PU Rates

[gritty heath]

https://pokepast.es/2e8adcaf0bd734d7

[split sedge]

Gbro is nu

[gritty heath]

heres a rampardos team i made a while back, some stuff is gone

[split sedge]

Gg

[gritty heath]

ye and bronzong

but its the best use of rampardos

[pseudo pine]

You're saying that Rampardos being one point slower than a fucking Lycanroc means it's bad

[split sedge]

Yes

[pseudo pine]

LMFAO

[split sedge]

Scarfers shouldnt be slow

Yknow

[gritty heath]

outclassed would be a better way to put it

might i ask what u were trying to accomplish by posting the team here? cuz u dont seem open to advice

[pseudo pine]

Rampardos has one of the highest attack stats in the game

[split sedge]

Stats arent everything

Specially when is only 1 good stat

[pseudo pine]

then that means speed isn't anything????

[split sedge]

And everything else is bad

[split sedge]

Its important

But my point is slow mons can still be good

[gritty heath]

its by all means a hard af hitter, but we have so many powerful wallbreakers that even its power isnt enough to justify it over wallbreakers that offer more

[split sedge]

Bc they are defensive

Usually

Rampardos is slow , has only good atk

[gritty heath]

why dont we ignore rampardos for now

[split sedge]

Yea im done rating

This is tiresome

[junior prawn]

If you're not gonna listen to the raters, don't come into the rating channel looking for advice. Quit being argumentative.

[gritty heath]

i think u should check out the sample sets

and nothing is holding hdb+u have no removal

[split sedge]

.

[gritty heath]

so hazards are a large weakness

[ember ruin]

If you’re not going to listen to the advice given to you, why are you posting here

[gritty heath]

one never truely becomes a memer in a tier until they learn whats unmeme

-uberskitty, top pu meme teambuilder

[pseudo pine]

Nuh uh

[cosmic marten]

bro really thinks these sets are good

win a roomtour or a smogtour bruh

[karmic stirrup]

• posted team for advice
• hates advice

lol

[cosmic marten]

https://pokepast.es/5a1b9535a75643c7

for articuno…

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[fallow forum]

ill check this when im off work

[fallow forum]

• change freezing glare to stored power if ur running wp agility guno
• you don't need redbull and pawmot
• you also don't need minior here really, there are other HO sweepers you could use, could also add a ditto to HO proof yourself
• change cc on lycan to endeavor
• change braviary to something else, guno is already filling the role
• if you keep redbull i'd consider changing stone edge to sub or trailblaze

[hybrid marlin]

https://pokepast.es/51b3336c8b14d631
curse arcanine causes a lot of trouble for this team
i'm not sure whether it's a good idea to compromise other tatsugiri draco immunity as well as speed control to live 2 +1 tera normal arcanine espeeds. 1 turn for rapid spin and the other for draco/memento
Would it be better just to ev farigiraf for this?

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[split sedge]

not sure on farigiraf on this team

[hybrid marlin]

how so?

[split sedge]

its just not great rn

specially with gcuno around

you can prob run golurk over it if youd like

[hybrid marlin]

i really like tr becaise if i fail a farigiraf sweep i can always switch to orthworm
im not sure if i should give up that synergy but your call

[split sedge]

i mean orthwom isnt a good ho mon aswell

[hybrid marlin]

hm..

just to clarify:
swap fargiraf for golurk
swap orthworm for another physical tank (or maybe garticuno?)

[split sedge]

yeah should prob be better

[hybrid marlin]

ty much appreciated 😄

[split sedge]

np

[cosmic marten]

Minifraud? Ok, I had redbull in mind because gastro and various other checks got sucked up into higher tiers from the vacuum, but idk

[fallow forum]

you can just drop paw then and run smth else over it

minior is also a mega fraud yeah

[cosmic marten]

https://pokepast.es/46264a146fdac13f
Sth like this?

The ladder was so freaking dead lmao

Oh waut

Wait

[fallow forum]

if ur gonna k9 then i'd just pawmot over redbull

or like

scrafty, even

[cosmic marten]

Hmmmmmm

Is mini fraud due to forme change? Or sth else

Or is it just matchup fish

[gritty heath]

these sets are suboptimal af

also a handful of the mons suk

rain in general is bleh with the ban of damp rock

so first id suggest checking out the mons' sample sets

[weak sparrow]

Yeah rain is pretty doo doo that’s why I paired it with tailwind

This really a first draft

Thought of adding more synergy with electric terrain

Cuz terrain extender isn’t banned

But I can only use so many mons I got thunder on dundun

[weak sparrow]

Isn’t that why they’re in PU

[gritty heath]

i meant suk in pu

also terrain is only good when the entire team is built around it with a auto setter, ie thwackey and indd

tailwind is niche in general, we lost our best setter (tornadus) to nu

but overall mixing such strats into one team isnt gonna turn out well, ur best off focusing on one (even tho theyre all niche)

[weak sparrow]

Yeah I get their neiche just trying things out, what do you think of the TR team that’s a little more defined but from a while ago

I made the rain dance one today

Just playing with field manipulation to invest less into speed

Thinking of sun

Just testing out slight advantages especially in PU that’s why I like it there’s room to test out niche things

I tried out sticky web too but it might even be worse than rain

Just because way more mons get rain dance access

[lavish breach]

does anyone have a newer PU team?

[distant shadow]

https://pokepast.es/e2ec85bf86be5a80

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[distant shadow]

thoughts? my first ever team

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PU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Tiering and rules
• Simple questions, simple answers
• Metagame discussion thread
• Tiering information
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[void elbow]

i would recomend looking at the vr and samples

before trying to make a team

:D

[gritty heath]

yeah i think u should look at the sample sets for these mons, since a lotta these sets are gimmicky at best

teammates wise, idk if id want cram and coal on the same team

since one of coal's main niches rn is spin+sr/spikes, and cram runs defog always so its redundant

so id say make golurk sr and replace coal

for speed control u can use the sd sample set which has sucker punch

and then add a scarfer over coal

trying to think of a good one for this team, tho florges is always a safe bet

[distant shadow]

thank u for the tips! cram is my favorite pokemon hence why im in PU lol.

[rich socket]

https://pokepast.es/91b33d927804c19d

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[gleaming fractal]

the defog cram is pretty out of place here

goes against the dedicated lead havalugg

on an offense like this i would just say fuck it and use another offensive mon

[rich socket]

i'm thinking tatsugiri if i take out cram

[gleaming fractal]

feel like u want more initial breaking power and speed

like pawmot

[rich socket]

that sounds good too, also lets me revive the GOAT minior if i run RB /j

[gleaming fractal]

revival is cool, 4 attacks is probably better though

not much value in reviving glass cannons

[fathom shoal]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1099856-s2mb9kigxmtkdbfnrpj5 bulky offensive PU. i'm rather new to this

[gritty heath]

werent u the user asking in pu the other day

gotta ask how an arboliva got on there lol

[fathom shoal]

yeah. and idk it just seemed to fit better?

there was a glaring ground weakness

[hybrid marlin]

https://pokepast.es/4d2a1d73736c77f7
trying to make critdra work in pu what do y'all think

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[gritty heath]

give hecidueye knock

also if ur trying to make one niche setup sweeper work idk about adding a econd (farig)

maybe a more reliable way to deal with milotic in that slot

something like pawmot maybe?

[hybrid marlin]

i'll see how pawmot goes then

[spark crown]

https://pokepast.es/56b100519937b9d0
:D

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[spark crown]

D:

[gritty heath]

i suggest u check out the pu discord for this, there are a handful of players obsessed with adv pu

id rate this if i had more knowledge of the metagame but alas

[tropic flicker]

There’s a PU discord?

[timid jasper]

https://pokepast.es/7dfed41c31215d09

[gritty heath]

ur better off with specs on whimsicott

and future sight on a weak mon like uxie is weird

also that frosmoth spread feels like it can be optimized, idk if thats the sample tho

[timid jasper]

wanted to do fsight + whims but I guess there would be better mons
its the sample frosmoth yeah

[gritty heath]

i stand corrected on the latter

[timid jasper]

I think fsight > psynoise and the whims set are the only non-dex stuff

[gritty heath]

im thinking an option is snowslash>frosmoth for hazard setting and then replace uxie with a dedicated offensive future sight user

team looks solid tho

[timid jasper]

any ideas on a more offensive one
they usually dont have a pivot and idk if thsts fine

[gritty heath]

hoopa/espeon come to mind, tho u can also go mesprit and keep the set mostly the same

with like dgleam>encore

[timid jasper]

ooh ty

[gritty heath]

i also see u have no volt absorber, maybe stick tera ground on bombird

and or salazzle

[timid jasper]

https://pokepast.es/2ea1ac41bcabbbf6 would it be like this

[gritty heath]

i was thinking if u went mes>uxie u would keep frosmoth, but this works too

on snowslash i recommend a different tera tho, just cuz u dont need another bulky water

[timid jasper]

noted, thank you

[timid jasper]

https://pokepast.es/1b9bacfb966de923 how about this one

[gritty heath]

really hates heattom

thinking rhydon>golurk and then a fighting resist>bombird

[timid jasper]

https://pokepast.es/40012c5170796eaa like this?

with rocks rhydon* oops

[gritty heath]

idk if i would call hraviary a great fighting resist, considering knock and stone edge

trying to find a replacement for glowbro

maybe florges? a ghost would be nice (even tho i just said to remove golurk) but theyre just such mediocre fighing switchins

[timid jasper]

hmm

what florges set do you recommend

[gritty heath]

hmmmm

maybe specs and make zoro cb?

or black glasses

or just wishpass cm, tho the team does appreciate the immediate power of specs

[timid jasper]

[timid jasper]

https://pokepast.es/eacb4da51b6b2802 this should be the last one for a while
want to at least have 3 unique teams for pu cup

[hexed hazel]

https://pokepast.es/2c3601c0c6a3f8e5 sun

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[gritty heath]

Drought is banned m8

if u wanna run sun ur gonna have to do it with a manual setter

also so many fire types is eh, even on sun, id recommend some variety

venusaur is prob the best sun sweeper we have, try that

[hexed hazel]

ah

didnt know

i am new to PU

thanks

[gritty heath]

no worries

[hexed hazel]

i was wondering why torkoal was in ZU

https://pokepast.es/03a6de93ff09bb6a

how's that

honestly

im an OU sun player and saw torkoal was in ZU

so i thought id make a PU sun team

[gritty heath]

u generally want 2 sun setters, i recommend something like uxie>coalossal

[hexed hazel]

k

heat rock uxie?

[gritty heath]

ye

btw u want whimsicott to be prankster so it can set up sun more reliably

[hexed hazel]

it is tho

oh wait

[gritty heath]

i think u might wanna double check that

[hexed hazel]

ya

i just changed it

lol

[gritty heath]

thinking of how to implement hazard removal onto this team, since sr kinda screws u over

[hexed hazel]

but if uxie>coal then no hazard removal

ya

also i really like the idea of meteor beam solar beam

[gritty heath]

its just a little slow to pull it off in sun

[hexed hazel]

ya

[gritty heath]

if u wanna use it ur gonna wanna take away another of the fire mons tho

[hexed hazel]

maybe uxie>brute?

[gritty heath]

sure

tho im still unsure about coal being ur spinner, id recommend rock polish>spin if u want the set to work better

[hexed hazel]

im fine to get rid of coal

just need something for hazard removal in that spot

lol

[gritty heath]

espeon+bombirdier or uxie+avalugg hisui or snowslash

over brute bonnet+coal

[hexed hazel]

uxie+ avalugg could work

ima try that

https://pokepast.es/61adf943161a903e

this is working pretty well

[gritty heath]

i recommend using the havalugg sample set

also im p sure mountain gale does more than strong jaw ice fang

[hexed hazel]

just like 3 BP more

and i dont like that 85 accuracy

[hexed hazel]

?

[gritty heath]

havalugg=hisuian avalugg

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/avalugg-hisui/pu/

ik the set says lead but it doesnt have to be used as a dedicated lead

and can go recover>sr

[night heath]

Haven't done comp Pokémon in years, so I would like a second opinion on this team I put together going off of Smogon rating pages
https://pokepast.es/ac6d75ba6b66e696

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[night heath]

Though keep in mind, Golurk is non negotiable
He is the entire reason I am playing this format

[gritty heath]

golurk is decent, so not like ud need to replace him

id say the main problem with the team is lack of haard removal

[night heath]

I figured, I am just saying in case I need to restructure the team entirely

[gritty heath]

or hazard setters

[night heath]

Ah

Well Golurk can do that but I enjoy using his Choice Band set

He has very good coverage

Any suggestions on another Pokémon I could use?

I have thought about Coalossal but I am getting great use out of Salazzle

[gritty heath]

this looks like a very offensive team so maybe tatsugiri>goodra

[night heath]

Ah

Which color?

If it matters at all

[gritty heath]

it doesnt in singles

just up to preference

i like stretchy

[night heath]

Alright

Thank you so much

[gritty heath]

as for hazard setter, maybe bombirdier over grimmsnarl?

[night heath]

Well I do love using Grimmsnarl as my lead

But if I must, I suppose I can switch him out

[gritty heath]

hmmmm

[night heath]

What are you thinking about?

[gritty heath]

maybe something like uxie>dudusparce for sr?

or hisuian avalugg

[night heath]

Oh yeah that sounds great

Dudunsparce is a nice neutral pivot but Hariyama kind of fills the same role but with physical stats

So I can totally work with that

Goshdarn it

Showdown keeps resetting my team edits

Guess I'll make the changes when I get off of work

I think I'll go with Avalugg

Simply because I dont have any real flying coverage

And that works better with Hariyama

Oh wait nvm I do

I have a fire type

But I am still going with Avalugg

[night heath]

Maybe Avalugg was a mistake

[gritty heath]

what went wrong?

aaand that was sent over 6 hours ago

[night heath]

I am having a lot of trouble using Avalugg without him instantly exploding

His speed is so bad and the type matchup is not so great

[gritty heath]

what set are u using?

[night heath]

The suggested Lead set they give you on the import screen

I believe its on his smogon analysis

[gritty heath]

ah, i recommend recover>rapid spin on it

since u already have spin if u have tatsugiri

[night heath]

That is true

[gritty heath]

its not used as a dedicated lead these days

its a p outdated set but still works

[night heath]

Oh so thats good to hear, because despite the set name I've still been using Grimmsnarl as my lead

I love me Grimmsnarl

Speaking of, it was very annoying trying to get sample teams to test out the format, and then half of the Pokémon listed on the sample team forum aren't in the tier anymore

Very silly

And I digress immensely

[gritty heath]

u wanna look at the first post on that thread, thats where ull find the approved/up to date teams

might also find some on the last page if u wanna stretch it

otherwise they are just submissions for sample teams from as far as 2023, not official sample teams

[night heath]

Good to know

[night heath]

@gritty heath btw I was just thinking, I dont really know enough about the tier to come to my own conclusion, what niche does Avalugg fill that the other Stealth Rockers in the tier don't?

If you dont mind me prying

Is it the fact it has Sturdy?

[weak ice]

https://pokepast.es/0ca53cdebbfd42ca Team meant to mix up withh 2 different terrains and snow

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[gloomy hedge]

can i get some feedback on my PU sticky web team ? im new to teambuilding https://pokepast.es/506ce74de4d0c9ed

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[gritty heath]

if ur building around webs u generally want a hyper offensive team, aka no defensive stuff like milo and palo

also want a way to punish defoggers, like defiant passimian

[gloomy hedge]

so i should just replace both of them ?

or keep one ?

and what would be the set for passimian

there's only scarf sets

don't think it would make much sense for this team

[lean basin]

https://pokepast.es/effccd4cfcd2222f
Is this team good or nah

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[gritty heath]

thyphlosion and weezing are p outclassed, id say replace them

also the set that has trev ranked is cb, its niche is that natural cure lets it bypass milotic's scald burns

[lean basin]

Alright

[gritty heath]

also the lack of a dark type sucks, maybe skuntank>weezing

or salazzle over weezing actually

and then a dark type like bombirdier over typhlosion

[lean basin]

Yeah that works