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#General Wiki Chat
flat dust
I wonder if you could have sped it up with console commands or something
Also I guess with all the decomp work, someone might eventually make tool to view the various maps in browser
So you could easily mark things there or take pictures from it
hallow jay
it was mainly just data entry that took that long
the finding and picture taking was the easy part imo
flat dust
I was gonna say that the list of medal locations could be it's own page but that would leave the small medal page empty
Maybe just start with it collapsed and a spoiler warning or something
flat dust
I'd have to figure out how to do it
you guys already did the worst of it so someone experienced with wiki syntax can probs fix the last bit in a few minutes
flat dust
It's nice though because the medal list is now effectively complete, at least information wise
hallow jay
Right
I reference that page for people all the time
and I get alot of questions about finding them
So now that theres a nice picture guide
I can send that link with pride
flat dust
"Searching the ground" does this just mean waiting?
hallow jay
stark sleet
That can work, but any pages merely mentioning the template will also in that special page, for example you can see my whole user page is on there (please don't delete that)
wheat folio
i mean this is why you have human eyes on it... but seriously you can just @ me for this stuff, the wiki is not that large and im not some mysteriously veiled wizard in my tower 
i really dont mind
great work! thank you!
latent oriole
Why the hell someone deleted perfectly normal page with food stats and move tables in other food page. I'm okay with moving them, but new tables are useless. They don't have sorting! And previous ones had sorting. Who in their right mind can figure food stats without coping everything in excel now?!
And I think previous version with numbers only was better. It was easier to navigate. Now it complete mess. I don't need the descriptive words, I can easily read them in game. I need numbers!
Will do my own list gdocs tomorrow, I guess. Can't use food page in that state anymore.
stark sleet
ummm, we can add sorting real quick?
Would you mind tell me what table you are refering to?
latent oriole
Yeah, and the last one previously crops were separated into groups. Like in game. Because each dish need veg, fruit, nut or grain. Now it one big list. Lol.
latent oriole
Would you mind tell me what table you are refering to?
Almost all under food type. Fish, crops, seasoning.
They were on separate page before.
Now page is gone.
stark sleet
latent oriole
Yeah, can you navigate that mess?
stark sleet
Yeah... these things.
I understand, this page is currently under heavy construction, and I think the users haven't finished yet
latent oriole
Previous table was with numbers only. With sorting columns.
stark sleet
As a temporal solution, maybe I could refer you to Elin diff resource document
It is maintained and constantly updated, so you won't need to create your own google doc
latent oriole
If it wip, it okay. But may I ask to remove descriptive words from list? They not needed and there is already a general table on top with them.
stark sleet
If it wip, it okay. But may I ask to remove descriptive words from list? They no...
Yeah... or maybe we can create a new table, or restore the previous one perhaps?
latent oriole
In my opinion previous was perfect for it purpose. If someone go to wiki for stat in ingredient I doubt that person want to read descriptors.
stark sleet
Oh btw, are these tables useful in [[Elin:Cooking]]?
toxic houndBOT
stark sleet
Not sure if these tables are what you are refering to
The are probably moved from elsewhere, so...
latent oriole
Yeah. They exist. I thought they gone forever. ๐
stark sleet
XD
latent oriole
It actually the old version I think.
stark sleet
Know they won't remove something that useful
stark sleet
That I couldn't fathom as well
I'll at least add a sentence telling people to find sortable table at the other page
latent oriole
The separate page with simplified stats was the cleaner version instead of putting the list on each cooking related page.
stark sleet
True, true
hallow jay
a friend of mine and I found something really juicy
we havn't tested it with all the different potions from the casino but the ward monster potion only goes away after sleeping 3 times
so if you never sleep (because there's no drastic consequence outside of combat) you'll never lose its effect
and you can run around on the world map without ever really being attacked my monsters randomly
stark sleet
judging from the code:
public Condition SetPerfume(int duration = 3)
{
base.isPerfume = true;
base.value = duration;
return this;
}
the base duration is 3, so if you tested as 3 sleeps, then perhaps it is
case CureType.Sleep:
{
for (int num2 = conditions.Count - 1; num2 >= 0; num2--)
{
Condition condition2 = conditions[num2];
if (!(condition2 is ConSleep) && !(condition2 is ConFaint))
{
if (condition2.isPerfume)
{
condition2.Mod(-1, force: true);
}
else if (condition2.Type == ConditionType.Bad || condition2.Type == ConditionType.Debuff)
{
condition2.Kill();
}
}
}
Yea it is, for every sleep, perfume duration is modded by -1
Hotspring, and the two blessing from Mifu and Nefu are also counted as perfume effect
Guess you want to do Lure metals then...
tepid coral
one thing real quick, on the small medals page the people shooting at me for breaking the table would suggest you do indeed get attacked, lol
hallow jay
yea....... we noted that as well
apparentl you can tele port rod a piece of furniture
tepid coral
ty for the photos on the page btw
I tried following it before and it was too much of a pain, the photos help a ton
stark sleet
lol, so bandage do cures bleed condition for a bit
Ohhh nice, so cure body and cure mind each cures their corresponding conditions
this hasn't even come to my mind because how these spells worked in elona
flat dust
That's useful to see, the spells really feel like a black box with how little information they give you
flat dust
Is the "death protection" or "death save" actually documented anywhere on the wiki? Didn't know about it until I saw these 3 from god pages but found no references elsewhere
Furthermore, the stamina-based fatal hit protection mechanic introduced in Elin allows fairies to survive death blows so long as they have stamina, making their play somewhat more forgiving. Nevertheless, while fairies are more kindly treated in Elin than in Elona, they should still not be up in harm's way.
With prayer now costing no piety and death protection costing stamina to activate, absorb stamina is less attractive, but it's always good to have options.
Prayer of Jure is an excellent healing option that is available to even non-caster archetypes, but since it draws from the same pool of stamina that fuels death saves, one needs to weigh the costs and benefits of using this powerful healing ability.
stark sleet
Let me search through the code first
robust rose
Is there a death save unless auto fighting?
Thought it was just for the permadeath oath and with autocombat
stark sleet
Nope, I don't think there is one
flat dust
I've noticed that me or allies frequently end up at what looks like 1 HP in auto combat on non perma death
robust rose
Yea in autocombat there is
stark sleet
Isn't that the automatic stop function?
robust rose
No
stark sleet
hummmm
robust rose
It eats stam
flat dust
Isn't that the automatic stop function?
It does auto stop for it, but often it's at what seems like exactly not dead
Even if whatever just went down should have killed
robust rose
It's only during autocombat unless permadeath oath
stark sleet
well... then that's a complete different direction... search again
flat dust
Whoever did the god pages clearly felt it was important
stark sleet
if (hp < 0 && Religion.recentWrath == null)
{
if (isRestrained && IsPCFaction && EClass._zone.IsPCFaction && (!IsPC | (Chara.ai is AI_Torture && Chara.ai.IsRunning)))
{
EvadeDeath();
if (Chara.stamina.value > 0 && (EClass.rnd(2) == 0 || !IsPC))
{
Chara.stamina.Mod(-1);
}
}
there you go
wait no
scratch that
So for a fate character, you need to have more than half your stamina to evade death.
This will always trigger no matter if you are in auto combat, and I think this is known pretty well
if (attackSource != AttackSource.Finish && IsPCParty && Chara.host == null && EClass.pc.ai is GoalAutoCombat)
{
if (!EClass.player.invlunerable && (EClass.pc.ai as GoalAutoCombat).listHealthy.Contains(Chara))
{
EClass.core.actionsNextFrame.Add(delegate
{
Msg.Say(IsPC ? "abort_damage" : "abort_damgeAlly");
});
EClass.player.invlunerable = true;
EClass.player.TryAbortAutoCombat();
EClass.pc.stamina.Mod(-EClass.pc.stamina.max / 5);
}
stark sleet
if (attackSource != AttackSource.Finish && IsPCParty && Chara.host == null && EC...
for this, if the character is in PC party, and is in auto combat,
and the character was healthy (not in critical condition?)
the auto combat will abort, and you will be penalized for 20% of your max stamina
So it is not just for fairies, but for all auto-combat characters, 20% stamina cost. And you have to return yourself to healthy (non-critical condition) for this to work a second time.
TIL moment again.
flat dust
man reading the decomp can be brutal
stark sleet
void EvadeDeath()
{
hp = 0;
if (Evalue(1421) > 0 && isChara && Chara.mana.value < 0)
{
Chara.mana.value = 0;
}
}
Oh and this, if you evade death by this mean, your HP is set at 0, if you are wraith, your MP is also set at 0
I think that answers the question
lol it is documented "somewhere" (in [[Elin:Combat]])
toxic houndBOT
stark sleet
Is the "death protection" or "death save" actually documented anywhere on the wi...
just didn't say the cost
flat dust
just didn't say the cost
Also literally no reasonable way to connect the mechanic on the gods pages to the mechanic on that page
I went looking for anything "death" "protection" or "save" and got no where
stark sleet
I searched for stamina XD
strange mortar
Been rummaging through the code to find info about the Mikos' blessing and Eurika's blessing and I found this
c.c_dateStockExpire = EClass.world.date.GetRaw() + (flag6 ? 180 : 180) * 1440;
[...]
if ((c.trait is TraitMiko_Mifu || c.trait is TraitMiko_Nefu || c.trait is TraitEureka) && EClass.world.date.IsExpired(c.c_dateStockExpire))
{
Choice2("daBlessing", "_blessing");
}
So if I'm understanding this correctly the cooldown between blessings is 6 months?
flat dust
Surprised compiler didn't catch ? 180 : 180
stark sleet
that suppose to give an error?
flat dust
that suppose to give an error?
No, it does nothing
flat dust
It's like a compressed if statement
stark sleet
I think there was intended implementation of making the Mifu cooldown lower/higher
but whatever
now it is all 180 days(
flat dust
if(flag6)
return 180;
else
return 180;
Basically nothing happening, compiler often good about getting rid of them
stark sleet
So you are saying that the decompiled code shouldn't have this available to us...
hummmmmm
flat dust
So you are saying that the decompiled code shouldn't have this available to us.....
I would have expected it to be discarded by the compiler so it wouldn't exist in a decomp, but plenty of reasons for it to be in there
Maybe compiler doesn't see that it does nothing or maybe the compiling settings aren't on full optimization
strange mortar
Welp hope it gets used sometime i guess
flat dust
What even is flag6?
strange mortar
bool flag6 = c.trait is TraitMiko_Mifu;
lol
Maybe he wanted to make one Miko cooldown lower than the other
flat dust
Got a link to that in the decomp?
stark sleet
flat dust
Also to avoid discord butchering code you can add ` 3 of these followed by "cs" then new line and put your code then end with 3 more ``
stark sleet
gotcha
strange mortar
Ah ok good to know
robust rose
Can also specify the language after the backticks for fancy syntax highlighting
flat dust
Looks like that code probably just got expanded / rewritten / repurposed and the flag6 is leftover from old
constantly surpressing urges to refactor when reading the decomp
layer = EClass.ui.AddLayer<LayerList>().ManualList(delegate(UIList list, LayerList l)
{
77 lines here
}).SetSize()
.SetTitles("wTrain")
.SetOnKill(SE.PopDrama);``` some of it's so criminalIf it works it works i guess
stark sleet
I want a pair of eyes that can automatically balance parenthesis
Hope Noa make this as a feat
flat dust
I want a pair of eyes that can automatically balance parenthesis
If you gonna spend much time looking at the decomp you should probably just import the whole thing into some IDE
Hell even for just that part I pasted it into notepad++ so I could figure out what the hell was going on
highlights the other bracket for you
In this case I had to follow the line lol
stark sleet
Yeah... but I do enjoy the code searching provided by github, although I know some IDE can do things like that
flat dust
Yeah... but I do enjoy the code searching provided by github, although I know so...
Oh yeah proper IDE can do all that and more
You can also rename variables / methods if you want to make things more readable
wheat folio
like the discord embed? it usually just pulls the first sequential image, I'm no discord wizard though
can put < > around links to prevent image embeds
wheat folio
oh rooshi, your guide should be under your userpage, so User:Rooshi/Guidenamehere, so I'm gonna move it over there in a moment
hallow jay
@stark sleet Yo idk if you know this, but by any chance do you know what resists the ele damage from melee hits? Is it PV or Ele res? PDR or EDR?
stark sleet
So you are just talking about the physical damage from normal melee hits right?
PV have an effect of percentage decrease, something like 68% + 5d11
All other element resistance is in Evalue 950 - 972
within which 971 is a feat of full resistant damage
if (Evalue(971) > 0)
{
dmg = dmg * 100 / Mathf.Clamp(100 + Evalue(971), 25, 1000);
}
range from 1% decrease to 90% decrease
So there are definitely multiple damage reduction to physical damage that can be done
hallow jay
So you are just talking about the physical damage from normal melee hits right?
Nah, like the fire / cold / lightning dmg from the elemental staff
stark sleet
Let me have a look, I could think of a few possibilities...
hallow jay
Ty โค๏ธ
stark sleet
I think I found something... not sure if this is the final answer
So for any element attack on melee weapons, the damage is first calculated, then went through PV first
num -= num10;
num = TC.ApplyProtection(num) + num10 + num9;
TC.DamageHP(num, num5, num6, (!IsRanged && !isThrow) ?
after that, this damage id went through each element, and have a 25% chance to proc (independent of the value shown on the weapon)
foreach (Element item in list2)
{
if (!TC.IsAliveInCurrentZone)
{
break;
}
if (item.source.categorySub == "eleAttack")
{
int num11 = 25;
int dmg = EClass.rnd(num * (100 + item.Value * 10) / 500 + 5);
if (conWeapon == null && weapon != null && weapon.trait is TraitToolRangeCane)
{
num11 = 0;
}
if (num11 >= EClass.rnd(100))
{
TC.DamageHP(dmg, item.id, isThrow ? (100 + item.Value * 5) : (30 + item.Value), AttackSource.WeaponEnchant, CC);
}
}
}
the damage is calculated via the value shown on weapon though
but it depends on the already calculated damage after PV
stark sleet
so it should also go through element again
if (!e.source.aliasRef.IsEmpty() && attackSource != AttackSource.ManaBackfire)
{
dmg = Element.GetResistDamage(dmg, Evalue(e.source.aliasRef));
dmg = dmg * 100 / (100 + Mathf.Clamp(Evalue(961) * 5, -50, 200));
}
Yeah, it will go through that again
but on the bright side, a "50" extra lightning damage means a 25% chance of dealing 0~ 120% +5 the damage after PV
So here I have a [0, 3648] training dummy
it bearly does nothing, so PV absolutely thwarts
the only question is probably element resistance, but I think it should influence the damage as well as well
stark sleet
so, what about... using intonation?
by intonation you mean...
hallow jay
intonation of fire / lightning / cold / etc...
stark sleet
oh, the spell
hallow jay
sorry I should have wrote that more clearly
stark sleet
no, it is just I'm not playing in EN version
hallow jay
ahh
hallow jay
I cry
hallow jay
yea I've observed it like that
but I wasn't sure if it had some effect
I use intonation on my fairy executioner
I've noticed tho that intonations don't convert the ele dmg
stark sleet
they don't, but now these damage also ignore PV
these ele damages are done separately after the attack
So... what's the meaning of having 100% penatration again?
we can just... intonate it
hallow jay
yea lol right?
I was so worried on my melee build about having pen
then I realized... oh wait
intonations bypasses this
ig its for people without the ability to intonation alot
stark sleet
Yeah, now I can just use my 2d40+7 sledge hamma
hallow jay
gotta get that hunger for slaughter
stark sleet
I remember reading that the earth hammer triggered earthquake damage depend on your current lvl of earthquake magic
not sure though
hallow jay
oh there're so many things people have said about that weapon
that it scales off of your str
that it scales off of your tactics
that its static
etc etc
stark sleet
time to check then
hallow jay
So glad you're so fast at that ๐
I really should get dnspy instead of using the github repo
also I found this on my character sheet just now, wtf...
stark sleet
wait there is a living weapon enchantment??
hallow jay
it existed in Elona so I'd imagine its just not implemented yet
hallow jay
also I found this on my character sheet just now, wtf...
how the fuck do you get -10 potential?
stark sleet
foreach (Element value2 in weapon.elements.dict.Values)
{
if (value2.source.categorySub == "eleConvert")
{
num5 = EClass.sources.elements.alias[value2.source.aliasRef].id;
num6 = 50 + value2.Value * 2;
num7 = Mathf.Min(value2.Value, 100);
break;
}
}
there it is.
hallow jay
for intonations?
stark sleet
for the earth hammar
and also lulwy's bow etc
they use the eleConvert like eleConvert_impact eleConvert_lightning
hallow jay
wait but lulwy's bow converts damage whereas the earth hammer casts a spell
are you sure those are the same?
I'd imagine that the casting a spell feature would be different
stark sleet
they use the eleConvert like eleConvert_impact eleConvert_lightning
I couldn't find an enchantment for that hammer, nor does it cast spEarthquake anywhere...
I'm not sure if there is another eleConvert_impact that make sense
hallow jay
Here, look for a corollary
search for the ele staff's ele scar
maybe that'll give insight
hallow jay
so it goes off of your earthquake lvl /30?
or its just set at 30
gandisplay has always displayed it as just "30" so I figured it'd be that, but I wasn't sure what that meant
stark sleet
When Spell power less than 400, spell power = lvl * 8 +50
So assume 290
Earthquake calculate via:
1+ power/ 30 (9) d 2+MAG/3
so 10d (2+MAG/3) damage? I'll need to test
hallow jay
so it scales off of magic o.O?
stark sleet
for me that should be 10d28 (I only have MAG 80)
stark sleet
so it scales off of magic o.O?
Yeah, that spell depends on MAG
hallow jay
I see, I wish I could go get a earth hammer
๐
for testing purposes and to keep a look out
what's your str?
stark sleet
what's your str?
159 now
hallow jay
ahh so its scaling off of mag
cool
do you know what .cs file spells are located?
there's no documented formula for buff / debuff spells
stark sleet
that troubles me too, even if I search for the value for that spell, i still find nothing
Elin/SPELL.cs list the spell and their respective value
I assume all the buffs and debuff spells are directly done with buff and debuff
hallow jay
yea that's all I can find as well
cause afaik through emperical testing
the resisted stat listed removes either spell power or spell level down to 1
so for instance weakness is resisted by will
if something has 102321390138120321 willpower
and you have a lvl 100 weakness
it'll be reduced down to the effectiveness of at min a lvl 1 weakness
duration as well afaik
stark sleet
if something has 102321390138120321 willpower
Only Noa could have that kind of will power lol
hallow jay
facts
stark sleet
May he take some rests some day
hallow jay
but anywhodawhatit. I've also noticed that somewhere in the game (maybe) it tells you that willpower has the chance to resist buffs being applied
or in OSRS terms, making it "splash"
stark sleet
Well here is how the debuffs are recorded
something like conBlind, conBleed, etc.
maybe we can start from here
hallow jay
{
if (base.refVal2 == 266)
{
return 100 + (int)Mathf.Sqrt(base.power) * 2;
}
if (base.refVal == 79)
{
return (int)Mathf.Max(5f, Mathf.Sqrt(base.power) * 1.5f + 20f);
}
return (int)Mathf.Max(5f, Mathf.Sqrt(base.power) * 2f - 15f);```@stark sleet
Could it be this?
with I think top being the "power" of the buff and the bottom being the "duration"
stark sleet
elements.SetBase(base.refVal, CalcValue() * ((!isDebuff) ? 1 : (-1)));
and if it is debuff the value calculated is set at minus
hallow jay
I've always wondered, idk if you know... but what is f in alot of these calcs?
hallow jay
mathf.sqrt(base.power) * 2f - 15f
stark sleet
2f = 2.00
stark sleet
๐
hallow jay
ty
so its a constant
I thought f was n declared variable somewhere
somehow
calling it from the ether
i'm not sure those are the formulas tho
Cause no way I shake it are my debuffs lasting as long as its saying
Are you using dnspy?
or ilspy?
robust rose
Lnno is prolly just taking from https://elin-modding-resources.github.io/Elin-Decompiled/
robust rose
I have Zhentar's fork of ilspy that I used for Rimworld and everything else since, tho it's not really up to date
but for Elin I just use the online doc, it's generated with dnspy anyway so
no point inventing the wheel twice
hallow jay
dn spy lets you search across all .cs files I Think
or at least my bud pinja said something of that nature
latent oriole
May I ask what Each level has the effect of 2.5x Attractiveness in description of publicity on wiki mean? So publicity is 2.5 times stronger than attractiveness or it multiplies attractiveness? https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Housing#Skills_&_Policies
hallow jay
So publicity probably is the thing that governs the rate of visitors visiting
and attractiveness is a land feature that can't be changed by any means
so if you put your land on say a snow biome with two attractiveness features
your publicity would be that much more effective
@latent oriole
latent oriole
So you think it multiplier?
The wording in wiki is confusing. You may also say it a weight of stat, like 2.5 attractivness equal 1 publicity.
People in question channel think it multiplier too. #๐ฐ-elin-questions-help message #๐ฐ-elin-questions-help message
Although I found a message from someone who may looked into the code and said it 2.5 atr = 1 pub. #elin-general message #๐ฐ-elin-questions-help message
hallow jay
The wording in wiki is confusing. You may also say it a weight of stat, like 2.5...
that's a very confusing way to put it
well I guess if you put it the other way around
and say attractiveness is the only thing that matters
and publicity is just 2.5 * attractiveness
or rather attractiveness = attrativeness from land + 2.5 * publicity
tha'td make more sense
latent oriole
Yeah, I'm confused too. I think it multiplier too, but there is that person who pointed it the stat difference.
And wording in wiki not helping at all.
hallow jay
Tourism is a black box to me
idk who wrote the housing wiki page
but its something we need to work on
we're going to rename it to settlements and split it into 5 different pages
at least thats what was last said when it was brought up
latent oriole
Well, I'm not really interest in tourism also. But it should affect customers for shop, so I'm trying to find the truth. ๐
hallow jay
well for one
the numbers notwithstanding
do you have a settlement built for attractiveness?
latent oriole
I'm planning to do it as my 6 town. So I'm thinking about forest full of caravan masters with double publicity. But get confused with all that attractivness stuff.
hallow jay
so why forest? for the more people?
latent oriole
Yeah, if 1 pub = 2.5 atr more people with publicity providing job and hobby the better.
hallow jay
nah I think it works like this
latent oriole
But if it multiplier things may be different.
latent oriole
Yeah, I feel like it should be like that. But did you look into the code?
latent oriole
It be great if you can. It also will clarify the thing for wiki. ๐
I wish we have more clear tooltips in game with at least proper description about stats and their effects. Not even saying we need full formulas.
hallow jay
@latent oriole
if (EClass.rnd(5) == 0 && this.policies.IsActive(2810, -1))
{
int num8 = 3 + this.lv + this.Evalue(2206) / 5 + this.Evalue(3702) * 2 + this.Evalue(2202) / 2;
num8 = num8 * (100 + this.Evalue(3702) * 20 + this.Evalue(2206)) / 100;
num8 = num8 * (100 + (int)Mathf.Sqrt((float)this.Evalue(2811)) * 3) / 100;
if (EClass._map.CountGuest() < num8)
{
Chara chara;
if (this.policies.IsActive(2822, -1) && Mathf.Sqrt((float)(this.Evalue(2822) / 2)) + 5f >= (float)EClass.rnd(100))
{
chara = CharaGen.CreateWealthy(this.ContentLV);
EClass._zone.AddCard(chara, EClass._zone.GetSpawnPos(SpawnPosition.Random, 100) ?? EClass._map.GetRandomSurface(false, true, false));
}
else
{
chara = EClass._zone.SpawnMob(null, SpawnSetting.HomeGuest(this.ContentLV));
}
if (chara != null && (chara.id == "nun_mother" || chara.id == "prostitute") && this.policies.IsActive(2710, -1))
{
chara.Destroy();
chara = null;
}
if (chara != null)
{
this.statistics.visitor++;
chara.memberType = FactionMemberType.Guest;
chara.SetInt(34, EClass.world.date.GetRaw(0));
chara.c_allowance = chara.LV * 100;
if (chara.IsWealthy)
{
chara.c_allowance *= 10;
}
if (date.IsRealTime)
{
Msg.Say("guestArrive", chara.Name, null, null, null);
}
else
{
chara.TryAssignBed();
}
}
}
}
so lets parse this
So there's a 80% chance if open for business is active, then
num8 = 3 + (I'm guessing land lvl) + (attractiveness / 5) + (If ancient ruin value is active then, it * 2) + publicity / 2
num8 = num8 (from above) * (100 + ancient ruin * 20 + attractiveness) / 100
num8 = num8 (from above) * (100 + integer of the sqrt((of a float of tourist safety) * 3) / 100)
Then if Celeb heaven is on AND the sqrt(Celeb heaven / 2) + 5 is greater than or equal to a random number from 1-100
THEN
wealthy visitors are generated (based on something called content lvl (which may be danger lvl))
add the random visitors somewhere random
Then the next lines check to say if its a mother and if you have the anti mother policy
Then they get an allowance of their chara lvl * 100,
and if they're wealthy its * 1000
Then it assigns them a bed
@latent oriole
it might happen per day
I'm guessing num8 is the number of visitors
so I see what it means that publicity is more important than publicity and its worth 2.5x attrativeness
cause 10 attractiveness would get you 2 more visitors and 10 publicity would give you 5
BUUUUUUUUUT thats not including the second line
which then adds does the first line * (100 + how many ancient ruins - like feats you have active * 20 + attractiveness)/ 100
so then attractiveness double dips
its both an additive and multiplicative factor
so a maxed level area with open for buisness on on a snowy tile with ancient ruin (which is really important it seems)
would be an 80% chance a day to get 34 + publicity / 2 * 3.25 * (100 + (sqrt(tourist safety lvl) * 3) / 100)
latent oriole
It a huge info! I'm really grateful for your work! It the best info one can find in discord search tbh. ๐
I will copy your post in txt for myself. ๐
hallow jay
so if you had 100 publicity and 100 tourist safety
it'd be 84 * 1.4 * 1.03
121
you'd get 121 visitors
tldr; make sure you put it on a snowy ancient ruins
SUPER IMPORTANT
*correction that number is for a beach
snowy is better
latent oriole
It interesting how important attractiveness actually. Like not much people settle in snow land, judging from discord. ๐
@rain geode you may want to look at the conversation above.
hallow jay
oh right
uhhhhhhh
i did some thigns wrong
its not 121
it'd be ... dear lord
84 * 3.25 * 1.3
354
latent oriole
I guess, snowfield, basin, ancient ruin is best choice for shop. Basin for extra admin to all the needed policies.
hallow jay
yea that'd be a super tourism area for sure
if you can do me a fav and actually make one
when you do lmk how many visitors you're getting so I can double check
rain geode
wait then how come my meadow with 100 pub has worse door sales than my beach house with 25 and 10 attraction
they both have the same policies active
latent oriole
if you can do me a fav and actually make one
Ok, but it may take a few irl days. I'm only planning it now. Need to work on caravan masters and the area itself. Will ping you then it done.
rain geode
except meadow has higher overall policy level and has demon invocation on
does meadow just have a nat debuff or something lol
latent oriole
Demon policy increase content level now btw.
hallow jay
uhh so meadow having demon policy mght be generating more wealthy visotors
since it apparently calls for the area lvl at some point for wealthy visitors
rain geode
shouldn't it be more profitable then?
hallow jay
well beach house has a higher attractiveness
which is weighted very highly
it has so many factors XD
does your beach have an ancient ruin?
rain geode
oh it double dips
no it's network feat+fishing spot
my beach has triple the sales volume meadow does
latent oriole
Yeah, it seems to be work great in tandem. Atr and pub I mean.
rain geode
hmm guess I'll try pumping my beach house pub tomorrow
I didn't touch it because I was scared pumping it too high would do something silly and drop its sales to meadow levels
hallow jay
yea attractiveness is an addative attraction / 5 and a multiplicative
so if your attraction is I think you said 10
it'd be +2 visitors and 1.1x more visitors
oh also does your beach have mother's turned off?
rain geode
none of my bases have the mothers policy on
hallow jay
because they'd dilute the visitors with money
turn that shit ooooooooon
according to what I found it matters alot
lmk if it does tho
cause idfk XD
rain geode
really? I thought it was funnier if my guests get fucked in their sleep after I drain all their money
I'll try turning it on for a couple months and compare the profits
hallow jay
well I think m other's count towards the visitor count
and they don't bring money afaik
@stark sleet Yo can you take a look at the bottom code block and help me figure out what it means?
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Code_Analysis/Housing#Housing%3A_Taxes
also Idk how to add the link to this new page to this list XD
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Code_Analysis
stark sleet
<@394508938160373771> Yo can you take a look at the bottom code block and help m...
one se
Well first I'll move the page to [[Elin:Code_Analysis/Housing]]
hallow jay
ahh ty
stark sleet
[[Category:Elin Spoiler]]
[[Category:EN]]
toxic houndBOT
stark sleet
these are the two lines of code you need to add to the bottom of the page for it to be able to add to the dynamic list
then need to refresh that page to make it appear
now for the code...
stark sleet
ohhh interesting...
Would you mind if I change the code to the version we have in the Elin decompile repo?
Just for people to have an online source to verify
stark sleet
XD
stark sleet
Wait, what?!
num7 = num7 * efficiency / (IsTaxFree ? 100 : 1000);
If you are not in tax free land your resident tax is reduced by 90%???
hallow jay
oh yea
i knew that
that coutns for anything that you get from your settlement actually
stark sleet
Mysilia, here comes my fuc*ing nuke!
latent oriole
Yeah... There are a few messages about how tax work here #elin-general message List with hobbies and gods #elin-general message #elin-general message.
I found it very helpful and easy to understand how he describe it.
stark sleet
there you go
it is pretty long...
You know I thought religion tax is biased against those that have a religion
Never thought it is those who worship the void that got taxed the most...
hallow jay
damn now your section looks better than my copy pasta'd section
XD
I ought fix that later
stark sleet
Now where is my nuke again...
Like seriously, 90%?! No wonder mysilia became a god damn lake in the next 30 years
and those goddamn worthless fake bronze gold bars
stark sleet
Yeah. 3 piece of land for the rich and visitors, the rest for supply chain and slaves...
latent oriole
And you can go aroung the land like ones a year to refill the shops from suppliers, so it not a huge thing.
latent oriole
Btw, because I will start looking for proper snow land for shop tomorrow, maybe someone know difference between normal snowfield and enchanted snowfield or how it called?
If the difference is even exist for now.
Oh, I get it. Snowfields just have some prefixes like enchanted, terrifying and so on. It seems no difference in actual "snowfield" feat.
hallow jay
@stark sleet Added to the page and touched up my own sections. If you don't mind taking a look at it when you get a chance.
also added in where hte code can be found exactly in what file and what line
If we can keep that up for other code analysis pages that'd be cool
robust rose
@hallow jay What is The income from your Inn in total is now num4 / 2 rounded down * 2 referring to?
this.incomeInn += EClass.rndHalf((int)num4) + EClass.rndHalf((int)num4); that?
hallow jay
is that wrong?
robust rose
rndhalf is "half + random amount of other half"
So rndHalf(50) would be 25 + rnd(25)
hallow jay
ohhhhhhhh thats much different than i thought
okay I can change it
The income is equal to: Num4 / 2 + a random number between (1 - Num4 / 2) + Num4 / 2 + a random number between (1 - Num4 / 2)
That make more sense? @robust rose
ig in that case it'd be Num4 + rnd(1 - Num4 / 2) + rnd(1 - Num4 / 2)
or written more plainly:
The income is equal to: Num4 + a random number between (1 - Num4 / 2) + a random number between (1 - Num4 / 2)
robust rose
Or written even more plainly, num4 + 2x rnd(num4/2)
robust rose
summing 2 rndhalf is just num/2 + rnd(num/2) + num/2 + rnd(num/2)
num/2 + num/2 = num
hallow jay
yea yea, I'm following
hallow jay
yes but 2 * rnd(num/2) is not equal to rnd(num/2) + rnd(num/2)
robust rose
But yea you're right that it won't be exact
hallow jay
its not as... easy to understand I guess
but its more correct XD
since it has double the randomness
which is actually good
less variance that way afaik
like the difference IG between 2d10 and 1d20
hallow jay
anywhodawhatit, any other issues that might be in there?
robust rose
No idea, didn't read
hallow jay
there're some things I don't quite understand
oh lol
just saw that thing at the bottom ๐
robust rose
Yea I saw it and it didn't make sense so I tried to find it in the code block and couldn't
latent oriole
Btw, while you guys working with housing article, maybe also clarify the description of stockpile sign? Wiki have just a little info.
Designates a room or a 3 block radius as a stockpile. Items collected in build mode are transferred to the area.
Also people don't know then and why use it. For example it exist in usual autofarming setup for some reason, but it not needed there. With shared containers both autofarming harvests and job/hobby results will go in proper containers without the sign.
There is even post from Noa about it doing nothing. #elin-general message Idk if something changed since then. Search on discord didn't show any changelog results.
stark sleet
People are probably gonna work on what they are most interested in first, and this wiki is always short on hands...
The pace of Noa keep updating this game also keeps a high pressue too
Not saying it's not great, but for other games 20 update = 20 weeks, for Noa, 20 update = a new year week
hallow jay
Yea I don't mind working on the wiki but often times its wiki work over playing the game
I try to recruit people to help with the wiki work from the voice channel tho
even if its to help me with a project
like the small medal pictures
That was 3-4 people working with me
latent oriole
No pressure guys, sorry if my previous posts sound like that. ๐ I'm really appreciate your work. The thing is, it not only update pace, but the difficulty of acquiring info. For example I worked on a wiki for mod for one strategy game before, but I was able to consult with devs themselves and look at the code. I'm not a coder, but it was simple scripts in txt files, so was doable in pair with the help of devs. And here, idk if Noa have time or want to tell about some mechanics more deeply. So we have errors or even myths spreading and info in general not clear.
robust rose
You can look throug hthe code pretty ez through https://elin-modding-resources.github.io/Elin-Decompiled/
no need to get it open yourself
latent oriole
As I mention, I'm not a coder and can only understand simple one. ๐
robust rose
Same
wheat folio
No pressure guys, sorry if my previous posts sound like that. ๐
I'm really app...
occasionally in update notes he'll post clarifications for things he sees people discussing a lot, but it's best not to directly @ him or anything, considering the (current) scale of the server lol.
but uh, if you're having a really hard time understanding snippets, chatgpt does an "ok" job of walking you through code line by line and what it does or references. obviously ai hallucinations still happen, but it's less likely to hallucinate explaining what something does vs generation lol
especially for very simple mathematic stuff
latent oriole
I like that ai can help with it. But honestly I barely know what chatgpt is itself. Guess need to learn about it. ๐
stark sleet
Here is something interesting
[[Elin:Code_Analysis/Feats#featManabond_(Bonded_with_Mana)]]
toxic houndBOT
stark sleet
If you want to train mana capacity skill, you want to cast high cost spell at low mana, instead of going really, really deep into the minus by casting small spells
Because the experience gained is calculated by the mana you used, not the amount you depleted.
flat dust
Is the detailed information on lure / perfume function anywhere?
hallow jay
What do you want to know?
stark sleet
So what is this "chat channel" Noa is talking about in the update?
hallow jay
So I've noticed that lowering attributes via ether diseases makes it faster to train that skill
I then thought: "Well why not temp lower it and see if it does the same thing"
It doesn't :c
stark sleet
X(
hallow jay
just sat here for like 30 minutes while watching anime and letting a gagu beat the shit out of me
hallow jay
yea I figured that's the difference
just wanted to test it to see if it was indeed true
hallow jay
has the wiki documented how damage mitigation works?
hallow jay
I've been looking for a while
Any idea where we could find the code describing the damage mitigation functionality?
@stark sleet
stark sleet
that would be the DamageHP function in Card.cs
hallow jay
Tyvm good sir
stark sleet
but I don't think this includes how PV worked
so probably still need Attackprocess.cs
no wait
ApplyProtection function in Card.cs is that
hallow jay
card.cs doesn't reference any evalues pertaining to mitigation
such as PV / light armor / heavy armor
unless it just calles it this.pv
-_-
This is surpisingly simple actually
dmg = dmg *100 / (100 + PV + armor skill + dex/10)
and theeeeeen for an example
num = 150 + 100 + 100/10 = 260
num 3 = num / 4 = 260 / 4 = 65
num2 = num3/10 + 1 = 6.5+1 = 7.5
sides = num3/num2 = 65/7.5 + 1 = 9.66
dmg = 100/100+260 = 1/3.6
=num4 = dice.roll(num2,sides,bonus,this) = 9d7
dmg -= num4 * mod/100
dmg = dmg - num4
if dmg is = 1000, then dmg / 3.6 - 9d7
so its both flat and multiplicative
stark sleet
such as PV / light armor / heavy armor
yeah, this is why I called it something like 69% + 5d11 before
it is a very similar system to elona
except the exact result is not shown in Elin
pseudo heron
Is it just me of the festival page broke??
nvm a lot of it broke not just festival page
pseudo heron
ok what part gone wrong i wonder
stark sleet
Not sure man, skin maybe?
pseudo heron
what is skin in this context
pseudo heron
i just open the page in firefox dark mode and didn't touch anything else
stark sleet
Maybe internet connection? Sometimes when it is unstable something like that might happen
pseudo heron
hmmmmm
my internet is still the same
and whether what page is affected seem completely random
stark sleet
Do you have a collection of what page are affected?
Maybe we can find some similarities
wheat folio
try ctrl+f5 on affected pages too to see if maybe you have a weird broken cache
pseudo heron
try ctrl+f5 on affected pages too to see if maybe you have a weird broken cache
ah yup that fix it, thank you!
stark sleet
if (IsPCParty && EClass.pc.ai is GoalAutoCombat)
{
dmg = dmg * 100 / Mathf.Min(105 + EClass.pc.Evalue(135) / 10, 110);
}
It seems like the higher the strategy skill (Evalue 135), the lower our damage goes, until 100/110?
This should be a bug
hallow jay
yea thats bizarre
so if you had 0 strategy, you'd be getting 100/105, then if you have higher than 50 strategy, you get 100/110?
wtf -_-
but in general auto combat reduces damage?
latent oriole
There were some changes. #updates-ๆดๆฐ message
Removed the damage penalty (5-10%) applied to enemies during auto-combat.
stark sleet
Yeah, now the damage penalty only apply to IsPCParty (T_T
hum. wait
Oh shit, yeah this make sense
it is calculated for received damage lol
my bad my bad
grizzled cloak
Maybe a spam account...?
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/User:LenoraT45208343
stark sleet
Maybe a spam account...?
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/User:LenoraT45208343
@wheat folio Yeah, admin attention needed ๐
bronze lagoon
Thanks you very much for everyone created https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Small_Medal and add photos to the locations ๐โโ๏ธ
wheat folio
Sigh, gonna swap around the captcha tonight I guess, sudden influx of spam
hallow jay
Thanks you very much for everyone created https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Small...
Glad you enjoy it. Took us three people working on it for 2 hours. I'm pretty happy with it!
stark sleet
Sigh, gonna swap around the captcha tonight I guess, sudden influx of spam
You can disable edits from certain country, or proxy users... just like wikipedia
It might not be the best idea though
If there is one, there will be ten, so probably at least some protection
stark sleet
You can disable edits from certain country, or proxy users... just like wikipedi...
I mean, I'm using a VPN to edit Ylvapedia too...
hallow jay
so on the note of finding what hte buff / debuff spell formulas are
anyone have any luck finding them / have a clue what they are?
hallow jay
๐ฎ
hallow jay
do you have hte info on all the buffs / debuffs?
robust rose
I'd imagine they all here
it's just stats.csv if you extract it
A lot of stuff about applying is in ActEffect.cs
hallow jay
How do you get ahold of the .csv file for stats?
robust rose
Source extractor mod
wheat folio
there's a mod on the workshop that will rip the csv's
hallow jay
okay so do you all think that attributes effect the spells that npc's cast at all?
robust rose
Probably not but I've paid 0 attention nor looked it up
hallow jay
I'm thinking it works like this:
Spellpower is the larger one between Spell Level x 8 + 50 or Char Level x 6 + 30 it's not Player Character
so in this case it'd be just spellpower is the higher of (in this case the bell is lvl 56):
40 * 8 + 50 = 370
56 * 6 + 30 = 366
and duration is apparently according to the csv file, p/15 + 8
and its duration is 48 for me
so...
370 / 15 + 8
so 32..., which isn't right
so working backwards, its spell level should actually be. . .
48 = p / 15 + 8;
p = 40*15 = 600
600 = SL * 8 + 50
SL = 550 / 8 = 68.75
Or its character level should be...
600 = CL * 6 + 30
CL = 570 / 6 = 95
unless willpower is included somehow
robust rose
and its duration is 48 for me
48 or 38?
hallow jay
ahh nvm kingrebel apparently knew all about this
Its here
{
int num = base.Value * 8 + 50;
if (!c.IsPC)
{
num = Mathf.Max(num, c.LV * 6 + 30);
if (c.IsPCFactionOrMinion && !base.source.aliasParent.IsEmpty())
{
num = Mathf.Max(num, c.Evalue(base.source.aliasParent) * 4 + 30);
}
}
num = EClass.curve(num, 400, 100, 75);
if (this is Spell)
{
num = num * (100 + c.Evalue(411)) / 100;
}
return num;
}
so its also att * 4 + 30
the higher of those three
and its curved down too
we confirmed its what I got in game as well
updated the code analysis page for combat accordingly
hallow jay
Updated the code analysis page for combat to also have the formulas for buff / debuff spells
although I have no idea what intonation of (element)'s power is....
res,(p2/40+1)*5
wtf is p2?
p^2?
p^(1/2)?
p*2?
robust rose
wtf is p2?
hallow jay
So its just charisma XD?
robust rose
Sure seems like it
hallow jay
let me check this out
robust rose
Yea ez to make sure ingame :D
hallow jay
yup
robust rose
Yep, definitely is
robust rose
Really, really don't know what the link is between cha & intonations
doesn't frankly make a whole lot of sense but nonetheless
hallow jay
yea ...
its a strange departure when everything else in the buff / debuff list is dependant on spellpower
but looking at all my intonations now, they're all over the place in terms of lvl, and they all have 23 res
oh so someone in voice pointed out @robust rose that its a song
so IG that's how it makes sense
The power of RIZZ compells you
robust rose
Do the other spells have no verbal components? Why does enchanting your weapon with an element give you resist based on Cha but doesn't affect the weapon itself?
Also why on earth are they not Cha spells, I woulda accepted that
but they're Mag spells that somehow scale heavy on Cha
wheat folio
intoning is a type of vocalization/prayer in shinto
(<- the backer behind intonations)
it was meant to tie into the onmyodo theme of sword sage (onmyoji in jp)
alongside talismans
robust rose
intoning is a type of vocalization/prayer in shinto
Yea but are the rest of the spells silent
and why not make hte Intonations Cha spells instead of Mag spells :D
stark sleet
intonation... I remember the first time we talked about this I didn't even realize the english version used "intonation"
the JP version used something more incline to "song"
wheat folio
I mean, I'm using a VPN to edit Ylvapedia too...
see if you can still edit?
if it's ng, we'll try something else
tribal trench
We've enabled some basic IP blocklists.
stark sleet
see if you can still edit?
I'm still doing fine
Probably need to check on the others
wheat folio
latent oriole
it was meant to tie into the onmyodo theme of sword sage (onmyoji in jp)
It heavily reminds me of Older younger sister. Wish talismans actually somehow work for npc.
So judging from conversation above it actually good to give her cha food?
Or you guys researching intonation mechanic for pc? Don't fully understand. It was conversation about spells for pets before. ๐
robust rose
So judging from conversation above it actually good to give her cha food?
Intonation resist bonus scales with Cha but since it's already heavy and immunity is reached at 20, it's not difficult to hit that point with Intonation
so I wouldn't go out of my way to get cha food for em
latent oriole
Oh, it for resists. Yeah, agree, the bits of cha they get from food already enough than.
hallow jay
one more thing to end this ... buff / debuff charade
anyone know how spellpower (presumably) vs. the willpower of enemies interacts with how likely you are to put a debuff on them?
I know willpower resists it, and I'm assuming spellpower is what increases your chances
robust rose
c.power = 100 * c.power / (100 + defenseAttribute.Value); (in Chara.cs)
c.power is Condition c's power, defenseAttribute.Value is, believe it or not, the value of the defenseAttribute (stats.csv has these)
hallow jay
so its ... spellpower vs will (for most things) like i thought XD?
ohhhh wait, I think this is the reduction
not the chance to apply
yea it can't be this isn't a %, it returns spellpower
But this is useful, ty
This is actually how I thought it reduced as well
robust rose
Yea I dunno if it affects chance to apply at all, only see power reduction
tho if power goes down low enough I believe it won't apply
hallow jay
I think it might be chara.cs 8992
Oh I see that's where you found that line of code
it should be somewhere around here
// Token: 0x060015E9 RID: 5609 RVA: 0x00098090 File Offset: 0x00096290
public void AddResistCon(Condition con)
{
if (con.power <= 0 || con.GainResistFactor <= 0)
{
return;
}
int id = con.id;
if (this.resistCon == null)
{
this.resistCon = new Dictionary<int, int>();
}
if (this.resistCon.ContainsKey(id))
{
Dictionary<int, int> dictionary = this.resistCon;
int key = id;
dictionary[key] += con.power * con.GainResistFactor / 100;
return;
}
this.resistCon[id] = con.power * con.GainResistFactor / 100;
}
// Token: 0x060015EA RID: 5610 RVA: 0x00098120 File Offset: 0x00096320
public void ResistCon(Condition con)
{
if (con.power <= 0 || this.resistCon == null)
{
return;
}
int a = this.resistCon.TryGetValue(con.id, 0);
if (1000 < EClass.rnd(a))
{
con.power = 0;
return;
}
if (500 < EClass.rnd(a))
{
con.power /= 5;
return;
}
if (200 < EClass.rnd(a))
{
con.power /= 2;
}
}
Could it be this?
I think... gainresistfactor is this:
grizzled cloak
The sections on the โElin:Housingโ page have been made into independent pages; Moongate, Residents, Home Skills & Policies, Land Feats, and Signs & Bulletin Boards (as a utility) have been made into their own pages.
I would like to create new categories to add to these pages, but โElin Housingโ doesn't match the meaning from the perspective of native EN users. So I would like EN users to decide on appropriate category names.
wheat folio
Thank you for the hard work!
robust rose
Should the table reflect Meadow's 3rd land feat (+5 admin points)?
It specifically mentions that it's an example of Meadow, and Meadow gets the extra 5 (as do all others after network and Meadow being 7)
latent oriole
Meadow and Hill Cave than. They both have same feat.
Don't know if Hill Cave start will be finished any time soon though.
robust rose
Yea but the text specifies Meadow
latent oriole
Oh yeah, I missed that. Need more coffee to function properly it seems. ๐
wheat folio
could remove the meadow part and just write (land feat # unlocked at this level)
and genericize it
robust rose
Ye
Need to fix the danger level then too
as it assumes Meadow distance
Probably easiest would be to yeet the column, the formula is presented right below it anyway
flat dust
The sections on the โElin:Housingโ page have been made into independent pages; M...
Player Settlements is a possibility
Most of the obvious ones need "Player" prefixed since they could also just refer to the existing villages / settlements / locations / plots / maps
And big shout out to all you guys working hard to make a good wiki, it's refreshing to see in a world of fandom garbage wikis
And you guys getting it done real early so instead of awful results when using search engines, I imagine Elins wiki will probably hit the top the majority of the time
grizzled cloak
Player Settlements is a possibility
Thanks for the idea! I've added it to the Elin:Housing and related page.
hallow jay
@wheat folio Can you put all the housing pages tree'd on the side bar?
wheat folio
sure thing, I'll add them in at some point tonight
hallow jay
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hallow jay
True Parka Administrator found the code for debuff application
case EffectId.Debuff:
{
CC.DoHostileAction(TC);
bool isPowerful = TC.IsPowerful;
string n = actRef.n1;
int a2 = power;
int num6 = TC.WIL * (isPowerful ? 20 : 5);
ConHolyVeil condition = TC.GetCondition<ConHolyVeil>();
if (condition != null)
{
num6 += condition.power * 5;
}
if (EClass.rnd(a2) < num6 / EClass.sources.stats.alias[n].hexPower && EClass.rnd(10) != 0)
{
TC.Say("debuff_resist", TC);
CC.DoHostileAction(TC);
break;
}
TC.AddCondition(Condition.Create(n, power, delegate(Condition con)
{
con.givenByPcParty = CC.IsPCParty;
if (!actRef.aliasEle.IsEmpty())
{
con.SetElement(EClass.sources.elements.alias[actRef.aliasEle].id);
}
}));
Ye it's in ActEffect
hallow jay
so if I'm understanding this correctly...
Its:
a2 = spellpower
num6 = the enemy's WIL * 5 (if not an elite)
num6 = the enemy's WIL * 20 (if an elite)
If it is affected by holy veil then:
num6 = num6 + spellpower (of holy veil) * 5
else
nothing gets multiplied
THEN:
If rnd(spellpower) < num6 / hexpower AND rnd(10) != 0
(so if rnd(sp) is less than num6/hexpower, but rnd(10) rolls a 0 (so a 9.091% chance) it still goes through)
you fail to apply and its a hostile action
else
you apply it
grizzled cloak
sure thing, I'll add them in at some point tonight
I have created some additional pages related to housing. Please add these to the sidebar as well.
The content is empty, but I will write a detailed explanation soon.
Housing๏ผใใฆใธใณใฐ๏ผ
ใปResidents๏ผไฝไบบ๏ผ
ใปHome Skills & Policies๏ผใใผใ ในใญใซใปใใชใทใผ๏ผ
ใปLand Feats๏ผๅๅฐใใฃใผใ๏ผ
ใปHome Ranking๏ผใใผใ ใฉใณใญใณใฐ๏ผ
ใปTax Revenue๏ผ็จๅ๏ผ
ใปTourism Value๏ผ่ฆณๅ
ไพกๅค๏ผ
ใปMoongate๏ผใ ใผใณใฒใผใ๏ผ
tribal trench
We'll be going down for a quick reboot, bear with me.
tribal trench
We'll be going down for a quick reboot, bear with me.
We're back.
latent oriole
I have created some additional pages related to housing. Please add these to the...
If you plan to edit all the stuff, may I suggest use ใใin list for residents job/hobby for uniques? For example gardening right now is:
Beggar's job, Loytel and Farmers' Hobby
I think it better if it like that:
Beggar's job, ใLoytelใ and Farmers' Hobby
I mean, everyone know who is Loytel, right? But for treasure hunt it is Slan... Who is Slan?! ๐
Poppy, Slan, Captain's hobby
grizzled cloak
Good idea! I'll do it.
wheat folio
I have created some additional pages related to housing. Please add these to the...
Apologies for the delay, the sidebar items have been added.
For the "Player Settlements" section isใใฌใคใคใผใฎ้่ฝ consistent with the japanese terminology in use, or would something else be better?
stark sleet
If you want to stay consistent with the Elona wiki, ใใๅฎถ or ็ฉไปถ, or use ใใฌใคใคใผๆ ็น probably also work?
wheat folio
i used waga ie originally when setting up the wiki originally (back when we only had the tech demo), but it's not consistent with elin lol
mostly want to avoid the situation like where we had a couple of different words for piety floating around in jp
stark sleet
I think ๆ ็น should be enough? everything else in the title are pretty short, and don't use a combination of two different words
ๆ ็น also don't have too much room for different interpretation, like, talking about that it must be yours
But probably want to hear from others, we can always change it whenever we like
wheat folio
yeah, the joy of wikis is that things can always be changed 
stark sleet
grizzled cloak
Inno's suggestion of "ๆ ็น" would be the most appropriate Japanese translation.
wheat folio
I'll add it in tonight then!
hallow jay
I kinda want to confirm this is completely false before I go through and change all of these pages
but it says on the fairy page for instance at the bottom that fairies can only get the cannibalism feat from eating fairies
and not from other normal conventionally "human flesh" meats
buoyant canyon
Hmm, I can investigate tomorrow @hallow jay
wheat folio
i know a couple fairy players were eating human flesh pizza for months , but that was alpha
wheat folio
We're going to be testing a different kind of captcha to see if it keeps out bots, if it works we'll add more questions to it over time.
latent oriole
Kyrie tested fisherman village with grandmaster npcs. #elin-general message He got a lot of fish #elin-general message, but no small medals even with that strong npcs #elin-general message. Wiki article mention about jobs small medals are rare drop fisherman can get.
`Very small chance of fishing up small medals
Fishermen and tourists job `
But we think it not true. Maybe it is possible ti check in code or edit the wiki article to remove the chance of small medals until it clear?
robust rose
I do not know if fishermen can produce medals via the work, but when they're actively fishing (when you're around) they should have a 1/3200 - 1/800 chance (based on fishing lvl)) of pulling up a medal (The check for "rare" table is "if player OR rnd(20)==0")
latent oriole
Well, it about actuall fishing, the phisical one. But the article is about jobs and hobbies, right?
robust rose
No clue
latent oriole
I know npc can fish everything physically. Remember snow putit fishing farms? However it have nothing to do with their production from jobs.
robust rose
No, the hobby of fishing can only produce Fish category stuff it seems
latent oriole
If article mean the physical fishing it should clarify it. And tbh the job and hobbies article is not the place to mention physical fishing.
So article is wrong that part need to be gone.
Very small chance of fishing up small medals
robust rose
Wait, medal is fish?
latent oriole
What?! 
robust rose
Nvm this can't be what it refers to since it says lucky coins and adventurer license are also fish, so it's probably some completely different thing
latent oriole
Oh... Everything is fish. ๐
stark sleet
If small medals are fish, why can't I make bonito wine with them ๐ฆ
latent oriole
@hallow jay finally tested snow, ancient ruin visitors. It took time because I did it in my normal game. So here are some numbers:
28 tourist protection -- 141 publicity -- 146 visitors (nocturnal life)
29 tourist protection -- 141 publicity -- 134 visitors (nocturnal life)
29 tourist protection -- 141 publicity -- 149 visitors (nocturnal life)
30 tourist protection -- 141 publicity -- 132 visitors (no nocturnal life)
I tested last month without nocturnal life and honestly didn't feel any difference. Not even sure if it affect visitors.
Will play without nocturnal life a few more months tomorrow.
hallow jay
I'm not asserting it effects visitors, but instead generates more profit
also then that means its most likely 20 not 200
so the lower one
eitherwise your visitors would be up in the 300+ range
latent oriole
But my tourist protection is low compare to publicity, don't it have effect? In your example it were 100 for both.
latent oriole
I see... Yeah, but it surprisingly close to your 144 visitors from the example. ๐
So my 41 extra publicity is like 70 tourism protection? 
hallow jay
possibly
latent oriole
Ok, thanks. I will try another test. Will load my shop with berries only and look at the sales with and without nocturnal life then. It should be done tomorrow or in two days. Initial setup of the town and everyday tasks in game took the majority of my time.
Because my current sales are based on assorted stuff including furniture and stolen goods, so it fluctuate a lot.
hallow jay
how much are you making?
latent oriole
I looked at screens and it range of 90k-235k. On average it 120k-130k with nocturnal life. Although some of the screen are from time I have less publicity, so I think I will try to test it properly tomorrow in equal setting.
I also on and off premium store, depends on the backlog of goods, so numbers are inconsistent. ๐
It was the maximum. Don't remember the goods I load in shop in that time. Maybe it was furniture from carpentry training.
stark sleet
I'm pretty heavy on good backlogs, and the income is usually pretty consistent
not sure what you guys are testing though, I'll try to help after a few days when I finish my work on hand ๐ฆ
latent oriole
Oh it part of #1249592549681791017 message.
From code analysis in wiki:
A number of visitors will arrive. This number is: [3 + Land lvl + Your Land's Attractiveness / 5 + Publicity / 2 + 20^] * ((100 + Your Land's Attractiveness + 200^^) / 100) * (100 + sqrt(Tourist Safety lvl * 3) / 100) ^^Currently unsure if this is 200 or 20
So from my tests it look like it 20.
And now I'm looking if nocturnal life will increase shop sales. At least I'm trying. ๐
Also I need to mention, I really like snow, ancient ruin land. It have great potential. The 1.35 multiplier to all visitors number is huge and publicity gain from exploration job/hobby is uncapped, so it will be better and better. Think about making second one after the test and separating restaurant and general store + furniture + fence license. And activating inn in restaurant one.
buoyant canyon
and it seems very much so false
It's not quite false... It seems far less likely though
bool flag2 = IsHumanFlesh(food);
bool flag3 = IsUndeadFlesh(food);
bool flag4 = c.HasElement(1205);
bool flag5 = food.IsDecayed || flag3;
...
if (flag2)
{
if (!flag4)
{
if (c.IsHuman)
{
c.AddCondition<ConInsane>(200);
c.SAN.Mod(15);
}
if (EClass.rnd(c.IsHuman ? 5 : 20) == 0)
{
c.SetFeat(1205, 1, msg: true);
flag4 = true;
}
}
if (flag4)
{
c.SetInt(31, EClass.world.date.GetRaw() + 10080);
}
}
Faires don't have a "Human" tag, therfore they only gain cannibalism with a 5% chance instead of a 20% chance
Also it seems like the thing that decides if you'll be a cannibal or not on your next meal is how long it took between said meals
I couldn't find any other reference to this
hallow jay
so fairies can get cannibalism from eating fairies but at a lower rate than eating meat with a human tag?
buoyant canyon
No, no
Races with the human tag are more likely to take up cannibalism
I am not certain what determines if the food is considered human flesh or not
hallow jay
Well I'm claiming that the assertion on the fairy page is wrong
buoyant canyon
public static bool IsHumanFlesh(Thing food)
{
if (food.HasTag(CTAG.notHumanMeat))
{
return false;
}
if (food.id == "deadbody")
{
return true;
}
if (food.source._origin != "meat" && food.source._origin != "dish")
{
return false;
}
string[] components = food.source.components;
for (int i = 0; i < components.Length; i++)
{
if (components[i].Contains("egg"))
{
return false;
}
}
if (!IsHumanFlesh(food.refCard))
{
return IsHumanFlesh(food.refCard2);
}
return true;
}
Fairies are not humans, so eating human flesh does not increase their insanity or risk gaining the cannibalism feat. However, eating fairy corpses does count as cannibalism for them.
buoyant canyon
According to code, yes, Faires can be cannibals
hallow jay
this statement is wrong
buoyant canyon
It is possible it's outdated
hallow jay
true
I know from my own experience that fairies can eat other humans and get the cannibalism feat
I'm not sure if fairies can eat fairies and gain cannibalism
that's where I'm not sure
buoyant canyon
oh, from what I see, that may not be possible
There are two functions for IsHumanFlesh~
One takes a Thing, one takes a Card
public static bool IsHumanFlesh(CardRow r)
{
if (r == null)
{
return false;
}
if (r.id == "chara")
{
return EClass.pc.race.tag.Contains("human");
}
if (r.isChara)
{
return EClass.sources.races.map[EClass.sources.charas.map[r.id].race].tag.Contains("human");
}
return false;
}
if the eaten card has an id of chara, then we check if the player character is a human...
Oh
It's actually a check for if we're eating our own corpse
Otherwise we check the race of the eaten dead person
So, a Fairy corpse will never be a cannibalistic meal
hallow jay
cool. I'm just deleting that at some point
that lore & trivia section that says two false statements ๐
hallow jay
oh?
buoyant canyon
But only if it's specifically a dead corpse
hallow jay
do you mean as opposed to meat?
buoyant canyon
Yeah
I'm not sure if the meat chunks you get are of id "dead corpse"
No, no, they are not
It has to be specifically a dead body, not butchered
hallow jay
so for all intents and purposes its just plain wrong, cause idk how you even get a fairy "corpse"
buoyant canyon
I think butchers sell them, but whether those hold info about the race... dunno
The raw meat you get from killing an enemy is not a dead corpse. It;s a "_meat"
I guess
You can open a restaurant with Fairy sashimi and nobody should call you out on that
buoyant canyon
I'll refraind from further commenting
hallow jay
XD
buoyant canyon
I'd argue that noa coded in Cannibalism wrong
hallow jay
but as always daikons, thanks for looking that up
I think noa should make cannibalism race dependent
as it stands I think its static
buoyant canyon
"Cannibalism is the act of consuming another individual of the same species as food." - Wikipedia
hallow jay
exactly
buoyant canyon
It's actually eating a humanoid race.
It'd probably be more effort to add all the tags
pseudo heron
Weapon page, Shooting Weapons section, don't tell anywhere which range use which attribute.
Unless you telling me that any reader can correlate the skill used with its attribute, I say someone should add it somewhere
robust rose
Be my guest
hallow jay
Weapon page, Shooting Weapons section, don't tell anywhere which range use which...
what do you mean, which range uses which attribute?
like... what ranged weapon uses which attribute?
pseudo heron
what do you mean, which range uses which attribute?
Like the melee one yeh
hallow jay
Oh yea I suppose a table like that wouldn't be that hard
pseudo heron
nothing on the weapon page state that Gun scale off Perception while Bow scale off Dex
hallow jay
Its pretty self evident though in game, but for consistency it shouldn't be hard to make a chart
You're welcome to do it, its not terribly hard
buoyant canyon
Frankly, a wiki does serve as a way to check something when you're not in game too, so best make it as good as possible
hallow jay
Yea true
pseudo heron
You're welcome to do it, its not terribly hard
I dunno how to edit wiki
pseudo heron
oh nice! thank you
hallow jay
not sure what you guys are testing though, I'll try to help after a few days whe...
I'd like to know if nocturnal life increases profits on avg for tourism / selling things in your settlement
robust rose
I'd like to know if nocturnal life increases profits on avg for tourism / sellin...
Ctrl F 2508 returns nothing in FactionBranch.cs so unlikely
As far as I know, all it does is reduces happiness of people by 20, and I don't think Happiness has any effects yet?
hallow jay
so my reasoning for thinking it might affect it is: I think new visitors gets spawned in hourly and I'm not sure if the people being awake effects anything
Its a stretch, but I figured it could just be tested
robust rose
Might be, tho empirical testing on something which varies so much with rng is kinda difficult, need a real sample size instead of just dozen or two
latent oriole
Tbh it will be failed test most likely. ๐ I'm still doing it, my plan is four months with and without nocturnal policy. Done three months and a half yesterday. But the sales fluctuate a lot. For example here the result of two months with the all same stats and same berries in shop. I'm selling +17, +18 and +19 berries, so sales can naturally fluctuate by like 10% more or less, but real fluctuation is much more. I believe it all about npc spawn and how much cash they have, so it to random to measure.
hallow jay
if its too much randomness then I would just forget about it
latent oriole
Well, I'll do it anyway. I'm interested in it too and already learn a few things on the way. The sales fluctuation for example. The only thing I did wrong is my berries. At the start the were mostly +18 and at the and they will be mostly +19. But as I say, difference in price of berries is like 10% and don't represent real fluctuation I experience.
grizzled cloak
JP user inquired about creating a mod introduction page, so I will share it with you.
#1255163035027509331 message
"I it OK to create a page (article?) on the Elin:Mod page that summarizes a specific mod?
Specifically, I'm thinking of an Artificial Race mod."
Artificial Race:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3363692260&searchtext=ไบบๅทฅ็จฎๆ
In my opinion it should be allowed.
But the EN side has a Modding wiki, so I'd like to confirm which one I should post it on.
flat dust
JP user inquired about creating a mod introduction page, so I will share it with...
I think you have to be real careful about adding anything mod related because unless you make sure it's excluded from searches / normal navigation
grizzled cloak
I guess the way to exclude MOD pages from search is to give them a category for MOD pages (e.g. Elin MOD) and exclude pages with that category from the Wiki search.
wheat folio
I could add a namespace if this is something that has a lot of demand, or the user could make the page on their userpage as a subpage and link it on the mods page (similar to how we do player guides)
hallow jay
do we have any information for the wiki about what enchantments noa is adding correspond to which weapons?
It states that the enchantments will be put as initial enchantments for certain weapon types
wheat folio
sakuma-san put up a page on it last night actually! 
https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Equipment/Enchantments
grizzled cloak
I could add a namespace if this is something that has a lot of demand, or the us...
Thanks for the advice! I'll try to think about my approach in the style of a player's guide.
hallow jay
Would eye of mana be considered magic or willpower or maybe... charisma?
How would one tell?
robust rose
What in seven sausages is eye of mana
hallow jay
its an ability that death gazes have that steal mp directly
I think this is its calc in the calc csv file
I just got a gene from a mani statue
robust rose
I think this is its calc in the calc csv file
That's Itzpalt's Absorb mana pretty sure
public const int ActGazeMana = 6623;
I think ActGazeMana would fit your description
hallow jay
nah you're right
and ty for hte help
I just gotta find its formula in the csv files somewhere
I confirmed its mag tho
pseudo heron
On Elin:Status#Ailments_&_Status
**Lighting **Damage?
robust rose
fix'd
pseudo heron
I spend some time trying to figure out how PV math work by searching the code in discord (specifically the Apply protection function) and try comprehend it since there's only code analysis on evasion (aka PV).
The purpose of this post is:
- To confirm whether I understand correctly or is there any other factor I miss.
- As reference for people who want to add PV calculation on the wiki (or anyone try searching in discord)
This is my best attempt at translating the code language to human language.
PV reduce the damage by Percentage THEN reduce it by flat amount according to a dice roll which scale with PV and affected by luck.
The damage got multiple by (100 / (100 + pv)) which
Which make it into human readable formula is 100 - ((100 / (100 + pv)) * 100) result in the graph in the second picture
For flat damage reduction:
The number of dice is (PV/4) / 10 + 1
With integer rounding it mean the dice number start off at 1, become 2 at 18 DV and increase by 1 every 40 DV after.
The number of side of the dice is (PV/4) / the number of dices + 1
With integer rounding, the side increase diminishingly (and reduce by 1 every time the dice number jumped) until it flat line at 11 sides at 1102 PV
This result in the graph in 3rd picture.
Here's the link to Desmos graph if you want to play with it www.desmos.com/calculator/l3unqy0dex
Anyway, I gonna go to sleep now, this post was done out of ADHD urge and im run out of juice.
hallow jay
I understand it decently well
I've been planning on adding it to the wiki for some time now but I just havn't gotten around to it
We should probably make a new code analysis page for it and evasion
Maybe rename combat analysis to offensive combat analysis and make a defensive combat analysis
idk
flat dust
Maybe rename combat analysis to offensive combat analysis and make a defensive c...
Since each one is quite involved, maybe something like "X_Analysis/PV" "X_Analysis/DV"? where X could be combat or stat
Slightly related, something I personally would love to see is calculators. I'm not sure if that sort of thing can be easily embedded into the wiki but even links to well made desmos calculators would be enough.
Recently I found myself making a desmos graph for another game (Crawl: Stone Soup) because I wanted to know how various gear choices would affect my stats
robust rose
Get writing the js and you can have em
flat dust
I know that most players don't want / need calculators but it's a nice option to have somewhere for those that do and it also would help avoid duplicate work, since I've seen quite a few good desmos graphs posted here by various people doing good work
flat dust
Even if it's just links to those calculators from various analysis pages I think it would be very helpful, at least for the niche of wiki work and weirdos like me
flat dust
Yea get writing js and you can have em
gross, gimmie em in desmos
pseudo heron
Yea get writing js and you can have em
js as in javascript right?
pseudo heron
ah
pseudo heron
gross, gimmie em in desmos
already done that
flat dust
already done that
Nice, good going
robust rose
#1249592549681791017 message
pseudo heron
Nice, good going
It is right there in my big post near the end
Also the first picture in that post IS javascript
var QuarterOfPV = Math.round(pv / 4);
var DiceNumber = Math.round(QuarterOfPV / 10 + 1);
var Sides = Math.round(QuarterOfPV / DiceNumber + 1);
var PerCentReductiom = 100 - ((100 / (100 + pv)) * 100);
console.log("PV:" + pv + ", Percent reduction: " + PerCentReductiom + "%, Flat damage cut: " + DiceNumber + "D" + Sides );
}```Tldr if we want calculators, graphs etc gotta make a module
flat dust
It is right there in my big post near the end
You mean Here's the link to Desmos graph if you want to play with it www.desmos.com/calculator/l3unqy0dex I'm saying we should try to keep references to these on the wiki when possible
pseudo heron
i see
flat dust
Tldr if we want calculators, graphs etc gotta make a module
Better to stick to desmos links then, guys working on wiki already have plenty of way more important things to focus on anyway and desmos does enough
robust rose
Tbf osrswiki has bloody everything
so could just go do the classic ctrl c ctrl v from there and fix what's needed :D
for the modules
flat dust
Tbf osrswiki has bloody everything
Yeah but they're a gold standard on a game that's been out forever and doesn't change calculations often
robust rose
Yea the point was that they've done it, we don't need to do it again
just borrow them
flat dust
Ah you mean it like that
pseudo heron
welp good luck guys, imma go play more elin
robust rose
I haven't played Elin in almost couple months
it's more fun rummaging through the decomp
flat dust
welp good luck guys, imma go play more elin
don't forget your โ TI-81
flat dust
I haven't played Elin in almost couple months
Giving it time to get more updates myself, but following the wiki / decomp work is fun and interesting
And good wiki's make me happy