ik-2

[patent root]

👀

i think anything that had dynamic bone toggle on gesture went borky bork

[ruby cloud]

Is the tongue physics stuck on?

[hallow raven]

my phys bone hairs are stiff in the IK beta, but in the normal game, they do work.

[patent root]

yeah lol

[strong sundial]

That's because the IK-Beta hasn't been updated to support AD yet. It's being worked on rn, hold your horses

[ruby cloud]

It might just require updating a animation. I'll find out when I get home after work

[split plinth]

ye

[misty fulcrum]

I need to see this

[patent root]

just change into any rex avatar with dynamic bone conversion enabled lol

[untold schooner]

is the ik beta no longer copatble with the stable build?

[trim fox]

nope Kung is working on it

[spiral mesa]

when ik fix, update poop

[trim fox]

Legacy IK for now

[untold schooner]

oh so it should be fixed soon?

[trim fox]

Avatar dynamics just dropped Chimp

are you sure?

[untold schooner]

im not a fan of old ik

[trim fox]

Soon probably

can be tomorrow can be 2 days

for now you need endure IK Legacy

[spiral mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-you-adam-sandler-gif-14612875

[muted yarrow]

Oh shit its Cyber, big fun <3

[dusk oak]

Hope its soon as well. Currently using driver4vr to spoof my second controller while Meta is taking their SWEET AS TIME fixing it. My spoof doesnt work on the old IK tho. Looks like im doing a permanent nazi salute which i am very much not a fan of

[spiral mesa]

no more 10 point tracking

boo

[trim fox]

bruh can't you wait 2 days

Kung is like working even in sleep

[muted yarrow]

I mean there is still IK-tweaks

[trim fox]

It probably gonna be faster than 2 days

[dusk oak]

Just glad to hear that merging of AD and IK-Beta is being worked on

[icy ferry]

that's a mod and isn't allowed

[muted yarrow]

Oh , apologies

[ancient geode]

likly broken anyway

[icy ferry]

all good!! just wanted to be sure that people are aware. there's a lot of misinformation about that so it's always good to let people know.

[ionic heron]

note that there's no such thing as a permitted or whitelisted mod, despite what some might say - #faq covers it pretty well c:

[muted yarrow]

Yeah i heard, didn't quite know what was and wasn't allowed so ill assume all mods then

[icy ferry]

yes, all mods are banned.

[trim fox]

everything that uses loader is bannable

[muted yarrow]

Okie , sr for bringing it up

[icy ferry]

it's all good. just wanted to clarify it since there is so much misinfo spread.

[muted yarrow]

Yeah i getcha

[prisma zealot]

is there a download for this new live version [hys bone

[low storm]

It should automatically update in Steam and Oculus with the new version..

[muted yarrow]

I know IK2 is not compatible with the live build but i can still hang with people who are running the beta as well right ?

[lethal bridge]

of course

[muted yarrow]

Oh thank god

Okie thx for the help <3

[carmine gate]

Kung is working on it

it will be made compatible again soon

[muted yarrow]

It will be soon from what i'v heard

Just not rn

[hearty terrace]

thank god

[hot fulcrum]

QCA in progress...

[upbeat dew]

The latest IK-Beta is now having weird behaviour using one slimeVR/owoTrack as a hip tracker, is it a known issue? been trying to look through this channel but the loads of "when ik-beta will be live-compatible" makes this kinda hard to track lol

[oak pendant]

Yeah, will be pretty soon, I have a working-ish version, but need to check some things

[hearty terrace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833406450091950081/966117999478177802/oVBosVGU-1.gif

[oak pendant]

not knowns as far as I know, but you can check the canny, I haven't looked there in last few hours, just been working on this merge

ok back to work, zug zug

[upbeat dew]

👍 take your time

and thank you for everything 🙏

[prisma zealot]

no I mean the sdk

[ornate orchid]

hello! I have the oculus quest 2 with vrc, but when I open the app and click on versions I don't have the option to change it to live beta. I've restarted the oculus, restarted my phone, and uninstalled and reinstalled the app multiple times. Anyone know what I need to do?

[ancient geode]

its not a beta justset it to live

[past spruce]

also IK beta is Steam only

[ornate orchid]

Ah. Alrighty.
Thank you 😅

[ancient geode]

it should put you automaticaly on live if you reinstalled as the open beta closed

[strong wasp]

will IK be receiving an update to stay compatible with the Live version?

[high nest]

Kung is working on it literally right now

[strong wasp]

oh

[carmine gate]

omg read above

people being told to read above

[strong wasp]

I literally just asked that... 🤦

[tame pewter]

[carmine gate]

kung should just post "Im working on making it work with live. dont ask" and then lock this channel from being writable by anyone until its updated

[tame pewter]

pff

[strong wasp]

that wouldnt be a bad idea...

but it would also stop people from being able to discuss bugs in the mean time

[tiny mortar]

.-.

[lethal bridge]

should petition for a "praise Kung" emote here 🤔

[tame pewter]

and a headpat emote

it’s the official vrchat discord, and there’s no headpat emote

[tame pewter]

[hot quest]

Why did they remove open beta when quest players don’t have beta live

[strong wasp]

wdym, IK 2 beta is only on steam?

[hot quest]

I know but quest players can’t go on open beta they removed it

[strong wasp]

because its live now for everyone

I assume you mean the Avatar Dynamics beta?

[hot quest]

Yea

[strong wasp]

yea its live for everyone

[hot quest]

Ok

[dreamy epoch]

Is an IK beta update coming out that is compatible with live Avatar Dynamics? 😦 I'm missing the features hard right now.

[humble citrus]

@dreamy epoch

[final raven]

keep being based 😎

[strong wasp]

im just eagerly awaiting it

[dreamy epoch]

ah. I had a feeling it had something to do with combining the different developmental branches.

[zinc plank]

Same here.

I cant imagine the rats nest to get this branch working with live

[strong wasp]

thinking about programing makes my brain hurts

[sudden echo]

games are difficult to make :)

[strong wasp]

and im very stupid

[ionic heron]

kung do be vv cool though

[azure hull]

soo you cant use ik beta with the avatar dynamics

i understand that they need to update the ik beta branch to include the avatar dynamics stuff

but that a little dissapointing

bc now i dont know weather to use the ik 2.0 or avatar dynamics

[trim fox]

Ik for now not compatible wait for Kung to release update

[hot fulcrum]

It's not like waiting few days.
It will comes up within next few hours if nothing serious issue found.
Just have a tea and rest.

[azure hull]

nono its not gonna tear me apart

im so stoked that either of these updates are even happening

i understand all in due time

imma check out both

[oak pendant]

I've got something working now, but we'll likely have a little patch for live soon too, so ik beta update will wait until after that. But the update should probably be in terms of hours not days.

[inland cargo]

How do u do this on quest?

[thin lark]

Is the new IK in already because the IK seems to be acting tons better

[oak pendant]

Good news is I was able to test and it seemed to work, will need to merge again after next patch and then I'll get it up for you all

Current live patch doesn't have ik2.0

[tame pewter]

thank you kung

[proven forge]

I switched from ik beta to live, but on live my tracker calibration doesn't work. the feet trackers are at knee height. is it bugged rn`?

[oak pendant]

current ik beta doesn't have avatar dynamics, and people can't see each other across version (at the moment)

live is just without all the ik2.0 changes

[inland cargo]

How do u do this in quest can anyone help?

[prisma meadow]

you cant

[oak pendant]

The ik beta doesn't have a quest version available currently

[polar comet]

I was just about to ask about that

[oak pendant]

Trying it out on quest would likely wait until the next "open beta" instead of ik beta, which would have any and all other parts of the next major release in it, the open beta (not ik beta, confusing right?) might not be live compatible for that reason

[polar comet]

So the IK beta isn't compatible with live anymore?

[oak pendant]

Not yet yeah

[prisma meadow]

soon tho

[polar comet]

Damn, my avatar looks scuffed without the IK beta

Guess I'm gonna have to wait to play on live

[inland cargo]

Oh sad

[narrow plank]

laying down sideways is that scuffed for you also?

[proven forge]

Haven't tried

[narrow plank]

its for me

[polar comet]

My avatar won't even stand up straight

in FBT that is

[proven forge]

Are the height calibration issues known on live? On beta it always posioned the feet trackers correctly

[narrow plank]

when i move my arms while laying sideways my chest moves with me

[noble zealot]

Bless 🙏 PB with IK 2.0 would be awesome

[narrow plank]

but some of my friends dont have that problem

and on ik beta i had no issues lel

[silent surge]

Avatar Dynamic release: bugged
IK : some bug + not released

Lol

Why not release everything at same time ?

[proven forge]

Pushing fbt breaking updates to live lol

[silent surge]

yes

[narrow plank]

ye

fbt kinda weird on live atm

[proven forge]

Is ik 2.0 planned for live rn?

[timber grove]

It's on it's way.

Not to much longer

[noble zealot]

[oak pendant]

ik beta is planned to get support for live, so soon just as before the ik beta will let you see your friends on non-beta

[timber grove]

We need a Kung emoji so bad.

[oak pendant]

I'd need to commission some art or something 😆

[proven forge]

Thanks for keeping us updated kung

[polar comet]

Here's to hoping right

Appreciate the info

[lost coral]

How do we set up the dynamic settings for quest?

[chilly juniper]

How do we propose to Kung

[kind goblet]

You should just be able to update it and it will be working, not every avatar has physic bones so you gotta find either worlds or people that have ones that are working. And from what I was told by a creator there’s a limit on how many bones you can have. So if you have avatars that have bones to them and they aren’t working the creator has to fix them

[lost coral]

I figured it out. But thank you!

[kind goblet]

@oak pendant sorry for the ping, but apparently there’s a limit on bones right now cause I assume since it’s just the release you are seeing how it works and if so like will you guys be increasing the bone limit?

[devout current]

what's getting fixed? :o

I saw you typing there Phasedragon :P

[timber grove]

It should be called like "kungscoot". I remember a while back we were joking about how we should replace the army crawl with a scooting animation 😄

[empty solar]

@oak pendant even after the beta would it still be valid to post about any problems with IK2

[devout current]

Update yay :3

[low storm]

Wait there's an update?

[devout current]

Yup

[oak pendant]

Restart Steam 🙂

[dusk anvil]

bornana

[devout current]

Tupper is already typing in #open-beta-announcements

[warm stream]

Ayyy

Good work!

[oak pendant]

IK2.0 + AD is go 🎉

[ionic heron]

pog

[patent root]

ayeeee

[timber grove]

homie hug

[devout current]

You actually don't have to, you can also verify the game files and it will also update

[oak pendant]

And yeah, IK bugs still go in same old IK2 canny

[timber grove]

🤗

[patent root]

🎉 no more arm clip! 🎉

[spark yew]

uhhhhh

[dusk anvil]

pin this

[vocal sail]

[spark yew]

build 11901?

[tame pewter]

[spark yew]

do u mean 1191 lol

[dusk anvil]

no

[stiff light]

sick

[serene ermine]

has anyone told you how awesome you are?

[mellow brook]

Ok…

[low storm]

aaaaaaaaaa

[mellow brook]

So like on quest?

[hazy sleet]

Based Kung

[dusk anvil]

[mellow brook]

Is now live compatible

[patent root]

is there any set date/around time this will be pushed to live?

[undone plinth]

Thanks Kung

[devout current]

Yay fancy IK with fancy bones

[dusk anvil]

no

[dusk anvil]

fany bones

[still grotto]

As always, when it's ready!

[mellow brook]

Confused

[patent root]

i am curious about roadmaps x3

they are interesting

[mellow brook]

Wait is it available for quest and to merge with live at the same time???

[devout current]

Ahhhhh

[mellow brook]

Or just steam

[dusk anvil]

ik beta aint on quest

[mellow brook]

FU-

[final moss]

forgot to move update banner

[mellow brook]

Ok

[balmy perch]

Hello I came to ask when IK 2.0 beta will be updated so I can use it again

[dusk anvil]

minor spelling error

i win

[mellow brook]

thank for help

[patent root]

now lol

[devout current]

qwq

[patent root]

owo

[balmy perch]

lol

[patent root]

am i being yelled at

[lethal bridge]

praise King Kung 👀

[patent root]

what were those ghost pings

[empty solar]

wait with the chest tracker does this mean we have 11 point tracking?

[patent root]

yes

[devout current]

King kong

[mellow lichen]

Yeah, PB weren't working and got me thinking why PB is broken after I updated my avatar, forgot I was in Beta IK. xD

[devout current]

Yup

[devout current]

Lmao

[mellow lichen]

I forgor

[vital inlet]

build 11901? oh

[final moss]

steam messed me up

[devout current]

Yeah live will get an update soon

1190

[oblique rune]

So I switch back to the ik update now?

[devout current]

Bug fixes and so on

[weary coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/wooo-yeah-baby-gif-18955985

[devout current]

Yup you can

[oblique rune]

Sweet

[maiden rock]

back to beta!

[devout current]

[patent root]

ik-2 is where it’s @

[mild rover]

When I updated I don't see the IK2 options

[oak pendant]

Make sure you're on build 11901

[mild rover]

Yeah it says 11901

[oblique rune]

Which PB numberr should I focus on for bounciness, spring?

[oak pendant]

Is anyone else having the issue of not seeing IK options?

[maiden rock]

appeared first time

now on beta

[mellow lichen]

I see it, but update is not the correct one. x_x

[vast tangle]

oh so thats why the lobbies were empty

[mellow lichen]

wait, re-updated, went back then back to beta fixed it for me.

[devout current]

That's weird

[oak pendant]

You're in VR right?

[mild rover]

I restarted and its fine weird

Well maybe something on my end

[timber grove]

When I update, should I go the the new live update, or should I do the IK beta update?

[devout current]

Ik beta

[timber grove]

Ok.

Thank you!

[oak pendant]

Glad it showed up, If anyone else has issues with the options showing up first go let me know

[limpid latch]

Hmmm when I switch to the IK beta it keeps loading me into an old version without dynamics telling me to update

[devout current]

Verify your game files

Or restart steam

[maiden rock]

restart steam

now correct version

[devout current]

Both will force it to update

[warped grotto]

new ik beta is just live compat doesnt have Phys bones

[mild rover]

@oak pendant Thanks for the help 👍

[oak pendant]

Towneh you see the IK2.0 options there?

[devout current]

Are you in 11901?

[wary rampart]

Geee Kung, that was quick.

[maiden rock]

no

then again thats probably because im in desktop

[oak pendant]

Woah..

[devout current]

Kung I really hope that once the new Main Menu comes out you can put some of your launch options in it so we can change them ingame

[oak pendant]

And if you restart does it show up?

Also confirming, they don't show if you're not in VR

are you in VR?

[maiden rock]

i can be, gimme a second

[oak pendant]

Oh if you weren't in VR then, it wouldn't have shown and that's expected behavior

no worries

I'm just trying to gather if this is an issue or not

I suppose people actually testing in VR probably aren't in discord right now

[maiden rock]

gotta regression test the deskies too!

[warped grotto]

i was

[oak pendant]

Yeah, though in this case, no IK options is correct behavior

(in desktop)

[devout current]

Hmmm

[real bane]

nice update, all trackers are charging up

[timber grove]

Do you have trackers on?

[devout current]

They probably don't

[maiden rock]

first I was in bed

[devout current]

Otherwise the FBT option would show up

[oak pendant]

Thanks Towneh, looks like it's good

[dusk anvil]

can confirm tracking and ik section in quick menu settings is there in vr

[devout current]

Good

[maiden rock]

now with FBT

[oak pendant]

The "Tracking and IK" tab will show in VR but the FBT options show up on the second row only if you have trackers on

[oak pendant]

Thanks for checking!

[maiden rock]

so in desktop, half body and fbt, all checks out

[real bane]

since adding chest tracking, I am going to try locking all I guess

[oak pendant]

Whew, had me sweating. Hey guys it's released! (release has no IK options) 👀

[dusk anvil]

no problem kung from kung kung studios kungmarked twenty twenty-kung

[devout current]

I have to say the QM settings are getting kinda full with Avatar Dynamics and IK beta xD

[wary rampart]

Since the IK beta now makes it that the actual user height is recommended my avatar proportions are off. Is there a chance something might change or can I start adjust all my avatars to the new proportions and not worry about having to do it again in the future?

[maiden rock]

it's a good kind of full though 👀

[dusk anvil]

cant imagine what the main menu settings are gonna looked like when the main menu gets its overhaul

[marsh elm]

more toggles (but pretend i used uppercase to yell)

[vital inlet]

is the ik beta back working yet?

[devout current]

I hope all the stuff we need launch options for are in that then

[dusk anvil]

if they arent im going to type up a canny so damn fast

[dusk anvil]

yea

[oak pendant]

I'd recommend scale by height instead, if that doesn't work you can mess with the custom arm ratio launch option

[ivory fjord]

Aren’t all pc bones ment to convert to physbones?

[vital inlet]

nice should i switch to regular and back to beta or can i launch straight from the beta

[oak pendant]

here's the patch note with details on that from awhile back: Added --custom-arm-ratio="0.4537" launch option. "0.4537" is default, "0.415" will approximate previous beta arm scale

[devout current]

They do lol

[ivory fjord]

I just checked about an hour ago, they haven’t

[devout current]

Such a small difference xD

In terms of numbers

[junior pebble]

thank you for getting IK compatible with AD so quickly lol

[rotund hollow]

Question will all avatars soon have phys bones?

[junior pebble]

i absolutely love it all working together

[maiden rock]

ok back to bed, looks like my physbones all work nicely too

[devout current]

That's not what this channel is for

[maiden rock]

laters

[oak pendant]

They're all supposed to represent the ratio of one arm to your height, so going far out of that range would represent a pretty crazy creature

[devout current]

Ahhhh

[oak pendant]

Awesome, thanks for testing that too

[empty solar]

what's the arm scale values based on?

[lilac sandal]

is it expected behavior to see framerate cap for desktop at 240 (my monitors refresh) rather than 90 (no launch options used)

[grand lynx]

Half way through updating my avatars for phys bone... will do plenty of testing tomorrow for the IK release

[wary rampart]

Well I adjusted my user height by about 6 inches to what I had before the beta. So it might be best to just adjust all my avatars together with updating to the new physics bones.

[grand lynx]

Amazing job getting this done so fast, wow

[devout current]

Yup

They changed it so it will always use your monitors refreshrate

[wary rampart]

Just worried that the moment I put in work something needs changing and I can start all over again.

[zinc plank]

Yoooooo @oak pendant thank you for your hard work getting this branch back up. 🙏🙏🙏

Real mvp here

[vague coyote]

Anyone else having issues with hip tracking?

[lethal bridge]

Use the arm scale launch option for now

[timber grove]

Can confirm it does appear

[tulip bear]

if u dont mind me asking, whats ik-2beta? is it compatable with quest? and is beta on live atm? !

[oak pendant]

Awesome, looks like the menu thing is ok then, thanks for checking

[lethal bridge]

It will be compatible with the quest when it releases. It’s a complete overhaul of the VRC IK system. It’s not accessible as a beta for the quest

[oak pendant]

https://youtu.be/qUa1uIcOCmE

[devout current]

Sipp makes some good stuff

[oak pendant]

To answer your question see above ^

well part of your questions

it's PC only for now

but is cross-compatible with live

[devout current]

Steam only to be specific

[timber grove]

is good

[oblique rune]

Are people in the live branch able to see me now that this one was updated?

[lethal bridge]

Yes

[oblique rune]

👌

[timber grove]

Yep. People in the live version will see you in the ik beta version.

[trail junco]

Do I remember correctly that IK2.0 beta works with non-beta tester unlike the last beta? Thanks

[prisma meadow]

iks working like a dream. I had to do my workout class in ik 1.0 and almost left then and there because the scale was all off

[trail junco]

Ah I see

[devout current]

You have a workout class in VR?! :O

[devout current]

That looks interesting

[hazy sleet]

Comfortable.

[timber grove]

What the catgirl doin?

[pliant oracle]

Anybody here getting strange 10-point tracking issues ? Where everything works, but the feet ?

[oak pendant]

hmm getting other reports from elswhere that the feet have issues

did anyone have their feet work who's tested so far?

[frozen basin]

just got on vr, see ppl in live fine, physbones work, thanks for the quick update

[vital inlet]

[frozen basin]

fbt working fine here

[final moss]

Same

[oak pendant]

just to confirm, that's feet, and all right?

[pliant oracle]

Testing between the Standard Live Vs IK-Beta Live, It's only the feet can confirm.

[oak pendant]

(because some people may use 4pt)

[prisma meadow]

Yup

[frozen basin]

feet and hip here

[shell basin]

Yeah got that since the update that came out almost a day ago
If i while calibrating have the white balls a bit above the avatars feet everything works fine for me but if the white balls are inside of the feet it uses the knee trackers as feet trackers

[vital inlet]

Odd, in legacy ik my feets merge oddly at 0,0

in ik-beta

[pliant oracle]

Can confirm that one too.

[vital inlet]

https://files.moonvrc.com/VRChat_nq6lqDYASr.png

[pliant oracle]

Siren-Mode activated.

[oak pendant]

You're all using your actual IRL user real height really really right? because that could affect this

[vital inlet]

Yep

[pliant oracle]

Yeah.

[shell basin]

Yes

[oak pendant]

kk

[vital inlet]

tried many different ones as well

[tame pewter]

my right controller is a vive puck again and my left controller is gone

[vital inlet]

just to rule that out

[tame pewter]

[tame pewter]

only visual, everything works

[frozen basin]

only change from prev beta so far is vrc boots in half body for me, now have to hit calibrate in menu first

[oak pendant]

That's intended

[frozen basin]

kk

it does seem to reload the avatar too once i hit calibrate, that normal too?

[oak pendant]

yeah also intended

[frozen basin]

cool, thanks again for being so quick

[oak pendant]

I'm gonna test this a bit in vr so I'll be away from discord

[vital inlet]

Okay! if you need me for testing, feel free to DM!

[oak pendant]

Did a bunch of testing before releasing this so not hopeful I can get it to not work, but maybe I missed something

[timber grove]

I didn’t notice anything. I’m on 6 point.

[pliant oracle]

I'm doing a bit of testing on my end aswell to see what could differ from me and other 8 to 10 point users.

[vital inlet]

If not, i can provide testing on a debug build

[final moss]

Might be steamvr beta?

moons in beta and im not so we gonn test that

[vital inlet]

Switching to SteamVR Stable-Main now

[high nest]

hmm, the avatar interaction override for specific users might be broken on ik beta. the section is there but appears to be empty

[final raven]

Thank you Kung for working hard and staying on top of everything

[final moss]

yep same here

[forest berry]

help i cant upload the avatar 😦

[vital inlet]

works with a calibration range of 0.5

[eager cedar]

So now if I use the IK-2 beta I should be able to use the Avatar dynamics? Or I missunderstood? lol

[forest berry]

how

[zinc plank]

yes .

[final moss]

ik2 works with physbones

[zinc plank]

kung just released a patch for it

[eager cedar]

Great, thanks! 😄

[strange marlin]

Hey!
After the most recent IK beta update, my neck has been doing this really bizarre bending when sit down and lean a little forward using hip lock. It's happening on every avatar I try and was not doing this on the previous version. I use 6 point tracking.

[oak pendant]

Try cycling the lock types, there could be issues with the AD and IK menu merge

[oak pendant]

it might display something that it's not possibly

[forest berry]

there's a new sdk version now?

[vital inlet]

does the neck issue in all 3 modes 4 me

[polar comet]

hey is the steam IK beta branch compatible with live now, did I read that right?

I can't read announcements ignore the prior message lol

[oak pendant]

Couple more things to check, do you have any tracker devices roles set in steam to held in hand? Do you have more than 11 total (8 trackers + hmd + 2 hands) tracked devices simultaneously connected (even if VRChat isn't using them)?

Beyond that, verifying vrchat's files on steam

and maybe swapping to other builds and swapping back could be a thing

[lean badger]

shoulders being wierd while walking (8 point tracking with elbows)

[trail junco]

I am still bit new to FBT (3 point vive) but it seems some avatars wont line up the feet height to trackers properly with real height so I have adjusted that and mostly been working well, what kinda problems that may cause I wonder

[blazing rivet]

i got a problem with the ik beta build ever since the update came out yesterday, the quick menu takes up the whole screen and the main menu does not exist, it's fine on the avatar dynamic build, please help what should i do?

[oak pendant]

If you fake the real height it'll be harder to guess the expected locations trackers should bind to

[vital inlet]

Tracker roles are set, I have 3 fbt trackers and 2 cntrls, 1hmd, i verified, works with --calibration-range="0.5"

Neck is scuffed though

[trail junco]

Thanks for clearing that!

[oak pendant]

So confirming, increasing the --calibration-range got your feet to move, but neck behavior is off?

[vital inlet]

Yep

[oak pendant]

ok, that really helps to narrow down what may be causing it

[blazing rivet]

kung do you know a fix? i will be sad if i have to say goodbye to the ik beta :c

[lean badger]

more wierdness

[oak pendant]

I'm beginning to think the UI might not be displaying correct info (most of the merge challenges were in different menus for AD and IK2)

so might be worth it to play around with the values and then put them back to what they should be

for things like lock types and user real height etc

[lean badger]

feels like shoulders are over-active in general

[oak pendant]

to troubleshoot that I'd need a full list of what tracked areas you're using

but also unfortunately, I'm gonna have to sleep before starting to dive in to all the little issues bound to pop up with a merge like this...

[lean badger]

8 point with elbows

[oak pendant]

thanks

[frank trench]

for me the qm is huge on small avatars and the main menu appears in weird locations, sometimes really far away depending on the map

[oak pendant]

Ok interesting, yeah anything off with the UI is also helpful to know

[carmine gate]

I can't reproduce the locomotion bug again

bruh momentus

[blazing rivet]

oh you are right, only my small avatar's have the unusable QM, my regular avatar's are fine

[final raven]

Hmm just catching up but what's going on here essentially? Haven't gotten back on yet to check on things~

[blazing rivet]

but the main menu does not show anything at al, so the ik beta is unusable for me sorry kung, guess il go to the non ik beta, i hope the fix will be out soon since i love the ik beta

[frank trench]

restarting vrc and steam a couple times seems to have fixed it? idk what i did

[oak pendant]

Yeah, the goal for today was to get this "working" and although it's unfortunately not working for some, I'll need to go for now in order to get back to work on this tomorrow. Feel free to document things, especially those you can reproduce with as much info as possible (or videos are best because they show things you'd not think to say maybe) in canny

This could also come down to everyone jumping on this update at once, and a few people getting bad downloads

I mean, people didn't restart steam etc (in theory not needed, but I usually do that anyway)

[lethal tulip]

i dont think physbones has any idea how to convert bones that use force... my hair looks wack.

[zinc plank]

alright g, keep us updated.
get some sleep 🙏

[frank trench]

but using coordinates from an avatar with a hud seems to indicate the menu was sticking to 0,0,0

[oak pendant]

Some people are having trouble with getting calibration to bind, but it seems to be a semi rare case

[oak pendant]

also useful info, yeah document all that kind of stuff if you can in canny

well if it's a recurring bug

Anyway, I've got to go for now but I'll check canny when I'm back online, so put detailed stuff with videos if possible in there if you'd like me to look at it

[final raven]

Hmmm, I see. I'll be on the look out for anything in that case and see if it crops up on my end.

[oak pendant]

thanks

Ok I g2g for now

[final raven]

Thanks again for getting this out quickly for us ik enthusiasts ^^

[final raven]

No issues noticed so far, but this small bug seems to have been fixed. 👀
https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-ik-20/p/11731-avatar-measurement-button-doesnt-properly-update-initially-upon-fresh-star

Oh yeah, the avatar interaction override settings are non-existent

[iron scroll]

how can you use the interaction avatars on quest?

[final raven]

https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-ik-20/p/11901-avatar-interaction-override-settings-are-missing

[vital inlet]

The new IK-2 beta will have it working with a chest tracker or?

I use oculus quest 2

And will have 4 vive trackers

[carmine gate]

chest tracker is supported yes

[lean badger]

neck is borked in lock hip mode

[vital inlet]

Now with the IK beta, how do I download it?

Or, well, is it just called SteamVR Beta Update?

[lean badger]

https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-ik-20/p/1174-8-neck-bending-strangely-in-lock-hip-mode canny for neck bork

[mellow brook]

Wait… beta can’t be accessed on quest anymore?

Whyyyyyy

[carmine gate]

Beta is now live

everything that was in the Quest beta is now in the main version

IK Beta is a separate branch and only on PC

[vital inlet]

Oh my god

I am so used to using steamvr to launch vrchat, I was looking at the wrong place

[mellow brook]

That’s.. really fucking stupid

[vital inlet]

Huge brain fart moment

[mellow brook]

Physbones no workie

Sad

[rocky forge]

They have a hard limit on quest. Over 64 transforms and they are removed entirely. That might be why it doesn't look like it works, if you're on quest.

[mellow brook]

Damn

Oki

[hollow sigil]

I will watch this beta in high expectations, even though I don't have FBT xD

[carmine gate]

theres stuff for non-fbt people

for example, you can now move your hands while in the steamvr dash

[hollow sigil]

Oh wowie, that is pretty neat!

[bright hill]

hey can anyone here help me make sure i set up the new PhysBones correctly

[spark junco]

Read the channel name.

[proud burrow]

this for ik 2

😅

[bright hill]

thx

[spark junco]

👀 Wrong person.

[thorn dirge]

yeah sorry

[lean badger]

oh no. is my beloved gorilla pose dead? :p

[vivid apex]

is there a way to adjust how much the clav bones move versus the shoulder? i really dislike how much mine move

[lean badger]

it feels like shoulders in general are a bit overactive in the latest version

[frozen basin]

the fact you dont need to recal when switching models is crazy

[rotund citrus]

is there a way to do it on quest?

[empty solar]

i think that the arm drag might be back

when using forced locomotion

[echo stream]

I've been experiencing a weird issue with IK2.0. My menu is out of place and my Full-Body-Calibration is most of the time not calibrating

And I have checked on the normal version of VRChat and the menu and the full-body-calibration are all still fine, it's not my play-space

[carmine gate]

wdym gorilla pose? the tracking only happens if you have AFK detection turned off

[empty solar]

this came back

[misty fulcrum]

I just wanted to say that Kung is doing a god-like work and I have utmost respect for them <3

blew my mind how quickly the branches got merged so IK is usable with live again

[rustic berry]

^^

tried out chest tracking tonight and it's just as good as I hoped it'd be

[prisma meadow]

Uggg why must mine be in shipping. I want it nowww

[spark junco]

Nice mod. 👀

Ahem.

You just outed yourself.

[reef pike]

yep sure did

[scenic lion]

😅

[final raven]

https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-ik-20/p/11901-possibility-of-improved-initialization-time-for-saved-calibration

[hasty ferry]

IK beta is updated with the live physbones update right?

[lost quest]

yes

[hasty ferry]

Nice

Are we getting options to disable avatar running animations through IK so it doesn't have to be avatar dependent? (the usual fbt float)

[lethal light]

Everyone is hoping and praying, no official comments

[hasty ferry]

Oh damn

See one twist to this which could help people who get motion sickness from the movement you'e not doing yourself could be to not just have the option to float, but the option for the float to be purely client side, if it's because they really don't want everyone to be floating around lol

[marsh elm]

I don't get why that isn't a standard setting in your menu. Why keep it up to the avi maker's discretion?

[lethal shale]

Is the avatar interactions working for anyone else on quest 2?

[scenic lion]

VRCSDK broke when i upgrade it in unity, what should i do

[white herald]

I'm not able to switch to beta on meta quest, is anyone else having this issue?

[scenic lion]

normal with 2022.03.04 one, broke with the 04.20 one

[devout current]

Remove Pumpkin's Avatar Tools

[scenic lion]

fixed it by delete some wrong scripts, thank you though

[harsh lagoon]

there is now a new version of pumkins tools v1.0

you can use that later if you'd like

[devout current]

Ah nice, didn't knew they released a new one

[round osprey]

avatars that have stuff below the origin point are acting very differently after update

[cyan cobalt]

Is anyone having tracking issues since the update? Im using ik 2 beta and wondering if it’s probably my end

[round osprey]

so far seems okay for me

[echo stream]

I think I know what you mean

Do you mean like, whenever you try to calibrate your full body but it doesn't calibrate it sometimes?

[cyan cobalt]

Nah more like i fly into oblivion more often

I’ll try to run room set up tomorrow and see if it helps at all

[echo stream]

I would recommend to check if your height in VRChat is correct and/or like you've said, set a new guardian

[cyan cobalt]

Thanks 👍

[echo stream]

If it still doesn't work, try to get off the Beta Program and check if VRChat is the issue, which is likely not

[tame pewter]

the avatar creator may be using the locomotion layer for other things, so adding a toggle that overrides could cause issues with their animator logic

[lean badger]

Yes, before with the AFK detection off (or before AFK detection existed) and it stopped tracking your hands your avatar would kind of stand in a pose with the arms in front of them like a gorilla. It was just kinda funny 😛

[limpid vessel]

E

[crystal falcon]

Hi, my legs are being ignored in calibration, this is the case with every avatar. What's the cause?

[crystal falcon]

Ok. Its because new ik doesnt like tall people. I'm 2m and I have to bend for it to pick up my feet

thats cringe.

[lethal bridge]

are the tracker balls far from your avatar's feet

[crystal falcon]

no

they are perfectly onto pf them, they get ignored unless i bend down so theyre just below my knees, only then they register

[lethal bridge]

and you're using six point tracking?

[crystal falcon]

yes

[oak pendant]

This appears to be a new bug after the merge with AD. I'll be investigating soon. In the meantime you can try increasing thing calibration range with this launch argument: --calibration-range= 0.3 is the default, try maybe doubling it: --calibration-range="0.6"

If that works for you without issue, or causes other issue, I'm very interested in the results, so let me know how it goes if you can. You can reply to this message with @ turned on for that

[crystal falcon]

Calibration with higher range works perfectly now, thanks

[oak pendant]

Awesome! Thanks for reporting back

[lethal bridge]

yeah, seem to be noticing this too

[sly kindle]

There is a newer bug with full body 10 point tracking. The weight of my legs are not the same. I pick up my right leg and then wiggle my foot, it's represented correctly on my avatar.
But if I do the same with my left leg and wiggle my foot, it's partially weighted to the avatars left knee. So it pulls the avatars knee down.

There is also some error where it things the toes are pointed odd directions. I will calibrate with my toes pointing forward and the avatars right foot will appear askew. (about 30 degrees clockwise)

I do have enough trackers to test out chest tracking. However I'm unable to come up with a mounting solution to my chest that doesn't slide down my body during use. Anyone can link me to a proper solution would be appreciated.

[primal palm]

DIY backpack style harness? 😂

[prisma meadow]

I'm trying out a gopro chest mount with a 1/4" unc adaptor

[sly kindle]

Any more straps and harnesses and im going to start looking like a exhibitionist lol

[velvet wedge]

There definitely was a regression in 3 point (headset+controller) tracking in the IK-beta. It's more akin to live's tracking again now. (Which is drastically different.)

Was this intentional?

[serene coyote]

IK Beta is broken with the avatar interaction Permissions tap/menu.
avatar interaction works but the Permissions tap/menu is broken when you click on another player to force it on or other things.
Meaning i can't pick who i want to be able to touch or grab bones.

[dim trench]

Same thing happens to me sometimes. I will just be sitting in my chair chillin, then suddenly fly into random parts of the world.

I even made sure to cover/remove all reflective surfaces in my room

[sly kindle]

Got a Go-Pro chest mount. I will be able to test 11 point tracking tomorrow stay tuned.

[primal palm]

as if you aren't. xD

[sly kindle]

🤫

[primal palm]

I'll never forget

so anyway, FBT funny yes.

[zenith pollen]

Is anyone else finding it super awkward to lay on their side in VR with 6-point tracking now? For example, if I turn to lay on my left side, my avatar's torso almost stays completely static (as if I'm laying flat on my back). It's only if I take my right hand and stretch it out an uncomfortable amount in-front of me that my torso turns to face the direction I'm facing.

Another issue is if I'm laying on my side and propping myself up with my elbow. My avatar's shoulder/elbow will position itself behind me, making the pose look super unnatural and weird. Really disappointed so far.

[vital inlet]

My legs never close when i lay sideways in 6pt tracking

Its weird

[grand ether]

I think for 6 point tracking when u stretch ur arm out infront of you ur shoulders now move and they rotate so much forward that it looks like my shoulders just become none existant and I just have an arm because how much it rotates and I become shoulder less and I think that should be addressed because im sure our shoulders dont move that way when u stretch ur arms out forward although it looks much better when u lift ur arm up and stuff

and the neck just seems super stiff

but I think the chest is fine but I haven't tested the chest since a few beta updates ago

so idk

[mint abyss]

how immersed will you be knowing that your elbows will bend in the right angle at the cost of wearing a heavy-ish suit?

[sly kindle]

well, I have a bit of muscle on me, so avatar's slender arms don't really match one to one. There is a bit of diminishing returns when it comes to more and more tracker points.

[empty solar]

what is that arm scale thing in the launch settings

[rose barn]

Hey is the beta available for quest becuase I wanna try out physbones

[tardy galleon]

Mooon!
I made a canny about that a while back. Using Arm measuring helps but it's still not great

https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-ik-20/p/knees-too-prone-to-open-when-laying-on-the-side

[ionic heron]

Physbones have already come out! See #announcements c:

i.e, there is no more physbone beta

[vital inlet]

Hi cutie, Upvoted, lemme re-post in the servers that have active canny users

[rose barn]

Oh how do I turn it on because the setting people keep telling me to turn on isn't there.

[tardy galleon]

waaah, appreciated! It's unfortunate cos its the only thing keeping me from permanently using IK2

[vital inlet]

You think that's bad? My neck hunches like crazy now o.o makes me feel uncomfy in fbt

[tardy galleon]

eh? guessing when locking all?

[ionic heron]

It is on! However as no existing Quest avatar has dynamic bones on it, there's nothing to convert - you'll have to equip an avatar that has physbones added to it

There's also some limits for the standalone Quest - see #announcements

[stark thorn]

Would you be capable to add those yourself? If you make avatars?

[ionic heron]

you can add them yourself ofc, yes

[rose barn]

Ah okay thank you very much you have been extremely helpful

[ionic heron]

yw! c:

[cobalt storm]

Thanks!

[stark thorn]

Is that hard? I began using unity couple days ago

[ionic heron]

not really! though this isn't the channel for that, should move to #user-support-old c:

[stark thorn]

Oops sorry-

[harsh lagoon]

So I was having a few issues last night that I'm not sure if they're related to the ik or just the game in general but when I was walking around while standing in 3pt, it felt like my body was jittery at the start of the walking animation. I could often see my avatars tail get moved so quickly from the jitter that it would be sent the wrong way for just a single frame, as well as my whole body doing a small and barely noticable stutter

Barely noticable but for me it was really messing up how I test my avatars dynamics

I will need to test with the ik reverted to see if this persists but I have a feeling it happened after the merge with AD

[vital inlet]

On all 3 modes

[tardy galleon]

oof 😓

[sharp ermine]

anyone know if there is a documented performance comparison to dynamic vs physbones

like "40% better frames" "able to have 1000x more physbones than dynamic bones"

[copper trench]

just say >9000

[ionic heron]

on the official docs and announcements, yes

anywhere from 12-20x faster or more, depending on multiple factors - from https://medium.com/vrchat/avatar-dynamics-dev-update-9582d674ab1d

also, this is the channel for the IK beta, not for physbones o:

[sharp ermine]

my bad and thanks

[ionic heron]

you're fine! and yw c:

[terse kestrel]

Please move all Avatar Dynamics chatter to #avatar-dynamics !

[devout current]

Thank you for this Tupper

^^

:o

[oak pendant]

(If there's a specific bug related to IK2.0's interaction with the Avatar Dynamics system, that's ok to be in here)

[icy ferry]

is anybody having any issues with the shoulders looking really strange all of a sudden?? it's like my shoulders are moving up too high and now my arm length looks incorrect/too short despite no changes to my avatars from the previous update. for reference i'm using 6 pt tracking.

and my arm when crossed over my chest makes my shoulders like cave inwards too far if that makes any sense

it seems there's been a couple of people mentioning it but i don't know how common it is and if there's something wrong with the avatars or the calibration itself.

[lyric pine]

is the ik-2 with live now? :X

like i can play with my normal live server friends ,-,`?

[icy ferry]

yeah it's network compatible now so you can use it with everybody

[lyric pine]

❤️ omfg thx so much ;_;

i cant play without it xD i just love it

[weary coyote]

Check the height measurement settings for ik2 if you haven't already

[icy ferry]

already did. it's my height.

[trim fox]

in steam launch options try --calibration-range="0.6"

it might fix your issue

[static scroll]

Ooh, what does that do?

[weary coyote]

Speaking of debug options I need to disable shoulder tracking

[trim fox]

fixes problem for tall people

[static scroll]

Nice.

[icy ferry]

i'll give that a try later thank you!!

[static scroll]

This determines the distance from predicted supported binding points that the calibration will search (in meters)

[icy ferry]

i'm 5'9" so idk if it's me being "tall" but worth a try

[static scroll]

So especially tall and especially short people

[trim fox]

worth a try

[icy ferry]

i'm in an average range. i'll give it a try later when i get a chance though for sure!! thank you!!

[vital inlet]

Is the neck hunching gonna be fixed? (for tall people)

[trim fox]

Kung already said that it's being worked on

[vital inlet]

pog

amazing work as always Kung ❤️

that IK beta is a blessing, I fucking love it

[devout current]

Kung = chad

[alpine quest]

Just wanting to check in with some troubleshooting help in case I'm being stupid: Am having this weird issue, specifically with one avatar, where the IK seems to drift a bit compared with the actual controller positions while moving. feels like the avatar's hands are a fraction of a second behind where the controllers were.
This is with a set of avatars I uplaoded today on the newest SDK with physbones. The locomotion setup is the same as I've had on other avatars, and those are fine (albeit they are on the pre-physbone sdk). The lock type doesn't affect this drift hapenning, but reverting to old IK heavily mitigates it

Just encoding a video showing this now with a demonstration. I think a friend had a similar issue but it got fixed in an update (?), not sure if there is a canny for these or not

[icy ferry]

i haven't seen any feedback posts about it i don't believe. i know some people are having complete loss of tracking, but not quite a lag/drift issue.

might be worth it to make a feedback post with the video

[carmine gate]

the person with full loss of tracking on one hand said they also saw it happen in the steamvr dash. it really seems to me that theyre just having radio interference with too many trackers on

[alpine quest]

this isn't radio interference or anything, my steamvr tracking is fine. i had that one bug(?) where i saw controllers in normal vrc and i could clearly see the drift hapenning there

[ancient geode]

if your in a apartment or something with alot of diferent wifi's around you it can kill tracking the trakers are on the 2.4 band same as wifi

[icy ferry]

yeah it's just the only thing i can think of that was similar at all to what was mentioned

[alpine quest]

yeah will do

[icy ferry]

send a link to your post when you've made it and i'd be happy to check it out and upvote if it seems like a problem

[rustic berry]

I did actually notice that I got a lot of trackers dropping out out of the blue when it was not happening before

mainly elbows and hands

[icy ferry]

yeah the only issue i've found seems to be the shoulders moving way too far but that seems like it'll be a less time consuming fix than some of the other issues people are seeing. could just be issues with the new calibration settings and stuff.

since there was so much changed about how calibration works

also i like the fix for not losing calibration when having steamvr's menu open. lmao. i would accidentally do that all the time so that's a good fix.

i'm also surprised at how smooth the calibration saving is. i've been testing it out on a bunch of different proportioned avatars and everything looks great. haven't had a single one get wonky or weird.

[manic notch]

Is there no way for a person who uses a quest with no computer, to use the new avatar dynamics ????

[lethal bridge]

Misread. The avatar dynamics update is live for everyone

Including quest users. And this is the wrong place to ask about avatar dynamics

[minor heath]

Wait has ik2 been rolled public already?

[ancient geode]

no

[icy ferry]

it's live compatible. so still in beta, but you can use it and still see everybody in game.

it hasn't gotten a full release yet

[minor heath]

Ah I see, thanks

[vital inlet]

IK beta still has minor issues with dynamic bone and physbone, but to a much lesser extent with physbone. Will be checking out the new sdk tonight to see if the performance restrictions regarding constraints have been relaxed a bit, since this is the next best thing until IK beta goes stable release

[final raven]

Just a reminder to toss all bug reports / requests related to IK 2.0 onto the canny as only talking about them here on the discord is equivalent to tossing them into the void 🙂
https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-ik-20

[zenith glacier]

@oak pendant when one is starting with FBT and does load into half body (till one presses calibration as you guys set it up to), trackingtype is get to 6- custom lococontrollers will go into FBT logic instead of half body logic (as mine does), meaning its at least for me the same my avatar is not moving stuff as before. You guys may want to keep trackingtype on 3 until FBT is getting activated like you do with "toggle fbt"

[slate mason]

Has the IK2.0 beta been updated to live compatibility?

[hot fulcrum]

yes, long back

[slate mason]

Long back? It seemed yesterday it wasn't.

[carmine gate]

it wasnt live compatible for like what? an hour?

[hot fulcrum]

says....few hour

[carmine gate]

4pm AD released

9:47pm ik beta updated

[slate mason]

Ok sweet

[carmine gate]

so a little under 6 hrs

[hot fulcrum]

not that bad. still half a day of work

[slate mason]

I presume discussion on how IK2.0 compares to modified clients isn't permitted right?

[hot fulcrum]

at least not here

[timber grove]

Not here.

[vital inlet]

Cheers

[devout current]

[dusk anvil]

SCARY

[final raven]

[oak pendant]

Just a little patch this time

playing catch up with the post-merge mess

[vital inlet]

ye take your time

[carmine gate]

an important patch

[oak pendant]

@vital inlet can you test your tall-person problems in this build too

[dusk anvil]

when suddenly stopping movement in the ik beta the legs kinda snap into place and it looks fuckin WEIRD
(no fbt)

[vital inlet]

your doing gods work already

[vital inlet]

Yep!

[oak pendant]

Not sure if it's fixed, but this is actually a complete redo of the merge that I did yesterday, only slower and more careful this time 😅

So other things that popped up might have been fixed

[autumn stump]

is neck hunching fixed? 👀

[oak pendant]

Are you really tall by chance?

[dusk anvil]

if you are; just ungrow.

[autumn stump]

i am 210 so yes

[oak pendant]

Ok, yeah that looks like the neck issue is related to the other binding issues. Not sure if it'll be fixed but if this doesn't fix the tall issues, I'll be doing a targeted pass on those problems next

[vital inlet]

6'8 here

203cm

[dusk anvil]

hi can we trade spines

[autumn stump]

6'8 is 203 afaik

[oak pendant]

So yeah please give it a test and report back if you can

[autumn stump]

google might lie

[final raven]

goddamn

[autumn stump]

jumping on rn

[oak pendant]

Also another tall person question, did you not have this issue in the last patch?

Meaning after the calibration saving was implemented but before the AD merge

That was build 11748

if you did have the tall person issues in build 11748, then this merge redo probably won't fix anything

but yeah checking and reporting back is the best way to see what's up

(no pun intended)

[dusk anvil]

(pun intended)

[oak pendant]

I'm short, so only a little (pun intended)

[final raven]

5'3" (161cm) here :>

[vital inlet]

Testing now with new ver

[regal wigeon]

im on vrc with latest IK update menu still borked

[final raven]

build number?

[oak pendant]

build 11902?

[regal wigeon]

waitca sec

[dusk anvil]

lol

[devout current]

works for me

[regal wigeon]

still says 11901 odd

[devout current]

I'm in 11902 in verify your game files, it will force an update

[carmine gate]

close the game, restart steam

[regal wigeon]

kk will try sorry for this

[oak pendant]

No problem, I appreciate the intent for quick testing

[vital inlet]

Neck hunching is fixed for me

[oak pendant]

Nice!!

[vital inlet]

Amazing work kung

[oak pendant]

how about binding without the launch option?

[vital inlet]

Oh wait, when i go a tiny bit more down, it still hunches

lemme try

[oak pendant]

Aww

Yeah if the binding problem returns then it's likely not fixed

[vital inlet]

Launch without args?

[oak pendant]

Yeah

[vital inlet]

trying now

[oak pendant]

thanks!

Also (once you're back from vr) @vital inlet can you confirm that you were able to bind correctly right after the calibration saving update came out (but before Avatar Dynamics merge)?

[vital inlet]

Without calib range its still broken

[oak pendant]

kk

[vital inlet]

the build that came out that introduced calibrange i sadly couldn't test

[oak pendant]

ok, then this was likely an inherent issue with that and not a problem with the merge

[vital inlet]

Probably

[oak pendant]

Ok, that simplifies it actually. Yeah, this will be the next thing I work on

[vital inlet]

Cool!

[oak pendant]

Thanks again for the quick testing

[vital inlet]

If you need anything tested feel free to dm

[oak pendant]

I might do that thanks

[vital inlet]

Alright, back to vibetribe i go :3

[oak pendant]

Enjoy 👋

[prisma zealot]

is there a new sdk

[vital inlet]

no

Only for avdyn

[timber grove]

For avatars working with physbones yes, for the ik, no.

[prisma zealot]

ok sorry to ask but is it the one in vrc becaus ei wanna try to add phys bones

[oak pendant]

#avatar-dynamics is the correct place for questions about physbones

[icy ferry]

ooh i'll have to test later when i get on again to see if any particular issues got resolved by the remerge

[wise ocean]

so... all my dynamic bone avatars are now messed up when the psybones happened, is there a way to redo it because i don't want to go on unity and fix all of them again 😔

[fair mango]

I am experiencing the same problems the last time I was on which was yesterday none of my previous avatars made for the update work unless I’m mistaken with update notifications

[wise ocean]

alright, i found it

so if you want it to get disabled, you have to go on safety and go on performance options. after that, disable "convert all dynamic bones to phys bones" and bam, your avatar is back and fixed

[fair mango]

Okay

Thank you

[upbeat vault]

For you. Everyone else will still see the converted bones
also, #avatar-dynamics will get you better help for bone help

[fair mango]

Oh okay

[vital inlet]

beta keeps crashing when i start it up

[upbeat vault]

On steam? have you tried verifying the game files?

[vital inlet]

lemme try

still crashes

[fallow widget]

I am only able to attach 1 tracker.. hip and right leg wont attach after tpose. this known?

[upbeat vault]

seems it was working for others
are the trackers properly tracking in steamVR? and the tracker balls lining up correctly in vrchat before binding?
if they are then you could maybe add the calibration range launch option and try adjusting that?
--calibration-range="0.3"
though, on second thought, if your trackers are that far away from the default range, you might have other problems to worry about

[fallow widget]

never had the problem before today

but if i stand very akward and line balls too "perfect" it works but its all wrong.. balls are usually very close just not exact on the feet as my model isnt buildt for that

where do i change that value?

ohh launch option. ill try it thanks

[fiery barn]

How do I try the ik 2 beta?

[prisma meadow]

1. be on pc. 2. right click vrc in steamvr and go to properties, beta, click

[fallow widget]

i went with 2 instead of 0.3 as 0.3 seemed worse.. the value of 2 works like normal now.. did they make it very picky? not had a problem with calibrating in years. even the ik beta before the dynamic update was fine

[upbeat vault]

instructions for quest can be found in #open-beta-info if your not on PC

[upbeat vault]

Could be less range than before
Probably because the update allows for more trackers and asymmetrical setups

[fiery barn]

I did and its just broken... When I load in and calibate it just makes me have no fbt

[fallow widget]

option or warning would be nice.. i wouldnt know about the launch setting without your help.. noone i know in vr use perfect humanoid rigs...

[thorny oracle]

Unfortunately there isn't a quick fix, but its really not too bad to fix within unity. The auto convert works well, a lot of issues seem to be a couple odd collider size conversions, so you likely just need to adjust a couple colliders.

[kind tartan]

Is this fixed? https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-ik-20/p/tracking-in-walls

The bug where your hands and head desync when in full body?

it was new since Avatar Dynamics released

[jolly matrix]

Are the old locomotion animations back in FBT? Or are they staying gone?

[silk olive]

I encountered a bug with OSC just flat out not working

[vital inlet]

is there any fix? i did a clean download and everythimh

[devout current]

This channel is for discussion about the ongoing IK 2.0 beta, you can use #avatar-dynamics for question / discussions about them.

[vital inlet]

are the ik settings supposed to show up on desktop and vr?

or just only vr

[devout current]

only in VR

none of the settings there make sense for desktop users

[vital inlet]

ok thank you

[vital inlet]

E

[harsh lagoon]

just a heads up that if there are issues that are happening within the IK beta that has to do with the new avatar dynamics, but only happens in the ik beta, thats absolutely something you should discuss here

[gleaming spire]

yea im having the same issue with crashing

its really annoying

[chrome yoke]

Where do you get the build number?

[carmine gate]

quick menu > settings tab, all the way at the bottom

[vital inlet]

sometimes phones can interfere with IR signals of other devices, especially really cheap ones

if i am remembering correctly

[terse minnow]

is the bone feature only out for steam clients right now?

[ionic heron]

sorry, clarify? o:
If you're asking about Physbones, no, that is for Quest and PC, though this isn't the channel for that

[terse minnow]

what channel would it be then?

[ionic heron]

#avatar-dynamics

[minor rampart]

Has anyone had issues who is on IK 2.0 beta, post AD, and has issues with Space Calibrator?

I don't use it, but someone I know does

and if they use regular AD/Live---FBT works fine, but if they use IK 2.0 beta---things get super wonky and things won't activate at all or attach to weird things and bend and contort the avatar horrendously.

[weary coyote]

perhaps its the default calibration distance

[celest knot]

@minor rampart do you perhaps think it's the same issue I'm having?

Hold on let me send a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBQKH8WrDGw

[minor rampart]

similar, but not the same

are you a Space Calibrator user?

[celest knot]

Yes

Not shown in the video but I also had some weird stretching occasionally

But it's not been filmed

Btw I'm not using fbt here

I do have it tho

[flat python]

I've noticed something similar with the beta and Space Calibrator. It could just be the default distance being too high between trackers (no idea how to change it though), but unless I'm standing with my feet uncomfortably apart both my feet trackers glue themselves into one leg. I've also noticed an issue now where my waist tracker decides to just ascend randomly, I'd be standing still and suddenly I'm pringling into space every ten seconds or so

[ebon rune]

new sdk kinda messed up the unity file. Will have to redo everything

[upbeat dew]

is there any way to go back to a previous build of the IK beta? 11731 worked much better for me (4pt tracking) and i wanted to record comparison videos between it and 11902

[fiery barn]

I don't think there is a way to do that

[lethal bridge]

curiously, what exactly do you think was better in the previous version

[runic cipher]

This bug is back with the most recent updates sadly. Was working perfectly just last week. As recently as Monday. https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-ik-20/p/location-of-handsarms-arent-correct-when-moving

[rough plinth]

Hey so i was in live trying to se the physbones and it would not let me. It even showed that they avatar had none can you tell me why?

[grand lynx]

definitely having issues calbrating,

its just not picking up some trackers that are working fine in steam

[upbeat dew]

IMU-based trackers (slimevr/owoTrack) located at the hip are now causing issues with the chest, being pulled forward to unreasonable levels

[wise quartz]

hey are the new avatar dynamics also in the IK beta or do you need to switch back?

[upbeat dew]

i however don't doubt that the update is better for any vive/tundra tracker :>

[upbeat dew]

they're in the beta too!

[wise quartz]

ok thank you!

[primal palm]

Old IK restricted 6DOF waist movement quite a bit. I guess this worked quite well in conjunction with 3DOF trackers?
New IK works much better with 6DOF trackers than they used to anyway.

[young flame]

So, I got a question. how much does where the bones are at impact the feet?

cause, for example, my avatars current feet bones are like this :

Should i change them to:

Or does it not actually matter all that much?

[primal palm]

the latter image

otherwise they will rotate weird

try rotating the bone in pose mode

[young flame]

they've never rotated weirdly

[primal palm]

oh actually I might be on crack, this is a robotic joint, so you want it to bend around that?

[young flame]

Yeah,

Cause i just went to try it:

[primal palm]

yeah, you need the rotation to happen on the joint. 😅

[young flame]

This is an avatar base i've been using for like 2 plus years now, and with the new ik i just ifgured i'd fix any weird issues

[primal palm]

You can point it down slightly and add a toe bone though.

[young flame]

Why the toe bone?

that just adds the annoying weird tiptoey thing

unless theres more significance to it?

[primal palm]

Not if you don't set it as toe in the Unity thing.
But yeah it's not used for the most part, just thought it'd be a nice addition to the model since you have a toe joint.

[young flame]

Oh

Would the pointing down of the foot bone actually change anything?

[primal palm]

nope

[young flame]

okdoke, thanks!

[dusky shadow]

@upbeat vault @fallow widget a friend of mine is having the exact same issue you had earlier, where is it that you change the calibration range? he uses fbt with a non-base station tracked headset and he has the issue while i don't on the index. I get the same issue tho if i try to use legacy fbt calibration

[fallow widget]

Right click on vrchat on steam, open properties and add this to the launch options section: --calibration-range="2"

worked for me

[dusky shadow]

awesome, thanks!!

[gleaming imp]

The neck bone doesn't tilt to follow the head anymore with hip Lock or head lock in 6point tracking

[vital inlet]

My physic bones don’t work anymore and I’m on quest, can anyone help? I tried checking if I had to change versions and it only was 1 version of it

[halcyon sphinx]

I can't find the beta version on my quest 2, anyone can help?

[fiery barn]

I'm having the same problem..

[subtle arrow]

I don't think the IK2.0 is available on quest yet

[halcyon sphinx]

:c

[devout current]

#avatar-dynamics .....

[grand lynx]

seems if feet are below the floor it has issues

[upbeat dew]

try increasing the calibration range?

as stated in the changelog, it's 30cm by default

--calibration-range="1" would increase it to 1 meter

[undone plinth]

A bit of a late update in terms of testing, but it looks like this was inadvertently fixed in the dynamics update. I don't see anything in the changelog that'd imply it was fixed but I can't repro it any more so something under the hood hit this in the meantime. I'll keep an eye out for future regressions though

[tranquil cipher]

try adding --calibration-range="1" to your launch options, the default 0.3 may be too sensitive for you

[quasi sable]

IK= Inverse kinematics

[vital inlet]

what

[quasi sable]

Inverse kinematics is the mathematical process of calculating the variable joint parameters needed to place the end of a kinematic chain

[vital inlet]

Same

Oh okay, do you know when it will come out on quest? (If it ever will)

[marsh elm]

Its a beta for fullbody tracking improvements, basically

So while you'll be able to see the pc people using the new features, they aren't a quest thing

[devout current]

It also benefits normal none FBT VR users with things like the new scaling or the new arm ik

[carmine gate]

everyone on quest when no ik, just floating heads and hands.

[marsh elm]

Enter the metaverse

[carmine gate]

It's not just for full-body as stated by BlackRat....

I wouldn't be surprised if IK 2.0 does end up as an Oculus/Quest branch later down the line

but for now, development is limited to Steam, and I feel I know why. I just don't wanna get into it here.

[upbeat dew]

https://giant.gfycat.com/EachSmugFoxterrier.mp4

^ example of non-FBT improvements

[carmine gate]

and arm vs height scale

I change it all the time depending on the avatar

even in 3pt

it's great to have

[frigid crescent]

why do I have a 6.5 GB log file?

[vital inlet]

some avatars heads dont look up on quest

its okay on legacy though

[final sphinx]

Yo anyone with 11pt here?

I wanna know if the chest tracker can show breathing movements

[carmine gate]

its a feature, makes everyone automatically look down on quest users.

[final sphinx]

i mean u can disable head axis movements with avatar3

[maiden rock]

haven't checked because i've been too busy looking at how scuffed my model becomes when lock both is used

[tired pawn]

Noticed this lastnight as well, glad to see im not the only one suffering from stiff neck syndrome. Mine does the exact same in 6pt with the neck back tilt and locked. Happened right after the IK beta conversion to AD

[hollow locust]

where do i download the sdk with phys 👀 bones

[ionic heron]

From the VRChat website, as usual

this is also the channel for the IK beta - see #avatar-dynamics c:

[half vault]

I am also experiencing the problem with the stiff neck problem with my avatars after the conversion. Any solution?

[hollow locust]

i couldnt find it 0.o

[ionic heron]

https://vrchat.com/home/download - SDK3

[hollow locust]

i though that was the normal one ?

[ionic heron]

yes, which now includes physbones c:
also, see #avatar-dynamics

[hollow locust]

its not there 0.o

i downloaded the newst version

[serene ermine]

I have 11 point, I haven't noticed anything for that. Maybe if you take very deep breaths you can see something, but for me I didn't notice anything.

[marsh elm]

feels like it'd show your torso wobbling forward and back since it's attached to your bone, not any sort of animation

im kida curious too now

[raw wadi]

The avatar seen to start vibrating violently in desktop over time.

[meager fable]

Shoulders are moving a LOT more in the IK beta now. In legacy IK the shoulders had some movement but the torso would reach out with the arm. Now the shoulder bone will move drastically more causing several models to break or fold into the chest.

this a bug or intended?

[carmine gate]

pretty sure its a bug and already known

[meager fable]

figured so, needed to confirm anyway as it ruins most avatars for obvious reason

[weary coyote]

I believe there is a flag you can use to disable shoulder movement with fbt

That might help

[icy ferry]

it's a bug i believe. there's been a feedback post about it here https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-ik-20/p/11748-oddities-with-shoulders-in-the-latest-ik-beta-build

if you have more stuff to add for info, you can add it there and upvote

[prisma meadow]

whats a good avi with an upperchest bone that I could use as an example rig

[mint abyss]

I don't know who manages featured avatars and when those open up, but I'd love to make some simple optimized avatars for the community!

[tawdry nymph]

just going to provide my non-issue feedback about the latest build:

• it feels good being able to physically turn off the chest tracker to ignore it without having to recal. I needed to do this when I know my chest would become occluded, and it works

• no recal to switch avatars convenience has incentivized me using the avatars wing in the quick menu to switch avatars. there's a good chance I'll keep that as a permanent wing because of it

• no recal to switch avatars convenience will likely cause me to shove less av3 gimmicks into one single avatar to spread them out across a few select ones

[lethal light]

I noticed this with shoulder tracking, and I assume chest as well. I can test later (although I only have 10 point so I sacrifice a knee sometimes). Also, you probably need a really solid strap setup

[lean badger]

shoulders moving too much 8-point tracking, elbows [1190-2]

another example, other avatar

[tawdry nymph]

yes it does. it's much more visible in Lock All than in the two other modes

[vital inlet]

ikbeta keeps crashing when im on vr, i dont have any mods on ( just insta crashing when i start up )

i tried reinstalling everything

going out of steam

it might work on desktop for a little bit

and then when i switch to vr it lets me load into the world for a bit and then crashes

[dusk anvil]

thats a lot of avatars woa

[final sphinx]

Ooo cool thx

[carmine gate]

everytime I went in Shelter main on IK beta, I crashed within 30 seconds, no crashes on live

will peruse logs later

[fiery plinth]

I was told to look down about 20 degrees before locking in, helps in these situations!

[final raven]

What was your performance like prior to crashing?

https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-ik-20/p/11902-no-longer-able-to-favorite-additional-worlds

[carmine gate]

no lag

[final raven]

[alpine cobalt]

i've also noticed the performance is worse on IK beta compared to live

[worthy zinc]

Quick question. Is the IK beta updated to the phys bone build?

[harsh lagoon]

Yes

[worthy zinc]

Thanks

[hollow locust]

which version of unity should i be using for the new sdk

if i use 2019.4.31 the new scripts dont work

and if i use anything newer then 2020 tey work but i cant open the sdk to upload it just sayd reload sdk

[karmic hawk]

you should use only 2019.4.31f1, make sure you delete vrcsdk folder their plugins folder if its oldest sdk where it separated, restart unity and try to import new sdk, also try to make fresh new projct for test

[primal palm]

Old versions of PumkinTools will also break stuff.