avatar-help

[heavy ingot]

normally it lets me use the sliders

no i am not in play mode

[somber sequoia]

how strange

[heavy ingot]

i dont even have gesture manager on it yet

[fresh quartz]

Ok so i just deleted two materials that had the wrong shaders

Still all pink.

Anyone know how to fix all pink avi i fixed everything with wrong shaders and all

[somber sequoia]

pink still usually means broken material somehow, so you'll still have to investigate the materials

[fresh quartz]

All the materials arent pink

[somber sequoia]

if your avatar is pink, a material is pink.

don't trust the little bubble icon thingy

[fresh quartz]

Ima send a pic of my mats

[somber sequoia]

not a useful pic though

materials in your project window may not be the ones actually in the scene on your avatar.

[fresh quartz]

I checked out all materials in project window

Nothing is pink

[somber sequoia]

still not relevant

[abstract mortar]

anyone else having issues uploading avatars? it keeps giving me the "missing credentials" error
tried logging out and in again, and it just wont let me upload-

[somber sequoia]

Click on the avatar's mesh objects and view the materials on them

[fresh quartz]

Ok where would i go to find this pink shader?

Ok heres another thing every material says this too

[somber sequoia]

Seems you got an avatar with locked poiyomi materials. that's generally fine

it's an old version of Poiyomi though

[willow peak]

Hey i am just at the beginning as you See and still need to lern bout creating avis so how do i fix this?

[fresh quartz]

Could that be the reason?

[somber sequoia]

fix what

[somber sequoia]

if that material is not pink then there's nothing to fix there

[willow peak]

The eye mat

[viral elbow]

drag and drop

[somber sequoia]

what about it - you need to explain for those of us who don't know what your intent is

[fresh quartz]

So go through all of these and find the pink one?

[somber sequoia]

you can't fix it until you find it, so yes

[willow peak]

Oh yea im trying to texture the eyes and i have added eyetexture that was within the Asset but it looks like what you have seen on the screenshot

[somber sequoia]

looks grey - I'm guessing you mean it to be transparent? Check the rendering mode for the shader used, it may be set to opaque instead of something transparent.

[fresh quartz]

Couldnt find it sadly

[somber sequoia]

okay

[willow peak]

No actually its meant to look like that

[fresh quartz]

But its not in unity its pink in game

[somber sequoia]

Right, so transparent

[white topaz]

Question, if none of my packages are showing (when they should be)... Is my project cooked?

[somber sequoia]

if it's pink in game and not by default in Unity, then probably you have an animation swapping materials

[somber sequoia]

what about this is wrong?

[fresh quartz]

So i can delete my animation folder correct?

[somber sequoia]

you can but why would you do that?

[somber sequoia]

oh - click the eyeball in the upper right of the project window

[fresh quartz]

I mean how could i fix the issue with it swapping materials

[white topaz]

none of my packages, including the VRC SDK are showing up

[willow peak]

Actually im new to All this and i have tried for really long without having any clue

[somber sequoia]

finding which materials are swapped via animation and fixing them

[somber sequoia]

feel free to show the material config

[fresh quartz]

Ok lol im still new to this

So i would go into the anims folder and find the issue of what is swapping them?

[somber sequoia]

you look in the animator(s) on the avatar. Folders on disk are just what could be on your avatar, not necessarily what actually is.

[fresh quartz]

Mk im im the folder and this is what i see

[willow peak]

The material configuration is what pops up when I click on the eye material, right? Like I said, I've been doing this for a week. I had someone help me at first, so I skipped the tutorial because he said so, but that doesn't work anymore because of the time zones, so now I'm on my own.

[somber sequoia]

probably?

[fresh quartz]

This is whats in the anims folder

[somber sequoia]

yes you said this - but I'm not sure why you're telling me

[fresh quartz]

How do i find whats swapping, im sorry im new to all this

[somber sequoia]

I don't have your project so I have no idea what any of those do or if they are even on your avatar at all.

you should be looking in the animation controller(s), not at random files in your project.
If you don't know what that is, I'd suggest vrchat's documentation on setting up an avatar, and various tutorial videos.

[willow peak]

Might be an idea

[abstract mortar]

hey! so no matter what i do, vrchat will not let me update my avatar. I only ever get this error now and I am at my limit

i have troubleshooted for god knows how long, and cannot for the life of me figure out why its giving me this error

[somber sequoia]

in the left image here you can see at the bottom of the inspector, the materials used on the selected mesh object. one of those looks like it might be the eye gloss material

[somber sequoia]

"missing credentials" is probably the problem. When you share an error, share the first 2-3, the root cause is usually there. And don't crop the image so much, context helps.

[somber sequoia]

12 errors but you didn't show the first 2-3.

first = top

but still, "missing credentials" sounds problematic.

[abstract mortar]

sorry you didnt explain it to me

[somber sequoia]

I did, I said show the first 2-3.

[abstract mortar]

thought you mean the latest

[somber sequoia]

... no, first is first, not latest.

[abstract mortar]

sorry thats how i interpereted it

[somber sequoia]

fascinating.

[abstract mortar]

i have legit done what it has told me, logged in and out over and over and over again

tried reimporting every package, tried uploading the avatar under a new blueprint ID
NOTHING IS WORKING AND I DONT KNOW WHAT I DID WRONG

is there anyone able to help me with this error?

[vapid slate]

can someone pls send me a video on how to export an asset and import it into a different project and attach the asset to the avatar (its a tail)

[abstract mortar]

i have found out this is an issue across all my unity projects, again I have no idea what was done to make it impossible for me to upload but it is driving me up a wall

[analog igloo]

ok i need help after that stupid forcing of newer sdk to publish avatars im stuck with this when installing the new sdk

and yes i have those on my avatars

:/ forces us to use newer sdk yet makes it buggy as hell checks out tbh

[indigo compass]

How old was your SDK prior to the update?

[analog igloo]

it was older

i used a older vrchat sdk and such because i felt comfrontable wirth the interface personally hate the new uis

had to install another unity thing and sdk

did both and its just stuck like this no matter what i do

[indigo compass]

You were running 2019??

[analog igloo]

2022

something a older version fo it

of

i dont remmeber

my pc didnt have much space so i didnt bother with installing the newer and as i said hate the ui

i was on 3.6 or something

now its 3.6.22

or something

[somber sequoia]

what is that the version of?

[indigo compass]

3.22f1 is the current version

Double check that you are using exactly that version and not any later, even as Unity tells you to not do it.

[analog igloo]

i installed the newest as i said

and migrated

everything is on latest update

[somber sequoia]

you specifically want 2022.3.22f1 and no other

[analog igloo]

using that one rn

[somber sequoia]

good.

[analog igloo]

deleted the problems listed still showing that stupid glitch

this is so dumb

[somber sequoia]

which glitch?

[analog igloo]

why force people to move to this crappy version

like fucking hell

[somber sequoia]

oh the missing descriptor

[analog igloo]

im annoyed

yes

[somber sequoia]

it's not a unity issue

[analog igloo]

its stuck

even tho all my avatars have it on

so its a vrc issue not surpised

sdk was buggy always

but god this sucks i cant figure out a fix

[indigo compass]

Then it is probably a conpatability issue with some other imported package.
Go update all those and worst case clean up your project.

[analog igloo]

i deleted all my models and tried atest

still has it stuck

so idk what the hell it is

[indigo compass]

Pretty sure it was yet another measure against avatar ripping

[analog igloo]

i guess

fair

but damm i hate the new ui so much im sorry

its a shame

wish it gave option to at least use older ui

or something

[somber sequoia]

what new UI?

[analog igloo]

it stresses me out

the new look of everything

[somber sequoia]

"everything"?

[analog igloo]

it looekd way diffrent then the one i used

preety much

yeah

[indigo compass]

It really doesn't sound like you were using unity 2022 before

[somber sequoia]

did you last do this so long ago you used SDK 2?

[analog igloo]

idk

maybe i wasnt

i downloaed it awhile ago

havent bothered updating and stuff

except a few times

regardless im just trying to figure out what i need to do rather then talk about what version i used

[indigo compass]

Well instead of trying to find the problem I suggest making a new project and moving things over in unity packages or from scratch.

[analog igloo]

fair

ill try that thanks

ill try from scratch ig a shame since i had a ton but idk maybe importing them bugged it out

i lost intrest in vrc for awhile and got back into it a bit

[somber sequoia]

most things ought to migrate fine

[analog igloo]

thats good to hear thanks

[indigo compass]

The issue with older projects is having left over script files that break as the SDK and other things update.

[analog igloo]

this thing has me stressed out

yeah i can see that quite a shame btu understandable

yeah the version i used was 2022.3.6

a little bit older but not super old

it had a diffrent look sorta

i got used to it

thanks again for the help wish me luck

that issue does suck tho couldnt find anything on it at all on the internet

[abstract mortar]

is anyone able to help me at all with this error?
this happens on EVERY project, I also get "missing credentials" as an error.

Ive been researching and apparently its a common issue if you have a VPN? But I actually Dont have a VPN.
Im basically lost, I cant upload any avatar or world from any project at all

[somber sequoia]

which VRChat SDK version?

[abstract mortar]

3.10.1

i tried downgrading earlier to 3.10.0 but no change

[somber sequoia]

Good, that's probably the one you should use

[abstract mortar]

Sadly I’m at my wits end for this.
I may just wait for tomorrow to see what happens, if this persists then I’ll try and just redownload the creator companion

[somber sequoia]

vcc should not have anything to do with anything in Unity itself, it's just a package manager and launcher.

[abstract mortar]

Maybe? Im guessing it could do with the package manager but im unsure how to go about it

[analog igloo]

i guess its not too bad using it now

but still have to get used to it lmao

[west fable]

does anyone kno why my avatar looks like this but in unity it looks like this when i upload it the hair turns white and theres no shading but when i build and test its fine

[near ice]

can someone help me make this quest compatible? the model in the unity picture is the android one

also whenever i change outfits in pc, it turns my avi naked in quest

[ornate stump]

Possibly it's because the animation that swap materials.

[near ice]

yea i think i fixed it

left one being my pc avi and right one being my quest

but now i dont know why this boot is weird

[lilac musk]

Flipped normals

[near ice]

im assuming triangles and bones are a blender thing right?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[green lance]

Wonderin why some of these are greyed out and i cant see them even tho they arent masked with the slashed eye

wait nevermind im a dummy

lol

they werent checked in the inspector

[ornate stump]

Greyed out label means object is disabled. The eye toggle is "hiding in editor" which isn't the same as disabling object.

[foggy nova]

F

🙁

:c

😔

[woeful stag]

has anyone got like a base bone structure, nothing else just like the bare minimum to upload an avatar

or is there like a thing i can goto/press to get something like that instead of having to make one from scratch

[eager radish]

hi does anyone know how do people make their skin interactable like this?

[ornate stump]

https://wataame89.booth.pm/items/4108136

[eager radish]

thank you

[hidden anchor]

when making physbones on an avatar, are you able to use a chain of bones to act as one phybone or do I have to use multiple just to apply the same physics to that set of bones

[ornate stump]

You put one physbone component to affect on every child bones.

[hidden anchor]

thank u

[round comet]

If you use toon standard you can turn off culling to fix this

[plucky berry]

how can we set a fallback? cuz my main avi i cant make vrc generate a new imposter for it

[somber sequoia]

I thought that got removed?

[plucky berry]

yeah it did i think but my fallback still exists and its legit an invisible avatar, i want to make it something that people can actually see not some invis avi i made like 2 years ago]

[void mango]

Y'all, which sdk should I use?

[somber sequoia]

3.10+

[void mango]

Bet

[somber sequoia]

3.10.1 is the latest, last I checked

[void mango]

I was wondering why my sdk kept breaking

But it was at 3.9

[somber sequoia]

yeah that one's pretty buggy.

[gaunt knoll]

Sounds like 3.9

[void mango]

Wtf

Tf does this even mean

[somber sequoia]

Look in the console window and screenshot the first 2-3 errors and don't crop the console window. that one is not useful on its own.

[void mango]

Nvm, it disappeared

Bruh -_-

[somber sequoia]

also not useful by itself

[void mango]

I sent the other errors

[somber sequoia]

Please read what I said, it was very specific.

[void mango]

I didn't crop anything though

[somber sequoia]

we can't see the right side of the console window with the scrollbar and the error count.

[void mango]

Ohh

Mb

The errors go too far

[somber sequoia]

nor can we see the first 2-3 errors in their entirety.

[void mango]

I can't even see the full error

[somber sequoia]

don't expand the errors though, the summaries are fine.

[void mango]

That's all I can put

[somber sequoia]

Exactly like that, thanks. Unfortunately those errors aren't really helpful 🙁

[void mango]

Those are the only errors in the whole thing

So, it's probably just the fact that vrchat uses very useless sdks

[somber sequoia]

yeah the error reporting is pretty awful.

[void mango]

Ik

But why does it say something about an object reference not being set to an instance of an object?

[somber sequoia]

really hard to say without knowing what object, and it never really tells you that

[void mango]

Like, the only object in it is a grandfather clock and that worked fine

[somber sequoia]

well no, everything is an object

[void mango]

Fair

[somber sequoia]

"object" in the programming sense

[void mango]

I'm just gonna use a different sdk

This sdk is horrible

[somber sequoia]

you really need 3.10 - anything before is buggy and before 3.9, unsupported

[near ice]

anybody know how to fix this?

[somber sequoia]

explain "this"

[reef zealot]

Is there a way to find every animation that references a specific object or blendshape on it?

[somber sequoia]

personally I grep through my .anim files, but that might not be what you are looking for

[reef zealot]

grep?

[reef zealot]

Armature Link, like every VRCFury tool, only applies on upload. Have you tried uploading it?

Actually, is that a Unity editor screenshot or an in-game screenshot?

[somber sequoia]

grep is a unix tool for searching text files.

[reef zealot]

Ahh, I'm on Windows

[void mango]

All of these sdks are horrible

None of them work

[somber sequoia]

grep is available for all platforms, should you actually want to go that route.

[void mango]

What is that?

[somber sequoia]

I was responding to Goblin Mode

[void mango]

Oh, nvm mb

[reef zealot]

I mean, I'm willing to use whatever works

But Google searching suggests it's Linux only

[somber sequoia]

it's not linux only, but realistically I don't suggest it if you're not the type who would be ok using Linux 🙂

that said, animation files are just text files, so searching them for text strings does work

[reef zealot]

How do you search them for text strings?

[somber sequoia]

again, I use grep for this. I don't use Windows so I have no idea what to suggest there.

[near ice]

yea ingame its also weird

[void mango]

Ykw, vrchat is just making quest users experience worse

They've literally removed the majority of our features, and let pc keep them

[somber sequoia]

they haven't "removed" anything though.

[near ice]

hips are attached properly but the arms arent

[void mango]

Sounds, file sizes, different shaders

They went from 40mb for quest to 10mb

[somber sequoia]

sounds were never a real option, nor were "different shaders"

[void mango]

Sounds have always been an option

[somber sequoia]

also it's 40MB uncompressed, 10 compressed.

that is entirely false.

[void mango]

So, you're denying that sounds were on quest?

[somber sequoia]

there have been loopholes and hacked SDKs, but nothing official

[void mango]

Then they need to stop making everything worse

[somber sequoia]

sounds are disabled on quest specifically to not make things worse though

[void mango]

And why is that?

Sounds worked perfectly fine when they were around, not a single issue

[somber sequoia]

apparently sound is expensive and an easy way to cause crashes, even if your anecdotal evidence says it "works fine"

but anyway, this argument is a dead horse.

[void mango]

Expensive? How on earth is a sound expensive, it's literally a sound

[void mango]

Kind of like you saying sounds weren't a thing -_-

[somber sequoia]

"expensive" in terms of processing time

[void mango]

But honestly, real question here

[somber sequoia]

you hearing sounds on quest avatars does not mean they were ever official supported.

[void mango]

Why did they ban bloodborne?

[somber sequoia]

because it breaks the rules in the terms of service

[void mango]

So, they want us to only use Unity?

[somber sequoia]

bloodborne ran in unity, you always have to unity

[void mango]

Bloodborne itself was a game

Then it got used for avatars

[somber sequoia]

oh I thought it was just a hacked up SDK, I've never used it.

[void mango]

What's the true issue is the sdks

They're literally buns

[lilac musk]

buns?

[desert vale]

I mean, the features including bypassing a bunch of limiters looking at the github so I doubt that's putting it in vrchats good graces lol

[random ridge]

Bloodborne the game and bloodborne the modified VRChat SDK have no correlation

[void mango]

Like bruh, I spent three days making an avatar, everything was going fine, I could upload it, then the moment vrchat uploads a new sdk update, the whole thing breaks and I need to restart it

[desert vale]

Have you... updated the sdk
Dumb question but, did you actually update the sdk

[somber sequoia]

okay that's what I thought

[void mango]

What do you mean by that? As in the sdk in the project manager?

[desert vale]

Are you using creator companion or something else

[void mango]

Yep, cc

[desert vale]

If creator companion, in creator companion

[somber sequoia]

at one point they did say they were using 3.10.1

[random ridge]

After the current version you probably won't have to for a while unless there's an issue

[desert vale]

Still worth triple checking that the specific avi is on the correct version, both the regular and avatar sdk

[void mango]

Do I need to update creator companion to 2.4.5?

[desert vale]

You have to update both as well

[void mango]

Cause I'm kinda three updates behind

[desert vale]

I can tell you mines months old, idk how old but

Wouldnt hurt regardless

[lilac musk]

Keep everything up to date unless told otherwise

[void mango]

Well, for some reason, 3.10.1 wants to crash every 10 seconds

[desert vale]

Does it crash every 10 seconds on a fresh project or in any projects besides the one currently being worked on

[random ridge]

I'll be honest here I've never had an SDK update break anything and I've been doing this for 3 years both worlds and avatars

[somber sequoia]

some of them have been exceptionally buggy for me, but this one seems to be ok so far

[random ridge]

I have had the SDK break itself though lol but that's easily fixed by reinstalling the SDK

[desert vale]

This will help narrow down if its a unity issue or something specific to their project
I lean towards their project (esp woth the bloodbourne stuff) but it can be sdk/Unity related

[void mango]

What versions of unity is the best to use?

[somber sequoia]

2022.3.22f1 is the only one to use.

[void mango]

Then it's not my unity causing it

[lilac musk]

Buggy? Sure, and somewhat to be expected as making things is hard. But straight up crash every 10 seconds? Nope, not in my 7 years messing with this stuff

[void mango]

And this bs shows up again

[void mango]

I wasn't serious about every ten seconds

[desert vale]

Its a windows program. Stuff corrupts all the time. Have you been able to confirm if its happening on a fresh project yet?

[random ridge]

What's going on in your console?

[void mango]

Is my only choice to restart three days of work?

[random ridge]

No that is not your only choice

[desert vale]

Not even close to that yet, but the console message suggests an avi issue (not that its related to the crashing)

This is literally "does unity itself crash"

[void mango]

No

It's just the same annoying errors all the time

But it doesn't seem to happen on a fresh one

[random ridge]

Your console will tell us what's wrong

[void mango]

There it is

[lilac musk]

Then you might want to start pulling the assets form the first project into a new one. Do it one thing at a time. If the error shows up, then it was likely cause by the last thing you imported or a conflict of the last and another.

[void mango]

That would most likely take longer than three days tbh

But I'll try

[desert vale]

Before this
Vrchat sdk -> reload sdk

And then try again

[random ridge]

Simply drag your avatar into your project view and prefab it and then take that and the files for your avatar and move it to a new project

[void mango]

Never seen that before

[desert vale]

May as well try the dumb easy stuff first

[random ridge]

Ye

[void mango]

Found the reload thing

[desert vale]

Im not at my desktop right now so I cant take a photo of where it should be

[void mango]

Just testing now

Got these errors now

Wait

I deleted the Id by accident

[somber sequoia]

your pipeline manager has a red symbol like you deleted it or something?

[void mango]

And the old stuff are back

Same errors as usual

So, for prefabs, would I go to the project file and copy the assets over then copy the prefab?

[random ridge]

You can prefab anything in your hierarchy by simply dragging it into your project view

[void mango]

I've made a prefab already

[lilac musk]

You can even make your scene a unitypackage and drag that into the new project

[void mango]

I see

[random ridge]

Have you uploaded this avatar before?

[void mango]

Yes, then it broke straight after the sdk update

[random ridge]

Do you have multiple pipeline managers?

[void mango]

There's only one

And it broke again

On a fresh one

[static sparrow]

what am i doing wrong????

[somber sequoia]

yellow means the paths are not right, they should be from the avatar root, but you seem to have done this with an animator on the prop itself, not on the avatar, so everything will be one level higher than when it's on the avatar.

hfcRed has an animation repathing tool that'll probably be useful for you right now.

[static sparrow]

is it this one?

https://github.com/hfcRed

[gentle gyro]

how do i make a normal map for moist skin?

[grave ruin]

So when a booth outfit comes with its own MA menu that uses deletion of blendshapes to fit stuff I can't use a toggle to enable the outfit because it breaks and the body parts won't vanish plus the menu stops working. Is there a way to get around it or am I just forced to use only that outfit on one avatar?

[gentle gyro]

.

[near ice]

does anyone know why the arms are still tposing? ive tried different armature combos but still nothing

[arctic ginkgo]

if you're trying to create water droplets, you can use substance painter if you have it

if you just want your avatar to be glossy then normal maps are not the way to do it

[gentle gyro]

cant costs money

[arctic ginkgo]

inrease the specular

[arctic ginkgo]

if you are a university student you can get it for free

not sure if you are but good to put that info out there

[gentle gyro]

i aint

[arctic ginkgo]

but like i said, normal maps won't by themselves make the avatar look moist

you would need to increase the specular

that's the shiny-ness of a material

[gentle gyro]

how do i increase it?

or you mean the metalic

[arctic ginkgo]

no, the specular is different

[arctic ginkgo]

well you usually find it on the material properties and increase the slider

you can also create a specular map in put it in the slot

i don't know what shader you're using though, so i couldn't tell you where it is or if it even has it

[gentle gyro]

what do i do

[static sparrow]

is there another way of toggling an animation? cuz when i toggle it it doesnt actually animate. it just moves a tiny bit then freezes

[arctic ginkgo]

looks like your shader doesn't have specular, what shader are you using?

[gentle gyro]

standard

[arctic ginkgo]

i would try using a custom shader, like poiyomi, or even one of the mobile shaders, like toon standard

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm not really sure what you're asking here tbh

[gentle gyro]

can i get poiyomi?

new to avi creating

[somber sequoia]

Yep, that's the one I meant

[arctic ginkgo]

there a few different ways of getting an animating to toggle, but i'm not sure which one you're using or if that's even the source of the problem

https://www.poiyomi.com/download#method-2-alcom--creator-companion

this will just add it to your VCC

makes it really easy to add to projects

[gentle gyro]

ah ok

[static sparrow]

i did use this to fix the paths and they are no longer yellow

but now the animations just dont work when i toggle it

[arctic ginkgo]

okay, how did you create the toggle?

[somber sequoia]

obviously we can tell you nothing from just "don't work" - some detail would help

[void mango]

I recommend using vrcfury

[static sparrow]

i put the toggles in the wrong folder and will change that later. i just dont understand why it just isnt working now compared to earlier

[arctic ginkgo]

first thing i'm noticing is that you're using vrcfury, so if the animations stopped working, then were you using vrcfury to change the place the music box is in the hierarchy?

[arctic ginkgo]

?

[void mango]

For toggles

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm not asking how to create a toggle, i'm helping star with fixing theirs

and i personally like to stay away from vrcfury if possible

[somber sequoia]

same.

[void mango]

Ohh

Mb

[arctic ginkgo]

nearly every time i've helped someone and it's taken hours or been a total pita it's been an avatar using vrcfury

[void mango]

I only use it cause I have absolutely no idea how to create toggles the harder way

[arctic ginkgo]

that's also part of the problem 🙃

it's fine for beginners, but if you don't learn how to do it manually, then you don't know how to debug when something goes wrong

[somber sequoia]

there are many many tutorials, if you want to learn.

[void mango]

I've done avatars for two months now, so I'm still a beginner

[static sparrow]

i used a dif thing to make the toggle itself. i think its just called toggle creator. all it does is make the path itself. ive used this method for pretty much everything and just added my own "on" animations and havent had an issue with it. but this is my first time trying to do an animation and not just toggle something on or do a texture swap

[arctic ginkgo]

i guess i meant to say casual beginners. If you plan on learning and aren't just doing it to get an avi or two on your account then it's best to learn it the "hard" way first so you understand what's going on under the hood

[void mango]

I'm just starting with vrcfury, then after my prelims, I'll learn the better way

[arctic ginkgo]

ah alright, i've never used toggle creator so i'm not sure how it works, but it might be best to create everything yourself

and toggles are really just what controls the parameters, you can toggle between two states if you want, but you're not limited to just that

using the unity animator is programming a state machine, you can do a ton with them if you learn the basics of how they work

I think an easy way to understand state machines is they're kind of like flow charts. If you can create a flow chart of the behavior you want, you can make a state machine for it

[static sparrow]

is there any easy to follow tutorials? the word documents vrchat has for it is too confusing for me personally

[arctic ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y

[somber sequoia]

haha I was just about to link that one

[arctic ginkgo]

this is a good tutorial on making a basic toggle, but it's good not to just follow the instructions, but try and understand why everything works

then you can apply those skills to creating something new

[gentle gyro]

hey can i have a world constraint prefab so i can make one of those cool scary avatars

[somber sequoia]

you shouldn't really need one though

[arctic ginkgo]

you can use a VRC parent constraint with "freeze to world" enabled

it should come with the latest VRC SDK

[gentle gyro]

ah how do i make one

[somber sequoia]

Sunshine just answered that

[fresh quartz]

My avatar is all pink in game and not in unity

[somber sequoia]

possibly an animation is swapping a broken material onto it. Does it happen in play mode in Unity (assuming using gesture manager or avatar 3.0 emulator)

[fresh quartz]

Ok so when i am in vrchat and i put on the avi its just all pink

But in unity its perfectly fine

[somber sequoia]

yes, you just said that

[void mango]

Wait a damn minute..

I think I found the problem with my avatar

[arctic ginkgo]

have you used gesture manager or avatar 3.0 emulator?

[fresh quartz]

I will try to get gesture manager soon

One sec

[void mango]

Use this shader:
Vrchat/mobile/particles/additive

[fresh quartz]

Ok one sec

[arctic ginkgo]

?? why??

[void mango]

Cause that's what you're required to use for particles on quest

[somber sequoia]

what has that got to do with this question?

[arctic ginkgo]

they never said they were using particles? unless i'm missing something that was said earlier

[round comet]

[void mango]

One second, let me reread it

[fresh quartz]

No its just the whole avatar in game is pink

[void mango]

Ohh

Then vrchat/mobile/toon standard

That's the main one

[arctic ginkgo]

well

first of all

[arctic ginkgo]

are you on quest or PC?

[fresh quartz]

I did that yesterday but ingame it is still pink

[fresh quartz]

Quest

[void mango]

It's your textures in that case

[arctic ginkgo]

okay, and if you test with gesture manager, does it turn pink in unity?

[fresh quartz]

Ill have to try once im home.

One sec

[void mango]

👍

[fresh quartz]

Im 2 mins away

Ill @ when i try

[arctic ginkgo]

most likely, what kazin said is correct, you're likely swapping to a broken material

[void mango]

Oh yeah, do y'all think the problem with my avatar was the fact that I used a blend file model rather than an fbx?

[arctic ginkgo]

if you're on quest, it may also be a PC only material, which gets removed from your avatar on upload

[somber sequoia]

I always suggest exporting a .fbx from Blender and using that, never a blend file.

[void mango]

Correct, learnt that when my first avatar looked like a watermelon

[somber sequoia]

You get no control over how it's exported in that case.

[fresh quartz]

Ok how would i find this problem? If gesture manager doesnt fix it

[void mango]

Yeah, I accidentally used the wrong model 💔

[somber sequoia]

ah

[arctic ginkgo]

gesture manager doesn't fix it, it just helps you find the problem

[fresh quartz]

Ive clicked on all textures and. They have no pink

[void mango]

I only realized it when I checked the armature again and noticed the light and camera 🙏

[fresh quartz]

Oh okkk

[arctic ginkgo]

if it turns pink when using gesture manager, then it's a broken material. If it doesn't, try checking what material is on the avatar and see if it's a mobile shader or not

[fresh quartz]

Ok if anything i could share screen

Later

[arctic ginkgo]

if it's either pink or not using a mobile shader, you'll need too fix the shader used by the material

[arctic ginkgo]

there's no VC here but you can send screenshots

[void mango]

It also helps you check if your effects and items are offset

[fresh quartz]

Yes ok so i am using toon standard also

Ill send some screen shots here in a moment.

[void mango]

Was just about to say

[arctic ginkgo]

when you use gesture manager does it still use toon standard?

[fresh quartz]

Let me check ill have to add the gesture manager in unity

Ill @ u once im done here

[molten bloom]

uhm has anyone had this before ive been making an uploading avis for like 2-3 years an have never had this before

[somber sequoia]

make sure you used the right account

[near ice]

so im trying to attach a prop that messes with FX layers and the prop breaks because of Write Defaults, is there a way to fix this?

[somber sequoia]

Of course - which does your avatar use?

[near ice]

i had this too, i simply closed vrchatsdk and it worked

[near ice]

how can i check what it uses?

[somber sequoia]

it's a setting on each animation state

that message is basically saying that in most cases you want to use the same thing for all animation states.

[molten bloom]

i am, idk what i did but it jus started working a weird thing to jus pop up tho 😭

[somber sequoia]

cool - you'd be surprised how often people aren't 🙂

[near ice]

im a bit slow, where do i go to check?

[somber sequoia]

animation states. Those are the boxes in the animator other than entry, exit, and anystate.

[near ice]

oh yea i found something

write defaults on

seems like all the animations use write defaults

[somber sequoia]

okay then you'll probably want add-on props to also do that

[fresh quartz]

@arctic ginkgo Abt to add gesture manager now.

[near ice]

this is an animation for the prop i wanna add, im assuming i just turn it on for all its animations?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not going to suggest either way since I don't know what the package does

[near ice]

mkay

thanks for the tip

i'll try turning them all on

[fresh quartz]

Ok so what do i do now when i add gesture manager ? @arctic ginkgo

[somber sequoia]

use it to go into play mode and observe your avatar. debug as needed

[somber sequoia]

ah good - so it's definitely a material swap causing it to be pink. You can inspect the materials while in play mode to see which material is on the avatar now, and why it's broken

[fresh quartz]

Ok so how would i get there? Im so sorry im new to all this

[somber sequoia]

find the mesh object and look in the section about materials

[fresh quartz]

So click on the bug and go to meshskinning.gpuskinning correct?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what that is

[somber sequoia]

huh I've never clicked that. But I meant go click on one of the mesh objects in the hierarchy and look in the inspector at the material list

[fresh quartz]

Here correct

[somber sequoia]

yeah see on the right it says "none" - that seems weird.

also wow you have a lot of objects there

[fresh quartz]

Ok. So should i put the body material there?

[somber sequoia]

if you're in play mode, you're looking at this to see what an animation has done - making changes now will not fix anything. You'll need to find what animation is doing that and make it do whatever it's supposed to do. Or disable it if you don't want it to do this.

[fresh quartz]

Ok stupid question lol where do i go to find the animation im sorry im acting very dumb rn

[somber sequoia]

in the animator

[fresh quartz]

So go to gesture manager? And then.?

[somber sequoia]

I'm sorry, I can't really guide you through this right now, I'd suggest some tutorials to understand how the animation works

[fresh quartz]

This?

[somber sequoia]

no, that's an animation, not the animator

[fresh quartz]

Ah ok found the animator

[somber sequoia]

well that's the window where you can work on an animation

[fresh quartz]

Is there anything here unusual?

[somber sequoia]

@fresh quartz I don't do private help in DMs, if that was your intent with the friend request.

[fresh quartz]

Oh no i js wanted to friend u idk why

But do u see anything unusual?

[somber sequoia]

I see nothing, that's the animator window, not the animator currently active

[fresh quartz]

How would i make it active?

[somber sequoia]

probably there's a tutorial about debugging with gesture manager

again, I can't hold your hand through this, all I was doing here is confirming that you probably do have an animation swapping to a broken material in game.

[fresh quartz]

Ok sorry ill search a tut rq and then lyk what i find

[somber sequoia]

no need to let me know, but feel free to ask the channel for further help.

[fresh quartz]

Could anyone help me out im trying to figure out how to activate the animator

[somber sequoia]

if you're in play mode, click the avatar itself, that should cause the currently active animator to be displayed in the animator window

[fresh quartz]

Sadly i didnt find anything with materials

Anyone know where i would go to find what animation is messing with the material causing my avi to be pink?

Can anyone tell me how to fix animations swapping to broken material im in animator

@somber sequoia hey kazin quick question now that ive found animator where would i go to find the broken mat?

[somber sequoia]

without actually looking at your avatar, I have no idea what's in it, so can't really tell you where to look

this part of debugging you'll have to do

[fresh quartz]

Oh okkk so do i look for it in the parameters tab and just go through everything and find the mat?

[somber sequoia]

this is why I suggested tutorials about how to make animations like material swaps. If you know how to do it, you'd know what to look for.

[fresh quartz]

So i have to make the material swap?

[somber sequoia]

I didn't say that.

[fresh quartz]

So how would i get to the material tab to fix?.

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what "material" tab you mean? Again, all the advice I have at the moment is to find whatever animation is causing the problem.

[fresh quartz]

And where would i go to find that? Im already in animator

[somber sequoia]

as I said, I have no idea what your animator looks like.

[fresh quartz]

Could this be a issue

Ima js send a screenshot of this right here

[night ember]

None of that really shows what the avatar actually has

[fresh quartz]

Im lowkey getting confused so my avi has a folder named fake index and in there has anims and when i click on the anims index that screenshot above is whats in there in animator

[night ember]

Thats the gestures

Yknow hand poses

[fresh quartz]

Yea

So do i go into gogoloco?

[night ember]

Why would you need to

[fresh quartz]

Im so lost ima send a screenshot of my assets and can u please tell me where i go for the animations

[night ember]

Go into the fx on the actual avatar

[fresh quartz]

Now when i click on the avatar in the hierarchy the animator shows this

[night ember]

Click on the actual fx

[fresh quartz]

Im new to this where would that be at im sorry if im making this difficult

[night ember]

the fx slot

[fresh quartz]

Thats weird i cant seem to find the fx slot

[somber sequoia]

where are you looking for it?

[fresh quartz]

I dont know how to find it either omg im so slow

[somber sequoia]

this is a good text tutorial, I suggest you read it all:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar

[tight saddle]

Hello~ does anyone know how to fix "floating" positions? Like these kneeling and criss cross posings. Standing looks completely normal and touching the ground

[fresh quartz]

So i read the whole thing and its trying to make me create a material swap

@somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

again, I can't hold your hand on this

there is literally nothing here I can help you with beyond what I've done.

[night ember]

you kinda need to go through the animations on the avatar yourself and find it

[somber sequoia]

Yep, I've said that like 5 times already

[fresh quartz]

Ok so heres the thing i dont know how to get to the animations…

[static sparrow]

ive gotten closer but cant get the animation to loop properly

[somber sequoia]

I also told you several times that if you watch/read tutorials on how to make animations, you will learn where those are. If you're not going to do that, there's nothing anyone here is going to be able to help you with, and you might consider commissioning someone to do the work for you.

[fresh quartz]

So i believe i found it

Correct?

[somber sequoia]

no.

[night ember]

can transition to self

[somber sequoia]

those are sample animation controllers.

[night ember]

you need the one ON the avatar

[fresh quartz]

I dont even think it has animationsss

[main remnant]

What are you trying to do?

[somber sequoia]

fix an animation swapping to a broken material in-game

[main remnant]

That should be rather easy

[somber sequoia]

gotta find the animation first

[static sparrow]

THANK YOU omg i thought i was going insane

[night ember]

if it keeps transitioning to itself its going to keep on restarting the animation

[main remnant]

I checked this tutorial a couple of days ago to learn how toggles work. This should help you big time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y

Just gotta use the mesh renderer instead of the game object

[somber sequoia]

oh it's not me, but thank you. @fresh quartz ^ you may want to watch that.

[noble chasm]

does anyone have an example hierarchy for the vertex of a humaniod rig, Im having trouble and it doesn't seem to be clear in the documentation

[night ember]

vertex groups are just your bone names

[noble chasm]

maybe it is a different issue but when I imported into unity it wouldn't allow me to recognize it as a humaniod rig

and it said there was an error with hips

[night ember]

and said error?

[somber sequoia]

that's different than the vertex groups - feel free to show the error message though

[noble chasm]

yes

[somber sequoia]

Also there's an ideal armature diagram pinned in #avatar-rigging

[main remnant]

Yeah the hierarchy doesn't matter at all for that. The important thing is that the bones are on their expected place. Sometimes it doesn't recognize them even if they are properly set, but you can manually select what bone is which to fix it

[noble chasm]

a

sorry if this is very wrong im completely new to this

[somber sequoia]

refer to the diagram I mentioned

[main remnant]

That topology tho 💀

[somber sequoia]

oof, I hadn't zoomed to see that

[noble chasm]

😿

is there an example project file

sorry im really bad with computers just got my first laptop

only had phone before

[main remnant]

Learning the basics of Blender would be a nice first step

[noble chasm]

I understand

[main remnant]

You just need to place the bones like the diagram that was linked to you. You can create the armature by extruding the bones and properly placing them. That's very basic, watch any tutorial on the matter

E to extrude. G to move bones. R to rotate

[fresh quartz]

.

[main remnant]

Wrong shaders

[fresh quartz]

Thats why the avatar is all pink in game?

[main remnant]

Yes

[night ember]

are you uploading to quest side specifically?

[fresh quartz]

Yes

[night ember]

you can only use vrc mobile shaders

[main remnant]

If you added me so I can help you, we have this chat for that btw

[night ember]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

[fresh quartz]

Ok so to change shaders do i go to my clothing textures?

[night ember]

the actual material file itself

[night ember]

and why would you need to be added in order to help?

[main remnant]

I don't know. They added me and I can't see any other reason

[fresh quartz]

Hmmm thats weird

Let me try to find the file

[main remnant]

You should pick the mobile compatible shaders, but if you downloaded your avatar and it's expecting those shaders, you'll probably have a hard time making it display properly

[fresh quartz]

It wont let me change the shaders for my materials

[somber sequoia]

embedded material, you'll need to make a new one and swap

[fresh quartz]

I see now it wont let me delete the old one for some reason

[somber sequoia]

that's correct

[fresh quartz]

So do i just leave it there?

[somber sequoia]

wait, old what?

[fresh quartz]

Old mats

Im making new ones and putting mobiles shaders

[somber sequoia]

I'm not really sure what it is you are doing here, sorry

[fresh quartz]

Wait so how would i swap the embedded mat?

[somber sequoia]

make new material, drag it into the mesh renderer

(and also deal with any material swap animations)

[sinful pond]

Hii I've been having trouble making clothing toggles for a avatar I've bought recently I have zero experience in this but I've been watching looking up info and tutorials but I just dont get them the avatar brought everything needed appearently as well if anyone can help itd be appreciated 👍

[somber sequoia]

ask specific questions.

[fresh quartz]

Ok so where fan i find the mesh renderer im starting to see how to fix it

[main remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y
I've learnt toggles watching this video

[main remnant]

Update SDK

You need 3.10

[fresh quartz]

There is no mesh renderer for me

Nvm

Its embedded also

[main remnant]

I highly suggest watching some tutorials

[somber sequoia]

I've been saying that all afternoon, it's been ignored.

[sinful pond]

Would clothes go in the prop category or in the accessory category? Or does it not matter?

[night ember]

technically doesnt

[fresh quartz]

My mesh renderer is also embeded

[main remnant]

Doesn't make a difference for what you want to do. The whole idea is to make a toggle that makes the item (prop, clothing, whatever) appear or disappear depending on what your toggle is claiming

[night ember]

have you considered clicking the drop down

[sinful pond]

Ok!!!!

Ty!

[fresh quartz]

It wont let me change anything on it.

[main remnant]

Yes we read that and suggested you how to work around it. We can't be making a step by step guide of a particular problem. If you need help with something specific we can give you an idea of where to go or how to learn. We're not ChatGPT to help with every little detail

You can always try to pay someone to do it for you if you don't want to learn how stuff work and just need this specific change and nothing else ever again. If you want to keep doing changes in the future, the best way is to learn by reading documentation or watching some tutorials

Or even finding an avatar that already does that, and trying to understand how it does it. IMO that's the best way to learn

[fresh quartz]

I may have figured it out my avatars remapped mats were set to none

[noble chasm]

I apologize but am I missing how to update or am I looking the wrong palce

[proven cedar]

How to pose one arm and cast as one toggle?

[somber sequoia]

I believe you want to go into "manage project"

or some wording like that, I don't use VCC

[main remnant]

Yes "Manage Project" and update SDK Base and SDK Avatars

Should be 3.10

[viral elbow]

how do i make my avi quest and pc compat?

[night ember]

upload to both android and windows

[viral elbow]

yes

[arctic ginkgo]

you need to upload it to both Windows and Android. Install the Android build target and then in the SDK Control Panel it will let you swap between them as well as set overrides for each platform and do a multi-platform upload

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits

[viral elbow]

where do i get the android build target?

[arctic ginkgo]

through Unity Hub or in the editor through File>Build Settings

[viral elbow]

ohhhhhh okie

thankssssss

[arctic ginkgo]

click on android and there should be a button that says "open download page"

[noble chasm]

I updated and this happned

[arctic ginkgo]

looks like you already have it installed, so you should just be able to switch platforms from the control panel

[viral elbow]

okie

last time i tried it broke everything

[arctic ginkgo]

broke how?

[viral elbow]

like it got tooken down on vrc

do i check both pc and quest boxes?

[arctic ginkgo]

yes, as long as you're sure the avatar is compatible with both platforms. If not, you can always make a quest-specific version

[arctic ginkgo]

it got deleted?

you would have likely gotten a suspension if it was against ToS

do you mean that it got server checked and failed?

like when you load it it's just a robot

[viral elbow]

it was just a nom avi non nsfw it

when i load in it say unavlable

[arctic ginkgo]

okay, so it likely failed security checks

[viral elbow]

yeah

[arctic ginkgo]

what this means is that either your avatar is really unoptimized, or that there's something on your avatar or in your project causing it to be flagged

if you have any broken scripts make sure you remove those

[viral elbow]

okie

[arctic ginkgo]

also just make sure everything in your project is up-to-date

if that doesn't fix it, my best advice is to just try and optimize things like material slots, mesh count, particles

[viral elbow]

okie

[night ember]

What even are the stats

[shut bough]

could someone tell me what setting in the shaders I am missing that controls this lighting setting?
In unity her ears are color matched but then in-game just the ears are affected by the world ambient light. I've been messing with settings and doing a trial and error thing but its taking forever and I'm lost. q v q Please and thank you!

shader is liltoon!

[viral elbow]

imma try to upload to Q/Pc

[night ember]

But what shader

[shut bough]

sorry! liltoon!

[proven cedar]

Could anyone help with this? I want to be able to toggle the cast on when it toggles on the left arm is already pose inside the cast. But not sure how to do it

[arctic ginkgo]

probably needs anchor override

[arctic ginkgo]

try setting the anchor override to the same bone for every mesh. I would reccomend setting it to the hips

[night ember]

Left hand in the animator tracking control

That or constraints to brute force it

[arctic ginkgo]

you can use the action layer controller for this, you need to add an avatar mask for just the arm to the layer in your action controller, and set up a toggle there that controls sets the weight of the action layer and sets the tracking control to animation for the arm (these are both state behaviors). If you have "emotes" on your avatar, this might interfere with those, so make sure the logic for changing the weight of both your action layer and the layers within the controller won't override your emotes or make your body freeze when emotes aren't playing

[vapid oar]

So I realized I got too many separate objects on my mesh, like 1 for the head, legs, and body, I wasn't sure how bad the textile density would be so I just made 3 so I had plenty. Now I realize that was way too much since vrchat is complaining about it, am I able to bake all of the color map onto just 1 mesh if I combine all the pieces? And will they retain the weight painting and everything too

[shut bough]

I just tried it and it doesnt seem to have worked unfortunately 🙁

[night ember]

I dont see why weight painting wouldnt just stay

[proven cedar]

Would it be okay if we could vc? Or Dm? So I can understand it better?

[arctic ginkgo]

if you want to go the constraint route, I would suggest having two empties attached to the cast/sling, one at the end where the hand goes and one where the elbow goes. Then set up an aim constraint on the upper arm and lower arm for their respective transforms. All you should need to do is animate the contraints to be enabled/disabled on toggle

[gentle gyro]

who knows how to texture realisticly?

like cyber chimp realistic

[arctic ginkgo]

if you just join the meshes into the same object they will retain textures and weight painting. If you want you can rebake the textures onto one texture in order to reduce material slots, or you can atlas them (less optimized). You can also use masking and/or UV tiles to map each texture to each part of the mesh in material settings, depending on the shader you use (poiyomi for example can use decals)

[viral elbow]

?

[vapid oar]

I see thats nice, I just realized id probably have to redo my uvs since I messed something up along the way and got rid of my seams, still retained the uvs though ofc

[arctic ginkgo]

sure, i think the constraint route might be easier and more effective though depending on what bone the cast/sling is parented to

[proven cedar]

The chest

[arctic ginkgo]

i believe you can marks seams based on the edges of UV islands

[vapid oar]

Are you fr? I was thinking about that but that makes it so much better

Good to know

[arctic ginkgo]

your avatar uses shaders that aren't compatible with Quest

[night ember]

You can only use vrc mobile shaders on quest

[night ember]

He just uses blender

[viral elbow]

would that affect pc veiwpoint

[arctic ginkgo]

you need to change the shader to one of the shaders in VRChat/Mobile like the error says (excluding world shaders)

[arctic ginkgo]

no

[viral elbow]

okie

[arctic ginkgo]

These are the shaders you can use on Quest avatars (all within the VRChat/Mobile folder):

• Toon Standard
• Toon Lit
• Matcap Lit
• Standard Lite
• Diffuse
• Bumped Diffuse
• Bumped Map Specular
• Particles/Additive
• Particles/Multiple

[arctic ginkgo]

you can bake maps from higher-poly meshes and from blender shaders, you can find already-made realistic materials, and you can make textures and maps based on photos of objects/textures

https://cpetry.github.io/NormalMap-Online/
https://huggingface.co/spaces/prs-eth/marigold

here are some websites to help generating other maps from images

[proven cedar]

I added you

[oak lynx]

is anyone able to help im new to uploading avis and am finding it hard on what to do in general

.....

someone please help me if yk whats happening

[viral elbow]

it says theres no bones

[oak lynx]

im just so confused 🙁

[main remnant]

It looks like there are no bones

[viral elbow]

yeee

how do i fix this?

[main remnant]

Rigging it

[viral elbow]

ohhhhhhhh

[noble chasm]

is there a blender project file or template of a working model that is a basic human/humaniod

and can you add clothing seperately and where could you buy them

[robust herald]

just installed the vrc cc yesterday idk if i have everything?

[slate stone]

I imported this fbx file from Blender and the texture were fine but when I upload it in Unity it becomes transparent.
What to do
They are all Opaque in the texture setting

[robust herald]

do i need 2022?

[main remnant]

In the last 15 minutes I've rigged a model. It's really easy. Look how to do it

You should add clothing on blender and weight paint it

[main remnant]

I guess you have the texture images in your PC, import them to your project and I think the materials show update showing them. I think you are missing the textures and that's why you don't see the mesh. Could be wrong

[main remnant]

Yes

[robust herald]

also...

*dead*

[main remnant]

ignore

[robust herald]

huh?

[main remnant]

If I'm not wrong you can still upload the avatar even with those messages

[trail marten]

Hello everyone, im new to making vrchat avatars but quite experienced with blender and a little experience in unity

i just need some help with an avatar i am trying to make and i cant seem to find the issue

it is a very minecraft coded model so im not looking for full finger wrist and ankle tracking just the limbs

this is what my rig looks like

i get this error when i try to go into the avatar configurator

[pure thicket]

have you weight painted it

[trail marten]

yes

all meshes have weights

well its one mesh obv

all the parts have weights

this is what shows up in the configurator

the bone names seem to be correct from what i can tell

[pure thicket]

ohh you might have to manually assign the bones in the configuration, if you havent

[trail marten]

oh?

also how come the right upper arm shows up but not the left

the rig is symmetrical

odd isnt it?

[pure thicket]

yeah

[trail marten]

can you please help?

[pure thicket]

are they assigned properly then?

[trail marten]

a closer look at the bones and bone names

[main remnant]

Sometimes it just doesn't find the bones even if everything should be perfect. You can manually assign the bones to the proper place in Unity

[trail marten]

how do i check that

[main remnant]

In that very screen on the right

[pure thicket]

below the man diagram you posted on the right, it lists the slots

[main remnant]

Just as clarification. Properly naming the bones is just for clarification and a good practice, it really doesn't matter. But having them properly named will help you do this step much easier

[trail marten]

yes i see that, how do i assign that to the bones, from what i can tell this isnt the armature i made

[main remnant]

For example I've just uploaded an avi rigged like this

[somber sequoia]

ugh, that would annoy me

[pure thicket]

in the hiearchy on the left, you should be able to drag the bones you want into the right slots

[trail marten]

mine looks like this

[trail marten]

i see

[main remnant]

Unity just displays the bones like that. You can select the bones manually

[main remnant]

I just forgot to name them ngl

[trail marten]

should i have this?

[pure thicket]

in your hiearchy? yeah

thats just your mesh

[trail marten]

also just to make sure, have i added bones to the hair correctly? because its currently assigning HairA_1 and HairB_1 to left and right eye

[pure thicket]

you can just remove that

[main remnant]

On this screen, the bones that are not properly assigned will show in red. Click where the arrow is pointing to select the proper bone

[pure thicket]

hair will be affected by physbones i assume

thats a seperate thing

[trail marten]

have i named the bones right?

[pure thicket]

i dont think it matters

[trail marten]

ok

[somber sequoia]

yeah bone names are only for your own reference and sanity

[trail marten]

what happened here?

i noticed it wasnt using the right bone for hips so i changed it and this happened

[pure thicket]

i cant actually read what that says

[somber sequoia]

it tells you exactly what happened there

[trail marten]

spine transform 'spine' is not a child of hips

should these not be connected? parented instead?

thats the joint between the spine and hips

[pure thicket]

are the hips the parent?

[somber sequoia]

the spine hierarchy must go: hips -> spine -> chest -> upper chest (optional) -> neck -> head

[trail marten]

they are connected

[somber sequoia]

connected doesn't matter, but the parent-child relationship does

[main remnant]

One is parent and one is child. They are backwards

[trail marten]

let me check

ok i parented the hip to spine in blender let me re-export

[somber sequoia]

does that mean the hip is a child of spine? that is wrong.

[pure thicket]

Anyway I actually came in here to ask my own question lol

[trail marten]

oh dear..

[trail marten]

no no other way around my bad

[somber sequoia]

if you re-order the armature you'll probably have to redo the rig setup, set it to generic and apply, then redo the humanoid setup.

[pure thicket]

Does anyone know if you can have a physbone chain connnected on both ends to the mesh without it deforming weird? I want to create like a loose rope that can be pulled taught.

or if theres another way to do this, let me know

[somber sequoia]

you can't, they're one way

oh to the mesh - you can paint it to mesh however you want

[pure thicket]

damn, any experience creating a similar effect though?

[pure thicket]

im just assuming the mesh attached to the tail end is gonna deform super weird

i wanted to see if anyone has done something like this before i start experimenting

[somber sequoia]

I haven't

[trail marten]

ok now im getting this

[somber sequoia]

weird, probably go back to blender and fix that too, I'd bet that bone's head and tail are at the same point, which you don't want.

[trail marten]

they are not

[somber sequoia]

huh interesting

[trail marten]

i moved it a little to the side temporarily to show, the dotted line is the parent influence, is this correct?

[heavy zephyr]

If you want to avoid deformations you'd likely mean more bones and limit how much each can stretch.

The problem is, only the last bone in the chain stretches so that leaves you with just creating a lot of bones if you want realistic movement-

[somber sequoia]

correct - but I think I see the issue

[pure thicket]

im thinking maybe two bone chains pointing towards eachother?

[somber sequoia]

stick that bone's head to its parent's tail - that's what the connected checkbox does

Unity doesn't actually know a bone's length, it judges that based on the next bone's position, and it only cares about heads.

[trail marten]

ok that fixed it

i had to flip hip bone around but it worked

[jaunty haven]

my avatar doesn't seem to save the blendshapes I edit in unity. It works until I go into gesture manager or in game.
i have a lot of parameters because of face tracking but cant seem to find any animator that would change her blendshapes

[somber sequoia]

make sure you're on SDK 3.10.1 - previous ones were really weird with this

[jaunty haven]

Definetly updated that! Im not sure if theres an annimaton im missing. Is there a way I could make a new animation for it and force it to swap?

[trail marten]

ok everything is setup correctly i believe

how do i export it out into a vrm

[somber sequoia]

you can always make new animations that do whatever you want

[trail marten]

i have the fbx in the heirarchy

[somber sequoia]

red limbs does not look correct to me

[jaunty haven]

Ill try it

[trail marten]

i dont need those, do i set it to none?

[somber sequoia]

for vrchat you do?

[trail marten]

i need to assign wrists and ankles?

[somber sequoia]

if you want it to be humanoid you need hands

and feet

[trail marten]

i dont want hands and feet

[main remnant]

For humanoid you need hands and feet. Fingers and toes are not necessary

[left wharf]

then you should use generic - non humanoid avatar

[trail marten]

oh alright

wait there isnt a configurator now

is it just done?

[left wharf]

note that if you want to make generic avatars, you'll need to make all animations like movement, jumping and all other things

[trail marten]

what

[somber sequoia]

just give it hands and feet bones, you don't have to weight paint anything

[pure thicket]

you can just make invisible hands and feet

[trail marten]

what if i just have bones with nothing parented to them on the rig

yeah ill do that lol

[somber sequoia]

no need for digits

[trail marten]

got it

what do i name the hand and feet bones?

LeftHand RightHand?

LeftFoot RightFoot

[main remnant]

Peter and Alfred. Doesn't matter

[trail marten]

i keep forgetting you can just assign them 😭

[somber sequoia]

I generally do Foot.L and Foot.R

the extensions help Blender know to mirror them when needed, for things like weight painting.

[trail marten]

actually you can use this format too

[somber sequoia]

you can, yep.

[trail marten]

that works for symmetrize

ok we're set

[left wharf]

lol

[somber sequoia]

hahaha

[trail marten]

ok so what do i do for export

vrc avatar descriptor i believe

[sharp bluff]

Bro WTF am I doing wrong ? I’m trying to convert to quest. I’m at 11.53 mb when I need 10mb…I look on google they say “try deleting some bones”, I delete some bones and BAM…I’m at 11.58 mb…WTF

[somber sequoia]

bones shouldn't make any real size difference

[sharp bluff]

What should I do then ,

?

[somber sequoia]

read #quest-optimization for clues, it's been discussed over and over

[sharp bluff]

Oh sorry- i didn’t know their was a channel for it

[somber sequoia]

also #avatar-optimization but probably the quest one is more focused

[trail marten]

les go

[mortal knoll]

once again, yet again, i cant upload my avatar 😡

this always happens vro

[somber sequoia]

feel free to share details

[main remnant]

For Quest or Windows?

[mortal knoll]

windows

[trail marten]

is this preview accurate

the image aspect ratio is 3/4 same as 1200x900

[somber sequoia]

there's a bug report that the aspect ratio on that is stupid

[somber sequoia]

that first error is your problem

[trail marten]

what should i make it so the whole picture shows up

[mortal knoll]

so what do i do

[somber sequoia]

remove some of the stuff you've got on there - don't have the whole kitchen sink

face tracking takes up a LOT of parameter space, it's annoying

[mortal knoll]

ok

bet

i'll get rid of that

[somber sequoia]

if you don't use it, definitely get rid of it

if you do... get rid of other stuff 🙂

[trail marten]

what aspect ratio pls 😭

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea, maybe read that bug report if you can find it

[trail marten]

i have 1:1 and 3:4 both

[somber sequoia]

I only know of its existence, since it's mentioned a bunch in the beta channel

[mortal knoll]

kazin the most useful guy so far

[somber sequoia]

only sometimes

[trail marten]

it says online that its 4:3

so

ig ill use that

[main remnant]

Try 16:9

[trail marten]

isnt that for worlds

[main remnant]

I thought you tried 4:3 already that's why I said it

[mortal knoll]

me shall be gone >:3

[main remnant]

1200x900 is exactly 4:3.

[trail marten]

no the preview is dumb according to kazin

[proven cedar]

I did an aim constraint could someone help me make it look like the 1st pic and tell me what went wrong

[main remnant]

I always upload panoramic and it always displays good

[trail marten]

ok guys im uploading

lets hope it goes well

[main remnant]

This looks 16:9 to me.

[somber sequoia]

I may be misremembering, did a quick search in discord and the suggestion is to use 4:3. Funny.

[desert vale]

Its like 900x1200

...that may be worlds actually

[main remnant]

That's a vertical rectangle

[trail marten]

worse comes to worst ill export again if the thumbnail isnt right