avatar-help

[naive copper]

And I know it's out there, I've seen SOO many avatars that has this little lamp effect

But I have yet to find the right person to actually help me with that

[arctic gate]

i pressed apply shapekey so maybe that will work

[somber sequoia]

it'll apply that shape key to the basis, but I'm really not sure why you want that

[arctic gate]

there we go it worked thanks!

[sour sparrow]

dang... do you know of any way that i could get a solution?

[somber sequoia]

I suppose you could commission someone?

[sour sparrow]

is it that bad to where i would have to get a commision for help??

[mental topaz]

seems to now only play sound upon toggling the object on. not when something enters the contact

[somber sequoia]

I couldn't say what you can or can't do. I feel that it's basic logic that you have to work out in the animator, but I imagine if you haven't done this stuff before it'll be harder.

[sour sparrow]

i gotcha... i jus dont know where i would start, especially if you said if its just an animator thing... ima play around with some stuff

[somber sequoia]

Argh! I just spent the past 20 minutes reworking something only to discover I'd moved one of the objects a teeny bit below the origin.

of course I don't have enough undo either, welp, this'll be fun.

[sour sparrow]

good luck

[stark meadow]

seperate the hair entirely as a different layer and make the toggles change that seperate hair value

like for your eyes and hair just make it change the eyes and add a parameter driver that changes the hair to a different value

[limpid cargo]

i agree

[pallid anchor]

hallows!! im having a problem where my hand in vrchat isnt where the hand is on my avatar, my left hand is showing where my right hand is, its pretty far off, if someone could help i would appreciate it :]

[somber meadow]

Is this an avatar you created from scratch?

[pallid anchor]

correct

[somber meadow]

this looks like you named your bones incorrectly and they're mapped in unity that way as well

Left/Right should represent where the avatar's point of view would be

[pallid anchor]

ah wait i see what i did wrong LOL

[somber meadow]

just a simple rename in blender of the leg/arms and fixing the rig in the configurator should do it

[pallid anchor]

thanks!

[strange saffron]

I keep running into these errors with the poyomi shaders, can someone help?

[errant comet]

Those are warnings, not errors. If you are able to use poiyomi, there isn't a problem with warnings showing

[fierce glen]

so I have everything installed...I just need help finding where a kobold base wuld be because I want to make a well edit a kobold avatar to my liking.

[errant comet]

Look at the console again make sure you have errors visible, you want red, not yellow or white. Either something with thry is broken or something else in your project is that is preventing thry from compiling. Also the Poiyomi discord that is shown in that panel for help is a better place to go. Do the steps the panel shows to troubleshoot

[strange saffron]

unsure if KaideArt is the type of kobold you might want but you could check his videos to make one

[fierce glen]

who is that

[strange saffron]

like this (realized only now that how to find the red ones

[strange saffron]

he's a furry artist and kobold streamer

[fierce glen]

how is that suppoed to help me

I dont even see bro on youtube

does bro have a base

[strange saffron]

https://youtube.com/@kaideart?si=FCBxwYqJ4AjvsLKf

Unsure if he sells his base but still might be useful to check out

[fierce glen]

I need one thats free

I also dont see where any of his bases are

🤔 anyon got any?

[tall sedge]

no sdk , only thing in consle

[somber sequoia]

#1138520828556890214

[fierce glen]

that was for if you wanted to find one to use not to edit

[left gull]

avatar search is for finding avatars/avatar parts in general, editing is using them technically

[fierce glen]

🤔 is it active

[fierce glen]

so I uh got a package

I have no idea what to do with it

[somber sequoia]

define "package"

unitypackage?

[fierce glen]

I bought a whole avatar

[somber sequoia]

in the menu: assets -> import package -> custom package, pick the file

[stark meadow]

if you have unity open you can just double click the unitypackage

[fierce glen]

I see

now I do have instructions

[willow carbon]

hello,
can i turn off backface culling for vrchat mobile's toon lit shader?
i can do it for toon standard but oddly not for toon lit

[fierce glen]

one is connfusing

[somber sequoia]

nope

[willow carbon]

hmm

so i'll need to recalculate normals on blender

[fierce glen]

it sayd open prebuukt scene that I dont't see

[left gull]

Prebuilt scene?

it should look like a unity icon somewhere, or if the instructions list the name you could look it up in the search bar

[fierce glen]

so I ran it and like 90% of the things are taken off the avatar for the quest version

[somber sequoia]

that sounds about right

[fierce glen]

can I like put things on it selectivly?

[hot anvil]

im in blender, i'm trying to weight paint these socks and they're doing this? is there a way to fix this?

it has nothing to do with weight painting, it looks fine when its in a normal standing pose.

nvm fixed it

[fierce glen]

bro...uh I used the quest one but I cant uplod it as android

[limpid cargo]

maybe, but possibly this can mess with the creator’s setup.

[limpid cargo]

please check download the “android” build module in unity.

[fierce glen]

where is that

i dont seee that

and the gesture manager hs a missing keyfab

[strange saffron]

why are my textures/meshes acting so different

(ping if solution found)

[fierce glen]

I need one on one help, preferably when I can screenshare

[left gull]

most people here arent willing to do hand-holding help

if you bought a package, followed its instructions and it didnt work id contact the model's creator

[fierce glen]

its only 5

for how to open it

and put it in

thas it

theres nothing else on if anything is missing or anything like that

[tall sedge]

drag it in

[fierce glen]

drag what in

[tall sedge]

the Package? sorry a bit high figured you meant a unity package

[fierce glen]

the gesture mager is gone

[tall sedge]

ah, creator comapnion, you need to import it

[fierce glen]

its already inported

[tall sedge]

the gester manager is in creator comapnion

oh.

[fierce glen]

everything from the file in inhere

[tall sedge]

remove it. and reimport

[left gull]

gesture manager isnt really needed unless you're testing the model in unity, you could delete it from the scene and just upload if that's your goal

[fierce glen]

I cant upload to quest

[tall sedge]

your not on a quest build

[fierce glen]

inported and have been using quest

[left gull]

for that project?

[tall sedge]

it says windows..

[fierce glen]

yes

[tall sedge]

at the top

so its not

basicly: if the build was quest the top would say android

wait did they change it on me,

[fierce glen]

how do you change it

[tall sedge]

oh, no wait. ok sorry second guessing myself

one sex

sec*

the, file> buildsettings

[left gull]

File>Build Settings>Android

[fierce glen]

it still isnt working

im still a robot

[left gull]

what do the model's stats look like in the upload panel?

[left gull]

are there any yellow warnings in the panel maybe talking about texture size?

[left gull]

i mean.. from these screenshots it doesnt look like there'd be anything major causing it to fail a security check but it is pretty unoptimized for an out-of-the box quest variation sadly, perhaps try looking into VRCQuesttools to try and optimize it a bit that way?

[fierce glen]

idk how to do that

[left gull]

https://kurotu.github.io/VRCQuestTools/

they've got a whole Doc on how it works and how to add it

since it seems like you likely dont have any blender knowledge to try and manually optimize it

[fierce glen]

hmmm Ijust clicked the add to vcc nd it did it

easy

[tall sedge]

Control panel is missing , unfortunately this is the only error. And I don't know how to trouble shoot this one

It is a repeating error every time I try to load the build tab

Already tried resetting editor loggging out , logging back in , reinstalling sdk and stuff like that

It seemed to point to a package inside vrchat sdk

[somber meadow]

what's the details of the error, and what SDK version, and Unity version are you on

[junior void]

bummer you didnt name the project 404

[tall sedge]

haha fair enough XD update: deleted library folder and it fixed it

[wheat horizon]

I was wondering if anyone had any tools to make it easier to connect blendshapes to toggles, I was originally using shape changer from modular but it seems to break on multiple outfits

[ornate stump]

Modular avatar. Otherwise, vrcfury.

[wheat horizon]

please read it fully

[ornate stump]

And you have already got the second option.

[wheat horizon]

ive used that too

Blendshapes break when the toggles are on multiple outfits

[ornate stump]

Can you explain how it's breaking?

[wheat horizon]

unity doesnt like when blendshapes are set to multiple things, so it breaks. I dont really know how to explain it more than that tbh. Ive used various tools for vrcfury, modular, and even av3creator and it just doesnt like the toggles on more than one thing. If im missing a button or a setting that would be appreciated but most tutorials , sites, and other help doesnt give me more detail than how to make the toggle but not include blendshapes in more than one.

[junior void]

i use vrcf for literally everything and this is the first ive heard of that

it would help if you described what you mean by "break" - like the blendshapes go whacky, the toggles no longer work - what is it youre expecting

perhaps share a concrete example with pictures

[wheat horizon]

well for example, when other people make avatars with different outfits they have a body shrink to prevent clipping, I for some reason cannot figure out how to do that with more than one outfit as having body shrink on one outfit will break when set on others

i currently cant provide pictures

[junior void]

okay that makes sense as both toggles then try to control the same blendshapes on the body

[wheat horizon]

yes

[junior void]

this is what you would use exclusive tags for

[wheat horizon]

I am unsure how to set that up in terms of blendshapes

[true saffron]

I saw the person next to me find this on the wall of avatars. But i cant find it myself. Anyone knows? It was cool so i want it

[ornate stump]

The base is called Rindo in booth.pm.

[wheat horizon]

the avatar base is rindo

[true saffron]

I see. Thanks. Thought it was filian

[wheat horizon]

No filian just didnt give credit to the creator (and it wasnt payed for) until people called her out for it

[wheat horizon]

Anyway in terms of blendshapes how do you set that up with exclusive tags without making like a menu item for it?

[junior void]

well, they are a toggle action so you add the to the toggles

if you want finer control such as mixing clothing pieces that technically arent meant to be worn together, youll have to manually create the logic in an animator and if you then still want vrcfury to be involved, use their driver component (forgot what its called)

"full controller" thats what its called

[night ember]

didnt credit, ripped it, tried making money off of it

[wheat horizon]

yepp, didnt know how much i could say in this server

[night ember]

like directly stole that specific one

[wheat horizon]

and others

[night ember]

yes

[wheat horizon]

thank you for the help pointing me in the right direction, ill do my best to figure this out and hopefully figure out what I need to fix up on my model

[wheat horizon]

really quick am I supposed to untick "Apply to all renderers"?

[junior void]

depends entirely on what youre doing

[idle scaffold]

ok so im wanting to make a dragon ball avatar, and ive never created an avatar before. i plan on following tutorials for that part. but does anyone know how to add like a super saiyan aura? or where to get models for the thing i wanna make

[waxen smelt]

what should i add someone sent me things to add so i can buy them im going for a 2000s scene look

[junior void]

that made little sense to me

"someone sent me things to add so i can buy them" yet you ask us what should you add? add what was sent to you?

[limpid cargo]

the checkered belt
converse sneaker
many bracelet
black pant

that look is so pretty…!

[waxen smelt]

thank youuu

[limpid cargo]

💗

[waxen smelt]

I mean like sent me links of clothes,hair,pants and etc

[sour sparrow]

hey sorry, ive been trying to create a sub menu but idk how to put my toggles into the sub menus

i looked up multiple videos and im still really confused

[ornate stump]

How did you create toggle?

[sour sparrow]

through my expressions menu

but i created another one for the sub menus like the video said

[ornate stump]

So what is the problem?

[sour sparrow]

i dont actually know how to organize each toggle i wanna organize into the submenus

[somber sequoia]

entirely up to you

[sour sparrow]

i have the submenus i need but i dont actually know how to stick the toggles into the specific submenus

[somber sequoia]

you edit that submenu and add stuff to it just like you do to the main menu

[balmy barn]

rare you need a parameter entering a submenu

[sour sparrow]

i took that away

[ornate stump]

You're already doing that though.

[ornate stump]

Or rather I understood you another way. You should create another menu file and you should have submenu file the same amount as submenu control you have. Each submenu take their own file.

[earnest spruce]

Hey there i wanted to ask if thers a way to toggle individual Components with VRCFury?

[dark saddle]

animation toggle

in the animation file, toggle the component, or properties.

Also, VRCFury isnt an offical VRChat tool. For the best help, go to there discord

[earnest spruce]

oh ok thx

[sour sparrow]

it doesnt actually apply the submenu when i emulate it tho

[ornate stump]

How is it actually now?

[sour sparrow]

see it didnt do anything

[ornate stump]

Did you actually make toggle with vrcfury?

[sour sparrow]

no i made them traditionally

[ornate stump]

Only in FX controller?

[sour sparrow]

yes

[ornate stump]

Traditionally, it shouldn't create the "Next" button by itself. That came from tool like vrcfury and modular avatar.

[ornate stump]

Also, have you actually double checked you had the correct menu file assigned in avatar descriptor?

[strange saffron]

Asking again since it's been a few hours (pls ping if solution found)

[somber sequoia]

explain how this is setup?

[sour sparrow]

yes

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot to confirm the assignment?

[strange saffron]

Vroid model, added a few extra clothes, textures should have alpha enabled for transparency, in Unity it's poyomi shaders, in Blender it's the usual vroid toon shaders iirc

[ornate stump]

Is the menu this file in your image? The name at top got clipped out. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730948173379535022/1421507749774102751/ss2.png?ex=68d949c1&is=68d7f841&hm=c70ad4ebcdacc4f5aef4c82f206063481fc584c36ef217c1729c2a02f8eddfcd&

[somber sequoia]

well stuff isn't going to look the same in both without some work - it looks like the usual vroid in unity issues, by default you'd need transparency for stuff to look right. you can see this on the eyebrows.

[strange saffron]

the shader info in blender

[ornate stump]

Have you changed poiyomi render preset to anything but opaque?

[sour sparrow]

i figured it out, thank you!

[ornate stump]

So what went wrong?

[strange saffron]

in Poiyomi

[ornate stump]

You haven't changed render preset.

[somber sequoia]

change "opaque" to "cutout" at least.

[strange saffron]

omg thank youuuu

y'all are miracle workers

[ornate stump]

And if the main texture already has alpha, you don't need to put it in alpha map.

[sour sparrow]

I had my original expressions layer as the one with the toggles, but I copied it, made one for each submenu I needed, then made the main exmenu for the submenus

[strange saffron]

is it possible to make normals double sided?

[somber sequoia]

... what's that mean?

[strange saffron]

like this wrist cuff thingie

[ornate stump]

That rather means disabling face culling.

[somber sequoia]

that's not a normals issue. You either need back-face geometry or to disable backface culling.

[strange saffron]

how would I disable backface culling with the materials I currently have in Unity?

[ornate stump]

See in your material settings.

[strange saffron]

ah it's in render

thank you again

[somber sequoia]

avoid using this if you can, it increases render time/difficulty. Sometimes you have to though.

[sour sparrow]

aight ive got one last issue i think, so ive got custom gestures, and I have a toggle where the hands change, but when I turn in the toggle, the hands dint change

[sharp nest]

I've been having this mind-numbing issue with an avatar I'm trying to edit. I import the FBX into blender. I export it. Looks fine in unity. Collapses into a block in VRC.
-The original FBX works just fine
-I've redownloaded blender AND unity
-All the export settings are correct
-I've checked the transforms, applied all, yada yada
-Still the same issue

I'm missing something. I'm going to restart my PC as a last ditch effort. Anyone ever had this issue who can pinpoint the problem?

[somber sequoia]

Did you unpack the model in Unity?

[sharp nest]

..uhhh no lemme see if that does the trick

[somber sequoia]

no no

don't unpack it

[sharp nest]

oh

[somber sequoia]

that's a common cause of weird issues updating a .fbx

[sharp nest]

i did not do anything, i just replaced the fbx in the assets folder

[somber sequoia]

That should be fine, assuming you used the same export settings as were previously used

[sharp nest]

i just use the export settings that are normal for vrchat avatars i guess..

but it still just..uh. crushes itself

here are my export settings

i think i'm actually just cursed

i always get freak issues

[somber sequoia]

Could be a bunch of things - maybe those aren't the settings previously used. You could try to redo the rig setup. I can't really see what's going on, the image you posted is teeny.

[sharp nest]

I'm going to try to have some sort of workaround
I'm thinking I could add a gesture menu toggle that allows me to turn off parts of my avatar, which was what I was trying to do in blender originally

they are all seperate parts in blender, and there is already one hide toggle so I'll see if i can work off of that

[somber sequoia]

sure, easy enough to toggle objects on and off

[sharp nest]

should i get a tool for that, or is it doable without any extra unity packages?

this is my first time doing this..

hhhuruhahahghh

[somber sequoia]

that's just basic unity animation stuff, no need for any extras

[sharp nest]

oh ok awesome

I'm seeing a lot of tutorials for seperate models, but not any for removing individual parts from just the avatar

[somber sequoia]

just toggle off the GameObject - checkbox in the upper left.

[sharp nest]

I'm sorry if my questions are vague or if I fail to understand,
all the things that i want to toggle off are in here, but there are things I don't want to be toggled off in here as well

[junior void]

separate meshes into their own objects

[sharp nest]

in unity?

[junior void]

cant

blender

[sharp nest]

that's the issue..

[junior void]

really easy tho

[somber sequoia]

Or toggle the stuff off in another way. Possibly via shape key, possibly UV tile discarding.

Separating the parts is easy though

[sharp nest]

its SO easy to just do it in blender but GOOD GOD it DOES NOT want to WORK

[somber sequoia]

?

select faces, hit 'p', export as usual.

(likely rename the resulting object to something useful)

[sharp nest]

the avatar just crushes itself and my camera view is slightly higher than it should be whenever i put it through blender

[junior void]

try to tick "apply transforms"

[sharp nest]

i did...

[junior void]

a guess based on experience

[sharp nest]

i literally did everything..

i can try again

[junior void]

your frustrated and mad, you likely dont pay attention to detail anymore

[somber sequoia]

Yeah apply all transforms in Blender if you haven't, but otherwise there's some quirk about the way you're exporting now vs. how it was done before.
Try exporting to a new filename and dragging that in the scene, to verify it looks okay.

[junior void]

id suggest a break and a tea

[somber sequoia]

tea++

[sharp nest]

Q_Q alr

[junior void]

i see a floating origin

good start

[sharp nest]

is that bad

thats gotta be bad

[somber sequoia]

the avatar's objects' origins should be at the world origin in most cases

[sharp nest]

god dammit thats the issue is it

or am i being hasty

[somber sequoia]

it's definitely a large issue

there may be more issues though 🙂

[junior void]

the avatar collapsing in play mode usually isnt cause by weird origins

it has to do with transforms

[sharp nest]

i fixed the transforms before, but

[junior void]

some avis have it ticked and if you export without it, it does that. some have it not ticked and it happens with it

[sharp nest]

oookayh

...the origin was the issue.

bruh

ok the avatar is done now

thank you

i have more understanding and less brain matter

[junior void]

LOL

[limpid cargo]

i love tea

[sour forge]

im currently confused as to what im needing to fix, can someone help?

[balmy barn]

find the shader change it, reduce your vram size , too high resolution something , bounding box is pretty big (probably wont stop upload)

[amber pivot]

😭 still need help with this if anyone has a clue how to fix it

[sour forge]

Thanks ^~^

[somber sequoia]

Need much more info - how is this setup?

[wintry ledge]

yall when i dragged the avi in,my whole scene is gone,where my grid go 😭

[vocal egret]

By any chance does someone have an example of a station that overrides a player animation? I am having trouble getting those to work and was wondering if there was a prefab or something I could use as a working example?

[amber pivot]

the setup is how you would make contacts (i used sipp's guide on it) where its just "hat on head > hat in hand" and the setup for the contacts with your hands
its weird cause the mirror shows the hat normally but it just not in my hands when I look at it. There is no headchop on it nor on the avatar itself.
i reused the FX many times before and none of them had this problem of the item not showing in your hands but only in the mirror

[somber sequoia]

I'm not personally familiar with Sipp's guide. My best suggestion is to test in Unity in play mode, verifying in the animator and parameters and such that each step of the process functions as you expect it does.

[heavy zephyr]

Is the hat attached to your head bone by default?

[somber sequoia]

... that's a great question

[amber pivot]

the bone for the hat isnt connected to the head in anyway, i use constraints for it so it can be on the hat or in the hand

[heavy zephyr]

Could you show me that constraint setup by any chance? Just to make sure

[balmy barn]

dont really see a need for a parameter driver here

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I was hoping for more detailed explanation of the setup, I'm not sure why that's there either.

[balmy barn]

hat need to be a seperate object since you plan on moving it to other places

[amber pivot]

i do check in playmode like everytime i make a new toggle and it seems it works in playmode

[heavy zephyr]

Could you show how the hat and the constraint are setup in your hierarchy please?

[amber pivot]

sipp's guide on it had the driver stuff so I never really thought to get rid o it
im not too smart with contacts stuff😭

[amber pivot]

oh yeah sorry
for just the hierarchy, i have hat (the mesh), hat (the bone for it) and other hat named things for the head and hand placements
for the constraints on the hat (the bone), its just the parent constraints and phys bone collider

[heavy zephyr]

That's interesting, it's within your armature but not on your head and yet constrained to your head anyway...

I'd say easy thing to try is to put a headchop component on it and have it set to always be fully scaled.

[somber sequoia]

what is "hat bone" here?

[amber pivot]

😭 WAIT i may have found out why it wasnt working

[heavy zephyr]

Mhm?

[amber pivot]

😭 for some reason i straight up just didnt remember putting headchop anywhere in the avatar but i found one and it fixed it
it was like hiding from me underneath a bone i never click on

[heavy zephyr]

Weird, it shouldn't affect everything by default but eh

[amber pivot]

i think i made scale thing to 0 to fix something then i straight up forgot i even put it there in the first place to fix the problem😭

[heavy zephyr]

Welp

There you go

[amber pivot]

i been working on this for a couple of weeks so of course i forgot🥹

[mental topaz]

anyone know how to make an audio clip play when the contact receiver hits something? tried it with the animator but no luck. only plays sound when toggling the object on

[somber sequoia]

Yes, that's what you do. You use the contact receiver to set a variable that you then use to turn on a game object with the audio player.
Or use VRC Animator Play Audio.

[mental topaz]

What?😭

[somber sequoia]

Can you be more specific?

[mental topaz]

thats about as specific as i can get. Want an audio clip to play upon the object hitting something. i have everything set up, animated it, and instead of playing upon contact it plays when the object is toggled on

[somber sequoia]

no I meant in your "what?" question - what part of that do you need explained

If you already have it setup and something isn't working, please explain the setup in detail

[mental topaz]

both ngl lmfao. im not sure what u mean by having the reciever set a variable

[somber sequoia]

contact receivers set animator variables when activated

you trigger an animation using that variable

[mental topaz]

which i did

but no luck

at least i think i did

[somber sequoia]

Okay cool. Then you'd need to show how this is setup or something

[mental topaz]

are u wanting to see the layer in the animator?

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what to tell you without an understanding of what you have done so far.

[mental topaz]

ive added the receiver, added the sound source, went to the animator, created a clip, when recording the animation i turned the sound on, made another clip of the same thing but the sound off, went to playable layers, clicked on FX to open the animator, created a bool in parameters, created a new layer in layers, then added the on and off animation to they new layer. by default its off, made a transition to the on state, set the transition to true, then made another transition to the off state, setting that transition to false

all named the same

[somber sequoia]

All of that seems reasonable. You've got the audio clip object off by default, right?

[mental topaz]

yes

[junior void]

Do we know if the logic itself works

Is the bool being driven

[mental topaz]

that one, i do not know actually

[junior void]

Why not

You can test it in grsture manager

[mental topaz]

so wait are u asking if the object toggle works?

[junior void]

Im asking if the contacts work

[somber sequoia]

I'd say verify toggling the variable on and off does what you expect before you link that to a contact receiver.

[mental topaz]

how does one tell if the contact works in gesture manager. i have an empty set up with a sender so i can make them touch but dont know how to tell if its actually receiving

[somber sequoia]

I add a small sphere to my scene, and put a contact sender on it. Then in play mode, I move it into the contact receiver and watch the effects.

[mental topaz]

thats what i did

[somber sequoia]

You verify by watching the animator parameter change

[mental topaz]

ah

[junior void]

If the contact drives a parameter, gesture manager has a param screen where youd see it change too

Under the debug tab iirc

[mental topaz]

so with the sender literally inside the receiver, the parameter is still showing false. so its not activating as it should

[junior void]

Thats a good hint. Whats the receiver set to accept?

What tags

Is the tag matching with sender

[somber sequoia]

Also local/remote

[mental topaz]

ope, i just realized there is no tag on the sender lmfao

lemme fix that

[somber sequoia]

aha!

[junior void]

Getting there

[mental topaz]

alr now the tags are the same, but it is still showing a false state

[junior void]

Still a good hint

Is it set to allow self?

If its under the avi

[mental topaz]

it is not

[junior void]

Now we need to see some images

I dont remember all settings on contacts out of my head

[somber sequoia]

There's one about constant vs. on enter/exit

also proximity

[mental topaz]

trying to use my head contact as an example to maybe see what im doing wrong as to why the bool parameter is not working? but everything is almost close to matching. only difference being is it doesnt allow self and receiver type is set to "on enter"

[somber sequoia]

On enter will trigger literally on enter and then turn back off immediately

[mental topaz]

so constant might be better?

[somber sequoia]

So if you're trying to observe the variable while the sender is in the receiver, you may miss that

It depends on your use-case really, but constant may be ideal here.

[mental topaz]

ok the contact is working now! after setting it to constant

good sign

now gotta figure out why the audio isnt triggering

maybe its just the animation being done wrong for the clip?

[somber sequoia]

if you want to commission someone, head over to the VRC Traders discord instead, you'll find scammers here.

[narrow lintel]

Oh alright

Thank you

[somber sequoia]

... also there's no reason to cross post that except to attract scammers in DM

(probably you should delete it to preserve your sanity)

[narrow lintel]

I got it under control don’t worry

[somber sequoia]

oh what was it you were doing on action?

[mental topaz]

disregard lmfao

i realised my mistake

i misread the thread lmfao

back to square 1 of why the clip wont play

[red crow]

so I kinda crappily made phonememes on this avatar, but upon testing in VR chat, the mouth doesn't move when I talk (I am on PTT if that jelps) but will open if I open my mouth while Selfie expression is on.

[somber meadow]

screenshot the visemes section in your avatar descriptor

if it's not entirely filled out, it won't work

[red crow]

honestly I just want jaw flap with just an open and close mouth animation, but for whatever reason the way I did it wouln't do it that way. (Like, it would do no animation.) I also used the CATS tool to make the vismemes from some really bad mouth shapes if that also helps

[mental topaz]

does it matter where the reciever and sound is in the tree? as long as the parent is the game object?

maybe thats where my problem resides?

[stray trench]

hey guys how much should i charge for fitting an asset to an avatar? for example if someone gives me a shirt that requires me sculpting it to fit the body properly

[mental topaz]

id ask around in the vrc traders discord to see everyones opinions on how they price stuff

[stray trench]

good idea

[somber sequoia]

as long as it's on an enabled GameObject, it'll work

[red crow]

A good rule of thumb for pricing commissions is (your local min. wage) times how much time it would take, but this is generic advice and it you're looking for 'how much is so much no one will buy' I dunno

[stray trench]

i dont feel like this kind of stuff is minimum wage work though

[red crow]

ok, so then I'd ask

I found that when peopel ask for prices they're asking 'how much is too much' so that's a good well, minimum

so you don't accidentally undercut yourself too much

[stray trench]

that's my issue is i never settled on a good amount so i just undersell everything i do but i cant continue doing that

[somber sequoia]

it's a delicate balance between being paid enough for your effort and pricing attractively.

[mental topaz]

obviously a years supply of vrcplus

[stray trench]

yeah, so far ive just priced my work to be below anyone elses

that was good for getting reviews on my fiver and for gaining experience but im pretty burnt out and this isnt worth the money as it stands, i need to find more info on other people's pricing so i can make this worth my time

i also feel like 90% of people refuse to pay any money at all for avatars because theyre "not real"

so i feel a pressure that if i dont make my prices really low i just wont make any money whatosever

[somber sequoia]

yeah - the tendency for people to drastically undervalue art is really discouraging.

though related, I was in a small gallery in a small but trendy town recently and the artist had lots of $20k paintings which were quite dusty, I wondered how many he sold.

[stray trench]

that is pretty discouraging

[somber sequoia]

well I'm not sure it should be - clearly he sold enough to be able to afford a decent sized gallery full of his art in a place where real estate is expensive. I'm not entirely sure what it says, which is kinda the problem here 🙂

[tame surge]

So I'm modding this avatar to have bell noises whenever it runs around
I just watched Sipp's Vid on Animator Play Audio
I got the Layers set up with the all of the Audio Clips
But how do I make the audio only play when it moves, and how do I add a toggle to turn it off?

[somber sequoia]

You could check if one of the built-in velocity parameters is above some threshold, use that as the movement trigger:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#built-in-parameters

Or perhaps use a physbone and check the parameters on it

maybe the _Angle parameter above a threshold

[strange saffron]

my avatar's axis is by the hip joint instead of the feet, will that cause issues?

[red crow]

#avatar-help message

[strange saffron]

the video tutorial I'm following has it by the feet instead of where it is currently

[magic tapir]

does anyone know how to fix this issue

[somber sequoia]

Your avatar's origin point should be at the world origin

But you may have the gizmo in unity set to center vs. pivot

[strange saffron]

how do I change it to be correct?

[somber sequoia]

Post the first few errors in the console, that one is usually a side-effect

[somber sequoia]

In blender, select the objects and apply all transforms

[strange saffron]

ah I have to go back into Blender? Will I be losing my work or can I copy it over?

[magic tapir]

ok!

[somber sequoia]

Assuming you didn't unpack the avatar prefab in Unity, you should be able to overwrite the .fbx file when exporting from Blender. Use the same export settings as previously used.

[magic tapir]

I did unpack the prefab unfortunately

but i reconnected it

[somber sequoia]

I meant yellingatme, but that's going to cause you problems later

[somber sequoia]

By "first" I mean at the top - I can see you are scrolled down some.
But, that "spine hierarchy incorrect" one is a problem, you'll need to fix that.

[magic tapir]

ohh sorry

[magic tapir]

ok!

i already did agree to ownership when it popped up

[somber sequoia]

ok cool, so yeah, it's the spine hierarchy issue

[magic tapir]

ohh ok

how do i fix this?

should i send a pic of the hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

Sure - but what it says, it seems your shoulders and the neck bone aren't direct children of the chest (or upper chest). Unless you have the wrong bones in the rig setup slots, you'll have to fix that in Blender (or similar)

[magic tapir]

ok!

it does move tho when i move the upper chest

[mental topaz]

@somber sequoia i found the problem

[mental topaz]

literally the simplest thing

the contact didnt have its root set

[somber sequoia]

These aren't named in a standard way so no idea what's what here. Maybe post the pic of the bones in the slots in the rig setup.

[magic tapir]

ok!

[somber sequoia]

putting "Armature" in the hips bone slot is probably wrong, it should be the root bone, not the armature object itself.
"UpperBody2" does seem like it's the chest bone here, so that looks ok

[magic tapir]

ok!

[balmy barn]

whats parentnode, isnt that 'hip'

[somber sequoia]

but you also have a lot of extra spine bones, not sure what they're for or if that's what you wnat.

[magic tapir]

i dont want that

ill try to get rid of them

[balmy barn]

alot of mess (forgot center)

[somber sequoia]

well... remember the thing about unpacking your model? Now you need to go into Blender and rework this, which means you can't easily update it because it's unpacked.

[magic tapir]

ok ill get rid of that

[magic tapir]

ok!

[somber sequoia]

hips -> spine -> chest -> upper chest (optional) -> neck -> head. With shoulders coming from the chest (or upper chest if present)

[magic tapir]

is this better?

im not seeing the spine issue anymore

[somber sequoia]

I'd suggest renaming them more standardly but yeah that looks better. "Chest" here is actually "Upper Chest" 🙂

[magic tapir]

ok!

ill try to upload it now, thank you!

[somber sequoia]

(based on its position in the hierarchy)

[strange saffron]

tried this in 2 ways, both times it is giving the axis at the hips

(there are more clothes hence the bigger than actual appearance)

[somber sequoia]

Again, which reference point are you using for this? In the upper-left of the scene view there should be a thing that may say "center" or "pivot"

(I don't have Unity open, going from memory here)

[strange saffron]

these you mean?

[somber sequoia]

nope

[strange saffron]

wait nvm found it

[somber sequoia]

ah good

[muted wharf]

how do i add faces to my VRM?

[halcyon kayak]

there's lots of kinds of faces. you can use blendshapes, visemes, many workflows and final results. sadly you'll have to be more specific what you're lookin for, if you have examples that helps

[azure hornet]

im trying to make an imposter for my avis, but the site just refreshes and says nothing

[tame surge]

So I'm very new to the animation controller, I'm trying to trigger a bell noise whenever the avatar moves.
I selected the bells physbone, selected Is Animated, named the Parameter Bell Movement
But when I go to the transition from Bell Off to Bell On, Bell Movement_Angle isn't showing up as an option?
Am I missing something?

[timber wharf]

you need to set up same params in animator manually

ie if you need myBone_Stretch, you add float parsam with same name and capitalization to param list of an animator

also just for movement theres builtin parameter https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#built-in-parameters

also making noises on every movement is nay, make sure whole thing is toggleable

[tame surge]

Thank you!

[tame surge]

Actually wanted to ask about that next

[sly frigate]

My Avatar bone are messed up when i go in play mode is there a way i can fix this with deleting something or adding ?

[slow terrace]

I cant upload bloody anything to VRC- not worlds or avatars. Just says "Failed to upload file" and dumps this big mess...
Reinstalled windows (for unrelated reasons) and im still getting these errors, whats going on?

[somber meadow]

is the entire output in the console? Show other errors if available

[slow terrace]

these are the other errors- the rest of what pops up is "shader warning in" and then a bunch of locked poiyomi shaders

this project uploaded before- all I did today was change some materials to different colored versions of the same thing

[somber meadow]

click the down arrow besides clear, is any of the options enabled in there? if so keep them all disabled

[slow terrace]

sorry one sec lol

everything above the yellow seems new since disabling those options

[somber meadow]

I'm mainly looking for any other red errors

warnings and info outputs can be ignored

[slow terrace]

no that last one is the only one

[slow terrace]

seems to be exactly the same as this one

[left gull]

what does the upload panel look like? could be a cause of textures not being small enough or something being too far outside the stat limits

they dont list the issue in console alot of the time but'll fail uploads

[slow terrace]

Nothing out of the ordinary for this particular avatar- but with the failed to upload file thing happening on world projects too with no alerts idk

oh also- the avi just uploaded this time

didnt change anything

which furthers my point of not knowing why this is happening lol

[left gull]

hrmm are you using the most recent SDK release then? it might be a bug

[slow terrace]

Yeah everythings up to date

[left gull]

you could try going back a version and see if it still happens

[slow terrace]

ill give it a shot later- wanted to get this avi uploaded so i could go see a friend

heh

thanks for tryna help!!

[azure hornet]

im trying to make an imposter for one of avis, but the site just refreshes and says "Oh no! We tried, but we failed to generate an impostor version for the avatar"

[left gull]

you could try re-uploading the model under a different blueprint ID and generating that version's imposters

[azure hornet]

i did that and it didnt work either

[left gull]

have you generated 10 imposters within the past 24 hours?

[tame surge]

So I thought that everything was good with the Animator and the Conditons for the Bells,
But when I checked it out in Gesture Manager, no noise was playing
Can somebody point me in the right direction here, please?

[azure hornet]

nope it was the first of the day, then tried it on a completely different avi and it worked fine

[warm junco]

Hello is there a way to test face tracking with just a webcam?

[somber meadow]

your option is either vrchat's built in webcam tracking which doesn't do all the face tracking parameters, or the VRCFT app with FoxyFace https://docs.vrcft.io/docs/hardware/desktop/webcam

[warm junco]

okay ty sm ❤️

[naive copper]

I had noticed something very strange when making a new imposter for my avatar

For a while, my friends and other people has complained about the vismems being very messed up on my avatar, and just recently I had noticed that in the listings of the avatar, vismems are not on there

My other Avatar is which has the exact same one system as my current one, shows that listing, and guess what those ones work

So I had checked on another Avatar which had the same problem, guess what, visemes aren't there either ;-:

I use those custom vismems list, because my character uses 2D expressions, can I even fix this?

[somber sequoia]

by "not there" you mean what, the blendshapes are not on the mesh object?

[naive copper]

Alright
The vismems DO work, but you know in the listings of "features" an avatar has? Vismems are NOT in that list despite it having them.

Along with that, the vismems appear to be very stuttery and tends to freeze

Just to note, I don't use regular blendshapes. I use a custom list meant for material swaps as it's lip sync.

[somber sequoia]

hmm maybe I don't know of this "features" list

[naive copper]

Hold on, I'll pull up a picture

This one uses the same method, but the vismems ARE there, and it works perfectly fine

But this Avatar is the one I'm having problems with, it's not in the listings, and the vismems are not really working as they should

[somber sequoia]

oh that

[naive copper]

I genuinely do not know what the problem is, I'm hoping I can get some help to fix it 😔

[red crow]

I now have a new problem: a lot of animations (Gogoloco, default) result in the legs crossing themselves?

like if the avatar is supposed to be lying down, the legs will cross a little

or if the leggs are supposed to be crossed, not crossed

there was an issue with the bone names being backwards but I thought I solved that

[somber sequoia]

bone roll not 0 for those bones?

[red crow]

....is there a way I can fix that without going into blender, I feel like everytime I re upload the FBX something else breaks

[somber sequoia]

no

[mental topaz]

how does 1 make their audio source louder?

its pretty quiet in game

[red crow]

in any case the bone roll is fine

[somber sequoia]

ah, I figured that was an easy win

[red crow]

Yeah it was already set to 0 so I'm not sure what else the issue was

[vernal moss]

This has literally never happened to me before, my friend is having this issue soooo any ways to fix this???

My Internet is slow so it might take a bit to send

Eh, I'll try sending it later, when my wifi doesn't work like dog shit

[red crow]

...ok, why is the bone on the left leg controlling the right leg and vice versa? you wanna explain that blender (and maybe suggestions on how to fix that)

I'm not sure if it's weights, as it's not stretching both it's just...moving the left leg bone moves the right leg instead

[somber sequoia]

do you mean the left leg bone is moving the mesh on the right side?

because it could be a matter of bad weight paint

the way you said that though it's not really clear what is going on

[gloomy yacht]

what happen to the extra features I could do with this avatar?
same with the other avatars I had, the features are missing?

[somber sequoia]

what features?

[gloomy yacht]

I was able to take off the mask and put on glasses

but not there gone

[somber sequoia]

ah, that'd be under "expressions" there

any menu stuff provided by the avatar would be under that.

[gloomy yacht]

oh

oh thx

[strange saffron]

Does anyone have advice on clothing toggles, adding transitions to clothing toggles, and color changing clothes options?

and also how to fix my feet from clipping through my shoe and acting like it's a wiggly hair rather than a proper foot

[mystic schooner]

Hey, I just made a tail animation that works perfectly fine in the animation bar's preview, but when I hit play, with or without gesture manager, the tail animation doesn't work. I looked in the animator and it was activated, so I have no idea why it's not doing anything

[stark meadow]

physbone on tail have "is animated" checked?

[mystic schooner]

Ah, I might've forgotten that. Thanks

[earnest spruce]

Hey there i wanted to ask if thers a way to make physbones grabbable for pc only users?

[somber sequoia]

Looks like you could do it for desktop users, but I don't see a variable for the platform type.
Look here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[somber meadow]

simply uncheck "Allow grabbing" for the quest build

[earnest spruce]

ok thx ill test it

[somber sequoia]

oh, that'll work

[strange saffron]

Is it better or worse to use blendshapes to toggle on/off clothes

And how do I avoid the skirt from looking glued to the pants

And one niche thing of how do I make the ankle bells jingle with leg movement in VRChat (I had like a bone set up such that the bells couldn't go beyond a certain radius from the ankles and because of that restriction, the bells aren't flying in Blender, but in Unity idk what physics to give it)

[ornate stump]

Using blendshape to hide object with multiple bones is finicky since bone movement still can affect the mesh.

[red crow]

I fixed the legs issue, but I'm still having this problem. picture of vismemes here #avatar-help message

wait hang on

[ornate stump]

Do you still want to use viseme or jaw flap?

[red crow]

this is what I want to have work tbh

jaw flap

[ornate stump]

You have to really make sure that there is no other animation using that blendshape.

[red crow]

how do I check that

[ornate stump]

Go through all animations that you had ever created for it.

[red crow]

I've created 0 myself it's all defaults

so unless there's something lingering from a previous version of the avatar, / gogloco is somehow interfereing there shouldn't be any. where do I check animations

[ornate stump]

In FX controller.

Gogoloco shouldn't interfere with any blendshape.

[red crow]

struggling to find fx controller

[ornate stump]

In your avatar descriptor.

[red crow]

I'm very new to this sorry

ok

i don't have that?

[ornate stump]

In Playable Layers.

[ornate stump]

If it's default then it shouldn't do anything. Have you actually check whether the blendshape itself is working?

[red crow]

if I do the thing with gesture controller, yeah

er gesture manager

[ornate stump]

So you tested with gesture manager and the lipsync work?

[red crow]

...well, it WAS working

[ornate stump]

Does it now?

[red crow]

no, lemme..i dunno redo the phonememe thing

[ornate stump]

Shouldn't have said it's tested and worked if it just stop being working correctly now.

[red crow]

Ok, but I've been fightting this animation issue all day, so I DID have it tested, and it didn't work

anyway redid the phonememe thing it works in gesture manager

[ornate stump]

What do you mean redid?

[red crow]

I set it to default, let it auto generate, though now it's set to vismemes and not jaw flap

let me see if jaw flap works...

[ornate stump]

Don't you want to use jaw flap? Viseme is irrelevant.

[red crow]

yeah, I set it back to jaw flap

[red crow]

tbh I don't know how to get it to just do jaw flap on the blender side so I had a bunch of extra vismemes cats generated

[ornate stump]

You just set lipsync to jaw flap.

[red crow]

yeah _that- part i understand on unity's end

but the place you put in the vismemes in cats asks for 3

anyway testing the avatar

[ornate stump]

Because viseme is not jaw flap. If you want only jaw flap, you don't have to do anything involving viseme.

[red crow]

so then how do I do just jawflap blendshape, just make a single blend shape thing?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[red crow]

aaaand nope still not animating in VRchat proper

[ornate stump]

Does it work in gesture manager?

[red crow]

yes

[ornate stump]

Can you show how you tested it?

[red crow]

https://streamable.com/dmqbcf https://streamable.com/xuz969 (Second video has no mic audio, but I am yelling 'testing testing testing' into my mic and the head motions are me opening and closing my mouth to see if selfie expression catches it like it does on other avatars)

[strange saffron]

Should I separate the meshes at their "on" blendshape, then get rid of the blendshape? Then like toggle the mesh somehow in Unity?

[ornate stump]

Your mic icon doesn't react to your voice, that means vrchat isn't picking up your voice.

[red crow]

...

[ornate stump]

That would work. But you also could use another method using shader to cutout or hide part.

[red crow]

it's looking at the correct mic and everything...

either way, though it's not responding to selfie expression either

[strange saffron]

How would I use the shader to hide parts?

[ornate stump]

Do you see the voice volume level changed in audio settings?

[red crow]

throws something

that was the issue the whole time

I swapped mics

I don't know what's up with my inbuilt mic but my usb mic is fine

so

that's a separate issue to test

but

oh my god

[ornate stump]

It's using alpha map to make the part transparent, or using uv discard. I don't have detail on setting that up though.

[sacred girder]

Looking for help with a 2d face avatar. This is my first time doing this and im not sure whats going wrong. been following a tutorial and everything ive done should have followed such to a tee, but the animations dont seem to be working. is there something i was meant to do with the default? its responding in play but isnt actually doing anything in the scene

my one thought is maybe it needs the animations in the base state- ill try that again

........ viseme was spelled wrong. still isnt working though

can having no transition time break it?

i had one like that idk...

its like 2am and theres no other tutorials on how to do this so im not sure what i can even do if this doesnt work

[junior void]

why do you use not equal

use equal 0 for sil aka default state

[sacred girder]

because tutorial and i couldnt figure out any state

not sure if im allowed to send links here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l--1c8QGpVw

followed this

[junior void]

if you keep using not equal, literally every state will go off

think logically. if ur viseme is sil, then not equal 1, not equal 2 and so on is true

[sacred girder]

sil currently is equal 0. should i attempt making it the default?

i dont know what im doing. just copying homework

[junior void]

logically, your first and always default state is sil

[sacred girder]

should it work without the not equal or does it need something else to bring it back to sil concidering as the great

spot i dont see the usual options

[junior void]

im starting to see the issue here

i guess youd want to switch from sil to aa to ch for example without the need to jump back to sil first

[sacred girder]

no idea... i just want the lip sync to work

basically yeah i think

[junior void]

ive never done this viseme crap so dont take my every word for it but i have this for hands and the positions for hands never need to go back to idle first, they just interswitch

so that may be what you actually need

[sacred girder]

could i ask what does the any state transition back to idle look like?

i wanted to try a similar thing to that earlier since someone recommended it but couldnt get it to work for some reason. it didnt respond when i tried testing it

[junior void]

again, this is for hands but pretty similar

[sacred girder]

alright will test this out!

will get back to you on it

[junior void]

you probably forgot to set motion time

important to make it drive that parameter

On all used animations themselves i also have loop time turned off so that it doesnt have a seizure and keep playing the clip from scratch

[earnest spruce]

Hey there i got a Question is there a way to make Physbones Grabbable for PC players? (I mean without any Hand Trackers just with the Mouse Cursor)

[sacred girder]

checking that and hmm

[junior void]

yes, viseme is a float

you must add it to your parameters

[sacred girder]

huh ok weird. checked the video again to see if that where i messed up and they do use a int

trying to float. seems we lost the equal option though

checked the animations just in case btw and yeah those are working

i think im going to make one more attempt tonight and just redo the entire tutorial or something

[junior void]

Well, its not gone for me

wait im an idiot

float doesnt have equal, it must be an int

i slipped the line when reading the docs lol

[sacred girder]

dw lol

[junior void]

"Voice" was float

[fiery crow]

Voice is just the mic strength

[junior void]

Im aware, that wasnt the point though

[fiery crow]

yeah you can but youd need to basically move the hand collider to an object on the head bone kinda

and use the parameters for vr/desktop detection

i think theres a way to do it easier with vrcfury but i cant say for sure since i dont really use vrcfury

[earnest spruce]

oh ok if thers a way do detect Desktop then i might figure sothing out

at first i tried to do it with box colider but i couldnt get them to work

[sacred girder]

welp rebuilt the original crappy one from scratch and nope still isnt registering properly. im so tired. tried making a new anim to test aswell and still. im not even sure whats causing it at this point. is Viseme spelled wrong still???

im just. going to throw it into vrchat to test and it probably wont work but idk

ty for the help anyways zero

[junior void]

whats your viseme stuff in the avatar descriptor set to?

it might not be registering because that one is "taking over" visemes by mere settings

[balmy barn]

#avatar-help message 2d face stuff , lipsynch = viseme parameters only

[sacred girder]

heres how it currently looks. lemme know if i forgot a big important thing or something

[sacred girder]

huh ty i might look into trying this tomorrow

heres other thing to throw in in case they could be part of the problem. this is how basically all the anims look.

......... uh. this is new. it happens when i click on the model group and armature. ive done anims for toggles before and havent seen this so maybe something is messed up with the model. would make sence possibly. lets see if i can fix it

[nocturne shell]

Hi.
What happens if I try to upload 2 prefabs with Unity SDK ?

[ornate stump]

Your question might be incorrect. You might have to rephrase it or give some example of whay you meant.

[nocturne shell]

If I have 2 opened avatars

Like, you know when u have multiple avatars on the left hierarchy and can check/uncheck the ones you want

[ornate stump]

It can only upload one at a time.

[nocturne shell]

Okey I see thank you

I just bought Sirai and it has DLCs and I'm quite confused haha

It has its own menu, called "Dor", and I select which version of the avatar I want and it imports the prefab

By prefab, I mean the avatar in the hierarchy you know ?

[ornate stump]

Yes that's what I mean.

[nocturne shell]

But the thing is, one is named "DLC". I uploaded the DLC alone, and going into VRC, it looks like it misses all the features of the base avatars

Idk how I can get both the avatar and the DLC together

[ornate stump]

The avatar should include instruction of how to add dlc to it.

[nocturne shell]

Well, no

[ornate stump]

Each "DLC" from different avatar would have different installation step so I can't really tell you how to do it.

[nocturne shell]

Ah no I'm stupid, it did not miss features I think. It is just an alternate version

I did not find corectely in the radial menu

[sacred girder]

redid every animation. it is almost 4am and its still broken. this was not worth it

[nocturne shell]

I firgured out something weird, if I'm creating a new project, I wanna select the directory of the project but the previously set directory is somewhere that doesn't exist anymore, then you just can't open the pick folder explorer.
You have to recreate the folder that is missing just to open and change where u're gonna put your project lol.
Is there a workaround ?

[ornate stump]

You could change default project folder in VCC settings menu.

[tardy locust]

What determines the default height for an avatar?

[ornate stump]

View Position in avatar descriptor.

[tardy locust]

This? Huh, I thought that only affected the camera location...

[ornate stump]

Avatar height is measured by eye height so that's the height.

How did you make the toggle for the hat?

[tardy locust]

Wait, so, how do you adjust the in world height? If you lower the eye height, it'll put your camera lower on the avatar— If you scale it bigger to compensate, it also scales the eye height, no?

[ornate stump]

You could add another action to set blendshape of the hair to shrink it down, given the hair has blednshape for it.

[ornate stump]

Your set view position must be position of the model eyes. If you want to change default height, you scale the avatar model down first, then readjust view position to match with new eye position.

[tardy locust]

Oh nevermind, the last thing I said was wrong, eye height isn't affected when you scale the model

[balmy barn]

got some avatars with hats and i just shrink the obstructing hairbones to 0 ect - some need to have their physbone disabled

[ornate stump]

Edit the model in blender.

Too bad.

[quasi pebble]

So for some reason my world constraint toggle for my partical is always hat 0, 0, 0 even if i toggle it off and on again

[ornate stump]

How did you make world constraint?

[junior void]

If you click this again, you will get the path of the animation. You musve moved the mesh so the animation path is no longer valid. You need to correct the path in all animations

[tardy locust]

Can you get away with uploading an avatar with all of bones / rigging completely messed up? Mostly just want to get VRC's opinion of my avatar stats so I know if I have to keep optimizing or not...

[ornate stump]

Sure you can.

[tardy locust]

Excellent. Time to see if blender and VRC agree with me being 400 polys under the limit lmao

[ornate stump]

Also you could just look in the sdk for performance report without uploading.

[tardy locust]

Good point...

[umbral tusk]

Hey i wanna make a toggle so the goggles on the head smoothly go to the face when turned on and when turned off they smoothly go back to the head

How would i make it so it stays there ?

its definetly gonna be an animation but i dont know how to hold the animation

[ornate stump]

What you don't know about recording animation? I don't even know what you meant by "to hold the animation".

[umbral tusk]

wouldnt the animation when its done repeat?

[ornate stump]

That depends on whether "Loop Time" option is enabled in the animation clip or not.

And it won't repeat unless you make it so.

[balmy barn]

old av , you can use a slow transition or exit time

(hand if the glasses have their own bone)

[left gull]

you could also use just one set of goggles rather then two of them (doing the goggles moving up via a blendshape/shapekey) if your only goal with having two of them is for that singular toggle

it'd still be pretty smooth

[worn kiln]

Thanks

[gentle goblet]

So I don't know what has happened but my boobs move weird on my avi, like it only moves the front part not the whole thing and I don't know how this happened. The avatar I made before this used the same base and it's physbones were fine but for some reason I had to set the Y endpoint position to 0.01 or else they won't move and...once again I just don't know why ;-;

[junior void]

why arent you using the boob root bone for your script

[gentle goblet]

I added that to the scrips and it still didn't change anything about how they move and such

[junior void]

not sure how you expect them to move

[gentle goblet]

Right now it only moves the front part rather than the whole boob. My other avi the whole boob moved, same with every other avi I have looked at

[junior void]

theres only two possibilities here

1: your physbone settings are "too soft"
2: you weight painting was edited

actually third option if you added assets that cover the boob (clothing)

also check if you have duplicate physbone scripts

could also be why

[lone shoal]

setting up GogoLoco for my avatar, im getting this error when i try to enter play mode, which deletes everything from my hierarchy? its weird because the model is set to humanoid, so does anyone know how to fix it

[somber sequoia]

But are there errors in the rig setup window or the console? Just because you set it to humanoid doesn't mean it's actually a valid humanoid rig.

[lone shoal]

it should be valid, the avatar uses a default humanoid rig

[somber sequoia]

you should go verify.

[lone shoal]

where do i check

[somber sequoia]

most of the basic setup tutorials walk you though doing the rig setup part. Inspector for the model file, rig tab.

[lone shoal]

this is what the mapping thing says so it definitely can find the head bone

[somber sequoia]

Before you clicked "configure" were there any errors in that window?

[lone shoal]

there was a self intersection on one of the meshes but that gets auto fixed

[somber sequoia]

I didn't mean in the console, often the rig tab has an error listed

[lone shoal]

there wasnt then

[somber sequoia]

k, good. Not sure what the error is about then.

[junior void]

verify humanoid in descriptor?

[somber sequoia]

yeah and see if there are any errors in the build window

[lone shoal]

well thatd do it - idk why thats the case because this is a humanoid file im using

[junior void]

try setting to generic and back then

[somber sequoia]

You m- yes, that.

[lone shoal]

is there a way to do that without deleting the object in scene?

i dont want to have to redo everything

[somber sequoia]

in the rig window, just switch it to generic, apply, then back to humanoid and apply

[junior void]

you dont need to delete anything

the rig can be configured any time

[lone shoal]

it still says non-humanoid

on the descriptor

[junior void]

did you hit apply in between

[lone shoal]

yes

[somber sequoia]

any errors in the rig window now? Verify the right bones are in the right places?

[junior void]

can we get a video or at least pictures

[lone shoal]

there havent been errors in the rig window at all

[somber sequoia]

there's a little dropdown near the bottom, it's hard to see

but ok

[junior void]

is the avatar that youre configuring assigned

[junior void]

the blue little man thing

[lone shoal]

bruh

that got deleted when adding gogo loco fsr

thanks that fixed it

[somber sequoia]

nice

[foggy tiger]

Is it true that weight painting can't get the whiskers to follow blendshapes? because If so then I can't put the whiskers on my avatar because i have no way to make all the blendshapes for faces and speech again to make them work with the whiskers

13 hours just to findout I gotta remake the 3d model from scratch pretty much just to add stupid whiskers to it has me tweaking right now

Blender discord is genuinely no help

[somber meadow]

you just need to adjust the whiskers to adjust with the viseme blendshapes

no weight painting is needed for that

[foggy tiger]

Yeah I have no clue how I would do that for like 90% of them

But also though

It's not just the visemes

[somber meadow]

simply going into edit mode making sure the blendshape is selected and set to 1 and moving the whiskers to where they're supposed to be is all you need to do

do this for the facial blendshapes that are needed

[foggy tiger]

It's just the fact that teh whiskers float around the head bone rather than being attached to the face where they should be

There's no like cheek bones for the nardo

So I can't attach them there

[somber meadow]

there doesn't need to be cheek bones

[foggy tiger]

I need them to just like follow the faces on the cheek

[somber meadow]

whatever bone the head mesh is weighted to, the whiskers need to be weighted to as well

[foggy tiger]

I tried that already though

[junior void]

the whiskers root bone can be parented to the head bone

it doesnt need a cheek bone

[foggy tiger]

Idk how to move them properly is my problem.

[strange saffron]

I'm having a weird issue with my mouth not moving as much as it should in VRChat. Does anyone have suggestions on how to fix it?

[foggy tiger]

like some I'd have to squish them and others I'd have to strech them but that's like super stupid to figure out

[foggy tiger]

Yeah but it doesnt' attach to the faces on the cheek that I need them to follow

They just kinda float around by the snoot because of that

[outer skiff]

Hi, I need some help.
I have over 1200 hours on VRChat, and I’ve been using Creator Companion and Unity for a long time without issues.
But today, for the first time, I received this message when trying to upload an avatar:

Welcome to the VRChat SDK!
Before you can upload avatars or worlds to VRChat, you'll need to spend more time enjoying the app. We do this for security reasons, and so you can learn more about us.
When you get the ability to upload, we will notify you via email and in VRChat. For now, you can learn and test on your own device.
To get started, check out the resources below.
Thank you for your patience, we can't wait to see what you'll build!

I don’t understand why this happens, since my account is old and very active.
Could you please tell me how to fix this?

Thanks in advance!

[foggy tiger]

I wanted them attached to these faces here but even data transfering the weights of this to the head vertex group I made for the whiskers wasnt' it

[foggy tiger]

I didn't test how they follow the head in vrchat for this solution though because either way, this still happened with them not following the blendshape

[somber meadow]

blendshapes are entirely independent from rig

[foggy tiger]

Yeah but I want the mesh to follow the mesh

I was told that's not possible tho

There should be a weight painting like thing specifically for stuff like this

[junior void]

position wise its about the rig/weight. facial expressions are blendshapes

[foggy tiger]

They should have like mesh glue or something

[junior void]

i did this before with my own avatar

[foggy tiger]

Glue faces onto other faces the same way weight painting works for bones to a mesh

[junior void]

if you understand both topics its doable

[somber meadow]

you just simply select the whiskers in edit mode, click the head vertex group, make sure auto-normalization is off, set weight to 1, and assign

this is for rigging^

blendshapes won't magically work on the whiskers after doing this, this will just make it follow the head bone

[foggy tiger]

It alr followed the head bone and I guess doing the other thing with data transfer would've worked with it following the cheeks

But I can't do a billion blendshapes by hand

I still have a version of my avi without the whiskers

I'll just use that one

[somber meadow]

is there that many? I'm guessing if there's face tracking involved you'd have a lot to deal with

[foggy tiger]

no, but there is a few dozen

[junior void]

15 visemes plus any body shapes you use realistically

so say 20 at most

[foggy tiger]

Well only like 12 visemes because some don't move the faces I'm worried about

Either way I can't do that by hand

[junior void]

why not

i made over 100 blendshapes by hand for my face tracking

[foggy tiger]

I can at most scale objects down in size or move them around

[junior void]

most of the visemes is moving the whiskers up down left right anyway

[foggy tiger]

I hate blender so much especially for reasons like this

[junior void]

only a few select ones may require you to angle them

[somber meadow]

it's just the learning curve of majority of most creative software

[foggy tiger]

It's just blender

Honestly

Photoshop is bad, but blender makes photoshop seem like ms paint to learn comparitively

And it's not just the 2d-3d medium difference

It's just blender as a whole needs a massive rework or something because they can reword so many things to make you need to rely less on 500 tutorials and 300 hours in the garbage documentation per 1 thing you want do.

Anyways I got my answer that yes it's not possible to do some like glueing faces to faces stuff in blender

Thank you, that'll be all

[junior void]

With that mentality you wont get far. Feel free to pay for something else like maya i guess?

[foggy tiger]

I just won't 3d model

It's not worth it in the slightest

[lone shoal]

for some reason my unity animator parameter isnt being affected by my VRCExpression parameter even though they have the same name and the same type - how do i fix it?

[elfin veldt]

Hi there! I'm working to get my Vroid model into VRchat but it keeps having an error uploading during the SDK process, anyone able to help me out?

[lone shoal]

(its the same in the expressions menu too)

[lone shoal]

whats the error? 'an error' is arguably the least useful thing to say lol

[elfin veldt]

well was waiting for someone to chime in to go into detail lol

[junior void]

never wait with that

[somber meadow]

It won't be reflected in the animator outside of play mode without an emulator like gesture manager

[lone shoal]

i have gesture manager

[somber meadow]

well wait, what are you trying to look for

a default on state?

[elfin veldt]

basically 25 errors that basically read the same thing: needing to chnage the "shaderpropertytype" to "UnityEngine.Rendering.ShaderPropertyType" instead

[lone shoal]

best to give all the info anyway so if you need to leave before you get a response you can come back later and it should have a response by the time youre back

[elfin veldt]

gotcha

[junior void]

what are the topmost 3-5 errors

[elfin veldt]

and the model is ready to go and everything, even followed the youtube video to the T

[junior void]

the bottom ones are always just symptoms of symptoms

[elfin veldt]

those are the top most, atleats when i scrolled up

has to do with VRCfury

[lone shoal]

ive got the debug thing open to read what the parameter is outputting, and even when i manually set the value to something through that the mesh that it should toggle doesnt change, but plugging the same toggle into a different parameter it works just fine

[junior void]

i use vrcfury and dont get any issues, try reinstalling?

[elfin veldt]

in the companion app?

[junior void]

well... yea

[elfin veldt]

my first time touching avatar modeling and unity until today so bear with me lol

[lone shoal]

ah wait i figured my issue out :skul:

[elfin veldt]

it's still being wonky ;-;

[lone shoal]

can you send screenshots of those errors so we can actualy see what they are?

[ornate stump]

Can you double check the unity version?

[elfin veldt]

6.2 (6000.2.6f1)

[lone shoal]

thats the issue

[ornate stump]

That's the problem.

[lone shoal]

2022.3.22f1 only for VRC

[junior void]

if youre using the creator companion, it should have recommended and installed that version of unity for you

[somber meadow]

Too bad new installations of Unity Hub just shove a Unity 6 installation down your throat immediately without a skip button now

[elfin veldt]

whenever i downloaded it, it didnt give the automatic installation for unity, i had to manually select it lol

[lone shoal]

ok well in the unity selection thing on your project set it to 2022.3.22f1

[elfin veldt]

yeye lemme try rq

Okay awesome it's downloading now, preciate you guys :D

[lone shoal]

nwnw

[elfin veldt]

and thank you for your patience and guidance

[old sleet]

I'm having a bit of a problem, and I'm hoping there is an easy way to do this. I've modified a mesh for an Avatar in Blender, however the avatar uses VRCFury. When I bring the edited model back in to Unity, everything works, except some of the VRCFury add ons are completely screwy as far as toggles and sizing. Since everything is in a prefab, I can't just dump the new mesh in there without Unity giving me big huge warnings not to unpack the prefab. All I want to do is put the modified mesh into the existing prefab, is there an easy way to do that? What I've done right now is copied eveyrthing, over from the original and put it on my new mesh, but's screwed.

[junior void]

i really dont see how any vrcfury stuff would break unless you already unpacked your avatar

i kept replacing my edited fbx without issue for the past 2 years

[old sleet]

Is there a way to replace the mesh of the avatar in the prefab without unpacking it?

[junior void]

you just overwrite the fbx the prefab is using

[old sleet]

OK, so I will try duplicating the original in file manager, renaming it, and then put the new fbx back as the same name in that folder

I don't want to wipe out the original if I can help it

[junior void]

fair point

just dont work with dragging a new fbx into the project

we had this the other day where we had to explain how to overwrite a file hehe

[old sleet]

also, what dc these green boxes mean?

[lone shoal]

means its been added by a package

i think

just comparing mine and yours i assume thats what it is

might be wrong tho

[junior void]

those arent part of the root prefab

[old sleet]

It's a bit finagled right now, it does work, but certain thigns are really screwy, despite being identical to the original, so was going to try to do it a different way to see if that fixes it. I'll try the above

It's looking like I am goign to have to put this into a seperate project, the area where the fbx is listed, is greyed out, so there's no way to change it

[junior void]

heh?

the area?

[old sleet]

I don't see anywhere that you can just change the mesh, it has the fbx file hardcoded into the package and you can't change it

[somber sequoia]

package?

[junior void]

you dont just change the mesh

you go into blender, hit export, as fbx and then export/save OVER the original fbx

[old sleet]

Right so I need to do this in an entirely seperate project because I do not want to overwrite the original, there's other projects in there that it will break if I do that.

[somber sequoia]

You can just save it as a new .fbx and then import that into your scene, and use Pumkin's tools to copy stuff from the old one

no need for a new project

[old sleet]

what is pumpkins tool>?

[junior void]

can do that too but no guarantee it will all work

[somber sequoia]

A bunch of nice tools, one of which is a copy thingy. I spelled it correctly, in case you want to search for it.

[old sleet]

(sorry I'm so dumb, I'm primarily a world builder, avatars are like a foreign planet to me)

[junior void]

it seems to not work well for me sometimes

[somber sequoia]

Yeah I don't use it either, but I have basically everything I share between avatars prefab'd anyway.

[junior void]

yea same and i include everything i add into the base avatar prefab

[old sleet]

anyway I copied the entire project going to see if that works

[somber sequoia]

sure, it'll work. Lot of disk space though.

[old sleet]

Originally I tried copying over everything manually, it mostly works but there are some thigns that aren't

ok this is really weird I must be doing something wrong in blender, the accessories I'm having issues with in the exported FBX are massive, and this is what it is doing on the other project too

[somber sequoia]

Export settings - set "apply scalings" to "FBX All" unless you know for sure it should be something else for your model

[old sleet]

OK I'll try that thanks

the accessories do not appear to be in the blender file

[somber sequoia]

that's not really a surprise

[old sleet]

I don't see that option in this version, is this correct?

nvm found it

[somber sequoia]

oh also under "armature" probably disable the leaf bones option, again, unless you know you need it

You can save these settings as an "operator preset" somewhere at the top of the export dialog

[old sleet]

ok this seems to have fixed it, I'll reexport with that disable leave bones on

[somber sequoia]

ah yeah, right at the top. I use one for avatars and a different one for worlds

[old sleet]

worlds are easy to rescale, avatars not so much LOL

[somber sequoia]

ah it's more that I also export lights with worlds

[old sleet]

I end up using Bakery for lighting so do all that in Unity anyway

Looks like that worked, fingers crossed

Thanks for the help

[somber sequoia]

excellent

[old sleet]

oh for saving this if I ever have to do this again, I just hit the plus at the top and add that as a preset?

notes I am using bforartists and not blender as I find it a little more intuitive

[white jungle]

Is there a trick to use a rotation constraint and physbone on the same bone? I need to have part of a mesh move in relation to an arm, but I'd also like it to have phys so the movement is more fluid