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hasty dune
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Should I opt for lead Samurott then? Or should I remove it.

spiral fable
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remove it

ionic lotus
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If you're going for sub dd, I'd take 52 evs out of atk and put them in HP to get 404 hp

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Makes subs unbreakable from blissey seismic toss

spiral fable
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not that relevant of a calc ngl since blissey never wants to 1v1 kyurem anyways

hasty dune
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Alright are there any set changes I should make to any of the members?

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Or would they be fine the way they are

spiral fable
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ok

hasty dune
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Ogerpon is working as a pivot rn, but should I opt for swords dance instead?

spiral fable
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drop gking drop hamurott

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not the biggest fan of ogerpon but wtv we can make it work

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make it sd, slot on atales, slot on iron moth with sub

hasty dune
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Okay here's the updated team

spiral fable
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look good, not the biggest fan of wellspring or ghold but both are fine

ionic lotus
hasty dune
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Is tera blast fine on Moth?

spiral fable
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yes

hasty dune
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I personally feel like TB is too situational

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Alrighty then

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Probably just have to get used to using it more

spiral fable
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i mean if you dont like it you can easily pick like dgleam or psyshic etc

hasty dune
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yeah

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I think it's better to get used to tera blast because I'll probably need to use it eventually

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Thanks for the help! I appreciate it!

spiral fable
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np

edgy obsidian
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https://pokepast.es/9e5014cf7085ffc3
I've been away from competitive for a while, not sure how the meta's developed. Is this team any good? I lack hazard removal, which sucks a lot. I wanna keep Kyurem + Roaring Moon if possible, but if not, it's fine

ionic lotus
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Honestly, Ghold may be the one out IMO since you're really hazard stacking or going for webs

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You only have rocks, which is quite little to justify ghold blocking for

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I'd put lead treads with booster

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Also, I'd switch out Opergon for Gambit for a endgame sweeper

tender pecan
ionic lotus
tender pecan
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Ye probably

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Alternatively you can swap both ghold and glisc out

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Lead treads with like

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Cinderace

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Maybe

ionic lotus
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That works well

umbral adder
edgy obsidian
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I'll try it out

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Thanks btw :)

edgy obsidian
umbral adder
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just somethin i cooked up, considering fairy on kyu perhaps but other than that thats it

lost sandal
bitter quail
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pliant raptor
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and i hate playing it

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feel like rillaboom just isnt the play

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but thats me

pliant raptor
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lowkey dont even bother

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this some hot ass

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idk what i was cooking

quaint swan
lost sandal
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spiral fable
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Besides that, ddance Pult is ass and vest Primarina doesn’t fit on hyper offense, drop both for kingambit and another sweeper, I would recommend either Dnite or Roaring Moon

pliant raptor
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https://pokepast.es/9b4c1b82304d70ae
Wishfish>AV?
Weavile swap?
Hatterene set is OK?
Dnite could go (to a ghost type to keep hazards up?) but I use him for Espeed revenge kill/DD sweep

plush wolf
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Mono electric

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The kind of team to get sweeped by a quagsire blobguns blobguns blobguns

lost sandal
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also this team is unviable

plush wolf
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I don't wanna use legendary

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it's that simple blobguns blobguns blobguns

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oh and I changed stomping tantrum with seed bomb for morpeko

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just to deal with quagsire...

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🗿

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oh damn

dull plume
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This is OU rates, raters also don’t rate teams with arbitrary restrictions

spiral fable
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plush wolf
nocturne dagger
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nocturne dagger
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attempt at a lokix balance, i couldn't figure out how to fit rocks and feel weak to kyurem

hoary trench
dusky kindle
nocturne dagger
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i wanted a woger switch in and i thought grassy would help kix and crown against hazards

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also i thought double priority could be cool

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what should i switch it with

dusky kindle
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Well you do already have spin for hazards

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If you want more priority the best ones are of course kingambit and dragonite

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Dragonite is a bad kyurem switch in but could revenge with espeed

nocturne dagger
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oh also helps with woger yeah

dusky kindle
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Kingambit is slightly better on kyurem but not great against ogerpon

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You could also consider tinkaton for kyruem check + rocks but then you are pretty ground weak

nocturne dagger
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i could make crown av?

dusky kindle
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Could yeah

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Future sight would be good with lokix

nocturne dagger
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should i replace gking then cuz they’re kinda redundant

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and i don’t have a darkrai switch in

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at all

dusky kindle
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Not necessarily it's good to have very sturdy special defense

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You can try to pressure darkrai with lokix

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Throw focus blast on crown

nocturne dagger
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it already has it

bitter quail
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Hey hey, what do we think of this team? Can I climb ladder or should I change something fruther. Thanks to everyone who got me this far lol

dense gull
ionic lotus
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Divine creater forgive me, I'm branching out to building a stall team. Can't seem to figure out what is missing, as it feels clunky to me. Any advice is appreciated https://pokepast.es/b110d3b2966b9942

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ionic lotus
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Also you lack speed control

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Well other than pult

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3 attack moves on corv is odd. I'd take our Brave Bird for Iron Defense

spiral fable
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A: unfortunately clod isn't as good as it ocne was, and spdef pex is better + you need a regen mon + better mu into sub and kyurem

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B: sticky barb clef is better to absolutely shit on rmoon, especially taunt rmoon

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if you're runnign sinistcha it sohuld be the defensive set with foul play instead of calm mind

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other than that, surprisinlgy really solid stall team (maybe a different tera for gliscor), have fun terroririzing ladder

tender pecan
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Stall claims another victim/s

ionic lotus
spiral fable
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yeah

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really any defensive tera lol

ionic lotus
ionic lotus
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Are my other teras solid?

spiral fable
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shoudl be, but feel free to tweak if you find yourself struggling with certain mnus

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*mus

ionic lotus
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Now to start cooking a stall breaking team

tender pecan
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It's lowkey rewarding and fun to play if you have time

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It just turns it into one big resource management game which is cool

dapper imp
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Identify your wincons and don’t just mindlessly switch mons

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That’s how I play stal

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Stall

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When I do

lost sandal
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gliscor tera

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whats the mixed kyurem switch in btw?

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probably will have to pop tera clod i think

lost sandal
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garg as well

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ursaluna is a great breaker too, hard to fit onto normal teams tho

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heatran traps used to be insane to beat stall, but heatran doesnt have much viability in this meta

ionic lotus
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Is pecharunt a good stall breaker?

ionic lotus
ionic lotus
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Made it Max Def with foul play

ionic lotus
ionic lotus
ionic lotus
lost sandal
ionic lotus
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The wins will only make it dirtier

ionic lotus
ionic lotus
umbral herald
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ik im weak to ice so i was thinking switch iron treads tera to steel and ursalunas to ghost

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need some help incorporating hazards too

lost sandal
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in previous gens, stall was better

lost sandal
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ionic lotus
lost sandal
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ionic lotus
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fiery sapphire
lost sandal
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any reason

fiery sapphire
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Also without bolt isn't speed an issue?

lost sandal
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u have pult

fiery sapphire
lost sandal
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if u wanna go down the dual hazard path

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why not use hstack team

fiery sapphire
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That's fair, I assume I'd need a gholdengo and perhaps a better spiker than skarmory? I don't really play offense or ho mostly just BO and balance.

lost sandal
fiery sapphire
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Ah, is pult not a good one? Given it's frailty or is specs pult specifically not a good spin blocker.

ionic lotus
ionic lotus
ionic lotus
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Speed control is control your opponents fast mons with your own

lost sandal
ionic lotus
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And being able to threaten them back @bitter quail

ionic lotus
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Get yourself a hazard remover

lost sandal
fiery sapphire
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Hmmm i feel a ground immunity may be required

ionic lotus
fiery sapphire
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And ice types will probably be a problem

ionic lotus
fiery sapphire
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Anything on ice types or is the team fine?

lost sandal
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thoughts?

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still slightly lose to moth

ionic lotus
ionic lotus
fiery sapphire
ionic lotus
lost sandal
weak vortex
# pliant raptor https://pokepast.es/9b4c1b82304d70ae Wishfish>AV? Weavile swap? Hatterene set i...

I would make ting Lu great tusk. This allows you to keep rocks and spikes off for av alo to do its job more effectively.

  1. I would personally drop Weavile for balloon or glasses gambit. Same idea but a bit more consistent than weave imo.

  2. Slowking galarian > hat gives you more insurance vs fairies which you got owned by at first. Additionally it’s extra insurance vs stuff like raging bolt.

  3. I think zama can be all out attacking here gives you a way to pressure defensive teams along with future sight.

Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Jolly Nature

  • Close Combat
  • Heavy Slam
  • Crunch
  • Stone Edge

You can run ice fang > stoned edge for gliscor (if you choose to do so)

  1. I feel dragonite could run roost here.

I think those are the changes I’d suggest.

weak vortex
# lost sandal https://pokepast.es/f33564f658235958

Not bad but I think you should drop sinis for a ground type probably something like lando cause you currently do not have one. (No hazards either)

Additionally I would put balloon on gambit instead.

Thirdly, ace > moltres so you have some way to deter opposing hazards.

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

  • Pyro Ball
  • U-turn
  • Sucker punch
  • Court Change
lost sandal
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whats crazy is

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these are the exact changes i made

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in the team i sent after this

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LOL

weak vortex
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lol

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Well gl fam

lost sandal
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ty

lost sandal
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im running tera fire id zam with stone edge for the birds

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that ok?

weak vortex
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You could just go all out attacking

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Instead of id

lost sandal
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i dont like it much

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zam feels too weak

weak vortex
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Some been running ice fang for gliscor

pliant raptor
# weak vortex I would make ting Lu great tusk. This allows you to keep rocks and spikes off fo...

so i swapped weavile for specs iron crown, which allows me to outspeed all suicide leads except for deoxys S and 2hko garg/gliscor and break alot of SPD walls. which in turn means im not getting slammed by faires (that was happening)

I dont know if I wanna swap out Hat since its my only REAL fariry type and since Kyurem is so prevalent in meta and im not running like specs dnite i need some way to pressure it

I am open to trying the zama set tho

weak vortex
lost sandal
weak vortex
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Also

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Make ace offensive

lost sandal
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hmmmm

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ok

weak vortex
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Bulky is serviceable but I don’t like it much personally these days

weak vortex
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Sigh

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Yeah crown sounds interesting

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Well if you ever need anymore help I’m here

pliant raptor
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ty

pliant raptor
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maybe like tidyup maushold

weak vortex
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Something a bit more consistent

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Send paste

pliant raptor
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im actually thinking weezing G

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cuz I wanna play something a little goofy

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i actually think its good into gliscor too cuz it turns off poision heal

weak vortex
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Roost dnite might be better here too

pliant raptor
weak vortex
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Yup perfect!

ruby crest
weak vortex
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Lowkey I was thinking that but wasn’t sure lmfao

ruby crest
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Could honestly drop heavy slam since all the stuff it hits are covered by iron crow / ace

weak vortex
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So cc edge fang roar?

pliant raptor
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Or any sub/protext stall

ruby crest
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What’s the updated team rn

junior harness
ruby crest
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Yeah drop heavy slam

pliant raptor
spiral fable
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not really sure what talonflame does here since you're stacking boots anyways but its the thought that counts ig

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besides that, i would run pex over clod for better mus into wake + another regen mon, drop sludge bomb on amonguss for clear smog (maybe toxic for giga drain), eq over poison jab on lgiscor for the heatran mu, and maybey avalanche on dozo instead of waterfall for the tuant rmoon mu

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still dont really know why talonflame but ig you dont have to run another knock absorber now

bitter quail
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ok took in teh notes; now wondering if Iron Crown would be better for this team in GKings place?

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pliant raptor
bitter quail
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prob AV w volt switch in there

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and tachydon or w.e they are called the double hit move lol

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future sight in there

pliant raptor
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why dont u like Glowking

bitter quail
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I am not sure, I feel like he doesnt really add much or hit really hard

pliant raptor
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its a defenisve pivot

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its not supposed to hit hard

bitter quail
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hmm

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How does GKing look then

pliant raptor
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im a big fan of Alomomola

bitter quail
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for special D?

pliant raptor
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however

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ye

bitter quail
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listening...however what lol

pliant raptor
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let me do a calc

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RQ

bitter quail
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ok

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alo w toxic,scald,flip turn, and wish i assume?

pliant raptor
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I use AV

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Alomomola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 20 HP / 236 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Fairy
Sassy Nature

  • Flip Turn
  • Scald
  • Play Rough
  • Mirror Coat
bitter quail
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ohh

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what is mirror coat again?

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Like I know it reflects damage but how does it work exactly

pliant raptor
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so if u get hit by a special

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it returns the damage double

bitter quail
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oh so I would jsut need to take a special hit

pliant raptor
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yes

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and with AV

bitter quail
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and will totally sponge more than GKing

pliant raptor
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you can tank a thunderbolt/clap from raging bolt

bitter quail
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ohh

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then mirror coat it back?=

pliant raptor
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yes

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and its OHKO

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can also tera fairy play rough

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if they have like roaring moon

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i play it like its wish fish

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i dont show anything other than flip turn until i get a matchup I like

bitter quail
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wish and flip turn and attack and switch?

pliant raptor
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then i mirror coat and hope for the best

bitter quail
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hmm interesting

pliant raptor
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252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 812-956 (152 - 179%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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vs

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252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 20 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Alomomola: 332-392 (69.7 - 82.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

bitter quail
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oh

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Ill tyr that and report back !

pliant raptor
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and rocky helmet corviknight

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but thats me

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thats your prefrence

bitter quail
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Ill add them why not

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lol

pliant raptor
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you are running hazard/terrain removal on tusk

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just makes more sense to be able to swtich and not take damage to clear hazards

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corviknight is kinda just a preference thing

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to me ur not running brave bird so u dont need leftovers

bitter quail
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true

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Ill go with ur choices

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they def make sense

spiral fable
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Just a reminder to please not give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier

bitter quail
spiral fable
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I will warn that AV mola opens you up to a lot of bad mus to the likes of Kyurem and Bolt

pliant raptor
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dont report me 2 days later tho if I hurt ur feels ok!

spiral fable
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???

spiral fable
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Anyways Serg I wouldn’t run Mola

bitter quail
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Ohh

spiral fable
bitter quail
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I had Gking in there before

spiral fable
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And then it’s just kinda useless

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I would run Gking, with maybe toxic over twave

pliant raptor
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his issue is he doesnt like how gking feels

spiral fable
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Ok well you kinda have to deal with it

pliant raptor
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i know that mola gets shit on by kyu

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and bolt

bitter quail
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lol

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Gking is just best in slot

spiral fable
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Gking just has the most versatility for this team

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Crown is workable but I wouldn’t recommend it

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Mola is ass for this team

bitter quail
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How would u play Gking?

spiral fable
bitter quail
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FS,S bomb, chilly, toxic

spiral fable
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Switch in, either toxic or chilly out

bitter quail
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switch in wot

spiral fable
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Future sight if you can though I would t go for it often

spiral fable
pliant raptor
bitter quail
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So what are the four moves my nad

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my bad*

spiral fable
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No idea what you’re talking about but aight

bitter quail
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oh nvm

spiral fable
bitter quail
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I got you

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Thank you!

spiral fable
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Twave is an option but I think toxic is better for bolt and kyurem

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Np

pliant raptor
bitter quail
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leftoers is best option?

spiral fable
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Yes lefties is best

bitter quail
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ok

spiral fable
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If you broke the server rules that’s on you

bitter quail
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lol

spiral fable
pliant raptor
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unlucky coincidence then and you totally didnt tell anyone

spiral fable
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Don’t run lefties oops

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Run boots

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You can experiment with it later since you do have double removal

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But for now I would stick with boots to be safe

spiral fable
spiral fable
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Just for that nice mixed coverage

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  • it does the same task of slamming spdef walls
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Maybe run knock off over destiny bond but dbond cheese can work sometimes

raw nimbus
spiral fable
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why mirror coat?

spiral fable
raw nimbus
spiral fable
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doesnt psycho boost do the same anyways?

raw nimbus
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No

raw nimbus
spiral fable
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i wouldnt run dark glasses then

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run like air balloon

raw nimbus
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errant sapphire
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5 boots is wild

spiral fable
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Yeah that’s kinda how it is in sv ou

spiral fable
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No point in having hazards if your opponents can just run boots for free, while suffering from your own boots being knocked with no way to deal with it

hazy nova
spiral fable
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Probably? The lack of breaker sucks tho

errant sapphire
spiral fable
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This is hstack

errant sapphire
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fair

spiral fable
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The whole point is stacking boots

hazy nova
spiral fable
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Not really a breaker, but it can work ig

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You’ll struggle into fatter teams tho

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tender pecan
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if ur gonna run polteageist just commit to the do or die sweep

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like I prefer stored power on that set over strength sap

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while yeah sap gives you more longevity stored power is just very strong

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also enables you to beat unaware mons

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otherwise ig a couple things

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why is alo ninetales snowscape

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just run blizzard

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and otherwise idrt primarina or treads are doing much for you here

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I'd say run kyurem to exploit snow and then something in the last slot to not get bodied by fairies

bitter trout
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someone send me a balance team to rate

spiral fable
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please don't rate if you aren't experienced in the tier

ionic lotus
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lost sandal
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why go offensive heatran and use spdef set

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also tran isnt very good

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pretty decent breaking prowess

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lokix cleans, hoopa breaks

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lokix is good into HO too, which hoopa... not so much

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pult is decent at breaking ig? it has coverage and we have fsight support

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Hoopa-Unbound @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 40 Def / 20 SpA / 156 Spe
Lonely Nature

  • Knock Off
  • Psychic Noise
  • Drain Punch
  • Thunderbolt
    this hoopa set might be worth a mention
dapper imp
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its crazy that lokix has the same viability as heatran now

lost sandal
ionic lotus
ionic lotus
lost sandal
tender pecan
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heatran sucks so much dooky its sad

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split quest
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used to run meowscarada instead of weavile

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and I also I'm not sure what to do with the 6th slot

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rn I've got kyurem but i feel like I'm lacking offense

lost sandal
split quest
weary crypt
tender pecan
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Yeah lol

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Quad resists both it's stabs

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Tinted lens isn't saving you

ionic lotus
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junior harness
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I wanna make this team around it

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Maybe rilla is good here for even more recovery??

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Also I am using this for a tour outside of smogon

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But the format is just regular SV OU

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No abitrary restrictions

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junior harness
lost sandal
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any glaring weakness

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resto chesto is funi lol

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made it boots sam

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split quest
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tried making another hazard stack team

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this one feels better than the one I posted yesterday

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but i feel like i struggle a lot against set up

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and I'm not sure what to change

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before i had whirlwind on skarm

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but then kingambit can fuck over

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and hatterene still fucks me up

ashen dove
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Why not turn off your brain and rid yourself of all this thinking and just play Hyper Offence?
I plateau'd at 1300s, then i picked up HO, I'm 1500s now and only going up, and I don't feel like I've learned anything new.

split quest
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with HO, stall and reg bulky balance

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i reached 1700 using sample teams of all 3

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now I wanna make my own team

split quest
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and glowking for alomomola

ashen dove
orchid nacelle
ashen dove
orchid nacelle
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I have to push to 1500 from start to prove someone that hyper offense is Brainrot

ashen dove
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Technically not HO, but i treat it like one, and it works still

orchid nacelle
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Why the hell is great tusk running roar

ashen dove
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I've roar'd Zama trying to idef, dozo trying to curse, gambit trying to sucker(tusk was low on health)

orchid nacelle
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Isn't rapid spin better for tusk?

ashen dove
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And tusk has booster for speed

orchid nacelle
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Yea but there's situations where I might give opps the veil up

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Maybe I'm just dunb

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Thanks for the team

ashen dove
ashen dove
clear sentinel
mossy hedge
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Is this like doubles?

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cuz i need someone to rate my team

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nvm

dull plume
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This is singles

clear sentinel
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How do i deal with that

outer raven
viral sableBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @ruby crest, @green citrus, @dusky kindle, @weak vortex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

spiral fable
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zapdos just doesn't have the power nor speed to keep up as an offensive threat, especally on rain when you have the much much better option in raging bolt

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drednaw is just ass in ou

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skewda is great but you really dont want to run life orb since you want to avoid as much chip as possible + banded is better anywyas since banded liquidation 2hkos most non-phys def resists anyways, though if you want to run versatility you can do mystical water instead (though i don't recommend it)

outer raven
spiral fable
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unfortunately, no

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mostly because bolt is literlaly better zapdos

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sure you dont have the longevity but you have way stronger offensive potential + better options to deal with threats that outspeed you

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as for your last mon, i would recommend something that checks waterpon like mixed dnite with hurricane or overqwil, though if you're confident in your ability to handle waterpon you can throw on another sweeper like greninja or even thundurus

outer raven
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thank you very much

surreal rose
brisk cedar
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last?

surreal rose
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