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[meager drum]

https://pokepast.es/729724860ede9a57

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[meager drum]

i made another concept

since i want to make manaphy work, would be really funny

i wouldve ran screens corv but i also want prankster on dudun

[sacred oriole]

I think you have a good webs concept working

But would replace dudun with a webs Smeargle

If you really want to lean into para spam, make Ghold TWave + Hex

But I think Webs will be more consistent speed control

[meager drum]

i swapped the team around because i didnt like how it played

last 3 got replaced with these

i think it covers all bases

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/ee606d22a025c38c this feels bad for some reason

[sleek merlin]

Consider Gravity over uturn on Landot, would let it overcome corvs

[arctic solar]

how does this Rain Mix and Mega team look? (and could it work)

https://pokepast.es/eb3661cc3349c63c

oh and im considering switching over Protect or Rapid Spin for Earthquake

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Mix and Mega RMT @real osprey, @pliant coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd spoke]

liligant and scizor has to be bad righ

[arctic solar]

i went for Lilligant since it's the fastest special attacking Grass-type with access to both Solar Beam and Weather Ball (which is perfect for Mega Sol) and Scizor for the typical physical wall

[shrewd spoke]

idk mnm that well but im pretty sure there are much better physical wall options

also im not sure if lilligant is worth when theres a lot of good dragons in the tier and most dont immediately die to alluring voice

[sleek merlin]

lillgant is kinda terrible, suggest literally anything else, normally rain teams in MnM ALWAYS have Swampertite Archaludon, it is literally what makes it viable in the first place.

[arctic solar]

means ill have to drop Urshi or go for a different mega stone?

[sleek merlin]

Swap Urshifu to Metagrossite, maybe run Magearna over Scissor for better defensive profile in MnM, with Chimchite / Zeraorite / or another immunity

For Zapdos there is no real reason to run magearnite when lucarionite exists which gives speed and amp damage

run 3oa (hurricane/thunder/weather ball)

archaludon should be running Electro Shot / Flash cannon / Dragon pulse / filler

[untold hornet]

https://pokepast.es/88cd36cbde638854

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @shrewd spoke, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[untold hornet]

yippie

uh so berry on waterceus cuz i don’t like pdon

also how can i improof that maria

mirai

[shrewd spoke]

ok no this waterceus is just not good 🥀

[untold hornet]

grr what should i get instead

another arc?

like ghost. or poiso?

[shrewd spoke]

do u wanna run offense or balance

[untold hornet]

as fat as possible

[shrewd spoke]

ok so nuke one of ur breakers idt u can feasibly fix the defensive issues with 3 slots

[untold hornet]

uh is mirai a breaker

[shrewd spoke]

one of kart or diancie

i dont like th mirai either tbh

[untold hornet]

i just chose a speed control that looks cute

[shrewd spoke]

mirai is fine i just dont like th on it

[untold hornet]

er erm erm paper then

rock looks better

[shrewd spoke]

i think a generally ok course of action is like make arc ghosty and if u wanna kill kart then replace it for a regenvest of some kind

u cant offensively improof it with diancie unfortunately diancie doesnt do enough damage but it still gets diancie in safely

[untold hornet]

https://pokepast.es/8cbdfba078e9de51

or should i make the rocket regen vest instead

[shrewd spoke]

well ideally the regenvest would be improofed

[untold hornet]

so like smth over nuzzle

[shrewd spoke]

i guess miraidon sorta improofs it but u dont rly threaten it

[untold hornet]

sony ghostceus can come in?

https://pokepast.es/2b766c5583ee4f29

[shrewd spoke]

btw u also need an out vs desoland pdon

[shrewd spoke]

no nuzzle is good

u just want to make miraidon force it out more

[untold hornet]

who freed those 3 annoying stuffs

[shrewd spoke]

or i guess add like spikes somewhere so imp is more disincentivised to switchin

[untold hornet]

how do i do so tho like a more offensive mirai?

[shrewd spoke]

bc tcage damage is actually threatening w spikes

[untold hornet]

i hv spikes on arc

[shrewd spoke]

ig thats fine

[untold hornet]

what deals with that

a ground ?

wbb celest

[shrewd spoke]

actually does celesteela even improof diancie

[untold hornet]

uh

we hv fat whale to take special hits

[shrewd spoke]

how much does pyro ball do to fc

[untold hornet]

and fc for diamond storm

does imp copy ability

[shrewd spoke]

yes

[untold hornet]

252 Atk Sheer Force Diancie-Mega Pyro Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Celesteela: 140-166 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

uh

not ideal

come in and then teleport ig

but who’s rking

[shrewd spoke]

yeah thats really bad 💔

what about diamond storm to no fc

[untold hornet]

252 Atk Sheer Force Diancie-Mega Pyro Ball vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Celesteela: 308-364 (77.3 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

💔

can i get myself a dino

[shrewd spoke]

thats pyro ball

[untold hornet]

252 Atk Sheer Force Diancie-Mega Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Celesteela: 193-228 (48.4 - 57.2%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO

sorry i play draft

252 Atk Sheer Force Diancie-Mega Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 175-207 (43.9 - 52%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO

[shrewd spoke]

damn this sucks

[untold hornet]

buff celest

tbf celest is like 90-110

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/4ce22f56fb144442 is this good for a starter? I feel like I really butchered this 😭

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pliant coral]

Honestly Palkia is not a good God to utilize as a donator of stats...and Jolteon is not a good receiver

The other mons are halfway decent choices on a normal team so you could probably benefit from a better God like Eternatus or Arceus-Ghost

Electrode-Hisui > Jolteon works as a SpA receiver too and is miles better

It does overlap a bit with Rillaboom so you may benefit moreso from something like Clefable

[pliant coral]

https://pokepast.es/f26caf40ae214995 Something like this would be "basic" but works

[gray crane]

isn't electrode walled by any dragon type?

[gray crane]

won't my team be full special attackers?

[pliant coral]

Tera Blast Ice helps with that

[pliant coral]

You can go for a physical attacker in Speed or Attack if you want variety which is recommended but not always "required"

[gray crane]

won't that make it a tera hog?

[oak topaz]

You probably don’t need to ask in both here and omcord

Advice just repeats because neither side usually checks the other

[gray crane]

just want to see different opinions

[oak topaz]

You could actually ping both there too it might be better

[sterile elk]

i think you kinda need smth better than rilla here

it doesn't really help you w/ anything

[pliant coral]

Yes and no. You don't have to Tera for all Dragons every game but it is an option to have nonetheless

[gray crane]

idk what to put there, I prefer something physical but still idk

[sterile elk]

you could consider ceru here ig

a bulk up set would be nice here

[gray crane]

what's the set specfically?

[sterile elk]

Bulk up / bitter blade / ssneak / poltergheist

You can play covert cloak on it to win against garga w/out idef

Tera bug is nice on him too

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/b5ef079d30d51f0b

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd spoke]

no 4 evs on deoxys 😔

[gray crane]

bro

[sacred oriole]

https://pokepast.es/56231e2f54e952a2

Rate this before I make a fool of myself on ladder

[sacred oriole]

@dusk pasture @tame sandal @sleek merlin

[tame sandal]

skibidi skibidi hawk tuah hawk

[sacred oriole]

:(

[tame sandal]

pecha should have speed investment

[sleek merlin]

Non-Nasty Plot e force is strange imo

[tame sandal]

i run 20spe

[sleek merlin]

can you even beat goodra hisui without protean?

[sacred oriole]

what does 20 Spe hit

[tame sandal]

molt

important to pshot out first and not explode to wball

[sacred oriole]

240 Atk Deoxys-Speed Superpower over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Goodra-Hisui: 346-410 (95 - 112.6%) -- 83.2% chance to 2HKO

with even a tiny bit of chip, yes

[sleek merlin]

Otherwise there arent any issues, Nasty plot is just an option

[sacred oriole]

I have a SpD Mana, can't I just hard that?

[tame sandal]

if you really want to

its not like pecha needs another 5 defense points

[sacred oriole]

every defense point matters against Hearthflame

that bastard

[tame sandal]

how much is specs ghold sball into mana

[sacred oriole]

+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Pecharunt in Harsh Sunshine on a critical hit: 325-384 (85.5 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[tame sandal]

if its 0 youre fine

you get 6-0ed by bramble though

[sacred oriole]

252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Manaphy: 128-152 (31.6 - 37.6%) -- 89.7% chance to 3HKO

[tame sandal]

not modest but close enough

team is fine then if you load into gholdzama its not gonna be fun

would advise you to play aggressively with the team

[sleek merlin]

I personally run a tiny bit of speed on my pecha's, outspeeding opposing pecha and vary rarely immunity defensive ghold is nice but that is more of me thing

[sacred oriole]

I will consider Plot on Deo, just want to try full mixed first

cause I am bad at predicting when it's safe to Plot

[gray crane]

genuine question are you old?

[sacred oriole]

31

Dunno what you call old

[gray crane]

makes sense

the smogdad and senior staff give me mixed signals

😭

also OM goon....

[sleek merlin]

@sacred oriole is young compared to me (33)

[gray crane]

by two years ;-;

[mint crypt]

I'll rate in a bit if neon doesn't get to it, little frazzled

[gray crane]

👍

[timid meadow]

are we seriously running psy surge in 2026

[sacred oriole]

I’ve been trying hadron and libero

And now wanted to try big expanding force

[gray crane]

;-;

@orchid grove if you're not busy can you help with that ;-;

[livid flame]

https://pokepast.es/e842bed54fa5adc4

[umbral lava]

Hey @livid flame, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9championsou. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[sonic comet]

https://pokepast.es/a0a22b88290a4364

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mint crypt]

opposing gholdengo has a field day, Ival lati have very overlapping coverage probably drop one for smthn like crawdaunt/weavile/kgb, cornerpon should be grav apple or power whip, you won't get what you want out of hleech most of the time. I like custap dbond ghold here to take down a special wall/revenger as it punches easier holes for your other special attacker

corv also goobs a little so daunt can help

[gray crane]

to be fair I did already thought of craw as replacment for val, although idk how to feel about the ghold set

[mint crypt]

couple of small things, I'd probably make kgb defiant and either lum or protective pads so you punish defog more effectively, air balloon gambit is ok but with both lando and balloon pech you'd probably get more effective use out of one of the above.

[sonic comet]

supreme overlord less bullet punch kinda weak tho

[mint crypt]

it kills everything you want it to at +2 usually

• without it you kinda lose to lando

and if it's not killing then you're clicking sucker

[rare hare]

Heat?
https://pokepast.es/4907a0612fb0c8bc

[umbral lava]

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[livid flame]

walled by fluffy pech

[meager drum]

https://pokepast.es/f875203f2f029a3c

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[meager drum]

i feel like this needs some fine tuning

im good at webs building but not THAT good

[timid meadow]

Set should be this for smeagle

• Sticky Web
• Rapid Spin
• Imprison
• Stealth Rock / Burning Bulwark

[tame sandal]

mana should be booster speed tail glow, the extra power isnt particular amazing and booster speed lets it clean through teams much better

moon does not fit on webs, if you want a dark id say lead hamurott for a double lead team would be better but otherwise i guess you can fit gambit. absolutely not moon though

lando is alright, i wouldn't use it though, i think there's better flyers you can use (np torn t mainly). would drop uturn bc its not helpful and run like smack down or gravity or taunt

zama should be sor

ghold is alright, i think psyshock > bolt here

booster spe manaphy is 80% of the reason why youd run webs

its impossible to revenge kill, very easy to set up with given the opportunity, and punishes reactive plays that HO teams can easily force

would like a moth here ideally its downright oppressive on webs and basically checks if they have a scarf moon or gambit

if not sflo then hadron works

both are interchangeable but i prefer sflo for fire blast nukes

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/a349b157f033317a

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mint crypt]

why are we dice rock blast but otherwise looks pretty ok

your ability to check zama can be a little sketch cause once it gets a bulk up or two you aren't breaking sub

[gray crane]

won't corv cripple with beak blast nonetheless?

also thundy SHOULD be able to do something

[untold hornet]

https://pokepast.es/b07a452d93ad42dd idk zarude looks cool

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @shrewd spoke, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd spoke]

this doenst even improof the pdon 😭😭

[untold hornet]

oh 😭we ignore glacial lance

i will find new move for pdon

[shrewd spoke]

this also gets 1000-0d by moldy pdon

[untold hornet]

😭 can this flipping pdon be less annoying pls

prolly go for water arc>electric?

[shrewd spoke]

tbh i think balance is kinda restricting to build rn because of fuckass moldy pdon forcing a loser ashield fc on every team

or ashield levitate

[untold hornet]

i can afford shield on zarude

[shrewd spoke]

idk i think if ur gonna go that far might as well use something like levitate/earth eater etern

who has slightly more defensive uses than just checking pdon

and punishes imposter harder

[untold hornet]

o

that souds fun aswell

why earth eater tho

isnt levi like far better

[shrewd spoke]

edge case vs tspike

it comes up sometimes but yea generally u run levitate

[untold hornet]

ic

thx unc

[oak topaz]

But you have always been a offense merchant

[shrewd spoke]

i wasnt always an offense merchant

i can still build balance yknow

[untold hornet]

https://pokepast.es/09ec3a4b67e6fb89
https://pokepast.es/53801aee68796105

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @shrewd spoke, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[untold hornet]

uh second one is i dont like ho oh

i felt like its not doing much

and first team's m venu is holy fold to bouncers

i like the pdon set tho

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/cdd5991423382e52

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd spoke]

ill get to this in roughly 12 hours if no one has gotten to it in that timeframe

[mint crypt]

Will get to this in a few hours if jolteon can’t, driving

[shrewd spoke]

1st team groudon is unimproofed and team doesnt rly have a way of luring any groudon checks

also sap and sd should be mutually exclusive methinks

2nd team desperately needs th arc check

[untold hornet]

do i go like water ceus>ghost ceus then

also how do u lure in ground on checks

[shrewd spoke]

u can run sap and its improofed

[shrewd spoke]

have a way to like. force them to switch in and get chipped down or something

rn ur solution is just hope they dont have another switch in to zama

and zama/pdon checks are mostly seperate

[untold hornet]

maybe switch out zama for smth else?

[untold hornet]

also this means water arc improof right

or what arc check

[shrewd spoke]

that also

[untold hornet]

[shrewd spoke]

need both

[untold hornet]

i am losing so many brain cells

[shrewd spoke]

th arc is so bullshit the moment u forget it exists it just comes from the shadows and 6-0s everything 😔

[untold hornet]

prankster topsy

what if i go topsy turvy on flutter

watch them be bounce then

[shrewd spoke]

topsy on flutter + another ability is prob fine

[untold hornet]

topsy+guard?

[rare hare]

https://pokepast.es/91fe7d8e2d74c1ab
hope perrserker OHKOs everything (it tends to)

[umbral lava]

Hey @rare hare, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9pokebilitiesaaa. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[mint crypt]

dumped on by latios, cornerpon is also mildly sketch. I'd make skarm a corv so you have outs for tios, and pex 252spa 252hp +spdef, and flip/scald/malignant/mortal.

otherwise looks decent, tias could prob be a bulky ghold to spinblock better and take advantage of you spreading status/hazards

but I think it works rn

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/1bb587c33ab42ce3 correct me if I posted this already

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek merlin]

Looks fine from my perspective, though be careful about stuff like thundurus with focus blast as it can blow past most of the team with the right coverage.

I am out of practice with STAB though so best get another POV.

[gray crane]

if I'm not wrong doesn't it always run it stabs and grassknot?

[sleek merlin]

focus blast or grass knot, same thing, both can break past your team

think about running

rock slide over rapid spin on excadrill

you already have defog + mortal spin, coverage to hit stuff like zapdos, avoid beak blast, etc...

is valuable

[gray crane]

actually tbf it should've been rock slide 😭

when teambuilding I added it when I only had at as removal

[orchid grove]

Your team is slow as balls with no way to immediately force out Grounds. Defensive SD Lando, and SD Glisc eat you alive.

Excadrill is not reliable speed control, you need something that's still consistently fast without needing Sand up.

Moreover I have no idea what Hydrapple is doing here. You already cover basically everything a defensive variant here already would through the team's other slots.

[mint crypt]

corv and skarm sit on the team

[orchid grove]

Yeah, that's the trend I'm noticing in general. I really don't think Excadrill is the play here with nothing to actually support it as a cleaner.
This team does give a lot of ins to something like Thundurus with the kind of mons the teams pivots force in, so I think dropping either Hyd, or Drill for a variant of it is good.

[gray crane]

tbf wanted another electric resist since most of my defensive core folds to electric

[orchid grove]

The only Elec off the top of my head that you'd really be worried about are Hands, or Thundy-I, but Hydrapple isn't beating either of those anyway.

[gray crane]

is something like latios good for that spot?

[mint crypt]

thundy-I my goat

[orchid grove]

Give me juuuuust a second.

https://pokepast.es/438a8686ea9bf23a

How are we feeling about this?

Let me know what you're curious about first, and I can start from there.

[gray crane]

bro what are we cooking

half of the team being weak to fairy feels a bit iffy

[orchid grove]

There's two Fairies that are even relevant in the whole tier, and both of them are dealt with by Pex. Sylveon is dix right now.

If you want more insurance, you can slot Bullet Punch onto Gambit. You don't necessarily need Sucker Punch with ScarfRai to revenge most, if not all Ghosts, and Psychics.

[gray crane]

can I go protect instead of shore up on glis? also would probably need sucker for sweeping

[mint crypt]

why prot when you can heal 75%

[orchid grove]

Was just going to say. Protect is almost strictly a downgrade on Gliscor in this tier.

Also, your whole offensive Core is filled with potential cleaners, you're not exactly facing a shortage on potential to sweep.

[mint crypt]

I realise I missed that on the glisc you posted in the last rmt mb

[gray crane]

scout and guarantee poison heal in some situations

[orchid grove]

You heal 87% for clicking Shore Up once with Sand up.

That's more scouting than you'll ever need.

[gray crane]

just a safe button for random knock off

[orchid grove]

Then you just

don't let Gliscor get Knocked. It's not a difficult task, especially with a slow pivot like Pex.

[gray crane]

on the first turns

[orchid grove]

Even then, you are guaranteed Gliscor won't immediately become deadweight in the case they do somehow get Knocked thanks to Shore Up.

With Shore Up, it's "Well that sucks, but I can still do my thing, at least. I can always come in on a predicted Pex Mortal Spin later or something."

With Protect, it's "I have been reduced to glorified death fodder within a single turn."

[gray crane]

wait actually the first one is clever, pex is everywhere

[gray crane]

also what's use of bolt strike on thund? does it something specfic?

[gray crane]

another is pex being the only hazard control good enough?

[sleek merlin]

depends on the team, mortal spin is highly abusable tho

also they have defog on gliscor

which solves hazard control

[gray crane]

pretty sure it was beak blast in that spot 😭

[slate hedge]

any advice on my teams?
https://pokepast.es/34da4730c15a87bd
recently started playing this tier as practice for a private tourney so ill be honest i dont really have much of an idea of what the general meta for this tier is
i have a couple more teams but i feel like these two perform the best when i tested them
(nvm i forgot i can only ask for 1 to be rated oops)

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pliant coral]

First off, I would highly recommend swapping Ho-Oh and Clefable as Clef appreciates the Defense way more than the Speed.

Secondly, Avalugg is terrible even with a donated stat and reliable recovery just due to how slow it is with an awful defensive typing. I would recommend Tusk or Ting-Lu depending on if you want reliable hazard clearance or reliable hazard setting.

Third, Cinderace + Ho-Oh feels a tad redundant in terms of what they hit, so I would much rather see you go for something that complements Ho-Oh like Wogerpon or Hisuian Samurott in the Attack slot as the former provides a Water check pre-Tera and is just generally good while Hamurott gives Spikes + priority

And last but not least, HP Landorus-T is solid but AV is not the best item for it imo. I'd highly recommend a more defensive pivot approach with like Rocky Helmet or Lefties as Landorus-T can wear things down and forms a really good pivot core with Pecharunt and the rest of the team

However, another suggestion could be to move Pecharunt to HP (since you are using a more defensive set on it) and throwing like Helectrode in SpA as a fast special attacker which the team would appreciate wholeheartedly, but that is probably more of a preference thing than anything

[slate hedge]

thanks! appreciate the feedback, ill use these ideas and see if the team performs better

[slate hedge]

right, if i were to do this, should i move some/all the def EVs to spdef? my team feels abit specially weak rn, or will tusk/ting lu be able to alleviate that issue?

[pliant coral]

Ho-Oh is the best God to give SpD so theoretically Tusk/Ting would be your special wall

You could even mess around with a RestTalk Ting-Lu to just not worry about being worn down but you'll have to fit your hazards elsewhere if you do

And sadly Ho-Oh kinda wants entry hazard removal should it lose its Boots

But it is definitely worth some testing

[slate hedge]

i see, ill try testing with ting lu first then and move to tusk if i find hazards are a problem

[pliant coral]

Sounds good. If you ever need a test game feel free to ask in OM room too (the ladder is usually quite dead) and if I am online I am happy to throw a few games your way 🙂

[slate hedge]

alright!

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/8887c31da23cc866

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mint crypt]

normpon misses a bunch of 2hko's with diamond storm it kinda needs, and gets trolled by lando harder. Whole team is trolled by una clod (good set). kommo -> air balloon ghold would fix that and let you block fogs. Boots thundy also kinda eh cause like yeah ur taking rocks but it's a HO. Sitrus is my fave cause it lets you 1v1 stuff you shouldn't otherwise. Volc should be Modest. I'm a lefties zama believer b/c you just 1v1 birds if you get a bulk up or two off safely, which is often with screens. Pads is prob fine tho ngl but if you feel like zama isn't doing much in-game try lefties.

[gray crane]

can I got lo on thundy?

also why volc should be modest?

[mint crypt]

no

[mint crypt]

oh it should also be bug buzz over fiery

b/c otherwise ttar kinda goobs you

[mint crypt]

timid doesn't hit any speed tiers at +1 iirc

[gray crane]

doesn't fiery give more breaking?

also what should I do with oger

[mint crypt]

fiery doesn't kill stuff at +1

so you just get revenged super easily

[mint crypt]

just make it cornerpomn

actually I lied timid beats scarf lando

but again volc prob wants the damage amp, tho scarf lando is kinda a sketch mu still

[gray crane]

wait.... I thought that thing was banned 😭 it's been a long time since I played

[mint crypt]

corner is the only one free

[gray crane]

ye I did remember that

[mint crypt]

anyway sitrus thundy will help the lando mu, but that mon's a hard mu for offense anyway

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/b0a268b126c43928 so something like this?

[mint crypt]

why does grimm have attack ev's lol but yeah p good

[gray crane]

tbf I used the smogon set and tweaked it a bit, should I go full def?

[mint crypt]

ye

how would you feel bout dropping grimm for alotails

or do you want the prank screens

[gray crane]

honestly wanna stick with the prank screen since alotails can be a bit of a taunt victim and the horrendeus defensive typing is EHH

[tranquil pendant]

https://pokepast.es/e7fc07aa5752d7ba
any thoughts. my current problems rn are mamoswine and special grass

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred oriole]

who are even our special grasses rn

or do you just mean like energy ball / solar beam coverage

the easiest way to improve your mamo matchup is Intimidate Skarm instead of Fluffy

personally I am a little concerned with how slow this team is

[tranquil pendant]

yea

[sacred oriole]

nothing faster than Scream Tail / does better than tying opposing latios / moth / etc makes it really hard to get offensive guys off the field

its wall-or-die

and Swampert doesn't really wall the main special guys cause you get chunked a lot and risk grass coverage

I would look at speeding up this team

maybe a zama over scream tail. or a scarf mon over latios

[tranquil pendant]

u mean slither right. alrighty

[sacred oriole]

yes sorry

I love Tinted Slither on paper but

this is a pecha meta

[tranquil pendant]

yea. only doing it for the sillies

but its worked decently so far i guess

[sacred oriole]

if they don't load corv / skarm / pecha its actually really good

but corv and pecha are like, both top ten mons

[tranquil pendant]

yeah, and i realise that only reason the team even performs is cuz i had to make a lotta risky plays

[tranquil pendant]

any suggestions on replacements?

[sacred oriole]

Swampert is fine, as long as you have faster guys that can force out special attackers

you could consider Manaphy over it so it's less weak, and you have WBB SpD Treads to handle most electrics

but I think Pert is fine if you speed up the team a little

[tranquil pendant]

i see, thanks

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/936662b3b0ce1442 is this good?

[umbral lava]

New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @orchid grove, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mint crypt]

ftrick banned, ur sand mu is abysmal, drop 1 of rai or volc for thundy and ur prob fine.

[gray crane]

forget I'm in stabmons, been trying out natdex stabmons for a while so mu about ftrick

[strong blade]

is mold breaker+compound eyes+sf, loaded dice haxorus with iron tail, scaleshot, eq a decent mon

im running webs too so

tera steel for flutter so

[cunning cairn]

rates threads are not the place to ask

[gray crane]

https://pokepast.es/bff61ec84ca88a7e does this suck?