NatDex OU Rates

[tame galleon]

wtf it doesn't ?

could have sworn it did ?

[modern cave]

Nah its shown as illegal on here

[tame galleon]

damn

try shadow ball or smth then

[modern cave]

Also would you say i get rid of specs for smth else then? Ik its more of a support and defensive mon anyways but thought it might of been good otherwise

[finite lark]

Slowking usually runs Assault Vest or Heavy duty boots

[modern cave]

Alright i think my teams good now thanks

[nocturne summit]

https://pokepast.es/905ebc68d80ae369 does this suck?

[blazing moth]

scizor should have knock off, the defense on iron val seems pretty useless (same with vaccim wave), the zapdos is fine but should be max hp and max defense, ting lu should be max hp and max special defense, samurott should be either scarf or black glasses with sacred sword and flip turn/swords dance here, or just replace it with an ogerpon-w that's fine too

oh and specs gking is just really really bad

like, horrible set

[modern cave]

Oh I changed a bunch dw

[blazing moth]

should be an pivot with chilly reception and future sight

[modern cave]

Some if thsts still usefull though

[blazing moth]

i recommend sending again just in case

[blazing moth]

phys tankchomp needs helmet and dragon tail

team's also cooked by volc because of the movesets especially moltres

and cm pagos is very bad outside of some specific hos

and makes u weaker to gliscor

[civic cedar]

i lowkey don’t like how it struggles to pivot

not running helmet on chomp is weird to me because you’re tankchomp

[nocturne summit]

actually forget roar exists

[blazing moth]

I'd just run

a flying move

over toxic

and flamethrower for scizor

scizor kinda destroys you without it

[civic cedar]

lowkey if zama goes down you just lose to ting lu

[nocturne summit]

so the problem is just with the sets?

[blazing moth]

might be a bit weak to spikes too

[nocturne summit]

uhh not really, ting lu without wish support gets heavily chipped by time so in most cases it's not lasting long

[civic cedar]

lowkey ive been working on some bs lately

ive been working on this for a while but i cant seem to get it right https://pokepast.es/b2d705a2c51af4ba

[gentle trench]

even if u really want to keep braviary ace and washer dont fit

ace is just removing your own screens with court change and washer is just a waste of screens turns

[thorn ether]

https://pokepast.es/8bd983b0f1fc21f8 can someone find me a replacement for ograpeon

[celest merlin]

Hey @thorn ether, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[night lark]

@gentle trench

[vast bronze]

https://pokepast.es/6d7b0bab8dcbba54

[civic cedar]

yeah they’ve been the pokemon ive tried moving the most

[tame galleon]

it's a kartana team with no ground/rock types ?

[tame galleon]

lowkey ferro

[blazing moth]

why are we court changing our screens

also we have practically no way to defeat a zapdos here

[empty olive]

yes u do just double crit

[civic cedar]

shockingly i’ve been fine against zapdos

idk how

but +2 z fly kinda nukes it

though you’re right it definitely is an issue

cinderace and rotom have been the two slots ive been struggling with

can’t seem to find something i like in place of them, though they’re both pretty bad

[blazing moth]

it rly doesn't you need +4 to win the 1v1 but sure

cunderace is just

straight up a nuisance to your team

he does meaningful negative things to ur gameplan if you wanna combat hazards quickly use a magic bounce pokemon or a rapid spinner

hatt or idk pagos or tusk is good

rotom can be like

just about any water type ever and it's better

roost on braviary is also

just kinda bad

doesnt help with anything but like

chansey

[vast bronze]

idk what to change

[civic cedar]

alright

[civic cedar]

i’m gonna keep the braviary set, it’s smth i saw and thought it’d be fun to build around

[gaunt stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/6cbfe846a8cb5692

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @blazing moth. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt stirrup]

Side Note- Venusaur and Garchomp have to stay, I’m building smth and I rlly don’t want to actually other Pokémon that are rarer than the ones I alr got

[tame galleon]

absol mega is NOT part of the team

and i have trouble seeing magnezone's utility here tbh

even clef i'm kinda doubting but it's clef so it gets to stay

[tame galleon]

why not make it sun lowkey

anyways trick AND recover kinda bad cause it greatly limits dengo ; using make it rain only works once as burst damage, shadow ball is reliable but resisted by normal/dark types, you can't use recover before using trick first ; and then you're slower so you might just die after tricking depending on what you did, change it
also maybe throw terapagos out idrk what it's bringing here

[celest merlin]

Terapagos (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Tera Shift

Base Stats (BST: 450)

90 / 65 / 85 / 65 / 85 / 60

Weight

6.5 kg (20 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

Terapagos-Stellar (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Teraform Zero

Base Stats (BST: 700)

160 / 105 / 110 / 130 / 110 / 85

Weight

77 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[tame galleon]

wha

[celest merlin]

Terapagos-Terastal (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Tera Shell

Base Stats (BST: 600)

95 / 95 / 110 / 105 / 110 / 85

Weight

16 kg (40 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[tame galleon]

there we are

it's still defensive

[gaunt stirrup]

It’s not bad tho

It’s literally standard

And Terapogos gives spin so I don’t have to use defog to remove my own hazards?

And I can use recover then just switch if I need to, pretty common to do so

[tame galleon]

momentum loss but you do you

[tame galleon]

pagos isn't bad or anything it's just that i personally think you'd benefit from some stronger offense

[gaunt stirrup]

Terapagos is already giving me offense

[blazing moth]

p sure this gets destroyed by kingambit

[gaunt stirrup]

?

[blazing moth]

also pagos is like p bad removal for a team with mvenu

[gaunt stirrup]

All but 1 mon hit Gambit for super effective dmg and can play mindgames

Venu being able to do most of its health w ep and heal if it tries to sucker

[blazing moth]

so it just needs to get in on a shadow ball then it wins

[gaunt stirrup]

Heatran has storm and 2 non atking moves alongside ep for again, dmg

and Pogos also has ep

[blazing moth]

you also have no resists to it mind you

pagos aint doing shit in the late game bro

[gaunt stirrup]

Don’t I just keep tera shell and be fine

[blazing moth]

shell is alr consumed by that time

[blazing moth]

so we just never remove hazards till then

again on a team with mega venu

[gaunt stirrup]

It pressures most spin blockers already tho

and I’ve been able to hit threats w just pretty solid dmg

Tbh did notice problems w M Tar more than Gambit
Kinda thinking Za would do nicely here, but also I added m Venu as to help vs M Diancie and whatnot

So not sure what to do in those cases
and mb if I sound like I’m trying to play smart w you @blazing moth, trying to transition from SVOU since I decided to quit the tier

Hate stacking grounds but what do you advice for the team, bc not sure

[vast bronze]

Absol is to pursuit trap, Mag is for steels and the birds. Clef is for any booster

[tame galleon]

you're good on steel already tho
also tf is absol trapping

[celest merlin]

Absol-Mega (Champions)

Typing

Dark

Abilities

0: Magic Bounce

Base Stats (BST: 565)

65 / 150 / 60 / 115 / 60 / 115

Weight

49 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[tame galleon]

bro

no bulk

if you said revenge killing i might have heard you out (and even then 115 is rough)

[blazing moth]

i mean u don't do shit against loon ghold which is like 1 out of every 4/5 gholds ferro and pecha should slam on it too ceru/chomp cant win the 1v1 but ur forced into an uncomfortable position nontheless and a bunch of hazard setters defeat/threathen pagos themselves without needing to even punish spin like ttar ting lu skarm ferro (again)

[tame galleon]

they really gave it magic bounce tho

[blazing moth]

ttar is also a problem with no dark resist yeah

mvenu just doesn't work without consistent hazards control that lasts over the course of a game

pagos can spin more than once but it's practically always gonna be much harder, riskier or outright a trade by that point

whereas something like iron treads or zap rely on actually good matchups to get multiple consistent spins over the course of a game

pagos is also pretty hard to control with one pivot

[blazing moth]

anyways u most definitely go tusk over pagos

could also try hamu over tran and give rocks to chomp bc spikes offensive z chomp is mid

since ur not stayin in long enough to set multiple layers a lot of the times

this is kinda up to u tho

u have a bunch of guys that can be rockers

[gaunt stirrup]

What set for Tusk? Js usual offensive?

And I think I could do rocks on Tusk since it doesn’t break or sweep as well as Chomp could w a 3rd move like edge imo
Then again I could go rocks Chomp and edge on Tusk for stuff like Molt

which would be nice since it could hit Gliscor too and others

And I assume AV Samu for this team?

So… smth like this?

https://pokepast.es/b9e242f371d9c475

I think flip would be nice

On Rott

[patent kraken]

https://pokepast.es/95ceb4354869de85

TSS Natdex version

[gaunt stirrup]

P sure you just go rocks on Glisc and not on Pagos but

not sure since I’m not too familiar with the tier

[patent kraken]

Noted noted

[nocturne summit]

just ground, literally the only good rock type is ttar and it's strictly sand or HO

[blazing moth]

yea sure

can switch rocks for cc or not depends on the direction u take it in general

taking a look laters

[gaunt stirrup]

team is omega weak to zap

[blazing moth]

z chomp is like

amazing specifically because it destroys zap

k not specifically vut it's a big selling point

u also have a Heatran

or had idk

hm you dont

hanu should be offensive btw av is like rly hard to fit and you dont need to counter ghold that badly

[blazing moth]

this is doing a lot gymnastics to try to be a stall and a balance at the same time you should just pick one

if you wanna slowly chip ur opp down w tox and sand you need hippodown too ttar is never lasting long enough especially with no wish support

anyways I'd just make this a semi stall/stall team since you have basically one and a half stall cores here

[patent kraken]

I see thank you

[proper cape]

https://pokepast.es/44f7136f66b2dd45
Hey, made this due to lots of testing
Added taunt over toxic bc had problems with stall, but tbh it might be bc I was on tilt and just faced stall after stall
The other team I had DOES have the Samurott as you said, but I've found Heatran to be a lot better in defensive cases really, although that's from personal exp
I also decided to use temper flare tusk since I genuinely NEVER click edge, and doing headlong into temper vs corvi and skarm has been rlly nice when they get a little bit of chip
Psyshock is also for stall but considered stuff like fblast and power gem
Any additional thoughts? This is obvi an alt btw, just doing smth here

[blazing moth]

tusk should be cc not temper flare

and psyshock ghold is like

really awful, especially on non nasty plot sets

[proper cape]

Isn't it good for stuff like Clod?
Probably my OU side coming out

[blazing moth]

tricking ur scarf already helps you a good chunk vs would be stall answers

[proper cape]

Fair point tho

What should the last move be?

[blazing moth]

recover or focus blast

probably recover

[proper cape]

Alr

Anything else? Abt to go to sleep

[blazing moth]

no

i think

if theres anything i missed meda will roast the team in my place

[proper cape]

Alr, have a good day
Before that tho, how's Chomp looking? Ik you said smth abt spikes Chomp but it seems alright

[blazing moth]

anyways im boutta sleep too gn

[proper cape]

Since it's apart of smogons recommended thing

[blazing moth]

spikes chomp is like usable

[blazing moth]

not better than rocks but if you have something else using rocks it's okay

[proper cape]

Alr

Appreciate it very much

Have a good night

[blazing moth]

np

u2

[visual tartan]

https://pokepast.es/d24f43bbd69e63aa

[main pollen]

hello smogon people, ive been trying to make alakazam work, would some of you have any ideas how to improve current team/core?:https://pokepast.es/ea9dcf45f64110e2

ive been trying galarian moltres instead of tyranitar but it didnt seem to work tbh

@blazing moth mentionning my G

[blazing moth]

if you wanna use gmolt you needs to use it in hyper offense teams

anyways i cant rate rn

[gaunt stirrup]

Hyper offense with a random chud (gliscor)

[visual tartan]

Had no clue what else to put lmao

[main pollen]

i see!

thanks

[main pollen]

who cna i @ for rating? if u dont mind

[blazing moth]

lando works

screens setter should also be something else like koko or zamazenta

[blazing moth]

either @limber crypt @gray lake or @gentle trench

[warm nova]

https://pokepast.es/ac1e6843d1564f7e
i saw this team on samples but i couldnt find a post by the authors explaining what the team does, can anyone give me a runthrough

[celest merlin]

New [Gen 9] National Dex RMT @gray lake, @limber crypt, @blazing moth. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[main pollen]

ty! https://pokepast.es/1a3501fd0eb1f04a current core if any of you wants to help :))

[visual tartan]

What do they do?

[blazing moth]

set screens better

[visual tartan]

But don't they take 2 turns to set light screen and reflect?

[blazing moth]

which they can actually afford to with their much better typings and stats especially speed

koko can also pivot

keep in mind you have a dragonite