SWTOR Lore Discussion

[untold ibex]

I spent 40mins ingame asking around
Walking around zakuul and another 10min about kotxx gameplay just to see IF its royal or just a Zakuul insignia

To be fair
Half of the players ingame asked if they can see Vaylins feet or just talked about how "daddy" valk is the best

[vapid edge]

There's also the Dragon of Zakuul heraldy on Arcann's chest.

[lusty hill]

Do you think it's safe to assume the standard Vulptilla (the one that is light blue) comes from a cold climate?

[prisma portal]

yes

it's an OC for swtor and the dev post when it was introduced said

Quietly sneaking up behind it’s prey, the Vulptilla is an apex predator of the frozen wastes. Stalk the battlefield in newfound style with this ferocious mount!

[vapid edge]

I imagine its from Ilum

[prisma portal]

that would be the obvious choice with the crystals

but Ilum does not have any known areas with volcanic activity underground

so maybe it's also the polar caps and underground zones of Belsavis respectively

[stuck ice]

Idk where to write this but why does the Bounty Hunter have a lisp in the Bounty Contract Week cutscenes?

[bitter cedar]

itd be wild if they randomly decided to make a chrystophsis zone full of vulptillas

[dim crow]

How old even is Lana?

They gave her the old Asian lady face in latest art

Let me see birth year

[prisma portal]

likely between 40 and 50

I dont beleive we were ever given a date

but we meet her in 3637 bby

and she was already an adult then, somewhere between 20 and 30 I'd wager

and around 20 years have passed since ingame

she started working with Arkous (the imp side revanite sympathiser) in 3640 and she was already a lord then

another piece of evidence that suggests she was AT LEAST 20

[dim crow]

About as old as Sith can get

60 would be elder

Wait, player character isn't allowed to retire?

[prisma portal]

wdym? you can retire by not accepting the next purple quest at any time 😂

[dim crow]

Let's assume PC starts at 18 yo as a padawan/accolyte

Spends 5 years in cryo

Should be mid 40's by latest dlc

Player has to be born in 3660 bby at latest

[prisma portal]

if we start at 18 we would be hitting 41 this year yes

[dim crow]

With or without cryo?

Fucking auto correct

[prisma portal]

oh right

cryo.... does that stop aging?

well, biologically maybe

but do we celebrate our bday -5 after unfreezing 😂

[dim crow]

Yeah but we were also poisoned by the carbonite

So we should be 36 biologically at youngest

[prisma portal]

the story started in 3643 BBY

it is currently 3621 or 3620

[dim crow]

Or?

[prisma portal]

so tis been 22-23 years (optionally -5 carbonite)

hmmm

[prisma portal]

well idk how much time passed between the previous (pre-voice actor strike) and last (december 2025) story updates

dont believe we got an official info for that

7.6/7.7 were in 3621

7.8 is either still in 3621 or in 3620

[dim crow]

Talking of Sith or Jedi

How did any of them manage to create the Alliance?

[prisma portal]

but seeing as we didnt get real story in 7.6 and 7.7 it is probably still 3621

so 22 years after the start of class stories

so we're at least 40 by timeline progression adn at least 35 biologically

[prisma portal]

connections. I mean, you were a pretty big shot in whichever faction you did the class story / fought in the rgeat galactic war for

you then meet Lana and Theron, Lana being a high ranking member of sith intelligence and theron of the SIS respecitvely while Theron is also the son of the grand master of the jedi order and (at that point previous) surpeme commander of the republic military

[dim crow]

Its rare for Jedi to join a Sith's little resistance club

[prisma portal]

you then face the revanite threat which forces the empire and republic under marr and satele respectively to cooperate temporarily

and that is the first test for a cooperation technically working

that means when KotFE takes place 6 years later, we know that an alliance worked before

and at the same time, the galaxy has been overthrown by the zuakuul empire, old power structures have all but collapsed

and it is in everyone's ebst interest to secure their position with allies

it's not unrealistic, really

and as you cans ee it DOES fall apart after just a handful of years

which, again, is realistic

[dim crow]

So why do you keep the base?

[prisma portal]

as soon as the main objective of defeating Zakuul is completed and the big threat on the galaxy is eprceived to be gone, people start leaving, people start returning to their OG factions, people start fighting again

you keep the base because not everyone leaves the alliance

[dim crow]

But after Zakuul you aren't really empire or republic anymore

[prisma portal]

there are still obviously those from both sides that are sick of the old governments and structures, that either want to be free or that just found friends and work in the alliance

maybe settled down and founded a family on odessen or another planet in alliance space

there's plenty of reasons why people would wanna stay

the alliance loses a lot of its pwoer base with the destruction of the eternal fleet and gravestone, of course

but not beign THE major power in the galaxy anymore also means people can live a bit outside the eye of those in pwoer in other places

while still having the security of a trained alliance military to keep them safe

[dim crow]

As LS you want only to obtain peace

Not be emperor

[prisma portal]

arguably you also want peace as DS

the dfifference is light side means altruism so you want peace for everyone

whiel DS means egoism so you want peace for yourself xD

or the freedom to do whatever you think is right, might also be carnage, who knows

[dim crow]

Who should the Alliance support?

As an Imperial you are left for dead

As a Republic, you are also left for dead

[prisma portal]

reasonably, you should have the option to stay independent

BUT that would not allow the story to progress

and a third apth would make development with limtied resoures all the more complicated

so they have you choose

it's a practical reason

you CAN explain it in-universe by it also being a practical reason that you need to side with another decently powerful faction to ensure your own stability after the losses of the traitor arc

but you can make up your own reasoning, I still believe the actual reason is technical limitations and the game being unable to currently supprot 3 paths simultaneously with its limited resourecs and staff

heck, it would be 4 paths

republic, empire, ls alliance, ds aliiance

[dim crow]

If a Sith goes Republic, would it make sense?

They gave everything to the empire and was thrown like a wet rag

[prisma portal]

of course, it depends on your individual convictions and character development

hell, Scourge works with the Jedi in the Knight story and later with kira in the expansions

there is that one sith dude on tatooine you can send to the jedi temple

etc etc

[untold ibex]

Not to mention that you help satele and her padawans

[prisma portal]

you should realistically do what makes most sense to your character based on their personality and the experiences they had during the story

[untold ibex]

after meridian complex
as pub or imp

[dim crow]

My Sith is an odd specimen, he follows the light side but doesn't adere to Jedi's archaic rules

[prisma portal]

joining the republic does not mean joining the jedi

you can work with the republic but not join the jedi order and therefore not adhere to their code

[dim crow]

Basically what the jedi says on Korriban that if the Jedi got to him first he would make a good Jedi

But not really

There is a saying, giving in to the sins is losing the self to temptation, but following the virtues blindly forfeits the self

Both Sith and Jedi fail to see it

[prisma portal]

well yea

my first recommendation to every new player I come across

is to go to the settings, turn off all dialogue option indicators for light / dark points as well as companion approval / disapproval

and just go with the flow

choose what feels right

instead of choosing what you think you need to pick for some reason

[dim crow]

Yeah, old alliances fall in the Zakuul dlc

No one but Lana tried to find you past year 1

[untold ibex]

not true

[prisma portal]

not true, in most caes your old compaions also tried

but didnt have the resources needed to find and/or resuce you

[dim crow]

Only for first year no?

[prisma portal]

theres a lot of mentions of that in various conversations

and it varies by class and individual person

[dim crow]

In retrospect they should have known we weren't dead

No body means no death

Aakron would have paraded us if he went with execution

[untold ibex]

disagree

[dim crow]

Kings don't airlock their trophies

[untold ibex]

And yet
Many people died and their body was never found

[dim crow]

We were a trophy for allegedly killing the old emperor

[prisma portal]

they didn't parade around Marr's body either, did they

and I would argue that in the grand scheme of things we were at most as important as him, likely less

considering he was the de facto head of the dark council at that point

[dim crow]

The Public fears the player for killing the Eternal Emperor

We are a bonafied terrorist in the public's eye

[prisma portal]

the public ON ZAKUUL

[untold ibex]

^

[dim crow]

Where else?

[prisma portal]

your companions wouldnt have a clue what went on on Zakuul

hey were likely all wanted criminals in eternal empire space

[untold ibex]

not all

but most

[dim crow]

I want to get to Jessa Willsam and then resume side quests @prisma portal

[prisma portal]

then do that

[dim crow]

Why I said I wanted to rush Chapter 1

[prisma portal]

nobody is making rules for how fast or slow you have to go

choose your own pace

[dim crow]

Got 3 planets left

Nar Shedaa, Tatooine and Alderaan

I am not skipping cutscenes

Just doing purple quests

Alderaan boss fights might be hard

There is a security chief who is gold star rated and the jedi who protects Jessa's parents

But I think a LS Sith can sweet talk the Parents into joining

[prisma portal]

Alderaan SW doesnt have hard fights

Tatooine does tho

[lunar cipher]

That was the Trooper origin story;

It is definitely weaker than the previous Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior origin stories, I don't think the prologue or any of the chapters beats out the comparative equivalents. While it's companions are, in my opinion, a better selection than the Sith Warrior's, it still gets pounded by the Jedi Knight's trio of Kira Carsen, Lord Scourge and T7-01.

I played a Black Ops sort of Trooper, based him on Josh Brolin on 'Sicario', there was some great dialogue semi-consistently but only one moment of note ||which was getting to kill a senator in a senate hearing which was peak

Just like with the Sith Warrior, I struggled to bring forth the character I had in my mind through the game's limited options. Wished they had given us a choice to screw over Garza in some way

The more I play the SWTOR stories, the more I notice a heavy railroading taking place, the most egregious example in the Trooper story is shooting a senator in a senate hearing getting you a stern talking to from the senators and Garza and a cryptic email later on that, so far, didn't lead to anything.

It is an excuse to play more SWTOR, so I did enjoy it in a way but I had to headcannon a lot more on this one.

Getting to shoot that prisoner on Belsavis was cool too

[native plaza]

So you would rather a less open story locking in the parts you head cannoned to a set response to it? Rather than a story that is open enough to allow you to head cannon it differently in different playthroughs which in the end offers far more replayability for those of us creative about it than filling in every consequence (which frankly would be kind of prohibitive sprawl wise for the game)

[west sequoia]

yeah the railroading is the nature of video game RPGs, it just isnt feasible to give players every single possible option

[lunar cipher]

It's less I want more options and more I want the options I have to be explored more, their results.

And the game has done that before

If you play a LS SW like I did, your choices lead to an unexpected ending and a LS Jaesa Wilsaam that begins a new subplot about reforming the empire.

I really enjoyed that aspect

[native plaza]

some consequences take much longer to come back around ... others no it's not an all inclusive story but I'd enjoy it far less if it was more forced to follow a story by the devs not my character's arc I chose

lol yeah also not hte only way that plays out

[west sequoia]

idk if you can really call it a subplot if it just happens without your characters involvement

[native plaza]

but you can't cover every possible outcome the game would be impossibly unwieldy

[lunar cipher]

That was one of my dissapointments

Considering the basis of my SW was "What if a Sith tried to reform the empire from within?" I was exhilarated to find out that was an actual plot in the story

Then a bit dissapointed when it was reduced to a companion's conversation arc

[native plaza]

so curiuos i'm taking it your new to the game, just playing class stories and not played the expansions yet either?

[west sequoia]

comments like this make me wonder at what point did the original devs realise they werent going to make the game they actually wanted to make because EA said make an MMO

[lunar cipher]

It was made worse by the fact that the genius way Chapter 1 handled LS SW was completely missing from Chapters 2 and 3

Where your LS SW is mostly acting like a normal Sith

[west sequoia]

theres a lot of the alignment choice options that just boil down to, are you killing someone? DS

[lunar cipher]

[native plaza]

ok put Warrior next on my new project lol because I don't remember it being that way but it could be it's not a fav so it's been a bit longer than others

[west sequoia]

and when you actually think about what would happen in the aftermath of those choices, the "light side" choice is far worse, particularly for most of warrior ch2

[lunar cipher]

Are you gonna let this total random NPC you've met 5 minutes ago die or save him and get an email later?

[native plaza]

but light side or not you are still a sith and the wrath in that story LOL

[lunar cipher]

You are

But you get to join Jaesa in a quest to serve the light from inside the Empire

[west sequoia]

but yeah largely due to the nature of it being an MMO there arent any revolutionarily huge changes that happen off player choice

[native plaza]

no not always LMAO

pretty positive your sith can end up light or dark and still get light or dark Jaesa from what I've seen it boils down to a single choice lol

[lunar cipher]

Maybe but the way it worked out for me was absolute cinema

SW Chapter 1 is my favorite SWTOR chapter so far.

[native plaza]

the game does not close all the left open threads no but you can totally headcannon out from there ... i do it a lot as a matter of fact I'm preparing a playthough of Agent story specifically to use as example of headcannoned story played alongside what we do have

[lunar cipher]

But my favorite SWTOR moment is when I teared up while fighting The Emperor with my JK cuz A Jedi's Fury hit me hard

[lunar cipher]

Hey, it's the one I'm starting tommorow.

Playing a no-nonsense tactical genius Chiss, basically Thrawn if he was a spy

Need to settle on a name though

[native plaza]

agent is among my favs, and i love the interplay with the Chiss in it

[west sequoia]

in practical terms the most influential choices are the ones that add/remove companions

[lunar cipher]

I can't send my character artworks here but I also take a lot of care to get a design set on them

On Trooper, while I didn't land on what I had originally wanted, I got this Driumvirate (I think) armor set that is so bulky, makes my trooper look like a Space Marine

What if Trooper Chap 2 and Chap 3 were a direct continuation to Chap 1

And in those chapters, the Republic and Garza did the same to you as they did to Tavus in Ando Prime

And the final choice in Chap 3 is defecting with your squad just like Tavus did or remaining loyal

Now that would have been fun

[native plaza]

there isn't really a solid story to continue your mission was to find and bring in the traitors... done like any soldier you then move on to the next mission given you ... but it sounds like you have your possible Republic Sabatour for later

[lunar cipher]

I've been breaking my head lately and was able to come up where my SWTOR characters fit on the DnD Alignment Chart

Jedi Master Sanada - Chaotic Good
Lord Raadahn, The Emperor's Wrath - Lawful Good
Major Harker - Chaotic Neutral
Agent Mael'Kor - Lawful Evil

[untold ibex]

no DnD alignment chart

[winter trellis]

DnD alignment too narrow

[subtle salmon]

Just had a crazy headcanon I just recently thought of for my alien SW,
They were taken in by some Sith family and though treated close to a slave, the son of the Sith Lord even bullies them a lot. After many years of abuse, the alien child snaps and ends up killing the Sith Lords son. Though other Sith thought they should die, the father intervened saying “He proved he’s stronger than my son. Meaning he earned the right to become a Sith.” And ends up sending them to Korriban.

Just a rough idea of a alien backstory for a SW

[untold ibex]

Cool story headcanon
Just one thing is confusing

[subtle salmon]

Like what?

[untold ibex]

Why would a sith let him alive
We saw what happend with darth angral when his son died

[subtle salmon]

Think he just found it amusing and thought on seeing how far the alien would go with such hatred and anger

[untold ibex]

Hmmmm

Could make sense

[elfin anchor]

not all sith are like angral

[untold ibex]

Point but we all saw what happend when someone very close to a sith is gettin yeeten

Everyone goes on full massacre mode

[native plaza]

So sort of out of the blue (no pun intended) but Was there ever any story for Master Ranos, something that gave you who she was more than the small character description for her in the companion list? I know there have been stories added to the site over time just not seeing any so checking if anyone knows of or remembers from then if there was anything else... She's mysterious LOL which is fine, but I want to be sure if I head cannon a bit of background for her in my new story it doesn't trounce all over the story she might have

[west sequoia]

just her dialogue in the odessen base

[native plaza]

thanks kind of what i thought gues si flesh her out myself for this story LOL i'm ok with that, just prefer not to overwrite real story of a character if there is one

[elfin anchor]

is it me or does the Heart of Graush seemingly seem to have effects similar as to those of Force Walking as well as other cooler properties?

Using Sith magic and the most advanced technology he could find, Graush replaced his own heart with a Force-sensitive crystal capable of keeping him alive (some said invincible). The crystal was of the same kind used to entomb defeated Jedi in other Sith crypts, but it held Dark Side spirits collected over thousands of years. No one is sure who made the Heart, but Graush put it to good use. When his mummified corpse was entombed in the Valley of Golg, the Heart was entombed with it. The Jedi have been unable to locate the artifact to this day, despite a thorough survey of Graush's tomb made at great risk to the surveyors.

Source: Korriban: Planet of Lost Souls

This immense jewel was imbued with the dark side of the Force by Dathka Graush more than 7, 000 years before the Battle of Yavin. Graush removed his own heart and replaced it with the jewel, hoping to keep himself alive forever. It was believed that the jewel contained more than 1000 Sith spirits, but that didn’t prevent Graush’s inevitable death. The Heart of Graush was buried with him in his tomb on Korriban, where it awaited another being’s touch. The Heart would then take possession of his or her spirit, giving Graush momentary life. As long as the Heart remained in contact with the being, Graush could regenerate.

The Heart was found by pirate Naz Felyood, captain of Jynni’s Virtue, during the New Order. The ship crash-landed on Korriban after escaping an Imperial boarding party, and Felyood set out to scout the location. He stumbled into Graush’s tomb and tried to take the Heart, inviting the possession of the Sith spirit and unleashing Korriban Zombies. The Heart was lost when Babbnod Luroon destroyed the Jynni’s Virtue, and Captain Felyood was doomed to wander Korriban forever as an undead being, searching in vain for the jewel.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopaedia

The term used to describe those beings reanimated after their deaths by the ancient magic of Dathka Graush. After Graush’s murder, the spirits of these zombies were captured in the crystal called the Heart of Graush, which was later buried with Graush in the Valley of Golg. The spirits that possessed the dead bodies were released whenever a person touched the Heart of Graush. They then set off, searching for their old bodies as well as living flesh to eat, infecting their victims to become more zombies. The only way to kill one of these zombies was to cut off its head.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopaedia

[unborn brook]

Never thought about it that way, but perhaps it inspired Tulak’s method of spirit consumption who then inspired Ergast?

[elfin anchor]

thats more or less what i was thinking actually

It would also appear that this artifact didnt seem to really damage Graush's body too btw as he still had a thousand sith spirits trapped and his body seemed to be handling all that power with no issue i assume

[unborn brook]

Probably because the power was within his cold, ruby heart... Unlike the Inquisitor which bound a lot of ghosts within themselves...

[mild jetty]

Valkorion? Nul? Vaylin? Zash? All the ones from the class story? Just let 'em in. Open border policy. My head is pretty empty so they have plenty of room. Let them have a little party. I'll start collecting property taxes

[unborn brook]

Yummy... Ghosts...

[elfin anchor]

you know, im curious as to what everyone's take here is. I've been wondering what could have happened over the years up until the movie period to some of the dread artifacts such as the dread holocron or literally anything in Oricon

part of me kinda wants to say that at some point Darth Phobos found the dread holocron or something lol, and that by the time of the movies it, and maybe some other dread master shit, ended up stored in the black vault and then after order 66 palpatine had everything there taken to Byss

[subtle salmon]

Was probably lost or destroyed

[elfin anchor]

you know a thought came to my mind the other day and i cant quite find a good explanation at all.

Basically its about Moffs in the Empire. You see, the title of Moff and Grand Moff wasnt invented by the Sith Empire. It was given to warlords of sectors allied to the Galactic Republic waaay before the Sith Empire was even a thing. Essentially, given to the warlords running small client states of the Republic. Those that controlled large chunks of space were called Grand Moffs.

Now, I can kind of see how the Sith even learnt of that term. Ajunta Pall and his dark jedi exiles could have worked alongside some Moffs during the Hundred Year Darkness I guess.
I am unsure if there even could have been Moffs in the firts Sith Empire, however. But I could see some kissai warlords being called moffs. Or the sith empire having allied moffs much like the Republic did. But thats besides the point.

And, most importantly, Im not even sure what responsabilities the Moffs in Vitiate's Empire even have.
In Revan's sith empire, according to the KotoR campaign guide by Wizards of the Coast we are told that a single sith lord has the same authority as a Moff in the Galactic Empire (in other words, a sith lord controls a sector. In theory, one lord per sector). As far as we know, there were no Moffs in Vitiate's Empire.

In vitiate's Empire, Im not even sure what sort of authority a sith lord even has, and moffs just seem to be simple military leaders that command naval and ground forces according to the encyclopedia.
I dont think we ever see a single random sith lord control a sector. Of course, there exists the possibility that most of the lords we meet are just 'low' importance lords handling smaller scale stuff.

In the Galactic Empire, Palpatine basically brought back the term Moff and these Moffs developed a rivalry with the senate. In the Dark Empire sourcebook we later learn that Palpatine's endgoal was to establish a dark side theocracy in which he planned to place force users mentally linked to him as Moffs and Grand Moffs (essentially more or less he wanted to make a sort of Sith Empire and these moffs would have basically been equivalent to a sith lord in Revan's Empire)

[void pelican]

palpy’s moffs were basically military governors

[elfin anchor]

do you think the swtor ones were like that too?

or were they more like the old republic ones that acted like sort of semi autonomous warlords

[west sequoia]

i'm pretty sure some of them are outright stated to be sector governors

[elfin anchor]

the swtor ones?

[west sequoia]

but most just seem to be military commanders

[void pelican]

Well, the difference between a warlord and a moff is that one is more independent

A moff is both governor and fleet commander

[elfin anchor]

thing is originally moff was basically just a warlord aligned with the republic apparently the republic invented that term for the warlords that joined them

[west sequoia]

the main thing that comes to mind is quesh where there are like 4 moffs working together

[void pelican]

Yeah, it’s weird. Maybe in SWTOR it’s a combined-arms-commander thing?

[elfin anchor]

it made me think that the sith empire also had non force sensitive warlords who instead of declaring loyalty to the republic instead submitted to the sith order

[void pelican]

so where you have units that are army and navy under one org chart the leader would be a moff, not a general or admiral

if that makes sense

[elfin anchor]

i just find the usage of that term interesting since at this point in the timeline its reserved for those guys running semi autonomous regions in the republic.

I dont think the writers took that into account tho lol

[elfin anchor]

and im not entirely sure if this fits well with their portrayal seen in the game. Granted i dont think we get much detail over the responsabilities of a moff other than that they command fleets and ground forces and thats it

[west sequoia]

the only thing i can really think of relating to aligned warlords would be the planets they infiltrated ahead of their invasion

and that's still something like 30-40 years before the setting of the MMO

[elfin anchor]

there is also Grand Moff Vaiken being around so soon after the Great Hyperspace war, almost making me think the old sith empire also had moffs lol

[void pelican]

honestly i think the devs just stole the title because palpy’s empire had it

[west sequoia]

tbh the bottom line is that a lot of SWTOR's depiction of the sith empire is OOU deliberately mimicing the galactic empire

just off the cuff, maybe sadow heard of republic moffs during the GHSW or even directly encountered some, thought it was a solely military position and assigned it to some of his own underlings
or its the evolution of some sith term that through convergent linguistics has come to mean exactly the same thing as the independent term the republic came up with

like how there's two contentions for the in-universe origin of the title 'darth'

[unborn brook]

Wish there were more Tales of the Jedi styled Sith... (At the very least visually more like TotJ)

[elfin anchor]

yup, though I wont lie I kind of do somewhat like the idea that the sith empire not only had sith lords but also non force sensitive warlords running their own regions

[elfin anchor]

if anything the ajunta pall era exiles just knew of the moffs or even had some during the hundred year darkness

[west sequoia]

the sith are busy doing sith stuff so they delegate the day-to-day operations to non-FS underlings

[west sequoia]

yeah that's another good point

[elfin anchor]

you dont think they control their own worlds like they did in other empires?

[void pelican]

i think as long as everyone bows down and fears them most sith don’t wanna do the paperwork

so you have people for that

[elfin anchor]

granted i cant think of any examples of a sith in the game owning a world actually

[west sequoia]

i think they 'control' them as far as they don't get competing orders from someone higher up the command chain

[void pelican]

And if your people mess with your finances or whatever, that’s why you have a lightsaber

[elfin anchor]

only that the 7 dark councilors left alive as of the signing of the treaty of coruscant got 7 worlds each from the republic according to the Theron shan comic

[west sequoia]

there's definitely the general mention of sith having entire worlds as their powerbases and various disputes over various locations

[elfin anchor]

interesting, i honestly just envisioned most sith empires as being structuraly more like a feudal realm lol

[void pelican]

seems about right

[elfin anchor]

i guess similarly to the Holy Roman Empire kinda?

[void pelican]

a mix of feudal-ish sith lordships and a central bureaucracy

like there’s only one ministry of logistics

[elfin anchor]

and each dark councilor seems to have its own armed forces despite two dark councilors having influence over defence and offense?

[void pelican]

The overall imperial military actually got split three ways

[elfin anchor]

made me think the spheres of influence were in regards as to which dark councilor got influence over which part of the emperor's powerbase but each dark councilor would still have its own personal powerbase if that makes any sense

[unborn brook]

The Emperor has two power bases... His personal one; Nul, the Children, and his Hand; and the power of his Empire...

[elfin anchor]

i imagined his personal one must be huge and not just his esoteric stuff

[unborn brook]

I also forgot about the Emperor’s Imperial death cult from the Knight story...

[elfin anchor]

to maintain a grip on the other sith lords the other day i was reading the Knight Errant novel and basically its set in the new sith war period like 30 years before Darth Bane, but the dynamic of the Sith Family running the sector was something that caught my attention

give me a sec

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“You know of the Sith Lord Chagras,” Arkadia said.
Kerra nodded. Chagras had controlled Darkknell before Daiman.
“Chagras and Xelian were brother and sister—two of the seven children of Vilia Calimondra.”
Kerra hadn’t heard the latter name. But Xelian, she knew, was Daiman and Odion’s mother. Chagras was Odion and Daiman’s uncle? That was something the Sithologists of the Republic had never heard. The researchers she’d studied under weren’t clear on who Odion and Daiman’s father was—just that he had been out of the picture for many years. But neither brother acted or looked much like the popular image of Chagras. His empire had been reasonably orderly.
“I think you’re going to have to start at the beginning,” Kerra said.
“The fountainhead,” Arkadia said, teeth glinting in the shimmering light, “is Vilia. My grandmother. Over the years, my grandmother acquired several dead husbands—and a sizable empire.” Above, large blocks of space blinked into icy blue, one section after another.

“But Vilia had a problem. Each of her marriages produced offspring. And those seven children, grown, each claimed the right to be her sole heir.” Above, seven worlds dripped red. “So she proposed a contest. The Charge Matrica. Whichever child expanded her holdings the most would have her whole legacy, when the time came.”
Kerra stood up, mesmerized by the display. “When—when was this?”

“Thirty-four years ago. Before you, or I, or the so-called creator of the universe was born,” she said. “So the challenge began.”
Above, the blue areas swelled, sprawling across sector borders and filling in gaps. Every world, Kerra realized, was one of the many that lost its freedom—one of the planets Vannar Treece had fought to save.
“It worked,” Arkadia said, “for a while. But Sith don’t play fair. When her bid began failing, Xelian—Odion and Daiman’s mother—declared war on Chagras. My father.” Arkadia clasped her hands together and looked down at them.
Kerra looked at her, stunned. Chagras’s daughter.
“That broke it,” Arkadia said. “All of Vilia’s children went to war against one another. My grandmother seemed … strangely unwilling to referee. And our joint cause suffered.” In the holographic display around them, the blue mass of space stopped growing and began to fragment, breaking into multicolored zones. “For years, Sith conquests in this region stalled due to the infighting. Until only Chagras was left from his generation—and peace came.”
“I know,” Kerra said. She had been born into that island of relative silence. No one had ever known why the internecine violence had stopped. Her parents were simply glad that it had, so they could stop fleeing. “Did your father win Vilia’s legacy?”
Arkadia stiffened. “Yes. And no.” She began pacing around the flickering pylon. “He was sole heir. But Vilia yet lived, and so retained most of her holdings. All my father was guaranteed was the cooperation of his many nieces and nephews in restoring all that had been damaged. Ten years ago, Chagras was ready to face the Republic anew.”
“Aquilaris,” Kerra said. “Chagras sent Odion to conquer Aquilaris.” My homeworld. She glared at Arkadia.
Arkadia returned her gaze. “You lost your family, I take it. Well, we are joined in sadness—for before many more worlds fell, Chagras died suddenly, eight years ago. And eight years ago …”

“A second Charge Matrica began,” Kerra whispered. “Among the grandchildren?”
“Among the grandchildren.”
Arkadia let the words sink in as, above, the star map showing took on a leprous aspect. The Chagras Hegemony shattered into five shards. Then ten. Then more.
“Daiman and Odion went to war first,” Arkadia said. “They barely needed the excuse. On Byllura, where my father had placed my troubled brother and sister for safekeeping, Calician took control and began to build a state around Quillan and Dromika. There are others,” she said, almost somberly. “I can’t even remember them all, sometimes.”
Kerra’s head spun. “Wait a minute. You’re telling me every Sith Lord who’s warring out here is related?” It was just too fantastic—and something no one, not even Vannar, had ever heard. “You’re all cousins?”
“No, not by any stretch,” Arkadia said. “Not even all the human Sith Lords trace back to Vilia. But it is a big family. There are also half-breeds—and some outsiders, like Calician, who try to figure in,” she said. “It’s all about impressing Grandmother.”
“So she’ll remember them when she dies?”
“She favors them now, too,” Arkadia said. “Vilia doles out assets from her holdings occasionally as rewards.”

the point im trying to make here, is that the dynamic described here is more or less how i envisioned how most sith empires worked but at a larger scale (these guys are just confined to just one sector)

[west sequoia]

eh, the new sith war is a very different dynamic

the early days of Vitiate's reign, the Sith Empire was still very much an ethnostate

[elfin anchor]

Im not sure at least when it comes to this, i can totally see this dynamic being how guys such as Marka Ragnos, to name an example, kept their sith lords in line

[west sequoia]

Marka Ragnos kept the other Sith in line by being unstoppable

[elfin anchor]

i mean yes that too but i meant more like, politically not just through sheer might

[unborn brook]

Add to that pit rivals against the other...

[west sequoia]

every dead contender is a demoralization for the next potential one

[elfin anchor]

and while the other sith empires were more of an ethnostate, true, there still were different families

[west sequoia]

after the fall of Adas there wasnt a true Sith Empire for something like 20,000 years

and a unification only happened because of outsiders

[elfin anchor]

The sith ruler handing out assets from his or her holdings occassionally as rewards; trying to keep the infighting going, letting the lesser lords fight each other or not depending on the circumstances; all within the overall empire they had

thats what im trying to say basically; thats kind of how i imagined the relation between these old sith emperors and their lords was like

[west sequoia]

although Adas' title was King, not Emperor, so it was more fractious competing Sith Kingdoms vs a united singular Kingdom rather than an Empire

[elfin anchor]

“Bactra’s territories have already fallen to those nearest: Daiman, Odion, Lioko, and Malakite,” she said, gesturing to a couple of Sith Lords whom Kerra hadn’t seen before. “That is as it should be. But his greatest assets are his corporate holdings, which call no single world home.” She reached to the side, out of the projected image, to retrieve a small parchment. “I now dispose of these. Industrial Heuristics and all affiliated enterprises, I give to Daiman.”
A laugh went up from Arkadia’s left. Kerra could only see Daiman’s back from where she was kneeling; he was definitely paying attention now. Off to the right, Odion was stiffening against the muffled laughter of some of his virtual cousins.
“The bequest doesn’t change anything,” Odion said, his scarred face filling with rage. “I occupy Bactra’s capital. If the little snot wants these—these merchants, he can come and get them!”
“The award has been made,” Vilia said, turning toward the image of her massive grandson. “The planet is yours, my Odion, but you will give the executive staff time to relocate to a position behind Daiman’s borders.”
“I’ll send the corpses!”
“That is enough,” Vilia said.
The room instantly quieted. For the first time, Kerra saw the eyes in that kindly face clearly: bright and red. Suddenly self-conscious, she scooted farther back against the wall.
“Far be it from me to preach to you on philosophies, Odion,” the old woman said, softening. “You each have your own approach—and I respect that. I applaud that, in fact. But corporations are not to be destroyed lightly.”
“They’re a tool of the Republic,” Odion snarled.

“And the Republic is a tool of the corporations,” Arkadia interjected.
Vilia smiled, recognizing Kerra’s hostess for the first time. “Very good, Arkadia. I know how you all were taught. You recognize power when you see it.”
The dowager looked away for a moment. “But perhaps something from my own complement will balance the accounts for you, Odion,” she said, lifting a datapad. “Here. Two legions of Trandoshan slave-warriors, from my forces. I award them to you. They’ll arrive in your territory in three days—just as the Industrial Heuristics corporate staff leaves your space for Daiman’s. Understood?”
Odion bristled. Finally, ever so gently, the glistening head nodded.
Kerra placed her hand over her mouth to stifle her gasp. The destroyer of the universe, brought down by his grandmother!

for context here some of the most important lords of the calimondra family met and discussed how to partition the territories of Bactra, an allied lord but not part of the family

kind of imagined these were the sort of discussions that sometimes were had in sith councils too

[west sequoia]

i imagine somewhere there are those sorts of dynastic politics within Vitiate's empire but they're probably not terribly commonplace

in fact I think I was writing my own dynastic Imperial family for RP backstory stuff, I just didn't really get around to making the full set of characters

the seventh estate isnt much so the straight-laced officer that's "higher up" in the family heirarchy also has a kinda rebellious big-game-hunter mercenary aunt

agnatic primogeniture goes brrrrt

[elfin anchor]

i guess i sort of just imagined that these sort of interactions were common in most of the old sith empires, like i could totally see Marka Ragnos taking Vilia Calimondra's role while Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh are the Daiman and Odion of their time

[west sequoia]

that was more of a competing lineages/dynasties thing rather than competition within a single family

[elfin anchor]

yeah but overall the interaction would have been more or less the same within the council is what im trying to get at, like I imagine as ruler of a way larger empire encompassing so many systems and sectors Marka Ragnos would have had to deal with his sith council in a similar way

and, im also thinking similar dynamics were present in the dark council except without Vitiate interferring as often.

[west sequoia]

i wonder if something in that Calimondra family thing I'd read before and a part of it got lodged in my brain because my OC family idea also has 7 siblings

[elfin anchor]

they had way more than 7 in the book, but only a few of them get named

Knight Errant is a very interesting setting honestly, but i think only the book is really actually good, the comics are quite a hit or miss

[west sequoia]

fitzroy, fitzsimmon, fitzsith

[west sequoia]

i imagine the 7 children mentioned here are the legitimate ones, the core concept of this very much sounds like "what if we took historical royal drama about succession and put it in star wars"

[elfin anchor]

those are certainly the more or less important ones

i was very disappointed the other day when i found that someone already named their toon Chagras

[west sequoia]

it actually seems like something Acina might have done to curb the infighting, placate someone by giving them governorship of a previously "unclaimed" territory, either a new acquisition or something that just hadn't been picked up by a specific Sith in the reshuffle

[vapid edge]

wuh... LS choice actually gave him most horrible death

[unborn brook]

Nothing says Light side as long death... The Dark side’s premium is giving quick deaths... Lol

[subtle salmon]

Here thinking DS would be the long and painful death, while LS was the quick death

[vapid edge]

wait forgot.. he couldn't die yet

just flambéed

oh he was voiced by Nicholas Boulton... no wonder he sounds hot

[elfin anchor]

what do we know about the roiginal plans for the post Ziost story before they settled with the Zakuul stuff

[west sequoia]

i dont recall them ever saying anything and with the kotfe concept art being dated to 2014 i think they might have thrown the proposal in somewhere around the time of the disney buyout just to see what would happen

[elfin anchor]

hmm

i was asking cause i found concept art on reddit about a supposed world simply called emperor's planet and the OP said that this was meant to be a world for the post SoR storyline

yet he provided no sources at all

[west sequoia]

yeah it being a pitch doesnt mean they accepted it

[elfin anchor]

im just interested in even finding out where he got that info from

for all i know this could just be a dromund kaas concept art

[west sequoia]

dromund kaas wasnt a new planet though

[elfin anchor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/c4py0c/canceled_world_the_emperors_planet/

https://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/bt7avm/deep_dive_canceled_swtor_content/

[elfin anchor]

true, however im unsure if this later ended up becoming dromund kaas or not because its too similar in some aspects

not sure where he got the info claiming that this is for a post SoR story

[west sequoia]

im assuming that pic is a collage pulled from multiple artstation posts but that post doesnt actually provide a source

[bitter cedar]

yeah it was an artstarion post of something a concept artist for the game worked on. i think they decided to not go that route and go with the zakuul solarpunk aesthetic instead

[west sequoia]

nothing punk about zakuul

[bitter cedar]

im pretty sure this was not concept art for the vanilla game, it was post-launch and the timing of post shadow of revan

[bitter cedar]

is solarartdeco the word

[west sequoia]

sure

its kinda art deco-y

[hollow yacht]

Su cuy gar

[elfin anchor]

i was thinking about it the other day;
So:

1. I assume that Ergast stored his spirit, for some reason, inside his holocron in a similar way Andeddu stored his spirit inside his own holocron?
2. How did Darth Vilus and Darth Iratus learn of the ritual of force walk? Did they also bind Ergast before (implying that after those two died, Ergast went back to his holocron as the Holocron could act as a sort of tomb that binds his spirit)? Or did they learn it through other means?

[native plaza]

Not every spirit we bind with that ritual had used it they are spirits, ghosts, left roaming in those places

The force walking is about binding the spirits, not about staying behind as a force ghost

[unborn brook]

2. Yeah, I would think they learned from Ergast... Either that or they crafted a similar ritual...

Then when they drank too much Ghost Aid, the spirits would likely be released when the body fails...

[unborn brook]

ALSiD is not talking about the Sith the player binds...

Vilus and Iratus are Sith who also consumed ghosts and had similar side effects to the player, their mind cracked and their bodies were failing...

[native plaza]

ah your right my bad on those two my confusion too many names clearly too long since I did that part of that story (time for another Inq lol) but not sure I would jump to infering they learned it the way we did, they were older I'd have to have more info on timeline, if either was contemporary with Ergast they could have both known it, or learned it from other sources Kallig says there was rumors of those who had that power in his time so it's possible it was more common at some point too

[unborn brook]

I’d argue Kallig and Ergast are contemporaries because Kallig guided us to Ergast’s burial...

[native plaza]

I would agree there just no idea if the others were or possibly Ergast's apprentices before he died etc

There is a small chance he knows of Erghast just by being in the tombs and roaming them too not sure we have 100% info for that part

[unborn brook]

Ergast isn’t in the Dark Temple where we find Kallig... (Kallig being able to travel away from the Dark Temple is likely tied to the player)

[native plaza]

that's why I agree it's most likely that and the fact he says he was awoken by our player grasping her first lightsaber or something similar if memory serves (and I could have that a bit wrong but I do re member something about feeling the player's power being some part of that discussion) just no idea if he's bound by the building or could roam further

that said I remember it differently wasn't he himself on the first floor of the dark temple?

[west sequoia]

he does visit you a few times but also mentions it requires a lot of energy on his part to manifest away from the dark temple

[native plaza]

yup 100% time for yet another Inq run LOL

[west sequoia]

the initial archaeological incursion into the dark temple was what reawakened kallig, then the player inq taking up their lightsaber is what had him return to his proper awareness of being a spirit

[native plaza]

too much Chiss Agent time lately LOL

[unborn brook]

Oh yeah... Andru was the one buried elsewhere... Ergast was in the Temple... Oops... Lol

[native plaza]

it's a sith afterlife party in there lol

the one that surprises me is the one upstairs who's views are so very opposite the sith lol

[unborn brook]

A shame they don’t have Ghost-Aid

[unborn brook]

Ah... The heretic...

[native plaza]

8.0 The Ghost Band in the Dark Temple (joke but lol)

we could get some great music from that LOL

not that we don't get great music with star wars in general lol

[unborn brook]

No, that can be 8.4...

8.0 has to be a Vacation gone wrong with Alliance Leadership...

[native plaza]

Va ca tion

Theron has been telling us we need one for a while LOL

[unborn brook]

Theron likes saying that word...

Va-ca-tion...

[native plaza]

I just did Illum last night (since i can't skip anymore lol) even did the bonus boss that I rarely bother with anymore because I was oh wait did this maybe hitn at what we have right now lol but it's definately not Null haha

couldn't remember off hand but we also don't get a name (would have been a really cool tie in even if they swapped that out later to fit)

[west sequoia]

yeah that dude's always been a bit of an interesting mystery

[unborn brook]

Clearly, he’s Nul’s cellmate... For some reason...

[native plaza]

but hey never know maybe somewhere it ties back in lol Null's apprentice or something lol

[west sequoia]

eh if they were going to make a deeper tie to that they'd have done so in the section of GT where you go to the inexplicable wreckage of the emperor's station on ilum

[native plaza]

at least now we have something we could head cannon him into in a way lol

yeah lol

[unborn brook]

That mysterious Sith died in False Emperor while “Emperor”!Malgus gave him yard time... Lol

[native plaza]

lol well he was a Sith entity, maybe cousin to the entity we talk to on Warrior on Corellia somehow lots of little loose bits here and there to tug on with no real explination

[elfin anchor]

im actually not sure how much older they really are. Voss got rediscovered relatively recently and Belsavis got discovered by the Sith also quite recently no? That makes me think Vilus and Iratus died relatively recently

[elfin anchor]

i agree, though iirc it would seem that Ergast far outlived Kallig because his made the force walking ritual a few centuries after Tulak Hord's own spirit eater ritual

[elfin anchor]

nahh clearly thats Vodal Kressh's spirit that Malgus brought to the Emperor's Fortress during his coup :p

(if u mean the bonus boss you find in the false emperor flashpoint)

[elfin anchor]

Now just hear me out....

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/20/Iokath_species.png/revision/latest?cb=20180105101839

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Muun/Legends

[unborn brook]

Crack theory, but fair...

[elfin anchor]

quite funny how the guy that wrote supernatural encounters thought that the Iokath alien could have been a Zanibar. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zanibar

Yet here i am thinking that it could have been a muun. However i just now realized Muunilist and Xo are super close lol

Iokath scientist explaining how his new superweapon works:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6aakR-rUDho

[unborn brook]

An Ancient Muun artificial colony, Iokath... Lol

[elfin anchor]

🔥 ✍️

[lunar cipher]

Hello guys, with the SI prologue over, I can finally rank all 8/8 prologues in SWTOR;

PROLOGUE
JEDI CONSULAR
SITH WARRIOR
JEDI KNIGHT
BOUNTY HUNTER
SMUGGLER
TROOPER
SITH INQUISITOR
IMPERIAL AGENT

[subtle salmon]

Suddenly that’s making me think what if those two races fought each other but the Rakata won

[west sequoia]

the rakata would create the star pantsshitter and pump 83 terawatts of darkside energy straight into iokath and brownnote the entire sphere

there's something very corporate-sounding around basically all the iokath lore so all their master designers would probably still be in a committee meeting somewhere when the rakata rock up

[elfin anchor]

i always imagined that the Iokath guys came at some point after the Rakata

[bitter cedar]

I think It was hinted in a stream that iokath may have warred with the gree at some point

[west sequoia]

there is actually a hint to Iokath's placement on the timeline but the related lore does suggest a very long timespan of activity

this too

In the current Star Wars canon, the Iokath system was mentioned in the article "Star Systems of the Galaxy" published on StarWars.com on June 24, 2025.[1] The Iokath system was first introduced in the Star Wars Legends continuity in BioWare's 2011 massively multiplayer online role-playing game, Star Wars: The Old Republic, specifically in the 2016 Knights of the Eternal Throne expansion.[2] The "Star Systems of the Galaxy" appendix initially placed the Iokath system in grid square G-5,[1] the October 14, 2025[3] update to the appendix changed its grid square to D-7.[1]
well ok thats interesting

[bright phoenix]

it is indeed

the fact that they felt compelled to give Iokath a placement all of a sudden, the fact that they came up with the avernio system based on a line of dialogue by aries and put both of them in the same grid square (G-5)

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Avernio_system

but THEN they moved Iokath into D-7, which is only populated with Zahn related contributions

Zahn did contribute during the Traitor arc when we went to Copero to nab the map to Zildrog, but that's about the only relevant connection I can think of

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GjMROy2SIw0

[bitter cedar]

No way, Iokath mentioned in canon?

[bitter cedar]

Iokath x chiss lore incoming? Iokath being the ones that actually held off the Grysk in the past or something like that would be interesting to explore

[west sequoia]

"we have some nice weapons that might help you with your problem"

[bitter cedar]

Kind of seems to fit with the chiss having such futuristic looking ships in canon

[west sequoia]

the ascendency sees the clip of izax being unleashed on a pre-industrial civilization and go "thanks but no thanks, we'll stick with the big charric"

[bitter cedar]

Does Aires mention the avernio system or g-5 space?

[west sequoia]

the locational references are only linked to the new canon galactic atlas

kinda surprised that they're including all of these

even this dingus

[bitter cedar]

If Ruhnuk is included I wonder if the lore about the geostorm and abandoned mining crew will tie back to something else in future canon or later on in the game

[west sequoia]

i think it's intended more as a reference file than any indication of intent because it does seem to be basically everything, not just new canon, 61 pages of alphabetized system + sector + grid coordinate references

[mild jetty]

Ossus was also mentioned verbally but not in any detail. They love namedropping to "canonize" certain people or places buut then leaving it at that. Same thing happened with Revan as well.

[elfin anchor]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Sith_battlecruiser

An ancient Sith battlecruiser laid adrift in a gravitational pocket of the satellite galaxy Rishi Maze.

[west sequoia]

the big silencer

[bitter cedar]

Ever since we got rishi in game I’ve been hoping for an xpac that adventures into the rishi galaxy it sounds like the perfect place for new lore

[west sequoia]

i'll be 0% mad if they say that's where Jadus has been hiding out this entire time

[elfin anchor]

Trust!

This is the closest thing to a visual depiction of that battlecruiser (or what remains of it) that we'll get

[bitter cedar]

that would be lit

[west sequoia]

im pretty sure there's also some bit of dialogue that implied moff pyron hid out there during the zakuul invasion

[bitter cedar]

I rlly just want the sith inquisitor rishi quest to be continued

It sounds like pyron got some headway but not much

[elfin anchor]

i thought the dialogue just said he hid in the outer rim under acina's orders? or am i misremembering lol

would be quite interesting if he actually fucked off to the rishi maze

[native plaza]

He was working under her orders never said Pyron hid

[west sequoia]

yeah after looking up the dialogue, maybe the rishi maze stuff was just speculation, and i doubt we'll get further explanation since its been quite a while

[bitter cedar]

Well it would be interesting if we learned the nature of the secret operation that required the silencers

[elfin anchor]

hmm, by the way, does he or any other character reference the inquisitor and his whereabouts when the Outlander is not an Inquisitor?

[west sequoia]

NAH

they've been persistently noncommittal about the fates of the other 7 PCs since 4.0

[dawn shore]

so i know that the tan zabrak are portrayed as generally being from iridonia and the red/yellow zabrak are portrayed as generally being from dathomir, but does there exist any overlap between the two? Like are there colonies/communities that were mixed between the two types of zabrak and not just homogenously one or the other?

[elfin anchor]

god i hate being reminded of that TCW retcon lol

[dawn shore]

yeah not a fan of how tcw also established that there are only male dathomirian zabrak too

[dawn shore]

but within a legends context, how would this work

[elfin anchor]

here is a fun fact, well before the dumb retcon caused by the clone wars 3d show, maul was from iridonia i believe.

I cant at the moment recall any red or yellow zabraks aside from maul and savage however i do remmeber finding it interesting that Elom was originally said to have been a zabrak colony and honestly that checks out when you look at how some of its inhabitants actually look like:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Elomin/Legends

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b7/Elomin-AA.png/revision/latest?cb=20230123045021

The Elomin were thought by some xenoarchaeologists to be descended from a lost colony of Zabrak who settled Elom in the distant past.[3]

[dawn shore]

i mean the red/yellow zabrak had to come from somewhere, so them just being another skin color variant of iridonian zabrak makes sense

[elfin anchor]

i honestly just ignore most things from TCW, differently colored zabrak, if one chooses to ignore TCW, could just be no different than how there are people of different skin colors. Maybe some other variantions could have been developed from living in other colonies

[narrow mulch]

@elfin anchor has become a Rising Star of the Sith Empire for reaching rank 5.

[elfin anchor]

cause we dont really know much about their colonies actually

other than the fact they existed and some were seized by the sith (probably referring to elom)

[dawn shore]

tbh i don't necessarily mind the nightsister stuff, but making them technically the only females of dathomir just seemed weird to me

[elfin anchor]

and ignoring the fact that they arent even the only dathomir witch clan around ye

honestly dathomir lore, even without TCW being taken into account, is kind of all over the place lol

[elfin anchor]

but to get back to this, the only example i can think of is again probably Elom if you assume that Elomin are indeed descendants from Zabraks.

[bitter cedar]

there are some npcs that are republica zabrak tan colored but with the imperial zabrak tattoos

[dawn shore]

I Wish you could do that for tan zabraks tbh, have a shared tattoo pool

[bitter cedar]

itd be a cool legacy feature for them to add like how legacy class unlocks unlocks more tattoos or cybernetics

[twin zinc]

Say

Who do you think is more powerful at the end of their origin story

Sith Warrior or Sith Inquisitor?

[unborn brook]

Dark Side Inquisitor... Yummy Ghost power goes burr...

[mild jetty]

It's hard to say. Inquisitor gets a bunch of powerups during their story, but they also start lower than the others. The inquisitor story is walking into traps and being saved and stumbling upward. It's honestly probably pretty even.
Same with the jedi. I think they wrote it all to end up pretty even. Same with the tech classes too.
I might argue that, much like batman, if they had prep time, Agent would come out ahead though.

[vapid edge]

Urrr.. feels like google really isnt helping me about chronological order of act 3 class story ending.

[twin zinc]

What do you mean?

[bitter cedar]

like the different class endings and how they line up with each other? there might be a decent forum or reddit post about it

[vapid edge]

the one that I've been referring to only have>> Offworld Actions - Hunter, Knight, Consular, Inquisitor

and I've trawled reddit and got more confused with people arguing and such.

[bitter cedar]

idk if any of the devs responded with a proper order but i know there are some cues to inform the timeline

like the trooper siezes the bastion and then the agent gets informed that the bastion was seized

iirc

they are pretty much overlapping tho

[vapid edge]

omg... lol

[subtle salmon]

Crazy thing think he even says that when you don’t even flirt with him at all

[vapid edge]

I forgot already that he was Imperial Agent. I had a fling with him in my first Smuggler story and I think he gave a lovely performance

something about wanting to see his true face

oh eh... Trooper and Smuggler for sure quick about putting Saresh as the chancellor

back to BH

[subtle salmon]

Happens on every pub class, she appears as the chancellor

[vapid edge]

OMG this is the funniest

[subtle salmon]

Yea it is

[vapid edge]

done one

[subtle salmon]

Nice

[vapid edge]

another done

[subtle salmon]

Finishing up Corellia on every class

[vapid edge]

wow... I collect a lot of boys

ah... used to be level 50 instance. Sigh

[subtle salmon]

Like to think by that point the SW gotten very strong and just curb stomps Baras

[vapid edge]

this is why we do SW first

[subtle salmon]

It’s funny to think by the time the SW leaves, the SI is there already and waiting

[vapid edge]

done

this is actually nice

lol my gal is waiting her turn

[subtle salmon]

lol yep

SW and SI high five each other as they pass by each other

[vapid edge]

She let her ghosties free :x bye bye

so... BH>Agent>SW>SI seemed to be fine

hmmm... now to decide the sequence for Republic side

Gonna do Trooper>Smuggler>Consular>Knight

Very quick

aha I need to update Gus fashion

[bitter cedar]

I really wish they would alter final boss instances to be higher level instead of planet level

[vapid edge]

More Saresh.. lol

[subtle salmon]

She’s at the end in every class

For pub side

[vapid edge]

not in JK story

and finally got Legendary swag in Shae Viszla server

at least JK's final instance is proper level 50

[subtle salmon]

Yea, that one in a way both are close to equal footing

And I headcanon Vitiate just ate all the spirits inside the temple by that point

[west sequoia]

yeah because its a self-contained version of kaas

[west sequoia]

they could probably make specific adjustments to those final versions of Baras/Thanaton without needing to look at trying to implement a single-phased differed scaling

give them more hp so that the fight isnt over in 3 gcds

[vapid edge]

urrr.. that flirt line is out of nowhere

did they update her OG looks though

[west sequoia]

the graphical update were to all those composite textures so yeah

[bitter cedar]

Really hope we can see Acina or vowraen do some badass stuff when the time comes

[elfin anchor]

it is yeah lol

[elfin anchor]

same

the place where you fight vitiate is kallig's tomb is it not

[subtle salmon]

Yes

[elfin anchor]

looking bleak for kallig

[subtle salmon]

Yep

[dawn shore]

how long ago did the war between republic and sith end at the time of game start?

[subtle salmon]

Think was some years

[narrow mulch]

@subtle salmon has become a Hero of the Neutral faction for reaching rank 10.

[dawn shore]

well i assumed as much

but like, does anyone know how many years?

[subtle salmon]

Checking seems like 10 years

[native plaza]

yup 10 years Sacking of Coursant was 3653

[dawn shore]

and the cold war has been going on ever since?

[native plaza]

game apparently beings in 3.643

[subtle salmon]

Yep

[native plaza]

and then just like with dr who later the game gets a lil timey whimey lol

[west sequoia]

their last statement on the game's internal timeline was like 6 years ago, ambiguously stating there was going to be some compression around the slower pace of content

in lieu of clarification, the prior statement of "everything happens in line with its real world release" is still assumed to be valid

[native plaza]

yup and it makes sense really to compress it even more so when hey we haven't been able to put out story due to a strike... but then we also lose 5 years instantly at one point so maybe they will drop some other instant fix like that at some point

[west sequoia]

well the initial reasoning was "hey we cant deliver the same pace because we've been adjusting to work from home because of covid" but again that was 6 years ago

[native plaza]

weren't the KOTFE/ET chapters like once a month or something maybe i'm mistaken I wasn't playing then

that feels very fast for real timeline of what is going on to me

[west sequoia]

i think some might have drifted closer to 5 weeks but yeah that was a lot of work done up-front

5.x content slowed a bit because they were building it as they went

all of the 4.x chapter names were uncovered via datamining very early and there were a few that changed

[native plaza]

it's a quick pace more so given the way it's arranged, thoes chapters have different difficulties where most do not too and can be replayed

[west sequoia]

yeah im fairly convinced that they designed the mission structure from the beginning to be replayable but it wasnt a day 1 feature because they were planning on holding it off until all of the chapters were released

which ended up being 5.0 because they had to adjust their future plans around the massive subscriber decline that 4.0 caused

[native plaza]

i'm a little sad they adjusted I get it, and I know not everyone enjoys that but for me I wonder what they tossed out with the bathwater on that

[dawn shore]

also wait, whats the star wars equivalent to an autograph? Ik in kotor they called it something but i cant remember what it was

[jovial ether]

Been meaning to ask this, but I have analysed and looked into the SWTOR: Sacrifice trailer cinematic, and I noticed that the desing, shape, and all of the Eternal Throne room of Valkorion's looks pretty different in the cinematic than in the game. Even the Eternal Throne itself looks different. Here are images attached from the cinematic compared to the actual game. Any in-universe or more precisely, out-universe meta reason why?

[unborn brook]

The OOU reason’s likely that the trailer’s using an earlier model/working off early art...

[jovial ether]

My thoughts too. How far into production/development was the actual game and all when this trailer was released? How long did it take to make the trailer?

[west sequoia]

the trailer was done by Blur, they use their own models

[native plaza]

My suspicion would also be that it's not an in engine cinematic which even if they were the same asset would potentially have had an effect on how it looked even if the base was the same but I'd lean toward different model/ possibly one more complex than the game asset that would need to be more optimized for gameplay than one that was used for HD effect/visuals

[jovial ether]

Sooo...which look is the more canonical lore look? The game look or the cinematic?

[elfin anchor]

game

[jovial ether]

Because it is the "latest look" and the actual story I presume?

[elfin anchor]

because its the look most prevalent through the story

[jovial ether]

Fair

[elfin anchor]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/80/Oricon-Flyby.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20150921202947

so since Oricon is a moon

what do we know of the actual planet it orbits

[native plaza]

as far as I know it orbits an "unknown green planet" pretty sure no one has named the planet

[jovial ether]

I have been debating with myself on who this mysterious minifig is based off of, if anyone.

[west sequoia]

considering they did fairly accurate satele, jace, malcom and t7 minifigures, i think the others are just generic

[jovial ether]

Probably, though we never see a armor like this in the game though, nor the cinematics.

[west sequoia]

its one of the warrior battlemaster sets

or actually was that one battlemaster or something different

[jovial ether]

Dumb question, but is there a red hood or something like that in the game? I am kind of a noob at armor sets in the game. Same for the mask

[bright phoenix]

zero reasons in-universe. It's a little bit bigger too I'm pretty sure. A while back I actually tried to match the perspective of the cinematics in blender and changed the setup of the support beams around the sphere to figure out what kind of design it might be. I tried resizing the whole thing and haphazardly stretching and squeezing different elements just to see if I could figure out at least a rough mockup 😆

[bright phoenix]

feel like it could be a mix of both. Perhaps the scale of the CGI trailer but with the more decorative shell-like throne base from the game version

[jovial ether]

Oh.....wow, didn't think I would get this response, lol, but a welcome one for sure.

[jovial ether]

Good idea. Any out-universe/real-world reasons why there is a slight design difference here?

[bright phoenix]

the blur version has a more austere vibe which I think is kind of cooler

I don't like the blur throne that much

but I prefer the mood and lighting

and the single set of stairs

leading to the throne

instead of the double you see in-game

Blur version is cleaner but feels a bit WIP, final version is a bit tacky in places but better overall. And I think the game version has one huge advantage over the blur version, it actually has water going around the throne which is huge and really completes the look

[bright phoenix]

probably just didn't have a finalized design

[jovial ether]

Perhaps.

[twin zinc]

Probably better to ask in #fashion

[bright phoenix]

I remember watching a panel for another thing where Blur was doing a destiny cinematic and they had to work off a WIP game version for a thing, so these things could totally happen

[west sequoia]

yeah Blur were definitely running off concept art to have the cinematic for KotFE finished that far ahead of release

[jovial ether]

I am having a hard time trying to visualize in my head on which version of the throne and the throne room is the more "accurate" version. On one hand, the cinematic is closer to live-action, on the other hand, the design and appearance of the throne and throne room in the game is in the actual game. So I wonder if the game should be taken with more credit or the cinematic.

[west sequoia]

and yeah i sorta kneejerked on battlemaster for this because i didnt have a proper look at the torso and mask detailing, i think it's actually closer to what Tormen wears, there might exist some NPC version of that chestpiece with the shoulderpads scrubbed but the hood still attached or this could simply be budgeting on not wanting to make another one-off mold (which is the very expensive part of LEGO production)

[jovial ether]

Wait....the mask of the LEGO Sith Warrior looks like Kallig's mask....

Is this Canon Darth Nox?!

[jovial ether]

Exactly.

[jovial ether]

Is it just me, or does the blur throne look smaller than game throne?

[west sequoia]

the game throne is the throne and the dais backing in a single object

the blur one is separate

[jovial ether]

Aaaahhhhhh

That is what looked different.

[west sequoia]

that helmet also isnt unique, theres a bunch of warrior sets that use it

[jovial ether]

Kallig has pretty un-original taste I guess

[jovial ether]

Hey Ceremist, do you still have your Blender model for the Blur-inspired Eternal Throne room or is it gonzo?

[bright phoenix]

I have the project file but it's such a disaster I'm not going to share it 🤣

you can rip it yourself it's really easy

and see if you can come up with the perfect throne room that combines all the best elements

[bright phoenix]

check the swtor slicers discord for the tools

[jovial ether]

Okay.

[jovial ether]

What is your ideal perfect throne room for the Eternal Throne room in your mind?

[bright phoenix]

like I said earlier: the larger scale and the more serious austere vibe of the Blur throne room with all the volumetrics, the cold lighting etc

BUT

add the water from the game version and the concept art

and add the decorative throne base

but keep the single set of stairs

[jovial ether]

Wait, the water isn't in the Blur throne room?

[bright phoenix]

honestly I feel like they would have showed it off if it was present

maybe it's there? I can't remember

I don't remember seeing it

so probably missing

[jovial ether]

Fair. I wish we can get a look at the Blur throne room or a full BTS for how they made these cinematics.

[bright phoenix]

nope no water

[jovial ether]

Paused at the right time, haha, nice

[vapid edge]

I think these 1 minute = $1M trailer have its own developmental time

but SWTOR was supposed to run on potato pc so its understandably why some design change was different

I mean, we could've more detailed facescan of Vaylin.. sigh

[twin zinc]

Interlude spoilers || You know I gotta say I kinda fuck with Malgus ||

|| Dude wasn't wrong ||

[twin zinc]

Sith Inquisitor after act 3 || Can the SI still consume ghosts after all the cleansing and cell restructering without immediatly getting the same effects as before? Or would he end up needing to do the mind cleansing ritual on Voss again and the cell modification with the MotherMachine? ||

[twin zinc]

Also after going back to some stuff said in the story

|| Is the Sith Inquisitor practically immortal? Zash states that the presence of the Sith ghosts within you is what kept you aliveor better said reviced after Thanaton practically killed you. Does that mean the Sith Inquisitor can't die without someone first expelling the spirits out of you? ||

[west sequoia]

no because the game doesnt give you the option after the class story ends

[elfin anchor]

yes, technically an outlander SI can get Vaylin and Arcann's spirits (but its done through Valk) iirc

[elfin anchor]

I assume its a sort of spiritual immortality not a physical one like, for example, Sion's. Like if the inquisitor receives the same wounds Sion received he most certainly would die

but I imagine certain force techniques/rituals wouldnt work on the SI because of the bond with the spirits

[elfin anchor]

hey guys quick question

Master Kutri O'a:
In another time, I see a Sith find your holocron. He loathes you. Your soldier died to defeat his great-grandsire.
104 -
Master Kutri O'a:
He seeks to learn what made you strong; walk your path on the now-ruined world of Tython. Will you guide him?
Player:
If he walks my path, sees what I've seen and learns what I've learned, then the galaxy will have nothing to fear from him.
(Yes. There is wisdom in truth.)
168 -
Master Kutri O'a:
He does see what you saw, but he resists it--he kills--before the lesson takes. In the end, though, he redeems his home.

what does he mean by your soldier

Iresso?

or the half trained jedi that Kutri mentions earlier

[dawn shore]

Are zabrak able to change their tattoos?

[native plaza]

Consular bonus quest on Rishi if memory serves, yes I suspect he means Felix given soldier but it could be Zenith in a way too or even Qyzen depending on how you look at it they are all that in a way but most likely Felix Iresso is the intended one

[jovial ether]

So my friends, I have a question regarding Terrak Morrhage in the Jedi Counselor story.

So, I bet you all know who Terrak Morrhage is. He was an ancient Sith Lord whose spirit corrupted Parkanas Tark to become Lord Vivicar, create the Dark Plague, etc.. He is the main bad guy of the first act of the JC story. However, there is this very interesting thing I have always wondered about Morrhage. When you finally confront him in a final showdown at the end of Act I, he is really confident when facing you and says this ominous line right before attacking you: "I am beyond flesh, beyond death".

When you finally defeat him, he still seems pretty chill and evil, and says that he had already won. He kind of encourages you the player to make the choice to strike Vivicar down. He even says "You cannot let me live, and I am deathless. Your shielding talent cannot harm me. You've lost!"

If you choose the light side option to free Vivicar/Parkanas from Morrhage's spirit and not strike him down, Terrak seems really pissed if you choose the light side option.

So I don't know what the deal here is.

Is he trying to give a big middle-finger and last laugh to the Jedi if he gets struck down by the Jedi Consular or what? Also, is he actually deathless like he is claiming? Because in the SWTOR Encyclopedia it says that if the player chooses to cut Vivicar down, it would kill every plague stricken Jedi but also "end the plague and its evil forever".

[jovial ether]

Oh, and I also forgot to mention that if you spare Parakans Tark/Vivicar, he is suprised and tells you that it was your duty to kill him and destroy Morrhage's spirit.

[dawn shore]

this is gonna be a really dumb question, but how strict are old republic mandalorians when it came to dress code?

[subtle salmon]

I don’t think they are that strict

[dawn shore]

like do they want every member to have that same style of helmet with the T visor?

[elfin anchor]

well thats something i've been wondering too

[native plaza]

I have always read him as frankly overconfident and talking as expected in ways to intimidate, manipulate, and scare the Consular. that 'deathless' claim well we've also heard taht from another character who by all accounts beleived it but is now "gone for good" I don't think Morrhage rose to that kind of level of power much as he wanted to so no I don't think he was doing anything but what would be expected and trying to unsettle his opponent.

[native plaza]

I have no solid info here past a guess that much like the tv show has shown us there was a spectrum of that with some clans/sects being very strict about certain things and others no so much so. Which makes me suspect it would be something determined on a clan by clan basis. Certainly there is some evidence to suggest they didn't all dress the same even in the game .

[elfin anchor]

honestly I wish they claimed terrak was still alive

well

"alive" as in his spirit is still out there

kind of like how freedon nadd's spirit wasnt destroyed when ommin and amanoa bit the dust despite both essentially being empowered by nadd

[subtle salmon]

Wasn’t there like a few Sith spirits in kotor still around we met?

[elfin anchor]

in kotor 1 only one sith i thin

think

ajunta

[subtle salmon]

Forgotten details about him

[elfin anchor]

hes awesome he is the founder of the sith order

and its very interesting how the founder of the Order ended up regretting everything

[subtle salmon]

Makes me wonder if he founded it a certain way but other Sith ended up just twisting it all and turning it into the Sith order that we know of

[west sequoia]

they were the tail end of a sect of darksiders that had waged war for 100 years

the sith code that we're familiar with is just a formalization of how the sith as a species had operated, pretty sure the bit with ajunta in kotor is meant to be him having developed regret in the millennia since his death

[twin zinc]

They are tattoos.... so no not normally but in the Star Wars Universe I think there is tech that can remove tattoos considering Obi Wan got tattoo's himself in one of the clone wars episodes when he went undercover. And if you see the existence of the appearance chamge kiosks as more then a game mechanic then those would also mean that tattoo's can be removed and new ones can be done with no problem.

[dawn shore]

whats the difference between being force sensitive and "having your mind opened to the force"?

[cerulean mauve]

Ok new question would Sparda from devil may cry be a better emperor of the sith?

[mild jetty]

Being force sensitive is an ascribed status from birth. Opening your mind to the force is education, learning what it is and how to use it. Plenty of people who are mildly force sensitive are never told to try moving a rock with their mind, so they don't. But the opposite is not true, no matter how much you learn about the force in a clinical setting, you're never going to use it unless you're already force sensitive or you become force sensitive through circumstance. Theron Shan is a hardworking, intelligent and dedicated man who tried for years to use the force, being taught by high level masters all of the requisite theory and practices, and he couldn't do it, because he was simply not force sensitive.

If you're asking because of Sabine Wren...that was just Filoni being Filoni. Don't worry about it.

[twin zinc]

Ugh don't remind me of that

I swear Filoni tainted his reputation so much with the Ahsoka series

[subtle salmon]

Honestly I feel he’s making the mistake many did in legends where one person shows even a bit of force sensitivity, next book or series they are a Jedi suddenly

Prefer she doesn’t become one

[mild jetty]

There were times where a person didn't know they were force sensitive and they suddenly used the force either because they were told about it, or they were in great distress and just tried anything and were surprised it worked. But they key difference in most of these cases was that the person was force sensitive and didn't know it, not that they were taught to use the force and it worked because they were just so special. Filoni could have said that Sabine was mildly force sensitive and didn't know it, but that has the issue of her being around jedi constantly for decades and no one ever said "Hey I sense the force in you haha". So it just introduces a different plot hole to cover the current one.

The whole thing also spits in Theron's face. If a person can actually just learn enough about the force to start using it, then Theron is actually just a failure, since jedi masters tried to teach him for years and he couldn't do it. Before, that made sense of course and it wasn't his fault, because people who are not force sensitive can't use the force, no matter how smart or dedicated or trained they are. But now, Filoni says that no, Theron just failed because what he tried is possible. We can chalk this one up to the two settings essentially being different universes at this point, following different "canons" for lack of a better word, so they follow the rules of their respective settings. There are two different Star Wars now. This has already been a thing with a few minor things like how lightsabers work and the timeline of a few events and what happened after Endor in general, but now that how the force works, one of the most fundamental things about the entire setting, has been fundamentally changed, it's much more pronounced.

That all being said, I don't actually hate the change.

A good analogy could be DnD, where wizards have to train hard and scour books for the ability to use magic, while Sorcerors are just born with it. I kind of like there being two ways, to be honest. I don't like Disney making changes in general, but this one I feel like is ok. Accessing the force through hard work and education, and a certain mindset, is ok. Someone who doesn't believe and just dismisses it could still never use it, but someone who is humble and wants to learn and puts in the effort and has a teacher could eventually use it. I don't totally hate what they were going for here.

[void pelican]

a jedi can come from anywhere

[subtle salmon]

Another topic, would a male smuggler that romanced and married Akaavi be counted as a Mandalorian since they technically do marry one

[void pelican]

marriage doesn't per se get you in

[subtle salmon]

Okay

[bitter cedar]

itd make for a fun date night idea for akaavi tho

[subtle salmon]

Yea

[dawn shore]

Why did the chiss ally with the sith?

[unborn brook]

Because the Chiss wanted to, and they even stole from the Emperor to ensure the deal was "fairer"...

[native plaza]

I love my Chiss but they are just as xenophobic, culturally believing in their own superiority and distrusting outsiders ... very much the way the Sith Empire feels about anyone who is not Pureblood or Human (and they do not make exceptions for the Chiss you are still considered an alien lol but based on all I do know of the Chiss they still do not trust the empire, rare individuals yes are an exception)... as for why the Empire, they were seeking a strong military as an ally against threats in the unknown regions

[bitter cedar]

I wouldn't mind the chiss getting more of a focus in the next expansion, like featuring more of Copero or maybe showing off Csilla. Either them or the Gree I would love to see

[native plaza]

just no more house Inrokini please lol but yeah I may not love the xenophobia and such but I'd love seeing them more than just passing bits

[bitter cedar]

I think it'd be cool to see the homeworld of each playable species in game. Like Csilla for the chiss; Mirial, Cathar, Ryloth, etc. Out of all those I feel like Ryloth is most likely because Rikkan and Sahar

[native plaza]

oh that would be fun to explore, some would be thriving others not so much so if i'm not wrong Cathar would be ruins at this point

[west sequoia]

i vaguely recall reading something about csilla being completely off-limits to outsiders on account of the chiss' high degree of xenophobia and isolationism

[native plaza]

Yes it would be, they had to do some hoop jumping to make it reasonable to get us there for the flashpoint... BUT I do love that my Chiss can have a home on Copero to go home to 🙂

[bitter cedar]

Would be kind of neat if they made species-limits to Csilla, and maybe all other species would have to smuggle themselves in and can only access a wilderness section of it or something.

[west sequoia]

i think they're probably going to stick to planet revisits like they've mostly been doing for 7.x

[native plaza]

yeah honestly I'd expect them to do that more than not for the foreseeable future because there is purpose past just story for it ... given they are doing the texture and graphic updates per planet when they do

[unborn brook]

No House Inrokin? But... But... House Inrokin is glorious... lol

[native plaza]

ok they can come along for the fun ONLY if they are silent LOL

[unborn brook]

FOR HOUSE INROKINI!!! Mwahahah!!! lol

[bitter cedar]

Given how they recently updated cold environment textures I could see a super small zone for csilla being available. Come to think of it I think that’d be a cool concept in general, new planets smaller than ziost that use existing assets.

Like I’ve been saying for a while, it’d be great to have open world zones on flashpoint planets like Rakata prime or Umbara. Could just make tiny open zones for them to add some more destinations to the galaxy map.

[west sequoia]

most players dont want tiny zones which is why 7.0 manaan was a big deal

[bitter cedar]

having an expansion with a focus on manaan yet no swimming was my main dissapoinment. im glad they tried to do something different by giving it the stormy weather and oil rig type of setting, with the underwater dome too.

[west sequoia]

i dont think swimming mechanics are ever going to happen in swtor

[bitter cedar]

yeah, tho i do wonder about more flying like the jetpack instance in one of the recent updates

[twin zinc]

Time to go to Dathomir

https://tenor.com/view/savage-opress-darth-maul-situ-sith-star-wars-savage-opress-gif-2332713458392858447

[cerulean mauve]

It would be lore accurate to have a Tuk'ata as a companion as a sith pureblood

Also it helps level you faster for some reason

[subtle salmon]

Wait really?

[cerulean mauve]

Ya I got it before krum and I am leveling like mad now

Apparently the game rewards you for being lore accurate

Speaking of lore oddly The Grinch is lore accurate if you think about it

[bitter cedar]

I’d even settle for iridonia and maybe get some sort of explanation for sith zabraks from them if they wont bother with dathomir stuff. They have hinted at dathomir tho so I’d love to see it paired with a bundle of new zabrak customizations

[graceful lynx]

Does anyone remember the dialogue options for Knight that I need to pick on Corellia in order to ||keep Var Suthra alive? I've done it once, but that was years and years ago and I don't remember the trigger, and my last few attempts have resulted in failure.||

[prisma portal]

@rapid summit idk why you deleted your message now but I guess it saves me from using copious amounts of spoiler tags 😂

Anyways, I would definitely say that Koth has his priorities straight and is a man of principle. He will always put the Zakuulan population first and try to help them in any way he can. He is not a fan of the current leadership of the planet whatsoever, though.

He will always stick with his principles and do what he thinks is right over what he is told to do, though. Gonna spoiler-tag this next part even in this channel since it will have story details: || If you act against the Zakuulan people by doing stuff that could be considered terrorism in your campaign against Arcann / Vaylin, he can and likely WILL eventually quit because of you not giving a shit about civilian lives ||

[narrow mulch]

@prisma portal has become a Rising Star of the Gree Enclave for reaching rank 5.

[prisma portal]

you just need to stick with light side options

[rapid summit]

Just saw the wiki hence i deleted it, I respect him now ||I too am a "no civillians means no civillians" type||

like I just wish he gets fleshed out post-||valkorion||

[prisma portal]

well it makes sense with the limited dev resources that they would mainly focus on companions that are guaranteed to still be with you while adding new companions along the way

there are too many "what if's" in KotFE / KotET where myou can lose companions one way or another

so peoples' rosters will look drastically different post KotET

[rapid summit]

yeah makes sense hence I feel that zakul saga feels like "important arc" in swtor

I just hope I can play this right tbh

[prisma portal]

there is no "right" or "wrong" as long as you personally are happy with your decisions

it's an RPG, do what your character would do c:

[rapid summit]

yeah it's just jedis are something I am comfortable knowing what to do, just confused bout the sith side of things, because I never tried being the villain , nor have I ever liked villains nor ever wrote villains in the stuff I made (books, games, etc)

[prisma portal]

well the details are what you have to make up your mind on

but the basis of what makes a sith is very simple, really.

Stop thinking about the greater good and start looking at dialogue options with the mindset of "what's best for ME"

not every Sith has to necessarily be cruel

but they are egoistic, self-serving and driven by their current emotional state

it is actually not super far-fetched to have a Sith that is quite light-leaning because they enjoy helping people for the simple fact that helping people feels rewarding/good for them

with maybe a caveat that they would not pick a light side option that actively has a negative effect on themselves in the process

like they wouldnt sacrifice themselves for others but if it doesnt cost them anything/much they would help?

Üerhaps that's an angle that would be more comfortable for you

as a first Sith playthrough

the story provides decent setup for it, too, especially on Inquisitor where you start as a slave

[rapid summit]

yeah I mean with inquisitor I was planning a dark side run, basically going ham with villainy and lightning and I was gauging the extent of how much light side should my warrior have because I feel like he might be like an anti-villain (like golbez or something Idk any good examples)

[prisma portal]

well if you alway press dark side you are gonna come out ihn the "cartoonishly evil for no reason" tier

[native plaza]

honestly i'd say do one light one dark

[rapid summit]

yeah I mean that's my plan for inquisitor. It's cliche'd but I do wanna see how campy can we go lol.

[native plaza]

because if you only go all nice with him you miss some kind of cool things that happen only if he's decided to walk out in a huff

[prisma portal]

I think a good practice for any run, but ESPECIALLY one on a side you arent familiar with, would be to turn off dark/light indicators for the dialogue wheel in your settings

[native plaza]

I knid of like Tora (sp) more than him lol

[prisma portal]

and also disable the conversation reactions thing in the Interface Editor / Conversation UI

and vibing your way through convos rather than being influenced by what alignment the options give or how your comapnions react to them

[rapid summit]

ngl I just overthink when it comes to choice based gameplay 😭

[prisma portal]

that is why I always give my characters 1-3 paragraphs of backstory and 5-10 bullet points with specific personality traits before starting

and then I base my decisions off those factors

[rapid summit]

gotcha that makes sense then.

I mean I wish I had that level of planning tho 😭

[prisma portal]

of course 5-10 points and a small backstory will not cover every scenario

[native plaza]

that ok i write so mine get longer but yeah backstory can help a ton with going with a character not being wishy washy

[prisma portal]

but in real life you are also likely to be confronted with situations where your previous experiences are of no help

well yea Rox of course i also have some characters with a significant amount of lore especially after all these years but I'm just talking about what's basically a charater sheet :p

[west sequoia]

nah koth's a massive fucking hypocrite after the quantum bomb shit

[native plaza]

lol yeah

[rapid summit]

Irl I just end up crying and breaking down and running away. A far cry from what I rp 😭

or seek help

[prisma portal]

ah yesm the good ol' mental breakdown over something entirely insignificant. Way too relatable

[native plaza]

ok for real I hate crying but do it more than I'd like to admit because i apparently have a brain that says cry when highly frustrated (strangeness) lol but really nothing wrong with crying if that's how you deal took me a long time to get to that point

[rapid summit]

but yeah I just feel like sith warrior is gonna be a challenge for me to do so because grey characters in general are complex. Nuance and all.

But I think I will go with the vibe as per what nim said, or I might plan out a backstory.

Basically only framing thing i have is that he will soon become the Rival of JK where they both have an intense extremely difficult duel that leads to his demise

Like he is a loyal warrior of the empire and believes in peace through order and that the "chains does set him free" and true freedom is through order and pressure or something

Like he will not kill civillians, he will not execute callously, but he will kill his opponents but respect them.

is this a good way to start @prisma portal @native plaza ? (sorry for ping)

[prisma portal]

sure

[native plaza]

so you mean your story is going to be that your other character kills him off because you don't plan to continue that one makes sense to me

[prisma portal]

Warrior does come with some amazing light side options if you play honorably

[native plaza]

also I teach RP classes the first thing I always tell people is... "The story of your character is yours, unless there is a rule where you RP that makes something not possible it's your choice always no one can tell you it's wrong if they do ignore them"

[rapid summit]

good to know about that

[native plaza]

write or headcannon it how you will enjoy it really!

[rapid summit]

oh I mean like during a situation when this game is about to end service like a final jedi-sith duel

[prisma portal]

I think rule 2 for me would be "don't self-insert more than once. Do what your character would do in a situation, not what you would do in a situation"

[native plaza]

yes

[prisma portal]

but that might be personal preference territory already :p

I know some people enjoy self-inserting into every single one oft he 8 stories but I personally cant see how that wouldnt be exhausting

[rapid summit]

yeah it does and it has affected me a lot,

[native plaza]

actually several of my swtor backstories end up as examples including cases where I chose something I should not have because I lost character and chose my way lol (chocie at end of Nathema I just can't make that kill choice i hit escape and redid it lmao darn it

I try to not play as "me" but more because I really enjoy developing new characters

easier to keep perspective and have it effect you less if you keep arms length and play as a character if you can make the seperation I know some have troubel with that too

[rapid summit]

yeah hence sith inquisitor in a way seems easy

because of a clear intent

[prisma portal]

that decision you speak of is indeed a tough one. Almost as tough to choose kill as it is to NOT choose kill for || Saresh ||

even my main offed || Saresh || and he has over a million LS points

[native plaza]

LOL i always take that first dark side hit with her but not always the second but lol there are a few though I've been a huge fan of Torian's VA for ages that KOTFE choice hurts every time even if I am holding at arms length and choosing how my character would lol

so yeah arms length has limits for me sometimes LOL in odd places

[prisma portal]

I wish you could fast-replay KotFE / KotET as a visual novel only seeing cutscenes and dialogues 😂

then I could actually do it and make proper decisions for every character

[native plaza]

lol

[prisma portal]

right now I cant replay it more than twice a year

[rapid summit]

thank you very much tbh, I am grateful for this discourse so

I will do DS inquisitor and LS warrior then, alongside my (for now) main, LS Knight
and in case, LS sage

[native plaza]

some kill choices are ok yeah good riddence others hurt lol i'm hoping my newest full dark (she's a terrible person) warrior can manage that other one i've sent him away once but not killed him there LOL

[prisma portal]

yea....

I did it once but OUCH

that one even pulls me ooc

[rapid summit]

thanks a lot once again

I finally got an Idea what to do

[prisma portal]

enjoy

and don't hesitate to @ me (and/or probably Rox, doubt she'd mind) if you have any followup questions

[rapid summit]

yeah just asking there is no ds/ls choice whether to remain in alliance or join the new sith gang once malgus comes back again ?

like 7.0 (third galactic war)

[prisma portal]

errr

we do eventually go back to empire vs republic in a sense

and you will have to choose a side

not gonna go into detail but you CAN switch sides

[native plaza]

nope I'm often back and forth so miss things or slow reply sometimes but happy to help out

[rapid summit]

yeah hence I asked as I plan to have my SW join the sith again, is it possible to still be LS sith despite that ?

[native plaza]

yes

being light or dark has zero to do with choices you can make for sides to choose in this game unlike mass effect where if you dont' have enough paragon (light) or renagade (dark) points you can't even choose some options

[prisma portal]

yup what Rox said

[rapid summit]

gotcha thanks a lot, I am grateful for this insight

[prisma portal]

in fact, the new Empire after KotET is pretty clearly more accepting of LS Sith than the old one

[rapid summit]

ah gotcha, interesting to see what causes it to end up becoming the birthplace of darth bane after 2k years

[west sequoia]

its not an alignment choice if thats what you're asking

[dawn shore]

so we know that cybernetic technology can more or less replace limbs in replicating function and feeling, but are there any cases of like, people being able to get an organic arm after losing it, or being able to replace internal organs after having it replaced with cybernetics?

[elfin anchor]

yes, i cna think of two cases but one of those is a bit weird and probably not canon within the expanded universe anyway

1. in the darth bane trilogy when bane was a miner, he got into a fight with some other miner. Bane bit that guy's finger off. But the company that ran the entire mining operation managed to just reattach that guy's finger
2. Boba Fett, originally in, i believe?, a story that gave him a way different backstory before the prequel trilogy was actually written, lost some of his limbs after falling into the sarlacc

so he got himself cloned limbs. But then again most stuff regarding anything remotely related to Fett's escape from the sarlacc is genuinely such a mess this might as well not even be canon within the legends continuity.

theres also this guy

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gorm_(cyborg)

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/6b/GormtheDissolver-FF116.png/revision/latest?cb=20231014054620

Arkanian scientists are awesome honestly

[elfin anchor]

do we know what even Nihrot is by the way, im confused over it

Like is the implication Kanoth's body is now just a bunch of nihrot worms or something?

[jovial ether]

The implication is that Kanoth ate his own body through the Force with the power of Nihrot, and is now a spirit animating armor and robes just like darth nihilus did.

[elfin anchor]

ah i see

could nihrot have also been created based on the weird micro organisms that are mentioned to have survived the destruction of malachor 5 in one of the crew skill missions? (I believe i once shared with you a screenshot of the actual crew skill missions btw)

cause as I understand it, Kanoth and that entire cult basically were trying to copy Nihilus going as far as to try to have their own mass shadow generator. Yet Nihilus never had any weird nihrot worms around or anything of the sort as far as we know so i dont quite understand what Nihrot is menat to be and how its supposed to be connected to Nihilus' accident in any way.

[jovial ether]

I think Nihrot is an attempted recreation at what form of illness Nihilus went through.

[elfin anchor]

wdym

how would that work

[jovial ether]

Nihrot is not the same thing that corrupted Nihilus according to my theory. It is more of a pathogen created by the Unmasked to try to replicate the effects of whatever got Nihilus from the mass shadows.

[elfin anchor]

also I assume R4 happens in a location within the R-4 grid square right? Or does it happen in the malachor system

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/image_f6457fd7.jpeg

(the map shows sector divisions based on the borders the galactic empire made, the borders were probably different during SWTOR)

[west sequoia]

yes the op is called the r4 anomaly because its in sector r4

[elfin anchor]

ye but theres just no sector called R4

i assume they just mean a sector in the R-4 grid square

[west sequoia]

yeah, the grid sector

[elfin anchor]

well no one calls it a grid sector

[west sequoia]

its directly called that in the story mission for the op

[elfin anchor]

no im saying no one ever really refers to a grid square in the map as a grid sector, hence why part of the reason why i asked, of course we can easily just infer it refers to the grid square location.

or does this mean the empire divides their territory based on grid squares

ignoring the fact that the galaxy is spinning and thus the overall contents (systems, etc) within the grid square would change from time to time

[west sequoia]

the grid system accounts for that

[vapid edge]

hmm.. I skipped chapters to do KOTFE GS10 and my Sith Inquisitor got a Darth Imperius title. Thought its all Nox

[native plaza]

there are 3 titles based on alignment but skipping/auto completing/boosting defaults (oddly in that case looks like to the light side title LOL

[twin zinc]

So. Getting an organic arm again without it being your own arm that got freezed quickly after getting off seems to be a no.

Getting organs again after they have been replaced by cybernetics should theoretically be possible as long as the cybernetics you got can be taken out again without damaging the structure of your body. So there probably are different kind of cybernetics for that so some would probably get long term organ cybernetics to replace the organ fully and others could get short term ones that are just there until they find a donor or ones that could be replaced by a donors organ without issue.

[dawn shore]

Are all Mandalorians in the empire, or are there groups in the republic?

[mild jetty]

There's a cultural mistrust because they've gone to war with each other multiple times in the past, so republic sympthatetic mandos would be rare. That said, many mandos are mercenaries, so enough money would entice them to do jobs for the republic, even if they didn't like them. And no, not all mandos care about the empire. The mandos who do like the empire mostly like them because they have lots of money to hire them, they pick on the republic so they get to hash out old grudges, and jedi are the best adversaries to test themselves against (alongside sith) so working for the empire gets you the best targets. So there's a few reasons.

[native plaza]

Smuggler story being republic and Mandalorian story being Imperial really is a disservice THey were more middle ground indepenant than that split suggests Mercs doing merc things not loyal citizens of one or the other.

[west sequoia]

the closest the game has to active republic-aligned mandos is shae giving a daily on onderon to republic players to kill the ash'ad there

[dawn shore]

Thanks

You know, does the Jedi’s religion even have a name beyond just “force worship”?

[mild jetty]

Not formally. They adopted many of the tenets from the Je'daii which came before them, and whom they absorbed. There are a ton of non-Jedi force cults spread all over the galaxy, and throughout time. A lot are tribal shamanistic societies, but there are also chronologically advanced cultures that have just never been introduced to the organization known as the Jedi due to being remote or isolationist. TheForce would still speak to them and influence them, but they wouldn't know what a "Jedi" is since that's a formal organization.

[west sequoia]

the Jedi's religion is the Jedi

in the same way that the Sith's religion is the Sith

[twin zinc]

Smuggler is literally so weird

I didn't play it but thematically it's just not fitting

The only reason they got Smuggler on Republic is cause of that Smuggler in the first swtor trailer

(Who never appeared ever again in any trailer and didn't seem to have a big affiliation with the Republic besides that one time he escaped death with them)

[void pelican]

The archetypes for Smuggler and Hunter are Han Solo and Boba Fett

that dictates which faction they caucus with

Han was a moderately-lovable rogue who ended up fighting the empire; so’s the Smuggler.

Boba Fett took contracts from the Empire; so does the Hunter

It’s not that deep otherwise

[winter trellis]

assuming you play into those

you get plenty of opportunity to do otherwise

like the smuggler can become a ruthless crime boss

and the hunter can be basically a psychopath for hire

[void pelican]

… and boba fett isn’t?

[winter trellis]

I more meant the murder hobo type

[void pelican]

again your standard star wars mercenary is basically a jumped up murderhobo

[winter trellis]

Lol I suppose

[elfin anchor]

when we gonna see these guys eh? 💀

[dawn shore]

are all mando groups/clans nomadic, or have some made their base on certain planets

[clever ibex]

IIrc you got Clan Bralor who have a farm on Mandalore

And Canderous' group used Dxun as a base

[twin zinc]

Eh depends I'd guess

[native plaza]

no they are not all nomadic even in SWTOR Shae has a base for her clan on Rishi during S0R that's not a pop up mobile base either

[clever ibex]

And Mandalore the Black Dude had a base on geonosis according to a codex entry

[soft matrix]

come, join the Order of Jadus

[dawn shore]

Do physical photographs exist in this universe

[cerulean mauve]

Jadus solo?

I prefer his sister

[soft matrix]

you mean his daughter?

[soft matrix]

why is the Hidden Chain on Nem'ro's tu- oh... guess someone ordered a hit on Jory and Braden

[elfin anchor]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Stateless_strategy

The stateless strategy relied on decentralization and the sheer vastness of space to allow a smaller belligerent to beat a larger one. A power with a defined homeworld and colonies could be reduced and defeated with numerical superiority. However, a decentralized power without a clearly-defined homeworld or territory would have to be overcome everywhere it existed before it could be defeated

The various Sith Empires throughout history used the stateless strategy in their wars against the Galactic Republic.[1]
Uh what

surely this cannot include the first Sith Empire and Vitiate's

[unborn brook]

Revan and Exar Kun come to mind, though...

Also, the New Sith Wars feel fitting for it...

[elfin anchor]

yeah they do. Unsure about the new sith wars, i guess it'd depend on the time and actual sith lord

the calimondra family and later the brotherhood of Darkness, I feel, dont fit that description either

[cerulean mauve]

To be truthful force Lightning can be used by both sides its just a more difficult general force power to controlIt depends on the intent and emotion used with it

Hell luke used it with positive emotions and intent and it became emerald lightning

Thats deadly to pure evil force users

[dawn shore]

How large is the republic colony on taris? Like does it extend beyond where we can go in game?

[west sequoia]

considering the imperial storyline is about wiping the republic presence on taris out, probably not

[soft matrix]

I give you Jadus' battledroid

[unborn brook]

You must desire padding out the ranks of Mr ||redacted||, hmm?

[twin zinc]

You know I thought about Tulak Hord and remembered his immortality ritual and then asked myself if the possibility was there that Tulak Hord is still alive

I wanted to post that yesterday already but now that I just got the opportunity and thought about it before I posted it, I remembered that you can find his spirit on Yavin 4 so seemingly no

[bitter cedar]

Doing Iokath dailies for the galactic seasons this week after usually never doing those quests.. that zone really needs some attention/love. I was thinking, since its such a massive zone in-lore, that it has potential for a dungeon-crawler minigame quest that could go on indefinitely with bosses and loot. Or maybe have it be limited to ten bosses but have it be randomized, so like a different version of the eternal championship.

[dawn shore]

What’s considered honor/honorable to bounty hunters

[void pelican]

Varies from person to person

It’s one of those professions where you have your own code and stick to it

[twin zinc]

If we had some basic principles then some stuff like not going into slave trade, not fighting other people whp got a bounty while you track your own job like Boba with Cal

Other stuff like splitting the bounty with your partners

Not betraying your partners

[dawn shore]

Fair enough

[twin zinc]

There is no 100% universal code but stuff like this is often shown in series or games as examples of following some kind of code of honor

Also bounty stealing is frowned upon when someone already accepted a bounty contract

[native plaza]

That would also vary based on if they were a Mandalorian or not, what clan they were part of (to my understanding clans had different "rules" etc to some extent), and yes personal code as well certainly

[mild jetty]

The types of contracts you take matters too. Someone who accepts money to murder people for any reason is hardly a "bounty hunter", they're just a thug for hire. On the other end of the spectrum, there are people who only accept official contracts taking on actual criminals. Mako's dissapprovals generally relate to this theme, she would rather be the second type of bounty hunter.

[dawn shore]

Is beskar the only armor substance that makes your armor chrome?

[unborn brook]

You can just polish your armor to a mirror sheen...

[onyx badge]

even if its in german, but recently i played the sith warrior story after i finished it, i got a email from servant one where he explained that the jedi killed the Emperor's Voice... but i'm curious: Does the story of the Jedi Knight overlap here? Would be pretty cool because if i remember right the jedi knight kill atleast the voice

[meager forge]

This may answer your question. Just scroll down to Voss: https://forums.swtor.com/topic/837036-class-storyline-order-by-planet-for-altoholics-and-others/

[onyx badge]

nope

i'm speaking about after baras death

when the original story enmds

[meager forge]

It's been a hot minute since I've played the class stories. Was there another Voice? I thought the point of Warrior Voss was to discover the Emperor had his eye on a Voss Mystic, but Baras tried to intervene, so he could lay claim to being the Voice instead.

[onyx badge]

Thats correct - let me check the mail again

but i'm in a fp rn so could take some time

i let you knw

[onyx badge]

Okay so. You are correct but the mail comes after we killed baras. Its about that the Jedi tried the impossible and she tried to kill the emperor but they only killed the voice

and in the jedi knight you kinda kill the emperor, but its just the voice because its cleary not valkorion

[meager forge]

I doubt BioWare had Valkorian/Zakuul in mind at the time of the base game's conclusion. My interpretation was that while the Warrior was away fighting with Baras, the Knight was able to kill the Emperor. The Servants then relayed to the Warrior that the Emperor's "death" is greatly exaggerated, which alludes to his true nature.

[onyx badge]

probably true

[subtle salmon]

Servants do cone off acting like the Emperor can never die first time around

[dawn shore]

Do we know how many ruling families rule the chiss ascendency during game time? I read that the number changes somewhat consistently in their history

[bitter cedar]

Lets see… Inrokini… thats 1. Is Saganu his own family? Thats at least 2.

And there’s at least one chiss with a proper name during the shroud quest line so I guess that guy belongs to some family, idk if its a ruling family tho

[west sequoia]

yeah that's talking about the final mission of the Knight story

Vitiate had a lot of Voices

[soft matrix]

I hope the devs don't get lazy on Khar Shian and just make another Ziost world. I can see potential for ancient sith building structure and Hidden Chain military outposts and bases while the planet is like a warzone. Chaos in Khar Shian's orbit as Hidden Chain and Jadus' ships are attacking alliance and allied Mandalorian ships

It's actually a perfect planet for it to be a warzone as exchange fire against between the Hidden Chain Mandos against alliance allied Mandalorians

[dawn shore]

is taris's "natural" environment a jungle?

[west sequoia]

not much info on pre-settlement taris

[west sequoia]

I doubt they've got much leeway to change anything about the existing lore that says its an icy barren moon so there's probably going to be some environmental similarities to Ziost, they might even do an asset overhaul

[unborn brook]

Hopefully there'll have nice Sith ruin assets... Either recolored or completely new ones...

[west sequoia]

it wont surprise me if they find a way to reuse Yavin's temple assets considering they were Naga Sadow's fortresses

[dawn shore]

sorry wrong channel

but also, how many voss were settling places off world, given that in the smuggler story you have to deliver to several different planets

[void pelican]

So basically, sometime after the Knight’s strike mission with Tol Braga (the one that goes to shit), the Emperor swaps Voices to a Voss Mystic with Baras’s help. He gets trapped in the Dark Heart for a bit.

Warrior kills the Mystic Voice. The Emperor proceeds to get a new Voice… which the Knight kills in the attack on Dromund Kaas.

[meager forge]

So, either BioWare had always intended our characters to be given piecemeal information according to what they actually know vs. us as omnipresent Players, or they did a bit of retconning and cleaning up as time went on.

My understanding is that it's always ever been Tenebrae splintered into Vitiate and Valkorian (effectively two separate experiments). The Voice is another run-of-the-mill Child of the Emperor, but referred to and introduced as "the Voice" to maintain the secrecy of the Children of the Emperor altogether. So in his ignorance of the latter, Baras thought he could intercept the would-be Voice on Voss and assume the role. The Warrior, also ignorant to the existence of the Children, foils Baras' plans on Voss, thus preventing the Emperor from having to step out of the shadows to prove why Baras isn't the voice (assuming Vitiate cares at all).

All that to say is that the Jedi Knight really did kill Vitiate, the long-standing Emperor in the known galaxy, whose spirit spent all of the succeeding expansions leading up to Knights of the Eternal Throne trying to find a physical body. He ultimately fails, but then we're led to the discovery of Valkorian who has been ruling just as long.

A few Codex entries for reference:

• https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/tenebrae
• https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/vitiate
• https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/the-voice-of-the-emperor-warrior
• https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/cdx/children-of-the-emperor-a-sinister-history

[dawn shore]

Dumb question but are there more imperial moffs in the galaxy outside of the ones we see in game

[subtle salmon]

Think so, we just don’t see them

[west sequoia]

to maintain the secrecy of the Children of the Emperor altogether that was the point of the First Son, the Children are infiltrators first and hosts for Vitiate second; Voices are fully dedicated hosts whose original personalities have been utterly erased, there's numerous other Voices in the ancillary content such as this guy in the comic about Teneb Kel / Thanaton's rise to the Dark Council

Valkorion and Zakuul are a colossal retcon but they are kinda consistent with Vitiate's stated long-term plans to experience every kind of existence once he has obtained his true immortality

and particularly in retrospect with the introduction of Valkorion as a presence over centuries on Zakuul but primarily because of Kira's actions n the ch1 finale, I've always thought the idea that a Voice has to die for Vitiate to move on waas flawed

the nascent Wrath is sent to kill the Voss Voice because it has been manipulated into a place where Voss cannot escape, and because Vitiate doesn't want Sel-makor to take control of the Mystic he has suborned

[dawn shore]

does the current sith even know about the kotor 2 sith triumvirate and people like traya, sion, and nihilus?

[narrow mulch]

@dawn shore has become a Hero of the Revanites for reaching rank 10.

[elfin anchor]

yes

some made a cult dedicated to Darth Nihilus

they're the main villains of the R4 anomaly operation

in the smuggler story theres also a sith that wanted to get Nihilus' holocron

some argue that the ghost Baras had enslaved on Corellia is actually Traya, somehow, so theres also that

one of the ships that participates in the battle of corellia is basically a modified centurion class (same ship class as Nihilus' ravager). That'd also lead you to think that Vitiate's Sith, at some point and one way or another, made contact with the remnants of Revan's Sith Empire

the malachor system is still being visited by both jedi and sith during this period

one of the crew skill missions you have has you send your companions to check the remains of Malachor 4 in search of any type of life that could have survived the destruction.

Pretty safe to assume that the Sith were aware of what happened in that system and what the Triumvirate were up to

[west sequoia]

"some" being one of the lead writers of the game

imo its also kinda hard to see the codex entry pointing to anyone except Kreia

[jovial ether]

Respectfully disagree because I have a bunch of contrary evidence, but to each their own

[dawn shore]

does czerka corp still engage in slavery?

[west sequoia]

probably in some isolated corner of the galaxy, yeah

[unborn brook]

Or publicly while doing business in Imperial space...

[dawn shore]

SWTOR is considered legends right

[unborn brook]

Yeah

[tepid aurora]

It's the only source of Legend content still going

[subtle salmon]

Was it ever explained how the PC is immune to the rackgoul disease? I can see how the Jedi and Sith are with the force protecting them, just curious of the others

[native plaza]

but we aren't, there is the vaccine but if you don't use it you get the plague and eventually die or explode or whatever (been a long time)... sure you don't turn into one but they can't exactly make that work people would lose it if they did that LOL

[subtle salmon]

Was wondering in story and not the event

When you go to Taris

[mild jetty]

eso has player vampires and werewolves that are skill tree lines that are gained from being infected. swtor has an opportunity for something like that with rakghouls

but we don't have a summoner class or even a tech melee class so I guess there are other priorities. We don't even have playable pazaak or dejarik...

[native plaza]

I suspect the planet story? or is that a general exploration mission? Pub side is closest we get to that where you help create a vaccine

[subtle salmon]

Planet story think it was

[bitter cedar]

Would be cool if we could get a new combat style from an optional side-story . Maybe some quest, or venture, with zakuul knights for a pike/shield class.

[twin zinc]

Simple. You don't get yourself bit.

[bitter cedar]

i feel like kotfe chapter 12 would be a good opportunity to retroactively have non-force clasaes learn a force combat style

[west sequoia]

that is the exact thing that people hated the first version of kotfe 12 for

[bitter cedar]

true

[jovial ether]

Yo my homies what happens to Sel-Makor after Jedi Knight story if Jedi Knight decides to side with him and let him spread darkness on Voss?

Is he still there in KOTET or no? I presume he is in this scenario because wasn't it said that Sel-Makor's "spread of darkness" plan a slow process over Voss?

Regardless, he is gonzo, given some sourcebook says Voss is still around in the Imperial Era, (don't know how canonical that is though).

[elfin anchor]

it is still around, and it isnt just a single sourcebook that claims it

Voss just becomes a mining colony for the Galactic Empire

what the sourcebook adds, interestingly enough, is that the Mystics fucked off to the Nightmare lands

and that they had long since stopped having a say in the actual politics of Voss (not like they'd have any tbh considering the GE colonized it)

[elfin anchor]

and that the Inquisitorius is investigating them

[jovial ether]

Very interesting. What is the actual name of the source for this information?

[elfin anchor]

I dont remember, but they were from Fantasy Flight Games. I believe i posted the screenshots here before at any rate.

lemme check