The Acolyte

[misty trout]

wouldn't be such of a mystery if u google the cast and bro is credited as "big boi baddie villain"/"Darth tenebrous"

[potent adder]

Right so some people theroize he voices someone in the final episode. Or makes an appearance.

Yea

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2024/04/the-acolyte-david-harewood-joins-the-cast-in-small-role.html

[vivid spear]

I would laugh if they have the true Sith lord actually show up at the last five minutes and just kill everyone, would be right in line with the Bane Novels were they never leave any witnesses and then lay down a simple cover story for the Jedi to investigate and accept later on.

[proud juniper]

Ohhh Harewood, I remember him

[potent adder]

There is some theories that happens. However its plan if for more than 1 season idk if it would. I think it would be fun for it to happen. But at the same time

[proud juniper]

It'll probably get a second season, it's been getting a decent amount of views from what I've read

[prime mantle]

die hard fans obsess over a specific story/era/characters and can't broaden their minds.

While i understand the point you're making, please don't make/post political/political-adjacent stuff like that 🙂

[bright sierra]

hes literally me

(the 'about me' section on my profile)

anyways back to acolyte posting

i liked that we actually got something more out of kelnacca than just him being a corpse

wouldve been disgusting to just get joonas suotamo hyped up that he gets to play a wookie jedi just for him to be dead

with no fun of swinging a saber

[proud juniper]

Another thing that I saw someone point out is some people who fell in love with Star Wars as kids get mad when they aren't able to replicate how they felt when they were 6 years old or whatever

[bright sierra]

ive made my peace with the fact that nothings gonna top revenge of the sith for me

so we ball

[idle fossil]

That's for sure.

[idle fossil]

All the people I know thankfully have all made fair critiques without going the hate-filled rhetoric route and just critiqued the plot/writing and whatnot.

At most saying some performances are bland, but that's it.

[proud juniper]

When you got into SW is gonna affect what you think is peak Star Wars. 70s through 90s? It's the OT. Late 90s/aughts? It's the PT

on average

But yeah, nothing will top ROTS for some or ESB for some so they have to temper their expectations

[muted raven]

I'm late to the convo but to me it feels disingenious when people say that "you just don't like Star Wars anymore then". People can like a universe and IP, but also dislike the new thing being made in and for it. You don't have to like new content just because you liked the old. In fact, giving critique is a show of love, because you want it to be more in line to what is already established.

Now I understand the overhate is there currently, warranted in some areas imo cuz disney does suck balls and defending that money hungry corporation is strange. This doesn't justify racism or bigotry still, but critique isn't automatically racism and bigotry.

I make OCs, I delve into lore, play games for star wars. So I love this entire universe and don't like when it is disrespected or misinterpreted

So when hardcore fans give valid criticism to newer things. I personally think newer fans should listen more than defend

[proud juniper]

That's fair, you don't have to like the new things

[muted raven]

all experiences matter, but I do personally respect hardcore fans more

that's kind of the issue. The new thing will affect the universe going forward

thankfully this show just has issues that pertain to writing and stuff like that as opposed to lore and deep in universe things

[potent adder]

Yea but there comes a point where if you stop liking the new things. You should move on from watching them and let the people enjoy them. The constant dragging on the new things makes it harder for people to enjoy and can make people less likely to watch the new things as well.

[proud juniper]

Yeah, the problem comes when people have made their disdain known, but instead of moving on, they keep hatewatching and complaining and rain on the parade of people who do enjoy the stuff

[potent adder]

Hate watching doesn't do the job people think it does. If you hate the "disney star wars". Just don't watch it and move on from talking about it. It can ruin it for those who do enjoy some of the media.

[muted raven]

The valid critiques could make it so hardcore fans could also enjoy it though

[proud juniper]

Yeah, I get some of the critiques, I have gripes myself

[potent adder]

I think newer fans are also allowed to defend why they like a media and hardcore fans should listen and see how some people can like a current media.

Just because you like the IP longer, doesn't mean your opinion is better than someone who just started getting into it.

[muted raven]

A show for everyone is a show for noone. But here with star wars we kind of all love or like star wars so it is pretty easy to play into what we already like

[proud juniper]

It's good to examine both what you like and don't like about a piece of media. I can often find something I like even if I'm not nuts about it as a whole

[muted raven]

I'll agree there is nuance

[proud juniper]

mmhmm

[muted raven]

ultimately I am more on the side of the older fans

[potent adder]

Yea they can play into what people like, which is why we get more shows like Obi-wan, Ashoka. Playing into characters people love. THen you get complaints its the same old characters and same old stories. If we don't allow shows to experiement and try new things. Its just going to be the same old things that eventually will get boring.

[muted raven]

I agree wholeheartedly

[muted raven]

Well in my case it is more about the stories told and presented than the characters that they fail at

Andor was and is a breath of fresh air because it is a character we know, but a story that was well presented and rightly widely praised

[proud juniper]

Andor is their best show so far, yes

[muted raven]

when a show gets more criticism than praise (even if some is just dumb hate), I do think the creators need to look over what they did and wonder why the criticism is there

waving off criticism as some dumb hate or ignoring it and saying your new thing is perfect is creatively stupid

[potent adder]

I don't think anyone here is doing that and youre just assuming whats happening behind the scenes.

[muted raven]

I am currently speaking more broadly about the Star Wars IP as a whole

but yeah that is a different discussion than for this channel I suppose

New episode is on... tuesday?

[bright sierra]

depends on timezone

[proud juniper]

ye

Season finale Tuesday 9PM EST

[muted raven]

Im in CEST so yeah still tuesday

I just wanna say that I love how there are multiple perspectives here. We disagree on things but in the end I think it makes everyone better because we understand each other better, at least it helps me.

So thanks guys for... being different?

[idle fossil]

You mean decent human beings who can hold an argument or debate while disagreeing but still being respectful of each other’s viewpoints?

That’s called being normal.

[proud juniper]

Yeah, we can agree to disagree without name-calling or rage

[idle fossil]

But that normalcy has been replaced by hatred at the simplest disagreement

[proud juniper]

some people can only rage

[idle fossil]

Exactly

[muted raven]

I cannot speak for what is normal because despite how I talk here I am very not normal in other matters

[proud juniper]

Being normal is boring anyway

[muted raven]

like I am WEIRD but the funny kind or good kind I think

[idle fossil]

Except when it comes to that. That type of normalcy I’m ok with

[proud juniper]

yee

[muted raven]

like I mentioned OCs

[idle fossil]

I make them myself. Hell, my name here is an OC

[muted raven]

there is a reason why I have too many characyers in swtor

[proud juniper]

I think we all have at least one OC

given SWTOR altaholism

[muted raven]

altaholism is one way to put it

[idle fossil]

Altaholics Anonymous

[proud juniper]

writes fic furiously

[idle fossil]

Of course Tommen Baratheon has a gold saber crystal

[prime mantle]

Funny, never had that problem. But my POV is that it's a living universe/thing. You can't re-create; the actors are far older (or dead) at this point.

[prime mantle]

Wait, is that the actor who played Tommen?

[idle fossil]

Yup

[idle fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/torbin-the-acolyte-dean-charles-chapman-star-wars-jedi-gif-14542933395982512246

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-got-tommen-gif-5622754

[prime mantle]

dang, glad to see he's getting work.

i want to go back and watch GoT, most of it anyways

[vivid spear]

It's tolate now because most of the actors have moved on, or have aged noticably, but I really wish they had scrapped and redone the final season for GoT.

[idle fossil]

Down to stream it for folks 🙂

[rose zealot]

I just thought of a horrifying prediction for the next episode.

They're going to 'reveal' how Osha and Mae came to be in front of the Council. The mother that escaped is going to infiltrate and spoil that. And before she escapes, because I'm sure she will, she'll drop the Prophecy on the Council and thus retcon the Prophecy date.

[glad monolith]

This is like (spoilers for KOTOR 1): ||Revan's|| random memories in KOTOR 1, Seeing something related to The Acolyte makes me remeber a bad anime

[rose zealot]

[potent adder]

I would reccomend unclicking that button so you can not see the Acolyte channel. If everytime you see something Acolyte related (In the acolyte channel) you remember a bad anime that you so adamently refuse to talk about, yet bring it up.

[ashen spire]

Is the anime blackclover?

[rose zealot]

Why would somebody be traumatized over a shonen like Black Clover?

Anyways this was already asked earlier to be not discussed by the mods. Anime talk goes in #1048794690180366416

[ashen spire]

Episode 2 killed me.

[potent adder]

I was offering a solution to the seeing Acolyte things.

[rose zealot]

Oh yeah i know

I meant in regards to Zelha

[ashen spire]

Sorry, its like the 4th time they have mentioned it here, my brain wishes to know :-:, will use other channel to pester if they do it again

[rose zealot]

XD

[glad monolith]

@ashen spire what made you think that?

give me an argument!

csn you read minds?

[rose zealot]

Oh dear God

[potent adder]

He can give you a arguement in the anime channel

[glad monolith]

I want it here!, because here is where all it began

[potent adder]

He knows better than to talk about it in here because the mods explicitly stated there is the Anime channel for a reason.

[glad monolith]

I need an argument for everything after playing Ace Attorney

https://tenor.com/view/gran-torino-clint-eastwood-eww-gross-yuck-gif-3556262

[idle fossil]

:/ morning all

[idle fossil]

Anyway! Acolyte. Smylo. Cool lightsaber fights. Cool kills. Big wow. "I go meow" cat is cute but also dead. Shelley Duvall passed away. Stranger Things. Boom.

If this word salad doesn't drive away the anime conversation over to another channel, I don't know what does.

Have a wonderful Friday!

[idle fossil]

For the love of all that is holy. HELL no.

[proud juniper]

Yeah, let’s not make things up to be mad at, just so we can be mad something

[rose zealot]

I did make it up. But like i said, it's just a prediction.

They already predicted Anakin and the future of the Jedi and Order 66 in this show anyway.

The Witch did anyhow.

[bright sierra]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/07/02/the-acolytes-new-sith-was-inspired-by-elden-rings-let-me-solo-her/

[misty trout]

@hardy violet yo your bucket costume looks similar af to that

Same inspiration?

[hardy violet]

no, not same, but i was inspired by my playing of elden ring to create it

[misty trout]

Legend

[icy dagger]

i have a problem with the new lightsabers

i dont like them at all

i miss prequel lightsabers

[mental oak]

"new" as in the ones in the Acolyte? ... they are from a totally different era older than the prequels

[verbal lake]

da hell

why isn't he always naked then

[misty trout]

yo so whos excited to see how this all ends now?

[arctic wharf]

Not really

[idle fossil]

We shall see.

We'll see if we end up seeing the twins get flown away by Drogon, taken to Spock, and praised by Gollum.

All to be trained by Darth Jar Jar

https://tenor.com/view/darth-jar-jar-gif-3062122846964429584

[prime mantle]

I think they're secretly Targaryen heirs and will return to claim Westeros.

[proud juniper]

I get the feeling it won’t be a satisfying ending, just an extended tease for s2 the way Ahsoka was but I hope not

[idle fossil]

The one difference is Ahsoka had a bit more on the "satisfaction" front.

It definitely felt like a total setup for a new season or a movie though, that's for sure.

The Acolyte though... we shall see.

[proud juniper]

Abeloth might be fun as long as they make her gross as hell like she should be

[vivid spear]

They'll probably change her to be a misunderstood abused spouse. and flip the narrative to make the father, daughter, and son the real bad guys all along.

[idle fossil]

I'm soooo glad they're going in the Abeloth side of things.

[idle fossil]

No. I think that's just intentionally wanting them to do badly.

It is absolutely impossible to redeem Abeloth.

At most, give her a fake, beautiful visage, only to reveal who she really is after some time.

[vivid spear]

Real question is, without legends Luke becoming the Avatar of Light to defeat her....how will they defeat her?

[idle fossil]

THAT is the true question.

[vivid spear]

canon Luke's dead.

[rose zealot]

Initially, Leslie was not sure about a season 2. But by the end of her last interview, or the one before that i forget, she seems like she was really wanting to push for it. And seems to, for sure, want it to be able Plageius and a younger Palpatine.

I'm sorry, but I'm not confident in her abilities.

[idle fossil]

Not at that point.

Ahsoka is taking place during/around the time of Mando.

Canon Luke's not dead yet. This is all before Episode 7

[vivid spear]

Canon living Luke's either teaching new students in fully chronicled adventures, or hiding on an island feeling sad though.

[idle fossil]

Currently teaching/building his academy.

[vivid spear]

So probably won't help then, as we've seen Disney's timeline for him is him literally spending decades doing that and trying to train Kylo later.

OOh, this is already giving me a migraine, I guess Ahsoka or maybe force ghost Anakin will have to do the avatar of light or something similar to win.

I do think if Force Ghost Anakin is sticking around instead of fading away like he did in legends, he probably could defeat Abeloth, just not sure how he would.

[rose zealot]

A Force Ghost being able to do something against Abeloth would be a sin imo. Maybe slow her or interrupt her for all but an instant, but actually cause her trouble otherwise? I don't know.

[idle fossil]

I don't know what'll happen, but I don't think we should go into it expecting the worst.

That kind of thinking is why people outside of the Star Wars fandom consider the SW fandom to be just as, if not more toxic than the League of Legends fandom.

I'm not anyone to tell others how to think, but I would like to impart advice based on what I believe - rightfully or wrongfully - to be right. Let's have an open mind and see where things go. When we end up critiquing something, let's critique it based on the content without being malicious, and also do NOT target showrunners/actors. We're consumers of the media they're putting out, let's critique it fairly. ^_^

And I want to make it clear, not saying ANYONE here is remotely like that.

[proud juniper]

Open mind?! Open MIND?!?!!

Perish the thought

[idle fossil]

YEAH! OPEN

OH MY GOD, OPEN!

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-were-open-gif-22335012

Like, I won't deny I feel quite a bit of Disney SW content has been underwhelming, but it's not reason to give up hope and expect the worst before anything even comes out, you know?

[proud juniper]

Legends was a mixed bag, Disney's a mixed bag /shrug

[idle fossil]

Mando had its highs, but also lows. Ahsoka had good qualities. Andor was slow but really picked up. The sequel trilogy has been mixed.

EXACTLY

Not everything in Legends was perfect or great.

[proud juniper]

I need to read the silly stuff for shits and giggles

[idle fossil]

There's a lot of very... peculiar things in Legends.

[proud juniper]

The Glove of Darth Vader and whatnot

[idle fossil]

A buff Hutt.

Enough said.

[proud juniper]

I don't mind the buff Hutt, that's pretty hilarious

[idle fossil]

It is

Sorry if I wasn't clear. That was silly/hilarious.

[prime mantle]

and then there was Kenobi.. 😄

I mean "The adventures of young Leia"

[proud juniper]

Kenobi was ehhh

but Leia's my girl

[prime mantle]

Kenobi was good, but hindered (in my mind) by the fact that any and all action scenes were meaningless. Every character has plot armor.

[icy dagger]

yes

i dont like the graphics

at all

i did when lightsabers were definitive colors

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-star-wars-anakin-vs-count-dooku-lightsaber-dual-count-dooku-gif-22357467

as someone who grew up with the prequels

these dont feel right

like i dont like this at all

i also hope they bring back, wide camera fights

[icy dagger]

one of the reasons i like swtor so much

is because the lightsabers remind me of the prequels

[mental oak]

I grew up on the original ones love all the eras but I love more that they are not identical in all the eras... high republic and old republic have thier own esthetic as it should be given thouseands of years seperate them from the movies

[icy dagger]

im talking about lightstick not hilt

prequel and swtor are very close in my opinion in lightsaber laser

[bright sierra]

prequels sabers are 99% cgi thats why they look like that

[icy dagger]

yeah they need to stop using neopixel

https://tenor.com/view/teamwork-star-wars-darth-maul-gif-9322029

cgi better

ngl

they forgot to add a title

YOOOOOOOOO

sol is liu kang from mortal kombat

SOL IS A DIRTY LITTLE TRAKATA CHEATER BTW

lmao hes dead

[rose zealot]

I've just been observing Theory's chat. They're spamming L's for the last 14 minutes. Apparently the Kyber Crystal was the final straw.

For his chat.

[icy dagger]

based

i hate the new lightsaber movement

i miss whenever they had good looking trails

should have given osha sith eyes whenever she killed sol

missed opportunity ig

[rose zealot]

So wait... Wait wait... Did they just cover up the existence of a Sith and blame it on Sol? Is that what happened?

[icy dagger]

yep

to quote SWT

she tarnished her friends legacy to cover up the sith so it goes with george lucas' canon

[rose zealot]

And Vernestra who is the most obvious Jedi "villain" ever lied to Yoda's face about it? So now Yoda's either incompetent, or complicit too? Omfg

[icy dagger]

yoda can sense jedi dying btw

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-dies-inside-dead-hurt-gif-10373479

not in this show!!!

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-meme-i-sense-much-fear-in-you-gif-10611849

and can sense feelings

so if vernestra yaps to yoda and lies and he doesnt sense it

honestly the only thing i like about this show is qimir

i want to see him with a real siths lightsaber

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lightsaber-revenge-of-the-sith-mace-windu-palpatine-gif-25924750

not some washed out red colored lightsaber

[ashen spire]

I dont think yoda is that good at Sensing when somone is lying.

[icy dagger]

he can sense feelings though so wouldnt that include the turmoil in vernestra

[rose zealot]

This show should have just been a Sith, or two, maybe barely predating Plagueis or so, rummaging through the Core Worlds and barely evading detection by the Jedi. The show we got was dogcrap the entire time from where i stand. At best, it was a 3/10, and that's because it got a +2 from good choreography, which was the honest highlight of the show.

[icy dagger]

i would give it a 4/10

i liked the fist combat choreography

and +1 for qimir

[ashen spire]

You can chalk that up to alot of folk dying under her command though to be fair.

[icy dagger]

but then who killed all the jedi in episode 5

sol?

why would sol do that theres no way yoda is falling for this 😭

[ashen spire]

Yoda kinda dumb my man, have you seen the movies?

xD

[potent adder]

They were setting up for that in the following episode. Where she was walking with her padawan and like he was like "only someone powerful could have done this" and were talking about Sol

[rose zealot]

Let's not even tempt the idea that a bunch of people dead in Jedi grounds is sketch anyway. A Jedi Master murdering a bunch of people is so absurd that Yoda would have checked those video files and learned the truth anyway.

[rose zealot]

How is he kind of dumb in the movies??

[icy dagger]

remember in episode 2 when anakin was killing all the tuskens

and yoda could sense it

not specifically what was happening

but pain, death, strong feelings

[rose zealot]

And it's not like Yoda even had a terribly strong bond to Anakin either. Yoda's force perception is just insane.

[icy dagger]

people underestimate 900 year old jedi

https://tenor.com/view/attack-of-the-clones-star-wars-yoda-count-dooku-lightsaber-gif-25924873

[icy dagger]

this not even prime yoda

[rose zealot]

Yeah I'm sorry, there's just no way that Vernestra, who is insanely transparent, is lying to Yoda's face and that story sticks.

[icy dagger]

i enjoyed the back of yodas head this episode

😭

[rose zealot]

Oh, this episode also introduced mid-battle mind wipe... smfh

[icy dagger]

i hope season 2 doesnt add anything new

[rose zealot]

In battle, at the height of your alertness, just get mind wiped.

[icy dagger]

like something that would be anything significant to the lore of star wars

just focus on osha and qimir relationship and training

[rose zealot]

Darth Plageuis introduced, and since his tiny cameo was him peeping on Osha/Mae's existence, he probably gained inspiration for his life's research of manipulating the Force from their existence

[icy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-sith-qimir-osha-lightsaber-gif-7097757471803714323

LMAO

SOMEONE MADE THIS A GIF

[potent adder]

So if you didnt like season 1, does this mean you wont watch season 2? If there is one.

[icy dagger]

there probably wont be

if there is one im gonna watch it for qimir

hes the only decent character

[potent adder]

sounds about right

hates show but will support it when season 2. Makes sense

[icy dagger]

they should have made qimir the main character

i would rather see his story

honestly

[icy dagger]

i dont pay for my disney +

[proud juniper]

We can only hope

lmao

[icy dagger]

instead of qimir getting whipped being a side story it should have been the main story

[rose zealot]

Me? Of course i won't. I didn't even watch season 1. I'm just well informed because info about this dumpster fire travels at light speed.

[potent adder]

So youre complaining about a show you havent even watched

x d

[proud juniper]

Who needs to form an opinion about something when someone else can watch it for you and tell you what to think about it?

[rose zealot]

And yet i know every single detail about. Let that sink in.

[icy dagger]

i watched show

i can confirm

qimir should have been main character

no ones attacking me what the fuck cmon guys

😢

[rose zealot]

Nobody formed my opinions for me, or told me what to think. @proud juniper that's just a hilariously bad argument. Critical thinking exists for a reason.

[icy dagger]

my opinions are selfmade

[rose zealot]

Yeah, but don't let anybody inform you of the happenings of a show detail by detail without subjective opinion so you can form your own, lol. You'll apparently be influenced by their non-stated subjective opinions that haven't been made known.

[icy dagger]

yeah somehow osha and mae are the same person

but the little kid versions look completely different

[proud juniper]

I just think it's kind of strange to not even watch a show, but then start saying how crap it is

[icy dagger]

ive never watched BOBF

and can confirm its crap

[icy dagger]

how do you feel about the new lightsabers

[proud juniper]

Not particularly strongly, lightsabers are cool, don't see what's so wrong with these

[rose zealot]

I read the show. I don't need to watch it.
I heard the show. I don't need to watch it.

Like, i know what happened. I'm even saying the fight choreography is good, I've seen the fights at the very least. But this plot is bad, the story isn't good, the writing flips and turns on it self even mere moments after it just established something.

For instance, Sol is told to stand down by Indara, relaying the Council's directive that they've become more involved than necessary or welcome. Torbin's analysis of the sister's "m-count" comes back and it triggers his Hero Syndrome (which we know he has from his little bit from the camp talk around the fire), so he rushes off to go capture Osha/Mae to bring them before the Council. Meaning he gets off the planet so that he can go on to do "actually useful or great things", implying his sheer lack of interest in a possible vergence of the Force, or just the botanical mission he was granted as the Apprentice to Indara. Either way...

Sol appears to be relenting, denied now even by the Council to pursue this further. But Torbin takes off and he goes after Torbin to bring him back to camp, Indara prodding him to go after Torbin as well.

Well, they get there, and then Sol just forgets he is supposed to apprehend Torbin right now and bring him back and just decides to infiltrate with him instead.

[icy dagger]

this is my problem

[proud juniper]

motion blur?

[icy dagger]

the colors are mixing heavily together

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-star-wars-anakin-vs-count-dooku-lightsaber-dual-count-dooku-gif-22357467

this is better

[icy dagger]

I KNOW WHAT THIS REMINDS ME OF

AN RGB LIGHTSABER

i miss the completely clear outline of lightsabers

[proud juniper]

If I never saw The Empire Strikes Back, and said I could confirm it was a piece of crap, would I be right?

[ashen spire]

Correct

Fucken looks old

[idle fossil]

Now that potential Plagueis shot was the DEFINITION of bait.

[rose zealot]

You're funny dude.

[proud juniper]

[potent adder]

ITS aging

[icy dagger]

true

[idle fossil]

They could've tried to pull something focusing on that, but noooo

[proud juniper]

Plagueis be sneakin'

[potent adder]

it does look old lol.

[idle fossil]

The episode was better than the last one, I'll give it that.

[icy dagger]

you can believe whatever you want to believe

[idle fossil]

And again, better lightsaber choreography than the Sequels.

I can understand them covering it up. Typical Jedi.

[icy dagger]

i think the cover up is very forced

[idle fossil]

But other than that, this episode did try, but ultimately failed to do the one thing a season finale must do: build anticipation for a next season.

[proud juniper]

idk, I wanna see Plagueis and junk

[icy dagger]

not exposing literal sith because of "political enemies" is crazy

[idle fossil]

I'd love that too

[icy dagger]

i wanna see qimir vs green baldy

[idle fossil]

That's what I was expecting

I was hoping Vernestra would fight or be revealed as THE Sith.

[proud juniper]

Seems confirmed that he was her Padawan

[idle fossil]

But now that we know Plagueis, or whoever else that was, is present.

[icy dagger]

she said it

[idle fossil]

Now we know the answer.

[icy dagger]

plus she also whipped that mf 😭

[bright sierra]

just finished the last episode

disgusting treatment to the show's best character

[icy dagger]

literally

[bright sierra]

my hands were on my head from disappointment the entire 2nd half of the episode

[proud juniper]

She didn't say it was Qimir directly, she said she needed help tracking down her pupil that fell to evil

[icy dagger]

if you seen a witch absorbing a child you wouldnt think to kill the witch???

[proud juniper]

but all signs point to him

[bright sierra]

youre telling me i waited for 8 episodes just for

https://tenor.com/view/switching-sides-cod-gif-18423967619894991476

between osha and mae

[icy dagger]

didnt whenever she land

she sensed qimir

[bright sierra]

the contrivences this show was littered with was insane

[proud juniper]

"It's you, you've alive" Yes, it's implied, but not overtly stated is my point

[icy dagger]

vernestra ruining sols legacy was

bad

[bright sierra]

i get the jedi covering it up, they tend to do that

[proud juniper]

Yeah she's uhh...a tricky one

[bright sierra]

but how osha just flips on him for no reason

is ridiculous

[icy dagger]

the only thing bad that sol has done is

be kind of creepy

with osha

[proud juniper]

He let his attachment(s) get the better of him

[icy dagger]

they met and in 5 minutes

bro was like

yep thats my padawan and im incredibly attached already

[rose zealot]

Which is why i question why he's even a Jedi Knight. Master is beyond Sol's training displayed.

[proud juniper]

I don't think Osha flipped for no reason, she was pissed off that Sol killed Mother Aniseya but NEVER TOLD HER for like 16 years

[icy dagger]

lets just be honest here

anakin solos the whole show

[proud juniper]

ehh, even Masters can make mistakes

[icy dagger]

i dont think anyone in the show

learned the jedi code

[bright sierra]

bro aniseya had it coming with the complete nonsense she pulled seconds before her death

it aint even sols fault

[rose zealot]

They can make mistakes i won't say they can't, but come onnnn

[icy dagger]

sol would be perfect for the dark side

hes got so much emotion

[proud juniper]

We still don't know what Aniseya was trying to do with that smoke form thing, maybe she was trying to meld with Mae temporarily so they could zoom on over to Osha to rescue her

[icy dagger]

dont use dark magic and you wont get stabbed

[bright sierra]

^

[proud juniper]

you could say both sides made mistakes

[bright sierra]

how is sol gonna know what it does

[proud juniper]

Sol panicked, thinking she would hurt the kid

[icy dagger]

anyone would have done that

[rose zealot]

Sol's defining moment as a Jedi Master was unironically trying to mentor Torbin about the importance of the planet regaining life and why they are on mission there. Which is unironically also a failure of Indara as his mentor. She didn't do crap for Torbin. How did she get an Apprentice

Imo.

[bright sierra]

the last time he showed up to their place and magic was used, Torbin was trippin his head off

[icy dagger]

sol dies innocent bro did nothing

[bright sierra]

why wouldnt sol get defensive if force magic is being used again

[icy dagger]

maybe dont be in a cult using dark magic and you wont get stabbed

[proud juniper]

Yeah, but she did release Torbin and he seemed largely unharmed afterwards

allegedly

[icy dagger]

bro was floating for like 10 years for what

being a hero????

[rose zealot]

Tbf, i think that Leslie defended the scene saying something like, "she was trying to turn herself and Mae in to the Force, but in a way that would not kill them." I think she was trying to Force-relocate the both of them, but it looked soooo evil nobody can blame Sol.

[proud juniper]

I'm kinda surprised the Jedi didn't draw their sabers upon her possessing him, they showed a lot of restraint in that instance

[proud juniper]

True, it looked spooky, so you can understand Sol getting antsy

[potent adder]

He was floating and in lifelong meditation probably because he felt guilty for what happened on brendok.

[proud juniper]

Yeah, that was from guilt, not from his possession

[icy dagger]

floating for 10 years becaue he wanted to go home early

yodas teachings fell off ngl

[proud juniper]

But Masterrrr, I wanna go back to Coruscannnnnnnt

[potent adder]

Because his emotions and impulsiveness led to a lot of death

[icy dagger]

nah he a hero

[bright sierra]

i honestly wanted to have liked this series all the way but the last two episodes have left me feeling empty as hell

[icy dagger]

helped wipe out a darkside force cult

[proud juniper]

I have gripes but I wanna see where it goes

[bright sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-packwatch-star-wars-ahsoka-shin-gif-13860555354583107258

smokin on that aniseya pack

[rose zealot]

After Torbin was mind controlled, once they get back to the ship Indara and Torbin break away from one another like they just had some secret talk. Why couldn't we see him being mentored or consoled? It just made it look like she berated him or something in my eyes.

[proud juniper]

More like Shin HOTTY

[bright sierra]

i just wanna see what they wanna do with plagueis

[proud juniper]

Same

[bright sierra]

my wife 💯 💯

[icy dagger]

how old is plagueis

[bright sierra]

in a perfect world its a time skip to when plagueis is training palpatine and osha has reached the peak of her power, and palpatine just smokes her

[icy dagger]

isnt he supposed to be like 15

[bright sierra]

i need her gone after this horrifying display in the last episode

[bright sierra]

i'd say hes at least 20 as of the acolyte

[rose zealot]

People are saying he's either up to 20 years old rn, or -20. Idk.

[icy dagger]

hes 20

wheres tenebrous

how tf is there 4 sith

well 3 sith +1 in training

[rose zealot]

Yeah, apparently Theory called that out lol

I was not even thinking about that

[proud juniper]

'cause they like to party

[bright sierra]

rival factions i hope

[proud juniper]

could be

[icy dagger]

idk plagueis seemed to be chilling on that planet

i doubt tenebrous would allow plagueis to train qimir to be a sith

[rose zealot]

I'd of seriously just liked a different story. Seriously, a Sith Acolyte that is traveling around the Core Worlds, assassinating force users, trying to find an apprentice to use to rise above their own Master, and avoiding Jedi notice.

[icy dagger]

hed have to rise above 2 masters

tenebrous and plagueis

[proud juniper]

Maybe we'll see that in another season

[icy dagger]

i think they should restart

and make the show about qimir

[rose zealot]

Well, they could have gone back even further than 87-100 years. It doesn't need to be this close to established or Legends lore.

[icy dagger]

training as a jedi, how he fell, his training as a sith

ending up killing vernestra

[proud juniper]

Bazil is a secret Sith

[icy dagger]

someone needs to cut his head off

im tired of him

[rose zealot]

Why do we even need that thing to track force users

[proud juniper]

"that thing" lol harsh

[rose zealot]

Is a Fobb not a thing rn? Does force detection not work? 😭

I don't recall his species, mb.

[icy dagger]

no

the only person who can sense anything is

[bright sierra]

bazil feels like hes just there to become a marketable plushie

[proud juniper]

Tynnan I believe

[icy dagger]

vernestra when arrived on the planet

[proud juniper]

but yeah, he's there for toys

[bright sierra]

and yet i have not seen a single toy

sad

[proud juniper]

I still like him

[icy dagger]

they tried to make a mini yoda

https://tenor.com/view/grogu-star-wars-mandalorian-baby-yoda-gif-21008340

[bright sierra]

he was ok he just didnt pull his weight much

[proud juniper]

Grogu I am tired of, oh well

[icy dagger]

grogus cute

[bright sierra]

nah Grogu is at least contributing something

bazil is just in spectator mode

[icy dagger]

bazil is NOT cute

[proud juniper]

I like otters, I guess

[rose zealot]

People in Theory's chat are spamming timestamp 12:59 saying that Palpatine was on the phone?

[proud juniper]

hmmm

[icy dagger]

kind of

just old man i think

[proud juniper]

I'll pull it up again

ohhh shit, that does sound a little like Sheev

big if true

[rose zealot]

Jeeze

If he's actually around right now, is he 100 in ep1? Jesus

[proud juniper]

Wouldn't surprise me if he's old as shit

[rose zealot]

I mean, i guess it makes sense for him to be old as dirt since he was aware of Sifo-Dyas's clone army and all.

But visibly he looked maybe 60-70?

[proud juniper]

The dark side is a pathway to abilities...yeah, you know how it goes

[rose zealot]

Lol

[icy dagger]

wouldnt that mean hes like 130 in return of the jedi

[rose zealot]

115-120 i think?

But somewhere in that range yeah

[icy dagger]

well if we say hes 100 in ep 1

episode 1-3 is 13 years

the empire lasted 23 years right?

[bright sierra]

sheev was born 84bby

[icy dagger]

nuh uh

[bright sierra]

doubt thats him on the phone

[icy dagger]

not if leslye wants to change it

[bright sierra]

😔

this ones likely gonna be much harder to retcon than ki adi mundi tbh

fan speculation tends to be wrong a lot of the time so i doubt thats sheev

[icy dagger]

i predicted osha and qimir

love

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-sith-qimir-osha-lightsaber-gif-7097757471803714323

my prediction was based on this ^^^^^^^

[rose zealot]

I think we all predicted that lol.

[bright sierra]

yuh

[rose zealot]

And plenty of us prayed it was not going to be true

[icy dagger]

i uhh!!!

also predicted qimir being vernestras apprentice

[bright sierra]

yeah a few people did

[potent adder]

Where was there a mid battle mind wipe? I just watched the episode and the only mind wipe was mid hug. I didnt know hugs were mid battle

Also "she lied to yoda" all she said was "master we gotta talk" we have no idea what is being said lol

[rose zealot]

Oh that wasn't in a battle?

[potent adder]

No

[rose zealot]

My b

[potent adder]

it was Qimir wiping Mae's brain when she was hugging Osha goodbye. They set Mae up to hid Qimir and everything

you would uh, know this if you watched the episode

[rose zealot]

And how can you not assume that she perpetuates a lie to Yoda after everything that just went down, and knowing that the standing opinion is that there is still unparalleled peace in the Republic going forward?

[bright sierra]

yodas in on whatever nonsense vernestra told the senate

[potent adder]

I mean you can assume all you want. We dont know what happens in that room lol. She walks up and goes "Sorry master we gotta talk" yall made it out to seem like there was a whole ass convo that happened

[bright sierra]

hes the only one that can actually make sense out of it

since hes got the years of experience in the force

[proud juniper]

Yoda's pretty chill at this point, he's not all kooky like on Dagobah

[bright sierra]

yeh

season 2 yoda beheading osha and qimir 🙏

[proud juniper]

she probably would tell him the truth but we don't know yet

[rose zealot]

N2m you know the type of person Vernestra is by that point of time. You think she's about to have an honest discussion with Yoda and detail all of the issues that happened during this show to him? Hell naw.

[bright sierra]

hell yea cause vernestra has no idea what shes doing anymore

and yodas the only one who can probably give her the guidance she needs

[potent adder]

I mean, the point is. We dont know whats being said. Like you can hate the show, hate the episode. But you cannot hate it for the thing thats not actually being shown and just purely based off assumption.

[bright sierra]

we'll wait and see in season 2

[potent adder]

And then like claim it so strongly I assumed it actually happened lol

[rose zealot]

It's called making inferences.

[icy dagger]

i really dont like oshas actor

[bright sierra]

she was ok up till episode 5 tbh

i didnt like her as mae, but she was nice as osha

[icy dagger]

i dont like how she acts

or her as a person

[bright sierra]

but then after ep 5 it went downhill sadly

but thats a writing issue

[potent adder]

Oh and I guess since I did finish the show. I rate it like a 6/10. I enjoyed it, there were some low points but it was an entertaining watch.

[bright sierra]

probably like a 3 or a 4 for me sadly

[proud juniper]

6 or 7ish perhaps

[bright sierra]

i was hoping the last 2 episodes would at leat help maintain the 6 or 7 score

but they brought it down really hard

im happy that the people who liked it had an alright time watching it

but unfortunately that wasnt the case for me

[misty trout]

Hey guys, havent watched final episode

Is it worth watching ?

Did they pull a miracle and make a decent show or just fuck it up further?

[icy dagger]

i hope whatever leslye spent 180 million dollars on

[bright sierra]

depends who you ask

i'd say the latter

[icy dagger]

it was worth it

[bright sierra]

179 million to lee jung jae fr

[proud juniper]

the goat

[icy dagger]

trinity

[bright sierra]

1 mil on everything else

[icy dagger]

800k for trinity

[misty trout]

Who?

[icy dagger]

indara

[rose zealot]

They really want me to believe that fire can travel along electrical wiring

[misty trout]

Who even was that

[bright sierra]

carrie ann moss i think her name was

shes in matrix

[bright sierra]

with keanu reeves

ye her

[misty trout]

Oh her

[rose zealot]

Torbin's Master.

Jedi Master Matrix

[icy dagger]

carrie ann moss doesnt exist

just trinity

[bright sierra]

if you say so

[misty trout]

Ok imma go watch this now

[icy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-trinity-gif-11734261

[icy dagger]

how come the jedi in this show are so weak

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-star-wars-episode1-the-phantom-menace-phantom-menace-star-wars-phantom-menace-gif-25768840

[light flower]

what a PERPLEXING FINALE

the only thing I'm unsure about is the whole turning the crystal red from her darkness? idk what that was about

other thanm that p cool

[potent adder]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bleeding

[misty trout]

Yeahh

Well

That was quite smth

[wide orchid]

Let's gooooooooooooooooo

[proud juniper]

yee

it's ya boy

[light flower]

[misty trout]

wait when did this happen?

[wide orchid]

last night

(i'm european, so yesterday there was a premiere of new acolyte episode)

[vivid spear]

I'm glad that's over, I will say at least Qimir's lightsaber design makes sense, in legends Luke made something similar Lightsaber with shoto combo specifically to counter a lightwhip. It would appear Qimir is preparing to eventually settle that score. and I appreciate them not spelling it out, holding my hand, and drawing a picture so that I "get it".

[ashen spire]

I mean the truth isn't that bad. Hey i lied to the senate, i believe my old padawan Q has gone to the darkside and taken osha. Mae has been mind wiped but we may be able to use her.

Only sol and osha heard Q said he was a sith and Sol is dead and osha is his new acolyte.

[idle fossil]

Rule of Two would dictate that both Osha and Qimir would be dead before they even left that island. The hell does he even care to hide from a pair of walking corpses? Then that ending. Guess Osha and Qimir waited on the beach for him to skulk back out and murder them both?

[ashen spire]

Plagy isnt a big fan of the rule of 2 though.

[idle fossil]

The book is unfortunately not canon. So Rule of Two would still be in effect.

[ashen spire]

I mean most sith arnt. Nerds break that rule all the time

[idle fossil]

This is true. The Rule of Two was both fantastic and also... why'd they even create this rule?

[ashen spire]

Dooku broke it with ventress and savage. Plap breaks it with his inquisition.

[idle fossil]

It's both.

[vivid spear]

The rule has more strengths than weaknesses, mainly it was the best way Bane could see to not stop the inevitable betrayal, but insure that when it happens, only the stronger of the two would succeed, in most cases, thereby insuring his vision continues onward to success.

As for the inquisitor's the rule of two was created to focus the sith on destroying the jedi and ruling the galaxy, Palpatine succeeded on that and no longer was required to worry about hiding from jedi or plotting to kill them, it was free reign for the darkside at that point.

The only one who really broke the rule was Dooku, and he paid for that in the end, Palpatine even got involved in curbing Maul's rivalry with his own powerbase.

[muted raven]

Oh my, this depiction of bleeding the kyber crystal had NONE of the effort and power I would imagine it would have needed. Since in every other depiction, it requires so much focus, because you are bending it to your will.

This one was just... effortless. The bleeding was a simple byproduct of being angry and filled with hate.

[fathom moat]

Different interpretations of the concept...

[idle fossil]

If a second season is approved, I hope it confirms whether or not that was Plagueis (despite most of us being certain it is). I hope we get a confrontation between Qimir and Vernestra, I hope we get into Jedi politics - whether that be internal politics or the Senate getting involved and there being friction between the Senate and the Jedi, either is fine - and of course, actual Sith training.

In my opinion, the show wasn't great. It wasn't even good. However, it did have good qualities/moments. Great ones even. But as a whole, the season was unfortunately lacking in substance. Definitely the best lightsaber/fight choreography since the Prequels -I'll even throw TLJ in there as an honorable mention in terms of the choreography - but that isn't enough to save what is probably one of Disney's most underwhelming SW projects to date. I tried very hard to like it, but sadly the cons outweigh the pros.

[muted raven]

Sure!
In my opinion a terrible one. Because as I said there is no effort in it. The bleeding is a simple byproduct and not a big deal as it has been shown to be in every other material. So this interpretation would then be inconsistent.

[muted raven]

I wish Qimir would have used his Cortosis in the final battle. Since that material is just too good in a duel to not use

[ashen spire]

I definitely lean towards the show being Mid. A 5/10 for me. Mind you i enjoyed it. Just some things bother me as well. Will i watch a season 2 if it comes out? Yes.

[idle fossil]

Same here

Like I said the things that were good, were good. And the great things speak for themselves.

[wide orchid]

acolyte in a nutshell is
sol - good
qimir - good
rest - bad

vernestra - mid, because she had like 5 minutes of screentime

[mighty arrow]

Nah, there is a difference between learning some basic dark side stuff and being truly instructed in the secrets of the sith

not that they ever really show what that difference is

[rose zealot]

Dooku didn't break the rule of two though. Ventress was not a Sith, she was just a dark-side user assassin, who i think was up for becoming an actual apprentice? If I'm not mistaking it.

[next arrow]

That's such a ridiculous delineation and as you say, we have no idea what meaningful difference that even is.

[icy dagger]

isnt basic dark side stuff

sith stuff

[mighty arrow]

Nah, one doesnt have to be a sith to use the dark side

For example shooting lightning is a sith technique

[idle fossil]

Big difference between a Sith and an untrained/trained Dark Side user. One is a religious zealot. the other is not. Same goes for Light Side and Jedi.

Sith and Jedi are religions with the potential to be militaristic.

[vapid fog]

Stupid jedi

You do not let your guard down

To be fair Qimir kinda got his behind kicked

Sol was superior

[icy dagger]

no its ot

not

https://tenor.com/view/darth-rey-lightning-dark-side-gif-19316861

[light gale]

There were many different types of force lightning.

Electric judgment for example, was an inherently light-sided technique.

[mighty arrow]

well it used to be before shitty writing

[icy dagger]

this is not electric judgment

[light gale]

Not saying it is.

I’m just giving another example of why lightning isn’t inherently a Sith technique.

[mighty arrow]

Like I said

shitty writing

it was clearly intended to be in the original films

[icy dagger]

isnt that legends

electric judgement

[light gale]

Yes it is I think.

[icy dagger]

until the acolyte decides they want to use it

nothing is safe

[light gale]

I’d be surprised honestly if a season 2 is greenlit after the sheer amount of backlash this season received.

I’d be happy with a season 2 tbf if they can make it better.

But I’m unsure if they’d take that risk.

[muted raven]

it would be fine if they use it knowing what it implies. I don't like it when they show untrained characters doing advanced techniques. It is a very cheap way to say "look this person is powerful" but in doing so diminishing the importance of it being hard to do.

[muted raven]

Rey doing this, on a whim without even intending to, is bad writing

[icy dagger]

sol kinda reminds me of nomen karr

[vapid fog]

sort of

[icy dagger]

except sol doesnt deserve to die

bro did nothing

[vapid fog]

He lied and dropped his guard

[icy dagger]

if youve never lied

you can throw the first stone

[vapid fog]

he should not have dropped his guard

that is how you get force chocked to death

[bright sierra]

i did get an interesting perspective that Sol just accepted death as punishment for what he did wrong

or rather for what he felt he did wrong

he just let her do it out of guilt for his actions

that justifies it a little bit but still something just feels off about the way they killed him off i cant put my finger on it

and honestly, i dont care to i'd like to just move on from this series now

if you enjoy it, good for you, if you didnt, we just gotta cope and hope the next project satisfies us

[misty trout]

yeah felt the same ngl

would explain why he never even defended himself

still ngl, i felt this show was fine but now i absolutely hate it

its a story that never needed to be said, writing convoluted crap of a story creating unnecessary plot holes to only then "fix" them, the killed off and did dirty the only redeemable character Sol( besides Jecki but I only liked her cuz she seems nice, besides that she's boring too ) and make him seem like a crook, more hiding stuff when its the obviously the worst thing to do

Now they bring in Yoda too which makes it worse.

The lightsaber duels ofc were quite well done but in this episode the lightsabers look like shit ngl( the fight was good, how the sabers looked tho was bad) , the bleeding was fun to see as I had written my own fanfiction ages ago where Styrak did that to my jedi consular's shoto blade and ik others have done that too but it was actually rlly fun to see

also as someone mentioned here, giving Osha sith eyes is a missed opportunity

Personally now seeing that big Hego is to come for S2, personally i don't want to see him and Palpatine being written and directed ( especially dialogue moreso that story ) by this crew

its a series that tries imo, to create mystery and fails to acknowledge that they're not doing it the right way to begin

Why is Vesnestra so secrative? what made Qimir turn? Why is that one senator being so nosy ? How the fuck did Yoda not immediately feel the death of so many Jedi to a dark side presence? How can u blame all the jedi deaths on Master Sol when the first Jedi master was killed in a public cantina by an assassin( or maybe the blaming was just for the ones where Kelnacca was ( maybe that's me misunderstanding)). What does Sol now mean when Osha and Mae are the same person? Why did he never tell anyone that theory?

Why are Mae and Osha now completely acting like each other with Osha being the aggressor and Mae being more patient and having restrain( yes we get the black/white robes thing) ?

Too many questions to the point where it feels lesser so that they're trying to create mystery and more that its going towards we didn't think that through, lets leave it for the fans to interpret whatever they want

[bright sierra]

Vernestra is blaming Sol for it as a cover up to the senate

Shes not willing to send the republic into a panic by telling them that theres sith around

[proud juniper]

If Sol was meant to take the blame for Indara or Torbin or whoever, Vern could just argue he sent an assassin

Sol came to the conclusion that Mae and Osha were one consciousness split into two people back in that “m-count” scene. If that’s true, that could be why they act erratically and/or eventually settle on the same wavelength of behavior towards the end. Because they’re not “normal” in a sense

[glad olive]

I think he means the special effects

The most egregious sight was in Kenobi where the lightsabers looked like toys

[vivid spear]

lightsaber flash bangs.

[bright sierra]

Welp there are in fact plans for a second season

[wide abyss]

Kinda crazy they're all over the place now that I think about it.

Thrawn and Plagueis have now been introduced, Two completely different eras
Wish they were a bit more linear with there canon storytelling, but I get it, appeal to a larger audience.
I have a feeling Skywalkers are going to pop up again in the near future

Mixed feelings on the show as a whole. Sol's death was a shocker. Not sure how im feeling about the whole Stranger and Osha storyline.

+100 Aura for Yoda cameo

[bright sierra]

Luke is defos showing up in that thrawn movie

[icy dagger]

nah -100 because if this was real.star wars yoda woulda sensed all of this

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-disturbance-in-the-force-sad-sadge-sadness-gif-26043580

[wide abyss]

Bro Yoda couldnt even sense Palpatine when he stood next to him

[icy dagger]

yeah because he wasnt do anything

remember when he could sense anakin on Tatooine when he was killing all of the tuskens

in episode 2

"pain, suffering, death i feel"

"young skywalker is in pain, terrible pain"

[real oracle]

So

Darth fucking plagueis

[icy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/herbert-the-pervert-family-guy-gif-20094144

plagueis in the final episode

[restive niche]

I preferred this show over the Obi-wan one at least, despite it's flaws

biggest issue is the whole idiot ball on not tipping off the Senate

It's very difficult to believe that the threat of some "external review" by some dumbass Senator who's clearly never read a single history book past his century (Jedi "snapping"? No shit someone falls to the Dark Side sooner or later, you still want the Jedi around!) is enough to decide reporting to the Senate that someone's killing off Jedi Masters

[icy dagger]

I don’t like anything in the show

Wait cap there’s 1 person

I like qimir best character cool character good actor

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-sith-qimir-sol-lightsaber-gif-14459348629890541028

[arctic wharf]

Him and Sol were the only characters I really liked

Aside from them and the lightsaber fights didn't really like much else in the show

[icy dagger]

I don’t like sols weird attachment to osha

It was like love at first sight it was creepy asl

[arctic wharf]

Tru it was weird

[misty trout]

Not even master Sol?

[icy dagger]

He was a pretty competent fighter

Not a good Jedi though

[proud juniper]

Sol was interesting with his hero complex

[icy dagger]

People like him are the reason why Jedi can’t have attachments

[proud juniper]

You might like The Good Place, Manny's in that and quite funny

[arctic wharf]

Must be very annoying being a jedi trying to send an email

[misty trout]

Idk, he in my eyes really was a good person going above and beyond to help

But yeah that favouritism

[proud juniper]

He tried to be kind and do the right thing but he got in over his head and made mistakes

[misty trout]

Qttachments😔

[icy dagger]

Yeah it’s pretty convenient that Mae fell down into the hole

Can’t tell osha about him killing her mother if she’s dead

[misty trout]

Yeah, its big brain time

[icy dagger]

I can’t imagine being a jedi knight

And not being able to lift 2 small children

Bro has like 1000 midichlroians or something it’s so bad 😭

[proud juniper]

Maybe his intense emotions were making it hard to concentrate

[icy dagger]

Don’t usually people get stronger with intense emotions

[arctic wharf]

It was the will of the force||plot||

[proud juniper]

That's dark side shit, he wasn't gonna do that

[icy dagger]

No like in general life too

Real life

[proud juniper]

Depends

[misty trout]

More so thatan wouldnt be able to concentrate with everything going around him

[proud juniper]

Or that

[misty trout]

Jedi drawn on their power from peace and concentration

Not much if either going on in that moment tbh

[icy dagger]

I feel like he got dark side points

For NOT using the dark side

To save Mae

[arctic wharf]

Or ketamine and death sticks

[proud juniper]

He got some points, sure

gettin' all stabby with Mother Aniseya because he got spooked, there's some points

[icy dagger]

Nah this was based

[misty trout]

Yo she deserved that

[icy dagger]

It was some dark magic shit absorbing a child

[misty trout]

Was no reason to do that to a terrified jedi

[icy dagger]

The mother and the whole coven deserved to die

[proud juniper]

Did she deserve it? We still don't know exactly what she was trying to do

[arctic wharf]

That was on her

[icy dagger]

Well it kind of looked like she was absorbing her

[arctic wharf]

Neither did Sol which led him to shanking her

[proud juniper]

It's gray areas all around

[icy dagger]

I don’t think it was any points

Tbh

Vernestra got some dark side points thoufh

Destroying her friends legacy is pretty crazy

[proud juniper]

Vernestra bein' a lil' stinky

[icy dagger]

Also how did osha turn a crystal to red mid ignition with 1 hand

[misty trout]

Making up her own shit and pushing her own agenda, Vernestra took that one from Headland lol

[icy dagger]

I’m pretty sure it took darth Vader the chosen one multiple times

[misty trout]

Bleeding the crystal, its an EU thing

[icy dagger]

To turn a crystal red

[misty trout]

Yeah but she aint darth vader, she's speshul 💅

[icy dagger]

Let me tell you, her anger doesn’t even compare to darth vaders

[misty trout]

But yeah that was very nice to see

The change from blue to red

[proud juniper]

Dark side energy/emotions damage a kyber crystal and corrupt it causing it to bleed

and turn red

[misty trout]

Though idk why the sabers looked so bad

Ep 5 they were fine

Ep8 they looked crappy

[icy dagger]

It was cool visually it just doesn’t make any sense

[icy dagger]

I’ve never liked the lightsabers in this show

I miss prequel lightsabers

[misty trout]

Prequels did have the best ones yeah

Og trilogy needed a bit more poliahing tbf

[icy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-star-wars-anakin-vs-count-dooku-lightsaber-dual-count-dooku-gif-22357467

I don’t feel like the new lightsabers

Have a definitive outline like prequels

[misty trout]

Dooku so graceful

[proud juniper]

Was that Christopher Lee or a double?

[misty trout]

So elegant

[arctic wharf]

Double I think

[proud juniper]

aww

[misty trout]

Ye

[icy dagger]

I don’t like the new glow effect

On lightsabers

[proud juniper]

Glow is slightly different, 0/10

[wide orchid]

Let me get that straight - master jedis are Dying left and right and yoda is like „Ignore the shit out of all the signs I will.”

Gotcha

[arctic wharf]

Yes

[vivid spear]

They really should slim those hilts down, you can tell some of the movements with them are off or awkward not because the actor is having trouble doing it, but because the hilts so damn big and clunky, if they went with cgi and a slimmer hilt, the fights would have had a lot more flow to them.

plus as others have stated cgi allows them to control the amount of light coming off the saber and make the color border more defined. probably cheaper than those props too.

[fathom moat]

The lightsaber props are probably what take the majority of that budget... All those batteries, and replacement blades... Might have been cheaper with metal rods for the blades... (PS, I joking and clarifying for sake of text being a pain to tell tone)

[icy dagger]

100%

[proud juniper]

Meesa gonna hurt yousa

[wide orchid]

i'm fookin cryin xD

help

[icy dagger]

so i'd rate the show like a

4/10

4 because they could have had a cool story with qimir and plagueis

i mean you literally had the perfect setup, squid game guy and trinity actors, greatest franchise of all time, 180 million fucking dollars

[bright sierra]

5:46 to 6:32 sums up one of my biggest issues with this series pretty well
https://youtu.be/xgtLAPR-BSI?si=oOkgyXwMQt596KAN&t=346

[misty trout]

The characters in the show can only be as intelligent as their creator

[icy dagger]

true

[vapid fog]

I liked the lightsaber fighting Sol was really one of the strongest jedi of his era

[icy dagger]

nah yoda

yoda was probably the strongest jedi for around 900 years

[rose zealot]

We can't simply assume that. Considering how old Grogu is in Mando, we can assume Yoda peaked probably 250-400 years in to life. Still means he was a powerhouse for quite some time though. Their race ages slooowly.

[icy dagger]

yeah its not much a difference

he could be a 100 years younger and my point still stands

[rose zealot]

It's only not that much of a difference because he lived during an era of peace imo.

[formal vector]

This show is such trash.

[wide abyss]

Great input.

[formal vector]

It really is though

[wide abyss]

I’ll take your word for it

It’s definitely not my favorite, but it is by no means trash IMHO

[fathom moat]

Then spit the bubble gum out, and leave it alone.

For some, it’s good
While for others, it ain’t.

Like what you like and stick to it, don’t taint another’s perspective.

[formal vector]

"For some, it's good." Yeah, Consoomers. "While for others, it ain't." People in their right mind.

[fathom moat]

My biggest gripe with the Acolyte is the fact they claim the Stranger uses Trakata, when we don’t see him use it in the show.
Not Ki-Adi’s age, not the idiocy of the Jedi, not the fact “Anakin ain’t special anymore”. It’s far pettier...

Beyond that, it’s just meh. Not good, not bad. Just meh.

[proud juniper]

thought it was slightly above mid, guess I'm a shill

[vapid fog]

is Ki Adi therE?

[arctic wharf]

Yes

[formal vector]

Yes and he really shouldn't

[verbal lake]

Why

[vapid fog]

Well then he is over 100 years old by the movie time

I did not knew his species also live like forever

[formal vector]

Because he's not supposed to have been born yet

[formal vector]

They don't. Cereans have a very short lifespan.

@verbal lake @vapid fog This is just another case of Disney retconning lore to suit their own ends

[vapid fog]

Oh maybe it's his dad

[verbal lake]

oh lol

i thought he was as old as yoda and Poof

[misty trout]

he's not THAT old

however changing his birthday isn't the biggest goof up dw

[vivid spear]

he was only 70'ish wasn't he?

although that's pretty old for his species.

[misty trout]

its the fact that he was the one who said "The sith have been extinct for a millenia"

yet he was the one who went in to oversee the team that got killed by the sith

I do hope to see now that Yoda is in the mix how they plan to "fix" this issue

[vivid spear]

That's what happens when you hire a team of writers and directors, who didn't take a few hours to at the very least watch a important points compilation of the first three films, which would have included Mundi's one big line.

[misty trout]

its what happens when you hire activists who care to spread their own agenda and not creative artists who wish to tell a great story

[vivid spear]

They also could have said it was another Cerean, as there have been a few in the order throughout the ages as they make excellent mediators. but they decided to insist on it being him for nostalgia bait.

[fathom moat]

I assumed it was another Cerean before someone pointed out the credits...

[verbal lake]

the acolyte is set 100 years or a 1000 before the prequels?

[wide abyss]

~100

[formal vector]

Ki-Adi-Mundi's Dad Named Ki-Adi-Mundi? I don't buy it

[formal vector]

They're just gonna make it worse

[potent adder]

I'd reccomend not watching if it gets a season 2 then. And probably move on since shows over. No use in whining and complaining about it now.

[misty trout]

what katie said

this show is done

if u dislike it and don't want more attention given to it, forget it and move on

don't try to milk a dead cow now

[arctic wharf]

Unless you run a YouTube channel

Because then u might get some money

[vapid fog]

Not so uncommon after all many father's give their son their name

[formal vector]

I'll watch whatever I choose. And even then, I'm giving it negative attention by telling people how bad it is.

[formal vector]

Except Disney outright confirmed that is the same Ki-Adi-Mundi as seen in the prequel films.

[misty trout]

and that same attention causes people to go see it cuz of how "bad" it is and only allows more bad shows to be made

[formal vector]

No it doesn't. That's a fallacy

[mighty arrow]

But what if I became so powerful I could keep the cow from dying

[proud juniper]

Is giving an alien species a longer lifespan for a cameo really the catastrophe people are making it out to be?

[vapid fog]

It should not have been him

Not the sith where not seen for 1000 years

[proud juniper]

Why does it matter whether it's him or another Cerean?

Plus the whole "Sith haven't been seen for 1000 years" still holds up even if he was there. Sol was the only one Qimir mentions the word "Sith" to, Sol never told anyone, and then Sol died

[verbal lake]

is that the real Plagueis at the end? is he supposed to be the master

[idle fossil]

Here's the thing about criticism. As long as you say it with the intent of being constructive, to help those you are critiquing to be better, then that's good.

But if your intent on critiquing is negativity for negativity's sake, then that's not critiquing. That's just spouting anger/negativity/hate.

If you want to call The Acolyte trash, that's fine. If you enjoyed it but thought the plot was subpar or even terrible, that's also fine. But don't just say it's trash and keep bashing without saying what you think could be better.

Proper criticism is meant to be constructive, and should the criticized party take the notes to heart, then that should result in a better product.

[formal vector]

Yes, because it breaks canon.

[formal vector]

Hey man, sometimes hating can be fun

[formal vector]

Even then, Diseny and the creatives they hire have shown that they don't care about constructive criticism and ignore us as much as possible

They just brush us off as "toxic fanboys" and carry on making crap content with no repercussions

[idle fossil]

I acknowledge the Acolyte hasn't been great by any stretch. It had moments where it was good/great, but they were few and far between.

The thing is, if you give up and start hating for the sake of hating and stop providing constructive criticism, then you've proven that you don't care, so they won't put care into their work either.

I mean, you do you, I'm not criticizing you or anything at all, I want that to be crystal clear. ^_^

[formal vector]

Again, we've given our constructive criticism, and Disney doesn't care about improving. So why should we care about being constructive by that point? I and many others gave the Acolyte a shot, it failed miserably, and sure enough, Leslye Headland just blew us off.

[idle fossil]

I do agree, I gave The Acolyte a shot and it was quite disappointing, so I don't disregard that at all. But yeeeah. If they don't care and we don't either, I'd say we're either stooping to their level or worse, literally no one wins because nothing gets done.

[formal vector]

Ok, so what do you think we should do then?

[idle fossil]

Be the better people. Show we're better in the sense of not giving in to despair, to not let their lack of quality lessen us as consumers. Keep requesting/demanding improvement properly and without stooping to insults/negativity. ^_^

Like, I won't go into politics, but I will make a slight comparison. 15 years ago, people could disagree respectfully and come to an understanding. Now, just one slight disagreement, and people immediately antagonize one another. And this didn't just come out of the woodwork, people have always been this way, they just didn't have the platform they do now. Where someone could've said Phantom Menace is subpar, now people either love it or hate it, there's no middle ground.

I'm glad that we here are able to agree/disagree and keep it respectful.

As it should be.

[misty trout]

you know that guy is doing this on purpose right?

just ignore and move on

i swear this chat has some alzeimers shit going on, repeating the same conversation every week

[potent adder]

You can also, not watch or support "Disney Star Wars". Like let this be the straw that broke the camels back and stop watching. Money talks in the world. If people stop supporting it, they can see things weren't received well. You also can put your criticsms in a place they might have a chance of seeing. Unfortunately I dont think anywhere here is a disney exec lol

If there is, my money is on Six*, hes shady sometimes

[proud juniper]

Was Ki-Adi-Mundi's age mentioned in the prequels or anything actually Canon? iirc his birth date was mentioned in a 1999 CD-ROM game, but that's Legends. Disney already wiped that away in 2012 when they acquired Lucasfilm. It wasn't Canon then, it's not Canon now. Saying it "breaks Canon" implies Canon was established as far as his age after the takeover, when it apparently wasn't

[idle fossil]

Honestly, wasn't aware mb.

In hindsight should've noticed the ragebaiting.

Thankfully didn't get rage out of me so 😛

[misty trout]

yeah, there's tons of jobless people who ragebait and milk this dead cow

[idle fossil]

Takes quite a bit to get me to even half rage.

[misty trout]

let it go

[idle fossil]

Sounds good Elsadi Mundi

[misty trout]

its just another shitty show we'll all forget about and will be used as movie 101: what to NOT do

anyhow, for my dear rage baiters, S2 is prolly coming soon

dw

you can hate on that always

[twin quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-ok-seinfeld-eating-popcorn-gif-5628905

[potent adder]

I wont forget about it, I enjoyed it. Yea we all will forget and move on

[twin quarry]

This was pretty funny. Feel free to watch. But if you don’t take funny pokes at the show lightly, i reccomend NOT clicking

https://youtu.be/PqwEE6G6zaU?si=1x2Ei-sa75SawlLJ

[vapid fog]

I do not know what people expect

[proud juniper]

Imagine realizing something is flawed yet enjoying it

I doubt I'll forget it either, there's definitely more to explore if they can tighten up the weak spots

[vapid fog]

why was it so short?

in number of episodes

[proud juniper]

I'm not a fan of 8 episode seasons either

it still felt like could've been cut, even with only 8 eps

[vapid fog]

granted this like thousands of years after SWTOR but mind wiping seems not suprising in this era

before it seemed like a hard thing to do

Also very useful against someone like Anakin to be honest also

[proud juniper]

It strikes me as kind of a "avada kedavra" type forbidden move in Star Wars

[twin quarry]

Costs probably

It’s always costs

[proud juniper]

The cast and crew get barely enough and the execs get a ton, most likely, when all is said and done

[idle fossil]

10 episode seasons are best, if not longer

[proud juniper]

even 10 can feel short at times

[vapid fog]

by the way if the so called sith could mind wipe so easily why did he not do so against master Sol and got his ass kicked

[proud juniper]

He probably wanted to fight him

[vapid fog]

but he knew from the first time he fought him he was not as good in that area

[proud juniper]

Pain/anger/frustration from losing gives him power? /shrug

[potent adder]

I yearn for not 8 episode seasons

[vapid fog]

do we see any hints of the so called sith' master?

[proud juniper]

Plagueis

I believe in some of the witch coven scenes there are 2 suspicious hooded figures, whether those are Qimir and Plagueis or somebody else remain to be seen

[formal vector]

Again bro, Disney isn't gonna listen to us, so why should we even bother being cordial? We're just treating them how they treat us, and if anything we're the ones winning.

[formal vector]

Blame Disney for enforcing this "You're either with us or against us" mentality.

[formal vector]

Disney ain't getting a dime from me. I don't even have a D+ account. I watched the Acolyte over on FMovies

[formal vector]

If Disney is going to start contradicting facts about characters they kept when they bought Star Wars, we still have a duty to call them out on it when they do.

[formal vector]

I really doubt people are gonna be forgetting this anytime soon, considering it does SO much damage to the brand and universe

[formal vector]

Bro, trust me, I can enjoy something despite its flaws. The problem is that the Acolyte's flaws are inexcusable and it doesn't have enough good points to offset the bad ones.

[formal vector]

Total mind wiping never existed in Star Wars. At best there was "mind rubbing" where you could have a person forget the last two or three minutes, but not their entire life.

[formal vector]

Because the writers suck at their jobs.

[formal vector]

This season's story was barely long enough for 8. This episode should've been cut down to 4 or 5 cause of so much padding.

[formal vector]

Why TF would Qimir and Plagueis even be there?

[potent adder]

https://tenor.com/view/yapper-gif-6207367677105378363

[mighty arrow]

"Duty"
Good lord.

[misty trout]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-gif-20772593

[alpine urchin]

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one

[formal vector]

Yes, it is the fans duty to hold the IP holders accountable whenever they fuck up handling the IP.

[formal vector]

It's not a case of my opinion is right and yours is wrong, it's a case of who's judging it more effectively.

[mighty arrow]

Ok there bud. Whatever you say.

[formal vector]

Why do you disagree with me?

[mighty arrow]

Because it's not a duty. You either watch something and like/don't like it or you don't watch it and move on

To call something like criticizing a space opera tv show a "duty" is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today

[formal vector]

That may be true for any other crappy show, but this show is an installment in a series that has been horribly mishandled by its current IP owner, and it's our duty as fans of the IP to hold them accountable for their ineptitude. It doesn't matter what property it is, if you love something enough to call yourself a fan, you have to hold the people who own the rights to a higher standard.

[mighty arrow]

no it's not a duty

it's a tv show

not the bloody military

[vapid fog]

should only be one writter not writters as it mean plot holes

[formal vector]

I seriously doubt the number of writers impacted much on this series. I really do think if it was just one writer we would've gotten more or less the same show.

What this show needed was an editor who just shot down all the bad ideas Headland put into this show.

[vapid fog]

its very hard working in a team

[formal vector]

Yes it is, now more than ever. Because if the IP holders aren't going to care about the IP, then that responsibility falls to the fandom.

[formal vector]

Yes and?

[mighty arrow]

Whatever you say dude

[formal vector]

It's true though.

[vapid fog]

which means the editor will have to work with the writers and compromise or else nothing gets finished.There is only so much you can improve bad writing

[undone root]

Hey. FYI, let's keep opinions respectful and calm. No need to turn it into an argument.
If you have a differing opinion, fine, but don't be giving out if others are not on the same wavelength

TV shows are always hit and miss. Not every studio can cater for everyone and hit the bullseye.

[alpine urchin]

Moon does have a point

[misty trout]

fucking awesome fit

its from my friend, thought i'd share

[fathom moat]

Ha!!! Lol

[proud juniper]

Nice

[hardy violet]

acolyte bad innit

[simple anvil]

Yeah

Either way, great discussion

Gonna hop on doom now

[vapid fog]

you now I noticed that Qimir only won against so many jedi because of his cortosis armor

if not he would have been dead several times

Yeah he probably not good enough to be Pelagius apprentice

[fathom moat]

The armor allowed him to do stuff you normally wouldn’t... Like Bane’s orbalisk...

[formal vector]

Except Bane could still kick ass without it and had plenty of fights where he didn't need it to survive. Qimir only won because of plot armor

[alpine urchin]

How’s the show?

[proud juniper]

Don’t ask

Some will say they liked it, some will say it’s mid, some will say it’s the worst thing in creation. Worth a watch to see for yourself what you think

[formal vector]

Crap. Just watch a YouTuber reviewing to see the story.

[alpine urchin]

Noted

[proud juniper]

6 or 7/10 for me

[bright sierra]

3 or 4 for me

[mighty arrow]

200 out of 345453 for me

[proud juniper]

[narrow pine]

https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-acolyte-canceled-no-season-2-star-wars-disney-plus-1236044233/

😭

[proud juniper]

sigh

[idle fossil]

Not surprising unfortunately.

The reception it received was far too brutal. Even with me disliking the plot/writing, I don't wish ill to the showrunners/performers.

I do hope they are able to make a new project eventually.

[warped flax]

Hopefully the writers find jobs they're better at 🙃

[twin quarry]

Does it say why it was cancelled?

[warped flax]

Viewship was low, cost was high

[wide abyss]

its plagover

[warped flax]

He's a muun though!

Confirmed

So that's good

Before then he wasn't confirmed as a Muun in canon

[twin quarry]

Smh