war-discussion

[spring tulip]

for what?

weapons platform needs steel but like

[dusky owl]

Talos now costs 3 steel

[spring tulip]

oh rip

still thats 33 talos per eoil can

but yeah idk then

[dusky owl]

Yeah still not enough to tone down its effect

1500~ damage at 40m with 4K HP for the grand total of 3 steel

Lovely work dev man

[ember girder]

double vetted talos

[spring tulip]

i mean even requiring 1 steel means you have to do at least 1 eoil run and/or setup a bunch of new buildings

does make it all a bit harder

[unique rivet]

Saltengrad has been fun so far

the melee weapons are seeing much use

[ember girder]

well if you have a coal field nearby, probably can do eoil

[gaunt hollow]

Funny thing I've noticed is that there are less colonial supporter editions than wardens

like 2/3 wardens are supporter edition owners kek

[tall knot]

I bought some for some of my friends who didn’t have them.

Mostly because fancy icon

[fervent crag]

@spring tulip yo were u the guy earlier whispering to me about building a pad near the mines

[spring tulip]

yeah i just decided on doing it it looks like they are going to be empty

[fervent crag]

alr hold on let me go into dms

[analog hazel]

wardens usually have more vet players than collie no? 🤔

[gaunt hollow]

idunno

[spring tulip]

i think both have the same amount of really high hour vets but wardens have more within the like 2k-10k range

[dusky owl]

A vet probably wont by the game twice

[haughty ether]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-why-are-you-green-what-is-wrong-with-you-gif-774466718616765419

[gaunt hollow]

free planes

[haughty ether]

Oh the betrayal

[gaunt hollow]

I'll be back next war

[haughty ether]

Good… very good….

[gaunt hollow]

I always come back...

[vocal chasm]

whoever attack pariah, GG

im the last one still alive, inside a pillbox

[gaunt hollow]

bros lucky gas hasn't teched yet

[vocal chasm]

yes

they brought sword too, we ran out of rifle ammo so we just slash all the mammonier

[safe tree]

pari peak has fallen

[crisp oxide]

Spingtap?

[safe tree]

millions must peak to get it back

[gaunt hollow]

urple gay

[safe tree]

who the fuck let you in vf

[crisp oxide]

Will I AM krafton

[gaunt hollow]

I snuck in

[safe tree]

was about to say

[gaunt hollow]

you are? that's some pretty solid evidence

[safe tree]

the collie navy cannot be this desperate

[crisp oxide]

You're name is will?

[safe tree]

I got that shit completely disabled

I paid my dilligence to the devs and I dont need to see who else did

[gaunt hollow]

lmao

[gaunt hollow]

uyor'e*

[crisp oxide]

Shmingus

[gaunt hollow]

glorp?

[safe tree]

someone gifted the hole some 2022 so I figured after some 900 hours its fair enough really

[gaunt hollow]

I only have 370h

[safe tree]

I know

[vocal chasm]

babylon has fallen

[safe tree]

frig larper after all

[gaunt hollow]

realshi

[stone gull]

Swizzler is failing🥀

[crisp oxide]

Gabidoogloooy

[safe tree]

explain what Im looking at

[gaunt hollow]

bro that zoo in the north is so obvious

I hate it when people keep zoos smh

[safe tree]

If you think about it

[left laurel]

this looks like a map from r/mapporncirclejerk

[stone gull]

Swizzler a famous fod yapper, the greatest mossad agent, assasinor of kiwi, is also an albertan freedom fighter

[safe tree]

all US politics is just who can Gerrymander during low pop hours

[safe tree]

the last one is new

however I am not shocked he'd be from alberta

[left laurel]

they manage to gerrymander during high pop too
it's just that their QRF has fallen fully

[fringe shore]

Are they trying to be Independent or to join US

[safe tree]

its kinda crazy they can just...do that

[left laurel]

what even is the poll
very nice infographic that doesn't include the referendum question lol

[sharp dust]

the whole system is so incredibly flawed its crazy

[safe tree]

oh thats the meme thing where Canada Alberta had a pre-vote if they would become its own state

like away from canada entirely

[left laurel]

ohh

[safe tree]

no here meaning

no we dont want to escape from canada and belong to a marginally worse country

[fringe shore]

Most democratic country tho🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[sharp dust]

SURELY they would've been better off alone

SURELY

[lunar olive]

QRF was bought off by facility lobbyists using rare metals they got from Venezuela.

[left laurel]

ask britain!

[safe tree]

dont know the canadian laws very well

but can a state just decide to like, leave

[lunar olive]

Other than the U.S. I don't think there's judical precedent to directly say no.

[safe tree]

thats funny

i mean if the majority of people did vote for it they would deserve what they get

cant feel too bad about willing walking into a knife i figure

[lunar olive]

Once you belong to the Union you cannot leave. If they go Independent they can survive selling their oil to the US like before.

[safe tree]

worlds first 5th world country

[lunar olive]

It'd still be better than the majority of the Balkans lol.

Balkanized Canada in the great 2026 xD

[safe tree]

major vote for it is on the 19th october

[lunar olive]

Would this be the Gen Z version of the Fall of Yugoslavia?

[safe tree]

perhaps

I got an idea

we will just give canada moldova instead

[lunar olive]

Net positive. We can have Québec rejoin France xD

[distant heart]

I like how people keep treating Charlie players legit like they are special needs 😭

[lunar olive]

Are they not?

[arctic geyser]

impossible, most will not survive, seeing how we deal with french language in mainland france

[lunar olive]

stop stop no need to convince me further xD

[left laurel]

atleast canadians don't mortally hate the others, right

[fringe shore]

Give canada to moldova🇲🇩

[lunar olive]

The great Parisian Québec civil war sounds like a good Marvel movie.

[atomic crow]

Quebec rejoined France just to turn into 6th world country

I rather them join idk Micronesia

[lunar olive]

Can we just send them to colonize the Sun?

[safe tree]

man

[arctic geyser]

Lumberjack boosted with maple sirup VS bourgeois with strikes power

[lunar olive]

Surely it'll work this time

[safe tree]

imma stop looking at canada for a minute

I think the north american brain fungus is just too strong

[lunar olive]

Alright this is my time to exit the conversation.

[safe tree]

have a time

[gray spire]

devman
why plane no do barrel roll

[plucky robin]

Becus barel rolus gei

[arctic geyser]

you can

max altitude, min speed, aim on the ground with mouse, move wings and rudder on one side

[rancid flower]

Also a prayer

[gray spire]

I see

[gentle maple]

Wrong chat

[arctic geyser]

another way would be to cross the border backward, but you will lose your plane

[fervent crag]

Oh that happened to me once

[arctic geyser]

yup me too, never again 🤣

[fervent crag]

I was fatigued and hopping borders and got cooldowned was going to turn around spamming e anddd

Tail gone

[arctic geyser]

back in the time with having to remove part with the trailer

[fervent crag]

I didn’t bother to recover

[atomic crow]

MR BREAST!!

[sleek yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625402417072177162/1491648395763388466/togif-20.gif

[mystic meadow]

Mods, ban him plx.

[coral roost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1016647842682654816/1076161127085518940/78E064B8-DA0E-40C8-B7C1-558B78D49C84.gif

[mystic meadow]

Also, the Racc is bacc. Prepare for hijinks, mischief, and maybe even... shenanigans.

[sleek yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842098467974807553/1179941430228164690/Untitled.gif

[hazy raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1489937327269871736.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[ivory summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1489937327269871736.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[sleek yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1489937327269871736.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[stone gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407400881456025859/1508566964187168930/Video_Project_3.gif

[sharp dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203512636556574720/1507930081962758335/1489937327269871736.gif

[faint wind]

Can someone check in-game description for Quadiche pls

[amber harbor]

why im curious

[faint wind]

In datamine, the description says that it has AP/RPG

And not RPG

[lilac depot]

https://tenor.com/view/foxhole-colonial-gif-2101921894807796070

Hand of devs

[amber harbor]

they announced they reverted that change though

[faint wind]

I know

[amber harbor]

maybe its in the code but i doubt they shadow reverted it

[faint wind]

Nonono, I am talking about the description, not stats

[ember girder]

Gonna be confusing for new players

[amber harbor]

ooo yeah that could be an issue

i get the spatha changes being mostlu reverted

but the quad probably should have kept them even if you probably need a health nerf to compensate

[burnt stump]

so is everything in this game tbh

[sleek yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416249596344532994/1509109426827690075/caption.b1d2455e.gif

[amber harbor]

yummm

[sleek yacht]

its mine buddy

[atomic crow]

larp

[upbeat idol]

Is there a big difference on the front with both shards playing LIVE war 1?

[amber harbor]

its in my tunny

nothing beats chicago deep dish

i will never understand the hate

[sleek yacht]

think for some the dish is too much...but it loosk good to me...

[amber harbor]

i mean yeah people dont understand you can just not eat the whole thing

you have two slices and your full for the rest of the day because they’re so big

this specific pizza is a bit different than a lot of traditional chicago deep dish

its from pequods and they cook it way differently than normal

tradional chicago crust is more made up of a cracker like consistency

but pequods is way more doughy with a crispy outside

genuinely think it’s the best pizza in the country

[opaque shore]

not enough pineapple

[amber harbor]

pineapple wouldnt work on deepdish really

its good on thinner pizzas

i love pizza so much

ive worked at a pizza place since i was 14

[plucky robin]

I think he likes pizza idk

Not sure tho

[coral roost]

They're probably lying, pizza isn't real it's from movies

https://tenor.com/view/摸魚-左看右看-gif-6527795636144500898

[plucky robin]

I think you might be right

[atomic crow]

pizza with pineapple is surprisingly good

[amber harbor]

it is but only when it’s fresh out of the oven

like if it’s lukewarm or you reheat it it’s just yuck

[atomic crow]

yeah

[left laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/摸魚-左看右看-gif-6527795636144500898

[atomic crow]

if its really hot its like the best pizza

[amber harbor]

my favorite is like a thin crust with like lots of spinach and banana peppers

[sleek yacht]

my fav hawaiian

[plucky robin]

Y'all making me hungry af

Xd

[formal lance]

I need typhon

I want to track tank

[left laurel]

there's no tank to track yet either

Live is next.

[sleek yacht]

ooo buy an 8 slice pizza oooo

[safe tree]

I made some baller ground beef and rice earlier tho

[analog bay]

@solemn perch
#foxhole-videos message

Bardiche is Outlaw's asymmetrical counterpart / equivalent because they have RPG variants?

are you sure?

[waxen whale]

yeah what???

[analog bay]

bard and outlaw aren't even in the same star systems

[sleek yacht]

sounds good 🤤

[mystic meadow]

Controversial opinion: Foxhole needs motorcycle jousts. Just… let us use our bayonets while riding the motorcycles.

[onyx hound]

Rule of cool.

[mystic meadow]

Precisely! And make the flags from the ammo fac into a melee weapon by adding a spear point! Kill the enemy with national pride!

[spring tulip]

do you guys think that you could reach the bottom left pad from here

[whole lotus]

The bard is the outlaw

Shut up, the bard is the outlaw. Shut up you should just play the bard like the outlaw

[atomic crow]

bro?

bard def need 45m

[whole lotus]

I don’t understand why their is whine abt Hitler outlaw 45m range

And than when the Spatha becomes beefy outlaw people also whine about the Spatha having no identity

[atomic crow]

bard must have 45 meters!!

[whole lotus]

“The silver hand and the Spatha are each others symmetrical counterparts”

😂😂 brooo im crine

[summer oriole]

hear me out
50m bard

[mystic meadow]

My solution to Warden tanks has always been, “No armor is best armor.” I rush with stickies and let the grace of Maro be my defender.

[atomic crow]

hmmm... you mean 30meters bard with 5 quickshot?

[summer oriole]

25m bard with 670% HV 94.5

[stuck estuary]

I've heard enough, give the ballista nuclear explosion shells

Irradiated bunker time

[whole lotus]

The scorpion is actually the closeted equivalent to the silver hand cuz they both have siege variants

[fringe shore]

Foxhole is a social experiment.

[mystic meadow]

FOD is the social experiment. Foxhole is the torture that results from their findings.

[atomic crow]

crazy how LTD and HTD is the equivalent to eachother

both have Tank destoyer in their name

https://tenor.com/view/key-%26-peele-mother-fucker-thats-called-a-job-gif-13442331067435805833

[fringe shore]

‘light’ tank destroyer or ‘light tank’ destroyer

[hexed dagger]

MORE BARDICHE BUFFS 🗣️

[acoustic flare]

std in the corner:

[acoustic flare]

+1m mg buff
best we got

[hexed dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/let's-take-a-look-shadesszs-gif-15927486381169454982

[acoustic flare]

shameful... not w keying in

[atomic crow]

what does std mean?

[acoustic flare]

silverhand tank destroyer

[atomic crow]

its actually assualt tank

its not my word

[hexed dagger]

It’s actually buff bardiche

[acoustic flare]

when we do even care about the devs opinion on things
they are simply suggestions

[onyx hound]

when?

[fathom tiger]

i hear the space marines have arrived

[daring stump]

Svh been an assault tank sincd forever

[atomic crow]

no match for bolter(volta)

[minor escarp]

on release it was an assault tank

[frank edge]

Rip able-discussion

[atomic crow]

ngl we need medium tank destroyers and make them all fixed turret 45m and decrease all tanks with turret to 40m

[frank edge]

Svh is power creep tank

[minor escarp]

std with 45 m range 💔

[frank edge]

Remove widow, replace with 45m medium tank destroyer. Rebalance outlaw and spatha with 40mm range

[atomic crow]

now now Hasta

[mystic meadow]

That’s one contagious disease.

[frank edge]

Also revert talos being better than BT LOL

[minor escarp]

just buff bt

reduce all fac tank exept spg am5 cost by 2/3

[frank edge]

Bring back flood ascension

[atomic crow]

no one even ask for talos range buff lol, what i thought it lack is the turret rotation speed or the tank speed itself

[dawn patrol]

40 millimeter range?

Melee tanks?

Im down for this

[mystic meadow]

Finally, tank jousting.

[minor escarp]

legit, against outlaw, you couldnt do anything as talos, the outlaw had the time to do a 180 before you could reach him

[atomic crow]

yeah the problem of talos is the shit speed and the turret

you can basically get fucked even if the enemy in range they can just move side to side and your gunner will have aneurism tryna aim

[frank edge]

If you complain about talos speed and turret try a widow LOL

At least you don't get outranged as well

[atomic crow]

too bad widow is fixed turret

[daring stump]

Infinite turret turn rate

[atomic crow]

also i find it weird that falchion is the chasis used on talos when bard chasis is better

colonial engineer need to get executed

[plucky robin]

It's cheaper

[acoustic flare]

why dont we put ltd on the bard chasis then

[daring stump]

Bc its big gun on cheap tank

A bard is like 3 falchions lol

Its like t-34 85 / kv 2 larp

[hazy raptor]

dont reverse the chassis, literally mount the gun backwards instead

(aka permanent angle bonus against you )

[daring stump]

Ltd is style incarnate

Archer mini larp

[keen arrow]

Bard TD variant can be the Achilles

[gray salmon]

Im going to start using new tank Abbreviations to confuse everyone and hope it catches on so everyone continues to be confused with the mix of old and new.

[daring stump]

SPLAAT gaming

[novel widget]

[Rope] Commie Hunter is back playing, be on look out for him

[keen arrow]

What'd he do?

[neon crest]

griefing fac because transpeople exist

[novel widget]

Well known griefer

Legit has been griefing on and off for a good 3+ years

[daring stump]

Imagine that being your life

[novel widget]

Permabans dont do shit cus he buys new accounts

[daring stump]

One step below fac degeneracy

[neon crest]

imagine being such a big looser in life

[novel widget]

So much so you can get siegecamp perma bans by using the ban reason [Rope] Commie Hunter in the ticket lol

[neon crest]

it's one of his alt account detransition

[drowsy oasis]

[keen arrow]

What a scumbag..

[twin needle]

Wild what is he trying to do?

[drowsy oasis]

honestly impressive to be such a loser that people know you by name in a game populated almost entirely by smelly turbolosers

[twin needle]

Beat me to saying it why does he do this I don’t understand why people try to grief in the this game out of all things

[keen arrow]

Same reason there's bullies irl; people with insecurities projecting on others

[twin needle]

Had to be some shit like that

Straight sad

[merry dock]

lol what?

[pure grail]

why does he keep coming back

cdguri showed me a video of what he sounds like its actually amazing

[drowsy oasis]

[runic niche]

Thats, thats beautiful.

[pure grail]

its a bug

which is the funniest part

[drowsy oasis]

it just works

[twin needle]

It’s been doing that for months tho xd

It just wercs

[pure grail]

the only reason it happens is because the raidbreakers use the same base coding as artillery shells

[keen arrow]

I assume he has nothing better to do in his life

[pure grail]

and i guess siege camp forgot to blacklist them as part of the retaliation for howis

[twin needle]

Wild asf tbh xd spaghetti code ass gammmmmmmeeeee

[novel widget]

Foxhole William Afton

[merry dock]

No I mean the ban part

[pure grail]

iirc there was a period in time where howi garrisons would retaliate against something really stupid

[twin needle]

Wild ☠️

[pure grail]

i cant remember the specifics of it

[merry dock]

If I were to report you with the subject line rope commiehunter would they ban you by default

Or what

[pure grail]

uhhhhh probably not

remember siegecamp believes in "second chances"

inb4 their moderation post all the way back from like 2017-18

[keen arrow]

This guy's had several chances from the sounds of it

[novel widget]

Thats what I heard from people

[pure grail]

the game does have a moderation team but it isnt ingame

[novel widget]

Rope Commie Hunter (ban evasion)

[pure grail]

siegecamp swears by the star trek prime directive

[novel widget]

Idk youd probably need a little proof like statements in hame

[merry dock]

brb getting you banned

[twin needle]

They just love it when you buy another acc just to get banned

[merry dock]

Dammit

[pure grail]

they dont allow themselves to interfere with wars as to ruin the flow of the game

[novel widget]

But the guy is a notable name already

[twin needle]

Some people buy accs when the games on sale

[pure grail]

thats why they're so hands off most of the time

[merry dock]

Very sad existence

[pure grail]

voices probably work too

[hazy raptor]

looking at the bug notes and it turns out the warden GB is a bug

well, its in bug fixes so it was fixed

[novel widget]

I mean I guess siegecamp makes money lol

[pure grail]

considering the whole thing of "devs design collie equipment first" i wouldnt be surprised

[novel widget]

Unlimited griefer farm

[pure grail]

tbf banning them makes them money

[twin needle]

Prob have made like 200 dollars off that 1 dumbass alone

[novel widget]

Like 3+ years of on and off griefing

[pure grail]

siegecamp has a monetary incentive to ban them

[hazy raptor]

i also like that fixing with these hexes made it to the patch notes too

[novel widget]

Peak commie hunter schizo posting

[pure grail]

whoever was writing the patch notes probably had something to include here but legitimately forgot

[ivory summit]

I was going to say NAVY is Collie again then I saw last year

😭

[merry dock]

Only funny multi account spammer was the smuggling legions dude

[novel widget]

Bro gets that unemployment check and spends it on siegecamp 💀

[hazy raptor]

its empty in the devbranch notes too lol, its just copy/pasted over

[pure grail]

ernestopresso made a pretty good theory how they probably had design documents for the patchnotes but just. forgot them completely midway through (which seems to be the case for practically every update at this point)

[hexed dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-take-a-look-side-eye-splort-cheetah-big-cat-gif-3139504552428558115

[pure grail]

either out of genuine forgetfulness or just an unwillingness to have to document literally every single minor change they make with the game

[hexed dagger]

Money glitch?!?!?!

[hazy raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1489937327269871736.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[hexed dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482391410371199136/1486341473086472394/caption.gif

[pure grail]

this is how technical debt is accrued btw

[hazy raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482391410371199136/1486341473086472394/caption.gif

[pure grail]

especially when you bring someone new on the team with an already established codebase but little documentation as to how it works or was developed in the first place

[hazy raptor]

what even is this cat

what even was the last one with the fish

[ivory summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1489937327269871736.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[hazy raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1489937327269871736.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[winter hill]

thatd explain why svh reverse was 50% worse not 20%

[pure grail]

its like bringing your new mechanic buddy to work on a modern suv that has 5 fucktillion different features you need to account for or the engine wont start

[ivory summit]

New art just dropped

This one literally came to me in a dream, I just woke up and decided to make it

[burnt stump]

somebody listened to midway, didnt you?

[ivory summit]

No

The whole poster is based off "Someday at Sea"

Only cultured chuds will know what that is

[gaunt hollow]

lean more into the ace combat asthetic smh

[pure grail]

it also explains why slap dash changes like making scout planes shoot 12.7 seem completely overlooked by them while players are screaming at them that this is going to suck

[hexed dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203512636556574720/1507930081962758335/1489937327269871736.gif

[ivory summit]

How the fuck lean into ace combat aesthetic do you want me to put a jet fighter in the background?!

[gaunt hollow]

aka: war is sexy

[hazy raptor]

no, making scouts 12.7mm is a terrible change

[burnt stump]

ewww anime reference (i just googled it)

[keen arrow]

Too few people on the dev team, so many things are getting overlooked or just outright ignored

[keen arrow]

The same few people for years, no one new to offer fresh perspective

[opaque shore]

how is pop this war guys

i just joined for the first time

[distant heart]

Yesterday was good, very fun

Idk ahout today

I love the server merge so far

[opaque shore]

its so nice actually i'm seeing old charlie friends

[twin needle]

Omg the omen isn’t worthless now

Just got my first kill with it

[hazy raptor]

i must be unable to read because im still not understanding the earlier paragraph lol

[twin needle]

Feels so fucking good

Why was it not like this before?

[daring stump]

Wack

[twin needle]

Like it’s actually worth using now xd

[hexed dagger]

I need to try the Blake and omen

[pure grail]

devman not know why 12.7 bad bad even when playerman tell them it bad bad because devman not write down good

[hazy raptor]

same

[daring stump]

12.7 would be busted on acouts

Anyone saying such just doesnt understand how the game does damage values

[hazy raptor]

scouts werent made 12.7mm though right?

[pure grail]

they were

it was the original MG type they wanted to decide on for airborne but people screamed at them enough to make them change it to a 20mm LV

it was busted

[hazy raptor]

oh before yea, not now

thought there was some secret change that made them 12.7mm now lol

forgot they were originally 12.7mm kek
yet still see the occasional suggestion for it xd

[ember girder]

They should make scout shoot 7.62

[pure grail]

because the people that play this game dont understand why some things are the way they are

[hazy raptor]

.44

"giys we totally need .44 stocked shirley im bringing a scout plane soon"

[keen arrow]

8mm

[burnt helm]

to be fair you gotta remember what one dev can do in one month, two devs can do in two months

just because you hire another dev team doesnt mean youll double the output

[real thorn]

evil plant

[hot token]

f*ck things up 2 times?

[ivory summit]

[distant heart]

If they are understaffed by 50% it will, its just that there is often a point of saturation considering a work force

[burnt helm]

theres a pipeline for any progress

if you have 1 person doing each step

and you add 9 more people at the start of the pipeline, it still wont massively increase the amount of content

[distant heart]

Unless the pipeline needs 10 steps and there is only 5 people

[upbeat smelt]

Ngl i have a feeling that foxholes pipeline is very spagetti

So it would be very hard to get new people in, in a way that would not require oversight from current devs

[distant heart]

Agreed

Yee thats an investment certainly

[hexed dagger]

Weird looking plant

https://tenor.com/view/let's-take-a-look-shadesszs-gif-15927486381169454982

[distant heart]

Question if its worth it

[austere adder]

Looks fine to me

[upbeat smelt]

Like, the DF level of "we cannot touch cobolds cause without cobolt core leavers dont work" tier bullshit

[daring stump]

Pulling up mid civil war to get your scroop

[hexed dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-emoji-shoot-gun-shoot-gif-10049962077030692855

[ruby bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607297649015521290/1109112509207691324/F6A20EBA-CD61-4CDF-995C-59D1E16E86E4.gif

[daring stump]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shot-gif-10358343

Muh scroooooooop

[hard vapor]

Make scout plane pilots be able to carry a pistol as their weaponry

[hexed dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422064358107910236/1487287576111874093/4x.avif

I eat uou

[neon crest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842098467974807553/1499125065344876604/SILENCE.gif

[twin needle]

Omen is to mass produced

Fuck the cinder it’s omen time

[atomic crow]

Omen is unlocked?

[real thorn]

im repeating it

[atomic crow]

we still on able

[real thorn]

its weird being a collie but its fun so far

[serene roost]

Will foxhole drama ever cease

https://klipy.com/gifs/johnny-english-agent

[rustic sleet]

It's all psychological.

[hexed dagger]

GUHHH

[opaque shore]

Wait what happened to [tele] amaranth infamous yapper

[real thorn]

its now VF amaranth

[opaque shore]

Now we have [forkvf] amaranth

[burnt stump]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[sleek yacht]

fym ur collie

[real thorn]

im green...

[sleek yacht]

disaster

[uncut berry]

https://tenor.com/view/green-ninjago-ninja-sensei-sensei-wu-gif-6467414812525449281

[merry dock]

wlecome to the good gguys

[hexed dagger]

Our hate is the reason we still love each other 🥹

[real thorn]

low cortisol lowpop BB combat is actually quite nice

[dusky owl]

BB?

[real thorn]

bober

[real thorn]

i saw you in world chat

[dusky owl]

We dont talk about what I say in WC

[serene roost]

I dont know if thats true

[left mango]

XD

[serene roost]

I just think people are far too emotionally invested in this game for sure

[boreal burrow]

To many negative emotions specially

[grave wharf]

Looks like wardens brought a lot of AC to King's cage.

[hot token]

not sure why but devs mentioned very explicitly they worked on netcode for hit register, but somehow i feel no difference at all. Is it just me being laggy or you all also felt nothing?

[daring stump]

I mean it was mostly planes this patch iirc

[versed arrow]

Ir could also be netcode for certain regions. Connection in Asia isn’t always a good as other regions for example

[hot token]

now i know why years before there was a movement to include an Asian difficulty in games

we're literally fighting both the games and ourselves with this connection

[onyx hound]

they aplied hte hit register that is being used for infantry weapons to airplanes. And yes, those changes are working pretty good, everyone could test them on devbranch and it looks way better now regarding plane shooting.

[stoic basin]

Day 1 boring, day 3 is peak collie times

[coral cargo]

It all makes sense now. Legion-sergeant Syndrome.

[hot token]

a bit too many numbers for my 2 braincells, can ya explain this?

[stoic basin]

Are you still in SOM Nebulous

[rustic sleet]

Second chart is more important. Shows what penetration chance your tank has based on how many 68mm have already penned you.

[rocky loom]

Looks like wardens are winning again 21-18 VPs

[coral cargo]

no i joined the best regiment in the game.

[hot token]

it's reversed

we losing again, it's a tradition

[rustic sleet]

First chart is simple pen chance based on tank armour your tank has (also simulating tank armour being stripped), but it can be misleading because of diffrent tank armour HP values.

[stoic basin]

SCUM or 420st

[hot token]

did the chart account for Tiered vics or just default?

[opaque shore]

Larp Sergeant

[rustic sleet]

For example you can see for Spatha, that you need to repair your armour after 5-8 shots. Before that, your pen chance stays the same as default.

No, as tier resistance does not affect your tank armour HP (I believe at least).

[versed arrow]

Isnt the second chart based on an assumption that a certain number of rounds will comsistently + successfully pen a target?

[rustic sleet]

It is penned 68mm shots. Yeah.

[hot token]

i recommend changing the color code of SVH and Spatha, they are more visibly different on the line but the explanatory marker is a bit confusing

[rustic sleet]

And consistency does not matter.

[versed arrow]

Like in theory if the first 10 shots dont pen, then the 11th shot would have the same chance as the first 10

[rustic sleet]

Spatha is obviously the worse one.

[rustic sleet]

The chart is for penetrating shots, why would you take non pens into account?

[rustic sleet]

The one close to Outlaw.

[hot token]

remind me if pen shot only or even non-pen can strip armour?

[versed arrow]

Dont rounds need to do hp damage in order to damage armour?

[rustic sleet]

Only pen.

[versed arrow]

So doesnt that mean if no rounds pen, then the %chance of future pens remain the same since armour remains the same?

[hot token]

a bit surprised Bard has the same maximum pen chacne as Outlaw and SVH

[rustic sleet]

That's what I am talking about. They need to penetrate to damage armour.

So the chart shows your tank's penetration chance based on how many penetrating shots your tank took.

[hot token]

always thought Collies armours always have a slightly higher pen chance

[rustic sleet]

Most tank are like that. Max. penetration chance is mostly capped at 0.67 chance.

[versed arrow]

Ah ok - cause the chart says shots taken, not penetrations.

[muted olive]

it's basically the same now, just wardens have HV, colonials have HP

[rustic sleet]

Should've clarified that, yeah. If I would take into account all shots, I would have to do probability, which on the other hand is based on pen. chance. This creates a loop. Too lazy to do that.

But it makes no sense to even do that.

[hot token]

btw, did you datamine the stat out or tested it in-game?

[burnt stump]

its such a pointless way to do "asymmetry"

[rustic sleet]

The stats are already datamined, there is a spreadsheet around the internet.

[rustic sleet]

Max. penetration chance has always been the same.

[versed arrow]

Its a damage vs tankiess balancing asymmetry

[burnt stump]

which is always a mess to deal with

[hot token]

i always thought the tank models mattered or something. COnsidering the "Box" design of most collie tanks, connecting shots have higher pen-chance, while more "aesthetic" designs with rounder armour might somewhat deflect the shots, thus slightly less pen-chance for Warden armours

[muted olive]

I just meant with widow nerfs, outlaw - spatha and bard-widow min pen is comparable

[rustic sleet]

It is interesting to notice, that while Bardiche is way more tankier than SVH at first, after 9 penetating shots, SVH will actually do better (slightly).

[burnt stump]

they would genuinely be better off to keep the stats closer together and just do asymmetry with different design philosophies instead of stat diffs

[daring stump]

Everyone has a plan till x3 68mm hit them in the face

[versed arrow]

Rule 1 of game design - never confuse lore and irl designs for balance decisions

[hot token]

LTD Pelykis must be the black sheep then, because that glass cannon aren't gonna tank anything

[burnt stump]

make it closed top or at least remove the shit stability and its already far better

[daring stump]

Exceptions to rules are fine

[hot token]

i associated with the fact mentioned somewhere long before, might have been a few years back, that Collie armour has a slightly higher pen-chance, so the box design made sense to me

[rustic sleet]

Yeah, min. penetration chance are pretty similar now. THey used to differ more (0.27 on old Ironhide), same for armour HP values. That's why many wardens tell that the armount of armour they have a little more is not good compared to how much more HP colonials have.

Besides armour is always a worse stat than HP becasue HP you can repair, armour - most of the time you won't.

[versed arrow]

Armour is also basically praying rng is favourable to you, whereas with hp you kinda have some degree of consistency

[burnt stump]

YEP

[daring stump]

Im convinced if you really wanna be effective with tanks you gotta muscle thru rng by being in a group and have a reserve to keep trading for ground

[rustic sleet]

Some warden tanks do have better min. penetration chance at start, yeah, but they nerfed it pretty much (Widow or old Ironhide) or have more armour values which causes them to have less steep pen. lines over time.

[dusky owl]

Which is what’s going to fuck with HTDs this war

[hot token]

speaking of armour, isn't the QoL update allow storing damaged tank in the stockpile? DOes it mean the tank when taken out has full armour or something?

[rustic sleet]

And you lose all hope in prayers after you lose armour HP, which you can't repair, contrary to HP.

[rustic sleet]

The armour has to be repaired.

[tiny mural]

only vehicles with are above the disable threshold, and with no armor damage

so non-armored vehicles inherently will be easier to store this way

[daring stump]

Armor has to be repped and vice above a % amount iiec

[burnt stump]

this in combination with the super short ranges is why we have tank line meta

[rustic sleet]

It is mainly for them. So you don't have to repair your truck.

[tiny mural]

yeah, and flatbeds and other stuff. ye

[hot token]

but armour can only be repped when the armoured vics are fully repaired, no?

pretty much more convinient for non-armour vics then

[versed arrow]

I mean, thats why every tank mag dumps into an opponent If they get caught our or tracked.

[rustic sleet]

And that's why armour system should have more constant values and guaranteed pens etc. or non pens (idk) in some situations.

[mystic steeple]

War is bad

[hot token]

anyone remember if the sticky bomb landed on the road, with the vic on top can damage the vic's subsystem or just do dmg?

[tiny mural]

sometimes joe-rando shoots your tank with a pistol and that still does like 0.01% damage. So its useful for that stuff, but otherwise, yes

[rustic sleet]

The system is not inherently bad (what else could they do besides introducing War Thunder armour) but requires more expected values. Maybe more armour tiers, maybe pen. chance based on armour tier.

[versed arrow]

Armour can only be repaired in a garage, which instantly replenishes the tank to 100% armour and hp for 100 Bmats

Thnks for the banana

[burnt stump]

there should also be a class splitting into medium tank armour and heavy tank armour, currently everything from tankette upwards is in the same resistance class

[real thorn]

theyre gonna feel my wrath

[versed arrow]

So this isnwhat the Collies are using to fight the warden armour uniform?

[hot token]

idk how it ended up on my hotkey icon but it's what i throw at statements i have no further agreement or debate, so yeah you're welcome

[daring stump]

Nah i mean like you just gotta accept tank losses which is done when you have enough

Either side

[hot token]

i love hoarding all Bomastone into my grenadier uniform and mass-murder the entire trench in front of me at night

[daring stump]

Random lines dont wanna be the sacrifice so you need some gurantee the tanker will spend the tank and the supply will have another

[rustic sleet]

That's what I'm talking about. Probalby there should be - ligh armour for half tracks. Medium armour - for probably all tanks. Heavy armour for heavy tanks like SHTs, BTs, maybe Bardiches or Widows. A little diffrent resistance values and maybe pen. chance against shells too.

[versed arrow]

This honestly sounds like another hell to balance ngl

[hot token]

sometimes the chat message pops up a few funny orange lines like "friendly fire" or kind of sort, perhaps they should blame themselves for being in that trench in the first place

[stoic basin]

It only storing tank that has lost health but still 100% amour, if you partisan enemy tank that already lost amour then it cannot storing

[rustic sleet]

I don't know, it's the devs job. But tank system needs reforming.

[dusky owl]

I have a feeling they might make something like this next year when they mentioned the whole armored warfare thing

[hot token]

good news, that apocalyptic red colour is gone.

[narrow phoenix]

Killing u

[hot token]

tf Widow

[rustic sleet]

You can see why Widow is strong in armour.

[stoic basin]

Tbh I would like they apply breach mechanic to tank, like if amour of a part that too low you can penetrate next shot to injure or kill the crew

[hot token]

balancing aside, just modeling the breached tanks, and then the netcode to properly have a shot inside taking out the crew would fry half their server hamsters

[rustic sleet]

There are many cool ideas, but we have to be careful not to reach so complex mechanincs that won't be fun or will always result in punishment or even more suffering from infantry. Current RNG is blessing and curse at the same time.

[hot token]

yeah, takes facility for example, that single mechanic f*cked up sleep schedule of many dedicated clanman

[rustic sleet]

I am on hopium the 65 update is about that. Can't wait.

[rustic sleet]

Facilites are also cool. Just wrong in current state and the amount of grind.

[stoic basin]

I mean make a tank that has 4 part, the gun part, the front and 2 side part have there own amour like this. Amour get reduce every time it get shot just like air part

[versed arrow]

I cannot wait for the inevitable malding when that releases kek

[stoic basin]

But well maybe hamster cant run that specific mechanic

[rustic sleet]

Maybe thinking about lowering subsystem disable chance but increasing it when your tank armour is stripped or HP is worse is the way.

[hot token]

ngl, if an actual breach can reveal the inside of a tank, and then a next shot offing the crew, i doubt that tank can even keep driving. It's either towed back or left there another husk on the battlefield, because all gearboxes, steering and optics would have been destroyed beyond recognition

[dusky owl]

typical yapper

[rustic sleet]

This way you normally have less susbsystem disable chance (besides tracks), so less RNG, BUT if you stay in combat for long and get your armour stripped, you will get turreted, fueled eaisly.

[hot token]

can HE like Mammon fuel a tank if hit at the correct fuel box?

[rustic sleet]

I think the subsystem disable chance is only for penetrating weapons and dedicated AT.

[ember girder]

it can

[rustic sleet]

BUT IF devs ever add such mechanics, it's an outright nerf to tanks, so that's why they should be buffed then.

[hot token]

maybe they can add modification like sandbags, drone-proof cages, smoke generator or something like that

and the more modifications made, the more time taken to get in/out the tank, more bmat required to repair too

[rustic sleet]

2000 bmats repair.

[hot token]

we can have built half the town at the cost of that bmat, but our geniuses have dedicated such valuable materials to our most larping larper machine on the battlefield

[solemn perch]

The Silverhand clearly ain't a brawler that's for sure.

[rustic sleet]

It never was and never was meant to be.

[solemn perch]

But that's what the devs are saying and acting on.

[daring stump]

Its more of a brawler among lack of brawlers

[rustic sleet]

That is why the change is so stupid.

Taking away SVH mobility is a debuff.

[daring stump]

Just sacrafice the tank

[rustic sleet]

SVH was about mobility. That is what made it kind of unique.

[solemn perch]

Exactly!

The devs are stupid.

[daring stump]

Its what bards have been told since time emmorial

[rustic sleet]

SVH honestly did better at flanking and quick assaults than brawling.

[carmine bane]

oo thanks for the reminder to refresh my neg review!

[gray salmon]

No fun allowed during fight club 😭 That or I got mass reported purely for digging out of the way in FC 😆 I only demoed some pills

[solemn perch]

Bring it back