#The Acolyte

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twin quarry
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That’s what I’ve been telling people but everyone called me crazy

warped flax
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Telling what?

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That a disney Star Wars story was bad?

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And no one believed you?

twin quarry
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Telling people that viewership and your relationship with your audience is important.

warped flax
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Right?

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Meaning?

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What did they tell people to have a bad relationship with them?

twin quarry
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No I mean when you ignore your main audience and insult them on top of that, you shouldn’t be surprised when your project is cancelled due to lack of success.

warped flax
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How did they insult their main audience?

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I'm really not following you

twin quarry
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That’s something you’ll have to look up yourself.

warped flax
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Or you can hop in DM?

twin quarry
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Negative

warped flax
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Ok, well, that's a little weird but ok

proud juniper
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I never once felt "insulted" by them lmao

warped flax
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I guess their writing is bad so that's an insult to our intelligence?

proud juniper
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Beats the shit out of me

warped flax
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But I think I know what he means

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

potent adder
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Something something the show call all the fans racist or something like that

warped flax
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I wish they would write serious Star Wars

potent adder
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if you scroll up far enough you can find it

warped flax
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Like serious conversation about the human conditions

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Like Better Call Saul or something

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I watched Obi-Wan the miniseries, and I felt like it was meant for a young teenagers

warped flax
idle fossil
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Money does not equate quality.

warped flax
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You're right

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But they have lots of time and money

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I don't understand

warped flax
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_>

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Depends on how much C-Suite looked in on things or how reliant they were on marketing data (which Disney is quite keen on, iirc.)

warped flax
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I think I would feel at peace if I understood

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I guess the best answer I can come up with is that they don't care, thus they do the lowest effort writing possible?

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Doubt we'll ever know for sure.

warped flax
potent adder
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They also could have had a good script and things could have gotten edited and changed which may have led tot he wonky holes.

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It would be nice to know what happened in the room with the writing team, but alas. We can just speculate.

potent adder
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There are books I believe in the works so we can hopefully find out what happens there

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Some closure/further information on the characters, at least.

warped flax
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Books by ex-employees?

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Oh

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Hopefully those books are written by people who gaf

twin quarry
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Hopefully we get a new show with better concepts and writing.

warped flax
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Fat chance

twin quarry
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Yes the story matters and is more than often dependent on the success of a show.

warped flax
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If only people in the C-suite gave a damn

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🤷‍♂️

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They give a damn. About the shareholders.

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At least we have Andor.

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And more Visions, pls.

twin quarry
warped flax
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What I really want is something as mature as the last clone wars seasons before it got bought by Disney and canned

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With the Maul and Savage arc on Mandalore

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But like Lucas said, Star Wars is meant for kids

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Visions is the template I've wanted Star Wars to be using for a long time now, because I despise canon and canon arguments.

warped flax
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Visions isn't more serious is it?

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Like later seasons of Clone Wars serious?

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Like the arc where Ahsoka gets exiled from the Jedi Order

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I would say Screecher's Reach was fairly serious. lol Some of them were tonally were kiddy and others were quite mature.

warped flax
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Clone Wars literally had Ahsoka trying to prove she didn't commit murder

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And Anakin investigating and finding clues

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How awesome was that

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That's what SWTOR does

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Being somewhat serious and mature without gore and people's limbs being chopped off

grave knot
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*pretend to be shocked
Whattttt it doesn’t get renewed?! Its cancelled?!?!

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Lol but if we being real, we saw this coming from galaxy far far away already

misty trout
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Another tragedy for darth plagueis the wise

proud juniper
alpine urchin
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Another show will take place it’s place

wide abyss
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potent adder
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I hate that they u sed the word canceled for Season 2 when it was never greenlit or publicly announced it was happening. Its a poor word choice for this. Its a terrible way to announce something and its only adding fuel to unnecessary hate. I stupidly opened twitter this morning and saw images of people going to Amandla's instagram and flooding her comments with terrible things. All because the show was "canceled".

I hope skeleton crew is good for the sake of the child actors.

muted raven
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I think hoping is like a theme in star wars since the very first movie

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rebellions are built on hope and all that

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I did not like the show. But even then, the finale is so... open ended. So now it just feels silly to can it and at least not give some kind of conclusion to the characters. Now their place in the grander story is just in limbo, they existed.

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And that is by far my main gripe with all these shows. They just do their own thing instead of adding much to the larger narrative of star wars.

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Andor was amazing but it also did its own thing. We know where it leads already.

But these shows have never been about the story. It has been to keep people subscribed to disney+

potent adder
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There have been many shows in the past that dont pick up speed until after season 1 (and those shoes had more than 8 episodes to work with too). Acolyte falls victim to the stupid short season format and the lack of allowing a show to improve in a season 2. But again, I am more so annoyed about the wording of the announcement and now reading all the harassment the actors are getting in the forms of people cheering. Which is werid in itself.

twin quarry
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twin quarry
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I was commenting on the fact that some shows don't get good until after season 1.

twin quarry
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Like what?

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I’d say avatar but I genuinely enjoyed season 1

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I can’t think of any show where season 1 was bad but season 2 was great

It’s usually that season 2 is better

potent adder
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Parks and Rec, The Office, The Clone Wars are the few that come to my head

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Star Trek TNG's first season was rough.

Breaking Bad is often cited.

potent adder
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Breaking bad yea. I have have people tell me that too

idle fossil
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Game of Thrones had a solid first season.

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Like I could not get through episode 1 of Breaking Bad.

idle fossil
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And then greatness up to S4

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But everyone is like 'IT'S FANTASTIC THOUGH AFTER SEASON 1'.

idle fossil
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S5 the decline started, WITH some VERY bright spots in S5 and S6. But the decline in the seasons as a whole started with S5 all the way to the end in S8.

potent adder
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Its hard for a show to flourish with such a small capacity. Like these shows had seasons with 20 episodes and it got better after season 1. This show with 8 episodes isnt allowed to potentially get better and it sucks.

muted raven
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Because having the shows be NEEDED to bring in views to justify the absurdly large budget they have

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is just... so stupid

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because it doesn't allow for experimentation to see what sticks

misty trout
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rlly sad to hear that the actors who acted are receiving such hate too

muted raven
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Clone Wars had Ahsoka be hated because she was a brat into easily one of the most loved, BECAUSE the show was allowed to experiment and then stuck to what worked.

potent adder
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To add salt to the wound. Yesterday was Danny Macinto (the Qimir actor)'s birthday. Everyone was wishing him a happy birthday and saying they were excited to see what he brought in season 2. Only for a few hours later to be denied it.

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So then the birthday messages started getting twisted to things along the lines of "Happy birthday, glad that show got canceled"

muted raven
potent adder
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Or "Happy Birthday, thank you for giving us a present of the show being canceled"

misty trout
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poor Qimir, he and Sol rlly broke their backs carry that show ngl

muted raven
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They did

misty trout
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tho i'm still pissed off they did Sol dirty like that

potent adder
muted raven
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Sure, i just feel like it is worse now

potent adder
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Only thing thats changed is the ease of access to it now.

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Went from physical hate mail to now hundreds of hate comments

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potent adder
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I wish

bright sierra
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i think acolyte's issues couldnt have been solved even with 4 extra episodes tbh, the issue is that they relied so hard on contrivances to move the plot along

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so the story itself needed some change

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or maybe with the extra episodes they could develop things to make it look like less of a contrivance

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I'm curious if there were any deleted scenes that might have been helpful if left in.

proud juniper
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Just give everything to Tony Gilroy

bright sierra
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there might have been some stuff to expand upon Qimir/Plagueis i believe

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but oh well i guess we'll never know

idle fossil
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Let's just hope we have an actually good and properly Sith-focused show in the future.

misty trout
idle fossil
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Because this show was not Sith-focused.

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I doubt it'll happen, but hope is the main theme in SW sooo.

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Might as well have some hope.

misty trout
idle fossil
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Exactly.

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The show was as we all know, quite sub-par, but it did have good moments.

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Such as that.

potent adder
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If there were more episodes we would have gotten more meat to the story and less of a "why should I care about them or this" feeling. Could have fleshed out more characters as well.

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Shorter seasons is a problem across the industry, sadly.

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But particularly with the Disney produced shows.

bright sierra
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yeah

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hopefully Andor teaches them the lesson of making their shows a little longer

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and hopefully their new Daredevil series for marvel turns out really good since thats supposed to be like 16 or 18 episodes per season

restive niche
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The show was heavily flawed but I did appreciate that they did do some homework

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a little bit of Sith Code, actually remembering that Jedi do not forcibly take children and even that they prefer to leave other Force sects alone (if watched, and also provided they don't do anything bad), cortosis shorting out sabers, etc. They also made sure to respect a Jedi Master's power level.

proud juniper
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ye, flawed but with enormous potential

idle fossil
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Very true

prime mantle
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Spoiler: || Show Cancelled ||

idle fossil
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prime mantle
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Yeah TNG is my go to as well for horrible first season examples

proud juniper
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The Simpsons is another

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I'd argue it didn't hit its stride until s3

wise dove
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I’m hoping the canceling is temporary or is picked up /revived in later years , or somehow continued thru comics or some medium

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There are books/comics on the horizon.

wise dove
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ah yes im hyped for the indara/vern book

wise dove
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I almost forgot about the one other alien jedi who was only in the premiere and then didn’t show up again , she’d definitely be fitting for showing up at the funeral if she worked with yord

proud juniper
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Tasi Lowa, I think

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the Zygerrian

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she was Yord's Padawan iirc

wise dove
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Oh she was zygerrian? I didn’t even catch that she looked so… unique lol

proud juniper
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yep

wise dove
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Wonder what interesting commentary they might want to explore there with the zygerrians being more at the height of their power before the movies , I’m not as familiar with their status in the hr era but I could imagine them being more prominent

glad bobcat
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finally decided to start watching this

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Episode 1: I have a lot of questions and am pretty lost on the setting overall

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love the costume designs so far, though

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Episode 2: the fight between Sol and Mae was pretty cool imo. Khofar looks amazing and the story seems to slowly be picking up but I still have more questions than I would like to have after 2 episodes of a show

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I also feel like Master Sol has something to do with whatever tragedfy occurred in Osha and Mae's past after his "maybe I was a bad master" line during the talk about the girls' past

glad bobcat
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Episode 3: costume designs still amazing, Jedi still on a power trip about enacting justice on worlds not part of the republic.

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could have done without the family drama tho.

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Episode 4: Khofar still looks great, the Moth was pretty cool, I am now 100% convinced that Qimir is the Sith and also about my Sol theory from earlier

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1v9 letsgo

misty trout
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ep5 is the best imo

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you will enjoy it

glad bobcat
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Episode 5: both the best and worst so far

I started off them episode EXTREMELY annoyed after I noticed right away that they were gonna skip over the majority of the big fight and only slow some 1v1 or 2v1 scenes. We did end up getting a ton more fighting, though, so that somehwat compensated for it but still. I get that chorepgraphing such a massive fight between 10 (or since Osha was unconscious, 9) people is very challenging but this was a rare opportunity to show off what you can do with a big budget and some training.

The few initial fight scenes were okay but where tf was Sol the entire time if he was CLEARLY the strongest. Of course he would only show up after literally everyone else is incapacitated to then have a mediocre lightsaber duel with Qimir. Jecki vs Mae was pretty good, once again showing that the series does unarmed combat better than lightsaber duels somehow. Still, what assassin keeps a blade too dull to cut skin on contact?!?

Qimir vs Jecki was the best lightsaber fight of the series so far in my opinion. I am curious where that girl learned to fight so well when all the grown-ups except Sol got slaughtered casually. When Sol joined to make it a 2v1 it ways also still a good fight. Honestly didnt expect the padawan to die here but the hidden shoto trick was pretty cool. LOL at Fandar just casually dying like the other "knights". The ensuing fistfight between Sol and Qimir was once again pretty good but why did we have to get the cliché interruption from Osha when Sol was just about to murder the Sith? this is making me think she's gonna end up on the dark side and become te titular Acolyte in place of her sister.

Nice moth play followed by more superfluous family drama that could have been resolved 16 years ago by saying "agree to disagree". Nice touch that Mae evidently stole Osha's clothes to go to the ship with Sol.

glad bobcat
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Episode 6: filler much? sadly the bad kind where we don't really learn many new things. I like fillers where we get lots of world- and character building but I feel like there was barely anything "new" here. Nice that we got a lightwhip but I always thought the versions without tassels were a bit funky looking and remind me of spaceballs

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"Filler" only works when your shows aren't glorified miniseries.

glad bobcat
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Episode 7: I did enjoy this 2nd flashback episode even though the plot was wholly predictable. Well not the exact details but the general outline. Interesting that the blowback from freeing the wookie instantly killed the coven since there was barely a noticeable struggle. But the idea of mind control as one of the "cult powers" is something I liked.

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Every party was at fault for the tragedy. Mae for the fire, The witches for their lack of explanation, the Jedi for their intrusion into affairs that should not concern them. Only Osha did nothing wrong, really, but I arleady had a feeling she would compensate for that later 🙃

potent adder
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woah careful there. Jedi are totally innocent (Im joking, just poking fun at those who say they are innocent)

glad bobcat
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Episode 8: This was one of the best episodes in my opinion. Sol vs Qimir and Mae vs Osha were some of the better fights of this series but damn, this episode also really made me dislike some characters which isn't a bad thing, though. These past few episodes were really the "stopping Sol from murdering people over and over again" show. Seriously, that happened like 4 times.

Kinda funny how we went from synthetic crystals to bleeding crystals AND synthetic crystals, to only bleeding xcrystals to Osha bleeding Sol's crystal over lierally 20 seconds to full red. Kinda ridiculous.

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Overall I think the series was okay. I don't regret watching it but it's not one of my favs and idk if I will re-watch it. Don't get the hate, though.

I like how it showed some Jedi hypocrisy rather than just painting them as the good guys again and I also like that some characters were at least somewhat nuanced even though others were still lacking.

The costume designers really outdid themselves with the exception of whatever the fuck Qimir was wearing as his 320° cloak that only left one arm free for fighting which contradicts his dual saber approach and the (imo) ugly af helmet.

While I really liked the general premise, a lot of the dialogue was.... mediocre at best. The series also didn't do the ebst job at getting me attached to characters and the "tragic backstory" of two whole episodes did about as much for me in that regard as the few snippets in the "Disorder" trailer for SWTOR which is like.... 6 minutes? long.

The combat was mixed overall with the lightsaber duels being mostly boring except for the final one and the fight of Jecki vs Qimir in Ep5 but the unarmed fight scenes made up for that in quality, especailly with the integration of more force usage.

grave knot
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We need more of this

proud juniper
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Same for me, it was pretty mid

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Not awful but not too great but it had potential

glad bobcat
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I'm mostly just glad we live in a time where we're getting multiple seasons worth of SW series per year

proud juniper
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We have lots of content to keep us busy yeah

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I've read 30+ novels at this point and I'm only hungry for more

glad bobcat
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I still have Tales of the Sith to watch

proud juniper
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Was decent

glad bobcat
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and all the high republic stuff to read

proud juniper
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High Republic I had to go past Light of the Jedi to start liking it

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if that first book doesn't grab you give the next one a chance

idle fossil
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@glad bobcat I applaud your review 🙂

glad monolith
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People complaining about the witches using the force to reproduce made me remember that Anakin was born in the same way

proud juniper
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Not really

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It's never explained for certain, but Qui Gon theorizes that Anakin was conceived by the midichlorians/the Force itself

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Versus it's hinted at in The Acolyte that the witches used the Force and perhaps some kind of dark side technique to split one person into two, and conceive the twins that way

arctic wharf
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Plus there's that chosen one prophecy

glad monolith
verbal lake
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is this show over

wise dove
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its canceled . hoping it might get renewed at some point

glad monolith
wise dove
glad monolith
wise dove
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Fair point

bright sierra
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Its not impossible for it to come back, but its likely not coming back

wise dove
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yeah i figure more likely to maybe be continued in comics or in an adjacent way to how Qi'ra's story from Solo continued pretty much thru comics and other media

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if there's enough demand , maybe if sales are good for the upcoming acolyte novels or if the streaming numbers hold up over time

sturdy jewel
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trash