BSS Rates

[last atlas]

Alright. Should i replace the other 3 mons to what mons?

[weak canyon]

You could go for a pivot role against opponents Caly Shadow + Miraidon. The other 2, depends on the strategies.

If you have issues with Caly Ice (the room team), you can put some pokemon that could go well against the Caly Ice team.

[last atlas]

Alright. Tysm.

[lilac nova]

I don't typically play ranked, this past month has actually been the most I've ever played it. I've been slowly building off a rental team that I vibed with really well and replaced members that weren't seeing much use. This got me pretty far until yesterday where I ran into a lot of grimmsnarl and bulky stall teams. So I'd like some advice on what I can improve on. https://pokepast.es/cde953f6daf41cd6

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[lilac nova]

Ting Lu's the only one that's been really situational so if anyone is probably going to get swapped out next it'll be them

the usual method of attack is araquanid sticky web and endure->custap->endeavor then a quick attack from zacian after araq gets KO'd. Terapagos takes advantage of the sticky web'd pokemon + tera shell to get at least one calm mind in before blasting with starstorm or earth power

if it looks like araquanid won't fare well or see a lot of setup team stuff I open with flutter mane to outspeed and taunt (though this falls apart very quickly when the other team opens with grimm)

wellspring was added really recently as a suggestion to deal with dondozo but I'm seeing her find more use in dealing with urshifu

[chrome sphinx]

I havent really messed with webs for a while just to be clear, but yeah I can see how your team struggles against stall teams, its not an amazing match up for webs.

first thing off the top of my head is, I'd consider replacing either Zacian or Terapagios (I'd lean more towards replacing Terapagos). To be clear Terapagos is totally viable, I just don't think gels too well as a restricted with Zacian, Zacian really needs stuff to help break stall

I've always liked Trick Scarf or Specs Calyrex-S with it, and I can see Specs Calyrex-S messing up some teams with webs lol. its not a perfect soluttion to cycle stuff tho

Trick Specs Lunala would totally work too, that probably loves webs

Since I really havent touched webs in ages and its fairly obscure in BSS Im gonna go quickly check some Japanese teams and see if someone has some other approaches

oof Araquanid hasn't had any teams posted since Season 28, back when it was singles restricteds... But just in case you wanna take a look

https://sv.pokedb.tokyo/pokemon/show/0752-00?season=33&rule=0

lol one of them has Utility Umbrella, I guess thats for Koraidon? IIRC the ability has a weird interaction with it

like I think the pulse attack boost doesnt get hit by utility umbrella even if Flare Blitz does

but yeah I would def look into Trick Lunala or Calyrex-S over Terapagos. If you really want to keep Terapagos then I'd look into a restricted that isnt as weak to stall as Zacian

(Calyrex and Lunala probaly would still work lol)

sorry if the advice isnt that amazing, webs is super rare atm. If you end up not liking it there's no shame in changing the team's concept too

[lilac nova]

I was definitely contemplating some scarf/specs pokemon. Gholdengo was on the mind just from how frustrated I was getting with Grimmsnarl openers. Make them try to guess whether or not they should taunt or get hit with a specs make it rain. But then it'd add a second ghost type to my roster.

Having Araquanid is really good (when it works) but I guess it really isn't as consistent as I'd like it to be.

the only question then if I decide to drop it and terapagos is what direction do I take the team in

[lilac nova]

I already have Ting-Lu built with stealth rock, maybe I could build the team around hazards and Zacian/Calyrex act as cleanup? Glimmora might be fun if it fares well these days.
Though I'm still a fan of turn 1 tripping up the other team with something then using two other mons to sweep that araquanid helped pull off.

Only thing is that hazard setup not doing too well with Taunt Grimmsnarl on the other side. I never know what to do about that guy.

[chrome sphinx]

good news, Grimmsnarl can't taunt Ting-Lu unless Ting-Lu teras!

Since Ting-Lu is part Dark, its immune to prankster

so if Grimmsnarl is driving you nuts, Ting-Lu can def get those rocks up for you

helps with Miraidon too

(makes me wish we had a dark webs setter too)

[lilac nova]

THAT'S RIGHT oh my gosh I forget about the dark type thing

on ting lu specifically lol

no wait, isn't grimm still faster?

I need to check

or is it just straight up immunity

I've never 100% understood the ins and outs of that mechanic

oh it's just straight up immunity

i thought it was that the move just doesn't get priority

[lilac nova]

Alright so
I'm thinking of dropping Terapagos for Choice Scarf Calyrex-S, keep W Ogerpon or possibly trade it for focus sash Urshifu RS, then just drop Araquanid altogether (as much as it pains me lol)
I want to keep Flutter Mane because it hits hard and having that really fast Taunt turn 1 is really nice when the other team doesn't have Grimmsnarl, and tera normal has saved me from an opponent Calyrex-S but that leaves me with 2 ghost types.
I really like Ogerpon and feels like she's a good counter for Urshifu RS and Kyogre with water absorb but that leaves me with 2 tera waters (ting-lu is tera water in case of urshifu)
Zacian deals with a lot of different things and the ground tera has helped me deal with the bikes and unova dragons.

Dropping araquanid leaves me with an empty slot, so is there anything I might not be considering/could use as another disruptor?

[chrome sphinx]

oh shoot sorry Im about to head to bed (its 2 AM where I live lol). So not gonna spend tooo much time on this till tomorrow, but those changes could work. Though I feel like Ogerpon-W tends to serve a different role than Urshifu-R. Keeping Flutter Mane is fine that thing works on a lot of teams

when I think of disruptive mons I think stuff like Rocky Helmet Mimikyu, but that would mean half your team is ghost types which is sorta overkill lol

this one is maybe a bit out there but I noticed it HAS appeared in a few top teams again

[lilac nova]

you're all good, I've just been brainstorming so I wanted to send stuff out before I forget

[chrome sphinx]

but dropping Ogerpon-W does let you use Ogerpon-C

basically means you have 2 Focus Sash Pokemon

[lilac nova]

I did get Cornerstone recommended to me at one point, I can look into it.

[chrome sphinx]

anyways I gotta catch some zzzs, good luck!

[lilac nova]

thanks!

[lilac nova]

I couldn't figure out what to swap Araquanid for so I just left it in. Still found some use for it when not going against a team with Grimmsnarl lol.

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[brazen bay]

You don’t have a mega and Mimikyu having shadow ball doesn’t really make sense. I’d definitely replace like skeledirge or something with a mega. Mega Zard Y can run a flame charge specially offensive set and is one of the best mega picks rn so you could do that. Definitely swap shadow ball for another move on Mimikyu and I’d recommend dropping protect for something like Will o wisp on rotom

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mb i meant to shadow claw inside of ball,ty

[glossy prawn]

Hello, thanks in advance for the rating ^^

https://pokepast.es/42139416214df928

[brazen bay]

Gengar should be timid not jolly, and sludge wave is preferred to sludge bomb as it has better odds to ohko primarina and various other bulky fairies.

If using physical Dnite always go outrage over dragon claw, the damage buff is still super noticeable even with the buff to dragon claw. I would honestly recommend something like sash Garchomp here though for more immediate speed and potential utility.

I’m not a big fan of calm mind primarina if it doesn’t have leftovers. Your Rotom set would do just fine with Sitrus Berry so you could probably swap those 2 items and be fine enough.

Scarf Meowscarada should always be jolly. The extra speed gives you lots of safety against stuff like DD Mega gyarados and shell smash mega blastoise

[glossy prawn]

Opsie nature mistakes sorry about that !
Just quick question about Garchomp, should i go with the SR set with full speed + attack (SR, EQ, rock tomb, outrage) ?
thank you in advance 🙏🏻

[brazen bay]

I prefer sash Garchomp with EQ Outrage SR filler

I’ve recently been using flamethrower in the last slot to snipe mega scizor

you don’t even need to switch off of jolly nature for it

The standard is rock tomb though

[glossy prawn]

that's actually pretty smart, they won't guess you have flamethrower unless they scout it with protect or something

[brazen bay]

yeah

If you wanna risk it fire blast has odds to 1 hit KO

But I went with flamethrower because it’s guaranteed to put scizor in Corviknight range

Which is all I need

[glossy prawn]

Haha i'll try this, but rng isn't always on my side so i'll stick to flamethrower too

[brazen bay]

Yeah if you have something to pick it off the lower damage doesn’t rly matter

And the consistency is much appreciated

[glossy prawn]

Exactly ! Thank you again for the precious advice and rating 😄

I'll go try all of this 🙏🏻

[brazen bay]

np always happy to help! :3

[pliant marsh]

https://pokepast.es/2bb8e7ec1532bfa3

what do we think chat

[unreal cliff]

https://pokepast.es/cf372a556dcd7b9c

how does my team look

im in UB1 rn

and i feel like i should fix it

especially since i almost never bring out scizor

and also kingambit and mimikyu can be hard to deal with

[cerulean leaf]

https://pokepast.es/b0d500e5ddcbb9f9 can i get some thoughts on this. first ever attempt at bss

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[cerulean leaf]

was thinking maybe mimi over gambit

maybe a second mega?

[brazen bay]

I’ll review these both in a bit I just woke up

[brazen bay]

So I think triple mega is probably not something you wanna mess with unless you’re like really comfortable with the game already. I would personally drop glimm an Froslass for another mega that covers blastoise bad matchups and another good support.

You could also give scizor a mega stone and add 2 additional mons to better help position your megas. I would highly recommend some kind of Corviknight set as it’s both a fantastic pivot and endgame wincon with iron defense body press sets. You can even tailor it to lean physical or special defense depending on your teams specific needs. I also think Meowscarada should be jolly. The extra speed allows you to revenge kill a lot of stuff that adamant misses out on. Key among these being opposing mega blastoise when boosted. Primarina with a Sitrus Berry is another very easy to use poke that can help set conditions for your mega choices and even has pivot potential with flip turn. I like the idea of the team overall just needs a little more polish to really shine imo

[brazen bay]

I think swapping the items on corv and prima and shifting primarina to a more directly offensive set would help here. Victreebel tends to do best on teams with a second mega that can apply more immediate pressure against pokes more suited to playing the long game. Something like mega gengar comes to min for me. Additionally, while kingambit is good, investing in speed is generally a waste. Better to put those points into HP so you can trade blows better. This team feels pretty weak to mega gyarados so I might even try scarf Meowscarada instead of Rotom as it’s faster than +1 gyarados and resists both stabs and earthquake.

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BSS Rates

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[brazen bay]

This looks really good. My only suggestion would be maybe try like air slash or dragon pulse on zard over scorching sands. Sands doesn’t really hit anything relevant that it’s STABS and solar beam can’t, air slash and dragon pulse are great for venusaur outside of sun and various dragon types, respectively

[valid seal]

is their any spefic dragon type that hard counters mega zard y?

[brazen bay]

Garchomp and Dragonite are both troublesome if they’re not in range of yard. Dragon pulse makes them much easier to handle since you don’t need as much chip to take them out

[valid seal]

ight thx I'll go for pulse then

[brazen bay]

np, happy to help!

[unreal cliff]

can i still get away with double mega froslass and toise

glim is also the dedicated zard counter

[brazen bay]

I think you can get away with one of those guys but the other should be an easier mega to use

[wicked garnet]

Hi, just getting into Champions I saw the viability chart and was curious if there was somewhere to get explanations on the placements

[pliant marsh]

https://pokepast.es/e0c6263aa5aa2d78 rate the stall team chat

[wicked garnet]

https://pokepast.es/2d861122f602fc82 First attempt, curious about why things do and don't work here. Mostly everything is willing to be changed. I saw garchomp and primarina on the viability chart and have some experience with hyper offense so this was my try at making something similar with 2 man "modes" and a late game sweeper or cleaner. still learning the terminology. Willing to learn interested mostly in the critiques to enable better building in the future. Thank you.

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[brazen bay]

you kinda get ripped up by mega Gengar I’d really suggest adding some offensive pressure here of like any kind. Toxapex has been teching payback on stall teams to handle it so you could start there but yeah. One Gengar just bullies the hell outta this

[wicked garnet]

more then willing to explain my reasoning for my choices so I can fix any holes in my logic as well, again just want to be good at making teams

[wicked garnet]

that's so interesting how can you spot that?

I never would have knew

[brazen bay]

I think you’d be much better off using a more consistent Garchomp set instead of having its use be completely tied to Tyranitar also coming along. Your Sitrus Berry slot is free so what I would suggest is giving the Sitrus to Pelliper an shifting its speed to HP, and then you can give Garchomp the focus sash an make it a more generalist set with swords dance or stealth rock. Archaludon also doesn’t have an item, which can work but something like a white herb might be worth considering to give you the ability to fire off another Draco meteor without needing to switch out. Archaludon also doesn’t have all of its SPs invested but I’m assuming you meant to give it max speed as well

[brazen bay]

Defensive teams in general rely a lot on being able to pivot around and mega Gengar shuts that down with shadow tag. It forces you to stay in against it and if you’re a defensive poke it can take advantage of that really heavily by forcing bad matchups and picking stuff off one by one

One of my main teams has a mega Gengar on it too so I use this strategy a lot myself

[wicked garnet]

wow, ok so that with its high attack and coverage i heard about is why its A+ on the chart while some stuff is unrated completely.

I curious if my team has any gapping holes like that as well

[brazen bay]

so I’m particularly keyed in to spotting team structures vulnerable to it

[brazen bay]

It looks fine in concept. You might have a hard time with stuff but some of that can only be figured out by play. It’s pretty easy to spot something with a weakness to trapping or something since it’s such a unique mechanic but general offensive/defensive holes are usually found by just testing the team out

[pliant marsh]

I really haven’t had much of an issue with gengar cuz there not staying in usually vs a charged magnet parabolic charge

But I do like the idea of teaching payback

[wicked garnet]

for garchomp I was curious if the whole sand veil bright powder was worth doing it seemed good at a glance so I thought it was worth trying. with less speed is it worth giving pelliper u-turn as well? I heard it was good for getting in pokemon safely and I assume its because it would be a slow u-turn. Your correct about the max speed for archaludon. I was curious if I should run rocks on tyranatar as while. I'mwas curious if anything was obviously not covered or openly weak too. I thought about running screens with ninetails on my first squad on 6 man I did rocks on one mon prankster screens with and support with another then 2 wall breakers a physcial and special with 2 sweepers on of each attack type as well. So i'm sure that kind of thinking is here too.

[brazen bay]

belli won’t be able to zero in on Gengar all the time and unlike with your team, Gengar can just run away from a bad matchup and any good Gengar player will know better than to try and force a KO on belli

[brazen bay]

I think mega meganium might give this team some issue since your only real solid way of breaking though it is archaludon flash cannon. A bulky pelipper can take a solar beam and hit back with hurricane which would keep it in range of said flash cannon tho

Rocks mega ttar is fine but I feel if you’re dedicating your mega slot to it you can probably go more offensive and Garchomp is a great rocker

You also don’t need rocks in BSS but Garchomp generally has a slot free to use them anyway and it helps vs Volcarona a lot

[pliant marsh]

See that’s what I like about belli is that if you soak and there not bad you get a free switch in Becuase they can’t risk getting 1 hit koed

[brazen bay]

yeah and that’s great but I think you still need something else to be able to threaten Gengar or it’ll just run away from Bellibolt until it gets to zero in on what it wants

[pliant marsh]

I do 100% agree with you

I was thinking of running a more offensive move set on pex

Passive pex doesn’t really work anymore

[brazen bay]

My buddy @polar sedge has the payback pex set

I’ll go find that rq

If you want

[pliant marsh]

Sure

[brazen bay]

this is what he’s got on his balance team. You can swap the item if you want a more consistent one. A lot of pex are actually going itemless for Aegislash right now so maybe that’s worth trying

[pliant marsh]

I’m just not very sure about have rn I’m kinda on the brink

[brazen bay]

You mean haze?

[pliant marsh]

Yeah

Autocorrect

[brazen bay]

I think haze is a good option on pex because it keeps stuff like ironpress corvi and other various setup mons from getting out of hand but you’re welcome to experiment without it

[pliant marsh]

I’m honestly just shocked you didn’t question about the hippo

[brazen bay]

Hippo is goated in bss

Never a bad choice

I’d drop superpower for yawn

But like

It’s hippo

Hard to go wrong

[pliant marsh]

It’s my check for gambit

Cuz I’m not running Bp on corv

[brazen bay]

Yawn does that along with stab eq

and yawn is more generally applicable

so id go with that

[chrome sphinx]

Yawn + SR can put some teams in a real bad spot so I'd never go without Yawn

[brazen bay]

same yeah

I get superpower but yawn is just so much better

[glossy prawn]

Hello, i came up with another team.
This is my attempt at trying Mega Dnite.
https://pokepast.es/45e563b8c79f5e57

Lead Garchomp with flamethrower tech to catch scizor or corvi ((Shoutout to Derpy, works like a charm haha).
Dnite, i'm not sure which dragon stab i should use : Draco Meteor's huge damage with a setback or D-pulse.
Basculeigon has been clutch every time with late game "last resorts"

[brazen bay]

I’d invest HP on primarina for more general bulk, and I know it sounds silly but aqua jet on legion over liquidation might be useful against scarf meows, if you can chip it into range you can still win with jet when that set usually destroys scarf legion. Apart from that I really like this team. Nice job

[glossy prawn]

Ah yeah makes sense for Primarina, it feels more consistent.
it's true that i struggle againt scarf Meows and blastoise-mega
really appreciate the feedback, i'm glad you like the team 😄

[dusky marsh]

I'm messing around with different mons for trick room and wanted advice on the team I've made. The bot sent me to this chat to post it

https://pokepast.es/57ce408b3dcb3a22

[dusty herald]

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[chrome sphinx]

wait is this for singles or doubles?

because that looks like a doubles team to me, would be more fitting to post that in the VGC Rates channel

[dusky marsh]

It's a doubles team but the Chatot bot told me to send it here for some reason

[brazen bay]

ah yeah you’re looking for vgc rates

[brazen bay]

you have the format set wrong is why, set it for vgc in the builder

[dusky marsh]

Ahhh I see I see my b

[brazen bay]

No worries

[nimble sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/45a7455a597b8f04

[dusty herald]

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[nimble sparrow]

i dont know how to bss

idk how to describe it but the team just kinda feels weird

[brazen bay]

I was asleep when this was sent I’ll look over it when I get a minute

[cerulean leaf]

sorry i didnt see this. where would mega gengar go in place of? also what prima set you thinking?

[nimble harbor]

https://pokepast.es/feee56a8f55ff464

[dusty herald]

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[nimble harbor]

yknow the smartest thing for me to do

make a meme team when ive never built a team in my life

im only using the monkeys mind you

how do i make this scuffed thing the best thing it can possibly be

[nimble sparrow]

nasty plot+blaze kick and low kick?

[brazen bay]

Please don’t post non serious teams in here

[spring lily]

is there any other way to share ur team besides pokepaste? I did everything correct but it says i i got a invalid paste. (i copied it directly from pokemon showdown)

[brazen bay]

can you send me a screenshot of what you’re doing exactly?

[spring lily]

(dont mind it being zoomed out

[brazen bay]

Just click the button at the bottom of the teamsheet on ps

It makes a paste for you

[spring lily]

ill try it out

[brazen bay]

this one

[spring lily]

oh wel, didnt know it was ther

e*

https://pokepast.es/0f933a787d2bba55 here it is (its for s and s)

[dusty herald]

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[brazen bay]

I’ll look at it in a bit I’m playing in a champions cart tour for a few hours

[spring lily]

alr, no worry. Have fun!

[balmy terrace]

Can I get advice to make it better

[brazen bay]

The floette and Mamoswine sets definitely need improvement. Mamo without rocks is pretty much a waste and chilling water/protect are not at all viable on flo in singles

[brazen bay]

swsh bss allows for 2 restricted legendaries and you have 0. Id recommend looking at bss samples to see what kinda sets and cores work in swsh

[spring lily]

Hm alr

[spring lily]

have u got any sugestions for wich pokemon to remove, and wich one to add?