avatar-dynamics

[halcyon vault]

I imagine toggling receivers doesn't break anything

[indigo ridge]

I have to go to bed for work tomorrow but I think I see what ur saying. I'll have to try that afterwork thank u!

[mellow hawk]

Here is a visual example.
what im doing in this example is adding a 2nt condition in the menu called enabled. I have it in the parameters and in the menu objects to toggle it in-game.
Unity will require all conditions to be what they are set to before it will transition to the next clip.

[thick plaza]

hi, how can I fix it? I added collider at leg but still clipping through

[mellow hawk]

Set the limit type to hinge, so that the phys bones cant deflect off the leg.

also, I see you're not on the right version of unity. You won't be able to upload on that one.

[thick plaza]

thanks for the answer, but I plan to export in vrm type 😅

[mellow hawk]

Fair enough. See a lot of people wondering why it won't upload and just look for it by default now, lol.

[zinc light]

Any reason why when I grab a bone with a _IsGrabbed parameter it doesn't toggle on the paramter in the fx?

[mellow hawk]

You do have the pram name in front of the _IsGrabbed right?
Like for an example: "Ear" in the phys bone component and "Ear_IsGrabbed" in the parameters part of the animation controller.

[zinc light]

Yep, everything is named properly

it does set it to 1 in the physbone component when it's grabbed though it doesn't change in the fx

[mellow hawk]

Are you using the avatar emulator?

[zinc light]

I don't believe so?

[mellow hawk]

Interesting...

[oak wing]

Hi, I'm new to phys-bones and avatar creation in general, but I know pistons are a relatively simple thing that phys-bones should be able to do. The bottom ball-joint in the hip (the bottom phys-bone) works perfectly. They both work as poles and should rotate with each other, but the top ball-joint refuses to move with the bottom one; it looks like it's frozen in place even when the spine is tilted. It should be pointed at the bottom ball-joint. The bottom ball joint has a parent constraint to the hip, preventing the top ball-joint from pulling it from the hip and the top one has a parent constraint preventing it from being pulled from the chest. The bottom joint is a child of the top joint. This is the first time I've worked with phys-bones, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

[austere surge]

So I have this scenario where i am trying to turn off the phybones on my hair which sort of shrinks into my head via a blend shape. However when i try to disable the physbones script it kind of just stops where ever the bones last stopped moving and no matter how i animation it either it does this behavior or say if i make pull go up so it is impossible to move and i then pull it back down to turn it "off" it just stays stuck instead. I tried the method of also turn up "immobile" but that also just didnt do anything at all despite that it was animated. I have been told a way to do this is put a rotation constaint that would turn on to "rest" the potion when the phybones script is turned off but i am not sure if that is the most efficent method of doing this. Does anyone know if this is intentional or is there a different method to allow phybones movements to turn off effectively to get this effect to happen?

[brazen zodiac]

so im tryna make a grabbable sword with dynamics and it's great, until you reliase that with dynamics you don't grab the bone you grab the endpoint and the sword is more following your hand than being grabbed, and won't have the right orientation. Any way to fix that?

[thorny isle]

physbones do that, can try disabling the actual bone objects which should return the mesh to rest position

[austere surge]

ok ill give that a try when i am home. ty!

[torn tendon]

is there a heel-stepping sound system that anyone can direct me to? or how would i go about doing that?

[torn tendon]

Anybody know how I can put a watch that is synced to real-time on my charector? (Can be hologram on the arm or like a real watch)
@ me

[sacred crystal]

is there any tutorial on how to do the chip thing that was in the avatar dynamics showcase level

unsure where to start on figuring this stuff out, kinda wishing they just gave us a scene with all that stuff to take a look at, end goal is making it so i can grab a lolipop out of my mouth and make it so i can like reload a gun

not reload, like ching ching, the thing at the top you pull back then push forward on some guns

[pastel token]

I am trying to accomplish an anti-gravity field that pauses all particles mid air while in the field. The sdk wont allow me to use the particle system force field script so im trying to figure out an alternative. If anyone has an idea lmk.

[subtle kiln]

Need help simply trying to define the area in which my glasses can be grabbed off my characters face

[pale raft]

I need help with avatar dynamics contacts

[mellow hawk]

what are you trying to do with contacts?

[pale raft]

Im trying to make it where when someone presses my horn, it plays a particle effect.I tested it in unity and it worked, but in game it does nothing

[simple elk]

Dont use capsule collider and have it in fx controller it should behave

[simple elk]

capsule collider goes , uuh whats happening 🔨 🐇

(debug mode does that)

[mellow hawk]

Ah yes, that's how that should work. lol

[arctic dove]

im trying to make a chain have physbones but the bones dont move in play mode at all. theres only 11 bones

[austere surge]

ok so i tried doing this however it didnt seem to work at all...do i ahve to turn off the bones parent the script is on or the child bones? and do i need to turn them then back on for them ot be reset?

[torn tendon]

is there collision tags specifically for like the ground and/or walls? or just world colliders in general?

[onyx vapor]

You can do this with OSC (I have a python script running sending hour/minute data which I pick up as parameters on my avatar and use those to animate the time on a clock)

[austere surge]

Do Physbones just not accept transforms at all?

I have my scripts set up to "Is Animated" which i thought would allow me to do things like ears control and such but it is not doing anyhting

Is this no longer done in the FX layer anymore? I am confused

jsut the rotation some soemthing

like just having my ears flop down for example

[mellow hawk]

So are you trying to do something like this?

[austere surge]

yes

i mean really i am trying to making some tendrils rotate into a "attack" position like a scorpian and i have the animation made

but when i set up the toggles and such in either the gesture or FX layer nothing happens

[mellow hawk]

here is the fx I use for how I set up that animation.

[proud rune]

@frail turtle_resident_crow

Oop

Didn’t mean to type

I’m so sorry : (

[halcyon vault]

Won’t fix it but update the SDK

[finite roost]

Has the capsule collider been changed in the recent update?

About a week ago

And now

The capsule is infinitely tall

[halcyon vault]

gotta set the inspector to debug till the sdk is next updated

[finite roost]

thanks

[agile vale]

Is there any way to put physbones into a world?

Please ping me if anyone has an idea. I tried to make an interactable bobblehad, but the physbones appear to be bundled into the avatar sdk

[simple elk]

world sdk dont have it yet, upcomming

[agile vale]

Coolio

[worn mica]

Rotation is an issue that a lot of people are trying to solve rn. For your specific example you could use physbones to simply make the sword slide the sword in and out a sheathe (if you have one) or simply use constraints

[brazen zodiac]

If I have to I’ll use constraints yeah

Atm I’m thinking about using colliders against themselves but I’m not certain it’ll work

[worn mica]

It would probably be very janky ^^" but give it a try! If you solve the issue I'll be interested to hear how you did it

[brazen zodiac]

Mm

I need to do some playing around, and it’ll probably be performance heavy and not quest viable

[worn mica]

anything with constraints or more than 8 physbones/contatcts isn't quest compatible yeah

[carmine bear]

How does one use the is grabbed parameters

[brisk hull]

I have a problem with unity rn, the Capsule's height option for physbone Collider is not present. Can someone help?

[simple elk]

enable debug , fixed on next sdk

[arctic dove]

Will do

[grave sigil]

Does vrchat allow animating the physbones parameters? I want to make an animation like:
Idle--> Set Immobile to 0.4 ---> Animation ---> Set Immobile to 0.8 (default) ---> Idle

[sudden urchin]

Yes, but at the moment you need to disable the phys bone and then enable it again to change

[grave sigil]

So I would need:
Idle -> Physbone disable -> Parameter change -> Physbone enable -> Animation ?

[sudden urchin]

Generally yeah

[torn tendon]

There aren't any colliders interfering with the ears but they vibrate if the head is moved in any way, does anyone know what the problem could be?

[little owl]

probably just bones are way too small

small bones get affected more

[torn tendon]

the seem to be a similar size to other ear bones ive used on my stuff so idk

https://tired.catboys.host/nlbRr2Up

the scale is 1.1 though, im not sure if that would affect it?

[little owl]

how does it look ingame with the physbones debug view? It doesn't always transfer over from blender 100% because unity doesn't have any concept of bone length

[mellow hawk]

Is the phys bone component on the head game object?

[torn tendon]

no, its on the same place as the descriptor with other bones that work fine

[torn tendon]

https://tired.catboys.host/nMT8mYpG

[little owl]

yeah they're basically spheres

something is wrong there, check out how it looks in unity. Make sure that there's a child transform at the tip of the ear

[mellow hawk]

Okay, does the root bone property point to the head?

[simple elk]

not sure whats going on with your ears, you have 4 bones and 4 components?

[little owl]

You could either add an extra bone at the tip of the ear or export from blender with leaf bones/end bones enabled so that it does that automatically

[torn tendon]

it's separated into two strands, one for the outer layer and one for the fluff on the inside

[simple elk]

why 🤔 they depend on eachother, might as well parent them

[torn tendon]

thank you ill try that right away

[little owl]

also not entirely sure how your bones are set up but I suspect it's creating a "bone" at this point between these two bones, and since it's a very short distance it's causing it to be a small bone that gets affected by forces more

[torn tendon]

it looks nice honestly, and the person i'm doing this for selected these anyway

[torn tendon]

very good point i didnt realize they were single bones

[little owl]

going from blender to unity can be kinda weird and loses some information, but just remember that blender "bones" (which have a specific origin position, an endpoint, and roll) all have to get translated into unity as "transforms" (which have only a position and a rotation) but then physbones comes back into the picture and has to treat things as bones in order to know how to simulate them

[torn tendon]

yeah tysm this is definitely it, the length missing because of only one bone being present in the chain

[arctic dove]

it actually fixed it lol thanks!

[sharp hare]

Real stupid question, but does sizing up an avatar in unity do anything to the physics bones? Do they size up with the avatar?

[hexed dew]

phy-bones are just on the normal bones so they will be fine if you make the avatar smaller or bigger

[sharp hare]

okay thank you!

[thorny carbon]

Need some advise, I am currently helping someone with setting up their Physbones for their model but the preview for the spheres or capsules are not present, even if we add in a fresh new component on the bone, is there something we did wrong?

[cedar nova]

Can avatar contacts send to an animation controller that is on an object in the avatars hierarchy? (Not the place where the descriptor is)

Thinking of the potential of fully contained prefabs that can be dropped into the avatar using this if possible

[unborn relic]

i did the funny file swap for my avatar to update it for the windows version, and i fixed everything by simply removing root transforms and adding two decimal places for collider size and everything would be fine, but for the physbone collider my problem is that the height option isnt showing for the capsule shape type so im stuck with a really long collider

[brave maple]

is it possible to have dynamic bones act like a plug? like a hose that is locked on one end and temporarily locked on the other until I grab it?

[prisma grotto]

How do I install the new sdk? I was told to overwrite it and I was unsure about what that meant

[austere geode]

Drag and drop into your project's asset browser

[prisma grotto]

Do I delete the old sdk in my unity project and import the new one?

[austere geode]

Just dropping it on top should do the trick

Old things will be overwritten and new things will be added

[prisma grotto]

Okay! Thank you!

[jolly crane]

the update post covers how to do the update

overriding the existing SDK works most of the time, but a clean install is often the best way to go

[prisma grotto]

Where at

Could you shoot me a link

[jolly crane]

I'll try to find it

[prisma grotto]

Thank youuuu

[jolly crane]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/updating-the-sdk#sdk3---avatars---separate-project-process

this is the way I personally use and have never had issues with

[prisma grotto]

Thanks a lot!

[fringe iron]

any reason why one ear works and not the other? They are set up the exact same but use separate parameters and anims so nothing is pulling from the same

[rugged steeple]

I'd assume it'd only require matching tags, yis?

I was trying to figure out if I could stretch another pb with the pb object you were grabbing, but I'm getting the idea that it's a no. Pulling something via constraints do not count as "stretch", which was a bummer. Right now I'm pulling at Pull value of 0 so that it keeps the stretch value when I stop grabbing and then I just reset the script to get stretch back to 0, but I'm wondering if there's a better way.

[simple elk]

try having them on seperate objects, not the same place - think i had some oddness if they are on same and trying to use a parameter

[severe phoenix]

Is it possible to grab a phys bone so that it spins with the hand as if tied with a constraint?

[fringe iron]

I'll try that! Thank you!

[rich blaze]

So, on one of my projects the bones and colliders show up as white and green capsules, balls or planes, on the other project they do not show up at all. Im confused as to why that is, anyone know how i can turn on visualisation?

Also, yes the radius is larger then 0, so id except to see something, but not even a giant or super small thing shows up at all.

Im assuming its a setting somewhere but i can find it at all

[gentle jungle]

I'm having some trouble with a proximity contact receiver. Whenever anyone tries to interact with it all the Avatar Dynamics debug gizmos disappear and the animator parameter doesn't change. I checked the logs and there are a bunch of identical errors, it's apparently trying to call some function that doesn't exist. Here is the error message and the contact settings:

Exception  -  Error: called non-existent method System.Void VRC.Utility.PhysicsUtil::ClosestPointsBetweenLineSegments(UnityEngine.Vector3,UnityEngine.Vector3,UnityEngine.Vector3,UnityEngine.Vector3,UnityEngine.Vector3&,UnityEngine.Vector3&)
  at VRC.Utility.PhysicsUtil.ClosestPointsBetweenLineSegments (UnityEngine.Vector3 , UnityEngine.Vector3 , UnityEngine.Vector3 , UnityEngine.Vector3 , UnityEngine.Vector3& , UnityEngine.Vector3& ) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at VRC.Dynamics.ContactReceiver.CalcProximity (VRC.Dynamics.ContactBase collider) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at VRC.Dynamics.ContactReceiver.UpdateContact () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at VRC.Dynamics.ContactManager.LateUpdate () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 

[simple elk]

capsules arent reliable for contacts

had a few test with them, they just plain breaks

[gentle jungle]

Ah, arlight. Thanks!

[rugged steeple]

Interesting, I use capsules for my thumbs pretty reliably. Senders though.

[rich blaze]

Right now ive got a model, rigged up with Phys bones, which worked 5 minutes ago, i changed something inside the FX controller, and now it wont work. I changed the controller because Phys bones decided to stretch my models tail insanely long for no reason.

Does anyone know a reason for Phys bones to just suddenly all stop working? I will try any ideas you all got, cuz im completely lost.

[heavy sierra]

what do i need to add component wise to be able to interact with physbones with my foot

like, copying what a hand by default has

i tried a vrc phys bone collider attached to the foot as a capsule that its reasonable the same shape as the foot and it does nothing

shows up in game as a yellow capsule like the fingers do but i have no interaction with other blue physbone objects when turning on the debug view

[heavy sierra]

wait i just noticed the finger colliders are yellow and my feet are orange

[jolly crane]

every avatar is automatically set up with "colliders" for the fingers, hands, head, torso and feet. all of those are used to add Contact Senders to the avatar, but only the finger and palm ones are used for Physbone colliders. those ones will show up in yellow in the debug view, as those are the only ones that can be used to interact with others

custom colliders will show up as orange, and those will only interact with your own physbones (and only if you specify them)

[heavy sierra]

aww sad, so you cant set up feet to be coliders like hands?

[jolly crane]

the only way to add global feet colliders is to sacrifice one of your finger colliders and use them as feet colliders, but that is mega janky and requires setup every time you want to upload

[heavy sierra]

oof, no thanks, yeah that sounds like it would be messed up

[jolly crane]

requires using debug inspector and requires you to redo it every time

[heavy sierra]

ok thanks for the help, system limitations

i will give up on kicking friends hair

[rich blaze]

Can someone please tell whoever the fuck removed the hight setting to put it back please. The green stripe is the CAPSULE collider.

[heavy sierra]

height is still there i was just looking at it

[rich blaze]

I downloaded the newest SDK a minute ago...

Its fucked

Imma go to sleep soon, i hope they patch it tomorrow

[jolly crane]

it's fixed in the latest open beta SDK. for now, you can use the Debug inspector to see the height value

[rich blaze]

How can i access the Debug inspector?

[jolly crane]

3 little dots in the top right of the inspector window

switch it from Normal to Debug

[rich blaze]

Thankyou❤️

[fallen olive]

Any chance you can clarify how contacts can affect stretch? As far as I can tell all they can ultimately do is set parameters. Maybe a virtual 'grabbed' setting?

I've been trying to get workarounds working for a while to no avail 😅 which is why this is super delayed

Inside out colliders & constraints can't affect stretch, just momentum can't either, as far as I can tell only grabbing can affect the length of physbones but that feels off to me.

I mean I guess I could set up some scissor zig/zag thing but that's getting really hacky and wouldn't actually work for my use case

[quasi harbor]

Can someone please help me set up colliders between sets of ears on the NKD protogen? I want the top and bottom set to collide with eachother but the cylinder collider I'm using either doesn't work or when it has "Inside Bounds" set it just sucks the top part of the upper ears into it. (image attached for some partial reference to what I'm trying to set stuff on)

I currently have the collider on the lower set of ears as I'm still trying to get it figured out

[quasi harbor]

Basically I want it to where when someone pulls one set near the other instead of them going through eachother the ears push eachother out of the way

[mossy pewter]

I'm trying to use physbones to make it so my arms can be stretched by other players but I'm having trouble figuring them out. Idk what setting to change to make it so I can still move my arms instead of them just flopping around in a T-pose

oh wait I think I shoulda posted that in avatar help

[quasi harbor]

Partially figured this out. I was rooting stuff to the wrong parts of the ears.

[visual root]

anyone got good physbones forces for clothes, specifically scarfs

[torn tendon]

So, question, gravity in physbones, at what value does 9.8m/s^2 reside, lol

[winter galleon]

Can anyone help with this issue, I've tried so much and I'm so stumped on this right now. I'm trying to do a facial expression animation for when a physbone is being stretched on my model. When testing in the unity game window I can see the parameter is being updated on the physbone properly, then looking at my FX controller I put in the parameter as a float with the exact same name and the animation plays in my layer is as it should too. For some reason though the values for the parameter in my physbones aren't carrying over to the parameter I put in my FX controller. Anyone know what the issue could be? I triple checked and the parameters are named the exact same

[mellow hawk]

Are you using the av3 emulator?

[primal wigeon]

Does anyone know why the colliders I made arent actually interacting with any bones?

I havent, but they also arent colliding with other people's avatars

how do you make the white/global ones?..

oh.

the sdk is broken atm and makes my finger colliders way longer then they are meant to be. figured I'd be smart and make my own

guess that was a mistake

nah it wont let me tweak them

xP

the height only goes so low, and it still extends WAY beyond the length of my fingers

like if I set the height to 0.01 then it defaults back to 0.4 or something

yeah its a model I modified myself

the automatic setup makes the colliders look great in unity, but in game they're huge

thats as low as it will let me set the height

[still lotus]

is contact system synced with remote player? my friends constantly cant see my animations triggered by contact

[primal wigeon]

mhm

its the julia winterpaw female canine

heres how it looks in unity

and thats how it looks in game

no

does it require _end bones to know where to end lol

tbh I think its just a bug with the sdk X_X

[jolly crane]

those values are very small, which leads me to believe that your entire armature scaling is wrong

which is the case when you export without setting "Apply scalings" set to FBX All in your blender export settings

not doing so causes your scaling to be off by a factor of 100

[primal wigeon]

i'll pop blender open and check

i could've sworn i did, but i'm also bad at blender xP

i'll check, 1 sec

my friend also has the same problem with julia's cat base

[signal lava]

you may have to redo the fingers in blender

[primal wigeon]

if thats the case I'll probably just wait until there is an sdk update

[winter galleon]

i wasn't at first, i tested it ingame and it didn't work, that's when i decided to try av3 emulator to see where it went wrong and it just seemed like the parameter in the physbones wasn't putting in any values into the parameter on my fx layer

[carmine moon]

how do i set up the pysbone to have an object anothor avatar hold in there hands

[short narwhal]

that is so cool

[marble plover]

How can I get new bones (it works to quest

[mellow hawk]

Amazing

[mellow hawk]

Phys bones are in the standard sdk, to all you have to do is update it and add the physbone component to your avatar.
Do note, the quest has a hard limit, if you are over the limit they are disabled completely.

[marble plover]

Ohhh thx brooo

[cedar helm]

Physbone broke this model's hair apparently? The dynamic bones on it prior was completely fine before auto converting. What the hell do I do to fix this to not flap like it's a helicopter?

[jolly crane]

can you screenshot your physbone settings

[jolly crane]

decrease momentum and increase immobile to 0.8

[mellow hawk]

More stiffness may help?

[cedar helm]

Thank you, that actually helped. Had to also update the pull as well. I haven't tried updating stiffness but it now works with these settings:

[mellow hawk]

This may help in the future ;p

[cedar helm]

Just find it odd that the values my friend sent me has wildly different results with hair length and style being the same.

[feral tundra]

that pic should be pinned

ive had to fix 5 or 6 avatars so far and thats helped a lot

[cedar helm]

Has anyone had an issue with Physbones where one bone chain acts completely different than it's neighboring ones?

[thorny isle]

can i eat it tho

[slate flicker]

In the latest SDK version (VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.05.04.17.47_Public), on Phys Bone Collider, when Shape is set to Capsule, the Height parameter does not appear. I tried deleting the SDK and reinstalling it.

[novel quarry]

This is sooo cute I love the chao how did you do it?

[quaint jacinth]

Enable debug on your Inspector its bugged currently

[floral junco]

Quick question, do finger bones count as humanoid bones?

[thorny isle]

yeah

[floral junco]

I'm assuming this can cause people to see me moving at like, 2 fps if i set an index finger as a root bone for physbones then?

[thorny isle]

physbones are brokey on humanoid bones

[mellow hawk]

Best to put them on a new empty game object, and parent anything tho want to move to that.

[nocturne salmon]

How can I make Items that others can drag/carry around from my avatar?
Ive been using constraints for items so i can hold them. Someone showed me that I could actually grab and carry their items too- I don't know how they did it tho lmao
Is avatar dynamics? Or physbones? And if physbones: I thought physbones had a maximum stretch limit 👀
If dynamics: do they spawn some kind of constraint on the others avatars hand? What is this magic lmao

[austere hazel]

i have a quick question, looking at the simulation, it moves like i want it to, but the mesh itself barely moves if not at all, is that it needs heavier weight paint or something with physbones?

Related to physbones ^^

[mellow hawk]

Could you send a screenshot?

[austere hazel]

Well a bit difficult to show it on a screen shot in motion xD

Boobs move perfectly

But butt barely moves

And they seem to be weight painted with a similiar weight

Could it be because of the gravity?

Like it looks like it moves a lot with the bones but not with the butt itself

[gritty valley]

OH MY GOD thats perfect

[tardy perch]

Eyo question, when it comes to senders and receivers, with my new characters card selection system I'd like to basically have a menu system where a bunch of the cards I collected appear in front of me and I grab them to cast them, is that possible for one? And how hard would it be, and might there be a video or something that is similar to creating a menu like it that someone knows about? A good reference to the type of menu I'm envisioning is wizard 101 card selection but instead in 3d space

[austere hazel]

This is what i have

Its the panda base, and i do believe the recommended start settings had gravity

[lavish sail]

is there a reason why i can't modify the height of the physbone collider if i change it to a capsule

[mellow hawk]

Why am I always 3s late with the replies lol.

[lavish sail]

ok i thought i was doing something wrong thahnks

👌

[mellow hawk]

Fixed in the next sdk

[lavish sail]

ok bet

do they have a release date yet?

[mellow hawk]

It's on the beta

[lavish sail]

also are they gonna increase the amount of physbones permitted

[mellow hawk]

Nope, PC has no hard limit, just performance rank. Quest does and won't change.

[lavish sail]

ok got it

[mellow hawk]

So contact receivers more or less act like triggers, where you are in the location and it plays an animation.
So an animation you could use a parent constraints, and animate between different states. Like one in off hand, one holding the card, and one for it being on the "play field".
Can use the receiver and the built in driver GestureLeft/GestureRight. That way you can actually throw the card out.

[tardy perch]

But how do you sync stuff like that up? Cause I messed with contacts before with a basic pot lid, ie removing the lid and it being in my hand simple parent constraint two state driver and it ended up being in my hand for me but still on the pot for everyone else.

Also is it possible to randomize what cards exactly come out? Since I'd like it to be randomized for the cards I've collected, basically like a "hey the avatar was on and I spawned in 4 cards of zombie and 2 cards of healing. And then itll have say 1 zombie and 2 healing cards come up

And when I grab them theyll be the exact card as shown?

[ember trout]

Hi. Question to any who can answer: how one to one is the PhysBones converter that comes with the SDK?

[jolly crane]

the two systems have fundamental differences, it won't be exactly 1:1

you will most likely need to do manual tweaking after the conversion to achieve the exact look you want

[ember trout]

Alrighty. Any tips to help recreate the settings in PB? I'm working with a model that came with DB settings and I'm very bare-bones with DB as it is.

[jolly crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

[ember trout]

Thank you.

[lilac badger]

Quick question guys, if I added a PhysBone Collider to a Sword for example, would it collide with other people's physbones if they have colliders enabled? or would they have to do something specific or sumthin?

Oh, alright I see, got it
Well I literally wanted to know if my sword would interact with other people's colliders xD but seems like that's not really possible, it's not a problem but wasn't sure of it, thanks for clarifying!

I literally I am working on that right now xD but thanks tho!

[tidal heath]

I am trying to make a proximity based contact. it works in unity both as just an animation in a controller and in the avatar emulator, but in VRC it does not update the float according to the debug. It uses a 1D animation blend that works off the same float variable. I am so confused as it works completely in unity, but the float never updates in VRC. Anyone know what is happening?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852835746125578240/978040164804882493/proto_head_pat_test.mp4

[vestal meteor]

Hello! apologies if this may not be the correct thread but i need a little help with an avatar im trying to work with. It has a few expressions including a (shoe dangle expression) but for some reason regardless of using dynamic bones or phys bones the shoe is perpetually stuck in a dangling position so it looks like im walking around with a wet noodle for a heel lol. I have no understanding of models so if anyone has any idea what the issue could be or how to fix it that would be more than lovely, thank you! for reference ive attached a photo with this message if it helps or anything.

[gray stone]

https://i.penny.moe/4h45zkf9xt3h.png

Someone plz help explain how its capsule but not height appeared

this has happened to me and someone else now

[thorny isle]

broken in live sdk, fixed in open beta sdk

switch to debug inspector for now until patch is rolled out to live sdk

[gray stone]

How does one switch to debug inspector?

[thorny isle]

the 3 dots next to the lock button

[gray stone]

Pog

thx

[eternal mortar]

is there a way to change the length of a capsule collider?

i just want to prevent the hair physbones from phasing through the body

oh i found it
but kinda wondering if im not achieving the anti-phasing thing

[drifting quiver]

anyone have any recommendations for PB settings when it comes to objects that dangle like chains?

[vast portal]

ok i know this sounds dumb but someone told me a while back when i was trying to import a avatar that there was gonna be an alternative to dynamic bones. is the physbones in avatar dynamics essentially the replacement for that or am i getting it wrong

[drifting quiver]

@vast portal Yes, Physbones is what you're speaking of!

[vast portal]

YES ok i was worried i was gonna look like an idiot thank you

[drifting quiver]

Nooo no no you're all good!

[fair sundial]

This video has good settings for hair, chains, chest and tail somewhere in there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTnWUkswkU

4:14

[drifting quiver]

Ahhh tyty!

[fair sundial]

👍

[carmine bear]

If any of y’all know how to use the IsGrabbed parameter for holding things e.g, a weapon, please let me know how

[odd trail]

Just out of general curiosity - how do people test out avatar dynamics/physbones grazbbing in unity?
Nevermind - found out you can just click and drag things using the game view when you enter play mode xD

My new question now would be :
Does anyone know how to set something up(i.e. my hat) to let anyone else grab it and take it off of my head. 🤔

[sly terrace]

Do anyone know it it is possible to make the physbones collide with mesh? Or do I have to set up collision on all parts of the avatar?

[halcyon vault]

Phys bones need colliders to react

[torpid sphinx]

so i have a contact reciever on my avatar with collision tags Hands, so by default everyone can trigger it with their hands now right?

do i need to add something else for it to work?

[halcyon vault]

Hand is Hand L and Hand R, you don't need all 3. Either way, yes

[torpid sphinx]

is there a way to test it in Unity tho? Like trigger the animation it would play without having to get into VR

[rose lantern]

you can just put a contact sender on an empty game object with the hand tag and move it into the receiver in play mode

[torpid sphinx]

doesnt trigger anything

[rose lantern]

oh, my mistake, you might need lyuma's av3 emulator to do that

[torpid sphinx]

i have it installed

maybe im just to dumb, idk, but when i drag the sphere in playmode in the blueish sphere it doesnt do anything, just keeps playing the off animation in animator

[rose lantern]

I think its a bit difficult to test for On Enter receiver's as the sender needs to have velocity

though I can still trigger mine though albeit very briefly

[torpid sphinx]

whats the best to use then? It just plays a 2 sec animation

thought on enter would do it

[rose lantern]

on enter sets the param for a single frame if the sender enters the receiver past the specified velocity

if you want the param to change while the sender is inside, you should be using constant instead

[torpid sphinx]

still does not trigger anything

[rose lantern]

do you actually have the av3 control in the scene?

i'm not sure if you need an avatar in the scene as well

[torpid sphinx]

i have the avatar in the scene and the empty game object too

if i go into playmode with or without the emulator it doesnt play

[rose lantern]

and just to be sure, this is the latest version of the emulator that added avatar dynamics support?

[torpid sphinx]

toggles work fine but the trigger wont for me

that could be a issue

one sec

thats awkward xd

[rose lantern]

no worries, I did the same

[torpid sphinx]

i just kept moving the existing folder into new projects

[finite crystal]

Are there any easy-to-understand comprehensive guides for Physbones? All I've found so far is the official documentation and YouTube guides that don't include things like "Whatever you do, don't put physbones on the parent bones"

[lofty walrus]

Don't need av3 to test contact sender/receivers. Just make sure your FX layer is in your avatar controller press play

[mellow hawk]

I think that av3 emulator brakes contact testing in editor

[mellow hawk]

Here's three explanations, best I know of:
https://youtu.be/PTTnWUkswkU
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones

[torn tendon]

Is 3 the max radius value for Contact Receivers? It lets me input a higher value, however it doesn't change visually...

Or is it a known bug?

Also when changing the Shape Type to Capsule, Hight doesn't do anything

[worn mica]

seems like it's not even changing to a capsule

[torn tendon]

Lol, I left Unity opened for a while, and when I came back to continue my project and tried to mess with the Height value again, it went back to normal and functions just fine with those values

[solar cypress]

So i'm trying to get a sender a receiver pair to drive a blendtre and it's not working when i hit play in the unity editor, tag is set, parameter is set.

[mellow hawk]

Do you have the av3 emulator installed?

[solar cypress]

I do

[mellow hawk]

I've found that the emulator, when it's enabled, has trouble testing out contacts in the editor.

[solar cypress]

Ok. But it's not on when i hit play

So. A total removal then

[mellow hawk]

Worth probably testing if it works with a menu object first

[solar cypress]

figured it out

i was under the impression it would work out of the box, but it needs the model to have a avatar descriptor on it to function

[dire ingot]

flop So I need help- How does one make a grabbable object with phybones? I'm working on an avatar where he can grab his hat and take it off and put it back on. Is there a stream lined way I'm missing to go about this or should I go with multiple hats that get toggled on/off when entering receivers/senders?

[onyx vapor]

Add a parent constraint to the bone the hat is weighted to, add sources on the constraint to the multiple locations you want the hat to be able to move to (create them as empty game objects if there are no existing bones that are in the right position/rotation), animate changing the weight of the constraint sources to move the hat around ; triggered by the contacts

[slim olive]

what are good settings for long hats? like bedtime nap caps?

[wild pebble]

Is there a way to test grabbables without going into vrchat itself first?

[thorny isle]

you can grab physbones in game view within unity

using the cursor

[wild pebble]

Oh wow, that's grand

[kind smelt]

My physbone parameters don't seem to animate, does anyone else seem to have this issue?
I have 'Is Animated' checked, but the values in the component seem to change inconsistently/not at all.

[agile wraith]

Is there a way to move the finger colliders?

Its lets you adjust the hand position but the fingers just have size adjustments

[vast portal]

when it comes to the physbones i tried setting it to the hair for example on my avatar but when i move it the hair doesnt move. should i be doing it at the root of the hair or at every hair component

wait it may be a settings thing

or its that idk how to configure the play mode thing to see the change

[vale drift]

Whatever happened to the height setting for capsule colliders?

[feral tundra]

just hit play mode at the top, then click "scene" and click on your avatar in the scene

[vast portal]

seems like there is a box around it preventing me from moving the avatar once i am in play mode

wait nvm let me try again

ah there we go it moves

[feral tundra]

sick 👌

[vast portal]

thank you

[halcyon vault]

Lost in a bug, Set Inspector to Debug to get it back till the sdk is updated

[somber monolith]

is there a way i can grab a bone but only have it move a certain axis? like if i want it to grab a handle and have it only move along the x axis

ive looked around the limits available but only seems to handle rotations

[rugged field]

I would make a shape key of the handle moving then just have a bone for the driving of the shape key animation using its stretch value.

[jolly crane]

use bone stretching, and use a hinge rotation limit

[somber monolith]

I'll try that

but for now I just made an animation that is controlled by the stretch parameter and moved the phys bone component to an empty game object on the bone

which drives that parameter

[hardy estuary]

Is there a way to get a Vrc Receiver to change its parameter only when more than one condition is met. Right now i would like it to look if both hands are touching it but it only works for Either hands instead.

[mellow hawk]

You could have receiver points, for HandR and HandL that both control their own bool. Then have a transition in the animator with both bools required.

[hardy estuary]

yeah thats the only solution i found

[mellow hawk]

The way the dynamics are set up, it will always trigger on any flags met. Multiple triggers can help if you need more than one, but there is no logical And statement.

[hardy estuary]

ty

[wild pebble]

Anybody that could give me a crash course in how the contact systems work? I have a pair of tools and glasses I'd like to be able to 'pickup' off the body and into the hands

[obsidian quiver]

Hello hello!! I need help with some dynamic/physbones. I'm trying to help my friend upload an avatar, I made the base model and have a fully functioning avatar in VRChat, I gave her the files - FBX, textures, animations, animators, ect. But in her own Unity project, we've tried both Dynamic Bones and Physbones and neither of them work. After putting the root bone in the proper field, the white lines that indicate the presence of dynamic bones are not there, and when moving the model around in play mode the bone doesn't have any dynamics at all. I've tried looking at forums online to fix this but with little luck. Hopefully someone here has experienced this issue before and can help us figure this out. <3

[obsidian quiver]

What's more, when trying to edit the viewpoint in the VRC avatar descriptor, the gray sphere does not show up and when moving the arrows, the whole model moves.

[obsidian quiver]

And yes, all the gizmos are turned on. TwT

[upper sage]

are all the files from the sdk in the project?

and you arent sure, just reimport the package into unity and it'll give you what you don't have currently

[obsidian quiver]

Yep, we even started a new unity project and did a clean import of the VRC SDK

And she said that she had downloaded the SDK just a few days ago

[upper sage]

then i don't see how this is happening

maybe try contacting someone higher rank?

[obsidian quiver]

Any suggestions on who to contact?

[upper sage]

maybe someone who has great experience with unity and idrk anyone that does

[obsidian quiver]

Allrighty, thanks anyways TwT 🙏 💛

[upper sage]

yw ig

[mellow hawk]

Here you go: https://youtu.be/LOZu6e8ozns

May need to animate a parent constraint to move the glasses from the head to the hand.

[sleek lance]

What Unity version are they using? Have they seen if any messages appear on the console tabs? Try redownloading the SDK from the website, then make a new project with the correct Unity version and import the SDk form the website. After importing it, check the console for any red errors. If everything is fine, then import the FBX, then look for any red errors and so on. Every time sometime is imported tell them to check the console

[obsidian quiver]

Update: we got it to where we can see the dynamic bones lines, but increasing the radius doesn't show any of the spheres and in play mode the bones still have no dynamics

[obsidian quiver]

She is using the right unity version, and there are no red errors in the console. We'll try reimporting stuff ^^

[wild pebble]

A parent constraint?

[mellow hawk]

A parent constraint moves any child objects to the location of the transformation you set. Each transform has a float to control the strength of how much it's attracted to that transform. So you can set it up like a toggle between transform 1 and transform 2.

[shut karma]

someone know why the option of "height " didnt appear here? i check videos and guide and it appear an "height" option >.<

[swift sentinel]

Have to go debug mode by clickin' the 3 dots directly to the right of "VRC Phys Bone Collider (Script)" and navigating that menu.

[mellow hawk]

Known bug, use debug

[shut karma]

oh the 3 dots in up i was fighting with the 3 dots near the collider and cant find it

thank you very much

[mellow hawk]

Fixed in beta, just broken rn lol

[shut karma]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-anime-gasp-surprised-gif-15981059

[wild pebble]

So like I could have just one prop swapping between two bones?

[mellow hawk]

More or less yeah, does not work on quest though.

[wheat carbon]

Can I have 2 physbones scripts on one parent bone?

[hidden brook]

isn’t there supposed to be an option for “height” here

[sleek lance]

#avatar-dynamics message The solution is just a few messages above yours.

[mellow hawk]

Know bug, inspector in debug mode.

[hidden brook]

thank you

[dark rampart]

can a world object be a receiver? (senders/receivers)

[idle jolt]

Hey I'm trying to make the gravity falloff adjustable but for some reason while the value changes the actual Avatar does not. (Tail should be going up and down corosponding with GF but is instead stationary)

[jolly crane]

animating physbone values won't do anything unless you toggle the physbone off and on

[idle jolt]

Is there a way to make that sort of updater?

[jolly crane]

sure, you can stick a Bool parameter in the Parameter slot of your radial puppet to detect when the puppet is open

and use that to toggle the physbone off and back on

there's another way to do it but it's far more elaborate lol

[idle jolt]

Oh so basically make an on/off loop and shove it into the parameters?

[jolly crane]

basically just make a normal toggle for the physbone, and drive it using the Parameter option in the radial puppet, so that it automatically turns off when the puppet is opened, and back on when closed

[idle jolt]

What do you mean "opened"? I haven't heard that tearm

[jolly crane]

like when you select your radial puppet in the expression menu

to adjust it

[idle jolt]

Ohhhh

So in short there's no real way to consistently update it

[jolly crane]

you could detect when the value of the float changes, and use that to drive the toggle

but that is getting more complex

[idle jolt]

If toggle is updated, turn off phys, turn on phys, end

I'm assuming the issue is, for some reason, detecting the update

[jolly crane]

detecting the update would require comparing the value of the float to itself in the previous frame

which can be done using a blendtree feedback loop, and another blendtree to do the comparison

[idle jolt]

So... Variables?

[jolly crane]

you're doing all of this with animator logic and animations, which is honestly even more complex than with code

if you aren't comfortable with the unity animator system, don't bother using this method

[idle jolt]

I know how computers work, honestly the unity animator is just a pile of if statements

[jolly crane]

this is an animator smoothing setup

that specific setup is to smooth out a float controlled via OSC

you would then need a 2D blendtree to compare the smoothed value to the original value

you would then have 4 animations in that blendtree, for the values 0 to 1 for each float

the one at 0,0 and 1,1 would have the physbone enabled

and the ones at 1,0 and 0,1 would be the animations that turn the physbone off

like I said, far more complex than a simple toggle lol

https://hai-vr.notion.site/Avatars-3-0-Animated-Animator-Parameters-and-Smoothing-f128c71dd3184c2bb61a4cff8296ada5

this is an article explaining how Animated animator parameters work (essentially controlling a local float using other animations) and some applications

definitely a more advanced topic I wouldn't touch if you aren't already familiar with animators and animations

I have a few other ideas on how to do what you wanted, but I know that this one would work

[calm owl]

You can make animations that change animator parameters? You can make animations that change animator parameters wow

[jolly crane]

ye, it's a more advanced thing but it has a lot of uses

from remembering values, to smoothing setups, to more complex mathematical operations like difference and absolute value

[calm owl]

Yeah a good number of my layers are empty state logic stuff, ive always thought floats and ints would be impossible to use in any meaningful way but with this.. mmm~

So many hidden, unpressed buttons

[eternal mortar]

how can i get the physbone to ignore putting the limits on child bones? i wanna set a different limit for those so they have similar rotations

[little owl]

You can use curves to apply completely different settings to different bones

[eternal mortar]

so does the curve affect values where like x=length, y=setting?

experimenting

[little owl]

x = the number of bones along the chain

so if you have the curve start high and then go low immediately, only the first bone will get the setting and the rest will be zero

[eternal mortar]

ah

going past 0.5 seemed to affect the second one tho

[thorny isle]

wonder if a tool can be made to take child physbone settings and combine them down into the parent as part of a curve

[eternal mortar]

your banner is cute

[hasty willow]

Is there a way to make the children of a physics bone grabbable from a root bone?
For instance, I have a wing and I want the wing tips to be grabbable, but right now only the root is grabbable.

[jolly crane]

the tip should be grabbable as long as the radius is greater than 0

[hasty willow]

well, it isnt

are they just too small?

[jolly crane]

possible

[eternal mortar]

is there a way to prevent hair from clipping through the body (without limits because they'd have to be arbitrary)
i tried adding a collider to the spine but the hair still goes through

[jolly crane]

if you add a collider, you have to tell the hair physbones to check for that collider

depending on how long the hair is, angle limits would help a lot

[eternal mortar]

well this hair goes down to the hip so it's bound to clip through the body in some circumstance

so do physbones automatically collide with colliders from other avatars

i think there should be a button in the new stuff to allow transforming the gizmo itself (like collider position and rotation)

[jolly crane]

only the palm and finger ones

and only if you have collision enabled in the physbone settings

[eternal mortar]

f
what if i wanted someone's chains to rest on my belly

[jolly crane]

not possible

[eternal mortar]

f

btw what is "Allow Posing" in Grab & Pose? i've not heard of being able to pose parts

[jolly crane]

if you pull the trigger while grabbing a physbone, you can make it stuck in place

[eternal mortar]

so can that be undone?

like trigger again or

[jolly crane]

you can just grab it again without pressing the trigger to unfreeze it

[wanton bridge]

Hello! I'm trying to find a way to make a steal-able/take-able prop from one avatar to another using contacts. But I got a bit confused mid-way. Can someone help me narrow them down to basics?
The plan for the steal-able prop is that it works with a specific pair of avatar only.
Any help is appreciated!

[worn mica]

You want a receiver on your prop with a custom tag and a parameter name.
A sender on the hands of your avatars that share this tag.
If you don't want to complicate the task with a proper grabbable prop you can just have the prop on both avis turned off by default and when the parameter is set to true you turn off the prop that got touched and turn on the version on the other avi with a parent constraint to the hand.
This is probably not the best way to do it but that's what came to my mind first-

Otherwise you can look at this : https://camsaviis.gumroad.com/l/FreeGrabLmao?recommended_by=search&_ga=2.228583389.1306609241.1653474293-1439460745.1646140679&_gl=1*w2g4dd*_ga*MTQzOTQ2MDc0NS4xNjQ2MTQwNjc5*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTY1MzQ3NDI5OS40LjEuMTY1MzQ3NDMwNy4w And set this up for your prop instead. To make it work only for the pair of avis I guess you could only activate the physbones if the hand sender collides with a receiver around the prop

[neat elk]

That's one heck of a link

[worn mica]

Ye sorry I just kinda... blegh

[wanton bridge]

Holy hell thank you are a life saver 🙏

[worn mica]

Always happy to help!

[gentle patrol]

Does anyone know how to disable forces in phys bones to only allow for grabbing and posing but not jiggle? I need the bone to follow the exact parent bone and using the settings i have can only get me close to no movement but it still trails behind the parent bone as its simulated

I guess until functionality to disable force simulation is added you can frankenstein it to use a contact and detect hands in the area of the transform and then enable the phys bone temporarily

[mortal zephyr]

does avatar dynamics (touching a button on an avatar) still only work with Float values ONLY? or can i make Bools now?

[worn mica]

Have pull, spring, gravity to 0 and immobile to 1, that should do it

[worn mica]

It works with bools I'm pretty sure

[sage sail]

So I've been working on Avatar Dynamics and was able to get a lot of stuff done. Today I open up my project and now absolutely none of my receivers are receiving anything at all. Nothing is working

The senders have the correct collision tags (because they haven't been changed, but I copy and pasted them just to make sure)

I went to show Contacts in the debug menu and they're not lighting up at all

I disabled and re-enabled self-interact and now it's suddenly working

[shut karma]

can i ask here about finger animator? or is another channel?

[worn mica]

what do you mean by finger animator?

[shut karma]

i want the model change face only when close hands presing the trigger and not only closing the hand (index controller, i use)

[pearl ingot]

has anyone figured out how to do a 2D coordinate touchable surface? I know sliders work well with bool line contact + proximity sphere

[worn mica]

In that case you would need to modify the animation of the fist to not change any blendshapes and just the fingers position

[shut karma]

and how can i do for use the controller trigger? sice isnt a finger im not sure where to find it

(sorry my bad english)

[worn mica]

What you linked seems to be the default controller so it is being used by default if you don't put anything in the gesture layer

[shut karma]

isn't default one , is one that come from booth avatar , before it keep the normal face when close hands and when press trigger at close it it change face.
But author update it and now is different, i was able to set again tracking looking at guides but still losed at the other >.<
maybe for no gesture i should uncheck this option on "idle2"?

[worn mica]

If the mouth and jaw are moving and you don't want them to, yes. Put them back on "tracking"

[pearl ingot]

I wish I could lock the eyelids without locking eye rotation

[shut karma]

mm maybe isnt that then mm , i feel bad asking too much i will try find more guides maybe can i find some video
tyty

[signal sinew]

im not sure if anyone else is having this issue but, my capsule physbone colliders doesn't have a height option

Im using the latest version of the avatar SDK as well
"VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.05.04.17.47_Public"

[crimson berry]

turn on debug mode in inspector

bug fixed in beta sdk

[signal sinew]

Thank you! that fixed it

[little crane]

Does the holster thing for avatar dynamics work for quest

Or is that pc-only?

[timber saddle]

wait a sec.

that's in sipbox's video.. but mine

what's missing here? DX

[shell yarrow]

When did you last update your SDK ?

[timber saddle]

Like... literally a couple days ago?

the vid is from april 28th, i have version 2022.05.04

[shell yarrow]

It was fixed about two weeks ago

[timber saddle]

4 days ago..

so.... i got a bugged version somehow?

[shell yarrow]

If you got it from the website, that is doubtful

[indigo shore]

Im having to much fun with these physics

[timber saddle]

downloaded straight from the vrc download page @_@

but this is what my "capsule" is like, and i can't change it's height

See? latest version..

I just wanted to stop my hair from going through my forehead XD

[shell yarrow]

Investigating

[timber saddle]

I wish we could move collider positions with the grab arrows like we can the view point, instead of punching in numbers and hoping @_@

like how the view point use to be...

[crimson berry]

if u want height get into debug mode

[shell yarrow]

Turns out we didn't backport this fix to live yet

[crimson berry]

yes u didn't

[timber saddle]

uh... How do i go into debug mode?

also, whoops!

[crimson berry]

right to inspector open menu with arrow

and there is debug mode

it is fixed in beta sdk

which was suppose to be out like yesterday?

[timber saddle]

it didn't change it

wait yes it did

the default was 2, and 1 was still too big XD

so why can it be changed in debug and not normal? odd

perfect, anyway. I made the collider the exact shape of my head (nearly)

[wise hinge]

Lmao

[timber saddle]

ANYWHO. another question. to be stretchable, are two bones required? Cuz like the bangs of my hair here is 1.. and i can grab it and pose it. .but when i stretch. .the bone stretches on the display (show bones) but the mesh doesn't stretch

but the longer pieces of hair, that have 2 bones, do stretch

[wise hinge]

Splatoon character hehe.

[timber saddle]

Yus, more mature one (no not nsfw)

[wise hinge]

yeah, I can tell a character from that game anyday

[timber saddle]

the file is known as "teen inkling"

[wise hinge]

ooo

[timber saddle]

OI yes .

Rather than looking underage, okay bot?!

[wise hinge]

The bots are dirty minded

[timber saddle]

i said the L word

like there's not a police RP in vrchat called that, which is friggen famous

Ya know, the one full of miko avatars

ANYWAY, yes this model looks older, that's why i like it, but under the clothes is barbie doll, cuz i'm not about that lewd stuff

[wise hinge]

Yeah no lewd stuff

As I say that the page to deviant art loads and its literally a bunch of lewd stuff

[timber saddle]

yep. :/

[wise hinge]

[timber saddle]

i mean. I'm not in vrchat to be lewd. I'm there to explore neat stuff people made, play games, and hangout

sure some people like that, i'm not them.

buuuut i'm ranting XD

[wise hinge]

same, but im there for the star wars crap

[timber saddle]

which would be "neat stuff people made"

[wise hinge]

Y e s

Also neat stuff I make HEEHHEHE

[timber saddle]

I mean, i've seen this model used by one other person, and it just had dynamic bones. I'm making it have physbones, tentacles that move, and can be stretched

they also put dynamic bone on like.. .all the bones of the face, so it did weird things when you moved

jelloface

[wild pebble]

Does anybody know of any tutorials for prop toggles with contacts?

Like, you have a prop somewhere attached to your avatar, place hand at it, hides copy attached to body and unhides copy in your hand

and then vice versa to 'put it back'

Basically a simple on and off toggle like something you can do in the radial menu, but physical

I want to make those tools on the chest appear in the hand

[timber saddle]

don't use hide

use parent constraint

or dynamics might even have a better option

seeing as you can literally GRAB parts of your avatar. You may be able to just put grabbable bones on the tools

[wild pebble]

I did try grabbable bones at first, but it was a bit clunky having to add in extra bones just to even be able to pull it away

[timber saddle]

Dangit, now i have to experiment

[wild pebble]

The stretch thing doesn't work if it's a single bone, it seems to need atleast a chain of two bones to stretch from what I've found

[timber saddle]

yes that's for stretching, which just scales the bone

[wild pebble]

I wish I could get my hands on that yellowed hair anime boy with the phone and sword toggles

[timber saddle]

and yay, someone came to the same conclusion on that as i did

[wild pebble]

then I could just take that apart to see how it works

Hmm.. actually now that does make me wonder if I can get in touch with them, but I've got no clue what the name of the maker is

but if there'd be anyone that could show me how to do it it'd probably be them v:

[mellow hawk]

An easy way to do it would be: Parent constraints, GestureRight or GestureLeft drivers, and Contact points.

[wild pebble]

How would the gestureright/left come into use?

[timber saddle]

the maker of the avatar? moment i can tell you

[mellow hawk]

Could use it to check if you are grabbing, or if you're had is just their.

[timber saddle]

Yash_88

[wild pebble]

Ah, yeah that would be handy

[timber saddle]

oh my gosh he also made games that use avatar dynamics. guess who, connect 4, bingo, twister

[mellow hawk]

It's one of the built in pram drivers, so that with a Grab contact bool could have it play the animation when you grab it.

[timber saddle]

trouble, sorry, chess...

[wild pebble]

Does kind of suck that the only example of dynamics they included in the SDK is just the basic bone dynamics

and nothing of the contact system

[timber saddle]

to youtube

remember, most of vrchat content is user made

Look up vids on youtube

[wild pebble]

I don't know why but for what ever reason the videos I did find just didn't seem to click for me

and they were mainly just interactions between other users that only triggered on entering each other

like a nose boop

and a high five thing

nothing really about like making grabbable props on yourself

[timber saddle]

uhm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfdC3TnCznY

literally this person grabs their own knife and gun

[wild pebble]

Oh nifty!

[timber saddle]

i searched "grab props avatar dynamics"

[wild pebble]

I don't think that one had showed up for me

[timber saddle]

My google-fu is strong

[wild pebble]

Ah, I was still kind of just searching like physbone contacts or something of the sort

the surface level search results

My thinking skills steadily go down the longer I get stuck at a wall v:

[mellow hawk]

Fair, i'ts one of those things where I just somehow it just clicked and I got. No idea how that happened lol.

Like I can say how to do it, or what's wrong, but no idea where this knowledge came from.

[wild pebble]

I think part of it is my own noggin just thinking "It's just a simple physical prop toggle, surely it can't be that complicated'

And getting stubbornly locked into that

prop toggle

Though there could be a hurdle I might run into. The tools on the body also are currently rigged to the body too

and have shapekeys on em

https://i.gyazo.com/92ec039fcd3b4499bda60f5593484afb.mp4

Oh actually that might not be too much of an issue after all

I could just have a slight animation on the constraint point to move with those shapekeys

and then the tools would still be fixed to the position on the constraint point's new angle

[kindred venture]

The latest update causes the Phys Bone tongue on the Rexouium to stop working.

[thorny isle]

🦀 tongue is gone 🦀

[kindred venture]

It animates the Phys Bone root and the bones before that.

Any idea why it might be broken now?

Okay, apparently moving the bone before the Phys Bone root now doesn't work at all anymore :/

This basically broke all Rexouium Avatars

[thorny isle]

works fine for me

the fake leg bone is rotated for curl, with child as physbone for targeting collider

[kindred venture]

that's everything the tongue does, it's a really weird setup

I've found a work around, for now.

I've set the Tongue1 bone as the root now and used a curve to make stop it from moving

[feral tundra]

could've just upped the immobility

oh never mind, im blind as all hell

[kindred venture]

Found a kinda weird but working work around

It looks like this xD

[broken tiger]

ty for the fix
it's not perfect but it work

[fossil sable]

I can also mirror that heavily animating a physbone chain (like a tongue, posing it to blep and such) has been broken

the physbone chain seems to heavily "resist" the animations.

a quasi-work around for now is to try animate the angle limits to sorta force it into position but it's jank

"Is animated" is checked.

it seems to specifically be strange around the first bone of the bone chain

If i had to hazard a guess, i think it's that animations used to move the bone AND the angle limit envelope, and now they no longer do. Though, disabling angular limits still has jank animated behavior

something to do with physbones and animaitons is upset

[mint kestrel]

can confirm

i've got an avi with wings that are supposed to fold when idle but it seems the bend limits on bones are keeping them "propped up" so to speak

although straight up removing angle limits fixes nothing

i can't seem to animate them at all anymore

[fossil sable]

I think that physbones are trying hard to return to their default initialise position

instead of taking the animated base position as their new base

[mint kestrel]

hmm

i wonder if we toggle the physbone on and off, would it update?

[fossil sable]

i.e instead of the animation transform being the physbone's zero, it's base pos is it's zero. So you animate it then the physbone forces it back

unsure. i spent all morning trying to fix my shit

[mint kestrel]

same, don't want my wings sticking out into everyone's faces

only when i want them to, lol

[fossil sable]

here's hoping they hotfix it

[mint kestrel]

watch it be "intentional, but undocumented"

[fossil sable]

that would prevent you ever animating any physbone-controlled transform

which would not be good

[mint kestrel]

welp, until then i guess my wings will just have them turned off

[fossil sable]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/1201-physbones-resist-animations-even-with-isanimated-checked

feel free to updoot it and put in your 2c

[mint kestrel]

for now my solution is jsut turn off the component

i disabled the physbones and it works again, just stiff as a board for now

[fossil sable]

yeah

[kindred venture]

It works fine (for me at least) if you animate the root bone and / or the children of it. If you also bring the bone before the in it kinda breaks yeah.

In genereal animating Phys Bones is a bit weird though

It works fine in some cases but not so good in others

[fossil sable]

it didn't used to behave like this

so i assume it's unintentional

[kindred venture]

It had issues with that before this update too, now it just got worse

[rugged steeple]

I just wish animating properties in PB actually worked so I wouldn't have to resort to blending between multiple scripts to have different values on a chain at point.

Animating bones with PB on them has been relatively painless for me. Idk what quirk could be going on.

[kindred venture]

You can animate things as Allow Grabbing and so on, but not the forces. There is a work around though, if you animate the value and then turn the script off and on again, it will use the new values.

[wary tartan]

Having a bit of an issue with Physbones... Added an earring to my model's, which has physbones enabled on the ears.. but now the ear with the ring is completely static while the one without still has dynamics

[lean quarry]

Does anyone know why the blue angle cone is just not showing up? I have it turned on and a limit of 20, but the bones are just static, and I don't see the cone

[kindred venture]

Can you show a Screenshot?

[lean quarry]

It's actually a friend of mine that has the issue..

[kindred venture]

Oh

[lean quarry]

Yea..

[wary tartan]

Nevermind, figured it out, just needed to ignore the earring 'bones' in the physbones menu

[lean quarry]

But it looks like the cone is just not there..

[rugged steeple]

Woah, wut. I was just making nulls and toggling the scripts through. I'll try that tonight.

[dark rampart]

how come my physbones represented hand is offset badly? My contacts represented hand (2nd pic) is fine. i have no custom locomotion layer

EDIT: This was caused by PhysBones I had on the chest (hoodie strings). I moved them to their own area and it fixed it.

[bronze gorge]

I've been having the same problem, noticed my avatar's tongue was offset from the previously correct position

[wheat carbon]

Do capsule colliders not have a height adjustment option on them?

Couldn't figure out how to change how long they were when I was working with them in Unity.

[kindred venture]

Update your SDK, that was a bug which got fixed recently

[wheat carbon]

Ah okay I updated it 2 days ago, I'll see if there's a new version.

[kindred venture]

Yup, yesterday there was an update

[pearl ingot]

is there currently any way for a shader operation to trigger a contact or avatar parameter change in any way

[kindred venture]

I don't think so

[flat roost]

can i do a sound trigger from pulling a phys bone?

i want to create a harp and be able to play it with phys bones

if its possible

[onyx vapor]

One of the physbone parameters is stretch - you can use that in your animator to detect how much the bone has been stretched/pulled; from nothing to max stretched (its a float)

and then have that run a state that plays an animation that makes your sound play

[mellow hawk]

Yes, first set up the sound to play like a toggle. Then add a pram to the phys bone component It will generate three underscore pram drivers. all you would need to do is put that {pram}_IsGrabbed bool into your animator.
Heres an example:

[flat roost]

okie thank you!

[flat roost]

ty!!

[mellow hawk]

Btw you dont have to put these in you're synced paramotor object on you're avatar descriptor. These are drivers and so don't require synced data.

[normal dune]

Is there a trick to copying physbones from one avatar to another? If I copy the gameobjects over and set the bone references to the appropriate bones on the new avatar I get some strange behavior, such as physbones moving when they shouldn't or (extra weird) all physbones pointing at my right hand. My solution to this before was to just recreate the physbone component and manually copy over each setting, but that's really annoying now that my configurations have gotten more complex. Is there a reference I'm missing or something?

[mellow hawk]

Best way I've found to do it, just change over the root transform field to where you want the new one to start. plus then you can just have them sit off the armature and be easier to find.

[normal dune]

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm doing. I have a group with all my physbone gameobjects in it (outside the armature), and when I transfer it to a new avatar (same model/armature) I copy/paste it, go through and change all the root bone references, and that's it. It works fine in-editor, I can move the avatar around and see the bones move like they should, but as soon as I load it into VRC (as a test avatar or fully published) it breaks.

[jagged sigil]

I'm having an issue where contacts are disappearing locally but not remotely. Locally the contacts appears to be shaking before they disappear locally but remotely they are stable. Does anyone know what might be causing this?

[jagged sigil]

I believe the issue may be related to avatar head scaling. The object is originally parented to the head and is then parented to a point out of the head.

Maybe this is scaling it oddly when out?

[upbeat tree]

I'm having an issue with scaling bones, for some reason when the bone is scaled larger it starts to twitch... I haven't set up any colliders and I have the "Is Animated" checkbox checked

And oddly enough it's only twitching when I select anything with a physbone component

Scratch that, if I click anything in the scene hierarchy

[distant copper]

How would I set the collider in a physbone script to collide with a pre defined physbone collider such as the torso?

The docs imply you cant so nvm

[grizzled bloom]

can someone help me with senders and receivers?

im trying to make a working drumset

[thin knot]

When I watched the phys bone collider vid, it says that if you select the capsule option, you can adjust the height but it's not giving me that option. Does anyone know how to solve this?

[little owl]

Update your SDK, this is fixed in the latest version

[turbid badger]

what did they change with avatar dynamics in this update?

an animation i have where the tongue is turned on and off and moved out of the mouth

but its no longer working now

tail puppet works though

[little owl]

there's a bug where you cannot animate the position of the root bone of a physbone, it will be fixed in a patch soon

[thin knot]

When importing the new sdk, do we need to delete the old sdk file?

[little owl]

no

[tepid nymph]

how would I make it so that someone can grab an object on my body?

[turbid badger]

oh thank goodness

[turbid badger]

you cant really yet

you can use physbones with Stretch, but it is limited to how physbones work

so you cant pick it up like you would a regular pickup and rotate it and whatnot

[sharp willow]

There a tutorial up for the sleeve grab? I can do the blendshape for it.

[onyx vapor]

You can do a complicated setup which involves parent constraints that allows someone to grab a phys bone and take it wherever they want, although getting rotation with it is very janky

and it only works on PC

[onyx badger]

The PhysBones are included into the SDK?

[feral tundra]

yes

[onyx badger]

I don't need to download them from anywhere else, like I used to do with Dynamic Bones?

[feral tundra]

also yes

[onyx badger]

Cheers ❤️

[onyx badger]

So there are limitation on how many phys bones you can have?

I bought one avatar now and it shows me that I cannot upload it even?

[feral tundra]

for quest yes

[onyx badger]

Am I missing something?

[neat elk]

Quest has a hard limit for PhysBones, unlike PC. That was implemented right as Avatar Dynamics went live.

[onyx badger]

This is not Quest, this is PC

[feral tundra]

im not sure why the buttons are greyed out, probably something to ask in #avatar-help

id also make sure to double check if its allowed to be public or not if it was an avatar you purchased with money. often they're not

[neat elk]

Errors with this icon are usually upload-preventing.

[onyx badger]

I bought it just now

Remake the project?

[neat elk]

Oh, there's your problem. The SDK has some new dependencies you have to install from the Package manager in Unity.

[onyx badger]

What?

[neat elk]

If you aren't super experienced with that though, just making a new project would be easier.

[onyx badger]

You mean companion?

[feral tundra]

i wasn't asking if you bought it. i noticed you have it set for "public" and usually avatar's you purchase are not allowed to be uploaded as public

[onyx badger]

I though Phys is included into the SDK

[crimson berry]

in unity press alt + w go to package manager and update burst to 1.7.1

[neat elk]

Your project is missing the Burst package, you install that from the package manager.

[onyx badger]

alt + w makes me open up the "Window" bar

[crimson berry]

yes lol u don't see package manager?

[onyx badger]

I think it's the project honestly...

[crimson berry]

no it isn't

[onyx badger]

Where is the package manager?

[feral tundra]

read that list

the image you just sent us

[crimson berry]

press arrow

on left of burst

it will show all versions

[onyx badger]

Updating

[kindred venture]

They are greyed out because they have reached the hard limit

[onyx badger]

And enabling this new Burst, will increase that limit?

[feral tundra]

strange because i thought pc avatars could have more than 8 phys bones

but makes sense

[kindred venture]

That's a Quest Avatar

[onyx badger]

That fixed it

So what did I exactly do?

[feral tundra]

updated a dependency

[neat elk]

PC doesn't have an upload-preventing hard limit on PhysBones like Quest. Their SDK is bugged because it's missing a dependency.

[onyx badger]

omfg, thank you so much for saying this!

[kindred venture]

Interesting, for some reason your SDK thought you were on Quest and gave you the limitations for Phys Bones on Quest. This dependency caused the SDK to not update that you are targeting PC and not Quest, updating this dependency made the SDK work normally again.

[feral tundra]

yeah

[onyx badger]

It's so strange, but now it's fixed

[feral tundra]

the build target wasn't even android either so thats why i was like

[onyx badger]

Upload order of unity packages wrong?

[kindred venture]

Nope, everything fine ^^

[feral tundra]

ur fine dude

[crimson berry]

just some of unity doesn't import 1..4.11 version right

[onyx badger]

Just Unity doing Unity things

[kindred venture]

Yeah I just saw the warnings about the hard limit and was like "wtf are you trying to upload to android"

[onyx badger]

Thanks fellas, really appreciate it

[feral tundra]

enjoy the 43 material 300k poly avatar l0l

20 skinned renderers holy

[kindred venture]

I mean even on PC that is kinda bad xD

[onyx badger]

It's ok, I will work on this one, my main one is optimized

[feral tundra]

100% yeah

[kindred venture]

And don't forget the 335 collision check counts for Phys Bones xD

[onyx badger]

I am mostly getting this for a functional phys bones script etc

And only 15$

[feral tundra]

huh

physbones comes with the sdk

[crimson berry]

that avatar counts as 7 of my avatars

kinda makes you think

[feral tundra]

^

[onyx badger]

You don't need to tell me how unoptimized it is, I am well aware XD

[feral tundra]

if you werent able to find the package manager how are you gonna optimize it is the question

[kindred venture]

They wont and that's the fun part about it xD

[onyx badger]

Whilst you guys are still here...

I got this old message now, and I don't remember how to fix it:

[feral tundra]

lol

it tells you right there how to fix it

[onyx badger]

This avatar is a mess

I only have one account XD

[feral tundra]

"detach the blueprint"

[onyx badger]

IM stupid

Sorry

[kindred venture]

Click on your Avatar in the Hierarchy and in the Inspector on the left side go to the Pipeline Manager and click Detatch.

[onyx badger]

HAven't been on Unity for 6 months XD

[neat elk]

Creator must have already had a blueprint ID linked to their account on the avatar.

[onyx badger]

Yea, they had their own blueprint ID

[neat elk]

Sometimes creators forget to clear that before publishing the assets.

[feral tundra]

pretty common thing

[onyx badger]

I don't expect less from these "kids" 😉

[kindred venture]

Feels like this creator forgot a lot of things, like optimisation.

[onyx badger]

Amen

[feral tundra]

whats the gumroad for it bc im kind of curious lmao

[onyx badger]

Here's my main

[onyx badger]

https://yespleasety.gumroad.com

[kindred venture]

wtf is that name "Yes Please Ty" xD

[onyx badger]

It's funny

But they are really nice looking, I wore it last night, totally fit my style personally

Although I am going to remove all the outfits, and just leave the ones I want, like always, hide the verts in Blender etc etc etc

[feral tundra]

"Hair material swaps (16 colors available)
Tattoo swaps (20 different textures available)" bruh

[onyx badger]

Look at the tail my dude

[feral tundra]

how is it special lol

[onyx badger]

HOLY polys

[feral tundra]

oh christ

[kindred venture]

reminds me a bit of the Rexouium tail xD

[onyx badger]

This is mine

[feral tundra]

rexo's 🤌 👩‍🍳

[kindred venture]

Yeah Rezillo (the creator of it) is also not really good at optimisation xD

he used one Dynamic Bone component for each whisker in the face....

[feral tundra]

yeah ive heard lol
i only wish the mesh was flat but my bank acc is the only thing preventing me from purchasing it xd

[onyx badger]

You'll get it one day man

[feral tundra]

for sure but if my bank account wasn't hacked l0l

can't direct deposit into a paypal account

[kindred venture]

I mean my Avatar is also not really that great, but it's useable compared to other's I've seen.... I at least try to optimize it as much as I can.

[feral tundra]

mine is 75k poly, 1 mat, 1 mesh and still counts as very poor :')

[kindred venture]

There are probably Poor Avatars which perform worse then yours xD

[crimson berry]

literally make it 70k and it's poor

ur 5k too much

it might even be good

[kindred venture]

I mean for how much stuff on my Avatar is that's a okay ish performance ranking xD

[feral tundra]

im working on retop but im not sure how "very poor" my stats actually are lmao

metric wise i mean

but ill get over the mild burn of reto xd

[onyx badger]

It's mostly on the hair for me

[dark drift]

Can I limit collisions for physbone to only some preexisting colliders? Ie i want it to interact with nothing but torso. Or should I just create second collider?

[subtle path]

Did somebody know a tutorial for taking a sword or a knife from a scabbard in realistic way??? I need that to my katana

[simple elk]

The default ones are more contact sender then colliders, so you need to make them yourself

[kindred venture]

Only the hand and fingers are used for Colliders

[safe wind]

Anyone know of a tool that allows you to position and scale contact points/ physbone colliders etc just as if they were a normal unity asset like a cube?

[patent herald]

Is there a detailed tutorial somewhere on how to make props be grabbable by others without their location being restricted by to the root bone? For example having a sword on my back being pickup able by another person and them being able to walk around with it

[dark drift]

oh, yeah, makes sense. i've set up my limits so well that i was sure i had collision with torso 🤣

[dark drift]

afaik theres no tutorials for anything beyond tails and playing sound on collision, atm its know how thing. everyone asks here and noone gets answers.

[jolly crane]

yes, Dreadrith's ADOverhaul (paid) https://www.dreadrith.com/l/ADOverhaul

[safe wind]

Neat. thanks

[strange zenith]

That license thing sounds a little much tbh

[jolly crane]

it's basically the only thing one can do to stop people just sharing around your packages

and if it's your primary source of income, I can completely understand taking measures to stop piracy

[strange zenith]

I just don’t think I’ve ever encountered any other package that does it like that

[topaz hamlet]

hey where can i find a good free

dynamic bone

[shell yarrow]

Someone missed the memo lol

[shell yarrow]

You're in luck ! VRCPhysbones is free !

[topaz hamlet]

but i don't find the place to download it then

[shell yarrow]

It's in the latest SDK

[topaz hamlet]

oh ok ty

i got it then

i'm missing just the poio

or something like this

[timber saddle]

Hrm. On an old project of mine the SDK is just deleting the hair bones, not converting them. is there any guide for manual conversion?

[little owl]

if you have dynamic bones on a humanoid bone, the converter will instead place a new physbone component on every non-ignored child that has their own children. if those bones don't have any children it will have nowhere to go

[toxic granite]

Heres a question, how would one be able to interact with another person's physbones without using the generic bones given (IE Hand)

[timber saddle]

i believe you have to use contact senders and recievers

and they have to have some special same-naming?

[toxic granite]

Senders and Recievers for physbones? I'm talking about lets say I have a spoon and I want it to be able to move the other person's ears

[thorny isle]

can’t make global colliders like that

contacts only do detection of other contacts, not direct interaction with physbones

[toxic granite]

Darn, ok, is there a way to specify two avatars to interact with each other on the creation side?

[timber saddle]

so the only interaction we have with bones is hands, and feet?

I'm confused why we don't have a thumb collider XD

[toxic granite]

Thumbs are a myth

[thorny isle]

i want head collider

so booba can rest on head

[timber saddle]

to headbutt people?

[thorny isle]

very important

[timber saddle]

hah

boobhat is nice

I'm surprised there's no global head collider. only interact

[toxic granite]

I wonder if the two avatars are in the same scene and uploaded if that would work

[thorny isle]

surprised feet have contacts but no collision either

but ig not widely used so makes sense

[frigid raft]

Hi there, having a problem where the capsule collider has no height options, how do I fix that?

[toxic granite]

Don't know myself, but it said in the latest release of the SDK it has height again

[frigid raft]

So redownloading the SDK will fix it?

hmm

[timber saddle]

if it's not there, click the tab and select debug

but yes the sdk from yesterday puts height back

[frigid raft]

Ok, i'll give that a shot; thanks

that fixed it; thanks 💚

[rugged steeple]

Could always use a constrained dummy hand and animate the finger bones, thus using their colliders.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[drifting quiver]

anyone have any instructions on how to make it so hair, ears, clothes, etc etc don't collide with the body? Like would I need to change the limits/collision settings or..?

[shrewd cargo]

can I constrain two ends of a chain and have the bones dangle between the points
or should I not do that because thats a bad solution, haha

[mighty blade]

Im trying to get a particle system to play with the contact receivers but i feel like im doing something wrong

i have it all set up correctly. Made an empty game object, added a contact reciever, and made animations for the particle system for it to play when touched

Is there anything i am missing?

i figured it out

if you made a custom parameter in the contact receiver make sure you add it in your fx controller as well

for example it was "cat ball"

and i named it something else

[indigo dirge]

There is a bug now with the updated physbone sync rate, IS Animated now makes the bones jitter between their resting state and moving state.

Example: a simple tail puppet menu has five animations one for up down left right, and neutral its resting state. If tail has physbones with "IsAnimated" selected it will vibrate between the motion and neutral.

Turning it off resolves the issue but the puppet menu does not work in correctly after.

[little owl]

known issue! please see the final line in the patchnotes/announcement

[indigo dirge]

Thankies! ive been away moving haven't had the time to check

[misty rose]

i am having this problem too and its lowkey ruining the whole thing :ohaha

[round fable]

Anyone having the issue where contacts just straight up don't work in unity?

is my project botched up? any incompatibilities i don't know about?

[jolly crane]

no feet, only hands

[timber saddle]

can a collider on you bump bones on someone else, or only your own bones?

i presume only your own ,since you have to add it to the bone

[jolly crane]

only your own

the only colliders that can collide with others are the palm and fingers

you can see that they are yellow in the physbone overlay

while normal colliders are orange

[timber saddle]

hm.

i feel like physbones could use custom colliders

for that interaction angle

[hardy estuary]

Just noticed a new behavior on model with dynamics . The bones are jittering like crazy. The models were fine a until the latest patch and i have not updated them since that time and now my tail and breast bones are just moving rapidly by themselves. Is this a known new issue ?

[hasty willow]

I'm trying to animate the gravity for a bone changing, and I have the animation, and I tested it, and the animation is correctly setting the value for the bone gravity, but it doesnt actually take effect unIess I click the parameter. Like it isnt checking that it updated and then when I click it it does.
Has anyone gotten animations with the new bones to work?

[hasty willow]

Ahah! This'll probably fix it

[hasty willow]

Well it didnt fix it

[light bluff]

i have this on an ear and its shaking the root bone of the ear. the other ear does not do this with the same settings. this ear is animated but the root of the bone does not twitch if i have the phys bone off. i believe it is linked to the gravity falloff. anyone know how i can fix?

[grim flax]

try deleting the radius curve or turn off is animated

those two do not like each other some times

[grim flax]

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