SWTOR Lore Discussion

[jovial ether]

Your right. I am reminded now it is one of the "Force and Destiny" books

[elfin anchor]

man lol why do i consistently post awesome stuff lmfao.

remember that as of dark empire palpatine had his agents search for the secrets of almost every known force using culture out there. Its kinda cool to imagine the dark adepts at byss perhaps even knowing how to access the spirit world

[jovial ether]

Question: Did Sel-Makor really actually die when Talah-Rae sacrificed herself to "destroy him"? On one hand, they keep consistently in the story that Tala-Rae can "destroy Sel Makor", but when she does, (if you choose the light side path), Sel Makor looks like he is getting sucked in the pit he was in and rocks collapse on the pit, almost looking like he is being "sealed". But that can't be, because everyone says he will be "destroyed" if that happens.

[elfin anchor]

If everyone says he is destroyed, I imagine that means he is genuinely killed tbh. At least thats how I always interpreted it

[jovial ether]

Same here. I wonder what it means then when the celing and rocks collapse and cover the pit he was in, or if it simply was just...rocks collapsing.

[elfin anchor]

but yeah, if you want to imagine sel makor surviving, I guess maybe he is the reason why the Mystics ended up hiding in the Nightmare lands of all places

just say he corrupted them or something at some point

[jovial ether]

I prefer if he is dead like you think actually. I am asking the whole "rocks falling on the pit where he was" question because I want to believe he is dead, but the way his "destruction" played out looks kind of sus and worrysome to me

[elfin anchor]

Honestly, personally I think Sel Makor was too cool to kill like that I wish he was actually just contained or buried or whatever. But I just struggle to actually see that being the case, as much as I'd like to

[unborn brook]

I’ll say he’s dead until proven otherwise... A very simple way of thinking about things... Lol

[jovial ether]

Uh oh

[elfin anchor]

then again if you wanna have a super duper force op entity around contained, theres still the world razer on Belsavis

[unborn brook]

Malgus was dead until proven otherwise, so why not Sel Makor of Voss...

[elfin anchor]

i'd love to see more stuff exploring Voss' past instead of just bread crumbs thrown here and there

[jovial ether]

I would LOVE it if the World Razer returned in a future story. Apoclyptic stuff there

[jovial ether]

True. Like how old is Sel-Makor, what lead to his creation, when in history did the Sith attacks Voss, etc

[elfin anchor]

to this day im still thinking about the phantom jedi you can find in one of the planetary stories

[unborn brook]

Phantom Jedi?

[jovial ether]

Never played it. Who was it?

[elfin anchor]

Give me a sec so i can copy and paste what i said last year to a friend

https://youtu.be/TOftcFyCVd0?t=43

time stamped

[unborn brook]

This a pub-side planet story? Because I’d like to think I’d remember a ghostly Jedi Imp side...

[elfin anchor]

the player later goes to the ancient jedi shrine and finds 3 tombs
[17:05]sábado, 26 de julio de 2025 17:05
i cant read the name of the masters
[17:07]sábado, 26 de julio de 2025 17:07
Master Rosso
Master Vallis
Master Yan-De

Another Time and Place — 26/7/2025 17:08sábado, 26 de julio de 2025 17:08
then you have to 'draw out the evil at Master Kun's shrine'
[17:09]sábado, 26 de julio de 2025 17:09
and when u do that
[17:09]sábado, 26 de julio de 2025 17:09
2 'phantom jedi' spawn
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as well as a creature called Shade of Mardok (edited)sábado, 26 de julio de 2025 17:09

[unborn brook]

Ah... The light side option of that quest...

[elfin anchor]

yea

[narrow mulch]

@elfin anchor has become a Rising Star of the Sith Empire for reaching rank 5.

[jovial ether]

Indeed

[elfin anchor]

Either way, makes me wonder if the original writers actually had a story in mind for the ancient jedi v sith conflict on voss judging by the fact they named 3 glup shitto jedi

well, 4

[jovial ether]

Yeah. Aaahhh...the potential

[unborn brook]

Oh well... Hopefully we’ll return to Voss again-again-again... Or again cubed... Lol

[elfin anchor]

the shrine of silence flashpoint also briefly explored voss' past but nothing much was said. It was cool how the Curse could straight up seemingly transport people to the spirit world at will. Always wished that entire quetsline actually had more of a story instead of "lol go check the shrine of silence good luck"

[unborn brook]

Hopefully, we’ll have an overarching Flashpoint story in the future, like the Duxn and R4 operation mini-story...

[elfin anchor]

Hopefully, I personally wish they'd try to bring back some actual wasted potential enemies like the aforementioned Sel Makor, as well as Terrak Morrhage (both of which seem to be vaguely tied to pre Great Hyperspace war jedi v sith conflicts or conflict repeatedly referenced through the game for some reason. I really wonder what the writers had in mind lol)

[elfin anchor]

lol I hate how under used the Unmasked are. Bring em back as well I say lol

[unborn brook]

I don’t mind the loss of Terrak Morrhage, because (I belive it’s been shown with other Sith spirits) it takes time to regain power...

[jovial ether]

Anyways, Star Wars: Red Harvest is a zombie horror novel prequel to tthe Imperial Era novel of the same genre, "Death Troopers". I haven't read the book in the fullest, just know the general outline and the snippets I have read. Does it state anywhere it is in 3,647-3,645 BBY? That is exactly during the Cold War of SWTOR's Era, but this story seems pretty standalone and feels like a different era than SWTOR. No SWTOR connections, continuity timeline errors, and much more. This leads me to think that this story is set in a different era. However, in the beginning of the page(s) of every EU novel, they have a list of EU books in chronological order. Red Harvest seems to be placed around SWTOR's time. Plus, the Essential Reader's Companion says so too, (I am wondering if that is the source of that information). I don't know what the deal with Red Harvest is.

[unborn brook]

Splinter group of the Unmasked? The Unshackled Unmasked? Lol

[elfin anchor]

lol I just wanna have Nox eat him 😄

[elfin anchor]

with an allied cult that worships Sion: The Undying

[jovial ether]

True for Terrak Morrhage. He is stated to have truly died in the JC story, (if you kill Vivicar that is), and all, but also there is the option of him being cast out and vowing revenge, (there is also some condradictory statements that he is "deathless" and "beyond flesh, beyond death".

[unborn brook]

The Too Hungy to die, the Too Angy to die, the Too Betrayed to die?

So... An... Unleashed Triumverate?

[elfin anchor]

Yeah I know, we've had this conversation before. I think I forgot to later tell you that I found in one of the old wizards of the coast sourcebooks some lore which basically says that if the host of someone a ghost possesses is killed It doesnt mean that the Ghost itself is destroyed so theres that. Of course, this is old lore and for all we know the writers of the JC story had no clue about this. But, what Im trying to say here, is that there is some room to maybe retcon Terrak's death, if indeed he was meant to be genuinely killed in the ds ending

[jovial ether]

Perhaps. Regardless, he is pretty much forgoteen, like many other unresolved plot points

[elfin anchor]

I'd go with that retcon personally, too cool of a character to waste like that

[jovial ether]

Same here. He looks too important

[unborn brook]

I say, let the old man rest... He’s had enough excitement for one century... Lol

[jovial ether]

What about Parkanas Tark? What's his status if you spared him?

[elfin anchor]

Nah trust me he is eager for vengeance, fuming at the mere thought of the jedi consular

trust

[elfin anchor]

he fucks off to Tython iirc

[jovial ether]

And just....chills there for the rest of his life?

[elfin anchor]

you'd think it'd be cool if he found the teachings of Rajivari there but whatever

[unborn brook]

Hidden exile on Tython, I believe... Either that or he’s rehabilitated... Or even both, depending on options... Don’t remember...

[elfin anchor]

he is just exiled iirc

[unborn brook]

How’d he access the terminals in the Ruins of Keleph (however you spell it)? No First Blade... Unless the Jedi are using a bespoke lockpick...

[elfin anchor]

true...

[jovial ether]

About Parkanas/Vivicar, why didn't the whole Sith Empire bother getting after him? He is a solo Sith. Also, what the hell happened to his flagship regardless on how his defeat turns out?

[unborn brook]

Vivicar probably stole from the Empire using his plague-addled crew...

[elfin anchor]

i liked to imagine that Vivicar was a Sith Lord in Angral's powerbase (thus why both seemed active in the same places doing similar evil sith things in coruscant too) tbh

as for his flagship, i guess the republic probably just captured it idk

[jovial ether]

Makes sense. Does Parkanas suffer personality split or is he full on possessed by Terrak Morrhage? If its the latter, why would Terrak call himself "Vivicar"?

[elfin anchor]

I think Parkanas is Vivicar in the same way Anakin was Vader. Terrak just influences him (I guess think of how Exar was influencing Kyp Durron in the Jedi Academy Trilogy). Could be wrong though, I dont remember most of the dialogue with Vivcar

[jovial ether]

Maybe. Maybe the influence and "full-on possession" is gradual and slow, and by the time JC meets Vivicar, he has been utterly mind controlled by Terrak

[elfin anchor]

yea

or Terrak just thought he may as well seize control to fight the JC?

[jovial ether]

Could be too.

Anyone here read SWTOR: Fatal Alliance?

[elfin anchor]

i have

[elfin anchor]

there are some swtor connections

i dont remember much about it but the treaty of coruscant and the sacking of coruscant are brought up, the story, as far as I can remember, happened during the cold war

[jovial ether]

Interesting.

[jovial ether]

Do you remember Darth Howl? One of the Dark Council members in the book? The hell happened to him and Eldon Ax?

[elfin anchor]

yeah every now and then i wonder the same thing. IIRC the story happens like shortly before SWTOR starts

so i guess he must have died around that time

the question is, which sphere of influence was his

[jovial ether]

Dunno. We don't see much of him to get an answer

Darth Chratis, (the withered pale red eyed Sith Lord on the cover of the book and Eldon Ax's former Sith Master before Darth Howl), why didn't he ascend to the Dark Council? He is pretty old and seems pretty experienced in Sith sorcery and all.

[elfin anchor]

no idea, there could be so many reasons for that though

too many variables

[jovial ether]

I wonder if he is a retired Dark Council member. Can Dark Council Sith retire from their position without death?

[elfin anchor]

hmmm

maybe?

i mean probably, they'd still have their own power base not tied to the pyramid they control

[jovial ether]

There is a place in the SWTOR Enyclopedia that says that Darth Vowrawn "likes to handle Sith retiring from their Dark Council position, often in death". Since it says "often", that means some Dark Council members do indeed retire and step down.

I wonder why a Dark Council member would even want to step down though

[elfin anchor]

oh wtf let me check

thats cool

[elfin anchor]

that is a good question

[jovial ether]

Yeah. Go to the Darth Vowrawn information section

[jovial ether]

What I mean by that is that Vowrawn sets stages for Dark Council members who are rivals to step down or die.

[elfin anchor]

oh yeah it says they sometimes retire

interesting

[jovial ether]

Maybe Darth Howl didn't die. Maybe he retired because he is up to something. I dunno

[elfin anchor]

maybe, i mean i think its far more likely he died. I mean look at how many changes occurred in such a short time span within the Sphere of Ancient Knowledge, or Military Offense

[jovial ether]

Too bad he didn't appear in SWTOR itself. Also, what about Eldon Ax? His apprentice? Fatal Alliance teased like it was going somewhere

[elfin anchor]

it teased many things yet sadly only the lamest character there was referenced in the game (the mandalorian, what was her name again?)

i honestly would say she died but that'd be so lame i really liked the characters in that book

[jovial ether]

True. Sure, it was written when SWTOR was in early development, but still, it is a tie-in book set really close to the actual game events.

Shigar was never seen either in the future

[elfin anchor]

i remember thinking he later joined the Sixth Line and uh well yeah the rest is history

[jovial ether]

I AM planning on writing a short fanfiction in which some of the teases in Fatal Alliance are wrapped up without messing with the actual story of the game

[elfin anchor]

well, whenever you do share it, i'd like to see what you come up with

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Larin_Moxla

[jovial ether]

Yeah. I am an early writer in general, so it will be a while.

[elfin anchor]

her unit showed up in the jedi knight story iirc so theres that

[jovial ether]

Interesting

[elfin anchor]

at least you are willing to write shit down, i have many ideas but rarely am motivated enough to write them

[jovial ether]

You know what, I kind of am the same. I keep procastinating. But I am trying to try sometime soon

Wait, do we actually see Darth Chratis die in Fatal Alliance? I don't remember explicetly how he died

[elfin anchor]

I dont remember either, its been ages since I've read that book I dont remember liking it much

[jovial ether]

It was not that great, yeah. Some of the characters in it were intirgueing though, (especially the Sith side)

[elfin anchor]

i agree, i also quite liked the romance between Larin and Shigar

[elfin anchor]

I find the Cold War period super cool, I never quite liked how in the actual game we basically just see the end of it if you get what i mean. I would have preffered it if the cold war continued for longer

[jovial ether]

I haven't read the last SWTOR book Anihilation. I heared it is set after the original class stories. Interesting...does it reference any of the events in the original class stories?

[jovial ether]

I mean, if the SWTOR developers had the guts, they could make a prequel story exploration of that whole period. That is what I would do

[elfin anchor]

it references some, such as Malgus' insurrection but none of the player characters are referenced much (and the book itself opens up some interesting implications about Darth Nox)

[jovial ether]

Cool. So Darth Nox is the canonical Sith name for SI then?

[elfin anchor]

No

[jovial ether]

Oh, okay.

[elfin anchor]

i mean that basically

1. Nox is not present at all when Marr starts discussing important matters with 'the only dark councillors who matter' or something among those lines
2. The Dark Council makes a huge deal about allowing Darth Karrid into the Council, as they've never seemed to have let non humans and aliens in the council before and doing so might boost their popularity amongst aliens within the Empire. (Karrid is a Falleen, same species as Xizor)

also Marr, iirc, muses that had Darth Karrid joined Malgus at Ilum, Malgus would have won because Karrid controls the Ascendant Spear

[jovial ether]

Interesting.

So Nox/Ocuulas/Imperious must be a human, (no way a Pureblood was once a slave)

[elfin anchor]

yeah

i mean i've seen some people make the counter argument that the dark council didnt actually give Nox the position of Dark Councillor in the same way they gave it to Karrid, Nox simply won it fair and square

I simply still dont see Nox/Occlus/Imperious being anything but a human simply because of how much of a fuss everyone was making over Karrid

[jovial ether]

Based on what you are saying, I can agree on that. Glad my Nox is canon friendly to this info then, haha

[elfin anchor]

lol yeah, so is mine lol

almost all of my characters are humans

[jovial ether]

Same, (except for Agent and SW)

[elfin anchor]

sith warrior is the only sith pureblood i have yeah

[jovial ether]

My SW is pureblood too

[clever ibex]

mine too

[elfin anchor]

Though part of me every now and then thinks: Wouldnt red skinned non force sensitives also make sense? I know, sounds dumb at first glance but my logic is: What happened to the Zuguruk, Massassi and Kissai that surely must have been serving in the fleets that participated in the Sith Exodous? Surely some could have just ended up merging with the 'normie' population. I doubt much importance was given to the blood of some massassi or zuguruks.

after all the thing with Sith purebloods is that they are all descendants one way or another, from the original Jedi Exiles (the founders of the Sith Order). Having less or more Exile blood was a huge deal in Sadow's time (Ludo Kressh, for example, was ridiculed by Sadow for not looking like a human as this meant he didnt share many genes with his fallen jedi ancestors). The Exiles, essentially, were considered demi gods by the Sith population they ruled over, so being one of their descendants basically meant your bloodline was sacred.

[jovial ether]

True

So your saying the possibility that Nox is a pureblood is not entirely ruled out?

[elfin anchor]

Not sure about Nox, im just wondering if an operative Sith makes sense (ignoring the fact that a Sith infiltrating things such as Hutt Cartels would be dumb)

i mean i guess i can also see an argument being made that Vitiate just encouraged the sith subspecies to mostly just start breeding with Sith Lords, true

thus only humans form the bulk of the non force sensitive population

but then again, doesnt HK 47 basically say that almost the entire Empire's population has, to varying degrees, Sith blood?

[west sequoia]

the JC doesnt go back to Malachor to banish Morrhage's ghost, you just cut the linkage between him and Parkanas

[west sequoia]

and yes, his claim is 97.8% of the imperial population at the time has some amount of Sith DNA

[west sequoia]

non-FS purebloods are rare but they do exist, there's a bit of a cultural stigma against them though

[void pelican]

the JK actually runs into a death cult’s worth of them on Belsavis

[unborn brook]

The Sith Inquisitor visits one of them on Voss...

[elfin anchor]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Adeline_Marr

Visas' descendant? Trust?

i'll forever hate the fact that they made the exile canonically female ngl

[jovial ether]

Don't see any problem with that. This is my headcanon for now

Hey guys, so I have been wondering....when did the Sith Order get created/come to be? Like the actual religion/order/cult that we are all familiar with? You know, when there is a being regardless of species who practices and joins the "Sith Order" they are called and "become" a "Sith". What does it mean to be a Sith? When did the actual Sith Order get created? Was it the moment Ajunta Pall and the other Dark Jedi Exiles began creating their first "Sith Empire" following their defeat in the Hundred Year Darkness? Or was it a gradual slow process? Regardless, when did the "Sith Order" officially become a "thing" and on a bonus question when did the "Sith Order" become open to anyone and any species who followed and adopted the Sith ways to officially be considered a part of the Order and become "Sith"?

Sorzus Syn, one of the Exiles created the Sith code, so was she an influence behind it? I have no idea. Kreai/Darth Traya in KOTOR II yaps about "True Sith" and all of that, so yeah.

I guess this leads to the question: "When does a religion/order/cult get created/formed, and what are the 'true' ones"? This question may apply to real-life too, haha. But I am specifically trying to talk about the "Sith" we are all familiar with.

[unborn brook]

The Sith were tribes and kingdoms before the Dark Jedi... Then they come in, intermingle, and eventually (over a thousand or so years) cause the Golden Age under Ragnos...

[elfin anchor]

Hey guys, so I have been wondering....when did the Sith Order get created/come to be?
When Ajunta Pall and his Jedi Exiles found Korriban, killed the ruling Sith King and put themselves atop the pre established Sith hierarchy (before these Fallen Jedi found Sith Space, there were many kingdoms/tribes through Sith space and the Kissai subpsecies were at the top of the social hierarchy).
Thats the origin of the order. But the Sith Religion is one that the Sith species had, members of the Sith order mostly didnt care much about it but would not really reject being hyped up as demi gods of ancient sith gods by the actual Sith species.

Sorzus Syn, one of the Exiles created the Sith code, so was she an influence behind it? I have no idea. Kreai/Darth Traya in KOTOR II yaps about "True Sith" and all of that, so yeah.
Sorzus, as u probably know, was one of the Jedi exiles. And yeah she created the Sith code to prepare future generations of Dark Jedi members of the Sith Order to adopt Sith culture and perpetuate this ruling cabal of Dark Jedi lording over the Sith people. By the time of Naga Sadow most if not all the ruling Lords were descendants of the original Exiles one way or another.

Kreia, when she yaps about the True Sith, is talking about Vitiate's hidden Sith Empire btw. In swtor that term gets used a bit by Gnost Dural and even Scourge.
They are called true Sith because they're actual Sith people and direct descendants of the original lords of the original Sith Empire that got beaten in the Great Hyperspace War.
Exar Kun's Brotherhood of the Sith and later Revan's own Sith Order were not exactly True Sith because the ruling class (The Lords) were not descendants of the original Sith Empire basically, whereas if you check the Encyclopedia of SWTOR it basically says that purebloods descend from the Lords of the Sadow empire.

[jovial ether]

Makes sense. So the creation of the Sith Order become a thing right away when Ajunta Pall and the Jedi Exiles conquered Korriban and Sorzus Syn created the Sith Code? Or was it a little more slower/gradual?

Is the "Sith Order" just the Dark Jedi philosophy adapting to Sith religion?

[elfin anchor]

I'd say it was pretty much when Ajunta and his guys installed themselves atop the Kissai in the hierarchy, because it basically paved the way for future Sith Lords to inherit their right to rule the Sith species.

[elfin anchor]

Well thats a bit of an oversimplification but In essence, yes. Sorzus says as much iirc

Sith culture i'd say

Most members of the order didnt seem to really care about the religion of the sith people

[jovial ether]

Makes sense. Even from the beginning "Sith" could refer to the original Jedi exiles who are pureblooded humans? Also, when was the Sith Order "open" to species other than Purebloods and humans? Or from the beginning they were always "open" if someone reverts to the Sith ways?

"I am not Sith. I do not share their blood. Yet, in the time since we arrived among these savage people, we have become their rulers."-Sozus Syn said this in her first part of her journal in her section in the "Book of Sith". That is why I asked this question in case you are curious.

[elfin anchor]

I think the Sith Order was open to non humans from the get go. (For once I dont even think Ajunta was a human as wild of a take as this is because of how he refers to Revan as "human" in a way that just implied he wasnt a fellow human. That and his obsession with blades made me think he was an echani but thats besides the point). In one of the books we see that Sadow had a Kaleesh apprentice (where that guy came from tho is beyond me). Sadow also let Gav Daragon, granted another human but outside the Fallen Jedi bloodline, join the Sith Order.

I'd say whatever a lord said was the law basically. Doubt many kissai would dare defy the decisions of a lord if they, for example, found a very powerful slave and decided to train him.

Heres a fact: In the KotoR campaign guide it is said that its forbbiden for members of different sith castes to breed. However, we know that Dreypa bred with female Kissai, Ajunta with female massassi. So really, the dark lords basically seemed to be able to do as they pleased. Though I cant recall if it was actually forbidden for a sith lord to train, for example a massassi, in the ways of the Sith Lords.

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[jovial ether]

Makes sense. I guess this settles the question for me then

[unborn brook]

The 12 Exiles appropriated what they liked from the Sith into the Sith Order...

[unborn brook]

Really? Ajunta shared company with a Massassi? Interesting...

[elfin anchor]

yeah its from Jedi vs Sith the essential guide to the force iirc

[unborn brook]

Good to know...

[jovial ether]

Forgive me for bringing up another question, but....what truly was the first battle and/or war that the Jedi Order had against the Sith Order/Sith Empire? SWTOR Encyclopedia kinda says many times it was the Great Hyperspace War, (which is 5000 BBY), and I think they even outright stated it, but there are/is some...conflicting lore that implies that the Sith and/or Jedi fought and knew each other before. Such as this conflict.....https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_battle_between_Jedi_and_Sith

Did the Sith fight the Jedi a second time after this conflict but before the Great Hyperspace War?

[unborn brook]

Naga Sadow (cough cough Nagging Sad) was proud of his Jedi heritage, I believe...

[elfin anchor]

Yes I talked about this here before we have conflicts between the Jedi Order and the Sith Order that predate the Great Hyperspace War: Terrak Morrhage's comnflict, Tulak Hord's campaigns, the Voss conflict and also, if you want to count it, Dreypa's expedition.

I actually forgot about that conflict as well, so Ajunta Pall led the Sith against the Jedi as well? Thats interesting

[elfin anchor]

Yeah he'd ridicule Ludo for looking more like an actual Sith

[jovial ether]

The Voss conflict is so interesting to me. Pre or post-Great Hyperspace War?

[unborn brook]

Ouch... Poor Ludo Kressh cough cough Loony Crash...

[elfin anchor]

Pre imo

[jovial ether]

Agreed tbh. How could the Jedi forget the Sith though by the time of Great Hyperspace War?

[elfin anchor]

if it were up to me I'd even say that Terrak's time, Tulak's time and the Voss conflict were all part of the same overall war

[unborn brook]

The Force willed it... Lol

[elfin anchor]

They didnt

[jovial ether]

Hell nah, haha

[elfin anchor]

Odan Urr somehow knew the origins of the Sith Order

its in issue 0 of Tales of the Jedi Golden age of the Sith

[jovial ether]

Not just the Hundred Year Darkness?

[elfin anchor]

nope

of the actual sith order

[jovial ether]

Interesting....

[jovial ether]

Could Terrak been a post-Great Hyperspace War Sith but still millenia and centuries before SWTOR? Or is there still evidence otherwise?

[elfin anchor]

he and some other jedi iirc even went to the senate chambers to warn the republic of the return of the sith but sinc etheir only evidence was a force vision they basically got laughed out of the chamber

[jovial ether]

Damn....interesting. I need to get the full collection of Tales of the Jedi comics

[elfin anchor]

i cant really see him being around centuries before swtor

[jovial ether]

Perhaps because they kinda emphasize on how "ancient" he is and the original Jedi who defeated him having their name lost to time?

[elfin anchor]

also the encylopedia says milennia so thousands of years before swtor

[elfin anchor]

that too

[jovial ether]

Riigght. I forgot. Millenia is more than one thousand years, at minimum two thousand years or more. Millenium is only one thousand years

[elfin anchor]

ye

[jovial ether]

I agree the Voss conflict is way before Great Hyperspace War as well, but the real question is how long before and what the deal here is

[elfin anchor]

my headcanon was that Terrak was the dark lord ruling the Empire while Tulak hord was just a lord (khem val says that some of the battles they fought together happened BEFORE Tulak became the dark lord).

interestingly enough also the dashade homeworld is near Ossus and, thus, also near Voss

[elfin anchor]

and these battles couldnt have happened in the hundred year darkness because of whats stated in Kallig's bio

Kallig training in a sith academy on korriban while those battles were happening or some shit

[jovial ether]

I don't think the idea that Terrak nearly destroyed the Jedi Order condradicts the lore either. Not at all even. The "First Jedi Purge" in 3,951 BBY as it is called by the fanbase came from Wookieepeedia. Wookieepedia on the other hand, said that the name for the article on that topic is "pure conjecture". As someone who knows their policies really well, what Wookieepedia is basically saying is that this is the first KNOWN Jedi Purge in media, not THE First Jedi Purge.

[jovial ether]

Agreed

[elfin anchor]

thats a good point

[jovial ether]

Official sources never called or implied it was the first purge that nearly destroyed the Jedi Order, and even the KOTOR Campaign Guide didn't call it that. It is just called the "Dark Wars".

[elfin anchor]

Tbh personally I would have liked to see a book series focused on the dark jedi exiles either the firrst generation ones (ajunta'sguys. Maybe to get an answer as to wether or not Ajunta Pall actually found the star forge as he vaguely implies in kotor 1) or the Tulak Hord/Kallig generation

also an answer as to how the Muur talisman ended up on Taris

[jovial ether]

Agreed. Ajunta Pall knowing about the Star Forge or implied to be is really interesting. How many years and/or generations do you think Tulak Hord must be after Ajunta Pall?

[jovial ether]

That too

[elfin anchor]

Thats a tough question but im thinking either 1 or 2. But thats just my gut feeling

[jovial ether]

Furthermore, what species is Tulak Hord? I recall it is never specified.

[jovial ether]

Generations I presume

[elfin anchor]

yes

[jovial ether]

Yeah. Darth Andeddu is a hard place to decipher in the timeline as well. I think Andeddu may be one of the Exiles though.

[jovial ether]

I wonder if he is human, Pureblood, a hybrid of the two, or another species altogether.

[elfin anchor]

and that one legend about Ajunta Pall that one of the Reclamation service officers briefly mentions on belsavis

[elfin anchor]

i'd say a hybrid

[elfin anchor]

for sure

[unborn brook]

Andeddu was known to body hop... So... You know... Lol

[elfin anchor]

and it just happens Tulak knew a ritual to body hop. Very sus

Maybe he was trying to copy andeddu?

his ritual seemed like a very convoluted attempt to do Anddedu's technique

[jovial ether]

The way Andeddu talks about himself and his long gone "peers" in Star Wars Legacy comics, by saying "us" all the time like how the Exiles called each other just seems like a damning piece of evidence among others for me.

[jovial ether]

For sure

Yes yes, people say Andeddu "learned secrets from Karness Muur" who is an Exile, but personally it never ever said that Andeddu was younger and/or learned from Muur as if Muur was a distant past. It just said Andeddu acomplished and learned a bit on things Muur discovered. Muur still could be a peer, perhaps a bit older, but a peer nonetheless.

[elfin anchor]

i imagined that Andeddu could have been just one of Muur's followers ngl

[unborn brook]

So Andeddu could be one of the unnamed members of the Twelve Exiles... Interesting...

[jovial ether]

I always had and still have this fun headcanon theory that Andeddu is the longest living Sith Lord. I always thought that after exiling himself to Prakith, he actually prologned his life and did not truly physically die until after Exar Kun but decades before Darth Revan.

[jovial ether]

There are some genuieses I know that have deciphered this a while back.

[unborn brook]

This is the first I’ve heard of this... So, I’m saying it’s interesting...

[elfin anchor]

we musnt forget that the mummified guys sitting in thrones that exar and palps talked to may have also included some exiles

[jovial ether]

I do think that Tulak Hord is post-Andeddu and the other Exiles though, though not that much after.

[elfin anchor]

tho i dont think ALL of them were exiles

[unborn brook]

There’s a council of mummitied remains?!!! Neat... The Afterlife Council...

[jovial ether]

Same. I think some of them were Exiles, but others were Dark Lord who have succeeded the Exiles and joined them in death after their time was over.

[elfin anchor]

i talked about them before, the guys in the hall of judgement

same ones that flexed to palpatine the fact that they lived for centuries

i actually really think its a missed opportunity we never got to see that undead council in SWTOR ngl

considering Gnost speculated that they were opposed to vitiate

[jovial ether]

Alrighty then. Since we can agree Andeddu was one of the Exiles, and going by your logic that Terrak Morrhage was the Dark Lord right before Hord rose to power, I wonder how long Morrhage lived after the Exiles.

[elfin anchor]

and really those guys must have been heavy hitters they almost killed palpatine too

[elfin anchor]

the encyclopedia bio implies Terrak's master was an exile imo

[jovial ether]

And that she was a woman too. Could it be Sorzus Syn herself perhaps?

Syn never had a tomb as far as I am aware.

[elfin anchor]

Thats what I like to headanon actually lol

[unborn brook]

Or Xoxxan...

[elfin anchor]

theres also Broodica if we wanna include FFG lore

[jovial ether]

I doubt it was Xoxaan. Morrhage's master was caught and executed by the Jedi, who almost certainly would not bury her on Korriban. Xoxaan was buried on Korriban after death, albiet, she was hidden.

[elfin anchor]

but really i think Sorzus fits the description the best

[unborn brook]

She pilfered an artifact from Syn... Heheh... Love that little tidbit in the Book of Sith...

[jovial ether]

Refresh my mind as I do not recall this character

[elfin anchor]

there isnt much on her, just named dropped in some fantasy flight games sourcebook iirc

[narrow mulch]

@elfin anchor has become a Rising Star of the Sith Empire for reaching rank 5.

[jovial ether]

Oh okay then, hahah.

[jovial ether]

Crazy ass theory and headcanon of mine that I have that The Entity in Sith Warrior storyline is Sorzus Syn's spirit. Little to no evidence for this, but I adore this little headcanon of mine.

[unborn brook]

She waited for Tenebrae? Huh?

[elfin anchor]

I think its just one of the fallen jedi that caused the third great schism tbh

[jovial ether]

To be honest, everything the Entity said is so cryptic. "I waited for my love your emperor". Also, why would she say "now I am forgotten again...and grateful" after Vowrawn frees her and she transcends into the Force. Why would she want to be "forgotten" if she was "waiting for Tenebrae"?

[jovial ether]

That is the most likely scenario. She could have been the starter of said schism as well.

How did Baras learn of the Entity? What is her "resting place" that she claimed he "descrated"? Is it a tomb? Is her body there?

Sure, there are theories of The Entity being Kreia/Darth Traya, but honestly...it leads a lot more can of worms and condradictions than actual connection(s) though

[elfin anchor]

i agree, i mean one of the writers implied that was their intent

but fuck that lol no way thats her

[jovial ether]

Drew said that according to my memory. He only wrote JK storyline though. A guy whose name I forgot created her and SW storyline

[elfin anchor]

if it were up to me i'd say maybe the entity and the jedi that started the schism were Nul's acolytes that Vitiate set loose to basically try to do what he did with Revan and Malak

but i admit this is reaching

[jovial ether]

I could accept that theory, but I would also like to add that if that is the case, The Entity must have been a really impressive individual based off of her codex entry.

She must have done a lot that hurt the Jedi and the galaxy at that time.

[elfin anchor]

yeah

well that schism itself seems wild

wasnt some ancient superweapon used

to destroy a system

coruscant also was a battlefield iirc

[jovial ether]

You are right. I think there were things akin to Infinity Gates that were used as well according to my memory too.

[elfin anchor]

ye

actual hyper war lol

[jovial ether]

True, haha

[elfin anchor]

Poor Odan Urr lol he lived through basically 3 sith wars (or 2, and he died knowing a third one was gonna start)

the period between the great sith war and the great hyperspace war is so underrated honestly

[jovial ether]

If we go by your logic, maybe The Entity wasn't one of the Jedi who turned away and started the Third Great Schism. Maybe she was already a great powerful Sith Lord in Vitiate's Empire with so much influence and power she maybe had a romantic affair, (or at least something like that and claims to be), with Vitiate. She could have then aligned herself with those Dark Jedi that fell away in the Third Great Schism and lead them. Perhaps she was behind the Dark Jedi causing the schism, or she just stumbled upon them and lead them. The real question is how was she killed and if her body remained or not. She did describe a "resting place" that was "desecrated" by Darth Baras, but I can't tell if she is talking about a tomb or grave. Even if it is obviously a tomb or grave, is her body there or no?

[elfin anchor]

third great schism, freedon nadd, athiss, vodal kressh

[jovial ether]

When was Vodal alive?

[elfin anchor]

i dont remember atm actually

think we discussed it last year at any rate

[jovial ether]

Let me look.

[elfin anchor]

could be. I also assume she died on corellia

[jovial ether]

Actually that has weight to it. Why would her ghost and Baras's power place be on Corellia of all places? What if the lair where SW frees The Entity IS her resting place that has been "defiled" and "desecrated" by Baras and he made a lair out of it?

So yeah, I assume she died on Corellia

[elfin anchor]

thats what im thinking, it otherwise imo makes no sense for baras to put his one trump card on corellia knowing its basically turning into space stalingrad

[unborn brook]

If it was Corellia, wouldn’t her resting place first be defiled by the Republic? Lol

[elfin anchor]

maybe Baras found the tomb or reawakened the entity

[jovial ether]

Been a while since I played SW, but we don't know for sure where Baras's lair where The Entity resides is located exactly right?

[jovial ether]

I always wondered what her role and relation to Vitiate is. Kinda vague on whether she calls him "my love" romantically or in another perhaps twisted affectionate way. What does it mean when she is "waiting" for him? That seemingly condradicts her saying in joy, "now I am forgotten again". Also, is she still around or did she pass on to whatever lay beyond in the Force?

Where are her physical remains? Assuming they are still around.

[elfin anchor]

no clue honestly its been a while since i played SW

[jovial ether]

Same here, haha

[mild jetty]

He was looking for a snack and found them

[jovial ether]

I am replaying it but have not gotten to the third act yet

[jovial ether]

Cannibalism

[mild jetty]

He got lost on the way to the corellian bbq. The map there is pretty confusing

[unborn brook]

Naw... Tenebrae’s a Sith... The Entity looks more human... Different species... Probably...

[jovial ether]

I think koobina was talking about Baras

[jovial ether]

Uh oh

Honestly, the way they introduced the Entity and how she was freed with the help of Vowrawn and SW in SW storyline made it look kind of like a Dread Masters like way. You see, in the SW storyline, The Entity seems to be a very powerful ancient threat, and she looks and seems to be really dangerous and evil. Just the way Vowrawn frees her seems like a big "uh-oh" to the audience narrative wise, almost as if Vowrawn unleashed a threat that would be a problem later. The reason why I thought that was because that is exactly how it played out in the "freeing the Dread Masters" from imprisonment Belsavis storyline quest played out, and we got them as big bads in Rise of Hutt Cartel.

So I was expecting her to be another threat like the Dread Masters, but alas, she never appears again

[elfin anchor]

He'd be a hybrid maybe? Would that still count as cannibalism?

[unborn brook]

Maybe... Would it depend on the dominant genes... Lol

[elfin anchor]

either way cannibalism aint even that wild for members of the Sith order tbh remember when the Krath served the heads of some guys they killed on plates? Or when Scabrous, before being infected, served someone's head on a plate as well lol.

That and just earlier I was remembering Red Harvest and how part of Darth Drear's ritual to gain immortality with his zombie virus involved eating a force user's heart cause of the high midichlorian concentration.

Man that book was hardcore lol

sith also drink their enemies blood they have this shit called bloodsoup

[unborn brook]

SOUP!!!

[elfin anchor]

lol

[unborn brook]

Blood broth!!! Mix in bone broth made from the enemy!!! Lol

[jovial ether]

Speaking of Red Harvest.....you are right. The book DOES mention the Sacking of Coruscant.

[elfin anchor]

"Sith are good" mfs when they are invited over to a sith lord's residence for dinner....

[unborn brook]

Meh... Lightning Fried Jedi is better...

[elfin anchor]

palpatine eating a worm in one comic as part of a ritual lol

[jovial ether]

This means that the book really is set in the Cold War. Kind of weird as the book doesn't have a lot of SWTOR references though.

[unborn brook]

Anakin ate worms for the hell of the game during a campaign in the Clone Wars... Lol

[elfin anchor]

yeah its kind of its own thing, i do really like it for that though. Made the galaxy during that time feel larger scale wise

we get to see another sith academy

which isnt korriban

which imo is nice

[unborn brook]

We know others exist... Malgus went to the Dromund Kaas academy, I believe...

[elfin anchor]

Though it really is weird in swtor no one even brings up the fact an entire sith academy got wiped out by a zombie virus

eh

oh yeah true

[elfin anchor]

should have used the red harvest virus instead of the rakghouls i guess

then again maybe it would have been weird cause star wars galaxies already used that same virus

swg had dathomir partially infected by blackwing virus which is an offshoot of the virus seen in red harvest

[unborn brook]

Sith 1: “Oh, you must have heard Harold got the Zomb-33 Virus last month, right?”
Sith 2: “Naw, the [Insert Academy name] got it... Poor Acolytes...”
Sith 1: “Oh well”
Lol

[elfin anchor]

nah lol the loss of odacer faustin should have been at least mentioned imo. Losing an entire world, sith library and academy must have hurt a bit

[jovial ether]

Were there any remaining zombies on Odacer Faustin's Sith acadey after the events of the book or were they all destroyed?

[elfin anchor]

I have no clue, i assume they were all destroyed

[jovial ether]

Same here. Anyways, in Red Harvest, Darth Scabrous said that Darth Drear, the original creator of the virus, invented it and infected himself with it. He tried to eat the healthy heart of a Force-sensitvie individual in a dark ritual that will make him immortal. He failed, and sucumbed to it and died. That means Drear must have been a zombie right? Then how come he is nowhere to be seen on Odar Faustin in Red Harvest?

Did Drear just die or he became a zombie and something else happened to him?

[elfin anchor]

Maybe he got put down?

[jovial ether]

That could be as well

[elfin anchor]

tbh you'd think vitiate would have been keeping tabs on darth drear unless drear's project was so obscure and crazy vitiate didnt care

or alternatively Drear was not part of vitiate's empire

[jovial ether]

I wondered if this zombified Sith dude might be Drear himself on the original front cover for Red Harvest. (Possibly on the backcover as well).

[elfin anchor]

after all odacer fausing is near Thule which wasnt a true sith world

[jovial ether]

How could that be though?

[elfin anchor]

check the maps

they're almost right next to each other

its very weird

[jovial ether]

God, you are right

[elfin anchor]

Similar issue with Oricon

Darth Vitus' world, yet its so far away from any nearby sith world

[jovial ether]

Wonder if not part of Vitiat's empire, what could Drear be a part of?

[elfin anchor]

lol if I tell you what I think you'd call me crazy

i'll dm

[soft matrix]

so far for the Khar Shian mission, I think we'll get the machine as a decoration

[unborn brook]

Hopefully!!!

[west sequoia]

between that writer comment and the codex entry it's kinda hard to say that the entity could be anyone else imo

[west sequoia]

8ATC and yeah it has a few errors like mentioning a character returning to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant

just seems weird that a book set so close to SWTOR doesnt seem to actually follow SWTOR

[jovial ether]

Yeah, I remember that.

[jovial ether]

I actually thought it was set in the New Sith Wars before I looked it up

[soft matrix]

I can see if Heta dies on 7.9, I can see Ri'kan attempting to become leader of the Hidden Chain forcing the organization to stay togetheras the clan leaders are more afraid of Ri'kan than Heta
even though the alliance between Jadus and the Hidden Chain isn't unstable already to begin with

[bitter cedar]

… And then he reclaims his homeworld Ryloth? I could see that

[elfin anchor]

So guys, i've been wondering a couple of things

When does Annihilation exactly take place? Yes I know, before Makeb and after Ilum but im mostly wondering about whether or not shit like Denova happens first

Player:
You can't pay me if you're wiped out. If the Empire keeps losing to the Republic, I might have to switch sides

Moff Altiss:
Not if we can claim Denova. The planet is rich with baradium, a valuable explosive ore.

I assume canonically the Empire did lose Denova?

Cause as of Makeb Marr does say the war is basically lost unless the Sith seize Makeb

[twin zinc]

Say

Did Akghal Ussar know Khem Val personally or was Khem actually such a legend in Dashade and Shadow Killer culture that he knew of him that way?

Shouldn't Khem be far far far before Akghals time or was the time between Tulak Horde and Marka Ragnos actually not that big?

Or do the Dashade just live far far longer then expected?

[native plaza]

he knows of him by reputation is my understanding I don't think he knows him directly

[elfin anchor]

Akghal lived during Exar Kun's time which is probably centuries if not a thousand years before Tulak Hord's time

i think Khem was just a legend imo

I guess its like I guess if you approached a macedonian or whatever and told him Alexander was a dumbass

[native plaza]

can't speak to that but Inquisitor speaking to him in the recrutment he says do not compare me to a legend such as Khem Val so he knew him somehow

[unborn brook]

Knew of him... As a legend?

[jovial ether]

Is Darth Angral angry?

[native plaza]

yes as a legend and sorry no you have that backwards Exar Khun was not before Tulak Hord... that's where I was unsure needed to look up the dates...

Tulak Hord (c. 5000+ BBY)
Exar Kun (c. 4000-3996 BBY)

BBY dates go down not up so Exar came after Tulak

[elfin anchor]

yes i misspoke

Exar was after Tulak

[elfin anchor]

if you killed his son yeah

Angral is so cool honestly i always liked him

[unborn brook]

Naw... He’s just Angy...

[jovial ether]

Fits the name

[elfin anchor]

underrated sith

[jovial ether]

Facts

Even his older design used in the comics was cool too

[native plaza]

my poor brain but yeah i think he only knows him as a great historical figure from my read on the converastion ... he says his service would pale compared to that of such a great legend or something like that

[elfin anchor]

Akghal is cool i actually like him more than Khem

cause Akghal was a warlord that seemingly led the Dashade during the great sith war

rather than just the servant of Tulak

[jovial ether]

Forgive me for my lack of memory, but Akghal is not the same Dashade who served Orton Cela right?

[elfin anchor]

and the lore with him has some interesting implications

no

akghal is the guy you get on yavin

[jovial ether]

Oh, that guy. Yeah

[elfin anchor]

cause wizards of the coast lore says that the dashade supported the sith during the great sith war

which would thus make you think that when the cron supernova happened Exar wasnt just betraying the Krath but also the Dashade

[native plaza]

I am glad we get him Khem only returns to Inq so now everyone can have a lovely force eating monster though Khem might have a better personality LOL

[jovial ether]

Who would want to romance Khem Val for those who want to? (This just occured to me)

Yo, what happens to Darth Baras if you choose to imprision him/banish him rather than kill him? I know that he appears in the Nathema Conspiracy if you play Warrior, but other than that, what is his fate?

[unborn brook]

Nathema with the Warrior... That is his fate if the warrior spared him

[jovial ether]

And if the Outlander is someone else?

[elfin anchor]

Then i guess its assumed Baras is either dead or plotting something against the warrior

[jovial ether]

Why would the Sith Empire be okay with banishing him? Lol

[unborn brook]

They never banished him... The tossed him in a cell and threw the key away...

[elfin anchor]

I can see the appeal in keeping him around though for dark side motives

like interrogating/torturing the shit out of him

cause of his huge intel network

I dont think thats the intention the warrior has if he chooses to spare him tho

but imo thats what the council, especially Vowrawn, would do

[west sequoia]

I think you've gotten the wrong memo, Exar Kun was only a decade before Revan

oh Rox already covered that

[west sequoia]

given the eventual significant presence of republic troops there, yeah

[west sequoia]

it doesnt seem like it has a more exact position in SWTOR's overall timeline than that, unfortunately

[west sequoia]

there's a whole set of class-variable NPCs that show up on Nathema to be fuel for Zildrog

probably the worst part of that update

[bitter cedar]

speaking of dashades made me wonder if that arcanum dashade boss died in the fight, looking it up looks like he did. I would love to see that npc dashade appearance offered as a customization tho

would Akghal have been around the same time as Nul or are those different eras?

[west sequoia]

we dont know when Nul was

[bitter cedar]

Nul got the fancy prison treatment in the mind trap while Akghal gets some pocket dimension cave

[unborn brook]

So? Tenebrae likely used what he had on hand... lol

[west sequoia]

also i'd argue Akghal's is fancier because it pops that entire cave into a different phase of existence and mind traps are just mind traps

[bitter cedar]

Hmm.. Now I wonder.. Is Jadus’s technique a temporary version of the prison dimension vitiate accesses/banishes akghal to ?

[twin zinc]

Damn so Khem really is like that like that

[twin zinc]

Do we know anything about the Sith ghosts that the Inquisitor absorbs?

Or can we kinda gauge their power?

[twin zinc]

What exactly are the Dreadmasters?

What is the extent of their power?

How long have they existed for?

[elfin anchor]

one of them was a member of the sith council of naga sadow's time and a close ally of ludo kressh

so if you buy all the hype that kreia has about ancient sith, then surely that guy was actually strong as fuck

Ergast is also interesting cause Kallig, iirc, implies that in his time ergast was around

yet we're told that ergast came up with the Force walking ritual like 300 years after Tulak Hord

either way the hype kreia attributes to ancient sith would also apply to ergast

[elfin anchor]

Brontes helped reconstrust? the dark temple something which could have happened at any point in time

[twin zinc]

HUH?!

[elfin anchor]

bestia, iirc, helped beat back some ziost rebels now i dont think vitiate's sith owned ziost until after the dark wars

[elfin anchor]

horak. The guy you bind on hoth

[twin zinc]

Jesus if true then boi

Some people throw them around and say they were just some bozos but on the council of NAGA SADOW?!

I wonder about Ashara's ancestor

[elfin anchor]

Its cause, in game, they all really seem quite lame tbf but yeah that guy must have been quite powerful

fun fact he didnt even first appear in the game, he actually showed up in the tales of the jedi comic series from the 90s

granted he did die like a bitch but i guess it can be excused cause he was taken by surprise

[twin zinc]

Lost that guy unfortunately cause I had to seem like a nice guy while I was grooming and manipulating a padawan to be my apprentice

[elfin anchor]

naga sadow essentially, for lack of a better analogy, had the massassi servants in his ships order 66 him lol

[twin zinc]

[elfin anchor]

i wonder about him too

sith in malak's empire

wonder if he was a Revanchist during the mandalorian wars

[twin zinc]

Darth Andru should be a strong one too if he got his own tomb

[elfin anchor]

lol my nox is just an asshole, doesnt care haha

[twin zinc]

Most of them should be very strong and probably be Dark Council level if you put it like that

[elfin anchor]

I only really think Ergast and Horak should have been strong as fuck

Idk about Andru and Ashara's ancestor. Going off by Kreia's scaling Ashara's ancestor would not really have been much compared to the others

[twin zinc]

Well considering he still is bound to the Jedi temple on Taris and can be summoned by Ashara I just headcanon my Darth Occlus to going back to that place and this time bindibg him forcefully

"You ain't escaping me fucker"

[elfin anchor]

honestly that guy could have a cool story

dont think jedi were supposed to have relationships back then

so he either had a relationship maybe during the mandalorian wars if he was indeed a vet

or as a sith

i personally do really like the idea that he was a revanchist ngl, one of the jedi that joined revan to fight mandos and maybe had an affair during the mando war

[twin zinc]

Could be very much the case considering he alludes to once being a Jedi but having been passionate for the sakecof peace of course

[elfin anchor]

yea

[elfin anchor]

KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC
Four thousand years before
the rise of the Galactic
Empire, the Republic verges
on collapse. DARTH MALAK,
last surviving apprentice of
the Dark Lord Revan, has
unleashed an invincible
Sith armada upon an
unsuspecting galaxy.

Kotor 1 text crawl

Assuming this is still canon of course

i dont suppose we know more of the other apprentices Revan had?

[subtle salmon]

If he did, Malak probably killed all of them

[elfin anchor]

well i was wondering if these apprentices were actually just the mando wars vets

the revanchists

though probably not

[dawn shore]

Are blue blaster bolts purely anti-droid

[west sequoia]

nah

ion weapons are generally depicted with blue effects but its technically a different weapon composition to regular blasters

[spare ridge]

Okay now that I got exilled here

Away from the surprisingly rare new players

[subtle salmon]

Seen few what I think are new players, can tell just by how many buffs they have on their toons

[soft matrix]

so, here's how I picture it going, our so called "allies" locked the alliance commander away in the same prison Malgus was in after the Enigma and escaping planet arrest. So, it's left to Lana and Theron to gather the forces needed for the battle on Khar Shian. They rendezvous with Jekiah and Rass leaving them wondering where the commander is or they figured it out blah blah blah. Coordinates with the Ordo brothers and Lane, need T7's help to download data from the enemy comms base on locating the machine. As allied Mandalorians, Rass, Torian and Akaavi face against Ri'kan and Hidden Chain forces, it'll be a full on battlefield between the Mandalorians. Meanwhile Jekiah, Lane and whoever isn't selected to go on the ground has to lead the alliance fleet against Durn Wynnward, the Hidden Chain fleet and Jadus' forces in orbit. somehow Rivix and whoever you selected to cross paths, fight. Then switching character to Malgus and Shae

what do y'all think?

[native plaza]

There are regular new players the questions asked tip you off... and actually the person who apparently shooed you to spoilers is new

[spare ridge]

So about my spoiler

Why do we have to save the mandos in the dlc?

Not our fault their tactics suck rocks

[west sequoia]

at which point

cus if its in kotfe ch14, you dont have to "save" them

[spare ridge]

How is a good guy Jedi Knight to the story?

I assume like a protector of the innocent

Even lets that one Watcher on Taris go

He was honorable enough to give you a deal

Give him enough time to interrogate the guy you came for in exchange for a tip about a Sith Attack

I prefer to send him to live a new life in the Republic

That is how you get new allies

[elfin anchor]

lol no mercy to the satanic space empire

total war of annihilation

the anti christ (vitiate) and his followers must be cut down its just the way it is

[elfin anchor]

so theres something i've been wondering

https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/the-barrager

a series of planetary scale turbolasers that can target and destroy whole enemy fleets in orbit, neutralizing both bombardment vessels and landing parties in one fell swoop.

For years, the primary obstacle preventing completion of the Barrager was the enormous power costs associated with such a weapon. How its engineers overcame this dilemma is unknown, but at last report the weapon was nearly ready to go online.

so how does this compare to actual movie era ground turbo lasers

[west sequoia]

considering the activated Barrager is said to consume the entire output of Balmorra's planetary grid, it seems like KDY eventually resolved that issue with the advantage of another 3600 years to work on it

ISDs are a lot larger than the Sith Empire's mainline ships so its not simply a more efficient version of the same system, the w-165 probably significantly outperforms the Barrager

[turbid peak]

Sure the Imperial-1 is like double the length of the Harrower-class, but iirc the Harrower-class consumes a decade's worth of output from a major planetary mining colony

[drowsy acorn]

I just recently got through Onslaught for the first time on the Imp side with my Sith warrior and man, I am deeply upset that I missed out on the chance of having Vowrawn as Emperor

becoming his Wrath would have been perfect given their connection in the base story

[west sequoia]

well lorewise its the worse option because he just lets all the two-bit sith run wild again

[jovial ether]

Thankfully I am siding with Jace Malcom for my Warrior

In War of Iokath

[drowsy acorn]

true, I suppose, it would still be nice to have that personal connection though

it doesn't matter for any of the other Imp characters, since neither of them have a connection to either Acina or Vowrawn

[jovial ether]

Are we gonna get another Emperor anytime soon? If not, will we ever?

[west sequoia]

i hope not

they should expand on the lore that they've already decided on

[drowsy acorn]

I only recently learned that I could have sided with Malcolm on Iokath and still gotten my boy Malavai back

so it would've been no big deal to dispose of Acina and then switch back to the Empire

[west sequoia]

i directed the newbie here specifically so that they wouldnt get spoiled on 7.x stuff, please keep it where it belongs

[jovial ether]

Sorry

[drowsy acorn]

no harm done, I'm not overly sensitive to story spoilers, just figured I'd avoid full on discussions of LotS stuff

[jovial ether]

What you need to know about LotS is that there are Sith, Jedi, and a story in it

[drowsy acorn]

Mandalorians too, or so I've heard

[jovial ether]

Yeah. We also see the return of Darth Baras the Wide.

J/K

[drowsy acorn]

he was too broad to die

[jovial ether]

Honestly I always wonder why he died instantly if you stab him with your lightsaber. Wouldn't some of his blubber protect him? Combine that with his thick armor?

[drowsy acorn]

that's Star Wars for you, getting stabbed with a lightsaber means nothing unless it does

[jovial ether]

Baras should have been Emperor

[drowsy acorn]

how would he ever fit on the throne?

[jovial ether]

He fattens up the throne obviously

Like a turkey

[elfin anchor]

Unironically he wasnt really that dumb tbh he would have made a good emperor