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alpine whale
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this kinda set you just hope it automatically wins with no work put in

old lance
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translate

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luck?

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oh btw

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with xatu, yt a salazzle would have a better winco than silva?

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or same shit?

old lance
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btw

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why uxie & xatu and not mesprit?

alpine whale
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Uxie has better bulk to leverage stored power and is faster

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Xatu is also faster and has Magic Bounce

old lance
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gotcha

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@alpine whale

alpine whale
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yeah that works

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those Pokemon aren't really comparable though

old lance
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could you explain?

alpine whale
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uh

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they do different things

old lance
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but both are sweepers and benefits from the team? no? lets do better

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forget all that

alpine whale
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sure they both work there

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also really sorry for that

alpine whale
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hm? ur good lol

old lance
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wym?

alpine whale
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idk why you said sorry

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I still think you should have Stealth Rock here

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something like OTR Stakataka would be cool

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even just having Spikes on Pinc would help a lot

old lance
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sylv would be better there?

alpine whale
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pretty generic but yea i think sylveon is better here

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u have no fight resist

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alpine whale
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scarf Passimian can nearly 2HKO you

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if you take even a little chip

old lance
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sylveon it is

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nvm lets row to the other side
would vilo be better in quags place?

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or should i take an more ofensive resp? like araq or talon?

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ngl i really wanna use vaps xD

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alpine whale
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quag -> plume and talon -> lazzle works

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alpine whale
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looks ok

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well

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u got no rocks

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aw shit

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ah fck it i gonna rebuild the team

alpine whale
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sylveon > vapo, muds > silv g, fast breaker > plume

mellow surge
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would probably do something like lazzle as the fast breaker

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helps plume mu

tropic monolith
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a

tardy zealot
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mellow surge
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not rly a fan of this style ho rn

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but this def isnt maximizing lead froslass enuff

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screamer + cetitan aint enough late-game threat and imo scarf garticuno is strictly much worse than competitive kilowattrel

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also worth noting though that nu has no relevant defoggers atm anyway

tardy zealot
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fair

mellow surge
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so spinblock is far more imperative to deter hazard removal

mellow surge
tardy zealot
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i see

mellow surge
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I’d rec trailblaze on hera here btw if you wanna keep him

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otherwise he’s hard to justify over water tauros

tardy zealot
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oki

mellow surge
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bulk up scream is a cool idea, tho i think cm is better if you're gonna go an offensive ev spread

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otherwise i'd just make it spdef and do wish > encore

tardy zealot
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i see

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also garticuno was more to hit intim users

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instead of defog

mellow surge
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Ability: Protosynthesis  
Tera Type: Normal  
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Calm Mind  
- Boomburst  
- Psychic Noise  
- Fire Blast```
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this guy is good tho

mellow surge
tardy zealot
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fair

mellow surge
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  • the only scarfers i'd bother with on this type of offense are like
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basc and chandy

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both can spinblock + provide some nice utility (legion has pivoting, chandy has trick/memento)

tardy zealot
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oki

mellow surge
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oh and tentacruel is like

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super ass here to be blunt with you xd

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you dont want a passive guy like him on offense

tardy zealot
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ok

mellow surge
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something like this prob can work

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avalanche + dbond has funny synergy

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cuz avalance has negative prio

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so you use dbond then avalanche and essentially it lets you perma threaten the self ko

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tect kilo w/ tera fairy is very good at messing with flygons

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tera water scream imo is just better defensively than dark

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and w/ incin on this alternative team you dont need the dark tera on it for ghost resistance either

tardy zealot
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ok

mellow surge
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and generally i think the offensive synergy of like wauros + incin + flygon is quite good

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their checks overlap a good amount so you should be able to force dmg onto them with one or two of the guys

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then win with whatever is last if it works out

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it's not that simple obv but there's lines you can plan at team preview for sure

primal fern
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primal fern
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lapras is for countering rain teams mainly, freeze dry ohkos kingdra and ludicolo, psychic noise ohkos toxicroak, and stops vileplume from using giga drain and strength sap though i really wish that it blocked leech seed and lasted 3 turns instead of 2

alpine whale
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this team really just has no cohesion or gameplan to me. Lapras can’t even switch in to the Pokemon you cited (as cool as Lapras is) and I would implore you to drop it unless it absolutely must stay on the team. You have no hazard control at all; ways to set stealth rock or remove them, and you lack resistances to common attacks

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honestly I would just use a sample team, if none of them suit you I can give you one of my own teams if you’d like

primal fern
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i don't really like sample teams i usually just play and change things around as a notice problems but thanks for the feedback

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bellibolt is honestly just there because he's my guy

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and funny enough i haven't gotten to use lapras against a rain team because the moment i added her i stopped getting paired against rain teams

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the only freeze-dry users are zu mons unfort

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articuno really lost defog

alpine whale
primal fern
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i actually didn't even notice the ground weakness lmao

alpine whale
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yeah if i was a flygon i would be rubbing my hands together and licking my lips upon seeing your team

primal fern
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honestly i've been doing fine against flygons bc of inteleon but it's low ladder

alpine whale
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the choice scarf chandelure is cool but you really want a scarfer more resilient to hazards (flygon or mienshao) unless you have hazard removal

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as a small list im making up on the fly rn, any balanced team should have:

  • steel type (or some way to compensate for a lack of one)
  • volt switch immunity
  • stealth rock and ideally hazard removal
  • speed control (choice scarf user and / or priority users)
  • options and responses for any kind of attack
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finding ways to compress multiple of these (without overwhelming whatever is doing it) is the best way to build and is part of why Bronzong is so damn good

primal fern
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bronzong will get rapid spin next gen trust

alpine whale
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and heal bell

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it’s literally a bell

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but anyway lol if you were looking to recreate the team is there anything you wanted to keep for sure? the lapras or bellibolt maybe?

primal fern
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bellibolt has been really good for me

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if it learned like, icy wind even then it would be way better but as is i think it's fine

alpine whale
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yeah that’d be a good midground for it

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it kinda has to stick with muddy water

primal fern
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muddy water is pretty funny though

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actually i could give it chilling water

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but it can already take like any neutral physical move it needs to

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this was earlier

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that healed it back up to like 63% or 73% hp

alpine whale
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funnily enough it usually used Static and just throws itself into oncoming traffic to paralyze stuff for its teammates

primal fern
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charge beam is one of my favorite moves

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i kinda wish it was just a special version of power up punch sometimes but also that would take away so much of its charm

alpine whale
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i think the electromorphosis sets are a bit exploitable if you know how to play around them

alpine whale
thick reefBOT
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Mystical Power (Gen 9)

Has a 100% chance to raise the user's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

90

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags
  • Blocked by protection moves.
  • Can be copied by Mirror Move.
  • Can be selected by Metronome.
primal fern
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i mean make it like 40 power, 100% acc, 100% spatk boost chance

alpine whale
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ah yea

primal fern
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it would be so awesome

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it would be so cool

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in pu i had a team that was similar, but i used a special attacking minior with shell smash power herb meteor beam

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it was very funny

alpine whale
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Minior is cool yea, kinda exclusive to hyper offense tho

primal fern
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mhm and they basically designed it with exactly one set in mind because what do you mean it literally only has acrobatics for flying stab

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it doesn't even have aerial ace or air slash like really?

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it's still probably my favorite pokemon

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but anyway

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specially defensive bronzong with leftovers
stealth rock, ironpress, and psychic
how's that?

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maybe tera dark for prankster?

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know it usually is water or fairy

alpine whale
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tera water and fairy are just better typings, not really any prankster mons in the tier ngl

primal fern
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fair

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i ran into a few but i was still able to get past them so it's not like i need another thing to counter them

alpine whale
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yea zong is just here for the utility anyway

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I would also try Tsareena here as a secondary response to ground and a rapid spinner

primal fern
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i actually have a regional bronzong in my fangame that's steel/fire and keeps levitate

primal fern
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have you noticed how steenee's bst is 290 and when it evolves it just suddenly goes up to 510

alpine whale
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what stomp does to a mf

primal fern
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it's the same with kirlia to gardevoir

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kirlia has 278, garde has 518

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bst nearly doubles

alpine whale
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i think you might wanna try overqwil > incineroar on here too

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gives you spikes for whichever offensive guy you pick and checks opposing qwilson who is kinda a big deal rn

primal fern
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oh damn overqwil doesn't get flip turn

primal fern
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then i'll look at tsareena/overqwil

alpine whale
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kk

primal fern
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they set up trick room and only had one pokemon slower than bronzong and it was copperajah

primal fern
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maybe hitmontop instead of tsareena to replace incineroar? it doesn't resist ground but it does have intimidate and rapid spin

alpine whale
primal fern
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damn

primal fern
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claydol would be kinda sick here if it was in sv

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levitate, stealth rock, rapid spin, electric immunity

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similar bulk to bronzong

alpine whale
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kinda yea but it gets overwhelmed doing all that in one role

primal fern
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so i'm looking at assault vest tsareena rn

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rapid spin, u-turn, triple axel and power whip

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jolly with 188 speed outspeeds inteleon after spin

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or two ig if webs are up

alpine whale
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I think you really want Synthesis on Tsareena to spin multiple times

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at the very least Heavy-Duty Boots

primal fern
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trying out hisuian braviary

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for a defog user

primal fern
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imagine a world where galarian articuno got tinted lens instead of hisuian braviary

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so it could be good

alpine whale
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gcuno is pretty good

primal fern
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it just has zero coverage

mellow surge
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gcuno is a lot better than hbrav rn i'd wager

primal fern
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braviary-h is pu, articuno-g is zubl

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i don't think there's really anything it does that braviary-h can't

mellow surge
alpine whale
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cuno has a better speed tier and slightly better bulk

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so it's better as a calm mind sweeper or pivot

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which is all it's good for anyway

primal fern
# mellow surge this means nothing

braviary-h has a better ability, has heat wave and vacuum so it can actually hit steel types without tinted lens, defog, and it has all the moves that articuno-g has at least the ones that matter
the only move garticuno has that isn't resisted by steel is shadow ball

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actually articuno-g has screens

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braviary doesn't

alpine whale
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the stats are more important but the two Pokemon do different things

primal fern
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true

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oh garticuno also has stored power

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garticuno might be better in doubles since there's more intimidate going around

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but its coverage is still just really sad

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give my man focus blast at least

mellow surge
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possibly more than doubles

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or as many

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ok yea looking at dou's vr, nu has twice as many intimidate mons.

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but all of what you're saying about the two mons doesn't rly tell the picture

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like stories said the key difference is the two just don't perform the same roles

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brav is much more of a generic wallbreaker

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garticuno is what i'd label as a "meta call" if anything because competitive has a ton of value atm with wauros/incin/overqwil/fauros all being present in the tier

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and you've got future sight + u-turn being a p decent enabler of physical wallbreakers like flygon/mienshao/wauros, whereas cm sets with tera are pretty solid too

vagrant obsidian
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mellow surge
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team is rly weak without boosting

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i’d look at doing lorb shao and considering setup mons with the +2 boosting moves like p-z

sudden pawn
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Idk I feel like galvantula is weird into krilowatt + flygon rn , probably does ok vs mirror cheese but maybe consider something like iron thorns. sd incineroar is really good rn and chandelure invites that Pokemon. Mcmeghan brought a offense team featuring iron thorns here: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nu-790770 iron thorns in this case is helping cresselia deal with iron thorns but also provides stealth rocks / spikes value for the team. If you do keep the current setup I’d aim for “win conditions” and maybe potential items to give you an advantage during your gameplay. But yeah mainly the mienshao because you just want to do pure damage

[Gen 9] NU: McMeghan vs. eternally - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

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alpine whale
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girl said krilowatt

sudden pawn
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😂😂

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Ermmm let me get my NU Discord Team Rater points in peace ma’am 🧹

quasi canopy
alpine whale
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the pacing of this team is all over the place

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you have HO stuff like Klefki but also a weird Gligar set and Swampert so you kinda forfeit any momentum you would have generated

quasi canopy
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it mostly just phases and knocks until hazards wear out enough for kill and incin to win

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my biggest worry is there is something defensive I cant phase enough and the lack of recovery on the team

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but if I run like roar vape I have to find another knock ect ect

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oh and I have no boost lol. No boost, no recovery

sudden pawn
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Gligar looks like copium for flygon

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I think that recycling red card is also a little eh too all 3 of our flying resists kinda just fold to triple axel mienshao I think looking into intimidate users like Incineroar or Overqwil makes great teammates in general to kinda dismantle flygon a little. Even Tauros is a good option. Right now I’d say the community is talking about flygon dragon dance and with cresselia leaving it causes fire punch to be a lot better since u poke at bronzong. When making sets against the meta you want to make sure u still have a standard matchup into most things. For example krilowattrel is running choice scarf. But usually it runs hdb fast U-turn pivot but sometimes it can be a little shackey into scarf flygon / mienshao + toxtricity comps because specs boom burst. I get the scarf but scarf makes krilowatt so specific of a set that it’s kinda really risky and a fish usually - I’d say this is a cute lure on certain comps but looking for a consistent speed control option on your team is good. This team has a twave klefki + scarf kilo + Mach infernape. I think maybe mienshao over kilo. Drop the infernape for like a dark type like incineroar or sd overqwil , I think if you do sd over qwil you can run like

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Air balloon klefki and zs ran a cute like pickpocket set I think you force value on like sd incineroar and remove boots to guaranteed process or just snatching anything I think prankster twave is good though but

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Red card feels like something that belongs on like fast ho like

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You have klefki zoroark dd flygon oricorio and friends

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Like this play style requires the need of red card because flimsy mons appreciate the value of you just taking the attack for a play style with more of a flimsier backbone compared to this with swampert gligar

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Oh and I think decidueye is probably really good rn too

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Idk I dislike bramble feels very exploitable I always use weird sets like helmet, Tera ground blast, etc …hate that mon man

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But yeah good luck hopefully this helps

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Magician Klefki * not pickpocket or whatever I said here is the replay

quasi canopy
# sudden pawn I think that recycling red card is also a little eh too all 3 of our flying resi...

Thanks Roxie nn Very helpful!

I think the only reason I thought was good was bc I kept winning in tour room against 4-5 ho teams lol (which as an aside if you ever wanna easy mu against ho in this tier run scarf kilo).

bramble sucks 100%!

Magician klef is cool tech tbh. The other option is tox-orb switch with which reminds me of the old sets when it knew toxic. I used with roarcune like 500 years ago in bw and now am delulu convinced curse swamp works as a similar setup.

dark adder
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mellow surge
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i'd just max out shao's atk tho unless the 8 hp evs do something

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i'd also prob change bramble's set a bit

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i think you do rly want recovery on it

dark adder
sudden pawn
# dark adder https://pokepast.es/2cc1dc339b2d2fa3 thought I should tech on shadow ball, and i...

Hey mainly the bramble sustain seems really cool because it’s your eq resist for dd flygon sets and u Tera fairy and what if u need to strength sap it considering the role Brambleghast has its spinning and setting spikes and expecting to check flygon throughout the match usually for choice flygon sets u probably scout them one time but regardless or maybe - when I think on this on paper you say shadow ball is meant for slowbro you can spread the roles of spikes by change muk-a to spikes qwilfish - brambleghast can be a little awkward into Tsareena on paper u usually have to go muk but I think your opponent trading / sacrificing their tsareena for flygon to kick spikes off makes sense over relying on

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Brambleghast to solely perform all of these roles

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That way u still utilize just an offensive utility to spin and sap and put out damage since u don’t have any bulk

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I’ve been testing a krilowatt set similar to what thundurus runs in ORAS OU, if you drop muk and ur scared and losing all of your 50/50s (we have a ghost type for boom but ofc Tera exists), volt switch hurricane Tera ground blast roost can lure toxtricity but its just optional of this is a overqwil vision

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Hope this helps !

dark adder
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I noticed that I really struggle into fire, so I was thinking of dropping bramble for Milotic and going boots on A-muk

sudden pawn
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Yeah tauros paldea owns

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Brambleghast isn’t a glue at all yeah u can drop

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But I think like some sort of setup is what I go for like a win condition

dark adder
sudden pawn
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I just kinda compare builds to see cb flygon is owned by tect users so I like having like

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Another presence that can switch moves maybe

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lol with muk?

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Chandelure is good it’s a fire type forces trades and makes the game progress

dark adder
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Muk I feel like is my defensive backbone I think I need him

sudden pawn
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People usually go incineroar as backbone for him

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Tbh muk is a momentum since for spikes imo

dark adder
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maybe I should go qwilliam

sudden pawn
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I think bramble incineroar is nice momentum

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Qwilliam is broken

alpine whale
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qwilson is bad

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he was supposed to be broken then we realized it loses to everything

sudden pawn
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Sd gunk shot + cool Tera u do like a BILLIONN

alpine whale
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and has bad bulk

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oh offensive sets are cool

sudden pawn
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U run like

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Fat sets

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I run*

alpine whale
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the utility sets are really bad

sudden pawn
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They are

dark adder
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I need some defensive backbone for sure

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I’m using muk but I feel like that slot has better options

sudden pawn
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Id make sure to account for wish too

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In prep

alpine whale
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what issue are you having with the team atm?

dark adder
alpine whale
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it doesn't have enough longevity to pull that off

dark adder
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Maybe with Milo instead of bramble it’s less of an issue

alpine whale
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incin > muk like roxie said sounds ok

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can also do scarf flygon and av mienshao

dark adder
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boots knock wisp u turn blitz?

mellow surge
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if you use the pivot set ya

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or pshot > uturn

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or tect > wisp

dark adder
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how often would incin get taunted? That’s why I’m hesitant about pshot

alpine whale
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the main concern is thudding into Diancie / clear amulet guys

mellow surge
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ya those r more relevant than taunt

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i'd say diancie isnt a huge concern anymore but ladder kinda adores it..

alpine whale
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she's fineeee

mellow surge
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agreed!

alpine whale
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fine as in viable not fine as in like

mellow surge
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but fsr she is still top 5 in usage

alpine whale
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ren-chon

mellow surge
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an important distinction sadly.

alpine whale
dark adder
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what does av shao run?

alpine whale
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same moves

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or do u mean EVs

mellow surge
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evs i think max hp max spe?

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idrk 💀

alpine whale
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there's plenty of speed benchmarks

dark adder
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same tera?

alpine whale
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i like electric to check kilo

dark adder
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on scarf flygon what moves?

alpine whale
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sample import is fine

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eq outrage uturn filler

dark adder
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I wanna tech dwb for tauros and mienshao lol

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is that a bad idea

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also hits breloom

alpine whale
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p sure dwb does less than a stab attack vs the first 2

dark adder
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superpower for cincinno if it’s sash is broken?

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that was another team type I had issues with

alpine whale
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superpower is OK bc it also hits tera steel flygon but the last slot is filler for a reason

dark adder
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next generation they decide to give flygon CC

alpine whale
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I wouldn't be shocked at this point

dark adder
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also should av mien be max speed?

alpine whale
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I would at least go to typh-h or flygon speed

dark adder
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one finally adjustment I made was competitive milo. just thought it would be nice to force an incin switch or tera on lead

sudden pawn
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We are so spamming av mienshao in nucllll

wheat crater
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wheat crater
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anyone who hangs out in this tier regularly willing to let me know what i can improve?

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seems to be doing ok. just wondering if i get destroyed by things. certain things with ice coverage is a problem for pretty obvious reasons

alpine whale
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what are you losing to

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if anything atm

wheat crater
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uh I just lost to a chandelure typhlosion revival blessing team

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I had to Tera rock on loom to take out 1 and then I had to do it 2 times more and didn't have the turns to do so

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not the biggest sample size yet and new account

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Everyone runs webs which seems ok actually. Team very unaffected by it

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I feel like a well played vaporeon w ice beam could be really obnoxious

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Psychic noise is pretty good though I like it to stop stuff like that

alpine whale
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yeah florges should fully beat any non haze vapo

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bigger issue would be haze

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i dont think bombirdier does much for you here

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i would rather see a proper scald switchin in that spot ngl

sudden pawn
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Hi

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Oh I’m late

wheat crater
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Is there a way i can tweak the team to keep it, or is the core solid and I should just drop it

wheat crater
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I'm trying AV Basculegion

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I might get worn down by hazards but I can support it w wish

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and it gives me cover for a lot

mellow surge
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i'd also do rocks bombird and maybe setup zong

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im not rly convinced by purely offensive bombird

wheat crater
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I dropped it for av mixed basculegion

digital raven
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alpine whale
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looks good, the sets themselves have room for improvement I think

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PZ probably wants Trick tbh

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4 attacks isn't necessary

digital raven
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true

alpine whale
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Flygon wants Fire Blast > U-turn if it already has Eject Pack

digital raven
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ohhh ok

alpine whale
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you want a scarfer, Munkidori gives you a Grounded Poison and baits in Steels

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but you kinda lack basic defensive core atm

digital raven
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yeah thats the thing i was like

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unsure about

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idk what to use as a defensive core though

alpine whale
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mostly bc your team is mostly like

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mons with fringe defensive utility

digital raven
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yeah

alpine whale
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Incin + Milotic or something of that nature works

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both pivot

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but you need better speed control with that

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prob Scarf Shao

digital raven
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alrighty!

alpine whale
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just makes you more vulnerable to Toxicroak

digital raven
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tysm

alpine whale
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yh

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lemme know how those changes work out

digital raven
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will do!

digital raven
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i am back again with a new team and i uhhhhh dont know what else to add lol
https://pokepast.es/1929f112adc54521
its supposed to be pretty defensive while also not being super passive

alpine whale
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so a team like this def wants removal

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you probably just go Scarf Flygon + a spinner here

digital raven
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alrighty!

mellow surge
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passive to lengths I didn't think possible

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i would be doing zong > regi so you aren't forced into removal because you'll just be too passive otherwise with no clear route to winning games other than pray you outlast

frank escarp
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alpine whale
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cool offense but lacks a couple necessary elements

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incineroar is kinda out of place too and you lack speed control

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will get back to this after class

frank escarp
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ight thanks

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incin was to counter ice

alpine whale
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not really any ice types in the tier

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spee control you probably want booster scream tail

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its like the best speed control for HO

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and pairs rlly well with cincinno bc they both weaken steels for each other

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u need a rocker

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prob over incin

fiery tree
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I am vindicated

frank escarp
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ok thanks

frank escarp
alpine whale
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cinc or turt

frank escarp
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ok

jovial nacelle
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keep in mind that i am new to competitive pokemon

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also i never won a single battle with this team

mellow surge
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mons-wise it's close to being a real team

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sets are v off tho

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also didnt assign tera types to most of your lads

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tbh i'd prob do incin > muk and tauros-paldea > croak

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i think they make the defensive cohesion better

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croak is prob ok to keep but you're forced to run eq on your incin for the mirror + play super proactively against it in general

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would def do stealth rock bronzong here too and just go whip / polter / spin / sap on bramble imo

alpine whale
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mostly what Rabia said with regards to a lot of the sets just not making sense, especially the last two slots

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if you really wanna keep that Bronzong set you could sneak Rocks on Flygon

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Get ninetales outta nu

upper hazel
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https://pokepast.es/1cbc48cc3c305ce3
i know sun is not really top notch anymore but i think theres still some success possible. The scream tail lead has worked great so far and i almost always have sun up, but the whole team seems to struggle vs annoying tanky stuff like Klefki or Diancie.
The other two things i struggle a bit with are finding the right tera types and perhaps fitting hazard control?

light lava
misty prairie
# ionic atlas https://pokepast.es/1cbc48cc3c305ce3 i know sun is not really top notch anymore...

hey! sorry for the late response, I missed the notification. I think sun is a really underrated in nu, although maybe in a weird spot because of the snowspam happening on the ladder. Ninetales dropping just makes the archetype way harder to use, but not impossible. I think to fix this, i'd recommend a few things, mostly set changes.

  1. klefki: make it heat rock and then steel beam>d gleam/t wave. Allows for more sun while still keeping momentum
  2. venusaur: make it growth>earth power and possibly another tera (maybe water in the current meta). Growth allows for proper sweeping and weather ball hits steels whereas ep misses on zong
  3. mess with the chandy/bonnet/scream tail slots: this team definitely needs a second setter, and tail is cool, but this is lacking some stuff that might really help. Hazard control wise, your best bet is using cincinno which is a massive help for these offenses. I'd also recommend a gligar since you also want a ground immune, rocker, volt immune, momentum, and another setter. Flygon works well here, but doesn't have sunny day like gligar. Last should probably be a fire resist of, possibly a snow answer as well in the current meta, which is hard to fill.
    here's a quick example i threw together, untested, but looks fun: https://pokepast.es/b085878d9e51562a
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other things could be going rocks flygon + uxie last, sunny day heat rock cincinno, and any other similar combination that allows for the rat as hazard control, a flygon/gligar as a ground and rocker, and then a filler last to cover weaknesses

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dragalge, fire tauros, arcanine, and more come to mind

mellow surge
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you can also do growth on scovillain instead of a specs set

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specs is def the easiest to run teams down with but scovillain's threat level is so high that you do just naturally get setup opportunities by forcing switches

misty prairie
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I think specs is best here

misty prairie
# light lava https://pokepast.es/7662fb16b5a56424 weaknesses may overlap but i hope stats an...

hey, so it's a bit late and cetitan is banned now...but that doesnt mean we cant do anything here with this. I think your main issue is that you need to decide with this team if you want it to be a veil offense or some sort of balance. Right now, you have a mixture of ho (veil e button tales + cm scream), fatter balances (registeel), and bulky offense mons (swampert). It's not to say that this stuff can't work together, but more that you might struggle without a team identity.

With that said, I really like this e button veil ninetales tech which I don't believe I've seen before yet and would fit perfectly on a hyper offense with scream tail. I'd start with Tales / Scream and probably add a Cincinno as a starting core. After that, go for mons that could fit and benefit from HO/Veil like Eviolite Scyther, Shift Gear Toxtricity, DD Flygon, or any other set up guy that can fit. I'd also recommend fire blast>flamethrower on Scream.

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if you want to go a more balanced approach, id start with avalugg + registeel and fill it out from there since that core is super malleable

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when it comes to swampert, I wouldn't recommend av as well and I think you'd have more success on other teams running it as a stealth rock pivot on BO teams

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so rocks / eq / knock / flip

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Swampert's best niche is letting you compress a lot of stuff a bulky offense might want (hazards, a volt immune, a pivot, general stats) into one pokemon and this set does that best in my experience

zinc condor
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well said by slice

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misty prairie
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Sadly we just banned cetitan a few days ago from NU and the ladder should update shortly

alpine whale
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yeah so sad

tardy zealot
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alpine whale
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this team just doesn't really take advantage of webs much

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Rhydon is probably better off with Fire Punch or Heat Crash > Crunch, but I would always use dual STAB first if you're doing double dance

mellow surge
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i would just do some generic setup spam ho instead of webs atp

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webs is dookie

torpid meadow
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sbdy have good team with inteleon for gen 8 NU?

mellow surge
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you can probably do drain punch > pain split on garbodor

misty prairie
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Gen 8 you say 👀

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The best nu gen

mellow surge
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GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

misty prairie
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angry because im right

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three teams ive used in nupl or sspl over the past few months

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im generall a fan of all of them despite me not liking inteleon much in ss nu

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if you get a good mu though it's a demon

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@mellow surge further proof i use more than 15 mons

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inteleon and weezing

mellow surge
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🗿

misty prairie
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gz to me

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wait no i used scrafty and xatu this week

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19 bellipog

mellow surge
misty prairie
brisk turtle
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hm tera electric melo seems off , i think melo gets value with like trick more or maybe tera ghost/fairy +shadow ball sets

brisk turtle
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im just messing around with sets

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I made three melo teams

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this is my gimicky one

sudden pawn
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infernape looks to be a ho lead set not really something gastro one

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well anyone here will tell you to revert from gimicky , there are some cool lures and stuff that works competitively tho

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do u have ur other teams

brisk turtle
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yeah hold on

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also im far from an nu player, i just like meloetta

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but i like watching it

brisk turtle
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I figured out how to work this team, it's low-key good.

alpine whale
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honestly i would just commit and use offensive tentacruel at that point

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dont wanna be a momentum sink on a team like this

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I wouldnt use webs at all tbh either

brisk turtle
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Webs helps a lot

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Modest specs chandelure is nasty with webs up

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Webs is actually really important

misty prairie
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I think what stories means is that webs just aren’t good in nu right now as an archetype

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The best pokemon in the tier that you’d want to force a speed drop on are either levitating (flygon) or run boots (the tauros forms and cincinno) so webs just don’t feel good

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That and cincinno offense is everywhere which stomps webs teams as well

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I think that something like this would work a lot of the time on low to mid ladder but when you get to higher levels it’s really going to struggle

alpine whale
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the Melo set is cool but you really want something to hit steels and i doubt custap is reliable

misty prairie
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^id run max speed max spa with probably focus blast although I bet you can get away with a bulkier sub cm set

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And probably not tera electric

brisk turtle
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and it does a lot of damage

untold garnet
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hi chat

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any suggestions for this team?

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i feel like its decent, serving me pretty well

mellow surge
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kinda just looks like 6 wallbreakers

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like im not sure what direction the team is supposed to take

brisk turtle
untold garnet
untold garnet
mellow surge
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it's more than just "my pokemon are offensive" ya feel

untold garnet
untold garnet
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i genuinely have no clue lol

mellow surge
# untold garnet so how is ho like?

it depends on the playstyle but common variations are weather offense, hazard lead into setup sweepers, nu specifically will drop the hazard lead and run cinccino with tidy up + 5 other threats

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sticky web technically exists too but it's pretty ass

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basically what you're going for is offensive mons with clear synergy

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ie they break down each others checks and you basically go "yeah one of these guys WILL win because my other guys WILL beat its defensive answers"

untold garnet
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not sure why i cant react to messages here

mellow surge
untold garnet
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thanks so much 🙂

mellow surge
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no problem fam

dark adder
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dark adder
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this team works I hit ~1350 I just have issues with a couple of matchups

sudden pawn
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What’s does specs amoonguss do Tera rock seems very specific and adding onto eq weakness

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Like is it just take a fire attack. Tbh I don’t even think u struggle with fires

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With a Milotic and flygon surely

dark adder
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made it worse cause of the grass weakness

sudden pawn
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It doesn’t it beat it when it just swaps out and regen it’s not consistent , I’d say for opposing zong or munk

dark adder
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I’ve faced Indeedee and really struggled should I swap flamigo for scrafty or something similar?

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At this pt where it’s like “shadow ball probably does this” I’d alternate with another alternative , milotic and rotom on paper checks zong.

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I’d drop specs amoongus for consistency vs basc and explore a different set maybe . What does superpower flygon hit

dark adder
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I’ve ran calcs for shadow ball cause I’ve ran it before; it beats glowbro, and can beat chandy if I tera water

sudden pawn
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Ik but like

dark adder
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often I do absorb knock with amoonguss so maybe I drop tera blast for foul play
the reason I’m running specs is because the calcs are really insane
so much damage

sudden pawn
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Ok on paper I’d have at least one consistent check to smthn excluding burning tera , ur right it’s good but I’d consider bulking ur milo more for chandy

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Send calcs

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Tera rock just seems off though

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S Rank

:flygon: Flygon

A Rank

A+

:Basculegion: Basculegion

dark adder
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I can make it tera water and go foul play over TB

252+ SpA Choice Specs Amoonguss Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kilowattrel: 271-321 (96.4 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Amoonguss Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chandelure: 142-168 (54.4 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

also guaranteed oneshot on flygon

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cause I’m mainly sludge bomb Giga drain or leaf storm

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Fp is better than tb

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It also oneshots espeon with leaf storm

untold garnet
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any thoughts of this team?

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ive been winning quite a few matches

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just reached 1300 elo and beat a top 30 player in nu with ts team asw

misty prairie
# untold garnet any thoughts of this team?

we talked about it a bunch in the nu discord earlier, but just to kind of summarize:

  1. webs? not really so good sadly and its probably worth using an offense with a hazard lead or cincinno lead in this current meta, cincinno especially if you want to use rock weak mons
  2. pick a team direction; if you want to go offense, you'll have better odds dropping pokemon like gastrodon which are very passive for more offensive and active mons like wetbull
  3. diancie should probably be special trick room m beam like we talked about
  4. id start with a core of lead cincinno / trick room diancie / scarf typh h / wet bull and go from there personally
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when building out the rest of an offense, you should think about what you want your real win cons to be, what they need gone to win, and how to chip/ko those checks

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so with typh h for example, you'll want to find a way to get rid of incineroar and take advantage of scarf flygon

untold garnet
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One thing to note, typhlosion h is cool, but usually seen as worse than chandy

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your best bet for sure with it is using it with cincinno

untold garnet
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There’s a lot to work through here I think which makes it non meta/a bit unviable I think

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What’s your main idea that you want to work with? @quasi charm

sudden pawn
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A few too many setups , missin some things like a rocker , and just a bunch of things

quasi charm
sudden pawn
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U could probably throw these unto multiple teams honestly but maybe the vapo since it’s mon1 haha lol

quasi charm
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lapras to get rid of counter to sweeper

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and slow the pace using wish vaporeon and altaria

misty prairie
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So no specific pokemon?

quasi charm
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i mean i like the vaporeon and goodra

misty prairie
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Ok cool

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I think for either mon to really work here this team will need a pretty sizeable overhaul because like Roxie said a lot of basic things for a team are missing here

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But we can tweak things there’s some really cool ideas here

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I’d rehaul this and change up a few things, starting with the vaporeon set

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Cm vaporeon is super underrated I think and kind of funny and people used it to great success in nucl and other tours

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It can dominate opposing vaporeon teams and catch counters off guard

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I think the best set though will be calm mind / scald / stored power / substitute with maybe tera poison or fairy and either a defensive spread with max def to help fat set up because you’re calm minding to boost the special or an offensive ev spread of sorts

quasi charm
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sub over acid armor?

misty prairie
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The other option is to use vaporeon more as a defensive piece and less as an all in wincon by doing calm mind scald wish protect tera poison which would give you flexibility to use it as a cm mon and as a wisher

misty prairie
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Sub gives you a lot of freedom to remove offensive pieces who might revenge you

quasi charm
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oh wait no wish at all

misty prairie
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Issue with combining wish with that set is that you really want wish + project

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You can make it work probably, but I think you’ll have better success going with one of those routes

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There’s just not great synergy there

quasi charm
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i guess its jsut a different vaporeon than what i was using not a full team sweeper 🤔

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although wouldnt u slot a different move over stored power since vaporeon survivability is so much lower

misty prairie
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If you’re going offensive, you’ll want to find a way to facilitate a vaporeon sweep by 1) giving it set up opportunities and removing checks and 2) building your team to fill the defensive niche of vaporeon a bit because this set doesn’t have the same longevity

misty prairie
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Either way, keep scald

misty prairie
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But if you can load into a fatter vaporeon balance team then you can do real damage

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It’s just a bit too slow and takes too long to get going

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Let me find examples of this set being used one sec

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Gotta grab my laptop

quasi charm
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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Calm Mind
  • Substitute
  • Scald
  • Alluring Voice

would this be the set

misty prairie
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this can work yeah

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i feel like theres a bunch of variation and idk whats best

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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA or more offensive or faster
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
Calm Mind
Substitute / Acid Armor
Scald
Alluring Voice / Stored Power

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is how im thinking about it

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let me find these replays though

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time to sift through nucl LOL brb

quasi charm
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what type of team would be around this vaporen set

misty prairie
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@quasi charm some examples from the most recent nu team tournament

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cm vaporeon was pretty rare but teams with it put up great numbers clearly

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a mixture of cm wish stuff and some cm stored power two attack things

quasi charm
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wwhoa those frist 2 very similar

misty prairie
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yeah they are a bit

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lttm and shengineer are good friends i bet they took inspiration from each other

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main takeaway there is that both built teams where the defensive profile of vaporeon (fat water type and water absorb who can eat hits) was important, but where the cleric utility of wish didnt matter so they could run calm mind

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that first game with shengineer you can see how much work max defensive put in

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that was crazy

misty prairie
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pokemon like goodra are cool, but spikes weak and a bit reliant on wish, and also not that great overall tbqh

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similar stories with most of the mons on your og team

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i wouldnt ever use lapras for example, at least not here, and id say a similar thing for this altaria set

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even this muk set

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and basc too

quasi charm
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hmm yeah basides lapras they really didnt have any synergy

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as a team

misty prairie
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check out the pastes of the two teams i sent above

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should have a lot of inspiration from those

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those teams all went for a combo of bulk, power, and speed which your team is missing

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they also used hazards to help break down vaporeon checks

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i can see certain hos really bothering these teams but i like the general style a lot

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id say with your team, do something similar and make sure the team isnt reliant on wish support like this current paste is

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add more viable mons, speed, and take into account meta threats

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the vr was recently updated which should help with that

quasi charm
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misty prairie
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like if you look at your current team, because it

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oops

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because it's slower and pokemon are easily chipped and lack recovery, your team as is is really reliant on wish giving health to the team

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for example with that muk set

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but if that muk set has heavy duty boots to avoid hazards and used rest talk, that's a different story

quasi charm
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🤔 ngl i dont think ive ever really though too much about wish for setting up other mons

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i just kept hazards off the floor with full utility altaria

misty prairie
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your team as is also needs to play a longer game against balance because you lack breaking power or hazards to chip teams so you really need wish in those matchups in order to get things going

quasi charm
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and let sweepers jsut stand alone and exploit good match ups (invidiual and teams)

misty prairie
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makes sense

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the thought is 1000% there and i can see how that works

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against better teams i think youll really struggl though

quasi charm
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im actually a bit surprised this has done well on low ladder because all those web ho teams and staraptor stuff kind of go crazy here i feel

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maybe you're the goat

quasi charm
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interesting

quasi charm
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pretty much only munkidori can check goodra

misty prairie
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depends on the set

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no one is really using idbp goodra rn

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or goodra in general tbh it got voted down the vr

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the main appeal for people is its access to knock off

quasi charm
misty prairie
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doesnt make it bad btw, i was using idbp in ss and its really cool, just something to note

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LOL drey

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yeah makes sense

quasi charm
misty prairie
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he's a low ladder staple yes

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that team of his is not good at all

quasi charm
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low ladder staple is crazy

misty prairie
quasi charm
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if i start with scarf basculgion, new vaporeon set, old goodra set, rotom-heat what hazard stacker would i use

misty prairie
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id drop scarf basculegion for a scarf flygon

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you want the volt immune badly

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and probably not do goodra? but you can try it

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if you go goodra maybe not flygon but youll want a volt immune badly

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we dont really have many options though

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you got like

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flygon, kilo, gastro, and swampert of which id consider only the first 3 here

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although i think klefki spikes and fitting a rocker elsewhere is the better move

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im not sure vaporeon + goodra can work so well in the meta but idk

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i think if you do do that, go vaporeon / goodra / kilowattrel instead of heattom

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similar roles, but kilo adds a volt immune and way more speed

quasi charm
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is rocks considered absolutely vital

misty prairie
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id say yes hazards should be considered vital on any balance

quasi charm
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like over other hazards like spikes

misty prairie
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i wont ever bring a balance team without rocks and often with spikes too

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id say 1) rocks 2) spikes

quasi charm
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if u have spikes do u still need rocks

misty prairie
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rocks hit more mons and do more damage to stuff like eviolite scyther chandelure and more

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id generally say fit rocks always, spikes sometimes

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the only exception is on cincinno ho

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where you forego hazards entirely

quasi charm
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i see

misty prairie
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thats why you see scarf rocks flygon on the lttm team

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its a bad set but he needed emergency rocks

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i would try to not do that

quasi charm
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does gastrodon work as rocker

misty prairie
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it can yeah

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also a mon who has recovery so you dont need wish its a solid pick

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i tend to dislike stacking types but it would work here with goodra and kilo and tera poison vap for grass types

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just make sure to pack a steel type which should be near mandatory on a lot of teams

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like if you go rocks bronzong + spikes gastro that can work here i feel

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youd need some speed and power and probably a dark resist in the last slot

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hm

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working around the goodra + vap is a bit weird in that regard

quasi charm
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hmm yeah gastrodon bronzong and vap goodra is a bit too defensive gives up lots of offense

misty prairie
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I think your best bet will be to drop goodra and base it around vaporeon

quasi charm
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psysad rip my hero

misty prairie
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Worth using on another team another time for sure 🫡

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Are you in the nu discord btw? There’s a lot of people there who can help give advice or give good games and people who will love to help build a goodra team probably

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Definitely check it out

mellow surge
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rocker gastro is fine w/ klefki

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that's probably the most common pairing

quasi charm
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my friend been playing NU so im beginning to

misty prairie
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Welcome :)

misty prairie
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Hello, I'm new to the forum and want to learn more about competivitive pokemon and try new things. Here my Team, that I built. https://pokepast.es/803902c56bf3af4f if there's anything that I should change let please me know?

alpine whale
hybrid spire
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oh sorry, I was buildig for competivity vgc.

quasi charm
# misty prairie Welcome :)

😭 ur so nice to off meta teams compared to other tier raters (no shade towards other raters i get theres not really a great way to fix a bad team without just making a new one)
Could u send me the NU Discord linkwo

misty prairie
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LOL tyty I try to be as nice as possible always

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I was new as well and only stuck around because people helped me out and were nice when I knew nothing I might as well return the favor

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I’ll send you the link in your dms

blissful lark
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misty prairie
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Hmm I think you’re really going to struggle to get anywhere with this current team

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It has some interesting synergies, but it’s lacking a lot of stuff you want on a stall and has way too many unviable pokemon to really do well

blissful lark
misty prairie
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Is there a specific set or pokemon you want to build around?

blissful lark
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i love sableye and koffing tho

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so ig around those two even if they arent really viable

misty prairie
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Issue with those two is a few things

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Well really only koffing

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It’s just really not viable outside of lc, especially when it’s evolution weezing isn’t really viable either

blissful lark
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i love diancie so diancie and sableye def then

blissful lark
misty prairie
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If you’re going to make it work, you’d probably need to go weezing and try in a lower tier than nu

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Sableye + diancie is much more workable I think

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Sableye is weird though because the best fighting type (flamigo) has scrappy which can hit it and it’s a bit too frail BUT prankster t wave and encore do probably do quite well into a lot of this HO cincinno spam

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So it’s probably ok

blissful lark
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i love sableye

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if i use him in higher teirs ill probs use its mega too

misty prairie
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I’m not such a stall connoisseur so @alpine whale will probably have a lot more insight, but generally with stall you’re looking for a few things:

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Namely longevity, the covering of threats, and win cons

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I think a common misconception of fatter teams is that you’re meant to just outlast and be bulky when in reality most good stalls have an end goal of how they win games

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Whether that’s through hazard stacking + knock off, bulky set up guys, or something else

blissful lark
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ok interesting

blissful lark
misty prairie
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Sounds like you might like stall then

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Already looking at this there are a few things I’d mess around with

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For one, more VR rated Pokemon will go a long way LOL but also clerics like vaporeon are great stall mons with their access to wish

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There are some great examples of nu stall builds from the last scl that McMeghan used that I’d check for inspiration

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And probably one or two nucl ones?

blissful lark
blissful lark
misty prairie
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Yeah the most recent nu tour

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The mcmeghan stalls were a slightly different meta but I bet they hold up well

blissful lark
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also the one we are talking abt rn on sableye i have thunder wave encore foul play and recover

blissful lark
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with nucl and mcmeghan

misty prairie
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Idk how much people like full stall in the current meta tbqh but semi stall fat stuff with kilowattrel speed control is really popular with EliasPSY as well and used a lot in nucl

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Damn I got no service now 😭

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Nucl is a nu team tournament that just ended

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Mcmeghan is a really well known player who did really well in another prestigious tournament called scl

blissful lark
blissful lark
misty prairie
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Elias is also a player

blissful lark
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got it

blissful lark
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its a dif team but yeah im still mostly new so i like getting advice and opinions

misty prairie
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Sadly I can’t link replays right now because I’ll be busy for the next day or so and offline

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But if you check the replay threads for those tournaments you’ll get a lot of inspiration including with some Sableye teams I think

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If not, tag me tomorrow evening or Sunday and I’ll find them for you

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At a weekend retreat and barely have service 😭

blissful lark
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oh ok haha

misty prairie
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Our removal options aren’t good sadly

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Even though pokemon like tentacruel or tsareena are in our builder, they should probably drop to PU soon

blissful lark
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thanks fir the pointers ill look into it

blissful lark
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swhat item should frosslass have?

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i like having her in the team shes another favorite

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is choice band a better option>

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or specs i mean

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and should i replace rapid spin tentacruel with brambleghasrt

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or avalugg but since i have ice already i think ill bramble but i do have a gohst too sicne ice/ghost

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i do like torcoal

blissful lark
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ive edited it

mellow surge
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send this torkoal to antarctica

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sadly that mon is a whole pack of ass

blissful lark
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hahaha

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whats a good rapid spinner

blissful lark
mellow surge
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we don’t really have any other than avalugg tbh

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tsareena is ok

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honestly i dont mind tsareena on this team tbh

pearl bloom
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Basculegion (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Crunch
  • Wave Crash
  • Ice Fang
  • Zen Headbutt

Incineroar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Knock Off
  • Flare Blitz
  • Fake Out
  • U-turn

Ninetales-Alola @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Ice Beam
  • Aurora Veil
  • Substitute
  • Protect

Cinccino @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

  • Ice Spinner
  • Bullet Seed
  • Rock Blast
  • Encore

Flygon @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Dragon Claw
  • Earthquake
  • Thunder Punch
  • Dragon Dance

Registeel @ Air Balloon
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def

  • Iron Defense
  • Heavy Slam
  • Body Press
  • Earthquake

I tried to make my first team, anything i should improve or replace?

alpine whale
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alpine whale
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go ahead and put it in one of these so it's easier to see

pearl bloom
alpine whale
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but from the looks of things, the Pokemon choices themselves seem great, my only issue is the choice of movesets

pearl bloom
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I’d drop expert belt on incineroar

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U probably want momentum in this so flip turn basc on paper forms a pivot core with Incin, it’s import/export a set

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Actually

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Although we have incin , id mons still look annoying. Mainly was stories said using different sets and I’d figure out an archetype , id reckon running hdb on either tales / incin / both usually because u have no hazard control

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Also the nature of the tier cincinno is good, saying that out loud means that tidy up is a countermeasure

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Offensive tales feels like really attached to tera to progress vs registeel and incin with Tera ground blast (id consider this too) since we have encore cin?

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Honestly I’d just add like

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A formal basc check too and notably add a rocker or maybe just make the flygon scarf, change basc set

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Into like aqua jet so u can have a revenge killer for like Cinc once chipped

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Or compress rocks on flygon with like some eject pack Draco heat and build a different variant

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Def boots / specs tales and boots incineroar tho

pearl bloom
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done tysm

pearl bloom
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after playing a few matched i noticed that tsareena kinda walls my team except for incin

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maybe i should put her in the team instead of registeel

blissful lark
misty prairie
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I wouldn’t worry much about tsareena but you can tech moves and teras for it

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Your team is generally good pokemon choice wise but I’d personally change most the move sets/items to be a bit more viable

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I highly recommend checking out our analysis pages on these Pokemon to see what’s seen as best

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shrewd yarrow
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dont use flame orb milo

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leftovers / boots are better

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though that pokemon is overall quite bad because it cant do anything to vapo and sub legion

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ice blast is not reall good on kilo

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air slash roost discharge / tbolt + uturn / vs is better

alpine whale
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Flygon can also use Fire Punch instead of Tera Blast

shrewd yarrow
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i dont understand what that hecid is trying to do

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yeah use fire punch

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that incineroar set is also really weird

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icicle crash / spinner is also better than avalanche on avalugg

blazing hill
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thanks for you guys opinions

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if you guys want to try this in nu its totally fine

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acoustic storm
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im really new to team building this is probably awful 😢

shrewd yarrow
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You are missing evs on munki

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Zen Headbutt is no use on copper, run sr

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Basculegion is better with substitute + stabs, or full physical with 3 water stab

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Knock Off is better than tpunch on ape

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Run dice on cinccino

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Run koff over drun on bombirdier

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@acoustic storm

acoustic storm
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Thanks @shrewd yarrow ❤️

arctic lodge
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alpine whale
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pretty cool HO, I would change some tera types to give you more resistances such as steel on tauros

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also specs meloetta is just going to drain your momentum; both its stabs have immunities so even if you do pick up a KO they can probably exploit whatever you lock into and punish such a frail team pretty hard

arctic lodge
alpine whale
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yeah guss is annoying because it can regen to trade vs multiple pokemon

misty prairie
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maybe try making meloetta into a bulky dual dance pz

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does very similar things without the momentum drain and 6-0s a lot of fat teams

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besides that, i wouldnt be too worried about amoonguss

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make bull tera steel like stories said and it can be setup fodder sometimes

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instead of pz it can also be a calm mind scream tail to do similar things

arctic lodge
rapid sable
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I need some help yall there is weird NU cobblemon or smth tournament

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i made this team

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rapid sable
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i need to improve it

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its just gotta be ruthless shi

alpine whale
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there's no Z-moves in SV NU and we don't really help with non-Smogon formats

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Cloyster and Maushold aren't NU anyway

rapid sable
rapid sable
rapid sable
shrewd yarrow
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Whyd you run stun spore smeargle over nuzzlr or glare

rapid sable
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they banned glare

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idk why not nuzzle

alpine whale
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yeah we can't really give advice for arbitrary rules

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like if you went to a soccer club and asked for advice on baseball

strange schooner
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mellow surge
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team's a bit weak for sticky web

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think w/ p-z on this build you'd rather specs so you don't have to waste any time with being stronk

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kilo also kinda vibe checks everything

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same with migo

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which frankly ends up being a really big issue w/ webs atm

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like if i queue scarf migo into this, i lead it and uturn

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then tera fight cc the rest of the game

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i would probably look into dropping tsareena for a webs abuser that doesnt lose to migo so hard then maybe drop basc or fauros for flygon

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like if this is galv / np atales / flyg / p-z / rocks diancie / filler, then i think it's functional

tardy zealot
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Idt ive posted this here yet
https://pokepast.es/3d245be79ef76256
Iirc shen (or lttm or another experienced player i forgor) suggested stail for chandy but ive experienced similar success w chandy
I see why stail would work tho

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alpine whale
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team seems overly reliant on Aurora Veil for a tier with no Light Clay. I'll say what I say to everyone but if the team works with you, go ahead and keep using it. Scream Tail helps your Flygon MU because DD sets kinda just plow through you, even a Mirror Herb Pokemon or Tauros-Paldea-Aqua would remedy that MU a lot

tardy zealot
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👍

misty prairie
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Hmm

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I think this is just a bit too rocks weak even for a cincinno team?

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But in general it looks solid

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Could probably benefit from some natural speed control from the likes of scream>chandy

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And maybe sash cincinno

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I think e button tales is awesome

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strange schooner
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Scarf Flamigo one shots sm of my team and outspeeds, and Hitmonlee can’t ever one shot it.

alpine whale
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well u can do psychic terablast on hitmonlee

strange schooner
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Only Delphox can but the scarf can be predictable.

alpine whale
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to hit poisons

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generally u want 2 mons that can punish whatever move flamigo locks into

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like drednaw punished flamigo for locking into brave bird as an example

strange schooner
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Yeah, I have that with H-Avalugg and my psychics. They aren’t bulky psychics though, so Flamigo has to be dealt with quickly.

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Tera blast psychic makes me reliant with tera for 2 mons though.

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And not to mention, bulky fairies would wall this set.
cough Scream Tail cough.

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Tera electric Scyther seems reliable enough for Flamigo though.

tardy zealot
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tardy zealot
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Team so wonky its unrateable frfr

mellow surge
# tardy zealot Tried fucking around w venomoth https://pokepast.es/f80f052dccb0d674 Also insert...

sorry for no rates I don't get pings here fsr
i think the team is a bit directionless rn because it's trying to be a veiloffense with some mons/sets that don't translate so well to the style, ie zong/scarf migo. venomoth itself is SUPER niche but i have used it/seen it used to decent success on grassy terrain. that's not to say it can't work here but i'd be overhauling the structure a bit. you're gonna want a steel overload style and i think mimicking those cinccino+scyther style builds could work here too. maybe something like offensive trick room diancie and shift gear toxtricity > bronzong and flamigo could be an angle, or even just doing a setup set on flamigo like swords dance + agility with acrobatics > brave bird and sitrus berry as the item

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i'd probably change stun spore to another attack on venomoth too. normally you'd run morning sun but snow is gonna make that kinda ass

tardy zealot
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👍

mellow surge
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and definitely opt for tera grass on cinccino if you're gonna run bullet seed. biggest benefit to it is that you ohko diancie after a tidy up

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otherwise i think encore is best

tardy zealot
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Oh dang rlly

mellow surge
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yeah it's a funny calc

tardy zealot
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Dope

mellow surge
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i do think the team is a bit weak to vapo/the move scald so maybe sd croak is better as the fighter

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i think you can experiment with that last teamslot a fair bit

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maybe even try a 3 atks memento chandelure set to add extra support to the sweepers

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cool thing about hyper offense in nu rly is that there's a lot of tools at your disposal, so just keep trying other sweepers/support options until you get a 6 that you mess with

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I'm not an NU rater, but this team just doesn't seem great, braviary doesn't really have a niche in the tier, specs vapo is just kinda bad, sylveon set is fine but no need for m-blast+hyper voice, cb incin just doesn't look good (especially with fire pledge), raikou set is fine, munki set isn't great, fake out can work at times but IDT it fits here, really only on HO would I use it

misty prairie
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Heatranator summed it up pretty well but

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Your biggest issue here is the sets

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I highly recommend checking out the analysis pages for each Pokemon here and messing with what everything is running you’ll be much more successful

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I’d also recommend dropping braviary because it’s not a viable pokemon in the tier and only got worse with rhyperior now nu, it just rose because of one user wanted it to

primal lantern
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so one random screwed up my zu team? 😭

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misty prairie
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Any mon in specific or just balance as a style?

bold kestrel
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oh i forgot 4 evs on infernape

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no just a balanced in general !

misty prairie
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Ok cool

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I think we can work on this a bit then

bold kestrel
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perfect

misty prairie
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The concept seems really solid but there’s a few glaring weaknesses for this tier that you’ll want to fix

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Gonna split it into a few different things:

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Actually one sec I’ll hop on my computer

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It’ll be easier

bold kestrel
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np

misty prairie
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ok back

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  1. you'll want to replace espeon for sure and probably avalugg and infernape here. Espeon isn't viable at all (basically just entirely outclassed by munkidori), avalugg has really fallen off, and infernape is generally niche and outclassed, but totally usable if you want; if you do use avalugg, always do heavy duty boots as the item
  2. eviolite scyther tends to really only be viable in the tier atm on certain hyper offense structures involving cincinno since it's really good at keeping hazards off of the field, but it can be really dangerous; something to keep in mind
  3. the main thing: there's a lot of defensive traits missing here that you'll need to address to have a strong balance team in NU right now
  • Water resists/immunes (need to beat Vaporeon, Basculegion, and Tauros Aqua)
  • Ghost resists (for Chandy, also Basc, NP Shadow Ball Munki)
  • Speed control
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@bold kestrel the bottom are the main traits you're missing here and the top 2 are where there's room for change imo

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you have your type synergies down, but i think there's just a few things to be done to make it more viable for the tier

bold kestrel
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since i had avalugg and scyther i wanted to have a magic bounce but yeah i understand

misty prairie
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yeah i understood the thought process, it's just that espeon is sadly really bad at it

bold kestrel
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infernape tbh at first it was a kilowattrel but i saw i didnt use it that much in match so i replaced it

misty prairie
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ive seen people mess around with a defensive espeon but

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not the move

misty prairie
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im also not so sold on av swampert but surely it's ok

bold kestrel
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leftovers are better ?

misty prairie
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probably, but if you're trying to use it to sponge special hits this is fine

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leftovers and protect goes a long way

bold kestrel
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yeah like avalug phys / swamp, bronzong spec

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but i had some hesitation on the items and so the movesets for him too

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like idk i clicked waterfall 1 time maybe

misty prairie
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id do liquidation

bold kestrel
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right

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and for infernape you said?

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or his slot at least

misty prairie
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here's an idea i had

bold kestrel
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ohh

misty prairie
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keeping a similar style and core to what you have

bold kestrel
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scrafty is usually played full offense or with some def evs ?

misty prairie
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but replacing scyther for kilo (stronger pivot into fighting types), scrafty for internape for the dark type fighter (can be a few different sets), tsareena as the spinner, and scarf munki>espeon

bold kestrel
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since the team doesnt have so many sr weakness yes espon seems less necessery

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i never understood how to play tsareena tho, like yes she spins but is she played offensively or not so much?

misty prairie
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defensive

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power whip knock spin synthesis max hp max def

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with covert cloak so vaporeon scald doesnt burn you and psy noise from bronzong doesnt stop healing

bold kestrel
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wait not uturn ?

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oh right

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her 4 moves seems quite necessary tho so i'd understand it

misty prairie
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yeah defensive sets have been far and away the most consistent

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the only issue here will be the lack of breaking power

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one sec

bold kestrel
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np

misty prairie
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another angle with cb migo and id use protect leftovers swampert here

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point here is there's a lot of direction i think

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just need to find what works best for you :)

bold kestrel
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okay! thx a lot

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i'll try different things on the ladder and see

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thanks for your time

misty prairie
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i highly recommend checking out the analysis pages for these mons

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they'll give you a good starting point for sets

bold kestrel
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oh yeah and lastly, the spread of bronzong was quite random just to be balanced but ig the smogon's one is more accurate ?

misty prairie
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most likely yes

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generally it's running max hp max spdef right now

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with the drop of rhyperior there might be an argument to be made to use a slightly more defensive spread depending on the team, but on yours, use max spdef

bold kestrel
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i used this mon exactly for rhyperior at first

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but yes ur right

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tsareena could be a knock off absorber no?

alpine whale
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Bronzong runs some phys def now anyway

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since you always wall Munki and Diancie regardless, having like 80 EVs helps vs Flygon and Flamigo

mellow surge
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not a lot of other great options here unless you overhaul a few slots, ie scrafty > incin as the dark and then you can replace migo if you dont like double fighter

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that at least means you can let tsareena run other items and then you still have scrafty to take scalds