Old Gens OU

[gritty scaffold]

and mie has thunder

[worldly walrus]

yea jelli is only on

skarm jelli ho or stall

[undone dagger]

im overwhelmed lol i just started gen 5 today

[gritty scaffold]

its fine

[worldly walrus]

i recommend looking at samples and the vr

[undone dagger]

but I guess ill remove alakzam and jellicent/

guess ill remove dragonite and gyara too

[worldly walrus]

Alakazam is typically only on sand

it can be used in other archetypes, but def not rain

[undone dagger]

my home is gen 4

I was just seeing what g5 is like.

[worldly walrus]

yeah gen 5 is a lot different

i recommend the thundy-t pick

[undone dagger]

I might just try gen 4

because wow

theres a lot.

[gritty scaffold]

they just play very differently

[worldly walrus]

i mean this is the same for every tier

there will always be big differences

[undone dagger]

Mhm

[gritty scaffold]

yeah but more so like

idt any other gen is as offensive as gen 5

to the point where stall is actually very fishy

[worldly walrus]

funnily enough

imo stall is funnest to play in gen 5

[gritty scaffold]

like you can probably build stall in most gens and it will work

yeah it is

[worldly walrus]

but ur right tho yeah

[gritty scaffold]

but its still a huge mu fish

[undone dagger]

Gen 4 in my experience

As well

[quasi umbra]

Holy shit ur rt

[quasi umbra]

I lose ice type coverage doing that

I no longer have icy wind, now I’m back to struggling with ground types

Specifically ground types lik garchomp, and sugared

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/69e7c04420506ebc

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

For chomp just switch to serp, u have rest chesto and tbh chomp can't do much
As for thund, it is still very much playable tbh

Just do some smart switches and u can handle thund as well

[quasi umbra]

Census was also a huge issue

Venasaur

Also wanted to ask is choice scarf volcanion better here or bulky substitute volcanion smarter

[quasi umbra]

Like I maybe wanna change up this team is power up punch Metagross better here like it is or is all out attacker better? Like I really want Metagross to be th stud on this team

[opal beacon]

pup is fine, if u really really want ice coverage

U can do ice punch

[quasi umbra]

What about volcanion is the choice scarf set or is the bulky set better for this team

[limpid ermine]

are trick room teams in gen 5/6 usually hard to use?

[quasi umbra]

is clefable a better teamate than landorus T on the team i sent?

https://pokepast.es/c2d06ad37ef972c1

is clefable viable or should i just go back to landorus T

[quasi umbra]

i got an honest question why tf was metagross banned in gen 7

[rare herald]

the mega speed mechanic change, and good matchup vs tapus

it's already arguably the best mon in gen 6

[quasi umbra]

but like it could be still walled by slowbro and bulky waters like normal

just for it to be at the literal bottom of ubers

[rare herald]

something having a counter doesn't automatically mean it's healthy for the meta. dachsbun walls koraidon, doesn't mean it's balanced in sv zu.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sm-ou-suspect-process-round-4-the-robots-metagrossite-banned.3602385/

[opal beacon]

U are forced to run a metagross check every game, that's not healthy

It also beats his checks

Like with tpunch on meta

pex drops to zen

Lando drops to ice punch

Meteor does a lot to everything

And the speed mechanics make it broken

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/21638531794e3a24

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quasi umbra]

rate my team im still tryna figure it out

im tryna emphasize metagrosses and tyranitars strengths i want them to be the stars of the team

im open to many mon swaps but only moveset changes to ttar and metagross (as well as ev changes)

i really wanna make these two work together

i want bulky offense

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/0024f9f5430b0f37

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @tawny egret, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

insta loses to aero and ttar

[tawny egret]

This isn’t far off from something decent tbh. I think you want a more sturdy water over cloy to help vs mixed threats like Mence, Zard, etc such as suicune. you can prob do rest surf beam cm or sub cm, also I think you’d get more out of a curse 3attacks set on lax and use as a breaker/sweeper depending on the game state. Something like curse slam/dedge eq and sball would work. I’d also recommend sunny day Zard here actually this is kinda the perfect type of structure for weather clear. I’ve used a very similar 6 just lead gar so I could boom tar 1 and dug it.
This was mine for reference :

https://pokepast.es/4bb210a5bd93650f

[fringe radish]

Gen 5 ou sun team, got to the point where i dont want to change anything since it all serves a role.

https://pokepast.es/1a5d5393dee93091

[upper plume]

This is legit just a sand team but with a Ninetales and an Espeon

and also is a bit weak to Keldeo

[gritty scaffold]

I think this just loses to zam straight up

Oh yh and rak , ho might nuke this

Sun you kinda need to be extremely offensive or stall

[fringe radish]

zam? "5 ou sun team"

[fringe radish]

psychic on lati covers, sun reduces scald damage, ninetales usually a safe switch in to gobble an attack, skarmory can come in after.

havent had much problem with keldeo, opposing heatran is a bit more of a pain

[gritty scaffold]

Yes the team is weak to alakazam

Nothing here switches well into focus hp fire which isnt uncommon

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/d64764f8b706589e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quasi umbra]

Ttar and Metagross core

Gen 6

Struggling a lot with taunt teams especially, talon flame

[quasi umbra]

I adjusted it with moon blast instead of flamethrower, recover instead of psyshock, and then do zapdos gave him rocky helmet, and added heal bell instead of thunder wave

[fringe radish]

ah, well any pointers?

[gritty scaffold]

You mean to like how improve the team?

Idt you should be using sun if you are new to the tier

[fringe radish]

im not new

been playing the tier for a while

[gritty scaffold]

Oh really

Well your team would need to be changed alot

Even then its kinda hard to

Bc sun is bottom of bottom of niche

[fringe radish]

hmm

[gritty scaffold]

Idk id recommend just read the bw forums and try cook something from there

No one in this server cooks sun teams bc sun is just bad more often than not

[karmic geyser]

OverUsed (Gen 5)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Simple questions, simple answers
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[gritty scaffold]

Bw hub in particular

Post in thread 'BW OU Hub' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-hub.3666724/post-10774975 theres this team a goat spl player made that can work

Of sun tr

[fringe radish]

ya know thats always bugged me a bit, i more wanted insight in my choices and why they were good/bad... tryna learn how to teambuild better

[gritty scaffold]

The mons are good by most part exceptions being ninetales and espeon they are rly bad

Sun is just a weird playstyle

As tbolt stated that team is literraly just a sand team with ninetales and espeon over something like ttar , celebi or ferro over ninetales and espeon maybe i dunno

[fringe radish]

espeon is a personal choice, i could switch ninetales with ttar i suppose, but i like using magic bounce.

[gritty scaffold]

Xatu is just better always

[fringe radish]

i thought of xatu, but weak to rock is annoying

[gritty scaffold]

But ur team is weak to keldeo

[fringe radish]

not really, i handled keld fine

[gritty scaffold]

Even on rain?

[fringe radish]

ninetales

[gritty scaffold]

Idk i feel like ur prob facing bad players

[fringe radish]

perhaps

i can switch out ninetales with ttar but i fear that would make me even weaker to keldeo

[gritty scaffold]

Hence why i said with a celebi over espeon

Or maybe rotom w

You prob want brave bird over toxic on skarm tho

[fringe radish]

depends on matchup, i find having bravebird is pointless sometimes, just like toxic

i prefer toxic for the meantime

[gritty scaffold]

Fair enough

Giving free turns to zam is bad though

[fringe radish]

and i like being able to turn off rain, i could run sunny day but that costs a move.

[fringe radish]

true

rotom w over espeon is an idea i like though

and having another pivot would be nice

i can make it special defense bulk.

that being said, i just ignore hazards at that point....

ill try rotom w instead of espeon for a while

......but celebi is a good idea too though, stab solarbeams.....

alright, im running celebi on thunderwave to switched skar to brave bird again

[fringe radish]

didnt like that. gonna try ttar rotom w

like this better.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/1e016fc00a0df079

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

Weak to ash gren

[opal beacon]

Cele gets eq

btw

Pretty sure

And also this is an ho
U are gonna get owned by it anyways

Only play would be the keep kart healthy enough to not die to shuriken

Will tell more later

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/ca18096003c302b7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[velvet mural]

yo, cool team, but i think the team is too weak to weavile. i recommend to change the latios for something, like maybe keldeo

[quasi umbra]

Funnily enough I’ve been great at dealing with weavile, I just can’t decide between a bullet punch set for metagross or the meteor mash set, the meteor mash set has won me more games but that’s if my shit hits, and the main problem I’ve ran into was pursuit trapping alakazam, I got hit by like 15 focus blasts in a row at one point

Latios has been my answer to bulky waters because Metagross struggles bad against them, as well as both ttar and excadrill,

I’ve just been struggling with pivoting so much an clefable is a great cleric, it’s just I wish I could run like 5 moves on it, because I really want acces to knock off or taunt to deal with stall teams but I can’t like run knock off on clefable as my main damaging move or is that okay?

Like I’ve been struggling with either taking thunder punch or the ice punch, or should I take bullet punch instead I’ve meteor to deal with weavile

[quasi umbra]

I think I have an answer, psyshock on latios instead of defog, remove hammer arm add bullet punch on metagross, Keep clefable as is,

[topaz matrix]

Heya, im looking to do a run of Orre Colusseum in pokemon XD using a monotype grass selection of pokemon! does anyone have a good idea for team and pokemons that would be good, i know venusaur and breloom are must haves but im still not exactly sure what movesets or EVs they should have
https://pokepast.es/e1d35e5679354611
some ideas i have

[civic spade]

Cradily is really the only option for a normal resist, and Ludicolo you’ll want as your only water option, plus has great doubles utility.

Monotype isn’t a super explored format in general 3, let alone for orre specifically but this might be useful for you to reference: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-monotype-megathread.3775235/

[topaz matrix]

i see i see thank you, yeah its a bit trickier cuz these are singles no items clause + no celebi

buttt

theres good stuff in here

[sour warren]

Anyone got good teams that can center around mega gardevoir?

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/8c8c2646016132d1

[sour warren]

Does this change by generation?

[opal beacon]

If u want to use it in gen 7 don't
Bcoz garde got nerfed

[quasi umbra]

i mean like what gen are u playing

[opal beacon]

It's only strong in gen 6

[sour warren]

Ah k

That’s for Gen 6 then yeah?

[upper plume]

Yes

[opal beacon]

Yea

[sour warren]

👍

[opal beacon]

There are prolly more
I can get u 2-3 later when I am on pc

which I won't be for uhh till 15th

Just ping me after that

[sour warren]

Would hyper beam be worth it on gardevoir at all? Curious

[opal beacon]

Ehh I wouldn't use it tbh
U don't need it

Hyper voice
Psychock
And focus are all 3 very strong moves

Taunt is for chansey cress etc
And u could even run willowisp if u want

[limber stone]

[opal beacon]

Oh yea

[sour warren]

What about mystical fire?

[opal beacon]

Yea I don't think u can solve that one tbh
Maybe go kommo>chomp

[sour warren]

That good for anything?

[opal beacon]

Mystical u are running for
Ferro exca zone skarm
It wouldn't even kill spdef exca I think
And then u get walled by heatran so it's better to just run focus

[opal beacon]

@limber stone

That helps as well

Kommo solves the gren weakness and it is good on ho anyways

[limber stone]

alr

[sour warren]

I see

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/e2792a22ebc39896

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

maybe swampert can be a starmie

[strong lagoon]

Team is indeed weak to hazards, status and skarm, i dont know if starmie would feat well here, i feel like theres little synergie, i understand the idea of early boom on skarm or u turn scizor on skarm to gives an entry to zap, but thats weak to sr, that zapdos set has some potential vs stall though, i dont have calc under my eyes, u should run it modest if its needed to 2hko clef, maybe with donphan over swampert (max HP assurance and some att for ghost, that + pursuit can do well) some off donphan faster than clef can do well. Id prob run sash over Lum on meta simply because u dont switch well from heatran if u remove pert (ddtar can switch, but u dont want to play it early).
Theres also the option of magneton over zap, if u wanna keep pert, and this might be enough for lati to be specs... Not sure.
Overall off zap still has some trouble in the meta, its pretty weak to blissey and twave or jira bslam, it isnt enough to beat def lati overall, so its not the greatest off mon ever in the méta, still at least here it has hwish to support it, i guess u wanna make some holes and finish with ddtar.

Btw potentially if u have enough att, superpower is more consistent on pert

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/09ac89466d906ec3 something like this?

attack on donphan 2hkos clef w/ eq

spdef

[strong lagoon]

Yeah this seems ok, maybe u can put twave over flash cannon in order to para Jirachi, since flash cannon is mostly for ddtar and ure okay vs it with scizor and donphan, maybe u need Latias modest? Since this is a very offensive team with not a lot of switchs and u want fast big damages. Dépends of how u feel vs infernape

Its your only fight and water resist so i might be wrong on that

Depending of how u feel it in tests vs off starmie or mach punchs u could put a resist berry on ttar

[strong lagoon]

Tested it fastly https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-2581446764-rwyfc3rcj3pryts0shdim82ptd7v0hwpw its prob a bit hard against water spam

Honestly if u wanna use it in tour adapting it against your oppos style with passho berry on ttar is possible

Though ddtar survive most pump anyway

Thinking about it maybe an offensive starmie would be okay over donphan as u proposed earlier, im not a huge fan on off starmie on those builds cause even if it resists fighting and water its not bulky enough to be good enough usually, and def mie doesn't rly fit in those kinds of teams, so as u prefer.

[limber stone]

yea i think passho tar is good here

[sour warren]

Is this for singles or doubles btw?

[upper plume]

Singles

[quasi umbra]

Singles

[undone dagger]

what are donphans speed EVs for?

Btw

I like focus sash metagross too.

But I run it with max speed and no bulk.

you can 2HKO things like empoleon and OHKO non timid heatran and all magnezone with Jolly.

[strong lagoon]

mostly outspeeding clef

[undone dagger]

Gotcha

To 2HKO with Earthquake im guessing

[sour warren]

Kinda wanna try out potentialmon

Anyone have a team where he doesn’t get priority diffed?

Aka beedrill

[quasi umbra]

Shuckle lead with sticky web and maybe a screen setter

Would be ur best bet

Hey ca anyone help me with filling out teamates for this Bulky Offense for Gen 6 OU

The core I have rt now is Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Zen Headbutt
• Meteor Mash
• Hammer Arm
• Ice Punch
  And either this set for Ttar

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stone Edge
• Crunch
• Superpower
• Pursuit
  Or this set

Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 80 Def / 180 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Stone Edge
• Pursuit
• Ice Beam

I need help filling out teamates and deciding on a set

[quasi umbra]

If anyone ca help I have some ideas, amoongus, tornados, obv excadrill, serperior or rotom wash, I just don’t know

[dense thorn]

https://pokepast.es/4c7272b002a7cd5a

Hi there, lovelies, good evening
Here’s a team (SSOU) I thought would be fun, but I’m not sure if I made a big mistake when putting it together. I’ve only played with my friends and the results were pretty mixed. Does anyone have any tips or thoughts? Love to you all

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @tender coral, @fickle tulip. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/1e0647c321b9bdc3 please would love help optimizing this team

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tender coral]

hey there, I think these changes would make your team more competitive in your games with friends : https://pokepast.es/8e73771175883da3

the quintet of Kartana/Weavile/Zapdos/Landorus/Volcanion is a pretty proven core

you'd usually see Melmetal here but Heatran is also very interesting as the bulky steel on these offensive structures

just needs heavy slam to beat fairies reliably

you do end up being weaker to Pult this way but that's the name of the game with offence

[dense thorn]

Thanks, sweetie. To be honest, I’ve never tried Weavile with CB, among other new setups for my repertoire.
Thanks again for your time. Love.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/a102de13af11c342

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[velvet mural]

hey there, I think these changes would make your team more competitive in your games with friends :

i think flamethrower is better on clefable since its more accurate

not sure what is the 32 hp and 48 spdef for, is that to tank a flamethrower from opps clef? because u already tank it
don't forget to add the points for metagross in some bulk

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/c69e6fddb2346549 still feels bad

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @tender coral, @fickle tulip. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

This seems fine tbh

[quasi umbra]

i changed up the team quite a bit https://pokepast.es/60281241656cf790 any other moves or adjustments you would make?

[velvet mural]

i would remove superpower from lando and put stone edge for sure

also i would remove twave clef and put flamethrower just for the excadrills in the meta

[quasi umbra]

any other adjjustments youd reccomend?

[velvet mural]

nah i think that's good

[quasi umbra]

this i think has been my best team period i do struggle against swift swim teams and garss types

but overall great

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/f6a0b646d1451e99 does this suck?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

yeah apprnantly weavile and any knock off users destroys this thing

[velvet mural]

Hi broski,

like you said thats true, weavile or any knock off will ruin your day even tho you have a colbur berry on latias and bullet punch on metagross its really hard to play against weavile, also really hard to play against ferrothorn in my opinion , since it can leech seed protect / whip most of ur team , its so annoying, having to defog ur own rocks and opponent hazards to get in volcarona safely to pressure him isn't the best idea in my opinion, i would recommend you to switch manaphy to keldeo, might be the best option for a fix while maintaining the same structure you build here

[river prism]

https://pokepast.es/9a3a79feb2d8c476 yoo i was trying to build this Double Flying Mega Pinsir team. Double hazard weak mons ik but I like the greed.

Tried testing it out in oras cup tour but it kinda flopped https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen6ou-2587457003

^prolly will guess it’s due to my plays rather than the team since I did have a decent MU into this

[wheat timber]

weavile feels annoying

[river prism]

Hmm probably, zero dark resist. I’m relying on physdef rotom & talonflame to check it

[wheat timber]

knock off especially feels annoying

[wheat timber]

rotom being your only physdef will get chipped by time if it's close to half it dies to a knock off

from banded at least

[river prism]

Ig

Latias feels kinda mid here I wonder if I can get a dark resist that accomplishes the same thing with defog and such

[wheat timber]

the only mons that resist dark and have defog are weak to ice, manda and toge

[river prism]

Oh that’s actually nice

Curious would dnite be the fogger here?

[limber stone]

scarf drill band nite

[river prism]

??? Oh

I was thinking you would need double removal on those types of teams

[limber stone]

taunt azelf counts

[river prism]

Oh so it’s just HO basically

[limber stone]

yea

[river prism]

K ic

[wheat timber]

aren't teams like this should play really face-paced or they will be doomed?

[river prism]

Yea that’s what HO is

[river prism]

https://pokepast.es/36209ba67df6aff4 tried making MEDICHAM balance. Basically the idea is status spam with amoongus spore, clefable Twave and heatran lava plume burn then use that to clean with either manaphy Scor or MEDICHAM

Oras btw

[limber stone]

Teams too slow

[wheat timber]

it's really especially determental since rocks absolutely destroy the team

[wheat timber]

either I'm blind or there is no hazard control

[river prism]

@velvet mural if you can rate it would be appreciated

[velvet mural]

sure

[velvet mural]

it's a nice team i would say but the big issue with that team is the speed, medicham and manaphy on 299 makes u takes free eq's from lando or excadrill at anytime, even tho gliscor having some bulk with agility to get 528, i found it not very easy to sweep with it, because u need 1 sd and 1 agility to outspeed and kill 1hko thundurus for example

+2 156 Atk Gliscor Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def 30 IVs Thundurus: 302-356 (101 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

spore amoonguss might give you a chance to do such a thing against some low elo players but i believe in high elo ladder for example or tournaments, you will get outspeed by alot and players will be able to take advantage of ur team, sticky barb clef is very interseting with that set, honestly im not sure how would u be able to kill talonflame if ur manaphy is dead or low, healing wish makes that possible but what if the talonflame had taunt, which most of them run atm in the meta, idk, i probably need to play with the team more to understand it tho, i just looked at it, if u can write the thought process behind the team in an RMT thread that would help others to play with the team for sure.

still its a very nice unique team i would say. goodjob o/

volcarona seems like a big issue for the team specially with the lum berry also btw.

[river prism]

Fair enough, I should probably make both jolly as a start, and I will see from there.

Btw about volc, wouldn’t Heatran check volcarona or would volc just hp ground heatran and cook me

[velvet mural]

hp ground flamethrower gigadrain is most likely what u will see

[river prism]

Yea makes sense

[velvet mural]

nasty plot thundurus also can sweep the team 1v6

[river prism]

You think heatran living a hit then roaring out & amoongus spore can play around np thundy?

[velvet mural]

will send u a game i just played, nasty plot focus blast 1hko the heatran, check ur dm

[undone dagger]

https://pokepast.es/c2f9e1655b834a4b

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong lagoon]

i mean it's a particular team, some slow breakers but not a lot of para to support them, lots of spikes weak mons with some mons having a lots of survivablity, looks like you're trying to make a balance with a def core being jira rotom but they don't support that well your offensive core,if u rly wan't to go into a balance style, u could have a wish u turn fire punch iron head jira already in order to pass some wish to hariyama and pivot on it and start breaking stuff, rather than doubling on fighting immunity like latias and rotom u could have one def latias with thunder wave (more reliable to spread para than rotom discharge) and u prob want some kind of spinner, like starmie and donphan (starmie would bring some much needed twave), the thing is those teams kinda need a pursuiter so u'd need to replace something (camerupt for sr ttar?) fera is a pretty average mon but if u wanna play it with those changes we brought u could maybe either keep sd but with a little bit more bulk and less speed now that u have para, or life orb and with more coverage

[undone dagger]

Yeah (sorry, I had to read it twice)

[strong lagoon]

we talked on pm and i showed him a version

[lone harbor]

Hi again, https://pokepast.es/168a1286d404f0ae

I made a different team since I haven't played for a long time

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong lagoon]

team is okay a few points: lead bronzong here accomplish very little against a lot of the metagame, it gives almost free entry to starmie/every steel, very dangerous with all the magnezone and the substitute mons. seeing u have no spinner or way to prevent early stealth rock, sash on ttar makes little sense. 3rd point is u have no water resist and some mons that gives him an entry.

bronzong lead could be more offensive with explosion earthquake though it has little support here, very different leads can be decent here, azelf empoleon (which would give a water resist.

depends of what lead u wanna use, but having latias over gengar so as to have a water resist could be interesting

ttar could be lum, or even pasho if u still feel water weak with a bronzong lead or with a different lead.

[lone harbor]

Yes, I generally noticed a problem with fire, the funny thing is that I used to use the Pokemon Ninjask, so I then replaced it with Tyranitar

[strong lagoon]

it's a decent switch to heatran indeed

btw not sure u need rock slide with ice punch

eq makes more sense for jirachi heatran

[lone harbor]

Overall, I should replace Bronzong with Empoleon, it’s funny that I used Empoleon before, but I didn’t like it for some reason :")
Actually, you're right :0

Although there are quite a lot of options

[undone dagger]

focus blast over sludge bomb

[north sapphire]

Hello, I'd like some help with a gen 8 ou Primarina BO: https://pokepast.es/ab837c62010a9e8c

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @tender coral, @fickle tulip. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong lagoon]

Yeah lol, didn't pay attention to that

[limber stone]

zapdos and pult mu is pretty bad

[north sapphire]

What should I change?

[undone dagger]

I only MAYBE put sludge bomb on a life orb set

[fringe radish]

oh hey buddy

i finally made it to 1300 lol

[north sapphire]

Who are ya?

[lone harbor]

https://pokepast.es/44fd55b9098556c6

I've changed my team a bit, but I plan to change Heatran to
Infernape with a set of special attacks and nasty plot

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong lagoon]

U wanna change it i guess, but if u wanna play magma storm on heatran u prob wanna run taunt with it or even explosion as that combo allow u to beat spdef walls (if Magma hit), if u wanna change it for nape why not but Lucario and nape without pursuit support might bé too much, and u could have crunch on Lucario without pursuit, cm Latias has evs that works on stall but is a bit passive on an offense, u can play it more offensively like max speed max spa cm tbolt draco meteor surf, HP fire HP fighting is possible, u can play it colbur if ure afraid of ttar or Lum, alternatively u can play specs latias, i feel like jira and flygon kinda double on their role a fast jira 328speed with the coverage u want and u turn to set in your threats is possible. Alternatively aerial ace is not the best on flygon, outside of breloom its useless, tpunch for gyara is probably better.

[lone harbor]

Thank you, I will improve the team uwu

[strong lagoon]

HP fire Latias is modest usually cause it makes u lose 1speed

[paper wagon]

How’s this one

https://pokepast.es/0bc7b9a24308f732

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

Eh this is the german version of xtra but stick to the original sets

Go water z

Don't think grass z has much useage tbh

Only for rotom and maybe fini

But eh tbh it's not that bad

[paper wagon]

ok, ty

[opal beacon]

could consider

LO>specs

on koko

roost, dazzling, tbolt, hp ice

and spikes on greninja

other stuff is fine

maybe ice punch>bullet but thats ur call

[paper wagon]

I’ll try these ones, ty for the suggestion

[opal beacon]

np

[dense thorn]

https://pokepast.es/d5522861fcdb3f78

My dears... lol
Have I had an idea? Or is it rubbish?
I’m not sure if it’s original either, my apologies. I was just chatting with a friend and we came up with it.
A kiss in advance to the diva reading this – you’re amazing, sweetie ♡

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @tender coral, @fickle tulip. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense thorn]

Cheers to you, Slowpoke fan, and best wishes to your lovely family – your latest tips were a huge help.
Thanks again.

[limber stone]

Teams too slow

[dense thorn]

Kartana scarf?

[tender coral]

hm I think you'd get a lot more mileage out of this team by replacing Victini with Weavile and Goltres with Zapdos

Melm -> Heatran would also be nice

also consider this: https://pokepast.es/e20e38e9c99023d7

[limber stone]

Looks very familiar

[tender coral]

@eager fulcrum

[dense thorn]

I see.

[eager fulcrum]

Hehe

[undone dagger]

How do you get the role to be pinged for old gens ou teams

[river prism]

I think you have to be a rater to get those pings

[undone dagger]

Do you know how to

[river prism]

Ask one of the staff

[undone dagger]

Ok

[quasi umbra]

https://pokepast.es/6e73979ddc78f06a been messing around with a metagross and hydreigon team what yall think

[karmic geyser]

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[velvet mural]

Hi very nice to hear that you enjoying the team , but I wonder how do you switch to weavile with that team, seems like a pretty weavile weak imo

[quasi umbra]

yeah it is pretty weavile weak i prettyy much live and die by bullet punch any teamate swaps youd suggest?

i like was building the core of clefable hydreigon and metagross and then after that i was stuck

im tryna like do bulky offense but i keep on doing full offense yknow

[quasi umbra]

aorry meant to reply

[velvet mural]

If you wanna keep the bulky offensive style I would suggest adding a keldeo so you can switch on weavile

[quasi umbra]

switch who for keldeo

also i though tornadus would be a good teamate or tangela but is seperior just better tna tangela

also volcanion but that adds another ground weakness

volcarona i considered but thats more hyper offense at that point

[quasi umbra]

So who would work best

[tender coral]

@dense thorn hey one of my SSCL players used the team this week and won! https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sscl-i-week-7.3781550/post-10972962

seems to function pretty well

[upper plume]

where is my wigdeter emote

[dense thorn]

That's brilliant, darling
He won some sort of prize, lol
I hope you had fun

[limber stone]

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/711e0a42df19f9ad

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

seems fine

serp could be annoying

[opal beacon]

wait

wtf is yache berry on kommo

@limber stone

[ionic lark]

Struggling against rocks 🙁
last 2 mons can be changed playing on draft im new to team building
https://pokepast.es/99df21b547806c38

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

ngl this team needs to much changes I cant rate it properly

if u are need to building

I suggest loading samples

get used to the meta/teams etc

and then try building

building teams is not that easy especially in sm ou where one has to consider a lot of things

so def try some samples, look at the vr

read the analyses and then try building again

[limber stone]

Why not

[molten jay]

https://pokepast.es/e66670a947f543c8

did i cook

gen 7 OU

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/c23b9b075e8e4090 does this suck?

[gloomy vector]

is this too bad for gen 3 guys? https://pokepast.es/4a929146ab1d879b

[opal beacon]

Nah that sucks

And makes no sense

[opal beacon]

Nope

Use samples bcoz again this would need lot of fixing and it's better to get accustomed to the format first

Examples where u messed up would be
Not running focus blast on zard for heatran
Expert belt weav doesn't exist
Gliscor set is bad/weird

[opal beacon]

No real way of dealing with latias

It's always gonna come in on zard and switch out easy

If it has twave then it's gonna do that and leave the field

Vs heatran

Won't stay in

[limber stone]

ice beam gren?

also idk what item otherwise

cuz zmove is taken

lefties doesnt do much

and life orb on kommo-o sounds bad

[opal beacon]

Not enough reason tbh

Maybe kommo doesn't work then

But with no kommo u are weak to ash gren

[limber stone]

so what now

[wheat timber]

damn 😭

[opal beacon]

idk maybe go z on kommo and switch the gyra for something else

yache kommo is a waste

[wheat timber]

is there any way helping with that?

[opal beacon]

go toxic and rocks on gliscor

and make sure to double switch ur heatrans on the latias

when the latias switches out to say pex

then u can counter the pex with magma ep taunt

but if oppo has a gliscor u are kinda screwed

I think best is to prolly try the sample suns

[wheat timber]

toxic and rocks instead of what

[opal beacon]

use this
eq
roost
rocks
toxic

[wheat timber]

won't I need removal?

[opal beacon]

u would but this is also why the team is kinda flawed

having only one removal for zard Y is not it

sun teams usually dont run scarf kart

instead those karts are grass z usuallly with defog

[wheat timber]

:/ welp at least I tried

[opal beacon]

its fine

building in sm is hard

too much to account for

most teams usually cant beat everything anyways

sm is mu reliant

[wheat timber]

to be fair I did thought of it but was told that I need speed control

[opal beacon]

true , there are scarfers in sun teams ofc, its usually scarf lando

[limber stone]

likewhat

there is no closee 1:1 of gyara

[opal beacon]

maybe roseli kommo

and poison jab>eq

dd cc pjab ice punch

or maybe just a lele in the mix

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/4db9473e94e304a0

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

to be fair I'm thinking of making the koko set a pivot one with electro-z

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/818d3dc7bcfd4712

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

team looks weak af to gliscor tho

[opal beacon]

this 6 already exists

[limber stone]

:o

[opal beacon]

there are also other versions which run pex>latias and mega slowbro

the abr relous team

[opal beacon]

also very weak to medicham/alakazam/lele

simple predicts on focus blast and u lose ur psychic resist

sure garchomp could act as a revenge killer but people will usually scout for sure

[wheat timber]

at that point what walls lele 😭

[opal beacon]

magearna

spdef bulu also eats I think

[wheat timber]

hp fire?

[opal beacon]

very less damage

hp fire is only useful vs scizor and skarm

and ferro and zone

[wheat timber]

so basically only like the specially bulky steels that aren't 4x weak to fire wall it?

[opal beacon]

yeaa

heatran isnt a bad wall but they usually run focus blast/hp fire

so u need to scout

[wheat timber]

so like only mag and maybe jirachi can comfortablly wall?

[opal beacon]

even mag can drop to continous residual chip from say psychock

shock

but jirachi easily walls

[wheat timber]

yeah I did check, it does almost half but it's still a 3hko for av and that is lele is specs

[wheat timber]

btw is body slam used on it? I've only seen sets defensive ones use only iron head

[opal beacon]

not much

the usual set is

iron head
wish
protect
rocks/uturn

sometimes scarf jirachi is also used which runs
iron head
uturn
hwish/trick
trick/fire punch

majorly its hwish tho

[wheat timber]

idk, I thought the idea of being able to spread para even against grounds really interesting but I could be wrong

[opal beacon]

some people do run it for that very purpose

depends on the teams

if u can find a different rock setter u can run bslam

if u can find a different way to handle zam and dont need the uturn chips/momentum u can run bslam

[wheat timber]

actually, is there a sample that has jirachi that has bslam?

[molten jay]

https://pokepast.es/fd7e8c98823b7987

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[molten jay]

may have burnt the kitchen

[opal beacon]

prolly not

[molten jay]

also is scarf koko common

[opal beacon]

nope

people just change sets of common teams sometimes to get a benefit/surprise factor

even then it would be rare

[molten jay]

because i fought 2 dudes who outsped my bb gren with scarf

back to back

on ladder

[opal beacon]

mixed ho and bo

[opal beacon]

low ladder?

[molten jay]

like 1200 or so

yeah

[opal beacon]

yea dont count that

[molten jay]

im trying to learn this tier but its so dead

[opal beacon]

low ladder folks run anything

[molten jay]

i want lean towards offense but i dont know synergies of mons

[opal beacon]

ngl are u sure? sm is like the second most used ladder after adv

[molten jay]

yeah it takes me like 10 mins to find a game

ig its a timezone issue

[opal beacon]

prolly a timezone issue

[molten jay]

id like to keep diancie chomp and gren here i think they form a nice core

[opal beacon]

I did hear that sm ladder was a bit dead recently but well it is what it is

[molten jay]

what to replace in this team?

[opal beacon]

diancie ferro zap is a nice core

[molten jay]

idk what to do with gren

[opal beacon]

ferro handles water types

[molten jay]

i tacked on gunk just for koko

[opal beacon]

and zap handles steels like ferro

[opal beacon]

u mean fini right

u dont need it for koko

that shit is weak and should drop to a surf anyways

[molten jay]

ah shit i keep confusing them

yeah the water fairy

misty terrain setter

[opal beacon]

u could go spikes tbh

[molten jay]

protean spikes gren?

or ferro spikes

[opal beacon]

not ferro spikes coz there is no knocker

no need to run protean spikes as such, normal gren also runs spikes

[molten jay]

what about garchomp and scarf tini

do i keep them?

[opal beacon]

garchomp ferro gren

are a fine core

they stack hazards for it

and a victini as a scarfer is also fine

just change gren set

make it specs tbh

Greninja (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hydro Pump
• Dark Pulse
• Water Shuriken
• Spikes

[molten jay]

oo

alright

tysmm

[opal beacon]

hp ice on dia

u have a zap and a tini, u dont need hp fire

ice lets u hit lando/gliscor

[molten jay]

does it threathen a ohko on lando t

[opal beacon]

252 SpA Diancie-Mega Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 368-436 (96.3 - 114.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[molten jay]

oh w

[opal beacon]

252 SpA Diancie-Mega Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-Therian: 368-436 (115.3 - 136.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten jay]

alright ill use hp ice

tysm for the help

[opal beacon]

252 SpA Diancie-Mega Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 240 SpD Gliscor: 292-348 (82.7 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal

252 SpA Diancie-Mega Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 60 SpD Gliscor: 360-428 (101.9 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[opal beacon]

np

also could consider fire fang>aqua tail on chomp for skarm stuff

even sub is a fine option

team is a bit weak to zam, dont let ferro get chipped much , u might waana go twave for that very reason

[molten jay]

twave over?

which move

[opal beacon]

maybe leech or another option would be
no rock on ferro and going rock on dia>diamond storm

or maybe no aqua tail on chomp and rocks in that slot

[limber stone]

Chople ferro tbh

It's better at checking zam

[opal beacon]

yea but I wanted twave as a nice move for other mons as well

[dense thorn]

https://pokepast.es/e32f459d50c31224

Hi luvs, it’s been a bit rainy round here, Anyway, I spotted this team idea on Smogon itself.
Originally, there was an Eleki in Koko’s place; I’m not sure if just this change, along with my preferred EVs for the other mons, breaks the original synergy, given that the post was quite old. Honestly, it seems to work really well in the test matches I’ve run. Any thoughts, divas?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @low jasper, @fickle tulip, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[orchid tiger]

normally there's a thing about editing pre existing team since it defeats the purpose of getting ur own team rated, fwiw eleki if this core is even relevant these days is preffered since it lets u actually maintain a hazard stack since ur now forced to go defog lando which u generally dont want in hstack teams

[dense thorn]

Oh ok, my bad.

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/73559a4489c93024

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @tender coral, @low jasper, @fickle tulip, @orchid tiger. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

what pokemon are your main focus

[wheat timber]

nothing really

[limber stone]

making sure cuz you dont usually see pads kart and boots nite on ho

and cm lele to an extent ig

[wheat timber]

sd kart isn't used on HO?

[limber stone]

you see more scarf than sd on ho

[wheat timber]

thought it since the thing that usually ruins HO are strong priority

[limber stone]

most common priority is weavile ice shard and rillaboom grassy glide

both beat cm lele+you usually have something like blaziken which punishes them

[wheat timber]

not obviously fighting all priority users with lele just sitting up psyterrain is fine

[opal beacon]

adrenaline orb kart could be an exception but its rare I think

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/154a85dd2698391e

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong lagoon]

Seems ok to me, i dont know if wacan is rly needed with band ttar in the back, Lum on that set or lefto with taunt gyara is ok, pasho on heatran doesn't feel needed but is playable though id prob play hp grass over earth power if u do since its mostly for starmie u want passho, or explosion over taunt if u feel u need ep, shuca is prob fine on it. Though As it is, team is cool

Team is probably a bit weak to spikes so u gotta bé wary of that early game

Mostly not abusing flygon early or just with u turn

Taunt gyara would be cool for def skarm and def rest talk gyara mostly

Cause def skarm switch into flygon gyara and ttar and put spikes which your team hates

So at least with taunt you re fine, usually its dd taunt water fall return/double edge

Lefto gyara (which u usually see on taunt gyara) is also cool for donphan cause gyara is your sole switch in to it

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/25d25f123592aa27 @strong lagoon

[strong lagoon]

perso i prefer return/double edge on gyara but stone edge is a valid choice

[tender coral]

this change is probably for the better, but Ferrothorn needs to run stealth rock over spikes here since Lando is your defogger

rocks are more valuable than spikes in general

only run spikes on Ferrothorn if you already have a stealth rock setter

[tender coral]

leki is spinning on nothing anyways

this team can probably afford to drop removal since you have boots on half the team while the other members are Lando/Ferro/Gapdos

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/1455c1be6f7b72f9 actually made thus change

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

lead dra was not feeling very good

[strong lagoon]

Mh i'm not sure i see what's the point of that lead, no stealth rock gotta switch out from lati switch u switch out vs gyara, basically sash is useless because u re not staying vs what would ohko u, it allows u to stay vs sash metagross, but if its bullet punch u lose the 1v1

More def on nape and will o wisp exists, but make little sense in that team

Kingdra doesn't have a lot of entry too, which is why its usually used as a lead

I prefer the prévious version

[limber stone]

ok

[upper plume]

Where is the Volt in the VoltTurn offense

[limber stone]

Doesn't exist yet

[dusk edge]

the correct term is "pivotslop"

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/2c978c1a4f47ee0a

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

resttalk keldeo 🥀

[velvet mural]

oh nice team

will do my review in a bit

[frigid idol]

You are pretty weak to Clefable. So I would make Zapdos Discharge over T-Bolt.
On Ferro I would use Knock Off instead of Gyro Ball, helps with all sorts of stuff, basically for you to make better progress and deal with opposings clefs a little better long term.
Since you have Impish Hippo Volcarona can beat your team. If you make it careful it is fixed to a degree but would open up other problems, therefore I wouldnt do that. Everything else looks pretty much fine

Well Mega Alakazam can pressure quit a bit with Rocks up

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/57e4b242d11f43f7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @opal beacon, @vast oracle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/cd2c67ff18b89b13

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[velvet mural]

hello o/

oh, What a cool team, i guess you wanna change brave bird for iron head to get rid of opponent mega diancie on skarmory suicude lead,

for jelli i would recommend changing it for sableye, with leftovers bold, it does the same job, blocks the spin, also give u recover willo and taunt you don't need speed on sableye since prankster will make u go first always, instead of scald u can replace it with night shade, i think its better, for volcarona, i would recommend lum berry to setup and not lose ur speed vs thundrus which u will face alot in the meta atm, for lando i would change the ev's to be

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Yache Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 208 HP / 116 Atk / 172 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Stone Edge
• Swords Dance
• Rock Polish

you're faster than almost everything after 1 rock polish, and you're more tanky

[frigid idol]

You lose to a hp rocks serp, pretty much guarenteed.
Rotom-w is pretty annoying too, but can be outplayed somewhat.

[velvet mural]

sorry i got busy and forgot about responding to this tho,

i would say u need discharge instead of thunderbolt, and i would recommend a twave on ferro instead of gyro ball, or knock off like paprika said, most other other comments i would add, paprika already mentioned , gl tho

[fickle rain]

Gen IV OU team. I’m just looking for improvements

https://pokepast.es/b9022605fc2ebfa6

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

I feel like you're missing out on a Gyarados or Dragonite

[fickle rain]

Who would you have me sub one of them for? Just curious

[upper plume]

Probably Breloom

Something like a Taunt Gyarados would similarly improve your stall matchup, especially since you have a Pursuit Tar

[fickle rain]

A variation of this set, I’m guessing

[fickle rain]

Yeah, that set works

[upper plume]

yeah it's just that if you're using a Taunt lead like Azelf or Aero, then it's in service of getting a SR-weak setup sweeper like the Fliers on the field at full HP

if you don't have any of them, then you may just be wasting that synergy, especially if using lead Aero

[fickle rain]

Oh no, I absolutely get it.
Breloom was there because at one point when team building I needed a semi-reliable way to deal with other rock types and grounds in the event Empoleon went down and Breloom’s one of my favorites so he got the spot. Gyarados is doing the same and he’s better at it due to the speed thing

[limber stone]

wont i lose to keldeo without jelli

[limber stone]

is there any possible fix

[frigid idol]

you would have to change one of the 6 at least

[rich cloud]

not enough power

you built ho then immediately started trying to stabilise your defense

run some life orb

scarf landorus

bish and volcarona are too weak

you could try running cm or sharpen > tect on diancie as well

or endeavour sub

to weaken for the two sweepers

oh yeah paprika you're right serp blows this

zardx works with scarf exca > lando i think

for emergency spin

and speed control

[frigid idol]

skarmory as an ho lead is not very strong especially since you need a spin blocker and possibly bisharp to benefit from defog, eventhough a zap might just end the fun for you.
You could use Ada MAero instead of Diance with Aerial Ace
I dont know if that really helps you to fix it, but then you can make Bisharp a different item like Lum berry for Rotom-W or Black Glasses for more damage

[rich cloud]

aero...

incredible shout

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/9bede70cc44aa21b @frigid idol @rich cloud

[frigid idol]

Rotom-w 1v1s 5 out 6 mons. I dont think you need Fire Fang on MAero, but considering you are very heatran weak, you should run Earthquake or with Hone Claws. I would go with Lum Berry on Bisharp here for two reasons. One is that it is the best Weavile answer and 2nd the weakness to Rotom-W. Maybe even something as crooked as taunt lefties bisharp, considering that you super lose to opposing Skarmorys, but then life orb kinda does the same.
There are still things that you will probably struggle with like MGyarados, but I dont have a fix for that

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/8231b2b21555d705 does this suck?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[velvet mural]

i like it , but weavile also likes it 😂 , it's very weak to weavile

[wheat timber]

even with clef 😭

[velvet mural]

and what if clef is not full hp?

now u get the point

[wheat timber]

so the team is a lost cause 😭?

[velvet mural]

it can win games, but it's very good vs weavile thats what i'm saying, weavile is S tier , you will see it alot, so I would recommend to not be so weavile weak

[wheat timber]

can something like, switching m-alt to like m-sciz and making jirachi another scarfer work?

[frigid idol]

The idea is not bad, a main issue will be Volcarona, which you could solve with Altaria or if you make Lati scarf and adjust MAlt a bit for Keldeo. Against Weavile you aint even that bad, you just have to get the predicts correct. Annoying for you will be Bisharp, it can spoil the fun completly for you.

The malt set is made for ho not balance, so I would change that for sure

[wheat timber]

so the defensive dd one?

[frigid idol]

probably

you can check out victim of the week for spreads that beat Volcarona

[wheat timber]

btw can scarf volcanion semi makes the mu against weavile and bis more doable?

[frigid idol]

a bit yes

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/2d3d62177dafbc34

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opal beacon]

I am actually not home for a couple of days

I will get to these when I home

[limber stone]

ok

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/7eb23bc8592c8541

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[strong lagoon]

Team is fine, it probably doesn't rly suit the méta, cause band ttar is everywhere, def mie isnt rly that good in semi stall structure because of that, usually in those structures id play reflect Latias clefable and something else over starmie, because u dont need it without blissey in the team, something like clefable and scarf ttar, for exemple, allows your team to have something that is a bit speedy, trap other starmie for your spikes to make damage,

Rocks clef isnt ideal so u can have rocks on scarf ttar as a lead but as u prefer

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/575163006f79ae78

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/b935e96129abe235 correct me if I posted this already

[strong lagoon]

Yeah seems fine, its good as it is, u usually dont see ice beam on Latias rnow, u see dpulse (because ice beam was mostly for breloom) but its still a décent choice, it's possible to consider toxic on skarm for stuff like donphan, but its fine as it is, this are just options u can try if u prefer in tests.

[limber stone]

ok ok ty

[strong lagoon]

This is a weird team i dont really see the structure of your team, why dd dragonite in a paraspam? Crocune and blissey loves spin, but it doesn't feel like they pair well with ttar, spin helps all your mons, but their offensive strentgh dont seems to go well together

Idk if u need crocune here, and maybe dragonite could be mix?

[wheat timber]

my thought of it was creating paraspam structure that enables strong but slow mons to be able to break

[strong lagoon]

Crocune is a slow wincond but doesn't rly work in paraspam, mixdnite over dd why not

[wheat timber]

what should I replace it with then? honestly want something that can punish ground types since they're the least easier to para

[strong lagoon]

If i were to play this id play sr on Jirachi like sr u turn fpunch body slam or sr iron head thunder u turn (u can fit grass knot if u hâte grounds) starmie in the back band ttar in the back, mix dnite if u wanna try that ( ud usually see another flying mon but why not) blissey sure, and if u want something that loves para loves pursuit support and punish ground, u can play sd breloom

[strong lagoon]

Like sword dance façade seed bomb superpower

[wheat timber]

same jirachi evs or different one?

[strong lagoon]

Dépends of what you re looking for, with mixdnite team is rly weak to Lucario so id play 308speed jira

If u play something more solid défensively u can slow your jira

Something like def rest talk gyara or zapdos def

[wheat timber]

wait a sec why rocks on jirachi when I have bliss?

[strong lagoon]

Oh sry i thought i outed blissey

Still teams feel slow as hell gyara is hard

Gotta go back to work sry

[wheat timber]

it's fine, thx nonetheless

[dapper granite]

I'm trying to create a SS OU team with Jirachi and Lapras. Any suggestions as to how to fill up the rest of my team?

[wheat timber]

uhh... you probably have better luck in #comp-general jirachi should be possible but I doubt lapras can work

[dapper granite]

I want to use Lapras because of G-Max Resonance setting up Aurora Veil without needing to set up Hail first.

[wheat timber]

dynamax is banned

if I'm not wrong

[north sapphire]

Yeah.

I believe all regular singles formats have it banned (because it was overcentralizing.)

[dapper granite]

Oh.

[compact vessel]

Looks fun and it has some cool ideas. It just feels a bit shaky into opposing weather sadly and like if zam traces chlorophyll from venu and rocks arr up you instantly lose (but it is a very common problem for torkoal venu sun)

[limber stone]

maybe i can use payapa kommo-o

and can make volc psy z to improve sand and psyspam mu

[compact vessel]

hum idk. maybe try a bulky leftovers dragonite over kommo-o or try to slot cresselia in the team. I like firium volcarona under sun

[limber stone]

but dragonite doesnt take on ash gren as well as kommo-o

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/42a77f8c01755df0 is this good?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 5] OU RMT @worldly walrus, @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @opal lark. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upper plume]

looks fairly typical

[opal lark]

short answer: yes

ill look at it with attention now

[upper plume]

I'd look into maybe rock slide > one of tar's other moves for volc

[wheat timber]

superpower?

[opal lark]

i was about to say the same

[upper plume]

probably over twave

[opal lark]

you can also go roost>dragonpulse on latios

[limber stone]

bit shaky into keldeo

[opal lark]

the ability to trick and then recover health is helpful especially against keldeo

[limber stone]

was about to say

🐐 figo

[opal lark]

twin

[gritty scaffold]

i think zam is the hardest part

specially sash

or life orb

[opal lark]

3 attacks Reuniclus could fit better on it, because the metagame rn is very fast and offensive, when reuniclus is good to try to dominate slow games instead

a 3 att set is good

[gritty scaffold]

excadrill also could be an issue if rotom is gone

[upper plume]

you have lando t + scarf lati

[gritty scaffold]

but overall your team is fine

id say

yea

[opal lark]

how? you have chople tyranitar to trade

[opal lark]

lando+scarf lati

[gritty scaffold]

yeah but what if latios is hp fire

or specs

you cant trade 2 psys

only 1

and opposing rotomw also might be a bit annoying i think

but ig using your own rotom shouldnt be too bad

[limber stone]

i feel like it needs a natural outspeed for keldeo

[gritty scaffold]

idk im a bit unsure on scarf latios here

[opal lark]

you trade one, scarf lati is good to outspeed the other

[limber stone]

scarf latios is the easiest thing to pursuit

[opal lark]

id prefer scarf lando for that reason

and specs/colbur latios

[gritty scaffold]

i just belive its better to use scarf lati in rain

colbur or specs would prob work better here

[limber stone]

yea this would be better

[gritty scaffold]

or scarf lando yea

[limber stone]

colbur/white herb latios

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/8807eaeb62cca767 something like this?

[gritty scaffold]

yea probably

i would recommend signal beam reun over focus but focus also works ok here

[opal lark]

@wheat timber
summary:

change tyranitar's moveset: rock slide is needed for Volcarona. you can use it over Superpower or Twave
Use Roost > Dragon Pulse on Latios
consider using Landorus-T as your Choice Scarf user, in that case you can keep Stealth Rock on it or give it to Ferrothorn. in this case, try to use Choice Specs / Colbur Latios
consider using a 3 attack Reuni, to have more immediate firepower. if you want to keep this Reuni set, use Colbur Latios with Twave over Trick

[gritty scaffold]

bc signal beam reun makes you alot better vs celebi and opposing reun

[wheat timber]

ohh ok, that's on the cm set or 3 attack?

[gritty scaffold]

cm set

[opal lark]

he meant for the cm one, with 3 attacks you can fit all 3 moves and recover, or Trick Room + 3 att

[wheat timber]

ok but if I go 3 attack focus blast is fine?

[opal lark]

yes

[gritty scaffold]

yea

but you can run focus on cm just fine

[opal lark]

yeah

[wheat timber]

ok then, thx y'all for the help

[opal lark]

@wheat timber if you are interested, two teams with the same 6 of your team have been played in the last SPL

[wheat timber]

you have pastes?

[opal lark]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-900035
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-906125

[limber stone]

harshest 🦈

[opal lark]

yes coz i built w em, but i cant share the version they used

https://pokepast.es/1f3e6e6b1979aa5f

[limber stone]

lost to rain both times 😭

[opal lark]

this was the first draft

[opal lark]

focus miss hits again

[limber stone]

best answer to alakazam

[opal lark]

ofc roost over dpulse, u can also consider custap tar, rslide on ttar

and so on

the considerations we've already made

[wheat timber]

interesting, neither way thx for the help again

[opal lark]

you are welcome always glad to help

im just a ping away

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/e9fcbc03018614d7

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/9ee15d949554a5cc

[wheat timber]

@gritty scaffold

[gritty scaffold]

i feel like you want gyro over knock on this ferro

and maybe lum berry

[limber stone]

keldeo should be specs

[wheat timber]

forget to respond, why specifically?

[limber stone]

Need more breaking power

Immediately

Like I prefer scarf keldeo and specs latios here

[wheat timber]

I mean is scarf latios and specs keldeo still good?

[frigid idol]

My main problem with that team would be that you basically build HO, but dont really follow through, which has a result that you can overwhelm the threats you need to overwhelm.
There is a bunch of mons that will pretty much beat you almost every time. Keldeo would be extremely difficult to deal with for example. Sand also would be a good example what you will struggle with. Sand can set rocks, which you dont want, so you want to defog, but the scizor can't really do it against Drill. Even if you get a defog off, you will probably just lose Scizor or another mon, because it will take all the momentum.
To be honest I wouldnt really know what that Scizor spread is really doing. You dont have to be particually scared of Weavile, but that Scizor aint stopping it.
Overall the team seems to be a solid effort, but I don't think you will really enjoy it / the results will be consistent

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/3c4521b66685cf65

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid idol]

pretty similar as the one before. Similar problems too. You don't really have an answer to Keldeo, which is way more problematic for you as for an opponent. Other fast Water-types are also challenging for the team, such as Volcanion.
I don't know if the Scizor is light metal on purpose but the damage decrease is not worse the damage taken reduction from Earthquake.
Not having removal in a team with Charizard and Volcarona is pretty difficult to manage. If you pick Volcarona and Charizard I would recommend that one can deal with Heatran unless you have a highly functional strategy how that is removed from the game.

[wheat timber]

wait scizor should be technican 😭

[velvet mural]

This team is hella weak to rocks without a removal (spin or defog is needed imo) also weavile is really annoying for you even tho you have a keldeo but he will ruin ur set by knocking the leftovers , as h.o team I find normal scizor is not really a breaker that can win you games on his own unlike something like manaphy or bisharp, so im not really sure what it does on the team with no defog as well even though I understand that you wanna surprise your opponent with Lum berry but I feel like its a really weak h.o team that needs a lot of setup, also I feel like any zard y/ sand team is kinda a problem

I would recommend picking 1 Mon from the fire type and change the other to manaphy or Thundrus , and change normal scizor , even azu is more stronger imo

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/d9943ad4ec6c7c15 another mess of a team

[limber stone]

there is no mega

[opal lark]

yes, it still gives you a good damage output and a nice speed control

[wheat timber]

oh yeah btw won't I need knock off on ferro?

[opal lark]

not really, gyro/whip 2 hazards is nice, knocking off isnt that useful on a rain team
giving it a more offensive spread w lum is good to face rotom too. chople is nice too

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/a850db58403e38c8

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat timber]

wait a sec isn't that jsut the offensive set 😭😭

[opal lark]

it is, it fits better on rain comps, as you need to keep an higher tempo and play more aggressive usually
chople is good too

[wheat timber]

if go with it would it be able to handle latios?

[opal lark]

yes, gyro is good vs it, otherwise twave is good to punish non-ground switchins (but as you dont have a trapper latios probably comes in, drops a meteor, switches out)

[opal beacon]

go berry on lum on the vlcarona since no sub

no real zam answer so keep the araq healthy

get those webs early, torn can be a bit problematic so keep dia healthy

dont get unecessary chip on it

I dislike salac berry kommo but it could work on webs team

[vale lagoon]

https://pokepast.es/19926251f115aa80 gen7OU

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vale lagoon]

I've had a lot of fun with psyspam in gen7OU, so I decided to revamp one of my old teams. I like the defensive core rn, but I feel like the offensive core could be tweaked.

I was mainly thinking of going for fightinium Z on Lele and swapping out Greninja for scarf Kartana (and giving Zam recover).

Any feedback on what could be changed on this team?

[scarlet oak]

https://pokepast.es/32f41f3aab88e54b Thoughs about this team I got above 1300 ELO in Gen 4?

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil, @strong lagoon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[scarlet oak]

(Also this is my first attempt at using stall)

[strong lagoon]

Team looks a bit weaks to stall itself and to band ttar, i would probably lead nidoqueen over ttar, maybe id play wish protect on clef (over soft boiled twave) so as to scoot better vs band ttar and being able to heal queen if needed, i'd probably not play rotom, having anti spin is cool but vs starmie u have scarf ttar to trap it and vs donphan u have tspikes to chip it over times, so i feel like on the long run u re fine vs those spinners, over it id have some kind of sweepers sd loom or refresh Jirachi would be fine but are a bit weak to hazards themselfs, curse quagsire could be interesting even if u have to ppstall the opponent skarm, all of this are playable but here maybe id just go with a défensive breloom set leech seed protect toxic sky uppercut 236hp (which maximize toxic healing) 40 att (which allows sky uppercut to always 2hit ko calm mind clef) the rest in def evs, if u dont like your mu vs substitute rotom u can Always play seed bomb over toxic but u ll need to weaken the opposing def Latias. That set wont pressure stall immediately but u have lots of survivability and u will ppstall fastly the opponent and it appreciates tspikes too.

[scarlet oak]

Aight

[opal beacon]

if u do that it becomes very similar to a sample and that's fine, I think u might benefit more from taunt, encore as compared to recover tbh

as for fight z it isnt bad option so u could run it I know plent of psyspam teams which keep that

https://pokepast.es/d00c5245539519bf

yea same 6 different ev spreads

[vale lagoon]

Oh nice! TYSM!

Explosion mag is a super cool set

However, is there any reason for the Zam EVs?

Is it maybe to live a Kart knock off or scarf Lando EQ?

[flint geyser]

https://pokepast.es/39a26d891ba1112a

I tried to play gen 7 OU since I never played, so I don't know if it's good, I just know Ash Greninja is really annoying so it's.why I put that Primarina, but I feel I'm washed

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

galvantula primarina and mega gardevoir are not viable

[flint geyser]

oh

is webs like... Decent in gen 7 ?

[opal beacon]

It's for stuff like zam, which u can't kill immediately with other moves etc

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/3df4a2aca6d836e6

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/78bebbc3c458506e tried to fix this one

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @wise hatch, @rich cloud, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dusk edge]

theres not really any reason to use primarina when tapu fini exists

[flint geyser]

ic

[frigid idol]

it is pretty weavile weak, but with MGyara and Volc fine. I would consider testing if using Sub Swarm Volcarona is better, because you have can trade decent vs Heatran and Volcanion. It would give you advantages against Stall and set up against Weavile or Clef
I would change tspikes on cloyster against Rock Blast though. Your match up against hp rocks serp is extremely bad, I think you need to fix that, probably by giving twave to thundurus.

[opal beacon]

eh not really

ribombee would prolly be the only good setter

https://pokepast.es/92457ca2520d9549
https://pokepast.es/3cafa355e15a7e86

[flint geyser]

I see

[flint geyser]

Thanks I'll give it a try

[eternal gull]

It's my first time trying out gen 3 how's my team ?
https://pokepast.es/b964c280700fd33d

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 3] OU RMT @tawny egret, @polar nacelle, @surreal crypt, @civic spade. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[civic spade]

Hey looks like a pretty solid core, so good job there. Main issue is Slaking doesn’t really fit. Obviously it hits hard af so it’s going to do some work but without a mag, it can really struggle into skarm/forres. And without a suit trapper, it’ll be hard to click with Gengar lurking in the background. This means you’ll have to play very aggressively with it.

Additionally, your team can struggle vs dragon dancers which means Slaking’s ability Truant will be very exploitable to those things especially if your pert gets too worn down over course of the game.

For the mence, it’s a really customizable mon, so the hp fly over grass can work if you build around that. But in general I’d recommend keeping grass for mixmence bc your team appreciates the help for dealing with Pert. I’d recommend replacing Slaking for something you like vs pert, be it cune, or celebi for example. Slaking actually makes that matchup worse bc they typically run protect, and they’ll just get to lefties heal over and over as they tect and attack in between truant turns making it harder for rest of your team to deal with it as it heals up.

[eternal gull]

Okay so would gardevoir be a good replacement? Or do I need something that needs to deal with mons like skarm and fort

[civic spade]

Celebi or mie would be the better option, bc you can switch in on status and pressure those mons + pert pretty well

[eternal gull]

Oh okay thanks for the help

[civic spade]

If you really wanted to use Slaking though, we could talk about options to make that work for you too

Just lmk

Okay, this paste has a decent amount of Slaking teams to reference. Just ctrl f Slaking to find em all. One thing that can help your current squad is putting it at lead slot to have it put in work right away @eternal gull

https://pokepast.es/c5929d2a3fc95749

[eternal gull]

Thanks I'll definitely check this out but wouldn't leading with slaking allow easy switches cuz when it's in the back it has that surprise factor or maybe I'm wrong about that

Also sorry for taking so long to respond

[civic spade]

That’s kinda gonna be the case regardless tbh. At lead, the switches will teach you right away what your opp is comfortable using to switch into it

[eternal gull]

Okay makes sense

Encore and choice band how does that work ?

[civic spade]

It’s like an emergency move if you are weak to a setup mon. You’d be clicking it and then switching right back out in most cases.

It lasts like 4-6 turns in gen 3 iirc so it helps a lot vs things trying to setup/boost stats, or avoid a Skarm roaring your team around in circles, things like that

Kinda a 4th move filler that you prob won’t click a lot, but can also save you in certain situations

[eternal gull]

Oh okay

[wheat timber]

https://pokepast.es/38a280ce34dff4cc does this suck?

[dense thorn]

https://pokepast.es/7c717059c321c817

Hello again, my cute little jelly beans. Another weird creation, because I’ve just started loving Rotom lately thanks to a meme sand team featuring Dracozolt. Anyway, I’m not quite sure what’s off here – any tips? Just to be clear, I’m really low-ranked (just a casual player, hehe). Xoxo

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @tender coral, @fickle tulip. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber stone]

https://pokepast.es/3d74ef3d6fbea5fe

[karmic geyser]

New [Gen 7] OU RMT @vast oracle, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawny egret]

You need a rock resist that isn’t Claydol. Meta over tar is a known and good 6. I’d probably lead suicune here too

It’s close to something decent

[wheat timber]

what set for meta?

[tawny egret]

Agility usually to help vs aero

[wheat timber]

btw won't that make my team a tad weak ttar?

[tawny egret]

It’s another rock resist if anything it makes u better vs opp tar

[stone pine]

testing

[wheat timber]

actually just realized won't it turn to just to an existing sample 😭