

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-gif-4508050

[jovial steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-hamster-stare-watching-you-cute-gif-17721600

[inland shadow]

If this is devolving into bumps that are off-topic, this thread may likely get closed.

[pine totem]

Feel free to close the thread once private servers have been added

[inland shadow]

Then stay on topic 🙂

[bold sky]

I will have my revenge

[sharp citrus]

Its about time private servers get added, maybe a good thing to go with the update thats been delayed. Also where have the 400 likes gone?

[bold sky]

They remove my ability to pst pics or gifs 🤐

Im guessing cause my awesome flaming chicken god ai art

[hearty vale]

dont talk about chickens or maybe they remove them

[bold sky]

Lol he cant be stopped

[inland shadow]

I still see them if you scroll all the way up, so must be a Discord quirk

[bold sky]

Fry squinty eye gif

[hearty vale]

maybe, i see this

im too lazy to move to the top message xd

[inland shadow]

Here, I'll pin the post so you won't have to scroll up

[hearty vale]

now i see the 424 upvotes too

[sharp citrus]

I dont see them still, weird app

[hearty vale]

free app = weird app xd

[stark niche]

BUMP

[bold sky]

What private server could be but you playin

[pine totem]

Hey guys I think tbs should add private servers so people can choose freedom of play and not have to bother connect or a moderator for official support for every event

[hearty vale]

yes

[stark niche]

BUMP

[bold sky]

They remove my ability to pst pics or gifs 🤐

[high widget]

if you get the links discord should embed them and hide the link

embed is a separate perm

[bold sky]

I will accept my punishment

I wouldn't want to miss out on all this useful interaction here

[stark niche]

BUMP

[drifting totem]

If this is devolving into bumps that are off-topic, this thread may likely get closed.

[keen zinc]

technically there is nothing more to debate XD we (player) all agree we want private server, TB will never answer. the only thing we can do is "bump" or "ping" cause we still want it

[glacial verge]

We don’t really care too much about bumping threads in the feedback forum too much right now

That could change in the future

If it becomes stupid we just put a 1 day slow mode on a thread

So provided only dudebro up there’s doing it once a day we ain’t gonna do nothing as of now

Just don’t do it in any other forum

Big no no in bug reports or clan recruitment

But yeah stay on topic if you’re going to get “inventive” with your bumps

Too much attention seeking gets threads closed

[narrow saffron]

why

it isn't like there's an associated cost

just scroll past it

[glacial verge]

The associated cost is that it drowns out other feedback threads by putting this one higher up the list

[narrow saffron]

"people can't be excited about things"

if people are speaking up about something, then maybe it should be higher on the list, but yeah I can see singular voices causing too much noise

[glacial verge]

They’re not speaking up about something when they’re posting pictures of animals doing funny things

[narrow saffron]

considering the development feedback we get it just seems like a pedantic point to make

(the feedback is nothing, zero, zilch)

if the communication was two way, I'd be more concerned about noise drowning out useful information

[glacial verge]

And say what?

“Soon”?

[narrow saffron]

come on, players shoulnd't have to define what healthy dev interaction looks like

I think there's plenty of discords with developers of varying sizes that could be used in comparison

[glacial verge]

The devs have responded to this thread on multiple occasions the problem is this is discord so it’s a scrolling chat

[narrow saffron]

"soon" is the joke

[glacial verge]

Meaning only a handful of people actually see their responses

[narrow saffron]

the problem with dev interaction is that this discord is scrolling too fast

give me a break

I'm not going to entertain you with all the ways TBS could make effort to repair community communication, we're both wasting our time

[glacial verge]

In my opinion I don’t see what the developers can say without some severe backlash

It’s not even a dig at the community here

TB has taken too long

I fear whatever they say will either been see as an excuse or be information that’s not actually useful to anyone

[kind sleet]

Private servers will come with 2.10 I reckon

Then tbs will say chic3 is now!

Then we must rejoice

[narrow saffron]

I think private rented servers are definitely coming, and if not, tbs has really whiffed

I also think it is sad if they just show up without some kind of lead-in or heads up

I don't know how modding would work, that probably won't be included, but default private rentable servers should have been out a year ago

because we're hacking that together now unofficially and with dedicated binaries it could be done in a week

I do suspect consoles have thrown a huge wrench in all of it

But we don't know because TBS doesn't say anything and then hides behind 'nda'

[stark niche]

Honestly idk why you would if they came out with another game. Just go for show they will release a broken game, not fix it but will release another game expecting us to fall for the same shit? All you are doing at that point is just giving them more money and recieving they same product, a broken game lol.

[tulip marlin]

Devs who don't communicate deserve to have their games and communities fail.

[tulip marlin]

Don't give me that CRAP, they have the power to PIN comments, so they could totally give a rough statement and just pin for everyone to see. There is not a SINLGE pinned comment from the devs. They don't care and it shows. It would be infinitely better for them to just come out and say 'No, we will not be doing Private Servers" or "Yes, we will at a later date", instead of saying nothing at all. It's been too long without proper communications with the Devs across the board, they deserve to fail IMO.

[stark niche]

Honestly its bad enough that people who do complain about the issues of TB still pay for their passes for that " Drip " when the game is still not functional lol.

[hearty vale]

Like with crossprogression,
"In an earlier community update we mentioned we have multiple teams working on both the “Tenosian Invasion” and the “Reinforced Update” which will feature crossplay parties. The Reinforced Update team has also been working in parallel on the cross progression system between Steam and Epic. Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022."

[tulip marlin]

And then a dev makes a statement saying they will not be making a comment on cross progression... like WTF. TB devs LOVE ruining their relationships with their players. Its as easy as making a simple statement for the players... instead they just hide and make excuses.

[hearty vale]

same that what happened with Chiv 1, abandoned after a few years

[tulip marlin]

They had a great thing going for them, I'm just sick of games with such great potential be made into garbage by shitty dev teams who don't actually care for their games.

[hearty vale]

in this case i think that the majority of players who have been playing for a long time, those of us who come from Chhivalry 1 or those who would like to play many hours with friends, are discouraged because devs have taken a path more for casual players, which destroys the game for us and takes away from us the desire to play, at least for me.
I could only play this game, not play any more, if the European community had a server where we could meet every day without having to go through several servers asking people where they are playing, and im playing only twice at month instead of playing every day.
We are very dispersed and it is not worth playing with new casual players who do not even know how to take a chicken and set it on fire

TBS, this is too saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

[tulip marlin]

oh, they know... they just don't care . Instead they will come out with an update and add a bunch of features that not a single person asked for.

As is the circle of life for dev teams like this

[hearty vale]

indeed, with a shitty map with a very big shit end part, like the next will come

[narrow saffron]

I do think they care, at least the original crew does/did. The orignal crew may not be around as much, or they might have other priorities forcing their hand. Business daddy might be telling them to work on project Y instead of Chiv 2. We honestly shoulnd't expect the support to last forever, but even knowing what TBS is actually working on would be a breath of fresh air.

[high widget]

and unfortunately connect and moonmoon just get to be the fall guys for that since they don't even have a community manager anymore

[loud arrow]

Oh did she get sacked while I wasn’t looking? I was wondering why I hadn’t seen er’ around.

[random wyvern]

As it should be.

[glacial verge]

Well currently it’s “yes we will”.

[stark niche]

https://tenor.com/view/save-the-dream-saw-gerrera-forest-whitaker-star-wars-rogue-one-gif-26233079

[drifting totem]

Close the thread.. its been a good ride and you guys done well. But everything comes to an end, you guys fought well and i commend you for it. It's time to close the book. Do it Connect, you have my permission as the co leader of this thread.

[inland shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-23864982

[old bronze]

we should get private servers because then I would give you a hug

[high widget]

we should get private servers because it's literally impossible to just have fun fighting your friends without getting rdm'd to hell and back in duel servers and you cannot do small LTS in any sane way without swapping servers constantly and getting actual troglodytes intentionally following you because they can't take hints

[drowsy prawn]

Man I just want to play in an mfl skilled game everyday. I don't even play anymore unless it's a competitive event or a community event. Private servers would make it sooooo much easier to organize events. People would have no problem paying for them, sometimes I think the devs don't want more money 🤷‍♂️

[narrow saffron]

Either tbs will release them or were going to finish hacking a solution together. We've been working on getting passworded servers working past few days but it is finicky

It would be really sweet if we got a dedicated binary..

Right now we're using a listen server and stopping the rendering, it's a whole hackjob

[bold sky]

Mod in macho man randy savage and im there

[narrow saffron]

Doable

[bold sky]

Gary buisy jedi gif

[karmic pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/770595713784217640/1154056598260568124/very1984.gif

[dreamy osprey]

tl;dr Community hosted servers are here!

Creative people, mappers, weapon modders, gamemode coders, texturers, etc: now is the time to make your content for Chivalry 2

[wicked mesa]

Awesome! I'm sure the answer to this is nuanced, but how safe is this to use from an anticheat perspective? i.e are there any precautions that should be taken to mitigate gamebans?

[glacial verge]

It’s not injecting anything into the game externally

So the anti cheat won’t care

That’s the reason why mods don’t trigger the anti cheat

[kind sleet]

.

[glacial verge]

If it's a kick the anti cheat either isn't running properly or it's gotten very confused

[narrow saffron]

The launcher process does not interfere with anticheat, as the game injection does not run during vanilla gameplay where anticheat will enforce it.

[wicked mesa]

Ah okay, so if it detects it, EAC would be like "Hey, that's not allowed. Bad. Come back when you're not bad." versus "Hey, that's not allowed and you tricked me into letting you in! BEGONE!"

[hearty vale]

So, Official private servers when?

[narrow saffron]

We've shown its possible, tbs help the community out!

[tulip marlin]

LOL, they haven't given any statement about this being in the works. Want to know why?! Because TBS isn't helping them. It's sad that modders have to pick up the work that the devs should be doing. Just another reason why the devs deserve less. If these servers work properly, I don't think there would be a reason to ask the devs for anything anymore, just have modders do it. They seem to be competent enough to make it work with less.

[narrow saffron]

They is us, and help from tbs would always be appreciated. There's plenty of things tbs could do to make the experience better

[tulip marlin]

Well I wish you the best of luck, your gonna need it for TBS to do literally ANYTHING in regards to helping you.

[narrow saffron]

I think there's still value in asking for officially supported private servers 100%.

[winged gull]

Console player here: please add official private servers I will not double dip bubububump

[hybrid helm]

We need private servers. I'm tired of getting rdm'd all because the dude tried to rdm me and he put me on the "onsight list" all because I defended myself from him having his way by rdming me.

[olive raft]

Imagine how much money they would save if they would let players host their own servers in server browser

They can keep matchmaking servers theirs

[fluid patio]

Probably very little in the grand scheme of things. IME you're seriously overestimating how many players would consistently use private servers after feature launch excitement dies down

[glacial verge]

If they murdered matchmaking alongside it it would

[narrow saffron]

Do nothing and matchmaking dies soon either way

[tranquil heart]

Y'all been sayin that for years at this point "Do what I want or game is ded" 😂

[dreamy osprey]

Modding and custom servers are the reason so many people played & continued playing Chiv1

[glacial verge]

You can say that for a lot of games but chivalry 1 isn’t one of them

Most people still bloody played vanilla even though custom map servers were so easy to join

[hearty vale]

nope, private servers are the reason we continued playing, bc we still have a 64p active server in EU doing events and some comp match

[dreamy osprey]

Chivalry 1 is THE modded server game, one that I played extensively for years. There were vanilla servers, and matchmaking, but more often than not people were playing Black Knight on custom maps

• Workshop support made everything super easy & inspired tons of people to create content for the game

[hearty vale]

and the officials when?

[hybrid helm]

Private servers = no rdmers

[tulip marlin]

= no hackers, no trolls, proper competitive play, ACTUAL clan v clan gameplay, the list goes on

[glacial verge]

I don’t see how it would stop hackers

[hybrid helm]

I hope that there's a way to remove that. I know when I was in a TO lobby then the server got ddosesd.

[narrow saffron]

1. it isn't a ddos, it's a dos.
2. it requires the malicious player to be in the match, so a private match would not be vulnerable

[hybrid helm]

I wasn't so sure if it was ddos or dos.

Also it was a moderated server

[tulip marlin]

ban them? way faster and much easier on private servers.

[narrow saffron]

the password leaked in that case afaik

it is a DoS, not a DDoS

[hybrid helm]

That's what I was thinking. But the thing is that no one leaked the code from what I know of

[narrow saffron]

they did, if it is the event I'm thinking of

https://tenor.com/view/burt-general-hospital-classic-gh-gif-9266428

[glacial verge]

People have leaked passwords multiple times for passworded events

[glacial verge]

They keep coming back though that’s the problem

[hearty vale]

having private servers we'll continue baning them if they misbehave, as we did in chiv1, community servers worked fine for 10 years, and still works while having admins and mods to ban people

so that's not a problem

We need official private community and clan servers

[glacial verge]

We've banned some of these individuals upwards of 50 times

That's why I keep saying it's a small group of people

TB needs to make other changes to solve the hacking problem

[hearty vale]

IP bans maybe? we used it and works

[glacial verge]

You think we don't?

We have access to HW bans

We've banned so many IPs that innocent people are getting banned whenever they get given one of those IP addresses

These people are unemployed

They have all the time in the world to get around the bans

[hearty vale]

yep, this happened to us too, but removing the ips of the innocents from the banlist and adjusting it works, it requires time and effort to achieve it, but it can be done, that's why I think they should leave that power to the players and let us worry about our servers, since TB cannot do this

[glacial verge]

You're just saying this to get private servers

This isn't an argument against it

It's just this is a problem on a scale I haven't seen in the 10 years I've been doing this for Chivarly

[hearty vale]

is easier than that, a.e. i rent a server, i give mod powers to 20 players that will ban any misbehave, if we need to ban 50 times each player we will do it,, but we will hahve a server clean of trolls with the effort of all the mods united

[glacial verge]

So neither have you

[hearty vale]

oh i understand

[glacial verge]

Giving admin powers out like that carries it's own risks

[hearty vale]

i'm part of the clan withh the bigger EU server (64p) and this happened a lot to us

[glacial verge]

Especially in a community as volatile as EU

[hearty vale]

i know, that's why we are a clan/community with rules and polls to accept new admins, and is working for 10 years

and still active

[glacial verge]

Well I'll take your word for that

I don't know what you're standards are

[hearty vale]

i understand this part, many clans appeared and disappeared in a matter of a month, but some others were alive for years

[glacial verge]

But yeah don't at all take what I'm trying to say as an argument against private servers

[hearty vale]

thihs is our forums with the rules and all the info iff u want to check https://www.sneakymonkeys.com/forums/index.php?s=748972bd524037d066c79db6b5635ed1&act=idx

[glacial verge]

All the moderators want them

Take some of the load off lol

OH

You're sneaky Monkeys

I know you guys

[hearty vale]

okay, i understand your point, i simply wanted to give you my point of view as well, since I have experienced the fight against bad players for years.

[glacial verge]

It means you've dealt with Mr Redemption

[hearty vale]

I don't remember about this name right now, since Chivalry 2 was launched i have a bit abandoned Chiv1

maybe is a long time troublemaker?

[glacial verge]

ahh

But yes he is

Your chivarly 1 compatriots will have been dealing with him

He only started plaguing the EU after chivarly 2's release

before that he was in OCE holding the whole region hostage

DDOS mostly while running his own server with hacks on the server

[hearty vale]

ooooh so maybe is one of the guys who is still DDOSING at EU, we had some problems with people like this

i understand the problem

[glacial verge]

I don't think he's even touched Chiv 2

This group are new in the grand scheme of things

all have grudges against various parts of the EU community

though now if you talk to them they say they are "fighting against RDMers"

Which is bullshit

[hearty vale]

yep

[glacial verge]

Though some of them probably believe it

[hearty vale]

who knows, people nowadays think a lot of crazy things haha

[tulip marlin]

Yeah... but 'waiting' for devs and discord mods to ban on official servers is way more time consuming then just dming a private server mod and getting it taken care of immediately. Stop trying to compare how private servers would be admin'd compared to official, they are not close to being the same. Private servers are way easier to handle. Typically private servers are passwords protected for events. There is also a limited # of official servers, unlike private servers there would be a ton.

[high widget]

It's too bad too. If cheaters were actually fighting RDM they wouldn't be such a problem.

Nobody of value would've had a bad time if all cheaters did was fly around instagibbing actual rdmers and dropping chicken.

[glacial verge]

Their standards for RDMers are anyone who has ever wronged them at any point in time

And also screwing with the rest of the server cos it's funny

[narrow saffron]

Hw bans are a waste of time, and I'm curious where ip or hw bans are implemented, because it isn't in game code.

Also stop saying ddos, it isn't ddos. It's dos

[narrow saffron]

Except the title of this thread is private servers and all you seem to do is 💩 on discussion around it

[pine totem]

When is 2.9 gimmic

Does it say in the game files

The playerbase is dropping like flies

Also we should get private servers that way the longstanding organized community can run events without having to negatively impact the experience of casual players

I'm guessing about 2-3 events are run a night in lts and other servers and only some of those are moderated

Which means the others are "hijacked"

Nobody wants to hijack a server for an event so private servers would go a long way towards improving that part of the game

[fluid patio]

[citation needed]

[narrow saffron]

It does not say, but I found a lot of details about 2.10, which I suspect might be the swan song for chiv 2

[narrow saffron]

https://chivstats.xyz/leaderboards/hourly_player_count/
Daily average unique player count is nearly halved from 6 months ago.
If gamepass expires next month it is not good news

[high widget]

is this players who are "currently in a lobby" or "just players with the game open"?

since if it's the former that makes the numbers both even more valuable and even more damning for being an all-regions global number

[pine totem]

https://tenor.com/view/i-lava-you-pixar-lava-volcano-smiling-gif-11164290

[high widget]

3k in lobbies at any time over NA, EU, OCE, and SEA is kind of rough for a game which expects 64 players in a lobby at any time

games with fewer players aren't "truly dead" because those games don't expect a full restaurant to have a full lobby

another good indicator of how dead the game is getting is how we haven't run any real comp TO other than dipping from the entire comp population(MFL) in so long. Clans just don't have the people, and often fail to get enough people consistently for even 6v6 LTS now(only part of which is organizational brain damage)

[waxen smelt]

official private servers has to happen now tbh, but im gonna try not to say it too much. I'm sure this is already in the process, i was just a little worried so i had to get it out.

[fluid patio]

Is there no historical data further back than August?

[narrow saffron]

There is but it wasn't automated data gathering

I could probably go back farther and do a couple datapoints, but it would be manual work

[glacial verge]

We do it through one of our webadmin tools

If it ain’t in the game code it means the game is probably asking what’s banned directly from that rather than the game itself checking IPs upon server entry.

[narrow saffron]

It's probably a shim into matchmaking. There's a filter for ban status but I don't know a valid account that is banned to check

[humble cargo]

theres no such thing as private servers

[dreamy osprey]

whitelist

Or ban SteamID like the fuck how many copies of Chiv2 is someone going to own

[glacial verge]

Over 100

[dreamy osprey]

Enjoy the money

[glacial verge]

Well they don't get any really cos of Gamepass

That's what all the hackers are using

[dreamy osprey]

oh

yeah it's $1 when you make a new microsoft account isn't it

dam

[glacial verge]

If gamepass didn't exist we essentially just wouldn't have a hacker problem like this

[dreamy osprey]

rip

[junior imp]

supposedly gamepass has no anticheat

which wouldn't surprise me because the only other games i've played where cheaters have as much power is minecraft and unfiltered roblox games

[thorny kite]

Not all of them

Better ones play on steam I think

[plush onyx]

It has no anticheat and if they get banned, they can literally just Claim the game on another account for free

[random wyvern]

Wow locking the fucking post?

Talking about the issues EU is having then locking the post and sending people here… worthless moderation.

[glacial verge]

We don't want to end up in a situation where we get lots of threads all about this topic

I know that one prefaced it with how terrible the situation in EU is right now

It's still the same feedback

As far as we know private servers are coming

Even if Torn Banner hasn't done the best job at conveying that information they have done so

I think, and this is directed towards TB, that it's been said it's happening such a long time ago and in passing conversation in this thread that a lot of people don't know you've said it and those that do are worried that you might change your minds

Something I've been worried about too

[distant wharf]

cringe + valuable feedback from one of if not the best player in EU + ratio + TB sux + the hood plays fortnite now + private servers have been coming for 10 years + balls

[tulip marlin]

All it would take is a dev to com e in and state. - 'Yes we ware working towards private servers' Then pin the message for ALL to see. not hard or time consuming, just lazy not to do it

[glacial verge]

They’ve done the first bit a couple times

Haven’t pinned it though

[tulip marlin]

then they should pin it

[hearty vale]

hey, u know something about rumours of TB is making a new game?

[glacial verge]

Not to my knowledge

Though I’m pretty sure the rumours started off theories based entirely off the time after release

[hearty vale]

ok, thx for ur answer

we only had 1 update this year, maybe people is thinking about this

[glacial verge]

If you ask me given the financial situation of the parent company I don’t think TB will be starting any new games any time soon

But that’s my opinion

[hearty vale]

i hope that's true and they continue giving us more content for Chiv

[glacial verge]

Maybe they’re helping with KF3

[static crypt]

i dont think torn banner develops KF

there are chiv 2 references in KF but that's because tripwire is torn banner's publishing studio

i could be wrong

[humble cargo]

[glacial verge]

Why I’m saying is that this time around they could be lending staff

When KF2 was developed TB wasn’t a part of TWI

[fresh verge]

is that financial situation the reason why there is seemingly no resources put into in-game moderation?

It feels like there was an effort made for a couple months after launch to stop the chat from devolving into 2018-era Mordhau, but there's been practically nothing since then. RDMers, troll votekicks, griefing engineers, and people dropping gamer words are getting more and more frequent. The report button is literally non-functional, and likely only exists to satisfy regulatory statues. ChivMail is full.

Not getting timely updates and wonky game balance is frustrating because it means the devs don't care about their game very much, but a lack of moderation implies that they don't care at all and don't intend to spend another dime on anything except new battle pass content, which is the only thing that really monetizes after the game has been bought.

[glacial verge]

No no. It’s a rather recent development. Back in June Embracer was about to get a $2 billion deal. That deal collapsed which means that’s now $2 billion Embracer doesn’t have but they’ve been spending loads prior to it expecting to have that money, which they don’t. They’ve been making cuts left and right to a bunch of their studios.

Tripwire and Torn Banner hasn’t been touched by any of this and tripwire has even had a new game announced since then. Which means after this amount of time they’re probably safe.

All this means is that it’s probably rather difficult to get new things funded now given how tight Embracer has to be.

The fact that TWI and TB hasn’t been touched also implies that chivalry 2 is doing rather well financially.

The massive delay to the update is up for debate however

[random wyvern]

All I’m saying, a group of guys put in more effort into chiv than the devs (Without pay). Aux private servers, mods, maps etc. and that’s with them not having anything to go off. Everything done from scratch. I applaud you beautiful fellas ❤️

[glacial verge]

I think it's more a priorities thing than a dedication thing

[random wyvern]

They have done nothing though 🥴

If they come out with an absolutely badass update I will retract my statement.

[glacial verge]

They have shown nothing

Different than doing nothing

[random wyvern]

We’ll find out next September when the update drops

Btw, everyone is so harsh because they love the game and don’t want it to flop. Chiv has such a great potential and it needs to be reached.

[tulip marlin]

The copium is hard in this thread

[random wyvern]

Doesn’t even make since

Dang it got deleted and I didn’t catch a ban 🤣

Thanks whoever did that lol

[hearty vale]

maybe a map with final part king vs king?
i hope for private servers too, if haven't private servers game is dead

[tulip marlin]

cope harder in timeout

[fluid patio]

Yes, but you guys have to realize the devs also don't want Chiv to flop because it's their livelihood and they've put thousands of hours into developing it. Endlessly bitching about an ROI-negative feature doesn't do anything except whip yourselves into a frenzy about how "lazy" the devs are. You're just making yourselves mad for no reason and zero benefit

[tranquil heart]

"If I cant see it, then its not real" - some gamer

[winged gull]

The main vein as it were

[junior imp]

cock reference?

[stark niche]

BUMP

[random wyvern]

I spoke too early 🤣

[random wyvern]

🤣🤣🤣

[winged gull]

Cock reference, yup uhuh

[hearty vale]

+1

[high widget]

"If it's not a published feature with public accessibility Torn Banner has lost all consumer trust as to capability to adhere to release dates or develop what they said they would." is more appropriate. "We're working on it" only works if the company can be trusted as actually working on it.

[hearty vale]

Reclamation Update for August (2025)

[olive raft]

Soon

[fringe grove]

439 thumbs there’s no way this isn’t considered

[tranquil heart]

Way to wordy 😆

[icy dawn]

this is kinda real af and kind of already a thing within your moderator team

lmao

[narrow saffron]

It's irrelevant because the opportunity cost is the same either way. We need community and mods to give the game life. Moderation bias is a moot argument either way, players having the opportunity to switch would be the net win.

[glacial verge]

Gimmic’s right

[glacial verge]

I find that what people believe others think of them is often entirely wrong

Which can lead to two people or two groups hating each other based on nothing other than perceived slights and escalations

[icy dawn]

honestly we wouldnt even need private servers, if there were more moderators moderating the server browser servers

there's been a hacker in the eu due lserver all day griefing specific players, and has the chat turned off so no one can communicate in there

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-eye-roll-bruh-wtf-confuse-gif-8171315

i think calling him a hacker would not be giving him too much credit at this point either

[static crypt]

report it to chivmail with his id and a clip

[icy dawn]

no dude

[static crypt]

ok

[icy dawn]

no id and i know for a fact its been done a million tmies already

i'm not reporting it here, i'm just using it as an example

[static crypt]

wdym no id

[icy dawn]

he had no name

[static crypt]

it doesn't matter

everyone has an ID

can't be masked

'listplayers' in console will provide an ID for him regardless if he has a name or not

[icy dawn]

his name was like 533

and it was purple

[static crypt]

yeah

[icy dawn]

theres your report

[static crypt]

without his id can't do anything about it

[icy dawn]

so you cant just join the duel server and kick him?

why

[static crypt]

i dont have mod powers

im a helper

[icy dawn]

ok

[static crypt]

listen im not sure what you want to be done about it

if you don't report hackers they can't be dealt with

mods are volunteers they can't just sit in duel servers for hours making sure they never come back

[icy dawn]

the hacker is fine with me he doesnt bother me for some reason he likes me i guess, i was just using it as an example

[glacial verge]

The problem is if we are in the server and ban them live they DOS the whole server

[icy dawn]

if moderators are voluneering their time then what is it exactly that they are voluneering all their time to that they can't moderate in game ? i'm saying private servers are a huge want by the community that follows the rules and can very much so be satisfied with someone kicking the people that don't follow the rules

[icy dawn]

i get that he did it on an NA server the other night

but it was because he got vote kicked

i'm sure he juts used the "kickallplayers" command

[glacial verge]

It’s a shitty situation

[icy dawn]

he has admiin powers for sure he has to

[glacial verge]

They have god mode powers not admin powers

So they can’t kick or ban

But they can do a whole lot of other shit

[icy dawn]

well cheatengine lets you have god mode

but i'm pretty sure it doesnt let you have administrative abilitie s

[glacial verge]

It doesn’t and since this is unreal getting god mode isn’t hard

[icy dawn]

back to the original point i was making, NA could just use a moderator to moderate the duel servers during the day, i mean there are 5 in the thread right now, if you split the day between all 5 of you, you'd only have to sit in a duel server and kick rdmers for like 2-3 hours a day

i know my math is prolly bad but u get my point

[narrow saffron]

There is always room for improvement. The dilemma is getting the focus and prioritization to fix it. Moderation or code- ideally both.

[hearty vale]

not true, private servers are not only for good moderated servers, are for events, custom map rotations, tournaments, for clans and commmunities... to have a server to call "home" and play in that server with the community of that server and good players, we are announcing everyday which server we play to join all the high levels at same server in EU to play TO, in this way, we won't need to announce or to choose server every day

[drifting totem]

Hey lemon

Are you gonna bring out the news or should i

[glacial verge]

What news

[tulip marlin]

This will NEVER happen. Never expect a game mod/admin to actually hop in-game and do their job... "just post in chivmail we will get to it". What a joke! Takes like 5 mins to hop in-game and ban the hacker. Enough of the, Well they DDOS or just comeback. Those excuses have been use WAY to much, not that hard to get rid of them... OR JUST GET PRIVATE SERVERS, but that will never happen cause the devs aren't that keen on keeping a healthy game.

[pine totem]

The mods do actually do this exact thing I've seen it happen a few times

Unfortunately they don't have the ability to be available to be in every server all of the time

Also the mod he was arguing with is a "mod helper" and probably doesn't have the same perms as a full mod

Not that I know any of the specifics. It's possible helpers can only help through chivmail requests

Less autonomy since they're just interns 🙂

[hidden jasper]

I do process a few dozen tickets when I'm at work (where I don't have access to Chivalry 2), but this can only happen when people use Chivmail.

[junior imp]

nah my chiv group trying to do a 2v2 tourney and we just have to hijack a duels server and votekick randoms

it's a bit fucked

you aren't meant to do that but there's like no alternative

and TB don't seem to be fixing the issue any time soon so

[radiant crane]

Still no private servers

[void nova]

I'd really like this now... especially since they killed 40 player TO no horses matchmaking. There is only 1 40 player TO no horses on the server list for all of NA WEST...ugh. Would be nice to be able to host or have other people host the modes we want to play

[stark niche]

Bump

[hearty vale]

Is useless to continue asking for things in this game, right?

[stark niche]

Nah

[void nova]

they really really need to add this. Im greatly annoyed that theyve started deleting matchmakming modes... game is losing features not gaining them for no reason... private servers would keep people happy and let people play what htey want to play since the Devs have decided to force only a handful of modes down our throats.

[hearty vale]

removing matchmaking shit is good

now they have to remove TDM from standalone servers too -> https://discord.com/channels/209841695850889226/1171496487574831175

[hearty vale]

2025 maybe?

[woeful tide]

Can you give us more detailed information?

[bleak shadow]

They purged the chat

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-shiggy-wiggy-jiggy-sledge-barotrauma-gif-13011396174134005209

[marble halo]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[cerulean swift]

lol

update?

been over a year mate

[woeful tide]

@waxen comet at least talk to us. Give us the current state of development for private servers. The game is dying! EU Duelservers are unplayanle cause of all the hackers

[narrow saffron]

Community servers are in development. Maybe with 2.10, they were putting code supporting rented servers in 2.9

[tranquil heart]

I feel like wanting your servers to actually work before letting other people host them was a good idea 👍

[narrow saffron]

I do hope they're making it a good experience. It's likely to be pretty small in scope, through some specific game server rental provider(s).

[jolly heart]

expecting devs to reply

[hearty vale]

[narrow saffron]

[marble halo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tomorrow-tomorrow-for-sure-eventually-uhhh-gif-1449581977852559422

[tulip marlin]

more like... 'when the game population needs a little boost"

[marble halo]

Hopefully NA has a healthy population
feels a little empty at times in the upside down lands of OCE

[icy dawn]

you can request a private server for events through chivmail, theres stuff you need to provide (information about tourney) but they'll tell you what they need from you just ask

[distant wharf]

yeah what's really great is requesting a server, giving them all the information and then no response into ticket closed after date has passed ultimate swag combo

[tulip marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/thenextday-spongebob-gif-23599754

[hearty vale]

[marble halo]

[tulip marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[inland shadow]

@fringe grove
https://chivalry2.com/2023/12/07/unofficial-servers-coming-in-2024-plus-free-weekend-on-now/

[fringe grove]

https://tenor.com/view/weetabix-eatabix-insane-weetabix-weetabix-weetabix-gif-24982302

[hybrid helm]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-basic-how-to-how-to-fix-a-slow-macbook-macbook-how-to-basic-macbook-gif-20462708

[thorny kite]

can I kiss you

[jolly heart]

NO WAY, thank you 🙏

[inland shadow]

Very excited to see Unofficial Servers used from you all when it comes to community events. Thank you for your voices and continued patience with us 🙏

[jolly heart]

Brother thank you so fucking much

[cerulean swift]

Will they have mod support?

Will we be able to change the tickrate?

[jolly heart]

Connect while we have a dev here for the mean time, please tell me somethings being done about the cheating situation too. All i want is some confirmation from the devs

[waxen comet]

yes but we're not talking about details

[jolly heart]

Thats fine all i wanted was a yes. Any idea on a date? If no allowed to talk about it thats fine but I'll take any form of dev response as a w

[narrow saffron]

nice to see it announced. When will you tell us more details about how the Unofficial servers will be moderated and local admins managed etc?

[inland shadow]

Those details will probably be shared closer to its release.

[jolly heart]

Champions

Well thanks for the interactions appreciate it

[inland shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-laptop-cat-busy-cute-gif-16616368

[fringe grove]

Thanks connect

https://tenor.com/view/love-forever-cute-penguin-hi-hello-gif-17921998992664792912

[knotty kraken]

fantastic!!❤️🥳🥳

[digital silo]

Hell yeah 🎉

[random wyvern]

About fucking time

[hearty compass]

Do we have a date

[narrow saffron]

no date, just "2024", but I would guess we'll see the first iteration of unofficial servers sooner rather than later. There's existing infrastructure for it in 2.9

optimistically january/feb but we've seen how timelines slip

[jolly heart]

Idgaf bout dates

Better late than never im so stoked

[cerulean swift]

@waxen comet @inland shadow Nitrado doesn't have servers in Central. How are events expected to be held with no central servers? The competitive community can't work without central servers because they risk alienating West/East from participating in each other's events. They use Central as a middle ground

Will chivmail still provide central servers for competitive events afterwards? so many questions

[high widget]

yeah hard yikes on the location spread

[cloud lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-ping-gif-25547042

[high widget]

Chicago is the de-facto US central location due to the generally optimal routing for west, east, south central, and canada

dallas is the major routing hub for south central if including any mexico players

fun how the entire SEA region gets to pick either singapore or tokyo

europe only having london and frankfurt is the best region as far as server placements go at least lol

[hybrid helm]

It's a bummer that I might have to go on New York server

[cyan ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/because-that-is-what-champions-do-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-thats-what-champs-do-gif-25303027

[scarlet tartan]

Well, tournament central servers are south central

Didn't we discover that a long time ago

We never had central tournament servers to play on in the first place

[pine totem]

With no central/south central servers, certain events will still be requested to be held on official Tournament servers. The majority of events will be able to be hosted specifically on east/west however

Hopefully we're able to get higher quality servers with a bit more control over them. Certain tools like custom passwords, server travel etc are prerequisites for a working comp scene

Excited that Torn Banner will finally be able to provide private servers

[narrow saffron]

You are assuming the current server list hosts are going to stay around. I could see tbs shifting all hosts to their "new" server provider as part of the contract..

[pine totem]

Interesting thought. That would very much limit their worldwide server spread

Nitrado only has like 8 locations and they're fairly spread apart

9

[kind sleet]

The MFL has fallen

Millions must die

[hybrid helm]

At least they'll be more clan events going on or just wanna make a server for just your clan

[kind sleet]

You can deprioritize projectiles dw

[narrow saffron]

Or tbs could help us, or nitrado could support modding, but we'll still have the region problem either way unless nitrado is permitted to license out to self hosting, I guess they do that for some other games.

It is disappointing based on the history of tbs(started as modders) that they are not more supportive of self hosting and modding for community support and enhancement

[random wyvern]

All is fixed minus throwable. I know some people had some issues in the last event but for the most part it was perfect. I personably enjoyed it much more than normal chiv servers. We had around 30 people in the lobby as well. Maybe had 4 weird desyncs over 100 duels. But that was also on mochas private server so I don’t know if it will be the same for all.

I know Steve absolutely hated it, idk why though

Most greatly enjoyed it

[high widget]

that's a problem with the fundamental combat design, and obviously weapons which have inherent initiative will be superior when you can take actions in a reliable fashion which leverage that advantage

[ionic trellis]

Bros back

[high widget]

I had to check something I had saved in discord since I've got some stuff in my personal server so I end up opening discord once every few days

[ionic trellis]

Come back baby

[high widget]

still got stuff I'm playing through on the deck. Only a couple chapters into astlibra revision on impossible still because I've been hopping around games lol. Trackmania Turbo being on sale is nice, not sure I'll unlock Super Solo though, probably just get all 200 regular golds.

[ionic trellis]

💀💀💀