#NU Rates

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alpine whale
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nah

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(yeah)

primal lantern
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primal lantern
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tried a specs sylv hazard stack w chandy as a blocker

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mid laddered w it

misty prairie
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Makes sense that this got to mid ladder it’s generally sturdy

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I do think it has a few things you can work on here though

primal lantern
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hm like what

misty prairie
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Namely I think that you’ll struggle into a few special mons here, especially without a steel

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Potentially a few fast mons can cause you issues as well

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Like cm raikou

primal lantern
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yeah that has been an issue my only answer has really been just screwing around w tail until smth happens

misty prairie
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Vaporeon as well just clicks scald

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Hmm

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I’m trying to think how to solve this without having to break it apart a bit

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I think the slots to mess around with here are the scream, the Avalugg, and the overqwil as the dark

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Also potentially considering a non scarf chandelure since it’s not such a good scarfer when every other scarfer outspeeds it

primal lantern
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that’s fair i just needed speed control and a ghost in the same slot

misty prairie
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Yeah I get it

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Chandelure is a pretty mediocre spin blocker though because you just lose to knock off from tsareena

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A lot of people are really liking houndstone rn with Klefki as the spiker

primal lantern
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noted

misty prairie
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Just for a quick fix into some things like the vaporeon mu, I’d recommend dropping Avalugg for a covert cloak defensive tsareena @primal lantern

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Truth is, avalugg is really bad atm because it doesn’t beat any of the main physical attackers in the tier (flamigo, scrafty, rhyperior, copper, etc)

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Tsareena has the benefit of being able to match up better into grounds, zong, and vap here

meager birch
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alpine whale
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have you even used the team before

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it’s gotta be a complete team you’ve tried before to post in here

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but the team looks like a solid offense, just some non standard sets

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scream tail and cincinno kinda work on a different beat than Vaporeon, better to use a scald absorber like breloom or toxicroak

meager birch
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but its only like 1000 elo stuff(i changed the paste)

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yeah ig i will switch cincinno

meager birch
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idk band grimm cuz like its stab is fine with coverage and 120 attack is usable thats why i want to use it and its not rlly that bad

meager birch
tardy zealot
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misty prairie
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You have a cringe bird on here ofc you can get wins

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I’m unsure on coalossal as a mon in general especially as a lead and I’m also unsure how I feel about all these fairy types

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Have you been struggling into copper

tardy zealot
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If it leads i fuck it over with wisp from coal

misty prairie
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for a lead, coal seems kind of meh i think you'd be better off preventing hazards and/or getting up hazards with some other sort of lead like cincinno, taunt lycanroc, taunt bombirdier, or even a taunt rocks infernape

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it's a pretty unexplored area of the builder because we dont really have any good leads

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cincinno offense is very popular instead of hazard leads for that reason

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something like this would come to mind for me @tardy zealot

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spread outspeeds barra at +1 and munki at +2 on the cringe bird

tardy zealot
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I see

misty prairie
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flygon is a great mon to go with diancie and oricorio because you're amazing at chipping zong

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tauros just felt right last LOL but can prob be trailblaze or something similar

tardy zealot
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Kk

misty prairie
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generally these sorts of HO structures are more consistent rn

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i like jet though so you have some more natural speed

gentle phoenix
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misty prairie
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Super solid start here but I think there are a bunch of clear issues that need to be dealt with

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  1. main one is no hazard control when your team is so rocks weak 2) a lack of a steel type for a balance/bo can cause issues here with how scarf munki weak this feels and 3) a lack of hazards of your own
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With that in mind I’d probably tell you to drop staraptor and make munkidori scarf to keep some speed control but just be aware that you lose your ghost resist by doing so

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I’d recommend Altaria for removal on this build as well

gentle phoenix
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i kinda wanted to build around the raptor :(

misty prairie
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Ah ok then ignore that LOL raptor is kinda bad but interesting to use

gentle phoenix
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i mean im down to drop it that was just the original thjought

misty prairie
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Same comments apply though, if you’re going to do raptor like that I’d probably pair raptor + boots calm mind Chandelure instead to not be too hazard weak

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And then add rocks, a steel, and removal from there

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To not stack flying types you can probably do tsareena

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Defensive is the set to run

alpine whale
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raptor is fine but there’s only merit to choice band imo

plush lava
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plush lava
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Its stall

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Im pretty low ladder but thought the team had some potential

alpine whale
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lack of speed control is a bit concerning, and Spikes + Defog is a bit redundant. Did you want to keep a Spike-stack structure or were you just going for a vaporeon balance

plush lava
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I mean its stall

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Not a Lot of stall mons

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Defog def is counterintuitive to spikes I just didnt know what I could use as a spinner

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Is amoongus in/below nu?

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Saw people were running vileplume over amoongus im assuming for strengthsap and leech seed but I can see amoongus on thw team

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I could run avalug for spin but I dont know where I would slot it

alpine whale
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Amoonguss is in PU yes

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team just has no anti-setup anything

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like cm articuno-galar just auto wins vs you

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stall needs a lot of phasing and some bulky wincon

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not really practical to build stall rn imo

mellow surge
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at a minimum i think you need cloak + roar on vapo here

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can also replace orthworm for bronzong maybe and run a setup set so that you 1) get rid of the antisynergy like stories mentioned between spikes + defog and 2) have a more clearly targeted winpath

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bulk up resttalk on incin is also an option for that as a general stall idea

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i'd also still do roost > rest on altaria just cuz you dont wanna cede more free turns than necessary with stall

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hound > palo and then shifting stealth rock to your steel-type is also an option

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houndstone is just generally a better spinblocker option because it's not tera reliant to avoid losing to tsareena

plush lava
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Why cloak (im assuming covert) on vaporeon?

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Would I go leftovers+painsplit or restalk?

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On houndstone

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And I also understand stall isnt the best rn I think slowbro and chansey were in nu at some time but clearly they arent right now

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Is cloak for munkidori

misty prairie
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Munki obviously and psy noise from bronzong stopping healing

plush lava
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Ohhh

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Psynoise makes a lot of sense

misty prairie
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As for houndstone, I recommend rest talk

plush lava
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Rest talk helmet?

misty prairie
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Like stories said though, stall is kind of weird right now

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Probably boots

plush lava
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Yea i can see why stall is weird

delicate otter
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I'm trying to create a rain team with tornadus

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But just want some advice

alpine whale
delicate otter
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Alright thanks

astral rivet
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alpine whale
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Lately people have been using offensive Houndstone with Weakness Policy, this lets it take advantage of Tsareena and become really scary without forfeiting momentum like the defensive sets often can

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Did you want this to be a dedicated Spikes offense or did you have something else in mind?

astral rivet
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this was doing decently

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alpine whale
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Defog punishers like Articuno-Galar + Houndstone are pretty common together yeah

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you can also lure them pretty easily, stuff like Stone Edge Infernape lures Cramorant and Altaria

astral rivet
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there's no sample set

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this was my best guess
Houndstone @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Fluffy
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Poltergeist
  • Play Rough
  • Shadow Sneak
  • Will-O-Wisp
alpine whale
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but they do run some speed

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usually 220 for Incineroar

astral rivet
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if I wanted a more efficient trap remover, who would be a good replacement?

alpine whale
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oh I meant 220 speed like

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total

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not 220 EVs, sorry

astral rivet
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oh

astral rivet
alpine whale
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can rearrange some of the roles on the team, too. Specs Toxtricity is pretty unideal because the moves it locks into all have immunities

charred mason
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Medicham is supposed to have Life Orb, but this is it. Ik it's bad, it is a gimmick team, but I would like to know if it has any redeeming qualities, or if it's even workable.

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mellow surge
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honest answer is no this team has no redeemable qualities

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all the sets are quite meme-y and the only viable Pokemon on this team is Scream Tail

little hemlock
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misty prairie
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for example, ribombee outclasses galvantula in every single way and then some

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kinda hard to fully give input here because there's a lot of work to be done BUT here's an example from a ssnl semis game of mine against lucas that shows a similar webs HO

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HO and webs HO with ribombee are great right now

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two examples of how strong ribombee can be for these teams, one with quiver dance and the other with scarf

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i'd highly recommend moving away from infernape as well, it's not good at all

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and cincinno + webs is weird synergy (cincinno should be loaded dice as well)

ionic frigate
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ionic frigate
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Any improvements I can make?

misty prairie
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For one, I’d recommend that you mess with sylveon / cincinno / froslass a little bit

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Sylv isn’t so great on these teams, or in general tbh, and specs wouldn’t be my set of choice so that’s a spot to change but

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The bigger thing is that froslass and cincinno have a weird bit of anti synergy with the hazard stack and tidy up combo

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I’d recommend picking if you want to go the hazard lead route or a cincinno version (and I’d make the rat loaded dice technician generally as well but I depends on the set)

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A bigger thing here defensively is you’ll struggle into opposing scarf munki really hard

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I’d recommend fitting a dark type (I love brute bonnet on these teams) over something here for sure

misty prairie
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In general, I’d say most offenses are currently avoiding traditional leads and using duraludon as the rocker/utility mon

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With eviolite it has great bulk and makes its self a strong threat for the offenses

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There’s a ton of options in NU but this is the past I’d go with

delicate galleon
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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 200 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Scald
  • Rest
  • Sleep Talk
  • Acid Armor

Altaria @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Defog
  • Roost
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Hurricane

Heracross @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Facade
  • Close Combat
  • Stone Edge
  • Tera Blast

Beartic @ Choice Band
Ability: Slush Rush
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Icicle Crash
  • Low Kick
  • Liquidation
  • Superpower

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Timid Nature

  • Wood Hammer
  • Chilling Water
  • Blizzard
  • Leech Seed

Cinccino @ Life Orb
Ability: Skill Link
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Rock Blast
  • Triple Axel
  • Tail Slap
  • Trailblaze
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needs help rating my hail team

mellow surge
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this is more of a semihail and idt it achieves that

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you wanna push for hard offense imo and the alt/vapo will kill your momentum

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plus a lot of these sets need fixing and i would highly recommend checking the nu dex for some standard sets

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ie tidy up cinccino

misty prairie
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It’s a much better mon

delicate galleon
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ye thanks

empty gulch
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misty prairie
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For one, tenta is really bad in the meta game, essentially not viable, although I get why you put it there

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Issue is that tenta isn’t really a real fighting or water resist when the main attackers with both are physical

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As it stands, you’re forced to Tera every time you face a fighting type while praying it’s not a cb tauros or basc clicking a water move

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I’d rework this so you aren’t stuck with tenta last, probably going for a scarf munkidori + dd flygon and dropping raikou

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Cb raptor pairs well with both who want steels chipped

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Doing that should help free you up a tiny bit, but you’ll need a second fight resist and a sturdier water resist still

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Other thing to be aware of is the dd flygon mu too which isn’t fun for you currently

mellow surge
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helmet tsar > tenta bing bong

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also a general note is that if you have a scarfgon you probably went wrong somewhere

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he is acceptable role comp but i've never felt him to be very good at much other than pivoting and looking threatening at preview because of the potential that he is a different set

snow escarp
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mellow surge
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@misty prairie

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first team looks pretty standard

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lil slow tho and im unsure if av rajah by itself is enough for breaking

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second one i just dont think rly plays like you want voltturn to despite having plenty of pivoting

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and the vapo is gonna kill your momentum

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personally i like tflame + stealth rock staka for my utility core on voltturn stuff because they compress a ton together

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doesnt have to be defog talon if you wanna run say a defog rotommow on the build

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but yea the main issue imo with that build is just you have nothing to make use of the pivoting (like the build is literally just Momentum Or Die) and you have one EXTREMELY BAD momentum sink

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also tbh you should always have an sd groundvally on voltturn

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that mon is way too free to fit

misty prairie
misty prairie
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@snow escarp gonna go through this stuff one team at a time

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Regarding team 1:

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It looks to be an edit of an old team of mine that was made a sample team with arcanine>talonflame which is interesting, but it’s missing out on a few things to be up to date in the current meta

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Primarily that it’s super slow and a bit passive, so you have a bit of an uncomfortable matchup into any Pokémon that can be threatening and fast (specifically g vally)

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Also a bit annoying into the vap abusers of plume and eggy a

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Arcanine is a cool pick here though and semi underrated, but I’d probably tell you to not use something like this in the current meta, but I can pass updated versions of similar builds shortly; it’s a bit hard to “fix” team 1 as it’s solid and to do so would be to change structures a lot/invite other issues

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Regarding team 2:

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This one has a ton of issues and seems to come from a super old meta

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Ignoring suboptimal sets like wisp>toxic on arcanine or figy berry mudsdale for a moment, this team just lacks a lot of the things that a team needs in current nu to be successful

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Main things to keep in mind here are: 1) a steel type is almost always mandatory as they’re both amazing defensively and even offensively 2) when using vaporeon, you need consistent ways to deal with eggy a and toxicroak and right now you have no way really threaten or take a hit from eggy a 3) ways to deal with fat setup Pokémon because as it stands scrafty and snorlax will 6-0 you off of lead and 4) ways to deal offensive pressure especially to the wish Pokémon

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As it stands, team 2 has a lot of major structural issues and it kind of needs to be redone from scratch imo

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Speed tiers are weird too

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I can help you out with that a bit more but I’d recommend starting over on that one

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A lot of yapping but lmk if you have questions

snow escarp
misty prairie
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Yeah I can help with ss teams for sure

misty prairie
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a few other things to keep in mind as well, but as long as you’re able to consistently deal with the wish Pokémon, have a steel type, have offensive pressure, and know the lines into fat set up you should be ok

snow escarp
misty prairie
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If you want to talk more about ss nu in general I recommend joining the nu discord

snow escarp
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I didnt find the nu discord

solid holly
strange schooner
solid holly
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Ok

wide shale
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misty prairie
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I think that ss nu stall needs certain characteristics to work and it’s kinda weird

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You should consider niche mons like articuno and audino

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I think stall needs quagsire as well

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A lot of the set up breakers like g vally and croak run through this otherwise

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A good example is the stories stall team currently linked as a sample

wide shale
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I changed a little

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Sableye deals with setup Pokémon as well

misty prairie
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I think you’re taking a step in the wrong direction here to make it a viable stall

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Stall is weird to build

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It needs certain wincons and niche mons to make things really work with a focus on longevity

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Highly recommend taking inspiration from the stories team to see what I mean

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Also defog mantine is really bad

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Essentially unviable imo because you really need toxic + stabs

wide shale
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You know, I would use this team here, which is a sample, but I couldn't get it to work against rotom-mow. Do you have any tips?

misty prairie
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Which team

wide shale
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misty prairie
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I’d change a lot of things here but yes np or just trick mow eat this up

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Any reason you specifically want to use sableye

wide shale
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The only reason is that I really like him and I saw that he's viable in this tier

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But I would take him out if it would make the team better

misty prairie
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He’s not really viable, maybe we have him at C tier? But I think that’ll change in the next vr update

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It’s a little too frail

wide shale
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quiet hull
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quiet hull
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guys, can anyone help me rate/improve this team? the original idea is to make this a balance/bulky offense? team

here's a replay on generally how the team works

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it's not against any high level opponent but generally the way the team works is by gaining momentum through switching and punishing the incoming enemies with attacks or status

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its based on this team

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but dudunsparce i have a hard time using cuz its not fast enough and enemies tend to avoid setting off its rattled ability.

Bastiodon i find to be rlly frail due to the typing, and a lot of the time the best it can do is set up stealth rock and die, it doesnt have much offensive power either, it DOES work p ok as a wall against some mons but maybe im just not used to it

scrafty is neat with encore doing some work but it doesnt survive well. are there ways i can improve it?

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i honestly just want to make a team where goodra can work well in, but i find myself unable to play stall (im too passive) or spikestack (again, im too passive), here i can give more pressure with leech seed, toxic, etc, since the mons have enough bulk

granted, the weakness im facing is against rlly bursty poekmon like toxtricity, flygon, etc

quiet hull
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some new replays with updated team

quiet hull
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is this team too passive by any chance?

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quiet hull
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I've also changed flygon to be more of a dd sweeper

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Bur still not sure which is better

mellow surge
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and rn your spikes basically serves as your breaking and that's kinda bleh

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team is also just exceedingly slow with only twave keys to remedy that

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maybe it's scarf migo > goodra

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but then no knock on the team to help remove boots for your spikes so idk

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basically the build is just in this weird spot of trying to be bulky and play it slow but then there's a dd flygon with minimal support

tough junco
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misty prairie
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There’s a lot here that needs to be changed for it to be a nu team

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For one, mega altaria isn’t in nu or even sv

tough junco
misty prairie
# tough junco Just that?

No, you’ll want to change a few sets and Pokémon but it’s hard to say what exactly since a lot seems to be missing here

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What’s your main idea here?

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Let’s start with that

tough junco
misty prairie
proven parcel
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Little off topic but I’d love to ask, do you do youtube? I feel as if you’d be very interesting to watch
like Pinkacross

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