avatar-dynamics

[patent eagle]

yep, but it reacts to the hand then x.x

[mellow hawk]

Angle limit 0°

[fair sundial]

Disable collision

enable grabbing

[gritty turret]

You can do it by setting Collision = false and Allow Grabbing = true. Doing this makes collision with hands stop but still allow grabbing.

Of course, ensure you still have a Collision Radius in order for it to be grabbable.

[patent eagle]

Thx, i will try this :3

[rapid oasis]

Howdy, quick question! I'm setting up a button on my avatar that you can toggle (click on or off), and I have it all working to click in-- but now I'm struggling to figure out how to make it click out.

I've tried to utilize the same way to click in, but obviously that creates a thing where you just rapidly switch between two animations :Y is there a way that I can just add a delay between them? :o

...nevermind I forgot exit time was a thing

lmfao

[covert rock]

consider driving a synced parameter and running the logic locally only

that prevents desync from client lag or late joiners

[delicate shore]

My ear dynamics were fine then I added this christmas light thingy and now my ears are just busted

I removed the light armature from the ears and it brings it back to normal, any idea on how to fix this?

[covert rock]

Add its armature using VRCFury or define all transforms of the christmas lights in the Ignore Transforms list of your ear physbones

[elfin beacon]

Hey guys, is it possible to setup a contact receiver that works off the environment rather than waiting for a collision with a contact transmitter?

[elfin beacon]

uhh, maybe look at root transforms or end points. Looks to be the physbones wiggin out

[dark drift]

no. but theres this https://github.com/VRLabs/Particle-Driver

[elfin beacon]

ok thanks

[delicate shore]

Figured it out just had set ignore transforms for the light bones and set up the ends on a new script

Ty tho

[ruby goblet]

Anyone by chance know how to fix vr chat saying I have too many Phys bones even when I take almost every single one off?

I've tried re loading the sdk but it doesn't seem to help sadly

[sullen ledge]

you need to remove the component entirely, disabling it won't do anything

[ruby goblet]

I've tried deleting and reimporting the sdk and also deleting more Phys bones but to no avail

[fair sundial]

quest has limits, youll have to respect those or theyll all get removed at runtime

And yes, you do have to delete the component entirely

you can try ignorming transforms if theres too many of those

Or is there too many components themselves?

[ruby goblet]

I only have one phys bone and it still say's I got over 200 somehow

Everytime I reload the sdk the error goes away, but as soon as I upload it and check in game all the phys bones are deleted and the sdk once again say's I have to many

If I find a solution I'll post it here

[thorn moat]

How do I go about adding a prop to my avatar with physbones so people can pick it up and move it freely?

I'm making a makeup minigame where you touch a brush to a palette to set the color

[dark drift]

@thorn moat https://github.com/ThatFatKidsMom/Avatar-Prop rotatable/heavy https://github.com/ThatFatKidsMom/Grabbable-Prop no rotation/light

pc only ofc, uses constraints

[thorn moat]

Fuuuck

I was aiming for Quest compatibility

:<

[thorn moat]

Settling for Quest users using their finger instead of a brush

lol

[mellow hawk]

Could use an infinity stretch physbones. If it has two bones in the chain, where the 1st one has stretch, and the 2nd doesn't. You can effectively get a tether physbone, with a rotation physbones.

[thorn moat]

I tried this and the bones just wanted to stay where they were anchored anyways

And any rotation caused the brush to deform in strange ways

Could you elaborate?

[mellow hawk]

The physbones would need to not hold any weight data, only be used as transforms.

[thorn moat]

OOHH

That hadn't crossed my mind

So just parent the object to the bone?

[mellow hawk]

And also ignore the transforms on the prop.

Mmm, now that I think about it, ignore the stretch value instead of transform. That way it can still be grabbed

[bold jay]

My vr keeps crashing

[mellow hawk]

#1138891887374237706

[thorn moat]

@mellow hawk Like this?

[mellow hawk]

I'd assume so

[thorn moat]

Gotcha, I'll test in a bit

:>

I'm adding a plushie as a test for it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039650852144676886/1189729719101423706/image.png?ex=659f3925&is=658cc425&hm=aa9579efcf37b237de5185034f0036ebe461a5071189aee08cc5d2aa9f30ee4a&

[thorn moat]

Hmmhmm

I've been at it for a bit now and I can't seem to get it to work quite right

It worked kinda, but grabbing the bone with the plush would stretch so it wouldn't quite go with a hand properly

How do I prevent that bone from scretching but still working with the stretch bone?

@mellow hawk

I've been trying to get the ignored transforms to work with it, but then it doesn't utilize the stretch

[mental gulch]

Hey i have a question i have problems with Pysbones they wont move anymore. For a moment i though mabey it was an animation error but even with no animator they are stuck does anybody else had a problem like that and mabey know how to fix it?

[sullen ledge]

You most likely have "Error Pause" enabled in the console tab of Unity and an error is firing instantly when you go into play mode which in turn pauses play mode. You'll need to disable it

[mental gulch]

Ok I will try that thanks I hope it's that

[mental gulch]

Ok i tryed it but the thing is ist just like 2 bones that are not moving ever other bone with dynamics does its so weird

[simple elk]

if they are 1 bone - add endpoint or they wont move

[mental gulch]

the thing is when i use the same base model next to it with the same setting for the physbones it works fine could the base model be broken?

[chrome needle]

Can anyone help me with this, when i enable them, they dont appear to others, but appear to me

[stiff glen]

not enough info - it could be the paramter driving the animation isn't sync'd

[chrome needle]

Sorry for the long time no response

but

it works fine on my end, i tried turning on sync earlier but other people still dont see

[chrome needle]

i dont know, and the weird way mobile is they think you're on an nokia 3310 so i cant even enable view to see myself and test faster

[chrome needle]

Hello?

[stiff glen]

hi!

[dark drift]

@chrome needle you can run multiple clients via vcc launcher

[covert rock]

i wish you could emulate and test build android

[chrome needle]

I figured it out already

[chrome needle]

I dont run vrchat through my windows pc

i build and test on my quest3

I got everything working now so im fine

[noble ivy]

hey so i have an ambitious idea, i'd like to make an avatar with a guitar prop that can be visually "played" in a slightly more accurate and musical way than typical item props. tl;dr: the guitar would be worn on a strap and anchored to your belly area, the entire neck of the guitar is a grabbable surface and if the left hand grabs it it can be slid up and down the neck without letting go, while holding a pose like a barre chord or power chord or something rather than just a fist. what kind of systems will i need to learn to implement this and can you suggest any up to date tutorials on any of them? i have made a simple cross platform avatar already but never anything with props, etc yet. i assumed i would need some kind of IK system for the left arm but someone mentioned physbones might actually be enough???

oh the prop would be part of teh avatar itself not a world item

in case that was unclear

[covert rock]

That's probably gonna be very difficult and even impossible on quest, since it does not allow audio sources

[lone cypress]

On quest?? Oh man that's a Hard ask. Maybe an avi that has contact receivers + an animation toggle maybe.. Good luck.

[warm comet]

Hi, is there a way to check the force / velocity of contact sender in a contact receiver so that i can do different things based on the velocity? In my case i want to have both a headpat and a hit sound when someone punches me in the face. I want only one to activate at a time obviously

i know the onEnter of contact receivers have a minVelocity... But thats about it. If there was a maxVelocity i already could've figured it out i guess

[covert rock]

You'll need two contact receivers, and set up the animator in a way that it ignores the lower min velocity one when the higher min velocity one activates

[warm comet]

ye but how do i do that? How do i make it ignore the lower min one?

[noble ivy]

no, on PCVR. I don't need quest compatibility on this particular effect since the idea is to use it in a scripted way in a music video not just randomly socially. it doesn't need to make sound or anything, it's a visual effect.

[sterile canyon]

Hi, does anyone know if it's possible for two players with the same avatars to send and receive variables so that select variables are synced?

[covert rock]

Yeah, you can utilize contact senders and receivers for that

Just keep in mind they are limited to 3m range

[sterile canyon]

I've used those for one thing but it doesn't really do well with regards to syncing up animations

I wanted to have an avatar with a partner essentially have a variable synced between us so that it's the same for both

So if animation = 4 it should be the same for them and I'd like it to be somewhat consistent. I know of a potential way to use contacts, but I know that would be tedious

[wild estuary]

hey guys, I've got an avatar with some boob physics don't don't seem to match my other avatars. When they get touched (collided with), the boobs really don't do much other than maybe compress a few centimeters and then nothing. There is a collider radius on it, and I've moved settings around a bit on the physbone to get it more interactable, but I'm not getting good results. Grabbing the physbone yields much betters results for some reason.

nvm figured it out. It's the curve on it that is causing the actual collider to be zero. The collisions were affecting the root bone instead of the jiggley part

[covert rock]

Either that, or some OSC syncing thing

The thing is, contacts would also be affected by the same network lag, so animations would sync up

[chrome needle]

so, i made a sort of selection thing that uses 1 whole gameobject instead of multiple for optimization, but when i select one thing, and switch to another in the selection, i try to select that previous one, it no longer works, can someone help?

if this is activated once, it stops working, i tried setting it to exit or filler but that just causes it to go back and undo the changes of the animation

and the animation changes are meant to stay until changed by other object

[covert rock]

this is a dead end

[chrome needle]

Gahhhhhhhh

[covert rock]

either make another transition back to the first state

or make a transition to exit

and flip the condition

[chrome needle]

there's like 4 other different things that can be activated

which all do the same but with different anims

all meant to just change model, change the position so they're proper

damn no response

[pallid abyss]

so, this may have been addressed before, but i have no idea how to frame a query accurate enough for discord's search function... would it be possible to use avatar dynamics to make a dullahan style avatar where i could remove the head, and others could then interact with it? and then my next question would be is there a way i could get the view point from the perspective of the (now-detached) head?

[sterile canyon]

This is kind of driving me nuts rn

This a float variable, it's set to 0.11 and the condition is set to only fire when it's LESS than 0.11 yet it fires the transition anyway

I'm not crazy am I?

Is this just a weird quirk with the slide menu and a float variable?

[dark drift]

@sterile canyon floats and equality check are not a good match. also dont forget that you have only 7bits of precision for unsigned public float (1/128, 2/128 and so on) so 0.11 is not even possible.

[sterile canyon]

I guess I just have to use something else other than a float

[covert rock]

what are you trying to do?

[sterile canyon]

Using a combination of contact senders and receivers to create a synced animation for those who use this same avatar, it has multiple phases in the animation too that needs to sync on commmand of the users.

This is just the function that is supposed to enable and disable the contacts with the expression input

Was hoping to use a slide menu for ease of use

[dark drift]

if you use radial, its weird to be so precise, like idk, having 10 states is already making it hard so select. if its toggles that toggle strict float values then int is a way to go

[sterile canyon]

Yea, but having buttons for the different phases is just going to clutter. But honestly, what I am doing is already asking too much of what VRC can do

lol

[dark drift]

if youre asking 100 stages out of radial, yes. if its like 5 i still fail to see the issue

[swift sentinel]

You're not going to select 99% or 1% on a radial. Snapping issue.

[dark drift]

as i said even inbetween it would have some problems with 7bit precision

so i think.. 50 states are doable? youd need to be some osu grandmaster to ever hit them tho.

[covert rock]

i think 50 and maybe even 25 and 75 snap too

but i could be wrong

[swift sentinel]

Yep.

[stiff glen]

You could do something like have a duplicate head which is movable, show it and hide the main... but you couldn't change your perspective without really complicated things with cameras.

[pallid abyss]

how would i go about doing that?

[simple elk]

could get the view point from the perspective of the (now-detached) head << add camera that turns on when is off/grabbed this grabs your viewpoint , enjoy nausia , cause fov is gonna be very strange

think mine need 110 fov but it felt waay smaller then that and adjusting is funky , cause mine sure werent anywhere near where it was in unity

[pallid abyss]

gotcha, i'll have to look into how to add cameras; haven't learned that yet

[simple elk]

recommend not making it only a toggle, cause your menu gonna go bye bye (last time i did this anyway , was just a toggle+gesture , if both werent true+gesture fist i think , back to normal it went)

[dark drift]

can you have propper stereo cam?

how to do so, what does it render or is it just default like the worlds

[twilit sedge]

In unity the physbone of the bell works normally, in game it works for other players normally aswell
however for myself it's stiff
other physbones work perfectly fine
anyone got an idea on why?

[covert rock]

for yourself as in if you touch it?

show the physbone component

[twilit sedge]

no, I myself as on my client it's just stiff no matter what

[covert rock]

hmm

are you testing with gesture manager?

[twilit sedge]

yes

[covert rock]

doesn't look like there's anything wrong there

[twilit sedge]

it's working just fine on other peoples end so idk either

all other physbones work just fine on my client

[covert rock]

and it doesn't work in a mirror clone either?

[twilit sedge]

mirror clone?

[twilit sedge]

do you mean when I look into the mirror?

[covert rock]

yes

[twilit sedge]

doesn't work there either

[twilit sedge]

that's what it looks like in the mirror

and there doesn't seem to be a physbone shown in the overlay

[covert rock]

very weird, it seems it's just being removed on local clients

but gesture manager sets IsLocal to true, so it's not like there's some animation toggling it off locally

[tawny ermine]

Question, am I not suppoed to import dyanmic bones anymore? because every time i do, the bones dont move when in play mode; i also get an error from the sdk...

[stiff glen]

you convert dynamic bones to physbones, there's a function in the SDK to do it now

[dark drift]

@tawny ermine while dynamic bones technically should be supported, still, 99.99% of clients ingame will convert it to physbones anyway so you better to convert it in unity and see/adjust how it looks

does unity 2022 supports whatever dynamic bones you have is another question, probly just need to update.

[spare oriole]

I seen a public avatar have feet colliders that could interact with other peoples avatars. But everywhere I look and google people say its not possible

how is it possible I cant figure it out

[covert rock]

add a vrcfury global collider to your feet

[spare oriole]

thanks

[ruby goblet]

For some reason my index finger has a little peace of mesh that moves when the other hand moves for some reason. I thought I was a just an accidently weight painted finger, but after going threw every finger in blender and extensive posing testing it wasn't an issue at all in blender but would start happening in unity?. Has anyone else had this issue?

[primal echo]

Does anyone have some input that could help me with setting these Physbones for my hair correctly? These long pieces in front in particular - they sway with my movement, they look great... Until I tilt my head, and it's like the gravity settings aren't working. I've tried so many locations on the sliders for both gravity and gravity falloff and nothing is helping?

[stone pivot]

https://gyazo.com/b939394a4d9d3e95b8dd6f7646b3e148 is there a way to prevent my tail from becoming my front tail

[dark drift]

@stone pivot limits, plane collider

angle (cone) limits would work great

[stone pivot]

ty!

[ruby goblet]

Id recommend reading up on what each setting does for you to get the desired phys bone movement ya looking for, this is what helped me at least lol https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/physbones/

heres the gravity setting in detail sorta lol

Gravity - Amount of gravity applied to bones. Positive value pulls bones down, negative pulls upwards.
Gravity Falloff - Only available if Gravity is non-zero. It controls how much Gravity is removed while in the rest position. A value of 1.0 means that Gravity will not affect the bone while in rest position at all. This allows you to have the effects of gravity when the bone is rotated off the initial position without affecting the bone's rest state.

One way to use the Gravity Falloff parameter is that if your hair is modeled as already being in the pose you want when standing up normally, you can use 1.0 gravity falloff. That way gravity won't affect you when you're just standing there, and your hair will rest in its modeled position. If your hair is modeled 45 degrees straight out and you want it to be affected by gravity enough to have a nice curve (but not completely straight out or completely straight down), the slider allows you to fiddle with it and use like 0.5-0.8 to only have a fraction of gravity at rest pose

[simple lynx]

Does anyone know how to toggle physbones? Basically I've made my model have two tails and when they're toggled off, they hide within the model. The thing is that when they're toggled off, they still fly about with the physbones outside of the body. I want to know how I can make it that when there's no tail toggled on, the physbones also don't move. For example when people make it that a tongue can move outside the mouth but when it's inside the mouth it's not effected by physbones. I hope I make sense here! Any help would be much appreciated! x

[keen sluice]

just disable the physbone component

you can disable it with animation

[simple lynx]

ohhh okay thank you XD

Does that require that my tails are not attached to the main mesh?

Cause they're all linked on the same gameobject

[keen sluice]

just disable the component not the object

[simple lynx]

oki thank you (sorry for the dumb question haha) x

[fast linden]

hi everyone! i downloaded vrm1.0 for this, but most tutorials are for the previous versions. Im trying to figure out how to assign joints to spring bones!

basically ive tried clicking and dragging the joints i want to use as spring bones but it doesnt accept it, im not really sure if joints need a certain scripts on them before adding them to the joint list here

[keen sluice]

Pretty sure you use vrm not vrm10

They are separate things

If you are converting a 2019 project to vrm you need to use version .99 or something like that

[fast linden]

i got it figured out, turns out theres a spring bone joint script i needed to add to the joints themselves first!

[keen sluice]

Yes

What are you using this for specifically anyway

[fast linden]

this is my first time using VRM and to be honest im not really sure what the difference is between past vrm and vrm1.0 (is it vrm10?)

[keen sluice]

What unity version

[fast linden]

im just using this as a vtuber, so not vrchat specifically. its unity version 2021.3.3f1

[keen sluice]

Vrchat doesnt use vrm

But assuming vseeface

[fast linden]

oh really? totally thought it did 🤔

[keen sluice]

Or something similar

[keen sluice]

Fbx and vrcsdk

But as for vtuber programs

And how vrms are set up

[fast linden]

yeah im trying out Warudo or if thats too anoying to use in the long run then ill just re-rig the character and ill be using it in unreal

[keen sluice]

Essentially

You convert physbones and shaders to vrm springbones and vrm (SPECIFICALLY VRM) shader

Click on the univrm or vrm tab at the top and export it as vrm

Export to desktop or somewhere other than project folder

Then create a new folder in unity and drag that vrm you just exported into that new folder

Which gives you the full set up vrm

Bring that into the scene and edit that new vrm file asset

It puts all the vrm components you need

[fast linden]

sorry backing up, so are spring bones NOT the same as jiggle bones?

[keen sluice]

Whatever the vrm specific was called

But

https://youtu.be/uI5X7dIxF1Q?si=04uCHiQb5qjmkAOs

Good tutorial to walk you through the process

[fast linden]

ah i looked at this, this is for a different VRM version unfortunately

[keen sluice]

Although eventually you can also look at the new vseeface file format that allows custom shaders and animations

[keen sluice]

Doesnt matter

[fast linden]

i have everything else setup, it was just simply the jiggle bones/ spring bones i was having issues with

[keen sluice]

Every version of vrm not vrm 10 is basically the same

[fast linden]

but thank you for sharing! i have a different tutorial i was following but theyre basically the same

the spring bone script in specific was different menus/setups from the previous version but i got it sorted 👍

[keen sluice]

Will tell ypu of you arent slready doing this but you need to use vrm not vrm10

[fast linden]

yeah halfway though setting things up i figured id probably have to redo it but i dont really mind

just sort of figuring out things for now haha

[abstract ore]

Hey, is it possible to control where the end of a physbone chain is positioned with constraints? like with a tube or rope

[dark drift]

@abstract ore nope, it would just drag the final (constrained) component ignoring physbones settings ie stretching

[abstract ore]

I see, do you think there's anyway to achieve some that kind of effect with other tools or techniques?

I've heard final IK works with VRC

[dark drift]

perhaps spring joint

[abstract ore]

hmmm

[dark drift]

final ik works with vrc, no idea if its capable of this

[night elbow]

luckily for my avatar there are no phys bones, only normal generic "bones".

[marble canopy]

Hey all, I've got a bit of a weird question for y'all.
If I wanted to play an animation for a specific user, is that possible?

Say, i stab someone with a knife, I want that person (and only that person) to see an animation play.
It's a pretty simple anim so Essentially I just need the person who's body is touching the contact reciever on the blade to trigger a bool and nobody else.

I'm pretty sure this is doable, but I'm not sure of the exact method, anyone know how?

[wise meteor]

is there a plug in for adding face gestures to hand gestures?

[dark drift]

@marble canopy nope its not. maybe with particle driver but itd be some jank

@wise meteor https://github.com/hai-vr/combo-gesture-expressions-av3

[marble canopy]

oh damn, okay,

[covert rock]

you can also use vrcfury gestures

not sure how easy this hai vr combo gesture thing is to use, but vrcfury gestures are super easy to use

[fair sundial]

yeah.. there's a parameter for other users on your friends list, but unfortunately not for specific players

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[marble canopy]

I figured it would be possible to trigger for the person touching the contact via some trickery with islocal

But i guess not

[fair sundial]

unless their avatar had a specific parameter on a contact sender

but otherwise yeah probably not

[marble canopy]

damn,

[oak sphinx]

so, a Dynamic Bone had something called exclusions, where I select which stuff are not gonna interact with it right?

I dont see that option for the phys bones

[dark drift]

@oak sphinx it has ignore transforms, list of bones (and its children) to not be affected even while being under physbone hierarchy

otherwise you can only allow interaction for you/others for interaction between players (hands) and all added colliders needs to be added manually

[thorn moat]

Greetings :>

I could use some help with making a grabbable brush for my makeup minigame

I tried doing an infinite stretch physbone but I wasn't able to figure out how to make the prop bone grabbable

I'm trying the Grabbable-Prop prefab from ThatFatKidsMom but it's pretty heavy and complex for my needs

I just need rotation

Not world position

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360229071109619712/1197891597468176394/image.png?ex=65bcea7c&is=65aa757c&hm=19762984d5d293673df205e9af86ac952ae5e2ae2459f0ea5e27c262282725e7&

If anyone has advice it would be appreciated

[ruby goblet]

Anyone know what might be causing the blend shape to not work in unity?. The blend shape works fine in blender, but after putting it into unity it just stops working

nvm lol, just decided to just redo the shape key, don't know why I'd try fixing it since it just takes longer lol

[ruby goblet]

Can try doing what on of the fallback avi's do for grabbing and using a mesh, make a set of bones that extrude from where the object is originally placed ( so away from the object ) then loop back after maybe two bones by adding another three or four on the loop back to the object, then set the last bone that you just made to be weight painted to the object and in unity make all the bones you just created phys bones and add max stretch

will allow you to grab and move around the object in vrc but obviously in the rang of how long of a loop of bone's you create since it's relying on phys bone stretch to work

[wise meteor]

can someone help me do gestures with vrcfury?

[finite plume]

Anyone good with Skirt phybones with colliders?

[stiff glen]

I'm not sure anyone is, that's a pain in the neck to get even sorta okay 🙂

[finite plume]

It used to be good at one point and then they changed soemthing in the code for it..

[stiff glen]

other than physbones 1.0 vs. 1.1, I don't think so

[covert rock]

Skirts are horrible

[finite plume]

Ive seen good skirt physics but everytime I try it, they come out crap

[sacred kite]

best skirt physics I've seen have the bones parented to the legs and not the hips

[finite plume]

But what bout that middle piece thats not on the leg ?

[covert rock]

I wonder how a horizontal capsule collider constrained to both legs would work for skirt physics

[dark drift]

not great. @simple elk pls provide them the constraint setup video

[covert rock]

Or maybe just constraining the skirt bones to either leg directly

With a low weight on the opposite leg

[floral linden]

constraining skirt bones to legs would be the way to go

the horizontal capsule collider mostly works to avoid clipping through the hip area which you could accomplish better using angle limiters

[stiff glen]

Definitely do this

(or constrain, yeah)

[floral linden]

parenting bones directly to legs would only work if the skirt actually sits that low

anything above this line would break

[fair sundial]

I use an aim constraint with the target being the lower leg to get the skirt bones to follow the knee

works pretty well

[floral linden]

that's a pretty good idea, yeah

[stiff glen]

ooh that is definitely an interesting idea

[dusky heath]

Help

I'm applying dynamic bones (tried Simulated bones and ezbones too) on objects, and once I start the game, dynamic bones script is disabled

[mellow hawk]

Why not just use physbone?

[dusky heath]

I tried that too, it got disabled right after starting the hame

I thought maybe there's conflict, so I deleted all of them from the assets and tried physbone, still got disabled on start

They work perfectly fine when I manually enable them in unity after starting the game, my only problem is that they're disabled on start for some reason

Oops I'm in the avatar section, I'll try the world channels

[ruby hemlock]

is it possible to make a toggle that enables and disables phys bones

[stiff glen]

yes, put them on an empty game object and disable that 🙂

[fair sundial]

yeah! youd just make an animation and disable the phys bone component itself

[mellow hawk]

With PB 1.1 you even have a check box for disable resets them.

[late crest]

how would i go on about to make an avatar that has a on/off toggle for an object with dynamic bone

context:

i also have VRChat Toggle Assistant

[ruby goblet]

In the objects inspector tab make a toggle for the phys bone to be on and off, so it can go from moving to being solid

[late crest]

wait- can u do that w a gesture?

[ruby goblet]

so just un check the phys bone component on and off in the animator

[ruby goblet]

mhm

[late crest]

alr, imma see how

[ruby goblet]

what you can do is make the toggle for the phys bone to be on and off, and then set the transition to whatever gesture you want it to be toggled with, so if you want it to be on the right fist, you set it up like this

would also have to be an int parameter

[late crest]

hmm i see

[ruby goblet]

and if you have a chain of physbones and you want it to have like a cool on and off animation as if it's getting solid from ya arm to the blade instead of just the whole thing becoming hard at once, "Ay yooo" anyways, you could just make a toggle for each phys bone turn on one by one in order on just one animator along side with the gesture toggle, and to make it work in the fx layer, set one state to have the speed of 1, and the other to -1

[late crest]

well actually, im thinking of giving him a mace of some sort, so that could be sick

but what do u mean by "a cool on and off animation as if it's getting solid from ya arm to the blade instead of just the whole thing becoming hard at once"

u mean like this?:

https://tenor.com/view/symbiote-staring-gaze-intense-gaze-extraterrestrial-creature-gif-12368802

[ruby goblet]

down side is you'd need to make each bone it's own separate phys bone, but meh, as long as you don't intend to have alot of phys bone's on ya avi it should be fine

[late crest]

the axe has 5 phys bones

however

the tendrils...

has 33

but yea nah

i just want like

only the axe to have a hard/floppy toggle

tendrils r gonna be floppy all the time

ty btw lol

[ruby goblet]

like instead of just the phy bone being toggled on and off with with gesture and it instantly going from moving to solid, you could make a chain like phy bone toggle so one by one each phy bone get's toggled off so it looks a little more smooth when going from moving to not moving

would use up a lot of phys bone component's witch would be the only down side tho

[late crest]

well does it really matter since im basically using 33 dynamic bones per tendrils?

or is physbones something else-

hol on imma just see a vid ab it rq

[late crest]

i have no idea how to see how my physbones are... pressing play just puts me in the pov of the camera and i cant do anything

[sullen ledge]

set the game tab to "Play unfocused" to prevent this from happening again and go back into the scene tab

[late crest]

ty bro

[late crest]

Do I need to check "is animated" if I'm going to do an on/off toggle w the same object

[dark drift]

you need is animated if you use some animation on your bones that are also affected by physbone component (tail wiggle etc)

[late crest]

but what if im trying to make my object togglable (on and off of the avatar). Doesnt the easiest way to do toggles require an "animation"?

[dark drift]

@late crest no its not, it only if you animate the transforms (position rotation scale) of affected bones.

[late crest]

got it, thanks!

[late crest]

i also dont know why, but the modifications of my physbones wont save...

[stiff glen]

Make sure you don't make changes in play mode.

[late crest]

ye i figured lol

[stiff glen]

you can, just copy them (in the ... menu at the top right) and go out of play mode and you can paste the values

[late crest]

idk why, but whenever my avi is in this position, the bone of his mouth keeps opening, idk if its supposed to happen, but his default pose has his mouth closed...

[late crest]

nvm i figured it out

[zinc skiff]

Does anyone know if it's possible to set up physbones with two points of connection? I'm hoping to make something like this cable going from the avatars back to it's forearm.

[stiff glen]

nope

[austere ridge]

Anyone been having a issue with physbones where the areas weighted to the physbone vanish sometimes in game if touched in a certain why

[turbid ice]

How would I go about a setup to swap an object freely between hands? Looking to get a springjoint to swap hands but I can't find a setup in the fx layer that has the swap animation stick nevermind, found a guide!

[mortal ginkgo]

You can set up a "Stay inside" collider for the final bone in the chain. So at all points it will stay inside of the arm. how ever this will not always look the best so it's generally a good idea to do this in the middle of the chain instead of at the end, so each side would have half the chain, and a stay inside collider for the last bit of each side chain. It still wont look perfect but it will get the job done.

[covert rock]

Wait that's genius

You could also add a contact sender and receiver to make sure the final bone is actually inside the physbone, and if not, reset it

[mortal ginkgo]

Very true

Anyways I'm looking for help myself, I'm trying to find a good asset or tutorial to achieve a proper pendulum effect, when momentum is moderately accurately achieved. A simple example would be using small movements of the hand to sway a medallion like a hypnotist would. and a much more extreme example would be what the end goal actually would be. and that's making a fire poi asset. reference here: https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxKReSJwESV2Ej8EUnVXHjZ1WCknqbjqz0

[mortal ginkgo]

As a note, i'd like to do the extreme example above, but my friend asked for something like this on their avatar, but the physics dont continue the momentum (which you can see near the end of the video) so isnt satisfied with it.
https://booth.pm/en/items/2531065

[fair sundial]

If you want a consistent swing, you can always animate the bone

or maybe a springjoint??

shrug

springjoints have good momentum

They are pc only though

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats fine by me, I'm currently attempt to make use of the build in unity joints, how ever being able to get a reasonable momentum is truly something else... lol

But no a pre animated swing wouldnt be what im looking for

[mortal ginkgo]

I've come up with a fairly good idea to achieve the desired results though i dont know how exactly to execute it. I would like to have a rigidbody sphere stay within another sphere, so that all of the momentum is relatively accurate to what one would expect in the real world. How ever the outer sphere needs to be a stay inside collider, which the only one is VRC's phys bone collider, and making use of phys bones causes more problems then it solves.

[torn tendon]

Does anyone have an example on how to use grounderik to use as a contact sender to detect if a receiver touches ground or not?

[copper estuary]

Can you do grabbable props when the prop is already tied to a bone? (Example i have a cigarette prop tie to a bone can i make it grabbable still?) I hope that makes sense ^^"

[mellow hawk]

I mean, yeah. Mesh is always tied to a bone. All bones are one or more transforms with weight data.

Something like physbones just change how those transforms follow each other.

[calm jacinth]

is thhere any voice chasnnles in here

[keen sluice]

no

[twin bear]

Does anyone have any kind of tutorial video for adding physbones? I made a model, but I can't get the Phsybones working or moving.

[marble ivy]

I do make physbones

[twin bear]

Can you tell me how? My model has bones, I just can't figure out physbones or how to get them to move.

[simple elk]

2 messages from him both are suss (first one is like every scammer in this discord) , you dont make physbones, attach it to a bone you want to be able to move go into play mode move your avatar around it should flop (if its more then one bone otherwise add endpoint)

[twin bear]

I tried that, it didn't move though.

[covert rock]

nah bro you don't understand, he literally coded physbones :)

[supple garden]

quick very specific question: if you disable a physbone component, does it have a positive performance impact if you also disable it's corresponding colliders?

[rich trout]

Straight up, yes. But depending on the collider the difference will be significant or negligible. Also remember multiple colliders on the same object are combined on build, so removing one but leaving another will make no difference

On that note, is there any kind of rough guide out there for velocity? In particular, the velocity tag on a contact receiver.
There's always trial and error, but I'd rather take the guesswork out, especially with how goddamn slow Unity '22 is.

[shell jay]

so with contact receivers is there a way so that i can make it so that only the person who comes into contact with it sees the effect
so like say if i added a button that toggled a texture can i make it so that only the person [not the person wearing the avi] who pressed it to see it

[keen sluice]

Technically you could

[shell jay]

im trying to
im asking how lol

[keen sluice]

Not sure entirely myself but its done with a local sync

[shell jay]

yeah but idk how id get the local sync to only work for the person who activated it

since non local is everyone but the avis user
local is only the avis user

[simple elk]

not seeing a way to do this, will always see things on your own av change - whenever someone trigger something others will also see it - you can get random results with a random driver but still will trigger for others currently there (without an annoying contact/reciver thats only on THAT avatar, not user)

[shell jay]

yeah the only way i can see doing it rn is adding a sender on another avi that allows them to toggle it that they see locally

[bitter kelp]

i want to be able to pull this magazine with phys bones but it's, like i just cant

[bitter kelp]

i figured it out

you have to add a second bone, in the video i only had 1 bone for the magazine and the endpoint position was a decimal

what ur supposed to do is have 2 bones with the same vertex weights, then you don't have to type anything into endpoint position and everything else works (not sure why but ok) , basically 2 bones both weight painted to the magazine and the last one is tiny

[unreal moss]

Anyone here physbone wizards? I need to solve this

no matter what i do to the values, it either responds to gravity but is far too snappy like this, or it just floats

[keen sluice]

Pull is just how much its trying to return to shape
Spring is how much itll move before stopping
Gravity either pulls it up or down
Immobile tries to keep it from moving

Also the smaller the bones the more hectic it is

[dusky crest]

is there any way I can prevent a physbone from being able to roll?

squishing a bone against a collider is causing it to roll 180deg upside down

[stiff glen]

Yeah, you can limit its movement, look at the limits section

Try "angle" or "polar"

[dusky crest]

that doesnt constrain roll though. I ended up adding an extra endpoint and telling it to point with gravity, which seems to at least always make it point towards world z, though it would better if it were local z

[keen sluice]

in order to do squishing you need to animate it

[keen sluice]

the physbone squishing isnt actually meant to squish the bone like that

[late crest]

MAN idk why this is happening. As soon as i put the wings on my model, it completely shifts the parent bone's position...

[keen sluice]

thats just a unity thing

its not actually moving the bone

unity does a whole weird center of mass thing

[late crest]

so unfixable...

[keen sluice]

theres nothing broken

rotate it from the transform component instead

[late crest]

i

[late crest]

went on vrchat with this avi

its doing the same thing as shown

[keen sluice]

your rig is a bit odd tbh

why is a lot of it just named "spine"

[late crest]

neck and head are spine 4 and 5

also i think i found the problem....

i forgot to adjust the view

[covert rock]

change Center to Pivot

[long sparrow]

yo, is there a way to detect when avatar is airborne with contacts? im making a flying avatar with the flight platform method and I want to activate flight only when i jump or fall

[stiff glen]

Hmm Grounded perhaps?

[long sparrow]

hows that work?

[keen sluice]

Same way jump&fall animations work

[long sparrow]

Doesn't work, unfortunately. vrchat considers the avatar local object i use as an invisible flight platform as the ground also, it seems

[long sparrow]

after some tinkering, ive managed to make 'grounded' work as a secondary criteria for start flight! thanks for the advice!

[stiff glen]

oh nice

[onyx vapor]

Is there some way to cause all physbones that are currently posed (not grabbed) to reset their pose (as if the wearer clicked the reset pose button), controlled in an animation controller?

[ancient sphinx]

yo does anyone know if its possible to make it so when a contact reciever is touched, it toggles a parameter on and off even while not constantly touching?

like
someone presses a button and a sign pops up till the parameter is manually toggled off?

[onyx vapor]

you can have animator logic that runs a parameter driver to toggle an avatar-synced bool

So if contact_touch = 1 and AvatarBool = 0 -> Parameter Driver sets AvatarBool = 1. And then set up the opposite logic to turn AvatarBool off if the contact is touched again

[shell lotus]

whave avatars

what have avatars

[sacred kite]

What?

[halcyon vault]

I'll do you one better, why have avatars

[stiff glen]

ooh that's deep

[snow spoke]

Hi. I'm trying to find tutorials for grabbable props on avi (that others can grab) but can't find any (or i'm searching wrongly). I rigged a cup to add to my avi but it only wiggles when people try to grab it.

I'm assuming it's the stretching that does it but I'm not sure what I did wrong.

Ok i think it's working now. I have to rig it differently.

[proud hull]

because everyone wants to be an anime girl

[gritty turret]

Or be a furry.

Don’t worry, an anime girl with cat ears and a tail is only the beginning.

[terse drum]

is there a way to set "pull" beyond 1?

[keen sluice]

why would you want it beyond 1

[terse drum]

i want faster snapping

or is it spring? vrchats phbl bones are confusing me hard

[keen sluice]

pull just tries to return it to the original state
spring gives it the momentum

[terse drum]

yea that one, you know any one who can do that better then or is it like... yk?

[keen sluice]

its very much just mess with it and find out

[torn tendon]

can somebody help me with dynamic bones / physbones..??? I dont even know where to start

[stiff glen]

Got a specific question?

[torn tendon]

everytime I try to put physbones on my tail it always resets it once I go out of play mode and idk what to do

[stiff glen]

Don't put it on in play mode - any changes made there will not stick. But you can click the 3-dots menu in the upper right and copy the component, then when not in play mode, paste that as settings in the same menu

[torn tendon]

OHH okay tysm that worked😭 🙏🏻 Im new to this and I didnt know that it didnt save in play mode

[lavish chasm]

yep! nothing you do in play mode saves when you exit, including any changes to the descriptor (trust me, happened to me all the time)

[formal ravine]

Anyone have a good tutorial for setting up bones for an avatar?

[terse drum]

i mam yet again to consult with the gods

when you have different physbone colliders srt up between the quest and pc avatar, can the quest side colliders mess with physbones present on pc side? and if so, why?

[covert rock]

physbone collisions are local

[terse drum]

ok, good to know, i mustve screwed something else up on my end then

[covert rock]

so if the same collider is also on the pc avatar, it will mess with physbones on it

[terse drum]

ok so i have another question. when you do custom collider curves like this. are the colliders actually supposed to be interacting with themselves?

i have an avatar that came with a really long and dynamic tail and its doing like the default gmod ragdolling by default

currently attempting to use the limit angle at 2 degrees in hopes it behaves better

[covert rock]

a physbone does not interact with itself

[terse drum]

omg i had 2 physbone components...

thank yall

[terse drum]

ok so.... im not sure what im doing wrong lol, so i removed all tail physbones but the tail is still acting up

like idk where the extra physbones are coming

how do you reference search vrcphysbones? its just that phrase, right?

[covert rock]

yep vrcphysbone in the hierarchy search

[terse drum]

well.... there was 4 physbones referencing the same tail lol. and they all do the same frantic jiggle motion even if one is enabled. at soon as i deleted them all, the tail stopped moving lol.... aw no idk what went wrong but ig thats for another day

[obtuse lagoon]

do you guys know if its possible to put dynamic bones in a dress in vrchat?
I want to make a vrchat avatar with a dress like this, however if it’s static it’s not worth making
https://youtu.be/8lpjO_W24rc

[chilly magnet]

what is the difference between "parameter" and "parameter rotation" in a Radial Puppet control?

[floral linden]

Parameter activates a parameter when you open the radial puppet and only when you open it, parameter rotation is what you actually control by sliding the radial puppet

[chilly magnet]

ahhh, makes sense, thanks!

[terse drum]

it came back lmao, ahhh

[severe basin]

hello! I'm trying to figure out how particle systems work with avatars (this might be the wrong channel, I'm not sure) ; I have a particle system that plays a burst of feather particles when I toggle on a set of wings, and I only want it to play a single time when that toggle is enabled. Is there some way to do this with the animator or is scripting required?

[sacred kite]

have the particle active at the start and off at the end then make sure looping is off

[dark drift]

@severe basin you cannot script on the avatars. its always animator only. animate emission property

[severe basin]

theres... no scripting? at all? I've seen ways to enable and disable the renderer but no obvious way to start/stop particle playback

[dark drift]

Emission property. Yes theres no scripting at all. Animator+couple of bits vrc devs threw in (you dont need it in this case) https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/

[severe basin]

gotcha, okay

thank you, I'll see what I can do with this

[covert rock]

uncheck this in the particle system

[harsh storm]

:0

[glossy finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730948173379535022/1208866330795573350/image.png?ex=65e4d780&is=65d26280&hm=dcf9daf565217212a96cdf2e06f46dc2028d2a113b4b682a01ef9ef70b3e2230&

is there any way to fix this without deleting gameobjects?

[blazing quiver]

Does anyone know in particular if contact senders/receivers have a capped size, or if that's just visual in the SDK?

I'd made a system for an avatar I'm making that relies on a large contact receiver, but the visible size in the Unity scene is capped at a radius of 3, though the value allows me to set it higher, and I wanted to actually make sure whether or not that's a bug or intended, and that it doesn't become any larger than that.

[dark drift]

@blazing quiver i think it was 5m in diameter? its capped intentionaly. there was bug that negative values were uncapped and kinda worked tho, but it probably fixed

[blazing quiver]

That throws a wrench in what I was planning if so, oh well

all it really was is a gimmick of putting a low-pass filter on audio the further away you get from it

[dark drift]

you cannot do audio filters on avatar anyway🤷‍♂️

unless youre talking external software

but then itd be global

[keen sluice]

or multiple versions of the same audio

[brazen laurel]

If a contact is set to local only will it still impact the avatar rating ?

[covert rock]

it's 3m radius so 6m diameter

[covert rock]

yes

it's dumb but it just counts raw component count

sucks if you want to use things like haptic vests, especially as contacts are really cheap

[brazen laurel]

I use contacts for Haptic purpuses. There is no need to have anything rendered on the Remote Players side, i don't get why this would impact the ratings

[covert rock]

yeah i don't understand it either

[brazen laurel]

Only my game needs to know that a hand is close to the contact

dum dum rating system

[covert rock]

yup

really discourages you from actually optimizing your avatar if dumb things like this will then tank your perf rank xD

[brazen laurel]

I could have an excellent avatar and make it red just by adding haptic support on it

[covert rock]

when it would have zero impact on performance for others

and next to zero for you

[brazen laurel]

Also i have a game object toggle for enabling / disabling my contacts, does that need to be a synced parameter ? from what i think it will toggle on my side but not the others but since only my game is deciding if contacts are working for haptic i shouldn't need to make it synced ?

[covert rock]

nah, no need to sync that

[brazen laurel]

Also what is the difference between using Local Only Filtering and Self only or others ?

[covert rock]

local only means the contact is only rendered for the local avatar wearer

and allow self only allows you to interact with it

but it will still be rendered by remote clients

[brazen laurel]

But it will still impact rating

what's the point then

[covert rock]

there are some uses

[brazen laurel]

urgh

Thank you @covert rock

[next pond]

Is there any way to animate the length of a physbone (for its radius)? I'm just getting back in VRChat, trying to update my stuff to the new system.
My avatar has hair where the length can be changed with radial menu. But that obviously wont change the size of the bone moving the hair because it's a blendshape, which is fine. When the hair is short though, you can still move it by grabbing/touching where the long hair would have been. Is the physbone's radius locked to the length of the bone? Is there any workaround option I could take?

[covert rock]

You can’t animate physbone properties without disabling and re-enabling it after

Can’t you just scale the hair bones directly?

[next pond]

That would scale the hair itself as well, which causes weird scaling issues, something that uses a blendshape allows me to fix manually.
Unfortunate

[dark drift]

try two sets of physbones one working at a time?

[next pond]

Yeah, that's an option I suppose. Wouldn't be perfect, if you choose a medium hair length, for instance, but better.

[covert rock]

this would be a better option

you just have to toggle it off and back on when changing the size

[dark drift]

oh true, you can adjust curve for colllider size. i was thinking more about editing ignore transforms and you cant animate them

[next pond]

The curve for the hitbox of the physbone can't be shorter than the bone though, right?

[dark drift]

yes but if you have multiple bones you can remove last ones

well not remove but make them uninteractable

by settung radius to 0 via curve

[next pond]

Hmm, fair. I'll look into it

[finite roost]

I'm taking the _Angle from a physbone rotation and it gives me between 0 and 0.5 due to the angle limitation I have set up.
Now my question is, can I also output this float as a 0 - 1? Either directly by modifying settings from the physbone component, or through some kind of parameter driver?
What I need is:
physbone_Angle 0 to be otherFloat 0
physbone_Angle 0.25 to be otherFloat 0.5
physbone_Angle 0.5 (which is max at the moment) to be otherFloat 1
and everything in between, acting both like regular floats and not with jumps

[dark drift]

ye avatar param driver remap

tho wait, idk if it will work continuous🤷‍♂️

[pure mountain]

Is it feasible to have each group of hair tufts be separately dynamic (12) + chest + butt + ears = 18 dynamics

[finite roost]

someone suggested the maths module, which makes a lot of sense
But I'm also being told that physbone angle should be 0 - 1 based off it's max set angle?
I've never had this result and max angle always seems to be a 0.X for me

[dark drift]

@pure mountain on pc it wont make it a crasher, just why

[pure mountain]

Just checkin

[covert rock]

the angle param is only 1 when the bone is exactly 180° from its rest position

[pure mountain]

I can lower it to as little as 6 but I want tail dynamics so 7

[covert rock]

phybones are fairly optimized and perform quite well, so using more is not that much of all issue

[finite roost]

I can't increase the angle I'm using, so how could I convert the results I'm getting into a 0-1 float?

[dark drift]

@pure mountain according to justsleightly having many separate components versus one with same amount of affected transforms is extra 33% worst case

so i dont think its a big problem. physbones well optimised overall

[pure mountain]

Ive never messed with these but im assuming ill have to mess with weightpaints and add separate bones just for them ? On the rig

Or is the bonings done in-engine

[dark drift]

all manual

[pure mountain]

On the .blend?

[dark drift]

well, in bledner.

[pure mountain]

Ok ok ok good thanks

[dark drift]

rigging itself i mean. physbone component added in unity ofc

[severe basin]

so I've got this particle system on my avatar's chest bone and I want it to enable whenever a toggle is turned on, and play once and then never again unless the toggle is turned on

I can get it to play once, but only when the avatar is loaded, and then it never plays again and I have no idea how to achieve the effect I'm looking for

the animation clip menu doesn't seem to have an obvious way to start or stop a particle system, and I've been told you can't use scripting on avatars - how do I do this?

oop, this is probably the wrong channel - I'll repost in the help channel, sorry

[stiff glen]

What I'd do is put a keyframe in the animation which enables the particle system to disable it at some point when it's "probably" done. You can't really trigger an event when the particle system ends, though you can use Stop Action in the particle system set to Disable to turn off the game object it's on. But you'd probably have to be working with a WriteDefaults = off situation for that to work right... easier to just have an animation that's "long enough".

[severe basin]

I did end up figuring it out, I had to just put the particle system onto an empty object in the chest's hierarchy and then enable/disable the empty with the animation clip

thank you though

[stiff glen]

yep, that'll do it, glad you solved it 🙂

[terse drum]

so does anyone have like a graph for dynamic bones to vrc dynbones?

[stiff glen]

You can use the VRLabs "stub" dynamic bones package then the VRChat SDK has a conversion tool from Dynamic Bones to Physbones

[terse drum]

ok but like, what do i do if i want to use dynamic bones?

[sullen ledge]

you shouldn't since it's converted in game anyway by default

it's not going to match precisely, the conversion math isn't 1:1 perfect. It was just for the transition period

[stiff glen]

buy it and just upload the avatar with it, the game will convert it to physbones. Might not be ideal and you probably shouldn't really, but you can kinda

[terse drum]

ok but like, ive been battling this one tail. right? and if i use dynamic bones, it behaves, but even if i use nothing, they go monkey mode on me

[stiff glen]

probably I'd just use physbones and do it from scratch - most Dynamic Bones tails move WAY too much.

[terse drum]

idk man, it bahaved much better than this... idk maybe the tails cursed and i just need to like... see if creator can remake it or find out what im doing wrong from them

[stiff glen]

well what's wrong with it? too floppy? too stiff?

[pure mountain]

Would the bones intended for dynamics being highlighted green in the humanoid setup be an issue?

They arent supposed to be connected, in fact the bones are separate in blender, just connected by relation

The tail works as intended, aswell as the ears, as they dont have this issue, though I don't know what to do about these being connected

I know you can't dynamically affect things that are connected to the "Humanoid" setup, but these bones aren't / shouldn't be

[stiff glen]

the vrchat rig setup and IK will just ignore those

[pure mountain]

Anyway to forcefully separate them from the humanoid rig without adding filler bones?

[stiff glen]

I mean, they'll move along with the parent though, so that might not be desired

In Blender, sure 🙂

[pure mountain]

Oh just remove the parent relation?

They ought to move along with the parent though, the tail has the same setup aswell as the ears yet they don't have this issu

[stiff glen]

really depends what your ultimate goal is.

[pure mountain]

need 2 animate the tufts of hair ideally

[stiff glen]

.. and how they're painted and connected and such. Likely you want them to move with the parent

but possibly they'd move better with constraints to make them move as a blend between two others, you'd have to see what they actually do I guess

[pure mountain]

I'll try shoving an empty in there, then maybe the humanoid wont pick it up

Or maybe i can just set up my own thing might work I'll try them and see if it gets me anywhere

[pure mountain]

Does anyone have any answers for this? I tried inserting empties but it didnt work, I'm really not sure why its including these bones. Here's the rig in blender.

As you can see those bones are all connected to the Chest, but only by relation.

[terse drum]

the tail like... "Explodes" if theres a physbone component near it, like even if theres no physbones tied to it, the tail literally explodes. dynamic bones used and its all good, wiggles as usual and everything

sorry, im not a vrchat creator by heart, i do normie-unity stuff so like... maybe im literally using the physbones wrong

[pure mountain]

Fixed - required an additional bone to be put before each 'dynamic' bone

[stiff glen]

Could you show us a pic of the bone chain and the physbone component you're using?

[frigid tinsel]

It seems with the new SDK for some reason just breaks dynamics entirely. Then it just errors out in play mode.

[sullen ledge]

Are you referring to the editor immediately pausing itself when going into play mode?

for that, just disable "error pause" in the console

[fair sundial]

helpful

[sacred kite]

I never thought of it that way

[severe kite]

I have a physbone with one segment in it (bone => bone_end). Using either integration type, I set all values to zero except for gravity, but nothing happens. I can drag the avatar around in Unity and the bone will react to momentum, but that's all it does. Gravity says it will pull bones down when >0, and it is very clearly not doing this even when set to 1. It just stays put.

Is this a bug, or a mistake in documentation?

Looks like a bug, pull has to be greater than about 0.01 for it to work. Pull says it tries to return it to the rest position, which isn't what I want, but I guess that's how I fix this

Unless "Rest position" doesn't mean the original transform and instead means the current rest position as controlled by physics, which makes some amount of sense

Yeah that seems more sensible

[boreal walrus]

Apologies for pinging if you don't want me to, just ask and I'll leave you alone!
I'm looking to setup some particle systems. I've noticed that you make particle systems and I have a simple enough question. What is the best way to test particles that require motion? @tardy perch

I would DM and ask, but I feel like it'd be better to have information here for others who'd like to know as well in the rare case.

[tardy perch]

If you mean motion like player walking or running I'd recommend uploading the avatar. If you just wanna see how it looks if you move a bit. You could just go into play mode and wiggle your avatar a little back and forth

[tardy perch]

Don't know if that's what you're asking

[boreal walrus]

I need to figure out is how to setup many sound emitters. In Unity dev I would just make an array with sound paths and swap during runtime, any ideas on how to do something similar with the Contacts they're?

[boreal walrus]

It was, thank you!

[glossy finch]

why is the SDK lying to me?

and blocking my upload like an idiot

[sullen ledge]

day late, but validation errors are from things added during the build process. Mainly VRCFury or Modular Avatar can be the culprit here

[glossy finch]

yeah ive never liked vrcfury, but unfortunately have to have it

unfortunately the people writing the vrchat sdk aren't very clever, so there's no way of knowing what got added

[sullen ledge]

what're you adding through VRCFury?

[simple elk]

thats vrcfury for you, av good in unity - very poor after in vrchat (certain one that add alot of contacts ) not sdk fault

[glossy finch]

any avatar that has any amount of lights in it is automatically very poor

[simple elk]

you can test this in playmode to see how many it actually adds

[glossy finch]

which is why avatar ratings are a joke and are ignored by everyone

[sullen ledge]

VRChat should definitely differentiate light types, that is true. They've been procrastinating that for a while

[glossy finch]

it also doesnt care if everything is toggled off, auto very poor

anything not a quest avatar is very poor

ratings aren't useful to anyone

test this in playmode

this seems like an interesting idea

[glossy finch]

tried it, same components

Contact Component Count: 50 (Maximum: 16, Recommended: 2) - This avatar has too many VRCContact components. All VRCContact components will be removed at runtime.
i wonder if the idiot that wrote this error message was the same idiot that decided to block the avatar build completely, or if those were 2 separate operations by 2 separate idiots

[sullen ledge]

what file are you searching through? I'm assuming this is the editor.log file and you using VRCFury's "List all components" feature. Make sure this setting is enabled in VRCFury (If your menu format doesn't look like this, update VRCFury through VCC), then search t:VRCContactReciever then t:VRCContactSender when in play mode

[glossy finch]

yep, that helped

i had it turned off because i wanted to minimize the impact of vrcfury screwing around with my stuff

[covert rock]

you're asking vrcfury to add all those things :P

its like taking a drill to your wall then complaining that the drill made holes in it

[ruby goblet]

anyone know how to fix bounding box not showing up?, I'm trying to edit the bounding box on the avi but every single piece of mesh for some reason doesn't seem to have a bounding box?. I even tried recentering the bounding box to 0 but that didn't do anything

[stiff glen]

turn on gizmos?

(little planet-looking thing in the upper right of the Scene view)

[ruby goblet]

gizmos are on

I imported a new version of the fbx since I wanted to change some thing's, and the new fbx just doesn't have and bounding boxes but the old one I can still see and edit fine

[stiff glen]

weird

[late crest]

Anyone know how the fuck can I make a particle system like that

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-shinji-ikari-angel-unit01-gif-24440979

[stiff glen]

there's a lot of animated stuff there

[late crest]

sure is, i know how to dissolve the arm

idk how to have the polygons appear like that lol...

[stiff glen]

Yeah that'll be tricky to do

[late crest]

damn i mean this exists

https://meta-monkeys.booth.pm/items/3548242

[stiff glen]

yeah, I'm sure you'd be using mesh particles but scaling them up is going to be the fun part

[late crest]

oh boy, i dont even know how to properly scale meshes in animations lol

[stiff glen]

well you can scale a particle over time, with a curve even, but that just seems really fiddly to do

[late crest]

although i COULD use a simple cube mesh, stretch it, rotate it, and yoink sploink it in an animation in unity

[stiff glen]

yep

[late crest]

but unity doesnt work like blender, so making the cube effects around the arm look symetrical will be a nightmare

[keen sluice]

Not really

[late crest]

how so?

there isnt a symetrize tool that exists, at least to my knowledge..

[keen sluice]

assuming you wont do any more special rotation besides 1 axis to do the visual the other axis would be easy to mirror as then itd just be the negative value of the other

[late crest]

i guess, but theres also the fact that the arms of an avatar when animating are always at an angle that isnt straight...

[keen sluice]

use the transform in the inspector tab

thatll do the local rotation so you can easily just set the objects as the negative value

[late crest]

oh i guess i couldve done that

but wont it be exhausting?

[keen sluice]

not really

[late crest]

i mean im the guy who prefers to rotate things manually

[keen sluice]

youd just have all the cubes you need

[late crest]

but doing it localy could save me some slack...

[keen sluice]

then while all of them are selected

change the rotation in the transform component

which applies it to all of them

[late crest]

all of them selected??

i know what u mean

but am i not trying to make them come out from different sides??

[keen sluice]

that you just do separately since the position and rotation can be animated separately

[late crest]

ik

alr alr ill do the animation now

goofiest animation tbh lol

i wish i could make it stationary somehow without parenting the cubes to the arm

but

idk how to do that without making it wonky

eh doesnt matter

wait

is there not a way i can copy the rotation data of an object to the other?

i know ctrl c ctrl v exists but isnt there another way?

[keen sluice]

right click copy
right click paste

[late crest]

ye but that would copy all the other rotations, to the ones that had different initial rotation-

damn

ah doesnt matter...

ill be back in a couple hours lol

[late crest]

should i make the cubes at the beginning asymmetrical?

or would it look better if they all moved and were scaled the same?

[keen sluice]

all the same then after rotate them to make the ring

[late crest]

its looking pretty good so far

however, copying the transform data over and over and modifying it is taking way too long

is there a way i can copy an object while saving its key frames

so i can just modify the transforms of the objects already done?

[late crest]

holy fuck im "done" the animation finally

[late crest]

sorry for the quality, i swear my pc isnt bad like that, i was just recording at a low rez

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-shinji-ikari-angel-unit01-gif-24440979

[stiff glen]

oh wow that looks great

[late crest]

ay ty

[stiff glen]

I honestly didn't expect you to get this close so fast

[late crest]

lol i mean it did take me a couple hours

[stiff glen]

oh I know

[late crest]

and im still not quite done yet..

[stiff glen]

can't wait 🙂

seriously, this is cool

[late crest]

thanks!

[late crest]

i added particles

[covert rock]

looks really cool!

[late crest]

ay thank you thank you!!

[late crest]

also i got a question: what should i be worrying about when doing an animation like this?

[stiff glen]

using too much of everyone else's VRAM 🙂

[late crest]

how would i avoid that lol

[stiff glen]

don't make a billion mesh particles with large textures on them

[late crest]

is it just mesh, or the amount of transform keyframes too

[stiff glen]

yes

🙂

[late crest]

damn

[stiff glen]

basically you're making someone else's computer work harder. don't overdo it and it's probably fine for an occasional toy

[late crest]

tbh im just making this avatar to flex lol

[stiff glen]

you might consider going WAY overboard then 🙂

[late crest]

no way is it gonna be for oculus, you can forget completely optimization

[stiff glen]

and then just be careful when you show it off

[late crest]

i see

[noble pollen]

is there any way to make so that activating the fly in the go loco menu activates the wing flapping animation of the bts wings prefab? i already have go logo and the animation for the wings

[covert rock]

find out which parameter is being used when fly is active and use that to activate the wing flap animation

[summer swan]

is there a way to have an avatar with the whole body having physbones and still being able to control the arms and head?

[pearl ingot]

What's the easiest way to get eye look direction within a controller

[keen sluice]

have a second set of the same bones that are meant for the physbones

[summer swan]

like copy the armature then give it physbones?

[keen sluice]

not entirely because then one armature is just tposing while the other isnt

[summer swan]

so how would i create a second set of the bones?

[keen sluice]

you would need to constrain it so it can also follow your humanoid armature

while still being affected by physbones

[ruby goblet]

is there a way to fix chairs' on an avi's so it doesn't make the recipient pose in the sitting animation from the avi's hip height but not from where the chair is located?

[summer swan]

sorry to keep asking questions but how do i constrain it to it?

[keen sluice]

constraints

[noble pollen]

hey do you know how to set custom animations for the goloco fly?

[noble pollen]

^

[covert rock]

#avatar-dynamics message

[chilly magnet]

I've got a phys bone with several children, and 'multi child type' set to 'average', but when I grab and move the children, the root doesn't move at all?

ok I just noticed that the root DOES respond to the squish and stretch of the children, but not the rotation

[keen sluice]

its just like setting animations for everything else

[ruby goblet]

I'm making a chair on this titan fall avi, but I'm running into the issue where whenever someone sit's in the chair it seems to make them sit in the chair at there standing height, but in the sitting animation. Is there an animation controller that could fix this issue?

[stiff glen]

stuff i've read recently makes me think this behavior is a bug in the current vrchat

[noble pollen]

so how? i have an animation for the wings and i would like to make so activating flight makes the wings move bu i haven't found how on yt, idk where to ask

[noble pollen]

ty for linking it #avatar-dynamics message

[keen sluice]

Check the menu for what parameter was used and just make a new tab in the fx layer and set the animation that uses the same parameter

Changing the actual animation would break it more often than not

[covert rock]

i linked my reply to your question 🙂

[noble pollen]

how do i find the menu?

i've been looking, it's not on the avatar that is in the scene

[keen sluice]

the avatar descriptor just go through the menus till you find it

because either you have goloco on the avatar and its in the expression menus or its not on the avatar

[noble pollen]

it's not in the avatar, it's like placing a turbo on top of a car and every time you manifacture the car the turbo gets automatically mounted in the car

in this case goloco is in its folder but it gets mounted by vrcfury only when publishing it

[noble pollen]

the only thing i found is this and i replaced with the wings flapping animation but nothing changes

[late crest]

Sorry but wtf are blendtrees????

[stiff glen]

a "tree" of animation states that blend between states

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/class-BlendTree.html

[civic pebble]

How would i do something like this and make it interactable? I tried physbones with constraints on the red part but it didn't seem to work. In blender you could write your own driver expressions, is something like that possible in unity?

[stiff glen]

ooh that's done well. On an avatar though, you'd have to animate this, you could use bones, but it might be easier to just make it a blendshape

iirc you can't really setup constraints in a way that'd make this work nicely

[civic pebble]

anyway to partially play the animation when pulling the thing back tho? like pulling it back and holding it there?

[stiff glen]

yeah you should be able to do that with a float value and a blendtree

[civic pebble]

ok thx 🙂

[covert rock]

you can add some empty gameobjects with a phys bone component

which you can then grab and stretch

physbones can output their stretch as a float parameter, which you can then use to drive the animation/blend tree

[late crest]

wouldnt it be difficult if not almost impossible to keep the red part where It's supposed to be tho?

i mean if its an animation, that could work

[civic pebble]

animated the the blue and green parts with like 10 keyframes then just used a rotation constraint on the red part to keep it straight

did the physbone thing on the green part with the dynamic bona parameter setup thingy seems to work

[covert rock]

if you can, avoid using constraints

they perform rather poorly and are not supported on quest

[civic pebble]

My avatar is not supported for quest anyway got it to work without constraints

[clever jetty]

Personally for something like this I'd animate the actual movement. i.e. First frame is down, final frame is fully pulled back. Then set up a driver physbone in the same location with empty objects, 0 angle, and some stretch. Then read the stretch value on the physbone and use that as the motion time on the animation.

But it sounds like you already got it working and if it works the way you want it to I'd say don't change it

[finite roost]

Trying to make physbones for a halo. I want it to bounce up and down though ideally not hinge up and down. Can I get movement to affect stretch or something like that?

[dark drift]

probly easiest would be realively long > shaped bones, then angular movement wont be that noticeable. dont make them too long tho cause jitter

[fluid jungle]

how do I make a physbone to pull a bow string or a slingshot back

I tried max stretch 5 and grab movement 1 and immobile 1 but it doesnt pull when I grab it

[dark drift]

you cant have two-point connection with physbones alone, for a bow an animation+invisible physbone in the middle that just controls stretch parameter (as motion time) probly is the way

[fluid jungle]

sorry I dont understand

Ive used physbone for pulling before but forgot what settings I had

[dark drift]

collider size>0? still, it wont keep both ends connected.

[fluid jungle]

yeah but i wanna be able to pull it around in any direction

[dark drift]

tho now when i think about it with the right weightpainting its doable without animation since the string is always straight

unlike chains

[fluid jungle]

yeah it is good weightpainted

its the same slingshot ive used for other stuff just that was long long ago and I dont have the settings saved

I know I only did it with physbone

I just dont know what I am doing wrong it is not moving at all when grabbed and dragged

[dark drift]

distance between root of physbone and its end should be >0 ie gizmo should look like a sausage

[clever jetty]

Does it move in unity when you move the bones around?

[fluid jungle]

well yeah it is weightpainted correctly

it just wobbles in play mode or vrchat

not moving when the physbone is pulled

[fluid jungle]

i dont really understand this

[clever jetty]

Ok, just making sure since this part made it sound like it was exported from your 3d program incorrectly

[fluid jungle]

yeah

Ive been making for a good while now its just I havent used the physbone settings for a slingshot in ages

[clever jetty]

Have you tried it with an endpoint pos set to all 0

[fluid jungle]

I changed it now to 0

should I try it again?

[dark drift]

make collision radius as curve so you can only grab the end?

[clever jetty]

Cause this looks a little odd, like it's doubling back on itself

[fluid jungle]

like this?

or more curved

[dark drift]

ye smth like this

[fluid jungle]

it wont curve anymore than this

[dark drift]

try

[fluid jungle]

was it the end point 0.1 the reason why it was broken you think

ill try it then

[clever jetty]

Also, when testing in vrc make sure to use the physbone overlay in the radial settings menu if you aren't already. Will help you see how the physbone reacts

[fluid jungle]

alright will do

ill reply when i am done testing it to update

[fluid jungle]

alright the physbone is pulling and stretching but the slingshot isnt moving just rotating in place when I grab it

is it because of immobile or something?

it wasnt immobile just tested it without it on

so it moves fine but dont wanna get pulled bruh

[stuck bane]

If you want it to be a sphere then bring the leftmost node in the curve editor over to the right. Make sure it's more than halfway.

[quasi thicket]

Anybody know how to fix PhysBones for jiggle physics? it works in normal unity, but is broken in both playmode or in game, after it is uploaded.
And is there a way to make the phys bones a better shape + better position?

[calm owl]

All the hand colliders are there by default, listing them again is redundant. And to better fit them, ignore the end bone than use endpoint position right under ignore to better define where the center mass is

And you have bones with the same name a few times, this will cause some odd behavior

[quasi thicket]

@calm owl the hand coliders for some reason get added automatically when i enter playmode, also what do i change in endpoint?

[quasi thicket]

i also attempt to change bone names but it still seems to have the same issue as before

[uneven thorn]

you're using gesture manager, which doesn't allow you to move bones unless you've clicked "pose mode" in their menu

grab the root of the avatar and shake it a lil to see the physics working ^^b

while in playmode

[uneven thorn]

but also regardless because they're physbones, you cant move them with the move tool unless "is animated" is ticked iirc.

[quasi thicket]

Im using avatar 3.0 emulator but i disabled it to test again, and it still doesnt work. i even uploaded the avatar and tested it in game and it didnt work. also I enabled "is animated" but it still happens, and the tail, and hair move just fine, and i added the physbones too them the same as i added them too the boobs, but they wont move.

[uneven thorn]

do you have a video of it not working ingame?

[quasi thicket]

i do not, but gimme just a moment to finish my level and i'll record a video for you ^-^

[simple elk]

if its one bone, add endpoint

[quasi thicket]

its 2 bones

[quasi thicket]

Heres a picture of the descriptor, and heres the video of me testing the avatar in game.

the picture of the avatar descriptor was right before i loaded in to take the video, to show that it isnt working.

apologies for taking so long to get the video, level lasted a minute. @uneven thorn

[uneven thorn]

weird.. im stumped

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi thicket]

yeah i have no idea, i never had this issue with an avatar before. so im at a complete loss haha

[stiff glen]

your avatar scaling seems wonky with the collision radius so small and 46 physbone components is a lot but otherwise what are we testing here? Lack of physbones affecting the breasts?

oh I should scroll up, that for sure. is that the current physbone here? #avatar-dynamics message

angle limiter seems a lot higher than I use on boobs, more like 25-30.

it'd help to see what the physbone looks like in the editor

[short kestrel]

So, am I missing something here, or are the PhysBones doing the exact opposite of what they're supposed to? This isn't how weight and momentum work. Is there something wrong with my bones or something?

[stiff glen]

yeah that's wrong. how's the bone setup though? roll may be upside down?

[short kestrel]

Hmm! It seems that the root bone and the end bone are swapped somehow...

They're goin' the wrong way!

Lemme see what I can do

[stiff glen]

ooh that'll do it

[quasi thicket]

i only increased the angle that high too test to see maybe if the limiter was stopping it from moving. but yes thats the current settings. but if it works i'd lower limiter to around 20-25

and what do you mean by see the physbone in the editor?

[stiff glen]

enable gizmos, in the unity scene mode, click that physbone (or well the root bone) and screenshot it

[quasi thicket]

alright give me just a moment to load it up :)

here you go, sorry the avatars all black, lowered the brightness so the bones were visable

[stiff glen]

hmm that looks totally reasonable.

[quasi thicket]

i've worked on avatars for maybe 2-3 years. never had issues adding phys bones for butt boobs or hair, now all of the sudden these are having so many issues. cant get a decent positioning and size of the bone, nor get them to move the boob/have interacts

its makes no sense to me thats why i was hopin maybe i could get some help here lol

[stiff glen]

yeah I don't see anything very weird

[quasi thicket]

i have a slight feeling it could possibly be the avatar base that im using, if so i might contact the creator to see if they know, but just wanna see if i can possibly get it fixed before i go bother em

[spice pecan]

So a physbone parameter changes when its moving the avatar but not on its rotation, its "jiggling" But in reality the physbone isnt rotating at all

[torn tendon]

I'm having issues with "on enter" contacts recievers not getting tripped consistently or at all I have it set up right and the min velocity is low it just only seems to work in weird spots or it wont activate at all

[random cipher]

Okay so I understand this is a very strange use for Physbones, but I'm attempting to make a system that allows for picking up a player's model.(Just the model, not the whole player object which I believe to be impossible with what we have.) So far I've been able to make a Physbone that controls a grabbable point, and that point is the parent of three other Physbones with Stretch and Squish set to 1, and with different variables set to read those Floats. I've gotten the Floats to move the player model via Additive Root Translation animations, but the floats only go to about 0.135~ when the point is moved in Play mode. So it's reading the movement, but it seems to be limited by some variable I can't figure out... Just throwing this out here in case anyone has any ideas!

Configs for Anchor Physbone and the X, Y, Z positional Physbones

[stuck bane]

how are you setting max stretch to infinity?

that could be the issue

because iirc the stretch parameters are based on percentage of max stretch

[random cipher]

Type in "inf" in the Stretch box

[stuck bane]

it would work practicaly the same if you had it set to a large number right?

[random cipher]

The XYZPos are what I'm reading the Floats from, so that shouldn't be the issue

But I'll try that

[stuck bane]

that's true

i think i might be a little confused on how you're doing this because i've tried stuff like this before and never fully gotten it working

i just don't know how you're separating the X, Y, and Z physbones to get the positions from

[random cipher]

If you don't mind, can I add you as a friend and do a quick screen share? Lots of moving parts and stuff.

[stuck bane]

sure ^^

[foggy skiff]

I've been able to find a sdk plugin script that is able to automatically create and set up this exact thing. I've been messing around with it myself, trying to esoterically link the camera to the movement of the model as well. I can link you it if you'd like.

[random cipher]

Is it quest compatible? If so, then yes please!

[foggy skiff]

Unsure if it is quest compatible, but from initial looks, it doesn't do anything that wouldn't be compatible.
https://booth.pm/en/items/3910550?registration=1

dont worry, it's free to download.

[random cipher]

I'll try it out, thanks!

Unfortuantely, this seems to use Position Constraints and won't be compatible with Android uploads... Thanks though!

[foggy skiff]

rip. That's unfortunate. Sorry.

[stuck bane]

if you do get this working, i'm curious if you can use either stations or temporary pose space to move the player around?

[random cipher]

Ohh, I didn't think about stations... maybe!

As far as I can tell, Temporary Pose Space is mostly for vertical repositioning.

And while you CAN spam a couple empty animation states to update it, it's probably not the best idea because of how jittery it would be.

[loud abyss]

random question of the day: The fact that this layer (first or unique layer) under Action Playable Layer, is greyed out, does that mean that is 0 ? Greyed out + 0 ?

[sullen ledge]

the first animator layer is forced to be the weight of 1

[loud abyss]

that is confusing because documentation makes me understand the oposite?

I quote: "The Action Playable layer will use this State Behavior often, as the Action layer has weight zero by default, and should always be blended back to zero after the animation is complete."

[sullen ledge]

can you link the source of that

[loud abyss]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#playable-layer-control

[sullen ledge]

Animator Layer is different from Playable Layer

VRChat merges all the playable layers into one in game essentially so it'll have a weight

[loud abyss]

on runtime? Does that mean when testing with Gesture Manager, is also 1 layer?

[prime coral]

its been MONTHS since I used unity, this is my first time trying physbones, I was here when dynamic were the ones, somehow at first they collide, then just clip, any suggestion?

[stuck bane]

it cold be the physbones go around the colliders. It may be smart to reduce your collision count though, that looks very performance heavy

[prime coral]

Yea its meant for private worlds so I dont really take performance into consideration, but is it related to the physbones going around colliders? Like if that the reason then I must change it lol

[stuck bane]

that's what's always been my problem. I usually solve it by making the collider radius bigger

[prime coral]

havent got it solved💀

but still appreciate it thx thx

[tepid rain]

Anyone know why this won't stretch?

Never mind, figured it out. When stretched, bones aren't scaled, their positions are moved. I had to move the weight paint to the leaf bones.

[fallow nacelle]

okay so i know i already posted this in the #avatar-quest channel but i'm not entirely sure where this belongs, but...
how come whenever i add "ignore transforms" or "immobilize" on physbones for quest, they no longer render?? like, the physbones get removed completely. despite these methods being used to "optimize" physbones...

[random cipher]

Ignore Transforms tells the Physbone component to not factor in any of the transforms including and past that GameObject, and Immobile causes that Physbone not to factor in any movement from the transform it is attached to, typically leading to no movement in general.

Honestly my personal best way to optimize Physbones is just to figure out which compenents I don't REALLY need and remove them.

[fallow nacelle]

it's not that many physbones to begin with.

but it still does that

[fallow herald]

So I've been stuck on this for a while... not sure if it's actually possible aha, but I'm trying to make a contact receiver on my avatar that ONLY triggers an animation for the person touching it.
I've tried using some local-only recievers and non-synced parameters, but the best I've gotten is an effect that plays for everyone in the lobby and not for me. I'm trying to make it only work for the person touching the zone! I know I'm close on this, but a little nudge in the right direction would be nice c:

[spice pecan]

Ok, I have this physbone On a Physbone with a Angle parameter, as I walk the parameter jitters based on the direction but the physbone visually doesn't rotate, How can I fix this?

[dark drift]

jitter/wrong reported angle value is a thing. i dont know the reasons/never got an answer/fix, what i did to kinda resolve it is to use sender/proximity reciever (on and outside of physbone) to get somewhat similar data

[spice pecan]

Ok, Thank you!

[warped vapor]

Hi everybody. I'm facing a very serious problem in the MMD worlds. Eye tracking is constantly turned on during the dance. I don't need it. Does anyone know how to disable eye tracking in the MMD world while dancing?

[ruby goblet]

Is there any possible way to fix the legs in unity?, or would it be an issue that can only be fixed in blender

the leg's bend more and more out the lower I go up until the sitting animation

[simple elk]

blender , straighten them or get bowlegged

[sacred kite]

make sure your knees bend slightly forward in blender

[ruby goblet]

sigh... was hoping I didn't have to take it back into blender lol but it is what it is ig

[sacred kite]

i feel that on a personal level lol

[ruby goblet]

it's fixed...

but it cost me my sanity

I shall rest now

[terse drum]

what is the update rate for physbones?

[dark drift]

probly like everything else, every frame locally, up to 10hz remote

[terse drum]

oh

[split perch]

Can anyone tell me why my ears move this way with physbones? This is with side to side movement, they appear like zig zags instead of move nicely

[grave hearth]

Anyone know how to fix this phys bone collider radius issue?
When I set it up it was normal but somehow it has now flipped 180 degree and is inside the hip

[simple elk]

check blender , bone should be halway inside a 'circle'

[celest pasture]

I've got a fresh challenge! So, physbones...

Lets say I have a bone chain coming off of the players head. They can waggle about and the bones respond accordingly.

Now, I take the same bone chain, and toggle on a parent constraint to move it to the player's hand/foot/butt/etc... It continues to waggle, but the movement is always relative to the head rather than it's new position/rotation.

Has anyone done something like this and/or solved that issue?

[sage tide]

have you tried resetting the physbone (turning the component off briefly and then back on in an animation) after you move the bone's position? currently testing and i have found this does nothing actually

[celest pasture]

yep, I tried that -- handy for modifying jiggle physics when scaling, but it doesn't seem to fix relativity.

[sage tide]

i think i have found a solution, one moment

[celest pasture]

oh man... this seems crazy, but what if, in addition to moving the bone chain, I tack a rotation constraint for force the head bone to match the new position.. XD

~testing

[sage tide]

the solution seems pretty simple actually - you put the physbone UNDER a gameobject with a position constraint

[celest pasture]

in your example, does it continue to work if the game object it snaps to is oriented differently at the start?

(looks like they have the same rotation there)

[sage tide]

seems like it! i slightly modified my setup to make it more convenient

empty gameobject (so you can move and rotate it) -> empty gameobject with constraint -> start of physbone chain

[celest pasture]

interesting...

basically just one extra bone between the head (in my case) and the physbone chain; so the bone that moves isn't the one with the phys script on it.

Thanks for sussing that out. 👍

[sage tide]

ya! physbones and constraints are pretty weird to work with

[sage tide]

it might be best to move the bone from the head to your avatar root preferably (or hips if thats not possible) because physbones still get affected by their parent even when constrained
and instead use the parent constraint to constrain it to the head by default

usually its not *that* noticeable from what ive seen, but it is definitely something you can see if youre looking for it

[celest pasture]

My goal is to do a hand puppet toggle without having separate meshes -- the default state is on the head/chest. I don't know if this'll work well, but with the new headchop script, I'm closer than ever

[celest pasture]

I'm realizing my setup may be to complex for this...

I have to animate a series of constraints to send a puppet.chest bone to a puppet.head bone.chest.target, then that puppet.head bone to a wrist target; each under a different thing in the hierarchy.

that much works okay, but the constraint zero positions don't seem to reset going in and out of the animation. I'm sure I could sort that out with some pos/rot keyframing, but the original issue persists when I don't have this set up under a single parent

for context, the puppet head/chest are under their respective humanoid bones.

the physbone is on Puppet.Body.000... hmm... maybe I can get it to work relative to Puppet.Chest...

[celest pasture]

hek, I found my issue -- chest > body > physbone wouldn't work if chest was being constrainted

evidentally, it must be the direct parent

so I got rid of puppet.chest and just have puppet.body (with constraint) and then 000 with it's physbone

a'ight -- I have a version that seems to work, but doesn't reset position/rotation when turning off the constraints. If I can figure that out, this'll work 👍

aaand solved, just needed to turn that constraint on outside of the keyframed stuff.

[frigid slate]

Hello, i hope you're all doing great, can someone help me understand why the physbone on the tail make it go crazy like that ?
It's connected to the hips on blender too.
Thank you in advance.

[frigid slate]

Fixed
For some unknow reason the bones were trolling me, after clearing parent, apply with automatic weight again it work.

[frigid thistle]

would it be possible to remove 3 or 4 physbone transforms from wings?

[covert rock]

put them in the ignore transforms field

[frigid thistle]

thxxx

[frigid thistle]

also can you help w emmision changes?

[covert rock]

how so?

[frigid thistle]

like changes the emmision colour constantly

likefrom blue to purple

[covert rock]

sounds like something is animating it

[frigid thistle]

i think its an animation got any clue?/

[covert rock]

no, i can't see your animator/project

you'll have to find that in one of your animators

[inland stirrup]

Not sure where to go, cause this is an avatar issue, with physbones, using a tool that.... is originally for worlds. It's a cross topic problem, apparently.

I'm curious if you can simply... Just change Network ID's yourself? The tool, when I bring in the exported ID's from the PC avatar to use on the quest and the minute I try to select the Loaded ID to sort the conflict?

"Object reference not set to an instance of an object", clears my network ID list on the quest version and throws that error, over and over until I clear ID's of the avatar or regenerate them.

this happens even if I clear them, import the PC network ID's, ignore what I don't need and click "Accept All" for what's left.

Basically, any time I try and go "Okay, Quest version, use these network ID's" that error throws, not matter what I pick. Smh, all I wanna do is sync up physbones, cross platform, even though they differ. If you don't stop it, the error throws as often as it can while the tool is running!