#Old Gens OU

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opal beacon
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could consider grass for toad/gastro/quagsire ig

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hp ice on dia is nice to hit gliscor lando

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kyub mu seems lkike a bit of a prediction game

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might have to trade stuff via that

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team gets walled by celesteela pex structures I feel, but uhh its playable still

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opal beacon
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I see that, which is why I said its playable in the sense u have to make switches and play smart and shit

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flamethrower is ass go for fire blast

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could consider going focus blast>psychic on lele as well

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better for heatran exca ferro

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maybe icy wind>scald on keldeo
or maybe keep scald and icy wind>pump

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for dnite garchomp

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karmic geyserBOT
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Raters for [Gen 7] OU

@opal beacon (alpha1013)
@vast oracle (royalfluxh)

deft raft
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thats what someone who only wins with the help of rng would say

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oh... a vaporeon profile pic...

dusk edge
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if that's what you want to believe

limber stone
deft raft
deft raft
# limber stone Don't we all

most people dont. whats the point of playing a strategy game if you are going to use paraflinch, which doesnt require more thought that throwing a dice? if you are going to use jirachi, go to a casino. Atleast there you have a chance of changing the points you make for cash. reaching the top of the ladder with a brainless sample set only leaves you with a void inside

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upper plume
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if you are going to use jirachi, go to a casino.
hm yes, I shouldn't use a top 2 Pokemon in the metagame

opal beacon
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anyways

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I am lke 99% sure

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I have seen this 6 before

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its also pretty similar to more common builds with gren > pex and stuff I think

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opal beacon
wheat timber
opal beacon
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cm latias + tspikes pex

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is a good core

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if u are considering not going that route then u can just make the latias as psychic

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overall I dont think the team is bad

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it could struggle a bit vs kyurem

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but that's the case for all bulky teams usually

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how about u try the team on the ladder and lemme know which mons seem a bit tough to play vs and maybe we can improve from there

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@wheat timber

wheat timber
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heatren should be enough I think

opal beacon
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play smart

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if u get a chance

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to scout focus blast with

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clef or other mons

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do that

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could make pex payapa berry and toxic to put lele on a timer

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opal beacon
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chansey, gliscor pex etc

wheat timber
opal beacon
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if u face heatran vs gliscor

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like dont immediately go to latias

wheat timber
opal beacon
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either go to ur gliscor (if toxic orb is activated , if not dont risk knock off) or go to clef to scout toxic

opal beacon
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gliscor knock off would do nothing to mega latias

wheat timber
opal beacon
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like 30 max

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I thinl

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wheat timber
deft raft
# upper plume > if you are going to use jirachi, go to a casino. hm yes, I shouldn't use a top...

you shouldnt use it like a coward with paraflinch. where is the satisfaction in winning by flinching the opponent 5 times in a row? it only shows you are dumber than your opponent if you rely on that to win. Lots of pokemon have been banned or nerfed for less. The only reason jirachi isnt banned is because it is used by the people who are in charge of banning stuff. Basically, Jirachi is the jeffrey epstein of pokemon, with it´s own island even,

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tawny notch
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I'm new to competitive Pokémon (I'm still very bad, but I want to learn). I did some basic research on the Gen8 OU tier and ended up making this team: https://pokepast.es/a721aba44bff1a42

I still know very little about competitive Pokémon, and I'd like to know if anyone could help me or show me a way to learn how to build a team, I would be grateful if you could tell me what's bad about this team and what needs to change.

limber stone
tawny notch
limber stone
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cuz physical tankchomp is also not a good set in gen 8

karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 8] OU RMT @orchid tiger, @fickle tulip, @tender coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

limber stone
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oh 💀

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uh

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my apologies

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limber stone
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upper plume
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is this not the case for any sweeper

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Jirachi isn't particularly special in this regard

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it doesn't boost its speed or have a priority move to compensate

cobalt vigil
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Hi,
Jolteon is fairly mediocre mon. You need to patch his weaknesses with strong options like Jirachi and Latias. Take a look at this at restrict yourself to B1 and above https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-viability-ranking-updated-may-2025.3683332/
You chose to not use a scarfer alonsgside Jolteon (which imo is the right choice), but the rest of the team needs to be able to threaten clef and ground types. Otherwise Hippo & clef are going to stand in Jolteon's way.
You need 2 steel types and 2 eq switch-ins on standard dpp teams. Here you will struggle vs Specs Latias (and Latias as whole). Hippo looks threatening aswell.

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OU - DPP OU Viability Ranking [updated May 2025]

DPP OU Viability Ranking

Welcome to the DPP OU Viability Rankings topic. In this thread, we as a community will rank every single usable Pokemon into "tiers." In this thread, you're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are usable in DPP OU and what tier...

lilac nova
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@civic spade [gen 3]

I made big changes to my team and I am solidly hitting 1400 to 1500 elo. I know a lot of my team is probably unconventional but I really like these specific setups and it's done for a reason.

Blissey often beats Metagross with thunder and people also often switch in swampert into my blissey which is the main way I bait and kill swampert. I find jirachi dies to earthquake way too easily and I just prefer bliss as a serene grace user.

For Snorlax, people often switch in tyranitar which is why I swapped out body slam for brick break. I also find myself in curselax mirrors very often so I can always win that situation now.

I removed skarmory for flygon because flygon beats t-tar and Zapdos which are the most popular starters. I very often get a free substitute. Also skarmory just seemed like a wasted slot because people have too much tech against it and spinners.

I'm trying to get into the 1500+ elo range but it's really tough.

https://pokepast.es/f485b8abfac9bb9f

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lilac nova
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civic spade
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Big thing you lack is a reliable rock resist @lilac nova Also having multiple normal types just doubles down on weaknesses to specific threats and makes you less versatile. And serene grace isn’t a good ability for Bliss to perform its role reliably. (It wants longevity and to be able to pivot in and out). A permanent status impacts your ability to do that bc 1. Heal bell requires a click rather than safely switching out, and 2. It has low pp compared to toxic and other status moves.

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I also kinda feel like we discussed a similar team enersha. I’d recommend you revisit those comments as a reminder.

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civic spade
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I think it’s good to get comfortable with any TSS Skarm Bliss stuff

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civic spade
lilac nova
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deft raft
# upper plume Jirachi isn't particularly special in this regard

other mons dont have a more-likely-than-not chance of not letting the opponent move. If it is the end of the battle and there are only 1 or 2 mons on each side, jirachi can beat what would be it´s counters with it´s more-likely-than-not chance of leaving the opponent unable to move. It becomes nothing but a rigged coin flip. And usually suspiciousy convenient critical hits

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civic spade
# lilac nova Blissey, wish teams, swampert despite having 2 HP grass users, defensive teams

Yeah that makes sense. The issue is your team is trying to force defensive mons into a more offensive role than they’re capable of / optimal in. Blissey most clear example of that. It really needs natural cure to do what it does best. And it should have a more standard set to be a pivot and enable the rest of its team. With a 3 atk Suicune, you want the rest of your team to be similarly offensive to allow you to keep up momentum. The Lax would really want to be boom here with this cune for that reason. Other option is to go with Bliss>Lax and then modify the cune set to a more defensive one with longevity. Think rest talk cm surf, or rest cm surf ice beam / roar. go with a standard bliss and ditch the Lax. The idea here is that you are either outpacing your opponent or out lasting them.

deft raft
# cobalt vigil Hi, this channel is for team rating, if you'd like to debate about jirachi I sug...

been disccussed many times, yet never applied, as mods never listen. I will leave this room once people tell me a single stall breaker in gen 4, as breloom was the only viable one, and now it´s crippled. Infernape, scizor, lucario, gyarados, etc simply cant answer to blissey and clefable, as they either have shitty move pools, or get walled and kod by common switchins like skarmory, hippowdown, or gyarados, turning the battle into a boring switching stall that takes over 100 turns, which didnt happen before breloom was unfairly crippled at the request of people who dont play the tier

upper plume
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Infernape getting walled by Hippowdon is news to me

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and what stall teams in the big 26 run Gyarados

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Taunt + DD Tar is really strong against many stall teams, and you can pair it with hazard support to weaken Hippowdown into range of it

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same thing with Taunt + DD Gyarados

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upper plume
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it's not 2012 anymore

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we aren't seeing Gyarados Forretress stall teams

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upper plume
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there are many Pokemon that you haven't named that are good stallbreakers

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upper plume
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Mixed Flygon and Dragonite are good stallbreakers

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especially if you have hazard support

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Additionally, Clefable is not bulky enough to take on ultrapowerful special attackers like Specs Heatran

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upper plume
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Breloom is still a good Pokemon as well

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To clarify, I mean mixed Flygon and mixed Dragonite

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upper plume
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we'll see, they come out tomorrow

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deft raft
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it is the most common first move blissey and clefable will click.

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assuming ttar isnt already on the field and you switch into it

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if you need ttar to be on the field before them, then its quite a crappy counter

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  1. Lum Berry
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upper plume
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  1. You can send it into Skarmory
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Mixed attackers in general are annoying for stall teams

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Trick users with Choice items

deft raft
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trick is too unreliable

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it is easy to see them coming and click an offensive move to get locked into, or just switch out

upper plume
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you are just talking to one person

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if you want actual discussion, you should join that

deft raft
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this is for teambuilding. Im just asking for 1 reliable stall breaker that can switch into clefable and blissey. You are unable to provide one, as breloom was the only one that did that

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lum berry can only be used once, useless against stall teams

upper plume
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I will concede that switching into Clefable Knock Off is annoying

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unless you have your own Clefable

deft raft
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just admit that the tier is ruined

upper plume
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LMAO

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the tier is better without sleep

deft raft
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"how do i defeat stall?" "uhm... have you tried more stall?"

upper plume
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Breloom is not the only thing holding stall teams from metagame domination

deft raft
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yes, it was

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time will prove me right

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the usage rates will show you barely anyone uses breloom anymore, while clef and blissey skyrocketed

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deft raft
upper plume
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I am not an admin

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I don't even main DPP

deft raft
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mod, driver, whatever

upper plume
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I'm not even a mod

deft raft
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yet you insist

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dusk edge
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yeah, that's because they actually enjoy playing pokemon

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velvet mural
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hi o/

opal beacon
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we dont get many oras rates

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@limber stone how does the team work

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 1] OU RMT @white veldt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

willow crown
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what do you think @dusk edge ?

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# willow crown https://pokepast.es/24348f20c8544cba

Interesting team composition, ZamGarMie isn't something I've tried out myself yet. It compares most directly to ZamEggGar or ZamEggMie, and while I think the utility of Exeggutor with more consistent sleep and explosion is generally better, these 6 mons together could work.

For the sets, I think there's a few simple fixes that could make the team more effective.
Light Screen Chansey isn't really seen in OU, because there aren't Amnesia boosters like in Ubers that justify its moveslot space. I'd recommend replacing it with Thunder Wave, especially if you want to run Reflect Snorlax, the paralysis support is very necessary, keeping in mind that Alakazam or Starmie are likely to get slept.

Blizzard on Snorlax isn't really seen on Reflect sets, since the power is underwhelming without Amnesia boosting. You have a few options over Blizzard, either Ice Beam to fish for freeze vs opposing RefLax, Self-Destruct for better options vs Zapdos and Starmie, Earthquake for general coverage, etc. I'd probably go for Self-Destruct or Hyper Beam on this.

Looking at Gengar and Starmie together, you can see that their attacks both lack coverage for Exeggutor, which is always gonna be tough in this meta where Eggy is on 80+% of teams. The standard Starmie sets are SurfBolt and PsyBlizz, basically one strong STAB to break Snorlax and one coverage move depending on matchups. IMO Gengar's best set is Night Shade + Thunderbolt to be able to hit both Eggy and Starmie, but there's definitely some debate there.

Finally the lead RefZam, I'll admit I don't have a lot of firsthand experience using RefZam, although I've heard it's a decent set. My instinct tells me that RefZam is probably worse than Seismic Toss Zam in the lead slot, because you'd ideally want to be able to hit Eggy early before getting put to sleep. You could reasonably put Gengar in the lead and run RefZam in the back, it could be an interesting idea.

If you've got any questions, feel free to let me know!

willow crown
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I prefer to run gengar more than exxegutor because is quicker doing the sleep move.

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also maybe I could change blizzard in snorlax yes, but I want him to be the physical tank while chansey is the special tank.

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also I have alakazam with reflect when I want to switch to gengar too.

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what do you think @white veldt ?

white veldt
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So this is a Gen 1 Mechanics Moment

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the way Light Screen and Reflect work in this gen is that they'll halve the damage of special and physical attacks for as long as its user stays in

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it's an effect on the Pokemon, not a field effect, if that makes sense

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so your Light Screen Chansey will only ever give Light Screen to itself, same for your mons with Reflect

willow crown
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Oh, I see.

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Alright, I will try to change it then.

white veldt
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Good luck, feel free to test it on the ladder and come back to say how the changes are working out!

gritty scaffold
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i feel like with that kind of team you prob want ref chansey to check eq lax

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bc your already likely going to use your own lax to check tauros

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id think blizzbolt mie could work here on lead aswell. bc this team struggles a bit into mono starmie

white veldt
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Usually I'd agree, but unless you wanna run Mono Sleeper Gengar this team kinda needs Sing Chansey

gritty scaffold
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hm

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fair

white veldt
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It could be something like Gar lead, ZamMie in the back, Sing-IB-Counter Chansey

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That's a really weird team though

gritty scaffold
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yeah

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hard to pilot in some mus

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specially vs rhydon

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if it starts getting going

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zap also rly annoying

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but atleast you have gar/zam

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mie does make you better into articuno/cloy though

white veldt
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Yea the trouble with teams that avoid Eggy and Cloyster is that they tend to have a Rhydon problem

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And no Rhydon is obviously a bit Zap weak

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So the matchups are tough

gritty scaffold
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the team is atleast somewhat fast so

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its not that bad

white veldt
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I've run ZamCloyGar a bit in the past, and having only one twave user is really hard to deal with

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But if you don't run Eggy it's what you've got to get a better Rhydon matchup (unless they click rock slide q.q)

gritty scaffold
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mie over egg in this kind of team is like a sidegrade if you think about it

white veldt
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It's kind of a sidegrade, but the lack of boom can really be felt when trying to break through Chansey

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oh fs

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I could see something like ZamMieDon having upsides

gritty scaffold
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its rly annoying bc you cant rly run beam lax in zammiegar bc you need ice beam for rhydon

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but yeah its def good

white veldt
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Yeah, this is the struggle with trying to build a new RBY squad through logic and role filling, you end up building MieEggDon 😭

gritty scaffold
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chanseyless is the future trust

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its like the HO of rby

white veldt
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"Don't wanna lose to Rhydon? Alright let's add Eggy. Don't wanna lose to Zapdos? Alright here's my own Rhydon. Need something fast to check Tauros? Gonna add Starmie and aww man..."

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Chanseyless is good for sure but it works on such different rules

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Like Starmie lowkey feel kinda bad on Chanseyless sometimes, because you're so limited in how you can handle Zapdos and Chansey

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Which is why the future is Chanseyless with Rhydon

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But the current era might not be ready for that

gritty scaffold
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tho i think zam/jynx usually can do okay vs chansey. you def need something sturdy for zap though

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jynx is usually very safe vs chansey

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

limber stone
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I have some stuff

frigid idol
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It does look like rebuild version of my Jolteon team.
What is the idea behind the balloon heatran? You have Sand and Volcarona decently covered. Manaphy could be really annoying for, so could be fast mons with access to Ice moves, like Thundurus. The Chomp set doesn't make much sense for in my eyes or I am lacking the imagination what it is supposed to do. It would rather go Offensive there to eliminate threats like Rotom-W or Zapdos more efficient. I also think you want more pressure on Slowbro.
I can imagine that fat teams with Skarmory can actually become a problem, with air balloon heatran as your only real switch. Since you get chipped down quick by Rocks and without recovery even a Chansey can beat you after some chip. Scarf Lando is a big reason for the issues you will have. The scarf is a potential source others can use to recover.

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 5] OU RMT @upper plume, @gritty scaffold, @opal lark, @worldly walrus. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty night
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mence has problems with scizor, +2 outrage often misses kill but i get locked into it to KO the mon before in one hit

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The team’s defensive backbone is not the best; Slowbro is usually good to check a wide array of physical attackers, mainly on Sand teams, paired with Tyranitar that usually traps the strongest Psychic type special attackers. Excadrill is good for hazard control, the special bulk is kinda needed because you don’t have many switch-ins.
Keldeo (esp with HP Ice) is pretty good into the team, even without it the only Pokemon you can reliably switch into it is Latios. Colbur Latios is ok, I’m not a big fan of a Psychic move on it, unless you are fishing for Conk HO or you have no way to hit Keldeo. If Scizor is a problem you could try to run HP Fire on it instead of Psyshock, it could also help vs Ferrothorn and Jirachi. I’m not sure about Landorus’ set, because the only move it could truly abuse with SD is Earthquake. Pokemon like Rotom can come on it and click will-o-wisp for free, with you having to pivot with U-turn as you can’t hit it effectively. Skarm is also a big problem in this case. You could try a Double Dance Lando with both Rock Polish and SD if you wish to use it as a wallbreaker/cleaner. otherwise a standard defensive set with Stealth Rock would be better, fitting rocks on Exca. Scarf can be considered as an option, to have a revenge killer and fast pivot. Excadrill without Iron Head can be somewhat of a sitting duck, as you can’t punish incoming Flying types. If your problem is getting rid of Scizor with Mence, I can see the use Fire Blast, to punish steel types, but if you get a chance to DD you are probably gonna click Outrage to get the kill and then he will try to punish it somehow. No one will throw their steel types carelessly against a team with 2 Dragons + Magnezone. Probably Lum Berry is better on him, but I see this set performing better on HO or full DragMag structures. Maybe Garchomp could be better or more reliable as a wallbreaker, it would also help against Excadrill, who felt problematic to you, even if you have Slowbro

gritty scaffold
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Id prob just rebuild the team

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It feels too confusing to what exactly are you trying to build

opal lark
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For example Rain and Alakazam+Spikes are problematic matchups. Thundurus with Agility and a rain Scarf User (be it Lando-T, Keldeo, Latios, maybe even Garchomp) all outspeed your whole team and you don’t have Tyranitar to trade with the Psychic special attackers or way to punish Lando-T U-turn if not with a switch on Excadrill. Alakazam outspeeds your whole team and with HP Ice ShadowBall/SignalBeam and Focus Blast is able to win almost alone, once provided with some chip damage and the help of the hazards.
Volcarona is another problematic Pokemon to you, as after one Quiver Dance it outspeeds everyone and almost 2HKOs every Pokemon

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I see the idea of Magnezone+2 Dragons, but the 6 don’t work well together.

You could keep a core of Excadrill, Slowbro, Landorus, Latios. And I’d say the other two Pokemon can be Tyranitar and Ferrothorn/Heatran/Celebi for example.

If you prefer to go with a more balanced structure but to keep both Magnezone and Salamence, I’d say keep Excadrill-Landorus-Magnezone-Slowbro-Salamence, add Tyranitar; but tweaking the sets is needed. Maybe Gliscor would be a better fit Over Landorus in this case

gritty scaffold
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You def need celebi on that kind of structure imo

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Slowbro isnt good vs rain and only having latios to check keld isnt gonna end up well

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Amoonguss is ok too

gritty scaffold
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I think its a bit too passive but sure

opal lark
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Rain is very problematic yes

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velvet mural
# limber stone https://pokepast.es/ebd96de8669650fd

i agree with paprika, volcarona is covered, with garchomp and pinsir , i think its better to have like salac berry sub over protect if u want or yache berry or even dragon claw , might sound crazy but even toxic/flamethrower is much better than protect specially with sd chomp

i dont see the need of calm mind keldeo either, i think specs keldeo or toxic would be much better for slowbro and clefable and venusaur, even tho u have stuff to play with, but i think this team will strugle vs good stall imo specially because jolly pinisir not adamant

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👍

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stall is tough yea

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tho i thought cm taunt keld would beat stall

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 4] OU RMT @cobalt vigil. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty night
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recover on specs feels wrong hold that thought

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i have this now

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gritty night
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yeah i saw exca/lando/slowbro/latios
swap mence for ttar, swap mzone for celebi

opal lark
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if you wanna try Salamence as a cleaner, as Dragonite outclasses it as a setupper, you can try it Scarf, while keeping Magnezone on the team

gritty night
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excadrill feels like a sitting duck with only EQ should i be switching to a more attack invested set or just change the moves around

opal lark
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having Iron Head is mandatory imo

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opal lark
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even with ttar this looks still very bad vs volcarona

opal lark
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with both Celebi to help vs Rain and Tyranitar, the EVs in SpDef arent needed as much
you can also give SR to Celebi or Lando
even Tyranitar

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this is the standard Lando Scarf set, with enough Speed to outspeed Jolly Scarf Excadrill
most volcaronas are Modest. HP Ice is needed vs Dragonite, Garchomp, opposing Landos and Gliscor

gritty night
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sand force exca over mold breaker i missed that

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or sand rush?

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sand rush for SD probably

opal lark
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Chople or Custap Tyranitar is better
you can change the move on Celebi (HP Fire, Giga, Leaf Storm, Psychic, all valid options)

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gritty night
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ah

opal lark
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your preference, with Mold Breaker you can hit with EQ Rotom-W and Latios/Latias
Sand Force is the most common ability as it boosts Exca's damage output

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karmic geyserBOT
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New [Gen 6] OU RMT @velvet mural, @rich cloud, @wise hatch, @frigid idol, @opal beacon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

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opal beacon
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isnt this basically the sample with meta over

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zam

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also has a version

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with

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lopunny

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wheat timber
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what's with me making teams that are similar to samples 😭

opal beacon
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HAPPENS

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Ig I'll stick with the sample since it has the same idea in my head with that heatren having roar to force volc out

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opal beacon
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fake out hjk return

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could be encore pup qa

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velvet mural
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velvet mural
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why would it be better?

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velvet mural
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more chance to miss and if u miss you lose, rock slide more accurate and both of them kills the volcarona

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velvet mural
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u have taunt for stall

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you dont need extra dmg you just need to 1hko volarona without missing

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velvet mural
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volcarona is x4 weakness to rocks, most rock moves would kill even if not stab, only smack down sometimes do not kill thats it

wheat timber
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0 Atk Gliscor Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 292-348 (93.8 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

velvet mural
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you can put small points on attack if u want to make sure it kills, like 16

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16 Atk Gliscor Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 300-356 (96.4 - 114.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

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or 36 Atk Gliscor Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 308-364 (99 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

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velvet mural
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Yeah

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Spdef

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Not speed

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opal beacon
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well rocks for gliscor androtom

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and zam before was also immune without mega

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but yea that's the one problem with another mega

wheat timber
opal beacon
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will have to use a defog user otherwise

wheat timber
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in this gen

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cobalt vigil
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limber stone
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which tier are you playing

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you have no evs and a choice band swords dance weavile

charred walrus
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Aight

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To expand on that, kou generally doesn’t want/need spikes as it is looking to wincon with calm mind. Spikes can obv assist with securing ko ranges but registeel is a better defensive piece to more consistently enable Kou to do what it does best

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I would also go rock slide over hp fly on mence or over fblast if you keep fly

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upper plume
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you're missing a couple of Pokemon

wise mural
opal beacon
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since in my opinion people who post teams here have some basic idea atleast

opal beacon
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so that u can atleast hit some stuff like kyub, rotom more strongly

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and would put more attack evs

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check out the smogon thread

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since there is no knocker could consider knock off on gliscor

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or keep toxic and have knock off on ferro

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ur call

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I do like toxic on gliscor in the sense that u can use it on latias/ hippo/ etc

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could consider thunder>tbolt for more damage

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but yea u miss moves

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can keep flamethrower tho dont need blast

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opal beacon
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Out rn, will do it later

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looks like an offense team w/ a random zapdos

lilac nova
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[gen 3] I am hard stuck at 1300 to 1400 elo. I find suicune and swampert very difficult to deal with.

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I don't know what my 6th should be, maybe Zapdos with HP grass to deal with suicune and swampert

limber stone
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You have 5 pokemon

lilac nova
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If you read my post I said idk what the 6th should be

limber stone
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I put swampert at the 6th bc I keep losing to it but idk what should actually go in that slot

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I've been experimenting with Zapdos, heracross, Metagross, starmie, etc

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In any case I feel like I have hit my personal peak maxing out at 1450 elo and I am unable to push past it, sometimes I drop as low as 1300

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Having 3 hp grass users (zap, bliss, cune) does not help me kill swamp very much bc it's hard to catch good players with hp grass

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see the upload to pokepaste option on the bottom left

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wheat timber
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also that blissy set is something

lilac nova
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My blissey set is weird I know

lilac nova
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It's basically jirachi that doesn't immediately die to earthquake

lilac nova
limber stone
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Blissey without recovery

civic spade
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Having spikes make both of those 2 you struggle with much easier to play around

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Having zap would still be nice for the squad. You could go Leech celebi over bliss to help with the matchup too

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And I’ve told you this before but why are we still running Lax with Bliss?? And this bad bliss set no less.

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Basically your 6 is fine but you are CRIPPLING yourself and your teams with some bad sets. I’ve explained why some are bad or don’t fit before to you too but you keep posting the same team and not taking any advice.

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why dd ice punch instead of fire punch on ttar?

lilac nova
undone dagger
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I mean even then, fire punch is more than fine

undone dagger
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yeah but im thinking maybe stone edge too?

upper plume
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no your team gets walled by skarmory

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wait there's a band heracross

undone dagger
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Yeah there is

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+2 252+ Atk Feraligatr Aqua Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 159-187 (47.6 - 55.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

upper plume
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I'll let oipon help you

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np

cobalt vigil
# undone dagger I dont think I shared this but just in case: https://pokepast.es/e89fc528fd40e42...

Hi,
You need to use strong options in the metagame. Unfortunately you can't play Heracross, Feraligatr and midgame Azelf on the same team and expect good results. I wouldn't recommend LO Ddtar: Life Orb helps breaking holes during the early-midgame, but Dd Tar is usually a late game sweeper. The recoil is also detrimental, as part of DDTar's effectiveness lies in its bulk.
With these issues, the team is difficult to rate.

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Also empoleon is usually played with an early game ground immunity such as Bronzong or Latias

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It gives better early game sequences

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Nice h.o will try it and let you know what I think,

On paper It looks strong.

plucky fog
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W double defog

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I tried the team, I don’t like the no attack latias, also I don’t like lo volcarona I think Lum is better on that type of a team
Also instead of double Defog I would recommend twave or attacking move like a Draco for example

Also I think dragon claw is better on garchomp than being stuck with outrage

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But it’s a nice h.o screens

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Can win some games with luck I would say

limber stone
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@opal beacon

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?

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uhh I am busy will do later

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@velvet mural

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not having a real ghost resist is painful tho

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tried to maintain the teams identity

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wicked moat
# undone dagger I dont think I shared this but just in case: https://pokepast.es/e89fc528fd40e42...

I feel hariyama lead or raikou lead would kind of make more sense here. And maybe empo in place of feraligatr. When building offense or hyper offense you have to think of the sequences (the practical consequences) that are gonna happen in-game and here you don't seem to get full value out of azelf or heatran trading explosions. Hariyama can get in after an explosion and get even more value, by instance; and it's probably a good fighting spam combo along with heracross. Mixnite in place of ddtar can be good too. It opens holes to physical tanks much better and I'm not sure what ddtar does here

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Now that I notice, the rocker is the issue yeah. Yama lead is more of balance offense style so defensive empo can probably work. This is highly unorthodox teambuilding so every change can be done on experience. Something I like to do when building offense is just load that crap on ladder and notice why it lost then you can make changes from there. Instead of rocks empo it can be rachi or metagross maybe...

undone dagger
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I enjoy using him a lot.

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I think this team is pretty scizor weak though which is an issue

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I like using experimental sweepers and teams as you may be able to tell.

wicked moat
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Okay so you can start from 0 and focus on creating something with water spam pokemon like specs kingdra, swampert, gyarados, lo or specs latias and feraligatr as an endgame sweeper

undone dagger
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I might add Metagross as a stealth rocker or something. I really like it

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Possibly with Magnezone?

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I think I just experimented with too many things at once on that team

wicked moat
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Yeah, it has happened to me too but you can't really keep gatr in that team essentially

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Or with that 6 pokemon

undone dagger
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Yeah

wicked moat
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It can be improved as a team with gatr gone

undone dagger
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I was honestly on a Heracross craze because I discovered it as one of my personal top picks when I built it

wicked moat
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And then you can make another team with gatr

undone dagger
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But now I have a ton of hera teams

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So I can drop it if needed

wicked moat
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Band heracross is good

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With the adjustments I said it can possibly be better

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Cuz yama opens holes for a heracross sweep

undone dagger
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I wonder who gatr's best teammates are? Maybe teammates that can double as Magnezone lures and lure in hp fire or something?

undone dagger
wicked moat
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Water pokemon in general

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You can watch BKC's video in the type spam archetype which I think features water spam builds too

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Along with explanations and examples of how it works

undone dagger
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I didnt plan it as a type spam team

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I was just using it as a standalone sweeper

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I have cores like kingdra swampert and surf lo latias

wicked moat
undone dagger
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ah, damn....

wicked moat
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It's hard to find a niche for gatr outside of water spam at least for me

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Unless it's UU cuz there gatr is pretty good

undone dagger
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I got into gatr after FSG's video on it highlighted what it can do.

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no 4x weaknesses, SR weakness, Torrent, better bulk, priority and Swords Dance

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these are significant and I already used gyara a few times

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not to like undermine what you're saying or anything of course

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but I just really like cool configurations that go a bit off meta

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These are useful though

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I also saw some ppl use it alongside Gyarados but I wouldnt do that lol

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Gyara gatr would be one of a few ways to justify gatr competitively yeah

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If you get more experienced maybe you'll be able to build what you want here

undone dagger
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oh, I build for years

wicked moat
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Well, I mean it kinda looks like a 1300 team lol

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I have 1 year after a hiatus and can get to 1500 consistently with some unusual mons there and there

undone dagger
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This isnt one of my better teams, thats why Im asking peoples thoughts on it

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it doesnt mean im not experienced because I'm trying something out

wicked moat
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But yeah you'l have to focus on how gatr can work as an standalone sweeper

undone dagger
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But yeah thats off topic

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Empo lead looks a bit random

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And rocks meta as you mentioned kinda sucks as a lead

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Actually hm

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Bruv 🥀✌️

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Might be a bit soft into sd chomp but think it's fine

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sorry for posting both, only way i could get it to work

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Will look into them when I get home

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thanks dude appreciate it

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hey im building a team for a gen 7 OU bug mono team but a few pokemon are banned will list the banned ones below i would love some feedback first time doing comp https://pokepast.es/f2a02f329648e1d1

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Banned:

Mega-Pinsir
Volcarona
Silvally
Arceus BUG
Pheromosa
Genesect

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Sorry, took a moment to find it

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And in the tournament, everyone else would be using bug also

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harsh plume
# limber stone !nolegends

Legendary’s would’ve been allowed if there was actual bug type legendarys it’s just GEN 7 OU rules but bug mono with a FEW exceptions I apologize I thought that would be fine cause that’s the only change

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is there a channel I could ask for feedback?

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Even the gen 7 monotype tier has pinsir and volcarona allowed

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those are the only changes is that list is banned

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Do you know of another discord I could join that could help me?

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my personal preference

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otherwise the team looks fine tbh

limber stone
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it just makes too much sense

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psychics+spikes=win

opal beacon
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yes

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brokens

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# wheat timber https://pokepast.es/a411ab0cb5445f2a this feels like it sucks

It’s a good team but it sucks when u have a bad day with luck

Missing stone edge from Lando or magma storm from heatran or fire blast from charizard or leaf storm from serp I would say it’s so many low acc moves to ruin your day every now and then 😂 but I like the team will try it out and give you my thought process but looking at the team it’s a cool team I like the mew set on it

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try keldeo scarf with toxic

wheat timber
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yeah sure

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I’m just telling you another ground one u can use

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im not sure why drop outrage for ice punch on here

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and forre , glisc feels a bit random in this team

wheat timber
gritty scaffold
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hm thats fair

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but dnite often can sweep

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after removing steels

wheat timber
gritty scaffold
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idk the issue necessarily

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you can run fire punch if you rly want to nuke ferro with dnite

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it just feels weird this team

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but tbf im not that experienced with ho

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i dont like forre , glisc here at all

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starmie is always better

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and chomp

upper plume
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this isn't even hyper offense

gritty scaffold
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if you want a rocker

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well it feels like trying to play one

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with volc , dnite

upper plume
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it's hyper offense but with two balls and chain shackled to your ankles

wheat timber
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to be fair I felt like I would need SOMETHING to tank a hit or two but forget the team I'm going for is mostly offensive soo

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i dont really recommend

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weatherless balance

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wheat timber
worldly walrus
# wheat timber why?

tyranitar is just naturally a really good piece on what would be balance and counters some of the more offensive mons while adding synergy

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weatherless balance can work i suppose, though it isnt common and i wouldn't really recommend it

wheat timber
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I like calm mind latios, or specs healing wish latias

wheat timber
opal lark
# wheat timber https://pokepast.es/cd9114d7a7d27d92

I see; your team looks like an hyperoffense build (3 staples of the archetype in Dragonite, Volcarona and Scarf Hwish Jirachi), then 2 pieces most commonly found in balanced/bulky offense or defensive teams (Gliscor and Forretress), with Latios to round it out

So it depends which route you wanna go for

If you wanna use HyperOffense (so keeping Jirachi+Volcarona+Dragonite)

  • Jirachi is ok
  • you need a Stealth Rock user, preferably as a lead. Garchomp is good, because he can SD or even run a mixed set, and force the opponent to send something like Latios, which can be punished after Chomp dies. Terrakion and Aerodactyl are other fun fast leads, with Taunt and Stealth Rock + 2 attacks
  • Volcarona’s set can be optimized, you can keep it Timid to outspeed Scarf Landorus at +1, most of the Volcaronas around usually run GigaDrain as their 4th move and they hold a Life Orb to maximize their damage output; Insect Plate is still valid, as it helps against Tyranitar, but it doesn’t offer the same value, as Modest +1 FireBlast mauls Hippowdon too for example
  • I see you used Forretress with Spikes and Rapid Spin; this team really needs RapidSpin support. A better choice as a spinner here would be Starmie, as it’s faster, more offensive, and doesn’t require you to sink all your momentum, which is very important for an offensive team. You could even use it with HP fire if you wish. If you wanna keep the pressure of DoubleHazard, you can use Skarmory as your suicide lead, with Taunt / Spikes / Stealth Rock / Brave Bird. In this case pairing it with a Jellicent would be very nice, as you can prevent opposing Pokemon to use Rapid Spin.
  • Gliscor is not a great piece For hyperoffense teams, he requires an angle to setup if he uses a Swords Dance set, and he isn’t fit to set Stealth Rock in hyper offensive teams. His utility set doesn’t provide much value here; Gliscor excels as a wallbreaker with its SD set on bulkier teams or with his utility set on balance teams.
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  • you could use instead of Gliscor or other Rock setters a Landorus set, with Stealth Rock and even Explosion, or a specially defensive Lando, more often than not as a lead; if you wanna use something that shares Gliscor typing and fits better

  • Latios on HyperOffense loses some value, as you can’t drop Draco Meteors or as freely (or even locking on a move), because it’s more easily punishable and you lack a defensive backbone, as the goal is to overwhelm your foe with many offensive threats. A LumBerry + CalmMind set, even a funny DragonDance mixed set, could offer more value. A great piece on HyperOffense teams, instead of Latios, is her twin sister Latias, as she learns Healing Wish. This can help in some matchups, as you can heal back up your breakers after trading favorably with them, especially easier with let’s say Dragonite, Conkeldurr or SD Scizor too

  • I would run FirePunch+ExtremeSpeed+Outrage on Dragonite, you can also use a Lum Berry. Superpower is another underrated option on Dragonite, as you can click it and then immediately come out.

  • I saw your edit of the team, you can also run a FireBlast Chomp with Draco Meteor too, a mixed set can get some opponents by surprise. HP Ice is funny haha, but not consistent on it

wheat timber
opal lark
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You miss important KOs

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;-;

wheat timber
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Usually I’d run Specs on here, with Draco Meteor, Surf, Roost and Trick
colbur berry could be cool too, with HP Fire Draco Surf Roost

wheat timber
opal lark
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I dont think it’s worth it on here, but it can be nice on some occasions

wheat timber
opal lark
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Go for it if you wish, it can be ugly against rain and Tyranitars tho

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olive stag
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That's one stacked skarm

undone dagger
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Why does Gyarados in older gens run earthquake, I never really understood that

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like yeah, you hit steels super effectively, but waterfall already hits them neutrally

prime swan
# wheat timber https://pokepast.es/97cb0e7d517fd200

cool team, I think I kinda like it. It probably works correctly like this. Some important things to notice tho :
In that state, you are loosing to curse fire lax last (when you cant phaze it anymore). It's not uncommon on stall and it's a rare set but just need to have an alarm in your head when playing this to be careful about this set (one good way to beat it is to try to have it be low hp and try to beat it with your zap)
Tar set is a bit particular and generally not good but here it's well justified. Leaving a bit of space to spikers shouldnt be a big problem with this lax set and having both eq + suit is nice for trapping for your team (it could be crunch, but eq for opposing ttar notably mixtar and also nido is good).
A problem I see with the team rn is spin starmie : you have no way to toxic it correctly (lax isnt a very efficient way) so it can kinda spin freely on cloy and tar. Crunch tar would be a possible alternative to help with this, changing cloy from rest to toxic could also help even tho it means you have to be way more worry with your cloy health.
Also less problematic but be careful about machamp : double bird is obviously good against it but tar + rest lax w no talk + bliss gives it a lot of entry.

I think I said most of the things I had in mind, the only change I'd do myself if I wanted to use it would be tox cloy instead of rest, cgz for putting up a good team. Feel free to ask any questions or ask for other team reviews.

wheat timber
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well mie wont win by itself but it will end all your chances of winning

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and after it's up to your opp if he's good enough with his tools to stall break

tender coral
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gives you better angles in certain matchups

jaunty thistle
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alright, thanks

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any other changes?

limber stone
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need something faster than pult ngl

jaunty thistle
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so, zeraora?

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idk what scarfer would fit here

limber stone
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shifu>buzzwole maybe?

jaunty thistle
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i feel like im kinda weak into opposing weavile then

limber stone
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can do colbur bro

jaunty thistle
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do i give something up for body press or js run colbur with the same set

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You don't have snorlax

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# sacred flume https://pokepast.es/239584f3e69babd2 gen 2 ou

Clearly it isnt good. These are some good mons and ig they can work as a defensive core but it's just very passive and does nothing. You lack the main sources of progress in lax and spikes. Not using lax in itself already is a big mistake if you dont have a precise idea of why you are not using it. And not having spikes means your opponent can switch an infinte amount of time without punish and you wont be able to do anything about it, in a tier like gsc it cannot be good as all teams have lefties mons and can heal in someway.
Feel free to ask some more precise advices but for now I'd recommand you to work first with some consistent teams that you can find in samples or in spl teamdumps for example. Understanding how a good team work is a must before trying to make your own.

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I made this recently.

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Lele can probably run a 4A spoon/AV set, something like future sight/psyshock/moonblast/coverage?

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obviously taunt is viable on spoon and NM is always an option for coverage

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scarf Lele is also worth considering too to unlock SD Kartana

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# limber stone https://pokepast.es/bada6b01ef0908e7

I like it, it looks like a team I use a lot with diancie kuyremB over weavile, I think it’s a cool team but serp can miss it up a lot , specially if volcanion gets lowered from rocks and leaf storms, and there’s also no removal, so ferrothorn can literally get all hazards up against you pretty easily since you can’t stay in with mega diancie or u die to whip, its kinda tough to play it against this type of teams which are overly used in the meta.

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Your revenge killer being a garchomp is not a very effective idea since you want to kill metagross (bullet punch ) one with it because it ruins your team, it kills your diancie and weavile , but they can just go any flying type Mon or Lando, also it gets 1hko vs weavile , which u don’t have really good switches for it..

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# undone dagger https://pokepast.es/d31e19a5aece9262

Hi,
Gyarados needs a taunt lead or spin support (esp if he carries a wacan berry). Ik Mixed metagross has been played in spl but it's really gimmicky and it needs to serve a pupose for your team. I'argue you need more speed control here. Heracross is not a good option in the metagame.
Unfortunately my first point on gyara forces you to make drastic changes to your team. 🙁

undone dagger
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With only 1 rock setter

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Double rocks is very rare

undone dagger
undone dagger
cobalt vigil
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I have a total of 1 stall team with double rocks in mind. I guess you can, but it's usually when you slep it on your scarfer for specific reasons

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And you want a backup

undone dagger
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So just an lead rock setter?

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And then a generic wall for the steel in the back?

cobalt vigil
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Yeah with taunt

undone dagger
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For enemy steels

cobalt vigil
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Or you play donhpan / mie

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You don't pure walls because if slows down the pace of the team

undone dagger
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Yeah

cobalt vigil
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Swampert is too slow for this

undone dagger
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I was thinking maybe like Gliscor or defensive rotom

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Since this team

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Has issues with steels

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Mostly bronzong and agility Metagross

undone dagger
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Im prob gonna lead Aerodactyl unless I get a better idea

undone dagger
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undone dagger
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Sorry for multi ping

cobalt vigil
cobalt vigil
# undone dagger Sorry if this was sent before already https://pokepast.es/80b0d801d6d116cb

It's an unorthodox team. There's a nice setup for rd kingdra with heatran + gar, but the Gliscor feels a bit off here. I get what its typing brings. A tweak you could try is to put gliscor as an sd wincon, put a special anti lead and use Heatran as your rocker.
You should definitely use tpunch on Jirachi because Gyarados looks too threatening, especially if he has sub

undone dagger
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Gliscor is good since you can double u turn and KO azelf easily, and taunt slower leads

gritty scaffold
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Sometimes gyara is wacan berry to take elec moves , considering ur not using a stab move id wonder if hits that hard

undone dagger
gritty scaffold
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Well because that berry reduces dmg from elec moves

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Your kingdra will only 2 shot gyara even after rocks

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By comparison 252 SpA Rotom-Wash Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Wacan Berry Gyarados: 270-318 (81.5 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ SpA 30 IVs Life Orb Kingdra Hidden Power Electric vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Wacan Berry Gyarados: 176-208 (53.1 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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And gyara might be able to set up for free after you draco aswell something

undone dagger
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Wacan also isnt that common from what I see

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A lot more people run leftovers or lum berry

slate rain
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Can someone playtest my team in gen 8 haxmeters ou on the pet mods server with me? Just bring a gen 8 ou team

undone dagger
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undone dagger
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Revised version of the team

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I know it lacks an electric resist

strong lagoon
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first time i rate a team here so sry if i'm doing things wrong: @undone dagger 1: team probably has trouble vs def latias and stall in general, gyara taunt is supposed to help but u'll see that set usually leftovers, because wacan or lum loses to def skarm brave bird even with taunt, but with lefto u beat it, u also do better vs latias (though here u don't touch it which is why usually taunt gyara will run waterfall return/double edge

undone dagger
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I didnt even consider double edge. Is that good into starmie?

strong lagoon
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2: specs zapdos is a very specific mon and will have trouble vs stall and u can't rly spam electric because if a ground switch u don't have a switching, a mon that destroys and enjoys aerodactyl support could be something like dragonite

undone dagger
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I used to not like EQ gyara but now I see how good it is to OHKO less bulky steels lol

undone dagger
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But eh

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So many physical attackers

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So many walls

strong lagoon
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it's a possibility and it gives u a switch into electric attacks

undone dagger
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Electric attacks are just a really rough time in general lol

strong lagoon
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in a more general way, your team lacks defensive synergy, if feels like an offense, but is probably intended as a hyper offense, and some mons lacks support here like scizor and metagross, scizor will have trouble into skarm and fp jira even with occa, meta will have trouble into skarm (force explo) and bulky rotom sets

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gyarados doesn't particularly needs support here but the others do

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infernape will have trouble into latias, and nothing rly punishes that in your team

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like ok meta and scizor take the draco meteor but the lati is still alive and rdy to answer the nape

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btw that meta set u can remove 60hp from speed and add it to hp, cause u still outspeed scarf rotom this way

undone dagger
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Oh ok

undone dagger
undone dagger
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If so over who

strong lagoon
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Cause they lack support

undone dagger
strong lagoon
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Something like scarf lati would support nape and the rest of the team

strong lagoon
undone dagger
strong lagoon
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I like adamant aqua tail fire punch crunch rnow

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Cause u 2 hit ko donphan and do more to hippodown

limber stone
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velvet mural
# limber stone https://pokepast.es/f799bc3a48cd4411

hello, thats a really nice h.o team, i think i have seen it before are you the one who built it ? anyways the team is kinda slow, scarfers can ruin the day if u dont setup, with sand, mega alakazam torn also can be really hard to win against, twave from thundrus seems also annoying most likely, on paper it's a good team but need good drive through to be able to achieve wins, i like it keep it going ♥

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i would recommend to get rid of the keldeo on this type of team and bring in thundrus tho, volt absorb can help more than keldeo in this type of team also to get rid of volcarona and put in bisharp or scarf latios will not just get stopped, need a dark mon , specially with no spin or defog, even latias with healing wish/defog can be better than keldeo imo

stiff sable
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Anyone interested in making suggestions on a custom older format?

iron haven
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Im new to all those terms, OU is just "national dex" right? I dont see it anywhere else on sd

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Oops, wrong chat team 👨🏿‍🦯

opal lark
# iron haven Im new to all those terms, OU is just "national dex" right? I dont see it anywhe...

OU stands for OverUsed
And it represents the standard format in every generation of Pokemon, (gen 1 OU, gen 2 OU, and so on)
Smogon tiers are formed by usage stats in the current generation, so once a generation ends (for example, when we went from SwSh to SV in 2022), the pokemons that are OU at that time will be OU until further tiering action (a ban for example)

National Dex was born during Generation 8 due to the necessity of having a format with the additions of Generation 8 while keeping every Pokemon and mechanic from the previous generation, as thanks to Dexit some Pokemon arent available. Same goes for Generation 9 National Dex

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If you want to play with Generation 9 staples AND mega-evolutions+z-moves, National Dex is the format

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opal lark
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quasi umbra
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sorry for the whole spam

rare herald
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quasi umbra
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im so sorry ty

rare herald
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sorry should've mentioned this lol

quasi umbra
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quasi umbra
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ill delete my previous thing

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just want some help with building and optimizing this team specifically the teamates besdies metagross and tyranitar they are the stars and im willing to change their movesets but not those two as mons

frigid idol
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the team would improve if you change Starmie with Excadrill so you can use the sand Tyranitar sets and you are better vs Volcarona

velvet mural
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^

frigid idol
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You lose sustain vs Keldeo etc so you would need maybe make Serp chesto berry with rest

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or you replace keldeo with something and keep starmie

rare herald
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I do feel like exca is needed

quasi umbra
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okay excad it is

velvet mural
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so just like paprika said, this team loses to volcarona real hard, so it's better to have a excadrill to use sand or if u dont want to change starmie , you can make ttar AV so it can tank a hit and revenge kill volcarona, also i would say if u decide to put ttar as av, you need toxic instead of icy wind on keldeo, to chip down slowbro.

quasi umbra
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so change starmie with excadrill

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adamant sweeper sand rush pne rt

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i do lack speed checks

velvet mural
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i would say talonflame with will-o is a nightmare for the team

quasi umbra
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so this instead

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like i said im open to changing movesets as well (should i bring ice punch on metagross) ive been so split between ice punch/ earthquake over hammer arm or thunder punch

rare herald
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I was like wtf is ignite😭 😭

quasi umbra
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also i am perfectly fine with changing from choice band ttar

velvet mural
quasi umbra
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to some other ttar set

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also idk how i feel about keldeo im open to swapping same with landorus

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serperior seems like a really good teamate (metagross hates bulky waters they are the bane of my existance)

velvet mural
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there's a set for metagross with power up punch , thunder punch - bullet punch , zen headbutt

quasi umbra
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i saw that one on the sample team for oras ou

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but i mostly want metagross to be my "star" yknow the team revolves around him

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if that makes sense

velvet mural
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you can kill a bisharp for example and get +1 and ur thunder punch is really good against water that set just need 1 power up to be a star

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but i understand your POV

quasi umbra
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i might try that so like

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it just sucks metagross has such four move syndrome

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so like this

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also what was that about the serp chesto with rest

velvet mural
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chesto makes u tank a hit from keldeo for example scald

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then if u get burned

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u can just get back to full

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will re-create ur team with it if u want

quasi umbra
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okay could u recreate it is that what you mean are the other teamates fine? or any other reccomendations

velvet mural
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u can change the hp on serp i forgot to change it

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it was rock on the team i coppied the serp from

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you can make it fire/etc

quasi umbra
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okay ty btw so any other teamate suggestions? like is landorus t and keldeo fine or am i better off with other stuff ( i prefer a more in between of bulky offense / pffense im tryna get back into comp pokemon and idk if this aligns with that school of thought

velvet mural
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i would say use the team on the ladder, and feel the flows, because i can suggest some mons to change but it will change everything about the team, it's almost an h.o team right now

quasi umbra
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i dont honestly care for hyper offense any mons youd suggest to change besides metagross and ttar or moveset adjustmenst for em im perfectly fine with changing the entire thing besides those two

velvet mural
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check when there's no switches and what u need to make the team better

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etc

quasi umbra
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sorry if thats alot

velvet mural
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its not really we are happy here to assist you build a better team, the thing is, for example i would say how do u kill a mon on paper is much different than ingame

quasi umbra
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yeah i see

velvet mural
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like without meteor mash , your metagross cant really kill a clefable, but also, now u have an excadrill

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etc

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so we change something but we add other to cover it up always

quasi umbra
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im just like saying im so open to changing the entire team up or movesets just dont wanna change ttar and metagross and im opeing to changing thgeir movesets

velvet mural
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now u have an answer to volcarona

quasi umbra
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yeah i see

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bisharp wasa bitch with this one team i had

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that was similar

velvet mural
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why?

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u had keldeo

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u mean because of knock ?

quasi umbra
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(before i added keldeo i had latias

velvet mural
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ah ye thats so hard for sure

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keldeo fixed that for u, also fixed a switch for weavile

quasi umbra
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so like ar eyou able to suggest a complete team revamp thats more bulky offense or balanced or offense im not the biggest fan of bulky offense

velvet mural
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i would suggest to use the team for now, until u find issue

quasi umbra
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okay

velvet mural
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the loop is always like that

you create something

Play with it > find issue > fix it > play with it again (loop)

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until you're comfortoble about the team and know how to use it correctly

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im trying ur team now

quasi umbra
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ty man

velvet mural
quasi umbra
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just metagross and ttar are two of my favorite mons and i always try to make a team with them

velvet mural
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u can watch it

quasi umbra
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it aint workin because im in a agme too

velvet mural
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u can watch it later then after ur game ends

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metagross came in cluch, with the tech

quasi umbra
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okay let me watch again

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if ur still using it

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that bullet punch priority with power up punch is nuts

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thius team is pretty sick

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this team is fucking sick u were so right about the power up punch

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thats so fuckin cool

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@velvet mural this team is so sick thank you so much

velvet mural
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you welcome bro ♥

quasi umbra
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its so much fun too

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the snowballing of metagross is so sick

velvet mural
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happy to hear it

quasi umbra
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any adjustmenst you think you would make based on ur experience

velvet mural
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i just played 1 game with the team the one i shared with you

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will play couple more and tell u whatt i would personally change for myself if it was my team

quasi umbra
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yeah (which is why i was just wondering) you dont have to btw i appreciate all the help

velvet mural
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nah all good love to do it

quasi umbra
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would it be okay if i could watch

quasi umbra
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ran into a substitue heatran and couldnt get past it they were swapping their own serperior over and over again

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and then i only killed it with my own serperior and bullet punched it but they already killed like 2 of my mons

velvet mural
velvet mural
quasi umbra
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ran in to a bulky zapdos and an amoongus and got walled

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that was a good game

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lopunny might be an issue

velvet mural
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a bit yeah

quasi umbra
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this was the exact team i had trouble with

velvet mural
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lets see if i can break it with ur team

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the key this game is ttar

quasi umbra
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wdym

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i guess you broke him lmao

velvet mural
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zz

quasi umbra
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dang i really wanted to see that play out

velvet mural
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will try to get him again lol

rare herald
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uh this feels like a DMs thing maybe

velvet mural
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yeah

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true

quasi umbra
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okay sorry

pine scaffold
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hi, i’m VERY rusty when it comes to gen 7ou due to an amnesia disorder and im trying to get back into team building and playing,

would anyone help me improve this?
https://pokepast.es/01b02b2032765226

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pine scaffold
opal beacon
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Maybe a shift gear fairy z magearna and u can replace the bug z on volcarona for just Lum/lo and make it offensive

pine scaffold
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oh nvm you did

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good idea! i’ll try that

opal beacon
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And go serp last with defog taunt leaf strong and glare

pine scaffold
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🙂‍↕️ thank you so much

opal beacon
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if not serp maybe u can replace lando for excadrill btw

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that way u have a rock setter + spinner

pine scaffold
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shoild i run thunderbolt or volt switch on magearna?

opal beacon
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sash excadrill
Rock tomb
Eq
Spin
Stealth Rock
Maybe this set> landorus

And serp with rocky helmet for medi/lop hits
Glare
Taunt
Defog
Leaf

opal beacon
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Use the smogon analysis set
Shift gear
Tbolt
Ice beam
Fleur
Can also run focus instead of ice beam that's ur call

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Me personally I would run focus so that I can deal with heatran / ferro /exca / ttar

pine scaffold
pine scaffold
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but that’s on AV sets

opal beacon
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With exca u can set ur own and remove opposing hazards as well with spin

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vs lando leads u just lead serp

pine scaffold
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that’s smart 🙂‍↕️

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i’m just getting back into gen 7 ou after 3 years

opal beacon
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Incase u lead exca and the oppo leads say lop/medi
It's for clicking fake out to break sash so u double out to ur serp which is rocky helmet and defensive

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But good players might just click hjk

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Depends tbh but eh this would be a bit safer for sure

pine scaffold
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thank you!! i’ll take note of this all

opal beacon
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I would make the volcarona offensive

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Lum/life or both work

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Don't need roost

pine scaffold
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swap out roost yeah

opal beacon
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quiver dance
Flame/fire blast
Bug buzz
Hp ground

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can do psychic if u want for pex

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I prolly have a nintales team on pc, if I find it I will ping u

pine scaffold
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yea i was thinking psychic especially because im low ladder rn so 150000 stall teams every 5 minutes

pine scaffold
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greninja is not a permanent team member he was just there for test battles

opal beacon
# pine scaffold thank you so much!

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • Explosion
  • Swords Dance

Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Aurora Veil
  • Freeze-Dry
  • Encore
  • Hail

Magearna @ Electrium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Shift Gear
  • Thunderbolt
  • Ice Beam
  • Focus Blast

Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Crunch
  • Waterfall
  • Substitute

Hawlucha @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 36 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Acrobatics
  • Swords Dance
  • High Jump Kick
  • Roost

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Psychic
  • Moonblast
  • Hidden Power [Fire]
  • Focus Blast
pine scaffold
opal beacon
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it's either hjk or drain punch

pine scaffold
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it was gen 8

opal beacon
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hjk is just better for the power, idk what the evs do tbh

opal beacon
opal beacon
pine scaffold
opal beacon
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I don't get the av mag , that should again prolly be offense, this looks like it gets owned by +1 dd mega Charizard

pine scaffold
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i mainly picked av because kommo-o was on the z move and i wasn’t super sure what item to run

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maybe wiki berry

opal beacon
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okay here is what I would run
Maybe offensive mag

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Maybe scarf victini>scarf greninja

opal beacon
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Shift gear shuca

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If not shift gear
Cm also works

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Scarf victini
Gambit
Vcreate
Bolt strike/trick
Uturn/trick

pine scaffold
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with victini i’d only worry about the big water weakness

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with diancie, volcarona, and victini

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but i guess calm mind thunderbolt magerna + serp is enough coverage

opal beacon
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Actually

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Maybe thundrus>victini

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With nasty plot and agility

pine scaffold
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yea i was thinking kyurem black

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but thundurs is a good idea

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i think i’ll do that

opal beacon
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not therian

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Or maybe it's the theiran one

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Uhh the one which has volt absorb

karmic geyserBOT
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Thundurus (Gen 9)
Typing

Electric / Flying

Abilities

0: Prankster | H: Defiant

Base Stats (BST: 580)

79 / 115 / 70 / 125 / 80 / 111

Weight

61 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

Male Only

opal beacon
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Okaynnot this one

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Yes it's thundrus therian

pine scaffold
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yea i think ill do that

opal beacon
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with nasty plot and agility tbolt, focus

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Check the analysis set

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It gives u ground type immunity as well

pine scaffold
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reading through it rn

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gonna run leftovers too

opal beacon
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Could run berry as well

pine scaffold
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but i’m also wondering if thundurus therians support set might be a better utility than serp

opal beacon
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Prolly has that mentioned in the analysis

opal beacon
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Check whatever meets ur comfort

pine scaffold
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Thundurus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 112 HP / 144 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Volt Switch
  • Hidden Power Ice
  • Taunt
  • Defog
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this one

opal beacon
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bcoz thund can be defog vswitch or offensive

pine scaffold
opal beacon
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And then u could make the serp as scarf offensive

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Try stuff , only way to be sure

pine scaffold
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what i typically do is check the list of checks for each pokemon on smogon, and look at my other team members and make sure those checks are handled by other team members and then do a couple test battles against teams that i’d have less of a good matchup against

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i just have a friend play the opponent teams 🙂‍↕️

opal beacon
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That works but SM is pretty vast

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Most teams don't cover all threats

quasi umbra
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So I found some weaknesses with this team, I’m weak against other grass types, talon flame is a problem, and I don’t have a reliable check to scizor( don’t have any reliable fire move answers) https://pokepast.es/ace7be9e24d641db any way to mitigate that? For gen 6 OU (btw superior has hidden power fire not rock)

wise hatch
undone dagger
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gritty scaffold
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everything feels just so random

undone dagger
gritty scaffold
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zam doesnt rly work well in rain , recover is useless on zam

worldly walrus
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i feel like zam doesnt fit

gritty scaffold
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since is often getting 2 shot

worldly walrus
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yeah

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hp fire is also ujseless on rain

undone dagger
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ok

gritty scaffold
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i mean even the other mons arent that great

worldly walrus
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since you want your weather to be up

undone dagger
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for ferrothorn

gritty scaffold
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ferro , poli i think you can still just change the sets

undone dagger
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i didnt go with any sample sets

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went in blind

gritty scaffold
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well you should

undone dagger
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like a grab bag lol

worldly walrus
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also you have no spinner which is a problem with gyara and dnite, you really should get tenta

gritty scaffold
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sample sets are usually the best

worldly walrus
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on your team

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tenta/starmie is obligatory on rain

undone dagger
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is tentacruel good

worldly walrus
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yea

gritty scaffold
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well

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not amazing

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but its okay in rain sometimes

undone dagger
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Im so used to gen 4 its not even funny

gritty scaffold
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eihter that or starmie

undone dagger
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ok ill replace alakazam with cruel

worldly walrus
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jelli doesnt rlly fit either imo

undone dagger
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oh

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i thought jellicent was like

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one of the best pokemon

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in the tier?

worldly walrus
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it doesnt benefit from rain, here it is just unnecessary weakness stacking

upper plume
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Nope

worldly walrus
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also no, not really

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it is solid

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but only on certain teams

gritty scaffold
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i think you could change dnite to a choice band 4 atks set here , agility thundy over gyara and maybe scarf jira over jelly?

undone dagger
gritty scaffold
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jelly only rly fits well in skarm ho teams

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even then jelly doesnt block spin

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that well

undone dagger
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oh wow this is a lot

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im getting overwhelmed

gritty scaffold
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exca more often than not will 2 hit ko if not okho that thing

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and tenta can toxic you