General Wiki Chat

[flat dust]

It's also just cool to watch a growing game that's going to be a big hit when I don't feel like it should be (Not disparaging Elin, just that it goes against what I'd expect from a hit)

[hallow jay]

I said that to keep the styling the same with the combat analysis page, that one has like 5 sections each detailing different offensive things

such as
Martial Arts
Melee & Ranged
Spellcasting
Throwing weapons
Summons
Debuffs

so I figured another page where it was
Damage Avoidance
Damage Mitigation
Elemental Res

[grizzled cloak]

@wheat folio

#1255163035027509331 message
Feedback about the sidebar has been received from a JP user.
Could you change the order of the sidebar items (in the Vector (2022) skin)?
Currently, the list on the main page is displayed first, and then the table of contents for each article is displayed, but I would prefer the order to be reversed.

[wheat folio]

If it's just about easy access to the table of contents, then clicking the menu on the side hides the navbar and brings the TOC up. The toc will then float and scroll with the user through the page.

the hide button will also nest it under the name header

[pseudo heron]

Out of curiosity, have anyone look into how DoT effect damage calculation work?

[robust rose]

Could ya clarify a bit?

Poison (the condition) has 20% chance (per turn?) to deal dmg equal to
rnd(endurance/10 + 2) + 1

[pseudo heron]

As in how the game decide how much damage burn, poison, bleed would deal to you or the enemy

And does it get reduce by pv and stuff

[robust rose]

Unlikely

Poison (condition) is above

Bleed is based on hp of the unit

Burning is rnd(maxhp/20 + 3), except for powerful enemies (elites and such) it's maxhp/200 instead of 20

[pseudo heron]

Hp as in current hp?

[robust rose]

Yes, I'd post the formula but I don't know what the frick base.value is from

[pseudo heron]

Oh

[robust rose]

owner.DamageHP(EClass.rnd(Mathf.Clamp(owner.hp * (1 + base.value / 4) / 100 + 3, 1, (int)Mathf.Sqrt(owner.MaxHP) + 100)), AttackSource.Condition);

Do with that what you will, it's the unadulterated ConBleed.Tick DamageHP call

[pseudo heron]

Hmmm

My guess is...base.value is the damage of the cut attack that inflict bleed

[robust rose]

My guess is base.value is cursed blursed and forever a mystery

[pseudo heron]

I found where base.value come from

In
public Condition AddCondition(Condition c, bool force = false)

base.value is inherited from the base class of condition it seem

all i need to find now if how spell inflict debuff of their element

[pseudo heron]

ok yup

[pseudo heron]

long story short, it's base on "power"

Bleed damage is their currentHP and the duration of bleed debuff it seem

so Longer bleed = more bleed damage

and the duration of bleed depend on the amount of damage dealt if i read that correctly

[pseudo heron]

Also feel like this info should be add into the wiki
Poison -> Damage over time base on target END
Bleed -> Damage over time base on target current HP
Burn -> Damage over time base on target Max HP

[pseudo heron]

wait....Poison deal damage base on END....but also resist by END

did i miss something?

[hallow jay]

Probs yours vs theirs

[pseudo heron]

Poison spell scale with dex tho

[hallow jay]

the status and the spell are probably different

[robust rose]

Does the spell apply poison (condition) or just do something else? I don't recall a poison spell at all

[hallow jay]

there's a poison spell

I guess noone uses it cause dex

[robust rose]

I haven't even seen it kek

[hallow jay]

my guess is because domains suck XD

thief / archer / witch

are the only ones with poison and low and behold (those classes suck)

[pseudo heron]

yeah

the most poison "spell" you would've seen used it by enemy like... wasp or bee

or snake

[flat dust]

I guess it's also hard to do easy categories like I said since everything uses a bit of everything else

So your general avoidance / mitigation probably makes more sense

[robust rose]

Any chance to get this thing to the top of the page, so I don't need to scroll literally half the huge page to actually reach it

it's kinda lmao implementation atm

[wheat folio]

click the hamburger menu to hide the sidebar and it should float at the top left , see the above post about it

[remote lintel]

Hi, not sure how to help with a wiki directly, but I found a wrong thing: https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Housing#Shipping - The line about hearthstone experience not caring about value is wrong. Selling the boat through the shipping chest moved me from single digit to 60% to level 2.

[pseudo heron]

huh....look like someone should re-exam the code

[robust rose]

It's affected by both, just helluva lot easier to amass 0 value items in thousands than single items worth 10k

[robust rose]

The problem with doing that is that on pages which don't have the content menu, the text is pushed all the way to the left edge of the screen

[pseudo heron]

On Elin:feat page

Brack

[stark sleet]

oh let's see

Done

(At least it is not Barack Angel

[pseudo heron]

freedom much---

[jolly light]

Hi, I think the data in this section is outdated. if I understand correctly, this is code for damage modification based on distance.
if (!isThrow)
{
if (!IsRanged)
{
attackStyle = CC.body.GetAttackStyle();
}
else if (TP != null)
{
int num = CC.pos.Distance(TP);
distMod = Mathf.Max(115 - 10 * Mathf.Abs(num - toolRange.BestDist) * 100 / (100 + weapon.Evalue(605) * 10), 80);
}
}

[supple shard]

Quick question, cause I've been updating things that I can to help out, how do you determine the price mod of the materials page? As far as I can tell, the stats in the files don't really tell you those.

[sage estuary]

Maybe they got it from SourceMaterial: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13oxL_cQEqoTUlcWsjKZyNuAaITFGK56v/edit?gid=572827061#gid=572827061

[supple shard]

Thats where I got the info. There is a value section, but it doesn't really articulate to the number we have on the wiki

I could assume that its the same as the other woods since that value is the same as them, but didn't want to make a mistake so decided to just ask

[robust rose]

Card.GetValue()

Namely num = num * (100f + num2 * (float)(material.value - 100)) / 100f;

(num2 is 2 for equip/range, 0.5 for not-equip/range)

[supple shard]

Thank you ^^

[robust rose]

FEywood and Coralwood are both 1 both ways

[supple shard]

Yeah

I just wanted to know the formula to make sure that I wasn't wrong in assuming the mod would be 1 for both

[robust rose]

🏎️

Closest to a formula default discord ones have

[stark sleet]

The calculation is still correct. If you use the 115% as 1 in this formula.

We already did a bit of analysis on this too.

[jolly light]

my bad😢 , I thought the cane be checked by it

[pseudo heron]

uhh.... i think ele scar and shield are swapped

[robust rose]

You saw nothing

also

[pseudo heron]

I swear that's a common theme of the wiki typo
L-blends consonant cluster keep typoing into R-blends

[robust rose]

Gee I wonder why it is

[stark sleet]

ahh, well, we can always correct these imr?

Using LLM is also an option.

[robust rose]

I mean it ain't a real problem, they're ez to fix as we come by them and at most they're a funny occurrence to a wiki reader due to the stereotyping

I'm 100% sure everyone can figure out that "pratinum" means platinum from the context

[hallow jay]

korean / japanese people can't pronouce L/R's XD. I find it endearing as a korean

every typo I see I'm just like... "Yup. Thats hilarious"

At least in korean its called riul

idk what it is in kanji / hiragana

[wheat folio]

japanese has stuff like k->g etc when in words (ie kami, kamigami (kami+kami)) called rendaku which i think is similar to how some korean consonants work (from the little bit i know of korean)

[hallow jay]

k / g are the same
t / d are the same
s / sh are the same depending if there's an i directly after the s
b / p are the same

and ofcourse
r / l

[wheat folio]

yeah

[robust rose]

Only thing about Korean I know is Ga because it's Bruce Lee doing a kick followed by the "a" line whatever you wanna call it (looks like |-)

[wheat folio]

hangeul's pretty quick to learn at least

[hallow jay]

yea there're not that many characters

beiup, shieup, deiup, geiup, (almost all the letters have eiup in them XD)

[robust rose]

My source of passively learning it comes from whatever little exposure through Korean Englishman

Alas as a finn, JP is just easier to learn

(JP is still scary)

[wheat folio]

ah yeah youre used to the conjugation shenanigans with finnish lol

finnish is beyond me though, i get lost in the words

i gave it a shake but it's super difficult

[robust rose]

:D

Accurate

At least pronunciation is practically identical

[hallow jay]

does anyone know how many people work on Elin?

is it just Noa?

[robust rose]

Depends on how you define "work"

We know of at least 3 people with tangible contributions to the game

[latent oriole]

@hallow jay I didn't play game for a week, so I posting results of nocturnal life test only now, sorry. First is four months without nocturnal life. After that I enable nl and pass a month without sales to change visitors already in my land.

Second is four months with nocturnal life. It seems with it there are more sales, but fluctuation is huge.

Although at the start of the test I had mostly berries +18 and at the and mostly berries +20, so it had effect too. It was so hard to not rise farming skill for nine months tbh. I almost stopped watering crops in the middle of the test. 😂

I also think policy to prevent killing may help too. Because there are a lot of drunk fights with that number of visitors.

[terse tendon]

Hmm my Wiki seems a bit weird. I've tried this on multiple browsers and I get this error that persists.

[robust rose]

Yea it's just attributes that's cooked

Tho you can read it just fine if you check through history -> current rev instead

and Player Character

And several others :D

[wheat folio]

we'll give it a reboot and see if that helps, hold on

oh, lol, we see the problem

one moment

[terse tendon]

Nono. It's multiple pages I think. I just used the Attributes page as an example haha.

Also wait. What's the problem then?

[tribal trench]

My sincerest apologies, we've ran out of hard drive space. I've resolved it and triggered a reboot, we'll be back soon!

We're up.

[robust rose]

Did you delete Frieren feet pics from the ssd

to make space

[terse tendon]

There's no universe where Frieren ranks higher than Aura or Ubel.

If it was their pics, I'd get it.

[robust rose]

Who

the hell is Ubel

[terse tendon]

[robust rose]

I've yet to read or watch Frieren

:D

[terse tendon]

Ohh lol. So it was kinda just like exposure through osmosis.

[robust rose]

Yea especially cause there was someone posting frieren feet burger earlier in Questions

[terse tendon]

Thanks for the fix btw (and @wheat folio)! I also wanted to ask, moreso out of curiosity than anything, did this affect a lot of people or?

No one's brought it up but if it was like the past hour then that probably makes sense..?

[robust rose]

Well it was a wiki issue, so yes

Prolly affected everyone, tho caches might've made it not visible to people

[terse tendon]

Ahh alright, thanks for the explanation. That makes sense (and also why I tested on incognito lol).

Since my pages were doing this weird bumping motion and not responding on my normal browser.

[wheat folio]

there were some errors in the jp wiki channel that were similarly indicative yeah

[hallow jay]

we discovered something interesting in the VC chat yesterday

when you pass a day it gives you .1 piety and that .1 peity actually ignores the faith cap

so not only does time passage increase the buff from the gods, if you do what we've been doing and marching up and down on the world map you stack up all that piety from the days passing and it ends up being massive

[robust rose]

Correct, as long as you don't offer anything or use scrolls of faith, you can technically stack Piety up. This is rather irrelevant due to how easy leveling faith is with offerings and how slow you rack up the piety levels from just time passing

(Wiki also already mentions that you gain piety exp from passage of time)

[hallow jay]

i just didn't know it went pass the faith cap

just something I noticed cause I've been eating innos burgers

[robust rose]

How do we feel about removing the "Increases XP gain from walking on the world map" part from Travel skill's effects?

I understand it's the ingame description, but it's just... unnecessary? It increases the exp from traveling on world map the same way cooking skill increases exp from cooking

no other skill mentions the associated exp gain specifically, only travel does

[robust rose]

Good talk I'll yeet it

[robust rose]

Fellas, if you make code analysis pages and copy code over, please copy the code AS IS and explain it afterwards, don't modify the code to "simplify" it.

(also, source of the code would be cool as beans)

[buoyant canyon]

Include Version that the page was written at.

[white bluff]

I've been on a mission to wine everything and record its prices for normal, cursed, and blessed https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Vendors/Wine_Prices

Does anyone know if theres a way I can get items to be more likely cursed or blessed?

[robust rose]

Blend them with blessed/cursed water

Are all these values with enclv 0 ingredients?

[white bluff]

Some of the previous ingredients didnt seem so as when I remade em to check wiki prices mine were lower

I didnt realize that ingredient quality would impact, only items that did have quality on them were the vegetables so I am remaking them at the moment

also testing other ingredients that were previously on the wiki to see if I get anything else

I believe the information about eggs might be false unless I'm missing something. I can't get any eggs to wine, unless it takes an absurdly long time?

[white bluff]

Most non marbeled corpses seem to wine for 30. While marbeled corpses wine for 50

Do you think we should create different tables for corpses, fruits, veges, etc

[white bluff]

The eggs can be wined they just take a long time haha

I was impatient xd

I wish you could make mayo by wining eggs honestly

[white bluff]

I never contributed to a wiki before, I hope the information I added is correct. If anyone needs screenshots for verification let me know. I was making sugar wine and noticed there wasn't any informaiton on it so it sparked me to add a bunch of wines haha

[robust rose]

Personally I do not think such a table is worth in the first place, as it's super cumbersome to use and the values are subject to change due to frequent patches

[white bluff]

I guess its mainly for me having fun experimenting then ahaha

[robust rose]

Oh yea there's def no hurt to doing it

If you're having fun with it go nuts

[white bluff]

Thank you 😄

Do you know how I can check the enclv value of eggs? I have many different stats of eggs for chicken for example, and I am not sure which one is zero by looking at them

[robust rose]

If it doesn't say X +Y then you can pretty safely assume that the X is enclv 0

(or 1, however you like to think of it)

[white bluff]

So additional mods on the egg shouldnt impact quality then? For example I have an egg that has common quality, and an egg of the same species that doesnt have a quality

[white bluff]

Regular corpses generally seem to be 30 orens, and marbled versions of the same corpses 50. Every egg I made into wine goes for 36

was alot of fun, done adding stuff for today haha

[wheat folio]

thank you for the hard work

🫡

[robust rose]

It's likely that anything with "metadata" or whatever you wanna call it sells for same price

Corpses, eggs, bonito flakes, cheese if it can be wined don't think it can tho

[white bluff]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, another thing I noticed is that items that are cursed are generally half the value of original, while blessed only seems to add 10 or 11 orens. But I will need more data to confirm this

[robust rose]

Btw what sell price are you listing

shipping bin?

[white bluff]

yes

shipping bin

i was thinking about seperating tables so its more organized later on, and showing price difference between raw ingredient and wine to show profit margins

[robust rose]

Das gonna be rough since the raw ingredient price scales better with enclv

[white bluff]

im just gonna show ingredient with 0 encl

[grizzled cloak]

The “List of medals on static maps” item has been separated from the small medals page.
Could you please update the link to the small medals (小さなメダル) page in the JP version sidebar to “Elin:小さなメダル/設置場所”?
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:小さなメダル/設置場所

[wheat folio]

Updated!

[robust rose]

Now with enchant values shown ingame without mods (by holding x), I think it to be prudent to add the values to at least static items like god artifacts and medal weapons

on the wiki, that is

The question is do we want it on both the specific artifact page and the generic Elin:Gods, or only on the specific artifact page

[grizzled cloak]

The JP side has already started to display the enchantment values, so we can follow suit.
Regarding the notation on the Gods page, my opinion is that the values should be displayed. It will help players to make a good decision to choose a god.

[robust rose]

Aye

I'll add the rest after a monhun session

[grizzled cloak]

The page size of "Elin:Bestiary" has become so bloated that it will be broken down into individual pages in the near future. This will be a major change and is expected to take several days to complete.

Specifically, the following changes will be made;
・Three layers; Bestiary/(race)/Monster
・Move the current detailed monster list to Bestiary/(race)
・Create a simple monster list page instead.
・Move Overview and Unique to a dedicated page.

Please check the Japanese page for the renewed style.
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:モンスター

[robust rose]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Detail_of_Food should likely be moved to a code analysis page (even if it's dumb), considering it's basically same as https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Code_Analysis/Food_Effect but without the scary code blocks

[grizzled cloak]

I have provided feedback to the JP editor (Tremoron) who created the Detail_of_Food page. It is up to that editor to listen to your request.

[robust rose]

Wait so we're allowed to put stuff from code onto normal pages?

Last I heard it was prohibited

[grizzled cloak]

Posting code on general pages is still prohibited.
However, the editor probably created the page thinking that it would be fine as long as they didn't post the code itself.

[robust rose]

But we may post information found in the code, just not the code?

[grizzled cloak]

The point is that I want to create a wiki where all people, even those who can't read code, can understand the content.
Editors may use code analysis to understand the game system, but they must keep in mind that not all users will understand it if the code is posted as is.

[robust rose]

Understandable, but I asked if I could put the fishing odds on the fishing page (not the code, the odds as in "chance to catch an ancient book is X") and was told that that's not appropriate since JP side considers all information found via the code to be spoilers

and it should go in code_analysis instead

[grizzled cloak]

It's true that we should perhaps be more tolerant of the information we can get from the code. It might be okay to include information on the probability of catching fish on the fishing page
However, if we fail to gauge how much detail to explain, it will end up being a copy of the analysis page, like the Detail of Food page.
Ultimately, whether or not we can write articles that anyone can understand based on the code is up to the editorial skills of the editors.

[grizzled cloak]

In conclusion, the information obtained from the codes can be written on other pages if it is explained in an easy-to-understand way.
Please post the code on the analysis page. I previously moved the code and its explanation to the analysis page, but it is okay to post only the explanatory text on the general page

[robust rose]

Can we get that pinned

[grizzled cloak]

Yes, please. I'm not familiar with discord, so I would be happy if you could do it for me instead.

[robust rose]

I can't, that was the point :D

only people wit hmanage messages perm can pin stuff, so has tobe a mod

@obtuse mural Could ya pin sakuma_shiki's above message? #1249592549681791017 message

[wheat folio]

(you can ping me for wiki related things)

[robust rose]

Well this ain't exactly a wiki related thing but a discord related thing :D

No idea who has what perms

[grizzled cloak]

The Bestiary page reconstruction has been completed.
New monsters have not been added yet, but I hope this will be an ongoing process for all of us!

[wheat folio]

Thank you very much! Your hard work is very appreciated

[robust rose]

Made a pic of material dye water colours due to a dude asking, what would be an apt place on the wiki for something like this?

[wheat folio]

we have a dye page, it would fit in there imo
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Dye

[robust rose]

Now just to figure how to add a pic properly

[robust rose]

Fellas do we think info on the wiki should be correct or what game tells you?

[wheat folio]

What's the context in this case?

We did change the stats page to be "correct" rather than what the game says in the help menu, for example

[robust rose]

I changed the Travel skill effect a while ago since the ingame description of it is complete bogus

was mostly thinking that

[grizzled cloak]

#1255163035027509331 message

A bug has been reported that if you enter a version with a trailing 0 in the “Version” template, the trailing 0 is not recognized.
(e.g.) {{version|23.120 }} will be considered as version 23.12.
This is a bug confirmed for the Japanese version of the template, but the same problem may occur for the English version of the “Version” template.
If anyone is familiar with the wiki, please fix it!

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Template:バージョン
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Template:Version

[fast granite]

I'm not sure here is right place to report wiki information mismatch, but anyway...
King parfeit: wiki says "any dough"; game says "cake dough"

[robust rose]

You can edit the wiki as well

I'll do it if nobody has done it yet by the time I get back

[wheat folio]

@stark sleet i believe this is your template, if you wouldn't mind taking a peek at updating it

[tribal trench]

Semantic Scribunto 2.3.2 has been implemented.

As always, @ me if something is busted.

[robust rose]

That template fix is gonna be rather annoying

due to how its implemented with the expectation of never going above 99 :D

Actually

It shouldn't be that bad let's see

What is the current version

:D

[robust rose]

Aight fix would be easy but also require that the version be passed as a string "23.120" instead of number 23.120 when invoking the module

@wheat folio Do we go with that solution?

[wheat folio]

seems like it's the best bet for now, tbh

[robust rose]

Oh hm, maybe it works without changing the invokes to string, I don't know why tho?

@grizzled cloak I've updated the module to handle minor versions above 99 and it has the output as shown above (with various inputs). Can you tell if something saucy is still going on?

[grizzled cloak]

From what I can see, I'm not very familiar with debugging either, but it looks like it's been fixed properly.
Thank you for your generous efforts!

[robust rose]

@wheat folio Yea, so it seems to work now with no changes needed to calling it on pages (don't know why), so until something breaks we'll go with that :D

Sorry lnno for molesting your code, just revert the changes if you ever resurrect back to mortal realm again

[wheat folio]

Thank you for poking it! It's appreciated

[grizzled cloak]

It seems that there was a translation error in my previous comment, which was pinned, and it was conveyed with the wrong meaning.
#1249592549681791017 message
"I think it is also okay to publish some of the explanations that have been moved to the analysis page along with the codes."
↓
"Please post the code on the analysis page. I previously moved the code and its explanation to the analysis page, but it is okay to post only the explanatory text on the general page."

Please allow me to move the page for analyzing the beehive code.

[robust rose]

I don't think it's a translation error and it's pretty self explanatory, I didn't take it to mean that code would be fine on pages, just information derived from the code (and thus formatted in a way that reader doesn't need to understand code to understand it)

I got no clue who Shitposting duck is tho

Not to mention his interpretation of the code is also wrong

I believe we're better off reverting the page to previous state https://ylvapedia.wiki/index.php?title=Elin:Bee_hive&oldid=17205

[grizzled cloak]

I have rolled back the Beehive article.
The new code has been moved to
Elin:Code Analysis/Unclassified, so please check there.

[grizzled cloak]

@wheat folio The change logs for the early access version have accumulated, so could you please move the old logs to a separate page?

[wheat folio]

Sure thing! I should be able to do it some time in the next day or so. 👍

[wheat folio]

it's a little rough, so feedback is appreciated- but I split the changelog by yearly quarter and year, so each page should be a little easier to navigate and read now.
Please let me know if there are any issues, or if this format doesn't work 🙇

[grizzled cloak]

Thank you for your hard work editing!
I have no objections to the overall page structure, so I think I can take care of the minor adjustments to the pages.

[robust rose]

I was thinking of making a wish calculator module that'd tell you how many of whatever it is you choose you'd receive upon wishing for it based on saliva or magdev/per/mag but have couple smallish issues with the plans:

1. Getting the item price. I can't quite ask the user for the price, since they aren't visible anywhere reasonably without using mods.
2. Furniture prefixes. Rolling a prefix can slightly increase or drastically reduce the amount.

For 1. it'd likely be easiest to just have a pre-made list of all the commonly wished stuff within the module itself, and maybe have a separate field if chosen item is not found that'd ask for the price

For 2 tho, I don't really know? Just have a disclaimer "Random prefixes on furniture can cause drastic differences in amount received"?

[wheat folio]

Hmm, yeah, I dont see a feasible way to manage the prefixes, so a note would be the best bet there

just having a range would be helpful though

[robust rose]

Yea I will have a range for negotiation/home discount, since as it turns out those affect wishing & Kettle duping via affecting the item price in the GetPrice function already

Home discount affecting Wishing is kinda funny

[robust rose]

Any ideas on how I could pass user input to a javascript script on the wiki? Intent was eg. hmtl dropdown selection but that will fall to not being able to add local script to "listen" to the selection and pass it as an argument

(If it isn't painfully obvious, I'm not a programmer and I'm even less a webdev, having practically 0 knowledge and experience with html/js before this attempt)

[fluid thicket]

what is the final product you're trying to make here? a drop-down menu to go to different pages? or what?

[robust rose]

In this case just a calculator for wishing where ya could choose the item you're wishing from the dropdown & fill in the necessary stats in fields

and have it spew out a range of how many of said item you'll get

[runic nacelle]

I'm thinking of adding all the npc races base stats in the Race page for people who want to find specific stats milk, should I create another table or should I overwrite the body slots one that's there?

[grizzled cloak]

I think it would be fine to create a new table, or even a new page.
If you want to list the data for milk status, you should make it possible to refer to the class base status on the same page as the race data.

For information on milk status, there is an overview on the "Elin: Ally/Baby" page, so I think it would be best to refer to that.
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Ally/Baby

[robust rose]

@grizzled cloak Undersea doesn't actually give bonus to fishing (it does nothing currently). The description is likely a result of just copypasting Sea entry

[grizzled cloak]

Oh, I see. There may be a bug that the creator did not intend, so I will send a feedback.

[pseudo heron]

Lucky dagger's chase is also a faction bonus

editing

wait...it's also have +22 damage instead of +16 damage

Can someone double check it to make sure I'm not tripping?

[runic nacelle]

22?

on the screenshot it shows +18

but yes, chase is incorrect at the wiki for not being a faction bonus

[pseudo heron]

ok, changing chase to faction in progress

[tranquil geyser]

Do you mean +16?

[pseudo heron]

we meant the damage, not enchant strength

[runic nacelle]

Aoi, Mizuno and Rodwyn doesn't have 『』 brackets or are even considered to be unique in-game. Should they really be in the unique page of the bestiary?

[pseudo heron]

does it mean their egg would also clone them instead of chicken?

[robust rose]

Ye,s you can get lotta Rodwyns

[grizzled cloak]

I think it is correct to consider a character with 『』 name and a unique appearance to be a unique NPC.
I think the most important thing is whether Wiki users can easily access the information they are looking for.

[robust rose]

I think wiki puts it just fine

[grizzled cloak]

When someone unfamiliar with Elin thinks, “Which page of the Bestiary should I look at for 『Aoi』?” I think the first place they would look is the unique NPC page. For the sake of such users, I think their information should be kept on the unique page.

[runic nacelle]

the thing is, they don't have 『』in their names in-game

that's why I sent those screenshots

[robust rose]

Oh they lost them

[grizzled cloak]

Oh, I'm sorry, I think I misunderstood the point.
I think it's fine to list Aoi and the others as either unique or not unique. However, completely removing any mention of them from the unique page is not user-friendly. If you want to move their information from the unique page, you should leave a link or some other indication of where users can find it.

[pseudo heron]

What does Noa mean by this change i wonder

[wispy anvil]

I think they were mentioned in the patch notes at one point. I think the 『』 were removed to make it consistent with how they are treated in game (egg cloning instead of chicken, etc), if I recall correctly.

[pseudo heron]

Imma try do some code analysis

[pseudo heron]

It's done

awaiting peer review

[robust rose]

On what

[pseudo heron]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Code_Analysis/Hearthstone_growth

My ADHD brain command me to jump into the code at 3 AM

It's now 4:14 PM

[robust rose]

Remember you're dealing with C# here, there is no automatic typecasting to float

since we're dealing with ints, 15 / 10 = 1

(because it goes to 1.5, which gets floored to 1 due to being an int)

[pseudo heron]

remind me again, does C# floor everything when float had to become int, right?

[robust rose]

Ints get floored yes

[pseudo heron]

I'll....try rerun the number later
Right now my brain no longer braining

Tho it would be nice if there are also other people double check it as well in case in would still be making mistake (most likely)

[robust rose]

I'll take a proper look at some point

[pseudo heron]

I have done the recalculation

[pseudo heron]

So, I have test my Hearthstone 0 value item numbers in practice

And it's appear to work!

I can confirmed that the numbers for growth boosted average number, on average, do level up the base in one go

[wheat folio]

Going to move changelogs to a new namespace (Elin Meta:) so theyre separated from search, can use the namespace for other things that would be useful to isolate from the general namespaces

mediawiki has been battling for years to introduce a magic word that just doesn't make things show up in search but
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T24251

lost cause i guess

Additionally I'm looking to assign some people with the Bureaucrat role, which would let users edit sidebar/css/etc 🤔

as well as give them basic moderative powers (although, we've thankfully solved the spam account issue with the image captcha, it seems)

[robust rose]

Ah spammers

[wheat folio]

since we added the captcha thankfully we haven't had any

well the new one

[robust rose]

Ain't noticed it, prolly due to always being logged in

[wheat folio]

it's only on account creation

but it was effective enough

[wispy anvil]

Do you need any help with moving changelogs or are you going to use a bot? Willing to help out with whatever is needed.

[wheat folio]

I was going to use the pywikibot, probably!

[wispy anvil]

that works

[robust rose]

@wheat folio Could we get https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Calculator for the wiki? I could probably use it for some buncha calcs

[wheat folio]

sure thing! ill peek at it this upcoming weekend, gonna be working on a couple of things for the wiki

[robust rose]

uwu

[wheat folio]

Apologies, got really busy the past few days. I'll poke at it rn

[wheat folio]

Alright, implemented, seems to be functioning

[robust rose]

Thank u

[wheat folio]

Gave additional rights to Sakumashiki, Shichimenchou, Neko Knight and Moasseman for Interface Administration powers (Interface editing, .js editing, .css editing) additionally gave Neko Knight some additional rights for Semantic Mediawiki editing.

If anyone else needs or wants some more rights to work on stuff, let me know 👀

[robust rose]

Aw man the calc template doesn't have summation easily as a func

[wheat folio]

I only grabbed the basic template, but you should be able to port over any subtemplates it has built off of it, like the calc button one 👀

you SHOULD be able to make mediawiki:blahblah.js pages now too if you need more features or modules

or module:blahblah

[robust rose]

Yep

with .js rights I can just

skip the calculator for the more convoluted ones

[wheat folio]

let me know if anything needs more rights and I can make a new usergroup role, the gulf between "Administrator" and "Interface Administrator" is huge lol

[cerulean nova]

Any way to disable "Elin Versions" category from showing up in search? Kind of annoying when I try to search for a specific page but most top results are just Elin changelogs.

[robust rose]

@wheat folio What ya think of possibility of moving the changelogs to their own namespace? It's kinda unlikely that people who are not specifically searching for changelogs would want to see them

[wheat folio]

yeah, i set up a namespace for that (Elin Meta) ive just been absolutely swamped lately (big apologizes)

i was gonna just run the maintenance script or pywikibot but if you want to go ahead and move them over please feel free (or if someone wants to run pywikibot themselves lmk)

[robust rose]

I can go manually move the pages but I can't do it via bots or anything

[wheat folio]

im juggling full time work and college it's been a little hectic on my end lately

[robust rose]

lmao school

Am glad that's done with :D

[wheat folio]

harass me about it if i forget (my poor slippery brain)
but I'll try to take care of it this weekend

[wheat folio]

We're firing off the mass move for the changelogs to elin meta, all future pages for changelogs should be made under Elin meta: rather than Elin:
I'll move a couple of other pages like merchandise, modding, etc ; Code analysis might work there, since this way it wont show up in searches in the default elin namespace for people, too?

the version templates and modules might need adjusting or an update after this

[wheat folio]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Module:Version_Info will need an update

The Version pages have been moved to "Elin meta:".
Some templates and modules may need an update. "Elin meta:" pages will not show in search by default, which allows more flexibility on what can be put on pages so as to avoid spoilers or clarify searches.
To search "Elin meta", please click the "Search In" box and check the "Elin meta:" checkbox under namespaces.

[wispy anvil]

From what I'm seeing, it looks like fixing the links on the redirect pages for the translation function makes the version info stuff show up after a refresh on the changelog page. I'm working on fixing the links now. Neko Knight did a good job on the templates.

[wheat folio]

we just installed a wiki extension that lets you mass edit, i can fire it off and fix all the redirects in one go shortly

[wheat folio]

fired off the script, should have hit 250~ pages

doing it for alpha/beta redirects too

it'll take a little time to process but it'll do it automatically for all the pages

@wispy anvil if you want to save yourself some effort, it'll edit all the pages to fix the text automatically when the job processes

[wispy anvil]

oh perfect

awesome, looks nice now thanks

[wheat folio]

[whole stratus]

@wheat folio Would like to fire off some concerns about the editor Wraith Magus.

Said editor has inserted headcanon as fact (eg. re: elea), and has constantly posted several errors re: gameplay in edits, like claiming the magic domain has innate penetration.

While I do not believe this to be out of malice, the constant addition of misinformation and speculation to the wiki is concerning, especially if/when no one catches it.

[wheat folio]

You can make a message on their talk page and bring up the specifics or just a "Make sure we're double checking things before posting", and then it's fine to edit over the incorrect parts and clean up the incongruencies.

re:elea thing I think it could be a phrasing thing, ie, an anecdote like that would be better phrased in a trivia section as a "It may be that-"

if he has a reference for it, we have reference embeds and notes available

[wheat folio]

I agree that we shouldn't be adding speculation outside of user pages though- reviewing some of the edits.

only seeing one or two little tidbits here and there though, easy fix with just confirming stuff first

[wispy anvil]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:更新履歴 got missed on being moved to Elin meta.

[robust rose]

Moved it manually

[wheat folio]

Whoops, thank you

fixed the sidebar too

[grizzled cloak]

The manual migration of the Japanese version's Changelog pages has been completed.

During this process, it was discovered that the Japanese version's "Change Log/Demo" page had never been created.
Do you know where to find the demo version's log? It didn't seem to be on Discord's updates.

[cerulean nova]

Appreciate the change, much nicer to browser the wiki now.

[wispy anvil]

I do not know where to find it. For the individual patch pages, I manually translated the demo patch notes just so Japanese people would be able to see the patch notes too and dropped a note at the top of the page says "Kono pēji wa kōshiki patchinōto no eigo-ban no hikōshiki hon'yakudesu. Kōshiki no nihongo patchinōto o o-mochi no kata wa, kono pēji o kōshin shite kudasai. Eigo-ban ni tsuite wa, kono pēji no eigo-ban o goran kudasai. Yoriyoi hon'yaku o gozonji no kata wa, kono pēji o kōshin shite kudasai.
/
This page is an unofficial translation of the English version of the official patch notes. If you have the official Japanese patch notes, please update this page. For the English version, please see the English version of this page. If you know of a better translation, please update this page."

We also seem to be missing demo patches 9.2 through 9.8 in both languages, unless those were skipped.

Apologies in advance if my Japanese is imperfect.

[wheat folio]

the ones I had i manually retyped from inside the demo iirc, I still have the old techdemo floating around so i can peek and see if the patchnotes are still in there

[grizzled cloak]

Around UTC 09:00, the Wiki became slow, and page loading errors started occurring occasionally. Other Japanese editors are reporting the same problem.
Are there any English editors who have experienced something similar?

[runic nacelle]

Yes, today I had some issues when loading up pages too

[robust rose]

I can't load the wiki at all

@wheat folioShitter's clogged

[wheat folio]

will flush soon

[wheat folio]

shitter should be unclogged, sorry for the issues

might happen again, we'll see

[robust rose]

Everybody lay off the fiber for a while

[wispy anvil]

Just so I know I'm not inadvertently contributing to the issue, what causes the problem?

[tribal trench]

Apologies about the extended downtime and general slowness. We had several scrapers coming from three different networks completely crushing the server. One was a GPT scraper bot of some sort, the other was hitting the sever from several different IPs at the same time, and the final one originated from one IP and accounted for about 34% of server traffic during a 24 hour period. I'm dropping their packets now so you should see better response times. No contributors or regular visitors were at fault.

Feel free to @ me if something like that happens again.

[grizzled cloak]

Since yesterday, the wiki has been running slowly again, just like before. Please check again for any suspicious access.

[robust rose]

Ain't been issues on EN side at least

[grizzled cloak]

Is this just my personal network issue? I'll wait and see for a bit longer.

[robust rose]

Maybe the suspicious access was Sakumashiki's network all along 👻

[runic nacelle]

wiki is hella slow rn

[wheat folio]

any better?

[runic nacelle]

yeah, it's all good now

[robust rose]

@wheat folio What's the deal with dynamicpagelisting, people are seeing outdated static nefia list on https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Nefia#Static_Nefia but to me it shows up to date one

I don't know how the extension works or is supposed to work I now know how it's supposed to work but I still got no clue why it would be off to some people and fine to rest

[wheat folio]

sounds like page caching, been having phantom issues with logged in vs guest users seeing different cached versions of the page 🤔 with pages with discrepancies, you can add ?action=purge to the end of the url and it should fix it for everyone

[robust rose]

Nice, tried ctrl f5 but that didn't help

[wheat folio]

yeah action purge forcibly clears the cache for everyone so it helps when pages get stuck

[runic nacelle]

so uhh the new keeper npc, should it go to unique NPCs or bosses page?

[grizzled cloak]

I think Keeper is unique.
The top of the Unique page states: “Unique NPCs, friendly or neutral, who live in towns and settlements.”

[runic nacelle]

fair enough, unique it will be

[grizzled cloak]

I entered “23.229,” the latest stable version, into the version template, but it displays “This article concerns Elin features, which are not yet released in the stable version.” The same issue occurs with the Japanese version template.
If anyone familiar with this template could fix it, I would greatly appreciate it.
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Save_Data

[robust rose]

Sorry, I had missed a stable update (cause of PoE league heh), the version module is now updated

The page should fix itself after cache refreshes

I forcibly purged the cache and now it shows correct

[grizzled cloak]

The Wiki search function appears to have been malfunctioning since yesterday. Administrator, please check the issue.

[wheat folio]

Confirmed on our end too, we're looking into it 🫡

[wheat folio]

We resolved the issue 🫡 Search should be back up and running

[grizzled cloak]

#1255163035027509331 message
A JP wiki user is experiencing an issue with the search function on the Wiki when using Safari in Split View mode on an iPad Air (4th generation) running iPadOS 18.7.2.

(AI Translation & Summary)
Device/Software: iPad Air (4th Generation), Safari browser, iPadOS 18.7.2.
Issue: In Split View mode, tapping the magnifying glass (search icon) does not initiate a search.
Prior Behavior (Expected): The user notes that previously, scrolling down the screen would cause the search bar to appear.
Workaround: The search function works correctly when Safari is used in full-screen mode, but the user finds it inconvenient to switch back to full-screen every time.
Question: The user is asking if this is a known specification/design choice or a bug.

Since this issue relates to browsers and viewing devices, a complete investigation may be difficult, but please check if possible.

[crystal tusk]

Only active if the feat holder is the player or a follower of Elin of Harmony.
I think the wiki table for classes and races a bit needs to be changed. It was always ambiguous but kind of obvious now with the Demigod update.
In its current state you don't know where the "Sacred Twilight" feat ends and the "Peacemaker" feat starts.

[robust rose]

Feel free to change the wording

[crystal tusk]

Not the layout or anything?

[robust rose]

I mean if ya feel like it can be made better, go nutso :D

That's what wikis are for

I'm more concerned with information being presented correct rather than in a specific kind of way

But I do share your opinion in that the "feat effect" column is kinda weak

It's ambiguous and now that I'm actually looking at it, wrong in several places

[runic nacelle]

the problem is that applying a rowspan on the feats will mess with the sorting function of the table

which is honestly the biggest point of the race/class page

[runic nacelle]

... I may have an idea

[whole stratus]

A list of all cards by number might be helpful. Is there anywhere this information can be found in the code?

And if so, would it warrant its own page on the wiki, or perhaps a collapsable table or something on the cards page?

I am going insane trying to figure out which entities I am missing.

[runic nacelle]

it basically uses the _id column from the source chara to number them

... which could cause some issues since every so often it skips a number

and some entries can't be obtained at all without console since they're not implemented

[whole stratus]

I see.

[runic nacelle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CJqsXFF2FLlpPz710oCpNFYF4W_5yoVn/edit?gid=213930552#gid=213930552

this should help in the meantime

[wheat folio]

Wiki search will be down temporarily due to an outage, wiki iself will remain online

[robust rose]

Eat the rich

[wheat folio]

it should be back

[robust rose]

Regurgitate the rich back out

[wheat folio]

youd have to take it up with susanoo or zeus or something

[pale pewter]

Wiki down

[wheat folio]

Ai-related traffic keeps obliterating us, gonna be implementing something to handle it soon

[grizzled cloak]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Cooking
Cheese will likewise have the -2 PER, but foods with extremely negative PER (less than -4 PER) values are not overwritten; instead, their base value remains unchanged.
Example: Cheese made from Undeadgod meat (PER Lv.-10) has PER Lv.-10.

The Wiki states this, but when tested in the actual game, Azzrasizzle's cheese changed from PER Lv.-10 to -11.
Why does this happen? Is there some mechanism being overlooked?

[robust rose]

Act of decaying modifies Per by -10, I wonder if that's being applied here now since it becoming cheese no longer sets the Per to -10?

[runic nacelle]

I feel like this to be the case, I sent as bug to noa, if it gets fixed then its a bug if not then its intended

[robust rose]

I mean it's definitely working as it should, but whether it's working as intended who knows :D

[wheat folio]

We'll be upgrading from mediawiki LTS 1.39 to LTS 1.43 this weekend- there should be negligible downtime while we upgrade and troubleshoot any potential issues.

This is mostly a security update, but there's a few new bells and whistles like optional 2fa, a "thanks" feature on edits, an inbox for messages and an improved dark skin on vector 2022.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.43 some changelogs and notes

[tribal trench]

The disruptive part of the update is done. We've implemented a few new features that come packaged with MediaWiki by default as noted above. The site's CSS will still need to be updated to support the new, built-in dark mode for Vector. I'll be working on fixing our CSS issues over the week.

[wheat folio]

There's currently an error when switching languages using the top-right drop down box due to an internal change.
We've opened a ticket with mediawiki for a solution, as this unprecedented change breaks the multilingual extensions that we use.

[robust rose]

I assume dark mode still has some quirks remaining from the changes

because that is now very unreadable :D

[wheat folio]

Yeah, we're workin on the css 🙏 growing pains

[wheat folio]

we didnt get a reply yet (reasonable, because of the holiday) but we implemented a temporary fix.
We may scrap {Extension:LanguageSelector} in favor of a more bespoke solution, but {Extension:Polyglot} will function as normal

TLDR; structure format for multi-language pages will remain the same but the mechanism for switching pages might be adjusted.

[pale pewter]

Wiki down again

[pale pewter]

Wiki up!

[robust rose]

Wiki sideways

Wiki has left the building

Wiki is approaching at alarming rate

[pale pewter]

[wise moat]

:(

[pale pewter]

Wiki down

[wheat folio]

workin on it, apologies

[tribal trench]

Thank you for the reports and your patience. We were (and are) getting hit hard by a distributed botnet. I've locked down a few computationally expensive features on the wiki to mitigate the attack.

Non-anonymous users should still be able to access these features.

[wise moat]

That's awful and I'm sorry you have to deal with it. I hope we came across as teasing and lighthearted. I know in times like these it's easy for the audience to unfairly lash out.

Hope the issue is resolved and the attackers(?) get theirs eventually.

[wheat folio]

oh lol yall are fine

we're just playing some whackamole with these bots, theyve been hitting a lot of wikis in the past four months

[tribal trench]

Everyone's been plenty polite, no worries there. This is what I'm here for. Feel free to @ me when things like this happen

The attack is bizarrely sophisticated for what the site is. Lots of random residential IPs (zero datacenter IPs) hitting computationally expensive pages while providing random user-agents.

The database server may need a slight upgrade, she's cooking from all the requests 😔

[robust rose]

Beatings will continue until morale improves

[wheat folio]

[crystal tusk]

Pursuer presumably has a english page, but attempting to open it redirects to https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:モンスター/リッチ/追跡者

[robust rose]

Opening it redirects me to the EN page according to my language selection

[crystal tusk]

... ?

[robust rose]

Might be related to the changes that are happening #1249592549681791017 message

[crystal tusk]

That's odd. Broken for me.

[wheat folio]

we had to do something hacky to get languageselector working again until mediawiki staff gets back to us on an update bug feature, what's your computers's locale and what browser are you using?

[crystal tusk]

Firefox, didn't change my locale

[wheat folio]

your system locale is english then?

ctrl f5 and try again?

[crystal tusk]

Fixed.

[wheat folio]

nice

[wispy anvil]

Looking at the error message from the extension, and looking at what I can find on MediaWiki's website, it sounds like for extensions that use recursion, older versions of MediaWiki assumed that you wanted to allow a deep recursion, which is very expensive, and newer versions of MediaWiki support a depth parameter for recursion to specify none (which is the default), deep or choosing your limit (not implemented yet). So it sounds like we'd have to figure out where to change the recursion setting for the language switching extension from none to deep. No idea where to do that though. Here's the page for the other extension I was looking at that I drew the above conclusions from: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryToolbox

Not sure if that's helpful or something ya'll had already figured out, but figured I'd put it out there just in case.

[frigid marlin]

Internal error occurs when selecting a language from the dropdown list in the upper-right corner, on any pages
however, when the language is set to EN via User Profile->Internationalisation->Language, the English pages can be viewed without any issues
so this appears to be a problem with the language switching functionality.

[runic nacelle]

there's an editing bug rn, if you switch between source editing and visual editing, at the end there will be 2 prompts to save changes with the last one being an older instance from when you switched modes. If you're not paying too much attention you will overwrite the finished article with an older WIP one.

[wheat folio]

Oh dear

Hmm, I'm not able to replicate it

Going from source to visual (first image was visual -> source)

Take a screenshot of it if you can 🤔

[runic nacelle]

this one popped up immediately after I saved the changes

and I can't even scroll it

this is the top of the page, except for this notice and the save changes at the bottom of the page, everything seems fine (the changes I made are already reflected on the page)

trying to save the changes now resulted in nothing happening

doesn't show up on the page history and no changes were made

same thing here from another edit

it says I'm in read mode despite the screen being clearly from source editing

[wheat folio]

is it still happening?

[runic nacelle]

yes, just tried it now

started in visual editing, did one small change, changed into source editing and then immediately back into visual and saved, second buggy screen showed up

[runic nacelle]

so a bit of a problem with faction enchants color on dark mode, it's near unreadable

[wheat folio]

Oh, thanks! I can adjust

[wheat folio]

I tried a couple of different ways and couldn't replicate this btw, what browser are you using?

my best guess is it's a cache issue but id have to dig further

[runic nacelle]

firefox in private browsing is what I use 99% of the time, I will do some tests on my end too

[wheat folio]

hmmm, it might be something in incog mode, I'll poke around too

what extensions do you have?

ublock/cookie stuff/decentraleyes/etc?

[runic nacelle]

only ublock, tried just now on non incognito and it still shows up

[robust rose]

Modules are a bit on the difficult side to read on dark mode as well

[hard narwhal]

@wheat folio
Hi, sorry for the sudden mention.
I wanted to report that ylvapedia.wiki is currently inaccessible due to an SSL / HTTPS certificate warning.
On iOS Safari, the browser blocks access with a “Your connection is not private” message.

Sorry if I mentioned the wrong person.

Just letting you know in case this hasn’t been noticed yet.

(This message was written using a translation tool.)

[robust rose]

@tribal trench

Shitter's clogged

(You can still access it by ignoring the warning but yea cert expired)

[wheat folio]

heard, working on it shortly

[tribal trench]

Thank you for the heads up. Looks like the cert did expire on our running config. I reloaded the config with our renewed certificates, things should be functional now.

[hard narwhal]

It’s working fine now. Thanks for the quick response

[tribal trench]

I'm glad I was able to assist. Thank you for your patience.

[runic nacelle]

@tribal trench wiki got murdered 504

[wheat folio]

the botnet is angry, please stand by 🥲

[tribal trench]

Pardon the interruption 🙇🏼‍♀️ I think I've partially mitigated it.

If anyone near Brazil cannot access the wiki please let me know.

[robust rose]

just ipban 127.0.0.1 I heard its popular address with scrapers

[crystal tusk]

Top 100 times trolling went too far

[olive bear]

can't access the wiki, was there a massive ip range ban or sth?

im not even near brazil

[wheat folio]

ctrl+f5 and try and load a page first.
The short if it is we (and many other wikis rn) are getting rolling ai-scraping related cyberattacks over the last few months that are getting increasingly sophisticated

Otherwise, if you still cant access, @tribal trench should be able to help you out when he's free

[olive bear]

thanks, i will check tomorrow if it still doesnt work

[wheat folio]

sorry for the inconvenience 🙇🏻‍♂️

[tribal trench]

Would you be willing to DM your IP to me so I can look into it? Thank you for reporting your issues.

[olive bear]

Sure

[rapid pumice]

I am unable to connect using my WiFi, only cellular

Lmk if you need my IP

[tribal trench]

Please send it my way!

[olive bear]

yeah still cant access the wiki

[tribal trench]

Changes have just been applied, pardon the delay. Let me know if you can hit it.

[olive bear]

Works 👍

[robust rose]

Woke up to spampings asking "why was I banned from forums"
Go check forums

You've been banned by the administrator
Ok but I am the administrator so eat ass
Ask darkgod (dev & the host)
darkgod fixes it
Go check moderator logs on forums

[rapid pumice]

I can now visit the wiki

[tribal trench]

rent

[wheat folio]

shitters clogged, workin on it

[fossil sphinx]

Not sure if it's being worked on by I'm getting 504 for the wiki

[fossil sphinx]

Cool

Didn't know if it was related

[wheat folio]

yeah, temporary measure from the other day lasted less time than the previous measures

these bots are HUNGRY

[tribal trench]

It's a DDoS. Unfortunately I may have to accept going with Cloudflare.

Same perpetrators as yesterday, they have a massive range of IPs to play with, it looks like.

[wheat folio]

[tribal trench]

I'll set up Tor access for those who'd rather not deal with Cloudflare soon.

[robust rose]

Ah yes for all 2 people

[tribal trench]

True...

We're back for those who can clear their DNS cache.

[terse night]

I am still unable to access the wiki, i'm located in the Netherlands, what can I do?

[low flame]

Hello, from south America, would like to get white listed if possible, thanks!

[sweet zinc]

can a N'wah get a whitelist from SEA

[wheat folio]

if you havent tried clearing your dns cache, do that first, since it should theoretically resolve access issues. if it doesnt work then we'll poke at it for you specifically.

windows key + r -> cmd in the searchbox -> then in command prompt type
ipconfig /flushdns

[sweet zinc]

it worked, im cracking you for this one bro 🤞 🤞 ❤️

[wheat folio]

[low flame]

Thanks it worked here

[wheat folio]

[terse night]

I tried this but it didn't resolve it for it for me :(. Tried flushdns as admin, cleared browser history and tried this in both chrome and firefox. In one attempt it very slowly loaded the page, but without all the markup and visual elements (so just a white page with some links), but now it doesn't load anymore

[wheat folio]

What browser are you using?

oh you said

hmm

ctrl f5 didnt work either?

netherlands shouldnt have been impacted by the rangeban, can you access the page on like cellular data on a mobile device at all?

[terse night]

let me try on my phone

yeah, that seems to work fine

[wheat folio]

[terse night]

What was the rangeban? I know the ip range for cellular is different than my network at home

[wheat folio]

the rangeban was for brazil lol, so very far away from you

[terse night]

🐛😅

Can I do anything else to resolve it from my pc?

(not really an expert in this lol)

[wheat folio]

are you running a vpn at all on your pc?

[terse night]

no

[sweet zinc]

when back it dont work on me, changing into mobile data works

vs the wifi

[wheat folio]

i would try accessing through google's dns and see if that resolves it for now, probably the quickest option. in that bottom section youll put 8.8.8.8 in "preferred dns server"

[terse night]

alrighty, let me try that when I get back, thanks! 😄

[wheat folio]

then in a couple days go empty that field out to undo the change, your isp should have caught up by then 😂

[midnight thistle]

What's the general solution for now? Thanks

[wheat folio]

clear your dns cache

[wheat folio]

heres instructions

[midnight thistle]

Thank you. I was able to access in my phone but not my desktop

[tribal trench]

Whoever's hitting us hasn't stopped. The queries they're performing are useless for scraping/building a dataset too.

CSR: Challenge Solved Rate. Actual visitors would be able to solve the automatic challenge presented.

Also, if you get this screen while logged in please let me know what page you received it on.

[terse night]

I just tried your solution, cleared the dns cache again and it solved it. Interestingly, I then tried to undo it and let the DNS automatically be obtained and cleared DNS, and now it still works :p. Thanks, now I can access the wiki again

[robust rose]

Got it on Bee hive https://ylvapedia.wiki/index.php?title=Elin:Bee_hive&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

[tribal trench]

Thank you! That shouldn't happen for logged in users now. It'll still pop up for visitors until I know we're in the clear.

[robust rose]

I am once again asking for dark mode not wrecking code blocks :(

[wheat folio]

I looked at this before, but my modules look like this:

and read mode

do you have a browser darkmode thing taking priority?

[robust rose]

My editing that same module is

and reading is

I'm not sure which one is worse

[wheat folio]

What browser?

[robust rose]

Causing permanent cornea scarring or living in the V O I D

Firefox

[wheat folio]

Weird, i'm on floorp, so it should be the same

[robust rose]

If I go to Vector2022, it makes everything look like mobile trash but colours work

[wheat folio]

Oh you're on classic vector?

hmm

[robust rose]

with Vector legacy 2010 everything looks normal except code blocks are cooked

[wheat folio]

Oh yeah dark mode in 2010 IS cooked, damn

[wheat folio]

Okay, I see what's going on now vector 2010's dark mode works by just flat inverting values, rather than by having a palette like vector 2022

I should be able to bullshit something that'll make it neutral grey in both light and dark mode so it wont have the inverse effect on anyone who happens to use 2010's light mode

[wheat folio]

@robust rose give a ctrl+f5 and check a block and let me know what you think

kinda ugly but should be functional

had to go for a middle ground so light mode wouldnt get the opposite problem

if anything specific stands out let me know and I can tweak it

[robust rose]

Not sure if functional is term I'd use

especially comments are nigh-invisible

[wheat folio]

hmm

I could just go whole hog in, I dont think people use vector 2010 except you

[robust rose]

Well excuse me princess

I don't like my pc looking like a phone :D

[wheat folio]

Not being terse just sayin I think if I just specialize it for vector2010 dark nobody would complain

[wheat folio]

might just abolish the dark mode extension since it's only for vector 2010 (which we depreciated for 2022, which has dark mode built in) and just do custom css (end result, no more light mode for V2010, but im not sure if anyone uses it)

we have citizen on the wiki too if you've poked at that, which has built in dark/light

anyways what flavor of dark mode would you prefer- browns (elona style), or greytones/ low contrast, or pitch black oled mode black

means you won't have the hideous inverted parchment.pngs on the front page either

getting tripped up since some things work in console (inversion exclusion tags) but not in vector.css, which is annoying enough to make me want to throw out the dark mode extension... also it prioritizing itself over codemirror styling etc (or maybe incompatibility w/ v2010, idk)

[robust rose]

I've no idea what types of dark mode those are, I liked what it was before the whole wiki went tits up :D

In fact it's perfectly fine currently outside of code blocks and the banner being what it is

[runic nacelle]

so there seems to be a problem on the Gagu and Pursuer pages, on mobile it works fine for me, but on desktop there's an issue:

Whenever you load the EN page it automatically goes to the JP page and if you keep reloading it will go back and forth between EN and JP.
Those two pages are the only ones I've noticed with this problem

[robust rose]

Someone mentioned same last night, was that one of those pages or something different?

[runic nacelle]

it was on the Pursuer, it has been acting up for a while tbh

[robust rose]

Do we really need Elona specific content on Elin's wiki pages?

Am talking stuff like this in Wishing page

[wheat folio]

True, could probably be cut

[wheat folio]

Still working on a not-ass dark mode for legacy vector btw, hoping to have the legacy vector version done soon-ish so we can disable the inversion extension, then i'll start the overhaul for our normal vector skin

[robust rose]

:D

[wheat folio]

we never got word back from the mediawiki folks about this, but there is an open ticket for it :/ best response someone gave us was about a configuration on an extension we dont use at all, then everyone in the world got the mega ddos beam at the same time

I'll nudge the ticket, but worst case we'll have to build a bespoke module to handle language swapping

the most recent ltsc definitely has some ghosts id prefer to get busted

[wheat folio]

progress so far- feeling something like this for coloration.

still gotta do tables, imboxes, etc so not usable yet lol

(and still massaging the dark parchment to loop a little better)

[runic nacelle]

reporting another page that's constantly switching between EN and JP: Raphael's page

[wispy anvil]

So, a little more digging. I doubt you're going to get a response, as it looks like the LanguageSelector extension is no longer being actively maintained, so for the long-term, building a bespoke module might be the best option for future maintenance. In the meantime, a potentially quick fix you could try that might work is changing the recursion settings using the Semantic MediaWiki extension since Language Selector doesn't seem to have the capability to set the recursion depth on its own and seeing if that works (see included screenshots). Universal Language Selector doesn't support anonymous users being able to select a language so that's not a great one for us. Hope this helps.

For the recursion level, I'd guess trying something a level or two higher than the number or languages we have and see if that works. IDK... not sure exactly how they're doing their recursion.

[wispy anvil]

On the subject of dark mode issues, Version Navbox is a bit of a flashbang on Brave browser.

In semi-related news, we're caught up on creating separate pages for patches in Elin meta again.

[wheat folio]

Thanks for looking into the recursion error! And thanks for the hard work with the patchnotes.

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Template:Version_Info/style.css putting this here so i remember to poke at it for dark mode

[wispy anvil]

No problem, just wish I had a better answer.

[runic nacelle]

A question: I plan on uploading the Achievement Icons, but I'm not sure what naming should I use for the file name. Should I use the entire achievement name (which can be rather long) or their internal ID names (which are short but you can't exactly know what they are without using AssetStudio or something)?

[wheat folio]

can make a upload campaign for it and then use internal imo

then put achievement name in description

ill set that up tomorrow since achievement count will grow

[wheat folio]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Campaign:Elin_Achievements 🫡 go nuts

[runic nacelle]

Thank you!

[wheat folio]

gotta massage the parchment texture to scale better, but we're almost there, I keep finding random menus I gotta style while clicking around though

||then i get to convert this from a legacy skin to the dark mode for our standard skin! Then clean up styled templates to match! ||

like 80% there though, should probably finish (and hopefully convert) by the end of this weekend... if all goes to plan

[wheat folio]

New skins are now live.
For those using vector 2010 (legacy), disable the darkmode toggle - we'll be removing the extension that handles it shortly.

Please report any issues or inconsistencies you see.

Todo:
Both:
Version Info.css (Template stylesheets seem to be picky about version switching, need to look at this more in depth- also to maintian support for vector legacy)

Vector2022:
Headers and left-padding
Sidebar styling?

Vector2010:
prefpages buttons

If you dont see it, Ctrl+f5

[robust rose]

Variable names could use some tuning in the colour department

[robust rose]

Shift F5 is profiler on modern firefox, force refresh is Ctrl f5

[wheat folio]

I use florp, my bad, it's still shift f5 for me

[wheat folio]

should be fixed

let me know if you see other variables like that

[robust rose]

Function names are a bit borderline

it's readable but not comfortable

[wheat folio]

Want them lighter?

Sec

refresh

[robust rose]

Thanks

[wheat folio]

sure thing, let me know if you see anything else out of place

[robust rose]

Lol at the lonely p left behind :D

but it doesn't matter in the slightest

[wheat folio]

Oh, it's a different class, I can grab it

fixed

[robust rose]

There's an odd vertical line

in the editor

[wheat folio]

I'll peek

[robust rose]

At first I thought it shows the edge of longest line but it moves when you scroll so

Oh nvm it doesn't move, everything moves as line number becomes 3 digit

[wheat folio]

Fixed

[robust rose]

The selected revisions highlight is rather incandescent

Same with the edit saving prompt

My preferences page is also rather white

[wheat folio]

Missed these, thank you. I'll fix them shortly

[robust rose]

These icons are very black on a dark background, tho they aren't particularly critical

When comparing changes, the highlit differences are rather difficult to read

[wheat folio]

preference pages are a little more involved, gimmie a sec on that one

Alright, all those things sans icons should be fixed, icon fix will be incoming

[robust rose]

Hype

Rest are fixed, Preferences is still hella white

It also uses the old Dark mode

..does hte preferences page use different skin than your selected?

[wheat folio]

Buttons fixed

[wheat folio]

Oh, preference page skinning was a backend toggle

skin should apply to it now, gotta touch up a few buttons back there

Couple ugly bits but prefpages is fixed

Todo: clean up more of the buttons on prefpages later

usable for now 😭 keep sending in reports and i'll knock out fixes

[runic nacelle]

minor stuff on dark mode, the portraits got neg

[robust rose]

Are you using legacy vector?@runic nacelle

[runic nacelle]

nah, 2022, that's while editing a page when searching for a link

[wispy anvil]

On whichever versiion of darkmode is used when you're not logged in (brave browser), links that haven't been visited yet are a little hard to identify unless you mouse over them as they are the same color as normal text.

[wheat folio]

😳 ill take a peek when im home, should be an easy fix, i have filter:invert(1) somewhere still probably

[wheat folio]

even not logged in the appearance tab should be visible to toggle to (styled) dark vs automatic (browser-decided dark/light theme)...i thought

[wispy anvil]

ah, ok, just checked and it does. hadn't looked at the site while not logged in since I created my account, but I just got a new PC so I had to log in again. 😆

[wheat folio]

Can't replicate this one, what browser are you on?

I did make them transparent though, since i missed that

I cleaned up something that may have been causing it though, so let me know if it persists

Working on better auto-mode detection for 2022 (other users are having issues with automatic mode too #1255163035027509331 message ) but this may take a little bit for me to figure out

[runic nacelle]

I'm using Firefox, but I double checked now and it's working fine

[wheat folio]

[grizzled cloak]

https://ylvapedia.wiki/index.php?title=Elin:Bestiary/Machinegod/Big_Daddy
The new Big Daddy Sprite is displaying with distorted proportions.
I haven't checked all the updated pages, but there may be other pages where this issue is occurring.

[robust rose]

This hole, it was made for the『Big Daddy』

[runic nacelle]

on the topic of sprites: https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/File:Elin_Icon_Ability_Song_of_Tulip.png this icon here refuses to update to the new version, I already tried waiting (around a month), uploading a new version and even reverting just now and this mic just refuses to budge. It's not a huge deal because this icon is a semi placeholder noa is using, but it's kinda bugging me out

[wheat folio]

I noticed some issues similar to this when i was working on the css, even though the internal path changes properly (ex images/9b/4b/image.jpg -> images/3c/2a/image.jpg) the actual image doesnt overwrite it.

[wheat folio]

I'll investigate 🔎

[bitter wolf]

is there a specific reason why these links redirect to the jp page?
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Bestiary/Lich/Pursuer
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Bestiary/Troll/Gagu
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Bestiary/Norland/Raphael

[grizzled cloak]

@runic nacelle The sprites are distorted again.

[runic nacelle]

This happens because the resolution changed, it will usually auto update after some time. But on my side there's only 2 things I could do to make it instant:
1 - upload as a brand new sprite, which will generate a lot of duplicates
2 - moving the image page and immediately after it uploading a new version seems to update it instantly from my experience, but that comes with the problem of moving/changing their perfectly fine name for no reason

Otherwise I've already tried null edits and action=purge to see if it force updates but it didn't work. As for why I'm updating the sprites for anyone curious:
1 - those are the "official" sprite sizes, so there's uniformity on them
2 - but the main reason is to make them appear as thumbnails on the search bar and when you hover over their page's link (this one only works for large sprites), which if the sprite is cropped then it will most likely not work due to their weird resolution, admittedly this is not really needed on pages with a portrait and without multiple sprites

[wispy anvil]

The JP redirect page is incorrectly named. It is Elin:Bestiary/Troll/Gagu/en
instead of Elin:Bestiary/Troll/Gagu/jp

Need someone who can move without a redirect to fix it I think.