you have to bdash on quick rise
#Aki Believers Group
slender bone
same with mk snake step
you can shimmy on back rise but that's tricky
if you want to have that kind of freedom otherwise, it's raw dr
ok let me correct
if they do immediate throw or "fast delay" (3f), you can't shimmy
if they do 7f, you can shimmy in all scenarios
copper yacht
It's not quite the same but you can delay tech on offense too if you're in a situation like that
regal girder
basically if they smart and delay tech, you can shimmy
regal girder
you have to bdash on quick rise
can you get a st hk pc after backdash or has to be something faster?
weary widget
No, cause sometimes its too spaced out
Youre better off doing light chain or doing shimmy
young moth
I love to instant tech man
wait is this the real rooflemonger?????
copper yacht
wait is this the real rooflemonger?????
Haha no sorry I'm a fraud
sleek rune
I'm an instant techer
This is why I hate fighting Phil btw
A lot of shimmy setups don’t work if they insta tech
Especially on characters with slower walk speed
peak crystalBOT
A.K.I. - [bWalk] - 0.032 [fWalk] - 0.0452
Chun-Li - [bWalk] - 0.035 [fWalk] - 0.05
cedar wolf
What oki should I memorize for what moves?
modest fox
heavy lash knockdown gives a safejump, double dash or medium slide into a strike / throw or DR into strike / throw / shimmy iirc
modest fox
corner combo ending in stance dive (pop) gives you enough frame advantage to set up puddle
and you have a throwloop in the corner
cedar wolf
I dunno how to break the habit of me just doing coward crouch dive constantly
like a lot of people just keep walking back and I think they're gonna fireball but then they just bait it
hoary lynx
Have a training drill of Ryu doing nothing for 100f versus a Ryu doing a fireball and then blocking
And try to hit only on punish counter
modest fox
no, don't do that imo
forget about stance dive as a fireball punish
you can show stance if they fb a lot but you can't stance dive on reaction so just don't do it
gritty creek
yeah this is kind of a silly exercise when its not a fireball reaction check tool like say cammy sa3
hoary lynx
you can show stance if they fb a lot but you can't stance dive on reaction so ju...
... can't you?
I meant stance... then reacting with dive
I used to do that when playing Aki
If they don't throw fireball you don't dive
I thought that was one of Aki's best tools against fbs, especially at low level
A bit confused after this conv
If commisioner's problem is that they're doing stance -> dive all the time, I think learning when to stop the dive or actually go for the dive is worth to do
modest fox
I dont think it's worth learning it because you have way less risky options instead
like learning to walk and block / parry
the way commissioner worded it makes me think theyre trying to do it on a read
I think it's just better to leave it behind altogether
slender bone
you have to already be in stance for it to be a reaction punish
which means you have to be comfortable with stance and breaking stance regularly
weary widget
you can show stance if they fb a lot but you can't stance dive on reaction so ju...
Unless its sagat or aki
slender bone
https://www.twitch.tv/hikaru_shiftne Hikaru doing a FT100 against Yamaguchi Mai
cedar wolf
the way commissioner worded it makes me think theyre trying to do it on a read
belatedly this is correct
modest fox
belatedly this is correct
yeah thought so, my personal advice is to just forget about it as an anti fireball tool tbh
cedar wolf
that's gonna be a strong urge to fight against
modest fox
I used to do it a lot too
I used to autopilot stance into stance dive
I slowly replaced it with stance into stance kicks when I got the "urge"
after a while I just autopiloted less
don't know how or why
cedar wolf
I also still do not understand my normal ranges
I am always getting out poked by everyone else
Like vs this terry
Actually Lily is a better example
modest fox
what are you poking with and what's your reasoning behind those pokes
cedar wolf
oh i never noticed you replied
modest fox
timezone difference so I reply a few hours late usually
cedar wolf
well I'm mad at a different thing now anyhow
modest fox
what're you mad about
cedar wolf
Kim three times in a row
modest fox
fair
I just got beat up by a ultimate master Kimberly in battlehub
had no clue what to do
cedar wolf
I'm starting to think I will never shake the bad habits I built up on this character
maybe it's not the right fit
modest fox
doubt that it's a character problem
you just gotta THINK about what you're doing when you're playing
the bad habits are bad choices or they're not even choices cuz they're habits
cedar wolf
I don't get how people do it
modest fox
do what
think?
you practice the things you can automate so you have more mental energy to think about the strategy
cedar wolf
yeah like right now I'm losing to an Elena just getting hit over and over, can't even focus
can't formulate anything
other than like 'just die you cunt'
I need to just force myself to study a replay, like, right now
cedar wolf
not the elena because I ended up throwing the game, but maybe one of the kimberlys
how do I properly study a replay
cedar wolf
these rounds go so fucking fast it's too much
modest fox
?replayreview
granite ferryBOT
・Did I get hit?
→ Was it a jumpin? Why did I miss my AA (hitting a slow button, deer in headlights, etc)?
→ Was it Drive Impact? Could I have counter drive impacted, or parried?
→ What was the situation that lead to me getting hit?
・Did I hit them?
→ Did it lead into a combo?
→→ If it didn't, is there a combo I could have done, maybe with drive rush?
→ After that combo, could I have gotten pressure on their wakeup?
・Did I block something?
→ Are they plus? yes, keep blocking
→ 0 oB? consider challenging with fast button
→ -2? Challenge with 4-5f button or throw
→ punishable by lights?
→ punishable by mediums/heavies?
cedar wolf
alright I actually looked at a replay and saw some things
cedar wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb2qTSZ1Abc
My review:
0:14 got hit because I did another st. mk when I was -2, so mashing
0:15 missed opportunity to either air-to-air j.lp or just walk forward and hit something like st. hk
0:19 I forgot to takeover for this, maybe I could have hit her when she flips?
0:22 got hit because I was -5 and I mashed cr. lp (no reason I did it) plus she was spaced out
0:25 Could have just anti-aired or slid instead of neutral jump
0:34 same deal, instead of DI
0:55 I think I was looking at dioscord chat and forgot to tab back in
1:01 could have done a better punish with st. hk here
1:05 dropped combo
1:13 since she was airborne due to the poison burst I could have done dr st. mp x hp lash for corner carry
1:15 again could have done an air-to-air or walk forward
1:27 lastly, again with takeover, instead of throw I could have done hp lash for that neutral jump
cedar wolf
think I will make it a goal to review 5 replays this week
slender bone
the point of review is to find common trends in your gameplay and work on them hard af so that they are no longer issues
cedar wolf
still doing unsafe dives almost every match, but I guess I'm slowly whittling that down
regal girder
make dive less of a habit imo
if you KNOW they will fireball
then sure let it rip IF you are already in stance
hoary lynx
That's why I recommended training stopping the stance unless you see the fireball startup, that changes the way you see "stance -> dive" muscle memory to "stance > observe > either stop or dive"
cedar wolf
today went three games before I did an unsafe dive
modest fox
actually huge improvement if you were doing it every game before 👏
cedar wolf
I still don't understand how to actually play this game
modest fox
neither do I man
cedar wolf
without doing like crazy shit,
modest fox
for AKI just do fireball drive rush and ex flippy daggers
which is crazy shit but it works
cedar wolf
except this is hampering my ability to enjoy the game
modest fox
what is hampering it
cedar wolf
not knowing what to literally do
modest fox
for AKI just do fireball drive rush and ex flippy daggers
☝️
cedar wolf
not working on this cammy
modest fox
whats her response
modest fox
fair, aki ifireball s very slow so easy for her to knuckle through
modest fox
you dont have to play if you dont want to
cedar wolf
I want to get good at the game
modest fox
i get that
I''m finally starting to get some enjoyment out of ranked again after a long time where i felt i wasnt improving
cedar wolf
and stop getting my ass kicked several times in a row
and win at locals
like not being able to get a grasp of the mechanics of the game = not fun
modest fox
yeah for sure man
slender bone
I dunno man
Why don't you understand the mechanics? You have to dig into that way more
The information is out there and you know how you learn things for yourself, you just gotta marry the two together somehow
cedar wolf
maybe I'm trying to articulate something in the wrong fashion
slender bone
entirely possible
cedar wolf
yeah I'm gonna ruminate
cedar wolf
yeah I don't understand when I should DI
regal girder
yeah I don't understand when I should DI
It depends, but usually as a callout to a special or to threaten people at the corner as a reaction check
cedar wolf
alright my goal is to not be so reliant on fireball drive rush
regal girder
Good goal
cedar wolf
and not give gief players a runback
regal girder
Hmmm dont do that 
But yeah working on neutral has been doing wonders for me
I dont always use fb drive rush, but it is still there to threaten people
slender bone
I pretty much only DI against people who are burnt out
modest fox
alright my goal is to not be so reliant on fireball drive rush
were you even doing this
you weren't in the games I watched
cedar wolf
you watched every single one of my games then?
modest fox
no
quartz cedar
What do I get off of Hwhip on a poisoned opponent both in the corner and mid screen? I assume DR into something, but Lwhip is not cutting it in both damage and oki
regal girder
What do I get off of Hwhip on a poisoned opponent both in the corner and mid scr...
Corner, you can do hp bubble into dr HK xx stance dive, for huge oki
Midscreen you could do dr st mp xx h whip but honestly if you can get m whip when they poisoned already, thats a better thing for midscreen
L whip detonate is ok, you can usually connect a sweep (D HP) after
cedar wolf
what buttons are generally safe to press in neutral
quartz cedar
Corner, you can do hp bubble into dr HK xx stance dive, for huge oki
What do I do after coward Crouch dive into puddle if my opponent has an exdp? I can’t meaty fireball because it will go through it. Do I just wait and go for a strike throw or is there something else I can set up?
cedar wolf
also I don't know how to fight JP as Aki without coward crouch dive
slender bone
Does that even work against anything he does?
cedar wolf
yeah I only use it on ghosts
and I parry the spikes
but then I forgot about his cane stuff
regal girder
What do I do after coward Crouch dive into puddle if my opponent has an exdp? I ...
So after stance dive detonate, you have a lot of options from there. You can do puddle into drive rush options as a start. Alternatively, one thing you can do is after stance dive detonate, whiff sweep and then immediately f. jump heavy for a safe jump
quartz cedar
What do I do against a character that constantly rushes me down? I feel like the point of aki is to set up a fireball or do something from afar and then drive rush in, but if you’re against someone who’s always throwing out pokes and walking you down with good walk speed that game plan doesn’t exist anymore, and she doesn’t seem to have very good buttons for playing the honest neutral. Footies style of neutral against a chun or a Kimberly or cammy I just get poked to death
regal girder
She has great normals for neutral, which is composed of st mp, cr mp, st mk, cr hk etc., and yeah if fireball drive rush isnt working anymore, thats where you have to start relying on other things such as neutral
modest fox
crhk is pretty easy to whiff punish with
stmk is an easy confirm into stmp xx h lash which gets you a knockdown
verbal whale
She has great normals for neutral, which is composed of st mp, cr mp, st mk, cr ...
or ex flippy hands
but ye don’t underestimate aki’s neutral
stmp is a 5 active frame 6f startup move
her crhk is a warcrime
stmk is great since it doesn’t have any kind of extended hurtbox on startup
crmp being 7f now is great
and her 4f being stlk too is good for the range
also ye the ex flippy hands was a meme but not so much, you can just skip neutral with it and it’s very hard to stop
and you have light whip being an amazing move to throw out since if they try to counterpoke you and whiff you crumple them by being a bit lucky
and once they’re afraid of pressing to counterpoke they’ll try to jump on you to stop the whips and your antiairs are good with good reward
and that gives you options to setup your fireballs
regal girder
try not to rely on stance kicks on block against giefers
cedar wolf
what's the best AA for him considering they like to do the dropkick
regal girder
the usual ones
cedar wolf
alright nevermind
weary widget
what's the best AA for him considering they like to do the dropkick
Pretty much all of them
verbal whale
isn’t the drop kick punishable on block
copper yacht
If he does the hold and bounces off he's super minus
If he just taps it it's a regular j.hk
slender bone
verbal whale
oh he meant uncharged
cedar wolf
I can't really tell when it's the charged one
slender bone
It should not matter
Your anti-air would beat both
cedar wolf
I notice I tend to immediately do light lash after a throw tech
which makes people get jump ins on me
regal girder
I notice I tend to immediately do light lash after a throw tech
Yep. You're likely to do it a lot after "reset" situations I've noticed
this is a good thing you noticed this though, because if the opp tries to jump in on you after a reset
that's a free anti air for you, you can bait them into jumping
good that you noticed it yourself though
so now you can work around with it
cedar wolf
still hard to stop doing unsafe crouch dives
regal girder
try to not use it at all
cedar wolf
yeah but then I forget how to like approach
regal girder
then that should be what your focus is
cedar wolf
I've got like six different focuses
regal girder
can you name em for me rn?
cedar wolf
nah I made that number up
regal girder
well, do you have focuses that you've identified for yourself and want to work on?
cedar wolf
besides those two things previously mentioned?
regal girder
yep
cedar wolf
uh not tilting
regal girder
that's mindset related but anyways
you can start working on the previously two mentioned flaws, one which requires you to learn how to approach without the use of stance dive
and the other which has you learn about conditioning
you're gonna have to learn how to approach closer the old fashioned way, walk and block
stance dive is a good anti fireball option, but if you keep trying to brute force it, chances are you're prolly throwing rounds away purely cuz of that
the other is easier, after any reset just keep in the back of your head "this guy is likely to jump after the reset" so that's your cue to anti air that
cedar wolf
I also throw tech too much and get shimmied, parry on wakeup, mash on wakeup, try to jump on wakeup when cornered, keep getting my normals interrupted by other normals with better range, don't know how to drive rush while on the right, don't understand when to properly use DI, drop combos
verbal whale
I also throw tech too much and get shimmied, parry on wakeup, mash on wakeup, tr...
well the best exercise i’ve ever been told to do regarding this is take a break from ranked (or do it there if you completely do not care about points, since you’re gonna lose a lot) and follow this schedule:
-Play sets in BH and start every KD guess without doing nothing, just block.
-From now on your next wakeup is gonna be an option that beats the last one your opponent picked (throw-delay tech / button - delay button / shimmy - wakeup crmk). Eg:
1)You block - your opponent threw you
2)you delay tech - you block a strike
3) you delay mash etc.
What this exercise gives you is more insight on what your opponent does and how to beat it, by being more aware on what your opponent does you can make random situations less random, since people usually follow a pattern. By doing this you also learn the value of blocking to gather information, very useful but surprisingly hard to execute, and to do it properly you have to drop any interest in winning otherwise you’ll go back to old habits
verbal whale
well the best exercise i’ve ever been told to do regarding this is take a break ...
if you block a strike 3 times in a row you’re allowed to reversal
the more you get comfortable the more you can go deeper, for example if you see they shimmy a lot on throws you can start to change the counter play to throws to backdash etc.
cedar wolf
i also think it's really stupid that wakeup suppers can interrupt even when I go for a cr. lp on their wakeup
regal girder
There are setups where meaty jab recovers fast enough to block wake up supers /od dp iirc
cedar wolf
There are setups where meaty jab recovers fast enough to block wake up supers /o...
what setups are those?
regal girder
There was a video for it i saw a while ago, ill have to look for it, if i find it ill link you
cedar wolf
yeah link me that
cedar wolf
well the best exercise i’ve ever been told to do regarding this is take a break ...
so it sounds like you have to keep cycling options
regal girder
@cedar wolf https://youtu.be/KxRawx55NOY?si=H72DFPujD2p4dmX6
Here
He explains safe jabs in the vid which is basically just meaty lights that recover in time that can beat invincible reversals on wakeup
cedar wolf
thanks
cedar wolf
how do I fight Mai
modest fox
dont let her throw od fan, dont let her get you to the corner 🙂
weary widget
how do I fight Mai
Uh pray to god things go your way ngl
That character is legit AKI, Akuma, Guile, and Ken but if they where better
cedar wolf
So nothing to be done, then
cedar wolf
Also I keep eating jump ins with light lash
Like should I just not use it same as with crouch five?
slender bone
Why are you mashing lp lash so much is the question I would ask
I think like before you're trying to find like textbook solutions to an extremely dynamic genre
If you notice yourself getting jumped on A LOT (and the replays actually show that), you have to look at location, timing of what you're doing and re-evaluate if that was a good thing to do
Taking into account what your opponent is trying to do etc
cedar wolf
usually to keep someone like gief out, or I tend to do it after teching a throw
or I just feel like it in neutral
verbal whale
Also I keep eating jump ins with light lash
its the weakness of the move
since its completely unreactable (its a 42f move and a jump hits your in roughly 34 frames iirc, making it a 8f reaction which is impossible) theyre jumping as a guess, and you being hit by them often means that your timing on it is very predictable OR you are not getting their jump rhythm
cedar wolf
I think a good practice for me is to not rematch if the first loss pisses me off
cedar wolf
still struggling with not doing crouch dive all the time and I don't know why
modest fox
think all has been said what can be said
at some point you have to just not do it lol
cedar wolf
I forgot about that convo. But I guess I'll just force myself not to do it
even if I know they're gonna do a fireball
slender bone
You should print out a picture of this and put it somewhere nearby so you can look at it occassionally and remind yourself
hoary lynx
There were like other 2 people giving you suggestions in that conversation. You might try any of those
cedar wolf
what buttons are good for shimmying
modest fox
what do you mean
cedar wolf
when I shimmy
modest fox
sthk
modest fox
what do you go into after 5mk PC @weary widget
modest fox
isn't that pretty bad for a shimmy
regal girder
isn't that pretty bad for a shimmy
you can get 2mp xx od whip from 5mk PC, but at tip range only 2hk/2hp can reach
regal girder
depends. I've shimmied people that tech hella delayed, and was left out too far for crmp
modest fox
doesn't that just mean you walked back too much
regal girder
prolly yea, i gotta work on that 
modest fox
I just autopilot sthk which is a problem too but i dont get killed for it so its fine 🤠
where are you ranked at rn @regal girder
regal girder
haven't ranked in a while, so it's just left off on 1370 mr
rn i'm tryna get comfortable with viper, so aki is on the side for now
modest fox
good luck with that 🤞
verbal whale
isn't that pretty bad for a shimmy
if youre cracked it links to sa3
PC stmk link into lvl3
i usually stmp for shimmies tho
weary widget
isn't that pretty bad for a shimmy
Depends on what you want
weary widget
I only do it cause 5.Hk doesnt always work so I do that to either get a knockdown or get a super off
Otherwise its 5.Hk/2.Mp
verbal whale
modest fox
why @verbal whale
i refunded GB btw, idk none of the characters interested me like SF's did
verbal whale
why <@620283780091084831>
local soon
verbal whale
i refunded GB btw, idk none of the characters interested me like SF's did
nooo
modest fox
local soon
ew you play garbage game locals?
verbal whale
ew you play garbage game locals?
i go and meet my friends!
verbal whale
nah it’s a sf tournament
surely there will be a gb stand but its strictly sf tourney
modest fox
oh yeah cool, have fun
crude path
I stopped playing other than the odd time with my hitbox, cuz I didn't wanna commit to learning it and had uni
but I've graduated, now I work full-time (still at my previous part-time job), but I've got no other obligations
so I'm getting better with hitbox rn
current plan is just to grind casual queue until I get more and more comfortable with playing naturally with it
I can already hit comboes (bar consistency issues) so it's getting better at offense, neutral and defending (mainly switching between stand block, crouch block, executing the right abares on-time, improving consistency with OD slide input)
slender bone
but you were grinding casual queue before as well, so nothing has changed
modest fox
what's the purpose of grinding casuals
regal girder
Warming up ig?
crude path
cuz I wanna play long sets
I don't like just Bo3s or getting one-and-done'd
casual queue just means I'll get guys willing to play 10+ games in a row
modest fox
id try battlehub instead
find someone on a similar skill level
or tag people in #sf_lobbies
I dont like casuals cuz skill level is all over the place
slender bone
It doesn't hone your adaptation skill either because it's too long to get going
crude path
adaptation doesn't matter in ranked since most people will beat you once, as fast as possible, and quit so you can't adapt
and if you do beat them then they still quit anyway
modest fox
🤔
adaptation doesnt matter because you cant do it fast enough?
seems like an argument pro practicing adapting
crude path
*even if I did adapt and beat them, they still quit
modest fox
i think one and dones happen like 5% of the time for me in ranked
crude path
it was atleast 60% of my ranked games
slender bone
adaptation doesn't matter in ranked since most people will beat you once, as fas...
categorically false
adapting after getting 55 years to get used to them is a different skill compared to getting only 35 seconds
crude path
yeah but my point is that the adaptation won't matter if people who you adapt to beat refuse to play you
slender bone
one I ignored because it's not relevant
crude path
why do you think it's not relevant
slender bone
you being unlucky with one and dones does not invalidate the requirement to learn quick adaptation
cedar wolf
having trouble fighting ed, I struggle with the ranges of his normals
regal girder
in my experience, try to not play footsies against ed
those normals do hurt, however they are quite commital, so a simple jump in would hurt them a lot if they're normal happy
however they can start playing around that and start doing it less and bait a free jump from you to anti air
cedar wolf
me constantly being outpoked by other characters really pisses me off
like I can't just get in on anyone. Ed, now this Terry
what the fuck am I missing
verbal whale
having trouble fighting ed, I struggle with the ranges of his normals
ed is one of those characters you really dont wanna play neutral against
and he struggles to check unexpected drive rushes consistently since his moves have low active frames
and hes probably the character that loses more to stance dive
ed is a char where you kinda wanna understand his framedata
his more obnoxious buttons are kinda slow (stmk 10f/crmk 9f/crhk 12f) and you can expect those when he pushes you far away with a string. Luckily capcom blessed us with crhk being 10f and it often couter hits him in these situations (be careful that it doesnt whiff tho)
be very careful to fb when he has lvl3 since its a very good reaction super
also stmk drc has always a gap, we dont have a reversal that can get but you can PP the jab
cedar wolf
I'll upload one later
regal girder
For akis od whip, if it hits PC, does it give more frames (assuming its the version where they dont have poison on at first)
weary widget
For akis od whip, if it hits PC, does it give more frames (assuming its the vers...
Yes
Makes your plus 9 so you can do heavy kick
cedar wolf
btw that combo where it's like cr. lp, cr. lp, st. lk x hp lash, why the st. lk and not just a third cr. lp?
slender bone
more often than not, the cr.lp makes hp lash whiff if you're not point blank
cedar wolf
oh
verbal whale
btw that combo where it's like cr. lp, cr. lp, st. lk x hp lash, why the st. lk ...
has more range and used to allow qcfMP
but now you get it from crlp too
regal girder
@verbal whale what specials can net me that one meaty overhead setup where i would whiff cr jab or something into meaty overhead
Ive seen it used in corners which is mainly what i wanna use it for
cedar wolf
but now you get it from crlp too
is mp lash good as an ender?
regal girder
is mp lash good as an ender?
Ofc
But it also depends on the situation
If they're already poisoned and you get a combo started, m lash is ideal there
M lash without poison is also good cuz it has quite the amount of corner carry
verbal whale
is mp lash good as an ender?
its the best if poisoned, but whiffs on crouching
verbal whale
<@620283780091084831> what specials can net me that one meaty overhead setup whe...
i only remember in the corner
poison proc, dr sthk xx qcbHP, whiff sthk, overhead
regal girder
<@1013564572130611270>
This shit is cool holy
cedar wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mei0Bodvrpk how the fuck do I fight cammy
annoying creep
weary widget
Ok well lets focus on whats more important which is you need to work on your hit confrims and combos
Other than that your general plan is to always be moving never sit in one spot against cammy
modest fox
yeah you didn't finish a single combo
don't do random heavy lash
don't do fireball on wakeup
stop doing panic DI
slow down so you can think about what you and your opponent are doing
regal girder
Try to be more cautious of drive as well
Burning out cuz of 3 failed di attempts isnt good mane
cedar wolf
that was due to being pissed off
cedar wolf
also I have been dropping combos ever since I switched the buttons out of the old ones
i was the aki though
modest fox
both of you are just fucking swinging lol it's tilting to look at
cedar wolf
well i was tilted
modest fox
also I have been dropping combos ever since I switched the buttons out of the ol...
3 lights into a non canceled heavy lash
does not sound like a controller side problem
modest fox
no that's a very clear missed confirm
you're slow on your inputs
iirc there's another moment where you get a jump attack but fail to convert it into a combo
because you're slow on the sthk
cedar wolf
yeah that's a recent issue I've had
cosmic scarab
Can anyone show me Akis chip out sequence I think I have it but not sure.
regal girder
Can anyone show me Akis chip out sequence I think I have it but not sure.
Basically just looping cr lp st mp but after the third repetition, you start looping cr lp st mp xx stance kicks
All that is a frame trap so if they get counter hit you're doing it right
Alternatively, after the third rep you can drc from the st mp into st mp and then restart the cr lp st mp loop from there
cosmic scarab
Not the burnout loop the chip out with ex bubbles to super to chip them out basically the checkmate once they can do anything @regal girder
I have this it works but idk if you supposed to start with ex cruel fate @regal girder
regal girder
Ohhh chip out, my bad
Im not too sure if thats it
Uhhhh im not too sure cuz i rarely chip out for rounds
Lemme see
peak crystalBOT
regal girder
Nop
peak crystalBOT
regal girder
Yeah that might be it
Alright as long as it works and they cant mash out then you chilling lol
cosmic scarab
Ok
weary widget
I have this it works but idk if you supposed to start with ex cruel fate <@10135...
Thats tech Im stealing
cosmic scarab
Thats tech Im stealing
I was gone ask you if you knew it. But the ex cruel fate can be supers. I saw broski do it but I can’t find the video. So is this true? also you can level 2 after the last ex fireball if you do the whip follow up.
cosmic scarab
I was gone ask you if you knew it. But the ex cruel fate can be supers. I saw br...
@weary widget I only can get it to chip out at i think at %18 but I think it will be good for people trying to block and wait for di stun to super but once you hit that cruel fate its check mate
cedar wolf
so I don't understand the whole cr. lp, cr. lp, st. lk thing still because it seems more difficult to pull off than just the two low punches
also how are you supposed to time the hits?
slender bone
The only possible way is to practice it regularly
Just don't cr.lp > st.lk then and keep with cr.lp ~ cr.lp until you feel comfortable doing it with st.lp
cedar wolf
is st. lk the best normal to check drive rush? I feel like it's more reliable than st. mp
cedar wolf
i figured if a move comes out quicker it's better
exotic dust
if you can catch them with either then the one that leads to more dmg is the better idea
and well, teh stmp saves your ass if they do the good ole raw drive rush DI lol
exotic dust
tho you'll prolly have enough time with the light kick too
regal girder
is st. lk the best normal to check drive rush? I feel like it's more reliable th...
it can depend on range
in the very small chance that someone up close to you will parry drive rush, then yea maybe
but usually for the spacings where people drive rush in neutral such as like, round start spacing for example, it's better to use your medium buttons with good range
cr mp is my favorite button to check with cuz i can buffer into od whip
tame pebble
I need help on this matchup bad
slender bone
Post what is causing you issues
tame pebble
Post what is causing you issues
Her fireball and then kinda don’t know what to do on block with her I’m Akuma player
slender bone
normal or OD fireball