BSS Rates

[raw moss]

I wanted to see if anyone would catch it

[ancient root]

https://pokepast.es/30d151c56d7dbdd1

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ancient root]

Any ideas for a 6th Pokemon? The only restrictions I have are that I am trying to make Sceptile work as he's my fave, and I also do not have access to Sword and Shield's DLC Pokemon

And also ofc advice in general 🙏

[chrome sphinx]

If I were to make Sceptile work (admitdly I'm skeptical of it), I'd go all-in on Shed Tail, so I think Leaf Storm + White Herb is probably not the way to go

I'd probably use Sitrus Berry to get an extra Shed Tail

and maybe pair it with... DD Scale Shot Dragonite or Gouging Fire

the Metagross is something Im sorta confused by too, a lot of SE attacks are gonna be bad news against that, and I'm not sure its heavy enough to make Heavy Slam worth it

Knock Off > Heavy Slam is where I'd go on Metagross, knocking off Eviolite from Porygon2 is huge

[stone violet]

So if I’m, correct the general idea of BSS is having Pokémon that cover one another’s weaknesses, correct?

[stone holly]

i mean thats pokemon in general

not exclusive to bss in the slightest

thats the general idea when you make a team for anything

[raw ferry]

tera Ghost Life Orb Valiant is the best pokemon of all time

[stone violet]

I mean I heard BSS is more lenient than doubles

[prisma elbow]

the important thing about BSS is more so having good matchup spreads with your mons

being able to win 1v1 scenarios matters significantly more in BSS than in other metas

[stone violet]

Got it

Who are some good counters to Urshifu?

[stone holly]

EVs: 108 HP / 140 Atk / 84 Def / 4 SpD / 172 Spe
Impish Nature

this is an example of a funky spread i have on a punching gloves watershifu for one

but as for urshifu checks, more defensive dnites are one, but also in general. watershifu do run ice punch for dnite though

[stone violet]

So would like Water Ogerpon counter Urshifu?

[stone holly]

well, check but yeah

just have to be weary about cc though

[stone violet]

I’m running a fighting check if needed

My main concerns to beat out are Urshifu, Dnite and Flutter

[stone holly]

well you do have to mind, you are in a 3v3 setting vs a 6v6
you wont have the leeway to switch things back and forth as easily

which is why alot of things end up opting for more bulky spreads sometimes sacrificing power to win out in the end

[stone violet]

Yeah

I figured that much

[stone holly]

EVs: 252 HP / 20 Atk / 172 Def / 4 SpD / 60 Spe

this was a firepon spread last month from someone who got 11th

arch is an ok watershifu check as well if used right, as if it comes into a surging strikes it gets 3 free stacks of stamina then cc isnt likely to break it

[stone violet]

Followed by body press

Skibidi bop mm dah dah! BOOM

[stone holly]

well it has tbolt as well

which should clean shifu in most cases

but yeah as said with waterpon, bulky ones can help once the shifu isnt band

but the main thing with shifu is that it runs like 4 relevant items

sash, scarf, band, punching gloves

ones without gloves are more suscepitble to rocky helmet stuff

flutter mane is also an ok check into shifu if you time a tera water right on a booster mane

the latis are also find for checking shifu, just have to be weary about uturn on the choiced sets and ice punch/ice spinner

but general idea, take advantage of its weaker special side, bulky grasses and water are mostly ok into it if they have a means to decent dmg to it back

[stone violet]

Is Palafin still holding out ok in BSS?

[onyx light]

Urshifu and Wellspring are unfortunately not good for it

[brazen bay]

It’s not v good anymore imo

It can unga bunga through some shifus but yeah waterpon is killer

[raw ferry]

had the worst ranked season of my life this month so I took it off mostly but I came back with a revised team to go 9-0 so far but im not high elo so im taking it more as a proof of concept for next season

went 3-11 before yesterday lmao

not with this team tho

[stone violet]

Ah, who are some good water types? I’m building my BSS around coverage

[stone holly]

Those same top 2 mons. Iron bundle (be wary of hydro pump missing), primarina , pex is around but its usually on stall or teams trying to rack up passive dmg

Swampert

[raw ferry]

I've been really liking sp.def swampert but it's less of a water type offensive threat and more of a bulky pinot/ phaser with a good fluttermane matchup

plus sleep clause is fake here so if they dont switch out you just get rocks plus sleep plus flip turn

[stone violet]

Kinda disappointed Palafin isn’t that great in BSS, why isn’t he anyway?

[raw ferry]

well the fact of the matter is it's just an objectively worse offensive water type than wet urshifu

plus wellspring ogerpon is insane vs it whereas wet bear can use it as pivot fodder on the scarf set with u turn

i think the only really way to use it ideally would be on a dedicated rain team with choice band along side wet bear

[stone violet]

But the others just said Ogerpon and Urshifu aren’t as good in BSS

[raw ferry]

where did they say that???

[raw ferry]

because both are top 5 used mons, ogerpon being number 3, and wetfu being 5

most ogerpon are fire, but water is the second mosed used and not uncommon

[stone holly]

The above plus the biggest imo is needing to switch to be useful

[raw ferry]

and scarf water bear is kinda super nice vs them

[stone violet]

@raw ferry

[raw ferry]

like firepon doesnt wanna eat a rapid strike, and wet ass pon doesnt wanna get u turned on

[raw ferry]

thats not what they mean

[stone holly]

"Not good for it"
In reference to palafin

[raw ferry]

they mean urshifu and wet pon are not good for palafin

[stone violet]

Ah

I misunderstood then

[stone holly]

But yeah in bss switching is not as free an action compared to 6v6

[raw ferry]

yeah switching in BSS feels really bad

thats part of why getting the lead right is so important

[stone holly]

So having a mon that people know has to switch puts you in a tigher spot

[stone violet]

My team so far is Iron Treads, Gardevoir, Gallade, doing my best to stick with Pokémon I enjoy cause only using Pokemon I don’t kinda killed my motivation for battling

Going for singles rather than doubles

[raw ferry]

I can respect that

[stone holly]

Plus the popularity of watershifu means that lots of teams are running physical water resists in preparation for urshifu or things that check them

So in turn it makes it harder for other physical waters to work

[raw ferry]

I wanted to make iron valiant work for the longest time

scarf garde was fairly real back in the day at least

[stone holly]

Garde isnt the best but it has a niche with copying ruin abilities with trace

[stone violet]

Waterpon would probably be the best check to urshifu

[raw ferry]

and tricking ting lu scarf kinda goes brazy

[raw ferry]

until it outspeeds you and u-turns

[stone holly]

Its one of the better ones , but not the best i would sah

[raw ferry]

which either forces your tera early or deals big damage

[stone holly]

Funny enough its most consistent check is probably like , amoonguss

[raw ferry]

for all the folks here talking about water fu running ice punch i dont think ive ever seen one use the move on ranked

[stone violet]

I could probably run WoW on a support Garde

[stone holly]

Honestly it has a hard time slotting it at times i will say

I dont even have it on mines

But thats cause im bulked out

[raw ferry]

yeah I think the clod is about as good a wet bear check as they come for that reason, but amongus has spore for extra utility

does garde get destiny bond?

[stone violet]

The thing was my doubles team was pretty meta heavy but only 1 pokemon was one I actually liked and for me I have a hard time sticking with a team mostly made up of pokemon I don’t care for, same goes for the Digimon games

[stone violet]

It does

[raw ferry]

maybe try scarf trick destiny bond dual stab

[stone holly]

Ill say its hard to kind of slot more than maybe 2 mons max of something you seriously like on a team

[raw ferry]

unless you like ogerpon :)

[stone holly]

Especially if its something outside of relevancy without some major niche

[stone violet]

I love Ogerpon

[raw ferry]

I am a rock ogerpon evangelist

[stone violet]

So that isn’t a problem

[raw ferry]

it lets you run an ogerpon and an ogerpon check in one team slot :)

[stone violet]

My team so far is Ogerpon, Gallade, Gardevoir, Iron Treads

[stone violet]

Who are some notable checks and to what Ogerpon?

[raw ferry]

well I always run rock pon myself, scarf wet bear seems not bad, iron boulder outruns firepon and has the mightiest cleave in the west, and I was theory crafting definsive d dance gouging fire that used it for set up fodder

oh those are all just firepon checks barring wet bear

gouging fire might be good vs waterpon too but I have no idea its all just theory i havent used it

anything with over 110 speed can revenge kill it

[stone violet]

The thing is paradox Pokémon for the most part, I don’t care for, it took me a while to start warming up to Iron Treads

[raw ferry]

fair enough I'd just run rock pon then

encore SD is goated

sets up vs lead rockers and 3-0s stall

just run something for gholdengo, and the odd archaludon

[stone violet]

I think part of it was I don’t care for them just being

X but metal

Or

Y but unga bunga

But Iron Treads looks different enough that it doesn’t feel like it’s just a robot Donphan

[raw ferry]

idk I thought iron val was a little more than x but metal

[stone violet]

Yeah Valiant’s also fine

[raw ferry]

iron jugulis has goofy lore

[stone violet]

It’s mainly the paradoxes like flutter

[raw ferry]

I hate flutter but it used to be my favourite

[stone holly]

There are some out therr already

[stone violet]

Iron Hands is especially one I don’t like cause I already heavily dislike Hariyama

[raw ferry]

it just invalidates like 95% of pokemon in the game

[stone holly]

Breaking swipe, morning sun, heat crash/flare blitz, dragon dance

[raw ferry]

I was thinking EQ over dragon stab but maybe thats not worth

w/ tera ground for twave

[stone holly]

Not really worth imo

Fire dragon covers all but prim

[stone violet]

Hariyama is one I’ve always felt “blah” about

So using a robot version probably wasn’t gonna happen either

[raw ferry]

Iron thorns is cool for being worse than tyranitar but also being arguably a better d dance sweeper

theoretically

[stone holly]

I used it with tera bug way back with success. There was also a high ranking team with it. Its much worse now though

[stone violet]

Now Gardevoir is one I’ve liked since childhood, it was the first psychic type I ever got to use since Abra always teleported away

[raw ferry]

yeah ddance dice tera bug was the set I was thinking of

I really wanted to run every future paradox mon on a ranked team but its just not happening

[stone violet]

If I use Gardevoir as a support who would be a good Special Attacker then?

[stone holly]

Just to note this is the current top 30

[stone violet]

I’ve found Tera steel Gallade can best Flutter fairly easily

[raw ferry]

support garde still probably runs max attack max speed

since you wanna support with trick and destiny bond i think

[raw ferry]

THE STAPLER IS NUMBER 10

things you like to see

[stone violet]

Trick choice specs onto Urshifu 😂

[raw ferry]

trick scarf onto ting lu, destiny bond urshifu

more like

garde is too slow to run specs

[raw ferry]

what site is this btw I have d nite at #1 on my site

[stone holly]

Dnite hasnt been #1 since the reg started
https://sv.pokedb.tokyo/

[stone violet]

So with a comp of Gallade (tank slayer/alternate sweeper), Treads (juggernaut), Gardevoir (Support), Waterpon (sweeper), who else would be good?

Like what roles should I fill?

[raw ferry]

I would run treads as a support with knock off and either rapid spin for rocks and the rare webs, or volt switch for momentum

or alternatively your own rocks to break sashes\

[stone holly]

Home app(mobile)

[stone violet]

Yeah I was thinking like Iron Head for checking Flutter, Rapid Spin, Volt Switch

[raw ferry]

https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss/

[stone holly]

You dont want volt switch imo

[raw ferry]

I tend not to run volt switch either

I like rapid spin for weird ass speed control and niche hazard removal

[stone violet]

Ok so what other 2 moves? Going Iron Head to check Flutter for sure at least

[stone holly]

Thats for reg E lol

[raw ferry]

plus i have won games off the back of plus 1 speed treads flinching with iron head into a KO

oh it sure is

they dont have F yet since the current season isnt over

damn americans

[stone violet]

So you see Gallade was gonna go Tera steel with Leaf Blade, Aqua cutter, Shadow Claw, Psycho Cut

[stone holly]

Honestly you need a pao check for one

[raw ferry]

pao check?

[stone violet]

So like a Mach punch/vacuum wave user?

[raw ferry]

did someone say

Tera dark iron crown?

[stone holly]

Not a mach necessarily, has to be something thay can eat a hit from pao (tough btw) and beat it , or something thay can ko it through sash comfortably (urshifu water)

You need a bulky water that doesnt mind it

[stone violet]

That’s a tricky one

I mean a lot of bulky water types exist

[raw ferry]

wet urshifu sounds like a pretty easy solution

especially scarf

[stone violet]

I honestly don’t care for him

[raw ferry]

I guess you could lead scarf garde trick it out of its sash and see if vaccuum wave kills

but that isnt reliable

[stone violet]

I’ve always had a hard time wanting to use pokemon I dislike, much harder time sticking with them

[stone holly]

If you build a team it cant just be all mons you like typically. There are some people who make more niche stuff work but its often people who have the skill to play out of their minds / using surprise factor but running something unexpected

I remember when rillaboom/ sneasler was a popular combo one person made sneasler into a sub set with taunt/dire claw iirc to mess with people who tried to check it otherwjse

[raw ferry]

I tend to start liking pokemon that win me matches

[stone holly]

Ive leveled with having to use flutter mane on teams where i need it despite not being fond of the mon myself

[stone violet]

I was winning matches with my VGC doubles team and I was already burnt out after 4 battles

[raw ferry]

one day i'll get there too phoenix

I refuse to use that mon 9/10 times luckily I'm fond of other good stuff

it just feels bad that there's like no mon as good as flutter mane in any respect

so I have to either get really creative or cope out of my mind

[stone violet]

My team was Waterpon, Watershifu, Tornadus-I, Archaludon, Incineroar, Flutter

[raw ferry]

I'm fond of half those guys

[stone holly]

But its much easier to take one mon you would like to use that is outside of top 50 usage and make a team with it rather than trying to use several , being honest. Sometimes its not even because they are bad but teams need to synergize and cover weaknesses.

And especially if you are new to a meta it would be better to try and learn the meta with something more orthodox so you can see how to make something more unorthodox work in the meta

[stone violet]

The thing is I’ve tried sticking with it, and I just lost all motivation, my brain is wired in a weird way

[raw ferry]

thats fair but its also not really fair to expect strangers to be able to give you advice about usiong good mons but only if you like them because we have no idea what you like

and even if we did its possible that your favorites just dont synergize with each other

[stone holly]

Oh i can relate
Ive been spending like half of the month of reg f trying to make a webs team work but i realize i need to understand the new meta first before i try something hard like webs.

Though i still made something a little weird in the end (whimsicott leech seed with t spikes) its less odd and im trying to use it to understand the mets more before i retry webs

[raw ferry]

like we can give chien pao checks

but we cant give you chien pao checks that are also your favorites

[stone violet]

I’m not exactly super open with it anymore, cause I get called weird for having like Gardevoir, I’m sure you know what they assume

[raw ferry]

gardevoir is goated dont worry

I've also been forcing some of my favourite guys but my favourites are at least a tad more viable

valiant is at least top 50

but worse than like 90% of actually viable mons at what i want it to do

[stone violet]

What are some Chien Pao checks?

[stone holly]

And a good thing to note :
Pao has like , several mons that can check it. But not all of those mons are relevant as they struggle to do things other than check pao. Alot of top mons are where they are because they either have a strong niche thay cant be filled by other things , have multiple sets , or are just really strong outright

[stone violet]

If only we could go up until the final season of the gen where all legends are restricted

[raw ferry]

wet urshifu, vaccum wave valiant if they dont tera is that ive been using, scarf or speed booster mons that can multi hit

back in the day I ran arcanine with e speed for it lmao

[stone holly]

But as far as pao checks :
Shifu , incine, bulky gfire, archaludon, scizor

[raw ferry]

oh yeah you cant forget the archy boy

skipper is also a shout

ive been having a tough time using it tho

cus I always wanna go banded tera steel bullet punch

why is dark bear top 15 btw

it just seems like such a huge opportunity cost to not run the water one

[stone violet]

Would Greninja with loaded dice beat out Chien Pao?

You know with water shuriken

[stone holly]

Not enough dmg

[raw ferry]

no

[stone violet]

Why not?

[stone holly]

Cause gren has like 105 spa

Pao isnt that frail and its not se on it

[raw ferry]

because you deal under half its health with 4 hits max

[stone holly]

Max hits shuriken is like 75 bp as well iirc?

[raw ferry]

yeah

water shuriken is truly miserable

if you're that down bad

do what I did and run tera dark iron crown

it isnt good

[stone holly]

Its prio as is
Would be absurd if it did any more

[raw ferry]

yeah

but what it currently does is miserable

I dont think ive seen shuriken in 3v3 be anything other than winmore

like its a good prio move obv, but in those situations it would be just as good as a prio move on any other guy

[stone violet]

I avoid all paradoxes but Treads

I find a lot of them kinda bland

[raw ferry]

like I said

I can give you pao checks

not pao checks you like

unless you wanna post a list of the mons you're willing to use

[stone violet]

How does Scizor check him?

[raw ferry]

double prio and good bulk

[stone violet]

I already know I’ll get laughed outta the discord if I show the list

It’s happened before with another discord

[raw ferry]

well then I cant give you mons you like because I dont know them

all I can give you is niche mons that can do a thing some times

[stone holly]

I mean you wouldnt get laughed at for showing mons you like (unless those people are asses , and im not at least)

[raw ferry]

if the more viable johnnies arent your vibe

[stone holly]

One of my favouritr mons is likilicky

But genuinely as i said prior , to make something you like work you are often gonna have to use things that arent something you like

[raw ferry]

yeah phoenix is right

look at it this way

[stone holly]

Its a matter of team stability. You might get some wins otherwise but the team wont hold up vs properly built teams

[raw ferry]

the price of admission for building your team around gallada and gardevoir is running like 4 war criminals in the bac

[stone violet]

Well okay (only listing ones in SV/Teal Mask)

Ambipom, Gardevoir/Gallade, Iron Treads, Ogerpon, Greninja, Klefki, Decidueye, Lilligant (both versions), Cyclizar, Chandelure, Okidogi, Porygon, Sylveon, Zangoose, Ariados, Drifblim

[raw ferry]

okidogi is insanely good

[stone violet]

Pretty much ones I don’t care to use are most paradoxes and most legends

[raw ferry]

porygon 2 is good

[stone violet]

Oh forgot to say Iron Valiant is one I like too

[raw ferry]

one of my friends popped off with okidogi on multiple occaisions and if you're not at high elo it'll perform even better

[stone violet]

Not really at all

[stone violet]

Huh and people earlier were saying he isn’t good

What ability? Toxic chain or Guard Dog?

[raw ferry]

well yeah this is a very competitive server, the grounds for being good in the eyes of great players is probably a lot higher than mine

my friend was running guard dog bulk up to beat whirlwind ting lu

[stone violet]

Oh dang

[raw ferry]

tera water, knock off, p jab, drain punch, bulk up

[stone violet]

Possibly potential for baton pass moody Smeargle to return?

[raw ferry]

you can also maybe sub bulk up out for something else and run ass vest with toxic chain

[stone violet]

I like him but I haven’t seen anyone recommend him

[raw ferry]

baton is not consistent

I played 2 baton pass opponents on my return to ranked and both games went perfect for them, and they still lost

[stone violet]

Ah

Minimize baton pass would still be funny though, unless they decide to take Stomp or bring out body press Archaludon

[raw ferry]

not the minimize passing

[stone violet]

You see minimize got rebalanced so then it takes increased damage from stomping, press, and crush moves which are also unable to miss a minimize’d target

[raw ferry]

does that count heavy slam?

[stone violet]

Idk if it does

I was wondering why on showdown it said “minimized” on a pokemon who used it so I looked into it on bulbapedia and saw some moves get boosted damage and can’t miss the target

[raw ferry]

that is very funny

but if thats the case you'd probably run double team instead of minimize

[stone violet]

Yeah

Maybe one of my pokemon should run one of those moves for minimize abusers like Clefable

@raw ferry what did your friend use as Okidogi’s moveset?

[raw ferry]

here

[stone violet]

Ah thanks

[stone violet]

So the idea to deal with Chien Pao is someone who can eat attacks from it or kill it through sash?

[raw ferry]

yes

okidogi has the nice niche of naturally resisting dark and. fighting, and with tera water can beat the ice neutrality if you're at low health and since you're slower you get to get the damage you took back with drain punch

sadly with only dual stab and knock off you cant really do anything to gholdengo after you knock off its item

its less consistent than better knock off users, and fighting types but it does have solid utility for what it is

and if you wanna run toxic chain you could drop bulk up for something else (possibly fake out if it gets it) and run assault vest\

fake out plus drain punch probably eats chien pao alive

[stone violet]

Unfortunately he doesn’t

[raw ferry]

then yeah just go bulk up lefties

if you get to plus 2 you could probably cook gholdengo with knock off

[stone violet]

Sorry if I’m being difficult with this

[raw ferry]

@stone holly got any thoughts on a rillaboom + acrobatics grassy seed blaziken core?

[stone violet]

Is Cyclizar a good support for BSS?

[stone holly]

not really

[stone violet]

Ah thought because the shed tail is an awesome safe switch move

[stone holly]

not on something that frail with so many hard hitters and then booster stuff as well

orthoworm is a more useable one but its tough as its lower spdef is exploitable

[stone violet]

Yeah

[stone holly]

but typically speaking there are screen setters that provide more overall utility compared to those mostly just bringing shedtail

[stone violet]

Like who? Ik grimmsnarl’s one

[stone holly]

there aurora with ninetales, dragapult, and some have found success with scream tail on more specialized teams (evasion passing)

[stone violet]

Minimize is a bit of a double edged sword

[stone holly]

it is , but thats why those teams are so rare in the first place

ive encountered maybe 5 in my time playing

and i mean over the course of a year

[stone violet]

Against minimize Stomp gets 50% more power for every time minimize is used

And can’t miss

[stone holly]

heavy slam does as well (a useable move on things already for flutter)

but its also why evasion passing likes passing to dengo

[stone violet]

Minimize drawback is also passed

[stone holly]

well that and good as gold

[stone violet]

Same with autotomize weight reduction

[stone holly]

i know

[stone violet]

Perhaps I should get a Pokémon with stomp in case minimize mons are used

[stone holly]

not really

as i already said, its once a bluemoon type deal and stomps dmg is gonna do next to nothing to the usual minimize targets

[stone violet]

Is Tsareena any good if I use queenly majesty?

[stone holly]

Its not particularly good id say

Doesnt really do enough to relevant things save for probably urshi but urshi isnt clicking water stab into it , it would either uturn or cc

[stone violet]

Dang it

[stone violet]

Is Basculegion a good check for Urshifu?

[stone holly]

Its fine if its the last mon on your team

Legions main thing is being the 2nd to last thing on a rain team or the last thing on teams built around it so it can do dmg with last respects

[stone violet]

Seen a few gimmick builds using Gogoat, he any good?

[stone holly]

I can not honestly tell you the last time i saw it , but no gogoat isnt particularly good. Doesnt really have anything over other more relevant grass types

Lemme ask are you playing bss on ps or on cart.

Cause if the latter you can find usage for stuff on the home app. Can see relevant stuff, what moves, abilities , tera they use etc. Only thing you cant see is evs and ivs.

Its a good way to see what others are running and get a good idea of what may work for some mons on your team when building

[stone violet]

Cartridge

[stone holly]

You have the mobile home app installed ?

[stone violet]

Yeah

[stone violet]

Idk what that does for me though regarding battles

[stone holly]

It has useful data for ranked matches on it. Its good place to see what things commonly used so you can knoe what to expect

[stone violet]

Where do I check?

[stone holly]

you open the app, press the green circle with 3 lines at the bottom and you press battle data

[stone violet]

Okay so expect a lot of Flutter and Dragonite

[stone violet]

@stone holly a common thing I see with Dnite is normal Tera + extreme speed, is that as common in BSS?

[stone holly]

yes

its dnites signature set

[stone violet]

Alright so steel wouldn’t be a half bad thing to have

[stone holly]

depends on what steel you mean
its usually a standard of : espeed, earthquake, dragon dance/roost/encore (could be any of a mix for its last 2 moves)

[stone violet]

Like steel Tera

[stone holly]

on what though

[stone violet]

Maybe something with access to fighting and/or ice moves

Already running Gallade so maybe I can include CC

[stone holly]

gallade isnt safe into it since it has to worry about not getting espeeded. and you cant just insta click tera steel when in front of a dnite and assume its going tera normal

and dnite unironically runs several sets

its why its so high in usage
multiscale+tera+ dnites wide movepool makes a match made in heaven

but when dealing with dnite you want to use something with solid enough physcial bulk, and though gallade can damage it after you confirm the tera its not something that can comfortably 1v1 it , especially taking multiscale into cconsideratio

also gallade as of sv has no reason to run cc anymore

sacred sword + sharpness does the same amount of dmg

[stone violet]

Oh okay, what are some good checks to Dnite?

[stone holly]

watershifu is fine when its not tera flying, flutter mane can deal with it typically if its a charm flutter mane (has to watch out for bulky twave sets though), pao is one of the few things that can one shot it clean if it doesnt tera and post tera dnite has to be weary of it if multiscale is broken. blood moon luna is ok into most sets but a very small handful of dnites have been using low kick with av to check it. Landorus t is also ok into it most of the time since its twave immune and can drop the attack of physical sets (this is referring to scarf landos using tera flying though). archaludon is fine into most of dnites physical sets, it just has to mind eq at first. iron bundle is ok, dondozo, zapdos

but the big thing to keep in mind that nothing (relevant) hard checks dnite. but the physical are often easier to deal with once you identify which one it is before its too late

[stone violet]

Got it, I guess maybe I can run Iron Bundle

Even though I’m not fond the paradox mons beyond Treads

[stone violet]

Is Chandelure a good fire type?

for BSS

[stone holly]

its outclassed by chiyu who hits harder and hits a speed tier that lets it outspeed scarf shifu and lando, and its typing and high spdef means its more likely to stomache none power gem attacks from flutter

[stone violet]

Got it, Tinkaton good or outclassed as well?

[stone holly]

Its ok as a rock setter at times for teams that need its typing and mold breaker

[raw ferry]

it can be kind of a role compression lead with knock off, stealth rocks, and twave all one one guy

[stone violet]

Finished my team, any thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/e0156c2025346036

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flint vessel]

https://pokepast.es/cc911bfd7434e29f trying to build around scizor+blood moon, and feedback?

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone holly]

what do the ev spreads do ? also no sense running quick attack or brick break on scizor
if you are using the sd version you usually want like knock off, and cc/dual wingbeat (i prefer the latter) or uturn

sitrus is typically preferable over covert cloak

typically for specs flutter you usually want : fairy, stellar or fire tera

[chrome sphinx]

yeah my issue with Cloak Scizor is that Garganacl can still totally beat you tbh

[stone violet]

Volt Turn team, any thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/b27afbe217f53e24

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quick bough]

https://pokepast.es/1b9611fc30229b84 a sand team I’ve been running, I’m not sure what to slot in as the 6th, I’ve been switching between wellspring and watershifu

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone holly]

I think wellspring is a decent add imo

[flint vessel]

https://pokepast.es/001ec8b82ffe905d

[dusty herald]

New BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

looks pretty cool, always love that anti-paralysis / Landorus-T Dragonite! My only concern is I feel like Garganacl looks like a tough match-up. What's your gameplan for that usually, use Ursaluna-B?

[little fossil]

This is me tryna cook, can anybody help me improve this?
This doesn’t nessesarily need to be a sun team so change whatever, I just like encore and bulky offense. If you can somehow fit in Alolan raichu then I would be amazed, that PU shitter is not gonna be viable lol. (It is my favorite, but prioritize practical battling when improving this pls)

https://pokepast.es/9d9ea048eefd66ad

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[little fossil]

Pls don’t do anything super complex, I am trying to ladder on cart

Will be waiting as I wait

[brazen bay]

currently at work will look over this when I get off if nobody else has yet

[little fossil]

K

[chrome sphinx]

I gotta eat dinner but, probably not a bad idea to read the BSS analyses for all those mons. All of them except Kingambit have been updated for Regulation F! Especially for Torkoal, don't think it can get away with Rapid Spin in BSS

[little fossil]

So maybe rocks? Or solar beam?

[stone holly]

rocks can work id say, though admittedly alot of torkoals prefer eject pack with overheat over heat rock to help with pivoting into their sun mon safely

[little fossil]

Nice

[brittle lily]

I'm building a lance themed team for BSS and would love some input on how to optimize it as best possible. Ideally would like to keep Dnite, Gyarados and hydreigon in rotation. https://pokepast.es/7349392abdd0c844

New to competive pokemon, but trying to learn as much as possible.

[brazen bay]

Mono dragon is p bad ngl

[solemn orchid]

Decidueye set, only there to be a nuisance and gtfo
https://pokepast.es/9b9e357ff7d4869e

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

I would suggest looking at the vr and dex sets, this team isn’t very good

[solemn orchid]

Whats wrong with it?

[chrome sphinx]

Unfortunately I'm not sure where to begin, like almost every Pokemon has a problem associated with it, ranging from Decidueye (who is def not viable atm), to the Ting-Lu (Stomping Tantrum is not worth it over Earthquake). Like I'm not sure what to suggest except start from scratch. The Roaring Moon set is fine though so maybe you can base a team around that if you want

[solemn orchid]

I know Decidueye is not viable, thats why Im using it

The team isn't meant to be viable, its meant for Anti Viable

[chrome sphinx]

uhhh.. you might be at the wrong place then lol

[solemn orchid]

How?

[chrome sphinx]

Because this is meant for people who need help with their serious teams. If you're using Decidueye specfically because it isn't good, then getting your team rated is pretty pointless!

[solemn orchid]

Jesus ok

I didn't realize that meta wasn't meant for fun

What I should just make my team OU/Ubers mons or something?

[chrome sphinx]

OU and Ubers don't really have the same meaning in this format

[solemn orchid]

They may as well honestly

[chrome sphinx]

like to use an example: Palafin is banned in OU, but its a really niche mon in BSS because of the high risk associated with its ability

[solemn orchid]

Well what could I do to make the team better

[brazen bay]

Like TMon said it’s probably better to start from scratch. Moon is the only thing I’d say is actually viable there

[chrome sphinx]

People have used Ting-Lu + Roaring Moon before at least, I'd totally overhaul that Ting-Lu though

[solemn orchid]

Ceruledge is good at what it does, OHKOing Flutter Mane before it even gets a hit with Shadow Sneak

[chrome sphinx]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/ting-lu/battle-stadium-singles/

[brazen bay]

being locked into shadow sneak isn’t rly a good thing

With blursa and Tera normal Dnite

everywhere

and Pao

[chrome sphinx]

how high on the ladder are you? Asking because this actually changes once you get into master ball! A lot of Flutter Mane invest heavily in Defense, to the point the offensive ones will tank it with Tera, and the defensive Charm Flutter Manes straight up survive without Tera

[solemn orchid]

If the opponent doesn't use Flutter Mane, thats what CC is for, Its Banded, it gets the kills

[chrome sphinx]

well the issue here is that Flutter Mane + Blood Moon Ursaluna is a really common combo

I've actually tried Cerluedge recently and thought it was OK, but Choice Band I think is super risky for it

like the two main sets that seem like they could sooorta work are Focus Sash Weak Armor and Flash Fire Bulk Up

[brazen bay]

Banded moon is rly good

[solemn orchid]

I am currently in Great Ball tier, this was a test team to see how it would perform

[chrome sphinx]

oh that explains why you've been OHKOing Flutter Manes then

once you start getting higher in the ladder you'll notice Flutter mane really starts to diversify in some scary ways

and yeah CB Roaring Moon is plenty dangerous if you want to try that

[brazen bay]

TMon have you used kiss flutter

This set is devious

[chrome sphinx]

yeah tho last time I used it I used Charm > Draining Kiss, but I am considering that exact set for that Alolan Ninetales + Pawmot team I'm building rn lol

[brazen bay]

Bro this set

[chrome sphinx]

cuz I cant have it losing to Garganacl

[brazen bay]

Absolutely dunks on anything remotely passive

you’d probably have to go fatter if you wanna beat Garg I’ve had my sub broken by salt cure a couple times

I usually have sm like bulky waterpon paired with this set tho

[chrome sphinx]

yeah you def need something for Urshifu-R cuz I think Tera Water survives +1 Tera Fairy Draining Kiss lol

[brazen bay]

ye

[solemn orchid]

Yeah no, Just did the calc

A Defensive Flutter Mane dies to a Max Attack Shadow Sneak + Banded

[brazen bay]

flutter can Tera off ghost

[solemn orchid]

Ok? If its Tera Fairy it dies to Tera Steel Iron Head

[chrome sphinx]

252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Flutter Mane: 114-134 (70.3 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

to be clear max max bold is a very real thing!

usually the Charm ones using that with booster energy cuz they still get a Speed boost with 4 Speed EVs

worst yet those are the ones that are likely to use Tera Water

reason why that's scary is because they can actually set up on Ceruledge by Tera Water + Charm + Pain Split

its why I really don't like using CB priority stuff to check Flutter Mane

because when you face ones that are prepared for that, they can totally flip the match on you

[brazen bay]

If you wanna use a priority move to check flutter scizor is by far the most consistent

[chrome sphinx]

yeah Scizor is good at that I just don't like using CB Scizor specfically for that purpose (unless I got a real good response to the Charm set)

[brazen bay]

av or SD are the best imo

[chrome sphinx]

oof just did a calc and CB Ceruledge's chances against the bulky Specs Mane aint too hot either

[brazen bay]

[chrome sphinx]

252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Flutter Mane: 114-134 (70.3 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

wait wrong one

252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Shadow Sneak vs. 116 HP / 204 Def Flutter Mane: 132-156 (91 - 107.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

there we go

[stone holly]

the thing with choiced mons to consider is that you have to be more careful with them in 3v3 where you cant switch in and out as easily

[chrome sphinx]

btw this is part of why CB Roaring Moon happens to be great!

Its got U-turn to reduce risk, and Knock Off is gonna have consequences for even bulky switch-ins

[solemn orchid]

How good is Punching Glove Scizor?

[brazen bay]

not

[chrome sphinx]

probably not a mon you want to run Punching Glove on, like if you're using SD a lot of those really want Sitrus Berry, and if you want a power boost, Metal Coat boosts Bullet Punch more

now if you want something to use Punching Glove on

Urshifu-R is a great choice!

I also think its still neat on the bulkier Iron Hands sets even if I THINK a lot of the bulky SD stuff moved away from Punching Glove as of late, but lemme check cuz Iron Hands sorta got a decent surge in usage recently

[solemn orchid]

Would Life Orb be a good option for Scizor?

[chrome sphinx]

You can, but atm its sorta risky because Scizor is expected to take a lot of punishment

[solemn orchid]

Isn't that what Terastalization is for?

[chrome sphinx]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/scizor/battle-stadium-singles/

basically if you use SD you def want Swords Dance

because then its really gonna focus on late-game cleaning rather than say, checking Flutter Mane

[quick bough]

That’s nasty I’m stealing it

[stray osprey]

One team top for single competitive ?

[tropic forge]

Any thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/9845f8210b605174

[tropic forge]

Shoot, sorry, this is an older set

[stone holly]

a few things:
in bss the only things that want to run hdb are the ones that are hazard weak and even then its usually only stuff thats either quad weak (volcarona) or dont want their ability breaking (dnite)

meow usually find its place as a sash setter with toxic spikes on leech seed or salt cure teams. anything else would be scarf with tera stellar

offensive booster valiant is pretty bad these days. at most you would find sash to be effective with dbond. but valiant in general is somewhat rare these days with so many strong fighting types and flutter being relevant and other special attackers easily dealing with it.

clod if not on a stall team honestly would prefer water absorb as it helps it wall urshifu as opposed to unaware. it has issues with being a bit passive though so its preferred on more bulky teams

dirge is ok but its what i would actually put hdb on but at that same time dirge is another mon primarily seen on stall with ability shield to help wall firepon.

corviknight is another thing that is a bit too passive to use typically but does wall some relevant mons. its place is a bit rougher these days with raging bolt though

[tropic forge]

What do you mean hdb?

Also what should I replace valiant possibly with?

Oh heavy duty boots

I will admit, my team is a little out of date

[stone holly]

im not the best teambuilder i will say, but id say the parts on that team wouldnt work together as smoothly in the current meta imo

[tropic forge]

Would Glimmora work on my team instead of clod?

I will use the DB iron valiant

[stone holly]

glimm is a nice sash lead (or the occasional red card set) but its mostly found on leech seed/salt cure teams. or teams trying to rack up hazard dmg through phasing.

which mon do you want to actively try to use on the team is what id probably ask first

[tropic forge]

Prob meow

And I did say the set is out of date, but I do want to run it

Ideally, I want to try and run almost all my team, but want to see what I can improve

Part of it this is for IRL, and I don't want to need to go grind money in game >_>

[stone holly]

well if thats the case first off then do you have dlc and do you have access to scarlet mons

[tropic forge]

Yes

Err DLC yes, scarlet no

But if you recommend like one or 2 I imagine I could get a trade

[stone holly]

well for meow it can work with scarf stuff, moveset of like uturn (or maybe trick if you prefer it), flower trick, triple axel and then either of knock off or play rough

but just to note thought its stronger set is sash with tspikes but in general its not a strong mon atm .really has to mind booster mane outspeeding and dnite nabbing it with espeed. Also have pon who are better grass types and better physical dark types in pao, roaring moon and darkshifu

[tropic forge]

Wonder if on my team I use sub on my skeledirge then switch clod to glimmora lead

Instead of will-o-wisp

[stone holly]

eh , not really worth using sub on dirge at all

at most it would opt for yawn over wisp

[tropic forge]

Ah so they're forced to switch or risk sleep?

Last question is glimmora a better option than clod? Issue with clod is its not really strong, all it can do is hazards and.....thats it

On a better team I can understand it would fit in

[stone holly]

the thing is its more that bss is a 3v3 meta in reality . Even if you bring 6 mons you can only pick 3. your 3 has to beat their 3 and often times you wont have the freedom of switching into a defensive answer as you wont be able to bring all of them. And defensive play is even rougher now with alot of high powered threats and tera

so some things if they try to come in they have to apply pressure to the mon outside of just taking hits for it. Because of stuff like this you will see more "Face to face" teams as they are called running funky bulk evs to live certain things so they can trade better even vs some things that beat them.

but like say meow for example, if you run it with scarf you need things that it can pivot into after uturning off something that can deal with it and then at the same time be able to pivot into something else when the opponent tries to bring out the thing that can deal with the wall you brought in. which is why at times clod and dirge can be awkward outside of stall.

scarf lando is a popular scarfer because of its immunities and intimidate and in general solid power output when paired with its high atk and its stab with tera flying

[tropic forge]

Glim I thought at least it works cause it can create or remove entry hazards

[stone holly]

its more that glimm works more on specific teams these days

archaludon is the most common rocker atm

glimm isnt bad, but it uses up a precious focus sash and is preferred on teams designed to chip

that or basculegion teams

[tropic forge]

Due to arch's typing would it work on my team? Or will I need to update it a bit?

[stone holly]

well id say if you want to use meow in the area of scarf you probably want to start off by having two mons that can help bring it in safely or are things that can take help take hits for it

i think corvi isnt too bad in that regard at least

as a start

[tropic forge]

Would arch be better than clod for my team?

Just in terms of a SR setter if needed

[stone holly]

well its not an absolute necessity to have rocks on a team honestly

[tropic forge]

The other thing is I want a possible hazard remover too

Thats kinda why I leaned to glimmora

[stone holly]

dont really need hazard removal either

these are top teams from last month. not a single hazard removal mon on them. plus only half were running rocks (the bottom lando team is av)

[tropic forge]

What could replace clod then?

[stone holly]

let see

[tropic forge]

I also do like rocks because outside BSS it can at least help punish other teams

understand in BSS its not going to gel as well

[stone holly]

its fine on the right teams, its just not much of a necessity.

and scarf mons dont really work well with hazard setters imo (at least not when being run as a chosen lineup)

you want more than one mon for the scarf mon to go back into typically

[tropic forge]

What could fit that then?

[stone holly]

there has been a really popular combination of using : alomomola, grimmsnarl, a regen mon of either amoonguss or hydrapple , another mon (usually gliscor) and then two offensive mons

[daring nebula]

Would yall take this to either comp gen if yall wanna continue? Thx

[stone holly]

? i was trying to help them with their team though . or should i not be talking as much

[daring nebula]

Nah its fine to talk about it a bit dont get me wrong this much is fine im just making sure yall wont flood no worries

[tropic forge]

Almost feels like I could try Gliscor

Typing wise it would fit in my team, and I like Earthquake

And I could try and get out of my mindset of trying to force a SR setter or remover

[stone holly]

well just for a last note for now if you have the home app use it on your phone to see usage stats so you can see whats relevant now, moves, etc. also dont hestitate to ping me (but probably in comp general so not to flood here as asked) or maybe join bsscord if you seriously would like to get better

[tropic forge]

I'll prob ping tomorrow for more tips

[tropic forge]

So question: Archaludon or Glimmora?

I already have kingamit on my team, wondering if I should just go full speed ahead

[brazen bay]

would be helpful to see the rest of the team but generally speaking Archaludon is more flexible. Kingambit is quite mediocre in bss tho and I’d recommend something like Chien-pao over it for dark offense

[tropic forge]

So I have Meowscarada, Iron Valient, Kingambit, and Dragonite

I also have Skeledirge but I'm kinda wondering if Volcarona would be better, or if Skeledirge has more utility

Keep in mind also this is for personal battles, not just battle stadium

Like also I'd be losing out on any hazard removal unless I just use heavy duty boots or other items to mitigate switching issues

[brazen bay]

well if you ask for advice here I’m going optimize it for bss specifically so perhaps it’s better to just have a version for casual battles and then one for bss

[tropic forge]

I guess the question I should ask is for BSS and regular, is hazard removal a must?

[prisma elbow]

not only is it not a must, it's one of the first things people will recommend you remove from a team if your team has it

it's almost always a waste of a moveslot and turn

there are niche case uses of rapid spin but otherwise you won't see it

[tropic forge]

One last question: For meowscarada, if I'm using protean would I be better using stellar instead of grass tera?

[tropic forge]

For Archaludon, which item is better? Sitrus berry or leftovers? Keep in mind i'm running a stamina build

[brazen bay]

Lefties

Usually

[tropic forge]

Ok, kinda makes me decide I also might swap skeledirge for Volcarona

Always loved that guy in XY

[eternal delta]

https://pokepast.es/931c50d05b6dcfde

[brazen bay]

where’s the other 3 mons

[tropic forge]

Should I use fluttermane instead of an iron valiant?

[eternal delta]

Really just main lining those 3 into everything until I figure out what else to put in

I liked playing stall back in the day but I'm so out of touch I'm rereading everything

[stone holly]

Well there are is a standard stall model thats used these days (with a few slight variations) i dont have team pastes on me now though id have to give them later. Blissey is run on them and iirc corvi sometimes as well but not really annihilape

[eternal delta]

I'd like to do stall in BSS I just don't even know where to begin outside of blissey

Tried finding some stall cores on smogon

[stone holly]

2nd and 3rd teams are probably semi stall but the rest are basically what stall looks like right now.

There are teams in the links there but its in jp . I can turn it into a pokepaste later when j get off work so i can give to you for you to get a good idea but otherwise you would have to navigate the site yourself.

Blissey , dozo , dirge, pex and avalugg are usually none negotiable (especially dirge for firepon and avalugg for chienpao)

Stall is still somewhat hard to pull off though i will say. Not the strongest team choice by any means in the current meta as a small heads up

[eternal delta]

What's the current meta like for BSS

Or where can I get some info on it

@stone holly

Smogon hard to find bss stuff

[stone holly]

If you arent playing on cart and have the home app you could check this site https://sv.pokedb.tokyo/

Only thing is its in jp so you have to either know jp or manage through machine tld pokemon terms.

You should find a vr in the thread for bss though i dont have the link to it atm. Sets for the most part for stuff should be on smogon as well.

Just to note though that this is the last month of reg f so with reg g quite a bit will change with the addition of various restricted mons.

[tropic forge]

Would iron head and low kick, or swords dance and axe one of them be better for Kingamit?

Have Archudalon on my team

Not sure if I should aim for coverage or pure attack

[final bough]

Relatively new in competitive battling. Juat wanted some opinions on this team I've been using. I've gotten one with from ultra ball rank a few times and I'm looking for something that might get me over that hump.

[final bough]

The Flutter mane is timid with max hp max spatk

[brazen bay]

To be frank this team isn’t good

also if you’re building for reg G you should have a restricted

That’s not really optional imo

[little fossil]

I am getting clapped by calyrex-ice and I need help

But I can’t find counterplay for all of the viable restricted legends 😭

https://pokepast.es/60c85a06909f0e5b

Showdown is down so I can’t even pick the format..

[stone holly]

First note
You cant have more than 1 item
So cant have two scarfs and two assault vests

2nd i think dnite in this meta definitely wants more bulk than speed when there are things that can ko it through multiscale as is

[little fossil]

Ok, implemented and changed some stuff, but I dunno if Chi-Yu is that useful (maybe it is and I am a dumbass), so what’s next?

https://pokepast.es/3d2e24e9ea243687

[stone holly]

whats the speed evs on bolt for ?

[little fossil]

Speed creep max speed base 50s I guess, might want a bit more to outspeed max speed bloodmoon but that set might be fake…

[stone holly]

looks fine to me for now at least . still the first month of reg g so people still trying stuff but id say it looks like it can holdup okish

[little fossil]

Ok, I just wanted to make sure this is solid before building the thing.

Rather not waste my time on a suboptimal set

[eager saffron]

https://pokepast.es/1b22a2d37e7c0ef3

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[brazen bay]

Firstly uhh

Just go outrage on korai

Dragon claw is so weak

And collision course > close combat

I don’t like Shiftry and ninetales either tbh

I’d drop them both

[eager saffron]

i want a chloro mon ngl

shiftry seems like the most unexpected

[brazen bay]

it’s bad

Just use ogerpon tbh

[eager saffron]

what should be the replacement

oh yeah that

[brazen bay]

Boots on wake isn’t good either

[eager saffron]

my specs is on flutter my scarf on korai

[brazen bay]

LO then

[eager saffron]

what should replace ninetails

probably an electric type right

[brazen bay]

Dnite or Lando

[eager saffron]

to squash rain

[brazen bay]

Pon handles rain fine and korai resists water so

you can just toss it into most rain mons

WW thrives in rain too

[eager saffron]

should i go band

[brazen bay]

I think 3 choice items is a bit much

Bulky Dnite probs better

If you’re gonna use sash chi I’d go wisp or plot over flame charge

Scarf korai and espeed Dnite is good speed control as is

[eager saffron]

right

[brazen bay]

alternatively you could go sash flutter and specs chi

Drop one of its coverage moves for twave to lock down other korai

[eager saffron]

ah yes the funny 197 specs bomb

i forgot about him

[chrome sphinx]

I would def use Collsion Course, Koraidon has pretty good bulk even uninvested.

oh wait derpy said it lol

hypothetically if you were gonna use a cholorphyl mon you could use Hisuian Lilligant, but.. I don't really think you need one

since you're getting rid of Shiftry, I'd put Life Orb on Walking Wake @eager saffron

I would also change its EVs a tad bit

I'd consider 4 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe. Lets you get a Speed boost with Protosynthesis

so say a CB Koraidon starts sweeping

you'll actually outspeed it with Walking Wake which is huge imo!

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/2e5090208a870808 can someone help me I know cat isn’t super good rn but tbh that’s the only thing i wanna keep in this team becuz i like the cat

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @prisma elbow, @chrome sphinx, @jolly timber, @brazen bay. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

you might want to consider Toxic Spikes > U-turn on Meowscarada, tbh its actually still usable even if it isn't super good. Its still probably like... the 2nd best offensive Tspiker

only thing is it conflicts with Clodsire and to a lesser extent, Ho-Oh

[west cliff]

what do you mean conflicts?

[chrome sphinx]

I meant conflicing with Yawn and Sacred Fire

to be clear that can make sense anyways, but that usually means you got specific "team modes" depending on what you face

[west cliff]

so add toxic spikes…and should i change anything else?

[chrome sphinx]

hmm this isn't 100% needed but, since you're using defensive Ho-Oh

you could consider Alomomola > Primarina, they even both use AV and Flip Turn!

pretty sure the Alomomola set onsite rn will work well enough even if its outdated

Alomomola + Ho-Oh can be really irritating

[west cliff]

yah i see i’ll try that

i’ll try prima first tho

any other changes?

[chrome sphinx]

just try that for now and see how it goes

[west cliff]

well i don’t have nintendo online yet so should i just test in showdown?

also my evs and tera’s are fine?

[chrome sphinx]

only thing is I'd use the old main analysis spread for Flutter Mane so you can survive Sash Chien-Pao sucker punch from full

[west cliff]

4 HP / 108 Defense / 140 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe with Timid

this?

[chrome sphinx]

yep!

[west cliff]

okay thanks i’ll let you know how it goes on showdown

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/f9d536ac7652423e i changed the team a little bit and it works very well on showdown but is there anything i should change?

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[west cliff]

i also want to keep the cat

and might change primas set

[west cliff]

can anyone help

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/220ec9ee2109065b

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[west cliff]

can someone help me with my team it works really well but i have problems agasint stall teams and porygon 2

i’d wanna change ditto maybe for someone with taunt would be ideal?

[polar sedge]

It's weird that you have no entry hazards but ww on the bird

Also feels like ditto would be your main way of dealing with stuff like cal-s with a boost. So I wouldn't remove.

Maybe make clodsire into av blursa and prima into sub/sd pon. Really helps vs the stall matchup

Idk. This team feels weird. But if it works for you

[west cliff]

i use ww if they try to set up sweep me and clodsire can kinda handle cal-s

[west cliff]

also what’s sub/sd

[polar sedge]

Substitute with Swords dance

[west cliff]

but primarina doesn’t learn sds?

[polar sedge]

You don't want to sd with prima lol

[west cliff]

i’m confused rn

[polar sedge]

Sub/sd pon. Ogerpon

Is what I suggested

Instead of prima

[west cliff]

also should ho oh have eq instead of whirlwind

[polar sedge]

Probably

[west cliff]

what do i do if the stall team toxics me

[polar sedge]

I mean you lead with pon

And sub

Usually they will go dozo but pon can force it to tera

In the event of etern stall, should probably replace ditto with something.

[west cliff]

couldn’t prima do that to?

[polar sedge]

Not as well, no

Sub/horn leech is very good vs defensive teams

And sd etc

[west cliff]

i think i’m going to keep clodsire

also i thought hazards were bad for bss?

am i wrong

[polar sedge]

Rocks are generally good. If it helps vs things you don't like.

Like sturdy spam etc

[west cliff]

so do you think i can keep spikes + stealth rock on clodsire? and then whirlwind ho oh?

no?

[west cliff]

yeah ima rework the team

[brazen bay]

Holy shit is that Kai actually talking in smogcord

[polar sedge]

lol

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/27fc681b6f95f71d

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[west cliff]

anyone know a restricted i should use?

https://pokepast.es/8ea8214652eb26ed

i changed it is this good?

or any improvements?

[little fossil]

Get something to take advantage of rain, or else kyogre won’t really help that much.

[west cliff]

i made the team a bit more rain related

https://pokepast.es/3cd74a879cdc21f3

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[little fossil]

Urshifu rapid strike looks so good here…

Consider that.

[west cliff]

on the team? or against it?

[little fossil]

On the team

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/d06b65dfef0ca245

?

[little fossil]

It wasn’t there before

[west cliff]

yeah but i’m asking is this team good now

[little fossil]

What’s clodsire here for?

[west cliff]

counter miradon

come to think abt it

it’s not rlly helpful

and absorb toxic susrs

users*

[little fossil]

Also, where is your Tera calyrex counterplay?

And what’s meowscarada here for?

[west cliff]

i find to useful to take out a lot of meta mons

[west cliff]

don’t think i have one yet

[little fossil]

Idk what’s av kyo is for, and why are you running timid nature with only 4 investment

[west cliff]

also i like the weed cat

[west cliff]

idk

i couldn’t figure out what to do with him

[little fossil]

It’s also kinda walled by archaludon, as low sweep ain’t strong.

Just a free Archa switch

[west cliff]

i don’t bring the cat if they have archa tho

[little fossil]

Speaking or Archa, it’s a great fit here too, I think.

[west cliff]

i think lowsweep is a three hit ko so it can do pretty good damage before it dies

[west cliff]

for clodsire?

[little fossil]

Yea probably

[west cliff]

u think there are evs and items to change?

[little fossil]

You can search up the analyses I guess, but idk about that.

[west cliff]

like kyocera

kyogre

it’s fine with av?

[little fossil]

Idk, I am just giving out the most obvious ones, for the rest I think the raters are better.

[west cliff]

what are raters?

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/19b8feb3a9dd0f8e

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[west cliff]

i think this is good now

actually i might need lighting resisit

https://pokepast.es/5933e44a2fc3dbf3

there we go

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/244cb055e20017f4

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[west cliff]

this team is working rlly well on showdown are there any big things i need to change?

[little fossil]

Might want some more intricate EVs to live specific hits or outspeed specific mons but idk

[brazen bay]

stellar is literally useless on protean Meowscarada

literally any other Tera would be better with protean

[west cliff]

doesn’t it give double dmg to the grass and dark stab tho

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/4daff915bcbdac36

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[west cliff]

i think i’m finally done

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/c175ca0190394cb1

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[west cliff]

any improvements or is fine

[raw moss]

https://pokepast.es/a72ce31b2cab8d47

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[brazen bay]

will look over it later just thought it was funny that we named our Mirai teams the same thing LOL

[raw moss]

[raw moss]

@brazen bay so whatcha think?

[brazen bay]

For one I’d go payback over fissure on ting. Ruin + follow up attack does plenty without having to rely on the 30%

I also feel like in general your team would benefit from something like a Dnite or Chien-Pao scarf Mirai and Sneasler are good speed control but it’s still really nice to have that priority just in case. I think iron moth and basculegion are the most expendable team members here. Basculegion especially seems kinda mid given that Koraidon is so common and can shut down attempts to get around normal types with sun weakening wave crash significantly. Perhaps some kind of flutter mane and bulky Dragonite over those two would perform better

[raw moss]

so taking your advice, i think this should work nicely

https://pokepast.es/644ae585fc5b2caa

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[brazen bay]

You focus sash slot is open, I’d try that on flutter mane tbh. Really helps the korai matchup, and drop one of the coverage moves for thunder wave.

Its been a while since I’ve seen that Dnite set too lol, lemme know how it works

[raw moss]

yeah been using scale shot Dnite but figured id try it out

i usually play this team https://pokepast.es/c2f26fbf34dbfb75

[brazen bay]

My go to Dnite set is this. It’s super spammable fits in basically any team. If you find that you’re not getting much value out of the clear amulet (charm flutter and Lando t seem to have taken a small hit in usage since reg g started) try lum berry. Would let you more confidently set up in front of stuff like hooh and Toxapex

[brazen bay]

My koraidon team has this exact 6 just with different sets LOL

Though I really think for this team you should go with another item on flutter, booster makes even less sense when you’re bringing your own sun

[raw moss]

yeah maybe specs, i was just worried about having the weather flipped and im screwed lol

[brazen bay]

Flutter still functions just fine outside of sun

Remember it’s the same base speed as Pao and korai

[raw moss]

i changed flutter around on my mirai team to this

[brazen bay]

I’d still go max speed

The Koraidon matchup is no joke, and there are scarf variants. Being able to pressure those is a big deal

[raw moss]

ah okay i think i know what spread to use

[brazen bay]

Koraidon also reeealy likes to run flame charge and scale shot so a +1 koraidon isn’t exactly an uncommon occurrence

[raw moss]

ill prob try this spread out

[brazen bay]

go timid and then yea that works

[raw moss]

cool thanks for your help :) im trying to take ranked more serious since i have more time on my hands lately

[brazen bay]

np :3 if you wanna try your hand at tournaments the BSS Ladder tour just started today, trying to qualify for playoffs might give you some good practice

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/aab21d9ffc064f15

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[west cliff]

can someone help me?

[glossy prawn]

Hi ! How are you all ?
https://pokepast.es/4a130e4739e9f939
Just made my first team on this regulation, had some good success with it.

I wanted to build a team around Choice Miraidon being the main offensive powerhouse (Electro Drift and Draco Meteor are huge), with terra fairy for coverage.
I added a bit of speed control with Iron Bundle
Amoongus is here as a defensive pivot/support, with utility like spore, pretty good at soaking damage.
Dragonite is my setup sweeper, to clean up when needed
Ting-lu was added to provide SR, and chip away some damage.
And Great Tusk was included to round out the team, removing hazards for D-nite, with assault vest to survive some hits and surprise with some KOs.

What do you think ? 🙂

[prisma elbow]

I don't have time to give deep thoughts but overall that team looks alright, however amoonguss seems awkward to use alongside miraidon's electric terrain

Bundle can afford to use a different item too if using miraidon, normally I'd say specs but sash works too since you're specs miraidon

Now the main reason I commented is great tusk is a trap, I wouldn't use it nor would I run hazard removal at all unless it's glimmora who is a special case

[brazen bay]

Sleep w miraidon isn’t completely unheard of. I’ve seen a number of teams that employ Hippowdon and Mirai to decent success, you just gotta be mindful of not clicking your sleep move while terrain is up

[brazen bay]

Tho that bundle set def needs work. That looks like a vgc set lmao. I’d go with encore and substitute after your stabs and Amoonguss could also do with dropping protect, since it doesn’t have something like leftovers to really take advantage of that free turn it gets by protecting. Something like synthesis or foul play would be much more consistently useful in that slot. I’d argue dropping something in general to make room for foul play is a good idea tbh, given that there’s a ton of super powerful physical attackers running around. Throwing out a foul play is a good thing to be able to do anyway to prevent them from just completely bullying your defensive pieces. For Dnite I’d definitely go bulkier since you’re using Espeed and not scale shot. I’d even argue you can drop dragon dance on this set and go with something like encore instead if you want.

In general I think your EVs could do with some optimization. It’s not impossible to get away with simple 252/252 spreads but especially as you climb up the ranks games can often be decided by who spent more time optimizing their EV spreads for exactly what they need (not too long ago I had a game decided by the fact that I invested just enough bulk in my flutter mane to give it a shot to live specs tera Moonblast in the mirror match). Some notable offenders here that I’d definitely look into optimizing are
Dragonite
Ting-Lu
Great Tusk (really most things with AV want at least SOME bulk investment)

Speaking of great tusk, I think it should be cut here. As psynergy said above it’s kind of a noob trap. Its reputation in OU does not translate to bss success in the slightest and if you absolutely need hazard removal (you don’t here, worst case scenario you just slap boots on Dnite and call it a day) then glimmora is the vastly preferred option. I’d recommend finding another Mon for your last slot. There’s a vast array of fantastic AV users, miraidon is in fact one of them. Doing so would make room for Sneasler too which is a great pick for miraidon teams and it honestly kinda seems like a missed opportunity to not have one here.

[glossy prawn]

Just wanted to give a huge shoutout and thank you for the awesome advice on tweaking the team 🙂
The changes you suggested have really made a difference
Thanks a ton for your insights @prisma elbow @brazen bay ! (i don't know if i can ping you, so if i did anything wrong this would be my last, sorry ^^)

[glossy prawn]

I've done some changes to the team thanks to your insights ! I'm not sure about the sets and the use of encore on Dnite, i still need to change that
here is the updated team : https://pokepast.es/686b194e1e1cb591.
Sneezler has been such a good addition here indeed, it performed really well and Dnite is tankier this way which translated to it being able to survive way more

[formal meadow]

Hi I need some advice or suggestions on my latest team for BSS regulation G https://pokepast.es/c529a4c2e0275ef2

[brazen bay]

any particular reason you went harcanine over Dnite

Also a korai team without flutter mane is very yikes

[formal meadow]

Raging Bolt seemed like a good idea at the time but I do have a flutter mane I can use

[formal meadow]

Bc of Raging Bolt and fire gets boosted by the sun

I didn’t want too many Dragon types

[brazen bay]

Dragonite is a strictly better Espeed user and I don’t see what Arcanine brings to this team that Dnite doesn’t. You can use more than one paradox as well, and if you only want to use a single paradox I think going with bolt over flutter is a big mistake, additionally using booster energy on your past paradox is very questionable, given you have a sun setter in Koraidon (which also pairs immensely well with flutter mane both offensively and defensively). Serperior makes no sense here either, Ogerpon-H is a vastly superior fire type on korai teams. I’m not too sure what clodsire is for either. Tera ground makes it quite hard to consistently check ogre since it runs ice beam pretty religiously, as does miraidon w ice tera blast, and not having unaware means Calyrex can pretty easily just boost up to break through it.

W a koraidon team you really don’t need a dedicated Kyogre check and for that reason I personally prefer blursa as a ground type since it’s much more offensively potent while switching into miraidon electric stab just as well

[formal meadow]

Ok I’ll switch Serperior for Ogerpon-H, replace Clodsire with av Ursaluna B, give scizor a rocky helmet but need help with a flutter mane and dragonite set

Actually nvm I have an idea

[formal meadow]

I'm relatively new at competitive Pokemon so here's my revised team: https://pokepast.es/01f44be804dd1dd0 and I couldn't decide what to do for Dragonite and Flutter Mane so here are some ideas I thought of: https://pokepast.es/6a853837cde9d5f5

[brazen bay]

so this is your standard flutter mane set. You can also do specs with a set of
Moonblast
Shadow Ball
Power Gem
Mystical Fire/Perish Song

and this is your standard Dnite set

I actually made a team report on my koraidon team too

So if you’d like I can send you that so you can see how I approached building a Koraidon team

Oh they left sadge

I didn’t see this in time

[zealous pulsar]

here?

[austere pilot]

Yes

Put the Pokepaste to your team here

And someone who knows how to play Battle Stadium Singles well can help you

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[dusty herald]

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[austere pilot]

@zealous pulsar

[zealous pulsar]

Okay

Is my team good?

https://pokepast.es/a8fa6bdf4e50487c

[brazen bay]

no

There’s no restricted, a lot of the items make absolutely no sense and the sets are all either outdated or were never viable to begin with. I would grab a sample team to get a feel for the meta before building something

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-stadium-singles-sample-teams-all-gens.3746122/

[zealous pulsar]

oh ok

[zealous pulsar]

thank you

[half void]

hello! can i find a few team comps + little explain about it anywhere for bss ?:P

[brazen bay]

BSS sample teams https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-stadium-singles-sample-teams-all-gens.3746122/
BSS Viability Rankings https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-bss-viability-rankings-regulation-g.3717293/

[half void]

thanks!

[little fossil]

https://pokepast.es/4c3b523fafef395d
I have no idea what I am doing so I just slapped on a bunch of mons I think are viable, tho unburden sneasler should stay.

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[little fossil]

No more flutter and urshifu, now idk what to do

[fresh mulch]

I need advice on this team; so far things have been good in singles but still I feel like something is off about this team

https://pokepast.es/34aa0c365f2eea7f

This is for online battles in sv btw

[brazen bay]

this team breaks item clause and if it’s for the upcoming ruleset then flutter mane is also illegal

[fresh mulch]

Gotcha

Any pro tips or suggestions to make this team still work

[little fossil]

Bump

The no legends format is real now

[languid obsidian]

Well, here's the team that I came up so far for Reg H: https://pokepast.es/1c59700d9bedcd84

[latent grove]

Had a gimmicky idea for a sticky webs team, but can’t decide on a final member https://pokepast.es/2abf37c3c401537a

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[chrome sphinx]

I got very little exprience with webs this gen but

I guess you could use Jolly Ursaluna, since that usually uses Trailblaze anyways

or a fast Ursaluna-B

those two are both mons a lot of teams usually don't want to get outsped by lol

Ursaluna with +1 or with webs will outspeed up to base 100s

Ursaluna-B I THINK outspeeds Garchomp if you use Timid

[daring nebula]

I dont play bss but

Metagross gets heavy slam now

[chrome sphinx]

idk how much Heavy Slam matters now that Flutter Mane is gone till next year, I'm not familiar with Metagross weights beyond "Ursaluna-B is very heavy"

[daring nebula]

Its only sub 100 bp on ursa bm which it is 40 on but for most targets its 100-120 bp

[latent grove]

https://pokepast.es/ac718d7b4ff26673 made some alterations after playing some games with the team, so metagross is no longer part of the team. But now I’m incredibly weak to Serperior uh oh

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[shrewd shale]

Wish there was a dedicated BSS channel in Smogon.

[latent grove]

We have a dedicated discord server for bss

[shrewd shale]

Awesome.

[latent grove]

https://pokepast.es/adc7ce0c48a984b7 been testing this team a bit, but I’m not really having much success with it on showdown ladder. It could just be me misplaying a ton, but I’m wondering if maybe it’s just too predictable of a team, and what it needs to succeed is more versatility

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[latent grove]

Any advice if any would be greatly appreciated

[little fossil]

Crunch ttar

What

Knock off is right there

Sneasler prolly wants sd in order to actually sweep

Rillaboom isn’t hitting anything with Tera rock blast in this regulation

Uh yeah let’s wait for the raters to arrive for more

[brazen bay]

Volcarona dawg

[little fossil]

Is volcarona really that dominant to get this specific Tera blast

[brazen bay]

Yes

[latent grove]

Sorry i was literally so busy yesterday I couldn’t reply until now! After I sent that paste I started messing around with some things and swapped Hydreigon out for archaludon as my rocks setter, which I really liked to performance of. But then I had 5 ground weaknesses so I swapped ttar for hippo, but idk I think I liked ttar better for matchups into volc, especially since I put uturn back on rilla to support sneasler more

[west cliff]

https://pokepast.es/3c5e651530a72f6d any changes?

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[west cliff]

like item wise or evs

[little fossil]

Do you really need aqua jet in a no flutter mane meta?

[west cliff]

not sure what to replace for it

[little fossil]

Flip turn is an option

[brazen bay]

wym Jet is great on av prim

flip is also good but there’s no reason to replace jet

Like at all

[little fossil]

Hmmmmmmmmm….

I guess it does help in a meta with tons of 1v1s

[west cliff]

so should i change anything?

any big things?

[chrome sphinx]

have you considered Tera Fire > Electric on Meowscarada? That tends to help vs Volcarona. But otherwise usually one of the STABs works out too

[west cliff]

i’ll try that, but how helpful is fire tera blast?

compared to electric tera blast

electric tera gives me bolt beam coverage

idk if i wanna use choice band or focus sash

[latent grove]

https://pokepast.es/cdb06d320e323122 I wanted to make a team using mienshao so I decided to spam switch moves as hard as possible. I was told this style of team was called cycling?

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[latent grove]

For the final member I have a few ideas: which of Hydreigon, volcarona, rotom w, dragapult, or sneasler do you guys think would work best? Or I could test them all?

[plain rose]

Need some advice on how to improve the team: https://pokepast.es/7118e6ef4ec7837b
I was thinking Garganacl can be a great physical wall, aided by Rillaboom's Grassy Terrain
Primarina and Volcarona are the special wall and attacker respectively
And ARchaludon and NinetalesAlola act as the hazard setters

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[chrome sphinx]

I would seriously consider Aqua Jet over either Flip Turn of Psychic Noise on Primarina. Both of those moves are great to be clear, but Aqua Jet often gets around AV Primarina's issue of just BARELY missing out on KOs, also owns Focus Sash mons

I usually get rid of Flip Turn but iirc last time I checked usage, most people get rid of Psychic Noise

This one is very YMMV but I've seen folks run a Speed IV of 18 on AV Primarina to outspeed 4 Spe Ursaluna-B and underspeed other stuff, though I always get paranoid about getting outsped by Kingambit that run a bit of Speed lol

(for Flip Turn)

I wonder if your team might prefer a bulkier Volcarona as well. Don't get me wrong offensive Volc actually works this season, its just when I see max offense with HDB I get the vibe that the player might not be familiar with the bulkier sets, since a lot of offensive volc get rid of HDB!

I personally tend to use 244 HP / 188 Def / 76 Spe Timid, lets you outspeed Dragapult after Quiver Dance so you can either Tera Blast em or Will-O-Wisp em

if you have Wisp, you can also elect to use 244 HP / 84 Def / 180 Spe, loses quite a bit of bulk but it lets you outspeed Annihilape so you can burn them before they Taunt

idk if you need to go faster for bulky volc because I feel like if you're gonna nearly max speed for Hydreigon, might as well go offensive so you can smack that thing with only one boost

hmm also noticed your Primarina has a lot of SpD investment. For AV I think you can get away with 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe, AV Primarina still tends to be pretty offensive at its best

one big exception I can think of is

max Calm SpD AV Primarina does avoid a 2HKO from LO Ursaluna-B before Tera, so it is nice vs TR teams I guess

as I think about it there's probably a smarter spread out there for AV Primarina but Im not sure what it is

I know max HP Modest AV avoids a OHKO from Tera Normal Silk Scarf Ursaluna-B after SR at least

(also survives Vacuume Wave after Tera Normal Blood Moon)

[plain rose]

Thanks @chrome sphinx for reponding to my team review
I do have a question about Volcarona
Why does Offensive Volcarona get rid of heavy duty boots? Does it not risk them from falling to Stealth Rock Damage?
And does the bulky volcarona usually include Quiver Dance, Fiery Dance, Morning Sun and Giga Drain/ Tera Blast/Will-O-Wisp?

[chrome sphinx]

Some of them carry it but basically if Volcarona gives up recovery to get more offensive, it usually comes in pretty late game or it revenge kills something, so its not something you want to hard switch into stuff like the bulkier sets

and yeah you've got the bulky set right!

funnily enough I am updating the Volcarona analysis onsite as we speak for Regulation H LOL, so if you want I can highlight you when that's up tonight

[plain rose]

Thanks @chrome sphinx
I actually relaised the problem is quality of my grass coveragey
Most top mons weak to grass have high defence like Garganacl or Dondozo, they may shrug it off
I do have volcarona with Giga Drain, but then I can't use Tera Blast Fairy against Dragonite or Dragapult

Might sound crazy, but what if I had Meowscarda as an alternative to Rillaboom
Like Leaf Storm, U Turn, Triple Axel and Knock Off
It could deal with both Grass Weak mons and Dragons

[chrome sphinx]

@plain rose Volcarona just got its update if you want a crash course on the mon. Stuff is subject to change cuz Regulation H is only a little over 2 weeks old, but this should be a good start! https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/volcarona/battle-stadium-singles/

[plain rose]

I see, I'll take a look at it when I have a chance
Thanks Theorymon for your help

[raw ferry]

https://pokepast.es/d2b9966ebb4489ac

[flint vessel]

https://pokepast.es/8ec7c1ee07a2ef10 I want to build around loaded dice chomp, any advice?

[split falcon]

oh

Im Kyle everyone else is who I can go against

here is the regulation if that was needed

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/rankedbattle/regulationh.shtml

[split falcon]

if somebody could help with a team

[brazen bay]

I don’t know what this ruleset y’all are playing with is but the list of mons it seems you want to use has like maybe 2 good ones so I don’t really think you’ll be able to build a satisfactory team with that

this thread is also for help with mostly completed teams, not just having us build a team for you

[violet umbra]

Hello! Can I get some help for my BSS team I made.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/need-some-suggestions-for-my-team.3758130/

[chrome sphinx]

oh sorry I was pretty sick yesterday, lemem take a look!

[violet umbra]

No worries and thanks! I modified it a lot from the original post and I'm feeling a lot more confident about it. Espeon is still my sore spot

ChatGPT said I need a special sweeper to deal with fairies and dragons 😂

[little fossil]

Lmao

Idt ChatGPT is any good at building teams tbf

[plain rose]

Is chatgpt even reliable in the first place

[violet umbra]

At a high level it made good points but there were errors in the details. It was fun though

[weak canyon]

Hi

[little fossil]

Ok, where is the pokepaste

[flint vessel]

https://pokepast.es/a5ac81c10f47a036

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @chrome sphinx. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

This seems like it could work to me! Only concern is Koraidon seems like a rough match-up even tho its not an unbeatable one

if I'd consider replacing anything, I'd consider using a bulkier Scizor or just not a CB one so Koraidon doesn't set up on Scizor as easily

alternately you could use Landorus-T, though since Miraidon is using AV that's gonna make the Flutter Mane match-up tougher

[warped wraith]

Hi, first time posting, but this team feels fun and got me to at least Great Ball tier at time of posting (especially once I get the dang shards for tera fairy Bolt.

https://pokepast.es/dfc5b529e4830e7b

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @chrome sphinx. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cedar eagle]

https://pokepast.es/1c178e0ccb13c4aa

trying to make a team around kyogre. Any help appreciated

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @chrome sphinx. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

I'm concerned about that Koraidon match-up there. At the very least I'd consider replacing Taunt with Thunder Wave on that Flutter Mane, and maybe using a bulkier Landorus-T

Twave Flutter Mane is the big one tho

[cedar eagle]

i tried taunt cause i was having a lot of problems against teams with many stat boosts

maybe i can use landorus for it

[chrome sphinx]

you could also try out Hippowdon, not as versatile as Landorus-T but it has good synergy with Kyogre and helps against Koraidon

[cedar eagle]

the problem is what to do with landorus, cause sitrus berry is on archaludon and AV on rillaboom

[chrome sphinx]

and yeah I realzie that would break Flutter Mane's sash

could use Rocky Helmet Landorus-T

[cedar eagle]

what about landorus's set?

[weak canyon]

You could try max hp and max def Lando with rocky helmet

When you build a team for regulation G, here is the tip:

strategies against meta: Calyrex-S, Miraidon, Koraidon.

Toxic spikes team solutions ( Lugia, Lunala etc. )

Your own strong strategy that can win the match.

[coral totem]

https://pokepast.es/d924c6a0beed9648 Kyurem-W team, having trouble getting out of rank 10.

[little fossil]

Let’s go default Tera types

Ok in all seriousness some Tera types need to be tweaked, but that is a very minor thing compared to the other problems

[coral totem]

love to hear about them

[weak canyon]

Hi

[weak canyon]

If you do not use Calyrex-S, Miraidon, winning will be difficult

However, Master ball run is easy. Follow these steps.

1. Use Smeargle.
2. Thunder wave for smeargle setup
3. Baton pass
4. Master ball

(please do not use X when you try these steps, you may get many angry DMs from the Japanese players.)

If you want to see what people used during season 26, you should try this website

https://sv.pokedb.tokyo/trainer/list?season=26&rule=0&name=

It's Japanese so, you have to use translation if you do not speak Japanese

[flint vessel]

https://pokepast.es/de96d1ea8e3709fd

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @chrome sphinx. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[weak canyon]

Thunder wave?

[formal meadow]

Rate my BSS Regulation I build it’s been a minute since I’ve played any help would be appreciated https://pokepast.es/a87079a11d9e9766

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @chrome sphinx. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome sphinx]

I would legit consider Close Combat on that Koraidon. Not that Collision Course is bad or anything, its just this team seems so HO to me that Close Combat makes more sense.

tbh I wonder about a bulkier Ogerpon-H too if only because Ursaluna-B being the one Flutter Mane switch-in with bulk concerns me a bit

[formal meadow]

Would Rillaboom be a better choice over OH?

The only issue is I already have UB using vest

[last atlas]

Is my BSS Reg I team decent? https://pokepast.es/639b6b92f96c18e4

[dusty herald]

New [Gen 9] BSS RMT @chrome sphinx. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[weak canyon]

There is no problem hitting the MB tier.
However if you want to win easily, some modifications are necessary.

[last atlas]

What should i change?

[weak canyon]

I think Kingambit is a bit of a waste of the space. Koraidon + Dondozo + Caly shadow seems fine, but the other 3 need to be replaced.

Dondozo wave crash <- waterfall

Wave crash is way way better