avatar-help

[sturdy prawn]

thanks

first day doing this so i hope its right

[trim shale]

if im making more than 1 animation toggle do i need to change the value in menu

[sick star]

Anyone know why on the newest sdk when you use multi platform upload it sometimes uploads in an endless loop?

[trim shale]

so can anyone show me how to add to animation toggles

[sturdy prawn]

omg im so happy i figured it out

[olive pelican]

Use a Int paramater to control toggles, it lets you handle multiple states.

[somber sequoia]

put a VRC Animator Play Audio component on the animation that runs your dance

[olive pelican]

00 = all props off. 10 = first prop on, 20 = second prop, etc

[trim shale]

do u mean togggles

or values

[trim shale]

yeah but it dont like show up when i try to use it as a par for a toggle

[olive pelican]

You'd have to show me what you're doing cause that's intensely vague.

[olive pelican]

You need to add the parameter to the paramater set in the first picture.

Oh wait you're using the existing emote thing?

Ew

Ok

[trim shale]

wdym existing emote

[olive pelican]

VRCEmote is an existing paramater

It's unwise to use it

[trim shale]

oh so do i not use thatb

[olive pelican]

Unless your doing something very weird

[trim shale]

wdym lol

[olive pelican]

....what tutorial did you use to make this, btw?

[trim shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGkozvYbgu0

and it only shows the pre existing ones

@olive pelican or i add the param in this param

[somber sequoia]

eh, I use it for a bunch of things

as does gogo loco

[trim shale]

u know how to fix this

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what the problem is

[trim shale]

i dont kow how to add 2 dance animations as a toggl

[somber sequoia]

use a parameter to choose which runs

[trim shale]

yeah but im only seeing one par

[somber sequoia]

I really don't know what that means

[trim shale]

im not seeing anyone of the ones that i make

[somber sequoia]

provide more detail

[trim shale]

when i go to paremeters theres only that one VRCEmote and like float stuff and i add new parmas but it dosent pop up in there

[somber sequoia]

pop up where?

[somber sequoia]

don't clip your screenshots so much so we can tell where this is

but make sure you're editing the parameter list on the avatar, and that's in the slot on the menu

[trim shale]

i go here to make them and there not on that list

[somber sequoia]

make sure that ^ is the parameter list on the avatar and the one in parameter list slot at the top of the menu you are editing.

[trim shale]

yup i was doing it wrong lol

but still not playing tf

[unborn pine]

Couldn’t export the animation from blender to be used in unity, don’t worry I figured it out

[trim shale]

what should i put the value at

for the second toggle

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea how you have anything set up so I can't answer that

also it's arbitrary - put whatever you want.

[trim shale]

idk then

i wanna just use vrc fury but it messes with my shaders

[somber sequoia]

don't let it.

[trim shale]

how

[somber sequoia]

you keep asking how to fix a thing that you haven't explained. I have no idea yet.

[tame surge]

So I'm having issues with the hand position of this model
This is me holding the controllers directly in front of me with my wrists straight)
Anybody have any idea what it could be?

[trim shale]

@somber sequoia do u mind making like a tut on how to add multiple dance animations

[somber sequoia]

I'm not a tutorial producer and don't have multiple dance animations on my own avatars.

[wanton valve]

Hey, I have two avatars which uses the same shader (lilToon) and same lighting settings, but depending on the world they're not affected the same way by light sources, would someone know why?

[stark meadow]

did you copy the materials? maybe some leftover masks are the problem?

[wanton valve]

They're two completely different avatars so they don't share the same textures and material, but I matched the lighting settings, I just want them to go dark at the same rate :c

[stark meadow]

did you set the same minimum/maximum brightness settings?

[wanton valve]

Yep

[stark meadow]

hmmm im not sure then

[lethal lark]

weird one, my model works and shows up in testing, but when published and loaded i get the fallback error model. windows platform
can drop logs if that'd help?

[somber sequoia]

is it like, very, very poor?

[lethal lark]

estimate is poor

hang on ill grab the review stats, its not great tbh

looks like im getting NullPointerReferences when mounting the avatar

so maybe sdk version? is that typical of an outcome for that issue?

just to confirm before i chase a dead end yknow

it does work perfectly fine in test mode

im super out of my wheelhouse

[somber sequoia]

which Unity do you have here?

I'd definitely upgrade that.

[lethal lark]

2022.3.60f1

seems to be

not sure how to change it as the project is from vrc companion

[somber sequoia]

oh that's why - that won't work at all

Install the correct Unity and remove that one.

[lethal lark]

going to uninstall it completely, trying to change the project over in vrccompanion just has it launch and hop back to the wrong version for whatever reason

[somber sequoia]

oh right, you can pick the version in VRC

(I don't use it)

[fast nimbus]

Hi I'm still learning how to upload avatar on vrc but does anyone know how I can get the selfie expression function to work on this Milfy avatar?

[lethal lark]

Seems to refuse to launch a fresh project on the right unity version
Unity path was not set, found it at C:\Program Files\Unity\Hub\Editor\2022.3.60f1\Editor\Unity.exe, saving to settings.

just pops open the companion install folder

[daring lark]

Anyone that can help with this?

[somber sequoia]

looks like it just tried the wrong version there

[somber sequoia]

what about it is the problem?

[daring lark]

Only one butt cheek is moving instead of both but I have both physbones on it

[somber sequoia]

show the physbone component and the bone structure?

[daring lark]

The one that’s not moving?

[somber sequoia]

sure, though I assume both physbones are the same

[daring lark]

Nvm I fixed it😭 had the old avatar on my bad

[somber sequoia]

ahhh

[lethal lark]

full reinstall of unity, reimported vrm, on the right version, in combo working now, thank you so much!

out of interest, if i have 17 instead of the 16 max skinned mesh renderers what is the consequence?

have for the mo deleted a bit of the model but if i dont need to it'd be nice to restore

[somber sequoia]

more parts to render = more time to render = worse performance

each extra object + material is a draw call, each additional one means slower to render

[lethal lark]

got it, if i'm only in small groups in private worlds is the impact high or does this come into play in larger population areas and for users with lower spec devices?

[somber sequoia]

depends on many things, like your friend's computer's performance

and your level of caring about that

[lethal lark]

got it, i'll avoid for now and try to get this down to one later on, thanks again

[somber sequoia]

I do my best to target Medium rank

[hybrid basin]

My gizmos disappear whenever I click on any object that isn't the avatar. I'm trying to add physbones to my ears, but I can't see the physbone when I have the ear selected, so i can't see how big I'm making it. Help

[somber sequoia]

are you trying to scale the bone?

[hybrid basin]

Mhm

[somber sequoia]

fascinating.

I'd do that in Blender probably.

[hybrid basin]

I'm just trying to scale radius of the physbone. It's meant to be done in Unity

[somber sequoia]

ohhh

[hybrid basin]

I've done it a million times, but my gizmos are being odd

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understand why you need two things selected for that I guess

[hybrid basin]

I don't. I only need the ear with the bone selected, but my gizmos disappear when I select anything other than the avatar object

[somber sequoia]

wait, do you mean the collision radius or are you trying to scale the actual bone, not the physbone?

[hybrid basin]

The physbone, the collision radius, yes. Not the actual bone

[somber sequoia]

I must not understand what is becoming unselected then

[hybrid basin]

The gizmos

[somber sequoia]

I just change the number in the physbone component, I don't think I realized you could do this via gizmo

[hybrid basin]

The gizmos are disappearing when i select the ear so i can't see the physbone

[cobalt phoenix]

it looks like youre on the very last bone of the ear bone set , so you might have to pull out your endpoint position

specifically y axis

[somber sequoia]

yeah definitely do that too

[hybrid basin]

I can't see the endpoint position because my gizmos disappear when i select the ears. That's the issue

[somber sequoia]

ohhhhh

lock the inspector

lock icon in the upper right

sorry for being slow to realize what was going on here

[hybrid basin]

I probably could have explained it better, haha. Also, I locked the inspector, but what does that do?

[somber sequoia]

makes it so when you go click on the avatar, the inspector won't change and you can try to change those values

[hybrid basin]

Ohhhh okok

thank you

Got my physbones working, thank you guys

[true patio]

I cannot upload avatars, it does not give me any proper errors, js "cannot upload avatar"

[somber sequoia]

Look in the console, there's probably a useful error in there. Post the first (at the top) 2-3.

[gilded vector]

how do i get my clothes on my imposter? its naked and idk how to make it not

[somber sequoia]

it's supposed to use whatever's on by default in Unit. I had a whole bunch of issues with this recently with Poiyomi though. Still need to finish testing that.

[cobalt phoenix]

dealin with this bs .... my left hand's fingers are completely askew for some reason . but ONLY once they start getting animated . theyre fine in tpose , theyre fine in the rig configuration , theyre even fine in default bike pose !! but not when animated by the hand expressions . reseting tpose doesnt do anything because the tpose doesnt change the rotation of my fingers , i tried it . in quest , when turning on hand tracking , the fingers are also totally skewed . something is going wrong but i have absolutely no idea what . 3rd picture is the left hand in idle and the 4th is the right hand in idle . ive tried symmetrizing my mesh , ive tried symmetrizing my bones , the only thing i havent tried is just outright restarting the entire left arm which i might have to end up doing cuz of !!! whatever bogus tiny stupid thing this is >:/

does anyone at all know why this is happening ,,, idk . im so done

[quiet sinew]

Does anyone know how to add phys bones to objects like plushies and things like that? I've followed so many tutorials that I could find and none of them work ;;

[limpid cargo]

it is in vrchat,
from this please use the “Viseme” and “Eye look” settings well.

[sullen nacelle]

hey im trying to upload an avatar for quest but why does the quest option not appear?

[limpid cargo]

check for the “Android Build Module” with Unity.

[sullen nacelle]

on unity itself? im using the creator companion

[limpid cargo]

in Unity Project,
please find “Build Settings”
i think the location is “File” or “Edit” .
from this, please find the android and check it.

[coarse thistle]

Hi guys why is my shape key in blender working like its supposed to then in unity its not

[quasi briar]

You may have unapplied modifiers

[arctic ginkgo]

Try:

• reset pose in configure (not tpose, just pose)
• reset muscle settings in configure
• use pumkins avatar tools to reset the pose in the scene

[quasi briar]

Oh my bad. Thats not it

[limpid cargo]

having a bone in the mesh is required.

[naive hollow]

can someone help me figure out why unity cant fetch my avatar details?

[somber sequoia]

likely related to the issues in #announcements

[naive hollow]

im trying to get to my avatar id's but its not loading anything

[naive hollow]

can you link to the message please

[somber sequoia]

sorry, I meant #server-status

[naive hollow]

im not sure if its server issues, had the same problem six days ago and gave up working on avatars hoping it would fix itself but still has the issue

[mint mango]

i really need help with my avi

how do i fix that

"parent for hips differs from one found in human description"

[somber sequoia]

hard to read (take screenshots, not photos), but it seems like you ought to have an armature named Armature

[mint mango]

i gotchu ill take a clearer one

[somber sequoia]

possibly this was setup before but you changed the name of the armature and re-exported?

[mint mango]

there was two armatures who conflicted because of the same name so i took the wrong one off and reexported it

[somber sequoia]

yeah same answer. I'd bet you need to switch that to generic, apply, then redo the humanoid setup

[mint mango]

would that remove all my textures?

toggles, etc..

[somber sequoia]

textures are on materials, which are on mesh, so no.
Toggles, etc. are in the animator and menus, so no.
physbones and constraints? other stuff hanging off the armature? maybe. make backups.

[mint mango]

honestly i dont mind about the physbones so ill do it right now and see

i think it got fixed thank you so much

[somber sequoia]

great

[cobalt phoenix]

nope , nope , and nope .... unfortunately i dont think this is something thats even fixable on my end , i think it might just have something to do with the default vrc hand gesture animations

ive never made an avatar with just one bone on each finger so i have a sneaking suspicion the animations just arent ready for it .... so i might make have to make new custom ones in blender

[heavy zephyr]

Look in the configure avatar settings (1)

Then the muscle settings (2)

And check if your fingers values are the same and appear normal (3)

All found in unity

[cobalt phoenix]

youre right ! i messed around with the sliders and my thumb is inverted , and my fingers are still tilted . however , its still normal in default position and doesnt tell me whats going wrong with the model itself .... im especially confused because i even re-mirrored & symmetrized my bones and my mesh , so theres no difference in them aside from the ring . which i did try removing , and the problem still occurred ..

bone axis issue mayhaps ? i tried rolling my bones in blender but that didnt do anything

huh ! so odd . the finger in out slider shows that my entire hand is inverted- when the left hand is in , the right hand is out and vice versa . weird . not sure what to do about it

[austere swift]

What the way to fix the “EndLayerGroup” thing?

[heavy zephyr]

Yeah sorry I have almost 0 blender knowledge so hard for me to say more. But at least that should help you better visualize what's going on. You can also adjust those values and change the min/max if that helps?

[somber sequoia]

my only thought here is bone roll, but I thought you'd checked that already.

[cobalt phoenix]

possibly , i appreciate your help ! youve helped me this far , and thats more than id have gotten on my own lol

[cobalt phoenix]

i did , though my bone axis are kinda weird in blender already ? but i thought that was just kinda what happened since i couldnt make it not do that lol

heres what they look like in blender : symmetrize and mirror doesnt change it but i had noticed that my other arm had different axis

[wild tangle]

Do creators know when thire avis have been uploaded?

[somber sequoia]

oh well if things are not symmetrical I assume that's the issue.

[somber sequoia]

no, there's nothing in the files that'd cause this.

Hopefuly people will respect creators' terms of service though.

[cobalt phoenix]

if youre talking about by others , theres no way to know when private uploading , but id check prismics and a handful of other search worlds to see if public uploads pop up there , though that can be time consuming

[worldly whale]

its saying its missing the hue shft when its riht here how do i fix it?

[somber sequoia]

yellow like that means the path to that item is wrong. You can click twice on the yellow name to find and edit the path.

there's a nice repathing tool by hfcRed too, works great

[worldly whale]

it just saysgame object or compnent is missing

[somber sequoia]

probably is

[worldly whale]

it doesnt take me anywhere or give me any info

[worldly whale]

???

[somber sequoia]

you have to click twice like you're renaming a file, then it'll show you.
It's yellow because it's referring to an object that's not present

[cobalt phoenix]

it looks like you mightve renamed it from what i can see , unity hates when you move or rename things it has in animations

[worldly whale]

i did double clcik it

[somber sequoia]

okay well it tells you which object it's referring to if you do

and you can edit that if you renamed the object

[worldly whale]

what is miss named?

and i just made that animation

i ddnt change he ame or anything aftrr i made it

[somber sequoia]

again, the yellow entry there is referring to an object that's not present.

[heavy zephyr]

Your object has a "/" in it's name, don't do that, that's the symbol to indicate a path

[somber sequoia]

ahhh

[worldly whale]

i didnt know that, good to know.

[somber sequoia]

I was really confused as to what was happening there, but yes, that's it

[heavy zephyr]

Hehe, I'm helpful 🫡

[feral oar]

Hello! Sorry if this is a silly question but I'm a bit lost, I want to swap the clothes and head of one of my avis to another but I'm unsure on how to do it, I have both of their prefabs. Would I need to do it in blender or is there anyway I can swap it in unity? Whichever the case is, if y'all could give me any advise on what to look for I'd really appreciate it!

[heavy zephyr]

Yes you would do that in blender.

[feral oar]

Ok thank you!

[bitter island]

my avatar facial expressions, like when i do point and smiles, but then do peace for shocked face, it keeps the same face expression of the point, but it mixes with the shocked face and it like stays like that unless i reset the avatar, would love some help!

[heavy zephyr]

Mixed Write Defaults issue

[bitter island]

theyre all on for right hand and left hand

should i turn them off?

[heavy zephyr]

Not necessarily, that just means that somewhere in your controller, one or more states are off when the rest is on. Find the culprits and set them to off. If that breaks the culprits, you'll have to adjust them.

[bitter island]

yup , i think its because i accidentally put the anims in the gesture thing instead of fx, and they have write defaults off, im guess i should turn them on

[heavy zephyr]

Try it

[vernal light]

Im trying to convert this Batarang particle for Batman Beyond. and whenever I add the beyond Batarang mesh into the Mesh slot in Render. the entire particle just disappears. can anyone help?

[bitter island]

okay i found out it was actually because i put the face anims in the gesture layer thing instead of hand anims 😭 thank you so much though

[heavy zephyr]

That would do it, yw haha

[alpine peak]

Does anyone know of any avatars that are similar in size to Rindo- close enough to use the same assets without any issues? I don’t have Blender to resize them 😓

(ping if replied to 🙏)

[junior void]

Even if the size was the same, the weight paint of clothes for example would be different so youd likely get clipping when moving. Its not that hard to resize and transfer weights in blender. You can learn that in a few days

[limpid cargo]

search with “boothplorer”
many similar style and body shape.

[burnt hull]

what does this mean

[junior void]

it means look at the console

[inland seal]

For some reason the HeadPats are on while Booping is off and If I boop then HeadPats are off and nothing happens. Basically Im trying to make so the Booping and HeadPats will work

[crystal pollen]

How do people make textures so sharp?
Is it just a very large texture size or something else?

[inland seal]

Not really

Theres 3 ways to do it

one is to use a thick brush and then sharpen the edges with eraser

2nd one is to create multiple layers with black mask on each one

3rd one is to use premade image textures as presets

[inland seal]

I fixed it

[crystal pollen]

and mask layers have high resolution?

i know, that in old games some simple shapes with sharp edges made via mesh and cutting UVmap
but it seems to me that if there are thousands of polygons it is not so effective? Or is it still done like that?

[inland seal]

It's a mask layer

it's to paint only specific areas

[crystal pollen]

I am a 2D digital artist, I know about masks and how they work, about how to draw sharp lines..

Perhaps I asked the question incorrectly.

I am asking specifically about making pixels barely visible or not visible at all on a 3D model
How do people achieve this result?
With high-resolution mask layers?
Or is the texture itself huge?
Or are there other ways?
Can mask layers be vector?

[inland seal]

Theyre using the brush to be slithly smooth

making the edges not being sharp and at the same time not visible

atleast thats what I think

[somber sequoia]

Cleverly hide UV islands at seams of clothing and parts, try to align edges with texel edges, there are lots of techniques here.

a lot of this will be in the UV unwrapping

[inland seal]

This is not fixed. I was wrong

Im trying to make so the booping and headpats will work

But only one works

[somber sequoia]

your contact receivers don't overlap, do they?

[cold lark]

HI everyone i dont know if this is the best chat to ask or the Avatar help one (Perhaps i can start a thread?) but is there anyone who can help me with blender and unity avatar creation? i have a base and i looked at tutorials but everythings looks outdated in the videos

[inland seal]

Maybe they do, How do I check?

one is at nose and the other one is at top of the head

[somber sequoia]

look at them in the Scene view with gizmos on. probably they don't then.

also you probably don't want those parameters to have "saved" checked. You shouldn't really need them in the avatar parameters list at all.

[inland seal]

ah

[somber sequoia]

also also, not sure why you have 3 states in that animation layer, all you need is two, one for off (which is default), and one for on.

[somber sequoia]

Yep, that looks fine

[inland seal]

I think I found the problem

[somber sequoia]

good 🙂

[inland seal]

one of my parameters was set to Greater and not less

[somber sequoia]

ah, that'd do it

[inland seal]

wait nvm, they do work but oposite ways

[somber sequoia]

variables swapped somehow

[inland seal]

Strange

Ill just swap the animations then

Didnt work

any suggestions?

[somber sequoia]

without having the animation controller to inspect, all I have is "use the right variable for each animation" or something

why not just disable one layer (via the weight) and setup the other first, by itself.

do one thing at a time.

[inland seal]

sure

Fixed

[lilac orbit]

where are you stuck at?

[rigid hemlock]

Hello, I'm having this strange issue where I'm having clipping in the crotch of my avi. When editing the avi the animation preview has no clipping but once I go into play mode it does. I've turned off phys bones on the hips, I've made sure no blendshapes that would interfere are on. Its almost like the mesh deforms in play mode. Any ideas what could be causing it?

[junior void]

Corrective, automatic blendshapes maybe?

[olive pelican]

Are there any animation controllers running in play mode? If so, what do they do?

[rigid hemlock]

I'm not sure, where would I check this?

[lilac orbit]

The clipping might be caused by hidden PhysBones, tight mesh bounds, or the FX layer applying stuff in play mode that’s not visible in preview. Try expanding the Skinned Mesh bounds and doublecheck for leftover bone physics or idle animations messing with it

[rigid hemlock]

Gotcha I'll give that a go ty!

[pallid sun]

Hi, i'm trying to give my custom avatar the pose you see in the image above but i run into some problems.

I already created multiple animated toggles: The skirt rotates on itself, the mask opens/closes, the star points rotate in a circle and they can also rotate to disappear inside the head. the process to toggle all of this stuff (as FX animations) works. Why is this pose not working? the animation works in the fbx file inspector, it works in the animator when checking for the state transitions but when i test it on vrchat nothing happens.

[somber sequoia]

Which animation controller is this located in?

[pallid sun]

FX, is that the problem?

[somber sequoia]

Yes - you can't do full-body animations there. See this for details: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers/

[pallid sun]

thanks, sorry 😔 🙏

[somber sequoia]

no problem! 'tis part of the learning process 🙂

[tidal void]

Ever since a few days ago, on all of my projects, if I disable any Game Object, then click on the VRChat SDK, the objects I disabled on my avatar reenable themselves.

Why does this happen? 🙁

The issue persists even if I Save

[balmy barn]

remove controller if you have one in animator ( one way i duplicated this behavoir )

[tidal void]

You are telling me to do this?

Won't that make the avatar unable to control animations and such?

[balmy barn]

something in newer sdk, cause ive left stuff there and lately it done some wierd things with my preview

[tidal void]

But it seems like doing what you said fixes the issue though

Would reverting to an older build of the SDK make any sense to fix this?

[balmy barn]

I wouldnt go back a sdk version , just gotto remember to keep it empty

newer features 'n stuff

[tidal void]

Will keep it in mind then, thank you so much. It was getting on my nerves 🥲

[rigid hemlock]

I'm not seeing any of these issues, the bounds are quite large actually, i'm not seeing any bone physics that shouldn't be there or that aren't disabled. Idle animations seem fine. It appears the clipping is caused by the mesh deforming, but there are no blendshapes active that should be doing this.

[agile breach]

Anyone know the avatar code for predicluvsu Aizen?

[cold lark]

so basically i got a free base cuz i wanted to practice. so i found some clothes and stuff like that so i could add it to my base. my problem is with addons and the rigging. So for example i got auto rig pro, Cats, etc. however all the tutorials on the internet dont work very well while i do the same, then afterwards after some compromises and all got it imported in Unity and then in Vrchat (it ended up T-posing)

[somber sequoia]

are the clothes you got specifically for this base?

[cold lark]

no

[somber sequoia]

ah ok, then expect to do some reshaping in Blender and weight painting.

[cold lark]

i cant even find clothes for it XD

yeah i know about sculptinmg and i have Robust weight transfer addon but that also doenst seem to work

[somber sequoia]

It does work, it's just not a perfect solution, you'll probably still need to weight paint after using it.

[cold lark]

hmm if i use it, it seems to stay all blue so i think im using it work

wrong*

[somber sequoia]

ideally you need to be using the body as the source, and have the same armature for both objects already

[cold lark]

i currently have this

[somber sequoia]

doesn't look unreasonable

[cold lark]

i first did select biody then Added a data transfer modifier -> Source body -> check Vertex group -> check Vertex groups -> Generate Data layers in Cats -> uncheck everything -> Fix model -> then i used the SENT/Robust Weight Transfer

[somber sequoia]

you shouldn't need the data transfer or cats if you're using robust weight transfer

[cold lark]

posing works

[somber sequoia]

oh cool

[cold lark]

yeah the clipping is there tho

[somber sequoia]

Yep, probably you'll need to fix the weight painting to alleviate that.

[light charm]

uhm why do 3 emotes that i added not show up in-game?
i added 3 more emotes to a parameter list and they should work but in-game they don't show up at all

[somber sequoia]

you'd need to provide much more detail

[light charm]

i will, i'll try to update the avatar again to see if that works
i'll provide screenshots

weird, now they show up

[somber sequoia]

ha

[light charm]

🤷‍♂️

[cold lark]

hmmm

i am doing something wrong here

its still all blue

Also why can i not see the Armature through the body anymore?

[junior void]

Perhaps "in front" is not ticked on the armature object display setting?

[cold lark]

Ah yes that was it thank you sm

[somber sequoia]

That just means that there's minimal or no weight for the bone selected

which given that you have a foot bone selected, seems correct.

[cold lark]

so what am i supposed to select then?

[somber sequoia]

whichever bone you want to view the weight for?

[cold lark]

well if i go into the Orca suit armature and then select it it doesnt seem to change anything

[somber sequoia]

specifically what is it you're trying to see?

[cold lark]

to see if the suit has any weight so it doesnt clip

[somber sequoia]

Okay but "any weight" is meaningless without selecting a bone and viewing weight for that bone

a given mesh may have weights for many bones

[cold lark]

ahh wait because i am looking in the vertex group that works

[somber sequoia]

yes, that's where the weight data is contained, in the vertex group

[cold lark]

ahh ok ok

[somber sequoia]

(and it's tied to the bone due to the names matching)

[cold lark]

ahh yes got it

so when clothes clip do i paint more or do i blur OR do i sculpt

[somber sequoia]

whichever is needed, it really depends.

[sour linden]

is there a way to download an avatar from vrchat over to unity, the other way around than normal? my friend has an avatar where he wants gogoloco added but we dont have the unity files

[somber sequoia]

no

[cold lark]

ok then another question lets say i want it in vrchat now i have to export it to Unity VCC right? do i just FBX and which toggles? because i think that went wrong last time and ended up T posing

[sour linden]

damn it

[night ember]

have you considered buying or making an avatar instead of trying to rip it

[sour linden]

bro i swear i didnt rip it, he found it on prismic 😭

[night ember]

so its not yours

[sour linden]

i could get it rn

on prismic

by searchingfor it

its public

[night ember]

just because its set to public doesnt mean its yours

be glad the uploader even set it to public to begin with

[night ember]

what you described is literally ripping

[astral valley]

Im having this issue when i upload the avatar from unity to vrchat does anyone know the reason why?

[night ember]

what is "this issue"

[astral valley]

in blender and in unity the avatar looks fine in size, rigging, hierarchy and parenting but the avatar goes tiny, invisible and the camera flies around the map

ill show you screenshots in a moment

[night ember]

is the root at 0

did you delete the blender camera

[astral valley]

Here are some images, Last time the problem was with exporting the fbx file from blender to unity, where the rotations made the final avatar glitchy but the software had a mind of its own deciding which direction is which

rig in the 3rd image looks odd but that was from importing and the bones didnt set correctly

and im pretty sure the more i try make these avatars the more errors there are xD

Are these export settings correct? I did already apply all transforms, deleted the scene camera and light

should "bake animation" be turned off?

and are the rotations correct? the avatar is facing -Y in blender as someone said to do a few days ago but im not too sure if thats correct

[worldly whale]

Ok so, it wont let me color change each material, it just does the entire mesh at once and honestly thats what i want. BUT it only does it in unity. when i upload the avatar the only thing that actually is effected is the one i animate but i cant animate all of it cause it doesnt let me and it shows that it does all of it at once, so how do i fix this?

[lone flax]

PLEASE HELP ME, this shit has beed happening for like 3 days now and I CANNOT fix it 😭

[astral valley]

uninstall and install 👍

[lone flax]

uninstall what the vrchat sdk?

[astral valley]

could fix the error that it makes

[wraith vortex]

does anyone know how to fix this error, i have over 43 hours on vrchat.

[worldly whale]

are you a trusted user in vrc?

[wraith vortex]

how do i become a trusted user?

[worldly whale]

Spending time, Adding Friends, Going into publics, Joining Groups, usually takes around 100 hours or so, some people sooner some people not so much

[lone flax]

sorry to ask a stupid question but how do I uninstall it?...

[wraith vortex]

ah alr

[worldly whale]

thats how you see what you are

[astral valley]

not too sure i dont even know how to properly use this software but errors like that are most likely fixed by a likely uninstall and install 😭

[astral valley]

could anyone help me with this?

[worldly whale]

have you checked the console for errors?

[lone flax]

This is the thing that I think's causing it

[worldly whale]

sounds like a bounding box issue, and it may just be a small avatar.

[worldly whale]

ngl i have no idea what im looking at

[lone flax]

bruhh

[worldly whale]

this is what i meant

[lone flax]

yea

[worldly whale]

vrc doesnt like models that arnt in a tpose, i know that can cause issues.

[lone flax]

that was it, it was just too long to send a screenshot

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to look in the console to see what the actual error is.

[worldly whale]

broooo name your bones, vrc is gonna have a hard time knowing what bone is what if there are no names.

hell one time my avatar used the chest mesh instead of the bone cause it shared the same name

naming is very important in unity, especially for vrc.

[lilac orbit]

and different name too..

[lone flax]

It's giving the same message though

[worldly whale]

kazin you have an idea about this?

[somber sequoia]

If you're going to paste errors, it really helps to see the first 2-3, one without context is often not useful.

[worldly whale]

Check SDK Version: Ensure that you're using the correct version of the SDK compatible with your version of Unity. Sometimes updating or downgrading to a different version can resolve compatibility issues.

Reimport SDK: Sometimes, simply reimporting the SDK can fix the problem. Right-click on the SDK folder in the Project window and select "Reimport."

Clear Cache: Delete the Library folder in your project directory. Unity will regenerate it when you open the project again, which can fix various issues related to corrupted cache files.

Check Console Logs: Look at the Unity Console for any additional error messages or warnings that might give you more information about what's causing the problem.

Reinstall Unity and SDK: As a last resort, try reinstalling Unity and the SDK. Uninstall both, delete any remaining files in the installation directories, and then reinstall them.

Project Settings: Verify that your project settings align with the SDK requirements. This includes checking API compatibility levels, scripting runtime versions, and other project settings.

Conflicting Assets: If you've imported other assets or plugins that might conflict with the SDK, try removing them to see if the issue resolves.

just a quick google and i found this

[lone flax]

everything else is to do with vrc quest tools plugin which I'm not using on this avatar

[worldly whale]

is that the whole console?

are there any other errors or yellow errors?

[lone flax]

no yellow

[worldly whale]

BRUH

[flat musk]

@worldly whale You don't need to yell. Chill with the all-caps.

[worldly whale]

Your jokeing right?

[lone flax]

These are all vrc quest tools plugin which im not using on this avatar so that's not what's causing it

[worldly whale]

that is whats causing it 🤦‍♂️ atleast a bit of it

you have two versions of quest tools in the project

and they are fighting each other.

[lone flax]

Damn

well how do I fix that?😭

[worldly whale]

you delete a version of one of the quest tools so theres only one of them

either the one you imported with the avatar probably best to not do that one or the one in the packages folder

it says it right there where to find it

you go to the projects folder or in your project go all the way down

and delete everything in that folder

[lone flax]

I thnk I did it

I only have 3 errors now

[worldly whale]

so now follow those adresses in your porject and delete the last two files

then we will have one error left

delete the test utils

[prisma sedge]

Or since you're not using QuestTools at all just delete the VRCQuestTools folder

[worldly whale]

i wouid sat that too

but

it may have another version of the avatar in said folder

or i guess the textures and mats for it

for the quest side

so it just best to delete whats causing the errors

so you can keep the quest side

but this one is the last one, just delete the dompnent remover

[lone flax]

It's only that one left now

[worldly whale]

Good!

[worldly whale]

now refer to this, and try these

:resend: Ok so, it wont let me color change each material, it just does the entire mesh at once and honestly thats what i want. BUT it only does it in unity. when i upload the avatar the only thing that actually is effected is the one i animate but i cant animate all of it cause it doesnt let me and it shows that it does all of it at once, so how do i fix this?

[lone flax]

🙏🙏🙏

[worldly whale]

glad you fixed ot

[lone flax]

Thank you so much I've been trying to upload this avatar for like 2 weeks and kept finding issues

[worldly whale]

good!

your welcome

[verbal bramble]

What could I possibly do to lower the size of this avitar? It's 43 MB and it needs to be under 40 MB to upload 💔

[olive pelican]

Compress textures more.

Most avatars have bloat on texture size.

[night ember]

that avatar already has a quest version?

why did you need to use quest tools

[chilly inlet]

one of my avatars toggles is pink even though the material isnt when i try to drag the material on top of it it does nothing the other jackets work fine its just the rgb one that doesnt work

[verbal bramble]

It just isn't small enough to upload for whatever reason 💔

[night ember]

did you actually compress the textures

[verbal bramble]

Through this, yeah?

Sorry I like never use Unity, I'm very new to Unity

[night ember]

yea?

[worldly whale]

what size does it say here?

also is this for pc or quest? im assume quest

[night ember]

40mb so yea

[verbal bramble]

And this is the quest version yeah

[worldly whale]

sounds like its the model itself

if all the textures are 128 then it would be the model itself

[verbal bramble]

Anyway I can fix that? 💔

[worldly whale]

its not gonna be the exact same

but

find the mesh

then the fbx

click the fbx

then make mesh compression medium

if that doesnt work

then it wasnt made for vrc

it wasnt made for quest*

[pallid sun]

Hi, i'm making a robot avatar and i wanted to add toggles to make parts of the body rotate of 360° in a loop. I was thinking of making the spine bone rotate so that all the upper body would rotate too but when i turn on the toggle, the lower part of the body rotates too in a weird way. Could the problem be that the humanoid rig does not allow this kind of movement?

[mint mango]

hi! how can i auto weightpaint clothes? i have clipping going on and i cant seem to make it perfect.

[worldly whale]

i mean there are ways, but its best to just do it yourself

[lilac orbit]

The humanoid rig doesn't really support full 360° rotations like that it tries to keep things looking human, so it ends up messing with other parts like the lower body. If you want smooth looping spins, it's better to animate a separate object or use a generic rig instead.

[pallid sun]

ok, thanks 🥺

[lilac orbit]

No problem:)

[chilly inlet]

anyone able to help me with this

[verbal bramble]

Update, it worked!! Thank you so much!!!! <3333

[mint mango]

i really just cant get it to be perfect at all

[worldly whale]

np!

[worldly whale]

its hard to weight paint properly

use the gradient tool

and that should make things easier

just make the strength full

and

red is what you want to stay/move with the bone 100%

and green is what you want your joints to be

like elbows

[worldly whale]

or knees

or necks

shit like that

[chilly inlet]

anyone able to help with this problem?

[mint mango]

should i also put weightpaint on my jiggle physics too?

[worldly whale]

if you have breast bones in blender

[mint mango]

i do

[worldly whale]

you should weight paint the chest to the bones

[mint mango]

i have them for breast, thighs, butt, etc..

should i do them for all of them?

[worldly whale]

just make sure that every part of the body and clothes are attached to thier respective bones

[mint mango]

sounds good, so what youre saying is i do have to weightpaint the physics bones too right?

[lilac orbit]

yeah

[mint mango]

because i took them off of them which is maybe why im experiencing so much issues

[regal musk]

Can someone help me make a working phone for quest?

[somber sequoia]

a phone? what would it do?

[chilly stump]

can someone maybe help me w like a butt slap or sth i just cant get it to work, like one of them works but the other j wont besides i dont know how to make a toggle for that

[somber sequoia]

it's just like a toggle that's driven by a menu parameter except instead of the menu, you use the variable in the contact receiver

[chilly stump]

uhm... i didnt understood a single word if im honest, i only know vrc fury toggles but how do i get the contact reiciver on them

[somber sequoia]

I don't know anything about using VRC Fury for this

[chilly stump]

then what kind of toggles should i use?

[somber sequoia]

a toggle is just an abstract concept really, so there aren't really "kinds"

You make a contact receiver, then use the variable it sets in your animation logic, whatever it does.

[chilly stump]

i did a contact receiver, and it worked but the hitbox was to big so i made it shorter

but now it doesnt work anymore

[regal musk]

I dm'd you

[somber sequoia]

and I ignored it, I don't do private help for free. Feel free to provide details in here where anyone present may help

[regal musk]

Ok

A phone like the one on this avi
https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_36c18678-53f2-40a5-8ddd-4d8c2dc1083e

[somber sequoia]

is it something other than just a mesh object?

[regal musk]

yes

I can make a video if needed

[somber sequoia]

I'm sure a simple explanation would be most useful

[regal musk]

It has two buttons and when you press either it changes the photo behind it on the screen

[somber sequoia]

so contact receiver and a material swap or texture offset shift (as in with a sprite sheet). Doable on quest.

[regal musk]

I don't know much about using contacts

[somber sequoia]

good place to start: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/contacts

[regal musk]

Alright, thank you

[mental pawn]

hi, how could i fix my avatar's texture looking pretty bad (compression artifacts) the thing here is that on the editor it looks just right

and the atlas is already 2048x2048

this is a recreation of how it looks in-game

i have determined its color profile

and this is how it should look

the difference can be seen up close where compression artifacts are more noticeable

i get it, its optimization but it gets to look really bad when you see that the textures look compressed even up close (i want them to look as smooth and crispy as possible under optimization constraints ofc)

[regal musk]

This was helpful but I still need help with a phone

[somber sequoia]

okay, what help exactly?

[mental pawn]

this is how it looks in-game and up close

for some reaon its a build-only issue

since i have setup the format on automatic and high quality and still nothing

[shut path]

heyyy does anyone know where i can buy disko's regulus mayu edit

[regal musk]

Making the toggles

like making them toggleable

[somber sequoia]

there are many many video tutorials about making toggles. If you're stuck, explain what you've done so far and what isn't working.

[cobalt phoenix]

oh my god . i figured it out

[somber sequoia]

ooh what was it?

[cobalt phoenix]

for some reason . in unity . if your hand has only 1 bone per finger . the left hand bugs out and inverts movements

the second you add a second bone to a finger it completely fixes

[somber sequoia]

haha

[mental pawn]

Any help that i could get? I have browsed and they Say it might be the UV's but its weird that it looks better on the editor

[cobalt phoenix]

im gonna see if i can find a way to make a bug report or something ..... unfortunately it means i get to experience the joy of figuring out a way to put on new bones without changing my model in a way that appeases unity . lol

[cobalt phoenix]

im not sure theres a fix to this in unity- if its that noticable , then maybe the uvs should be bigger on the uv texture sheet so that theres more pixels to work with to make it harder to see the compression ? i always keep very visible bigger stuff bigger on my uv map

though i kinda frown at not having clear uv mapping , if you have something completely solid-colored , you could shrink it down to make room for more important stuff

[somber sequoia]

adding finger bones should work out just fine

[cobalt phoenix]

do you think so ? even without weights ?

[somber sequoia]

with or without, sure. I haven't really had any issues

[cobalt phoenix]

alr ill give it a shot ^^

[mental pawn]

The thing Is that the UV's already share enough pixels, like the entire body Is in a single mesh and it shares a single UV

Like everything Is merged into a single material

[mental pawn]

Might aswell remove any shading and keep base colors

That might be pretty much it

And just shade it up using poiyomi

[cobalt phoenix]

that might be the best idea , especially with the new quest shaders that sort of allow for a similar sharp shading though not fully

[cobalt phoenix]

honestly tho , with all the skinned mesh renderers you have ,,, im surprised there arent more materials/texture sheets and that you only have one , unless you have a version with less skinned mesh renderers/gen

[cobalt phoenix]

seems to work fine ! thank goodness

[mental pawn]

Worst part Is that My avatar Is PC only

[chilly stump]

why is animating so pain

[tall dock]

For some reason when I use the emission that I made on my avatar, extra symbols I erased in substance painter appear although they are not visible on the image itself, anyone knows the issue?

[mental pawn]

It used to have up to 12 materials and most of them were for pretty small things

Like the tongue, inner ears, teeth and such

Unneccessary details

But it allowed the base body to have a single atlas to itself

And personally the Best trade off that i just want to have Is that okay, the base body Is on a single texture atlas of 2048 by 2048 pixels

At least allows me to have the least compression as possible

Im not that picky, i tolerate a little blur or pixelation

But what i wont tolerate Is compresion artifacts and a 8-bit color profile ruining the entire shading

Or Even worse, having to redo the uv unwrap and redo the body colors from scratch yet again 🧍

[cobalt phoenix]

yeah , unfortunately that sounds like either compromise or hours poured into finding the perfect texture sheet(s) that dont compress things super visibly

[mental pawn]

I Will try one thing tho

I Will remove the entirety of the shading (edge detect stuff) and make it being processed in real time with poiyomi

[cobalt phoenix]

i typically only focus on vr only stuff but i hope that works for you !!

[mental pawn]

The thing Is that i don't Even have a vr And if i had one i would be a pcvr user

SO at least i try to make it look good and run well on desktop

Other plataforms can just SEE My impostor

just by the way this is my model's UV map which personally its not badly distributed

it makes small details small while giving the other stuff enough space

[cobalt phoenix]

oh my god thats a GORGEOUS uv map . your topology is immaculate you are really good at your craft

[mental pawn]

Wait for real?

[cobalt phoenix]

yeah !! those are some really good loops and for as high detail with as many skinned meshes as you have thats really good

[mental pawn]

Yeah, i Guess i really tried to cramp in tons of stuff 🤸

But that doesnt change the fact that for some reason vrchat's engine compresses a lot My freaking texture

So i might aswell remove the shading and keep it base colors

[cobalt phoenix]

yeah , unfortunately for vrchat you gotta make some sacrifices ,,, if that were anything else that didnt require compression itd look great

[mental pawn]

Yeah, i Guess i just wanted to cramp in tons of submeshes on a 2046 image (not gonna lie, if i ever Port to quest, it doesnt look as Bad on 1080 which Is the max allowed)

[cobalt phoenix]

huh ? ive got my texturee on 2048 for quest and i havent gotten a pop up to make it 1024

[mental pawn]

Hmmm pretty weird but i Guess i can just keep it like this

I woudl just have to reduce polycount tho

It's rated very poor on PC

80k tris 🧍

[cobalt phoenix]

so real for that tho . mine that i was asking for help for earlier is 40k tris and quest wants 20k which would be a lot of work to reduce .... lol

[chilly stump]

So i got nearly everything to work for like a buttslap can someone explain me why only the right side works tho?, like do i need two Audio sources bc of that?

because then im finally done

and done with unity and my life

[night ember]

why not just have 1 contact for both

[chilly stump]

because it would be unstable

[night ember]

not really?

[chilly stump]

the sphere would be to big

[night ember]

you do realize you can make it a cylinder right?

[chilly stump]

to be honest... no

then i would need to change all Parameters and all of that wouldnt i tho?

[night ember]

no?

its just 1 contact so 1 parameter

[chilly stump]

Im new to unity so im sorry if i missunderstand sth

[chilly stump]

yea but isnt like everything i did for only these two that i did, and if i would use only one and sth i would habe to redo this whole thing?

wait

no im act stupid

...

[chilly stump]

but you mean j one contact receiver, and that would mean i would have to put like it over the left and right Butt right?

[night ember]

yea?

[chilly stump]

but how would i deal with the toggle then? if i put it over those two how do i make that the toggles are the System when they turned out it wont activate? Im just trying to learn

[mint mango]

why did my hair physbone suddendly stopped working?

[chilly stump]

then the problem w a zylinder would be that the whole thing gets coveres so even when theres no Butt it would still be triggern wouldnt it?

[night ember]

just put a second parameter condition in the transition so you can toggle if you can actually toggle it or not

[chilly stump]

thats probally gonna sound dumb but, how do i do that? like the condition? i dont know anything and i am glad that youre trying to explain that

[night ember]

do you not know how toggles work at all

[chilly stump]

the only toggles i can are simple vrc fury toggels...

[night ember]

dont use vrcfury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuXDZQxPu6g

there is no reason to be using vrcfury for simple toggles

[teal laurel]

It makes it easy i guess

Without you having to touch the animator

[arctic ginkgo]

Imo, better to do it yourself so you know what you're doing. Learn VRCFury after you've learned the basics

[chilly stump]

it does the only reason why i understand that🥲

[chilly stump]

thats the problem got no one to teach me and all my friends want me to do their shit ;-;

[teal laurel]

I myself still struggle with the animator. Using VRCFury until now. Now i ran into importing a full menu though which means FX / animator time

[mint mango]

can anybody help me?

[teal laurel]

dont ask to ask, just ask :)

[floral token]

Chat what is this glitch?

[teal laurel]

What about your physbones does not work

[teal laurel]

How did you manage that lol

[mint mango]

i just asked

[mint mango]

^

[teal laurel]

.

[mint mango]

my bad

whoops

[floral token]

Idk just opened the project and put in the fbx

[mint mango]

when im in play mode it just doesnt work its stiff

[mental pawn]

I don't Even know how creators manage to literally cramp in Even interchangeable clothes on such límit and make their avatars not look like that tomb raider girl on the PS1

[mint mango]

and it used to work perfectly fine

it still shows the bones etc its perfect until i get in play mode

[teal laurel]

Is the physbone attached to a bone?

(check inside the script)

[mint mango]

yes it is its attached in my hair root

it does that to two of my bones right now

[night ember]

Im sitting here with 2 pages of outfit related toggles for my avatar and its only 22k tris

[mental pawn]

Does it look like the ps1 tomb raider girl?

[chilly stump]

to be honest thats already to complicated for me

[night ember]

not in the slightest

[arctic ginkgo]

Only reason I can't get it super low is because I'm a sucker for outlines and I play on quest 😔

If I want a bunch of outfits I mean

[chilly stump]

my whole avi is j gone rn

wtf

[floral token]

I found out the issue

[floral token]

Hoyo Toon wasnt up to date

[chilly stump]

the problem is w that rn is like at the butt are more bones so im kinda forced to do both

[mental pawn]

versus mine lmao

[night ember]

just put the contact on the hip

[mental pawn]

at least i made sure to NOT WASTE any topology

[night ember]

I have not either

[chilly stump]

why the hip? ah, now i get it since its the receiver i can j put it on there, and move the zylinder or sphere wherever i want right?

[night ember]

yea?

[mental pawn]

i do can tell ngl, you really managed to cramp a great body shape on 20k tris

even my most optimized work has a bunch

🧍

[mint mango]

does anyone know abt that?

[night ember]

you could cut this body in half

especially on the parts like the legs there

thats quite dense

[mental pawn]

i literally made one of mine a bean body yet i still got it rated medium lmao

[chilly stump]

got it :D

[mental pawn]

trust me when i tell you, its actually required for a decent deformation

[night ember]

behold leg

[mental pawn]

the body itself without any ornaments (aka naked body is just 41k)

which would be medium rated lmao

[night ember]

you dont need that much for deformation other than the actual joint

[mental pawn]

makes sense but i couldnt really help it but literally make it all quads (topology trauma lmao)

for some reason on my models i dont tolerate rectangles oof

[night ember]

the only thing that isnt quads is the waist jacket

mostly because I just yoinked the model and didnt bother fixing that

[chilly stump]

okay okay i got that but how do i make the toggle for the reciever

[mental pawn]

but yeah your solution is smart

[night ember]

you could just make some loop cuts

[mental pawn]

pretty much

[night ember]

vulthra's models have good low poly topology if you want anything to go off of

[mental pawn]

actually i found a backup of this model which has low topology and it literally just hits the 20k mark

[night ember]

nice

now to gut it even more so even after an entire wardrobe its still under 20k

[mental pawn]

i could ue this model when porting to quest or sm

[night ember]

that topology doesnt actually look that bad

[mental pawn]

yeah, trust me when i tell you that such topology took pretty much ages

and it not just good, since im a little picky i made sure it deforms well too

[night ember]

funnily enough you could half that tri count again

and still have it deform nicely

[mental pawn]

now that i see it, yeah

mostly the face

[mint mango]

well if anyone can help me lmk

[mental pawn]

never ask to ask

js ask

[mint mango]

ive been asking

its js been ignored

[lavish hull]

anyone know why vrcfury's breaking custom locomotion animations? they dont play if the avatar is built witf vcrf components and just revert back to defaults

[night ember]

you arent exactly offering much information

[mental pawn]

yeah you could have replied to your own message you sent like i did

[mint mango]

ohhh okay i understand

[night ember]

could ask in the vrcfury discord

[mint mango]

pretty much my hair physbones just randomly gave up on me and isnt working anymore when it used to

[mental pawn]

you can remove and add the component back

[mint mango]

i make a couple changes in blender etc up until now but that isnt the issue of this

i did that it really doesnt work

[mental pawn]

make sure you exported with add leaf bones off

[mint mango]

i put the avi back in generic to humanoid again and it didnt work either

[lavish hull]

you got a link to it?

[night ember]

I do not

[mint mango]

ill try that

[night ember]

leaf bones are nice to have if you dont want to mess with the endpoint settings

just yknow dont have a leaf bone for the leaf bone

[mint mango]

can leafbones ruin that?

[mental pawn]

i just have them off as per the vrchat guide saays

[mint mango]

bc it was ticked on

[chilly stump]

it should work, hypothetical

[night ember]

no

it really shouldnt

[chilly stump]

now we gonna try this

[mental pawn]

just remove leaf bones and use end point

[chilly stump]

i meant my slap

😭

[mint mango]

end point meaning of the hair?

[night ember]

not talking to you

[night ember]

of the bone chain

[chilly stump]

ohhh sorry

[night ember]

if you dont have an end bone/leaf bone you can use the endpoint settings to define an end to the bone

[mental pawn]

the end point is a dynamic bone setting that tells unity where the bone ends

[night ember]

since in unity a bone doesnt have an end point and is only 1 point

[mental pawn]

since dumass unity treats bones like transforms

aka a single point in space

oof

well

[night ember]

dm it to the person ig

[mint mango]

it worked guys

just ticking leafbone off

wth

[mental pawn]

told you

that is literally written on the vrchat guide

[chilly stump]

im praying that this is gonna work

[night ember]

I mean leaf bones are useful if you only do it once

[mint mango]

tysm guys

what are leaf bones exactly

[night ember]

so you dont end up with leaf bone on leaf bone on leaf bone

[mental pawn]

bones that do nothing

[night ember]

generated bone at the end of every bone end

[mental pawn]

and tell unity where the bone ends exactly

[chilly stump]

ahhh so like as example chains?

[night ember]

they are useful if you havent already made end bones

[mint mango]

ahhhhh

[mental pawn]

for unity, bones are empty transforms

[mental pawn]

i didn't and my rig work :b

[mint mango]

my hair is fixed now i noticed my butt_L isnt

so thats the only physbone that isnt working

[mental pawn]

configure its dynamic bone end point

[night ember]

I always find it funny when I see someone making an avatar and they just have a long ass chain of leaf bones

[mint mango]

how can i do so? is there a video maybe?

[night ember]

physbone

[mint mango]

ive never had sm issues w my physbones

[mental pawn]

it a setting on the inspector

[mental pawn]

yeah

[mint mango]

i was clueless about there im ngl

[night ember]

at one point I saw a person with over 20 leaf bones generated

in blender the armature looked like an eldritch horror

[mental pawn]

and i have literally none setup

[night ember]

I have one so I dont have to use the endbone settings

[mental pawn]

and yet they will still have leaf bones the more they re import lmao

[mint mango]

do i just need to write dynamic bone and theres an endpoint setting p much?

[night ember]

Im more concerned on why the person didnt save a blender project

[night ember]

physbone not dynamic bone

[mental pawn]

they may work on maya

[mint mango]

oops yeah that lmao

[mental pawn]

maya uses fbx

[mint mango]

my bad

[arctic ginkgo]

I prefer to not use leaf bones when possible, since it adds an extra physbone transform per-chain. Those are precious on Quest.

[mental pawn]

me too

and my avi is already pc very poor

[night ember]

mmmmmmmm

not good

mine is medium

[mint mango]

everytime i make an avi i dont even check that

[night ember]

although if I were to make a quest varient that doesnt use transparency itd be either good or also medium on quest

[mental pawn]

dont mind anyway, other platforms see my impostor

[mint mango]

i feel like avi's can 100% be optimized unless its an egirl/eboy avi

[night ember]

those can also be optimized

its just the people who make them act like its not their problem

[mint mango]

thats true acc

[mental pawn]

Yeah, in My case im on My optimization stage

I managed to cramp in a Lot of meshes into a single atlas

Since before i would use like 12 materials on a single mesh

[chilly stump]

finally. after all this ducking time

[mental pawn]

Why Is that such an issue?

[chilly stump]

i was j excited that i am finally done

[mental pawn]

The all caps thing

[chilly stump]

after 7 hours

[mental pawn]

[chilly stump]

of torture

i am finally free

[mental pawn]

Now prepare of bug fixes

[night ember]

excessive

[chilly stump]

nuh uh

i j tested it

everything works

[mental pawn]

Now its all gone thanks to Ucupaint and time

[chilly stump]

the toggles for the slap and all the other shit

[mental pawn]

And just because i'm lazy, instead of redoing UV maps i Will make an atlas collage

[chilly stump]

thank you again for the zylinder idea

[mental pawn]

🧍

[chilly stump]

that was the solution

it works perfect

finally

[teal laurel]

I want to stay on medium for quest. But thats max 2 materials which i already have.

1. Body
2. Jackel seating system
   If i want to add any clothes, i'd go to poor :(
   I already did it without increasing the poly count, by adding a material swap and splitting my body materials to replace with warmers for the arms / legs.

That would be 3-4 materials though, a

Why must those limits be so horrible xd

[mental pawn]

Vrchat's rating system isnt based on: Will it break My computer? Its based on a fixed treshold of features your avatar must meet to be rated on fixed ways

[teal laurel]

Yea, sadly. It has already been discussed to implement something better, but dunno if it will ever be changed.
Like you can be medium performance, and max out all your stats, but if you dare to be 1 poly above the limit...

[mental pawn]

You can always optimize the base mesh

Since for example if You make toggles, your clothes Will be completely disabled

Meaning they don't affect performance

Actually My avatar with NO ornaments (like clothes or physbones) would be rated medium

[mental pawn]

I have the mindset of: if it doesnt lag any other's PC then it's good

[teal laurel]

Lol. I mean usually its enough if downscale textures.
This makes you take up

• less download size
• kess vram
• less uncompressed size
  Then try to only have stuff on your avi you use. If you don't use something, remove it, or have a separate avatar you can switch to, which has everything.
  No need to run around with an avatar that has 50x clothing prices on it if you just use a handful.

Then 70k polys is an acceptable limit.
You can decimate here and there and that usually does the trick for me and gets you >70k

Dark avatar Optimizer and vrcfury can also reduce a bit and you are golden

Better then an avi i saw a few days ago- 💀
9.3M polys.
-# yes, it was a crasher. Yes it is no more ;3

[reef kraken]

im trying to upload to quest

nvm, d4rkoptimizer broke it for optimize on upload

or at least i got past that and went to size download limit alert

[teal laurel]

Uhh i think the last two or three options of it break it. I think it was use ringfinger as xyz

Thats at least my experience with it for quest

[reef kraken]

i just disabled a few at the top

and it passed

tho i never did go through it and turn things on or off

and now im going back and fourth between thry's vram calculator and polytool to lower it, the body was 40 and is now 3

[teal laurel]

I used polytool before but tbh nowadays i just do the mesh myself. Decimate my claws, teeth, beans and fluff which got me from 19 to 14.8k

Good enough for quest

Love thry's tools though

[reef kraken]

i have no blender knowledge at all

tho im doing intro to engineering for my school when it starts in a couple weeks

[teal laurel]

Ah, welp then polytool is probably your best bet

[reef kraken]

yeah

also

paws on top :3

[teal laurel]

I learned some stuff like

• flying camera (so i can fucking move in blender aaaa)
• decimate (5-20%)
• turn back into tries (my avi is just tries)

Usually enough to get me around and optimize

[reef kraken]

all i know is merging meshes, merge 2 existing blendshapes into 1, and move camera

[teal laurel]

Do you also use the flying camera to move in blender?

[reef kraken]

i dont think so

[teal laurel]

huh, do you just rotate and zoom?

[reef kraken]

i just switch between like shift and control

no, i almost died thinking that was the only way to move in blender

[teal laurel]

Hahaha fr

Something i yet have to fix is part of my body clips through my clothes on thumbs up

Before, the creator used blendshapes and made my hand smaller, but i have transparent clothing, so making is smaller is not an option

[cobalt phoenix]

i had part of my clothes weight painted to my thumb to fix that :P

[teal laurel]

Is that weight paint i have to change there or any clue how i'd fix that?

Shall i only do this to my clothing and avi or just avi?

[cobalt phoenix]

yeah id say weight paint would fix it , just put a small amount of weight paint near the thumb under the thumb vertex group so it moves a bit with it

[teal laurel]

i never did that, gonna have to look into that at some point

[cobalt phoenix]

it works well so long as you dont mind part of your clothes moving with your fingers :3

[teal laurel]

This would mean painting the clothes right? Not the actual thumb (its arm warmers)

[cobalt phoenix]

yep ! i did the same thing to a pair of my own arm warmers and a sweater that went over the thumb

[teal laurel]

*notes down*

[cobalt phoenix]

does anyone know how to make lip sync override mouth position from expressions ? kind of like the eclipsed ro-bros from fwuitcuppy . i wanna see if theres a way to do it manually before i download potential malware to do it for me lol

[cobalt phoenix]

nvm ! figured it out on my own :3

its as shrimple as that

[sage gust]

hey guys i need help getting my avatar from blender onto vr chat

i already made the avatar in vroid and transfered it to blender to add an accessory to it

come to find out when i try to export it as a VRM i get this

what am i doing wrong? or should i just export it as a FBX file instead?

[cobalt phoenix]

did you apply all your transforms ?

[sage gust]

i believe so but how do i do that? just to be sure

[cobalt phoenix]

in object mode , click on object in the top left , then move down to apply , and click either all transforms or scale if you think thats all you changed

[sage gust]

i did all of that same error

[prisma thunder]

It's been a while since I've came here, because I've gotten pretty good at making avatars. This shit literally defies the laws of logic TwT

[ornate stump]

What are you trying to show here?

[prisma thunder]

Alright so, my FBX imports with textures

They look washed out, but you can tell what they're supposed to be

[sacred grove]

Hey idk if anyone will but if you can im having trouble opening a blender file and was wondering if someone can turn it into an fbx and send it back to me : )

[prisma thunder]

But, for whatever reason, when I grab the eye texture (the same one that is ALREADY applied to the model), and try to apply it again, it just turns red

[sacred grove]

its just some high poly shoes

[ornate stump]

Embedded materials are rarely useful and you often have to create new material to replace it anyway.

[prisma thunder]

I understand, but none of my eye textures work 😭

[sacred grove]

plss i beg anyone who is willing to help mee 🙏

[ornate stump]

Furry model like this usually have 2 layer mesh on the eye: one for base color and another is transparent for specular reflection. So if you using drag-and-dropping material, you're likely going to hit the transparent layer.

[prisma thunder]

Ahh

Tysm

[odd helm]

Here Im trying to do partner emotes with a second avatar, is there a way to have a humanoid object change animations without another animator

[ornate stump]

You can't control nested animator so no.

[odd helm]

man alright ty

[lunar cypress]

Would anyone know why the go go loco height adjustment would be broken on an avatar

[scenic ether]

What would be the best way to go about trying to make an emission map with only the ends of the bangs being white, clicking the tips in the 2D view colors a multitude of other places

[junior void]

Wouldve been better if the hair was uv'ed as flat square overlapping. That way you could make a 2d gradient and it'd be done

[pallid sun]

Is it possible to add props that do not stay attached to the avatar but can be dropped/picked up?

[scenic ether]

I ended up just doing a UV planar projection

[lunar cypress]

2022.3.22f1

[scenic ether]

Love your banner, is that your avi?

[lunar cypress]

I am not using VRC fury

In game

It goes into the flight pose and doesn’t go up or down

I don’t have the optimizer to my knowledge

[scenic ether]

You already answered this sob..

Also I meant just a picture or smth, dont know if you thought I meant smth else

SOB
I forget scammers and shit try to do that, im so sorry for scaring-

[west frost]

i have no idea why this keeps popping up
Failed to upload file
UnityEngine.Logger:Log (UnityEngine.LogType,object,UnityEngine.Object)
(wrapper dynamic-method) UnityEngine.Debug:UnityEngine.Debug.LogError_Patch1 (object,UnityEngine.Object)
VRC.Core.Logger:LogError (string,string,UnityEngine.Object)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<UploadError>d__157:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:3245)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncVoidMethodBuilder:Start<VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<UploadError>d__157> (VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<UploadError>d__157&)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder:UploadError (object,string)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<HandleUploadError>d__145:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:3067)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<System.Exception>:Start<VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<HandleUploadError>d__145> (VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<HandleUploadError>d__145&) VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder:HandleUploadError (System.Exception) VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<Upload>d__143:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:3047) System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCAvatar>:SetException (System.Exception)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<UpdateAvatarBundle>d__34:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:659)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<string>:SetException (System.Exception) VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<UploadFile>d__42:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:1287) System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<bool>:SetResult (bool)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<UploadMultipart>d__45:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:1471)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncTaskMethodBuilder1<System.ValueTuple2<VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/EmptyResponse, System.Net.Http.HttpResponseMessage>>:SetException (System.Exception)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/<MakeRequestWithResponse>d__15`2<byte[], VRC.SDKBase.Editor.Api.VRCApi/EmptyResponse>:MoveNext () (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.base/Editor/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/API/VRCApi.cs:337)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext:ExecuteTasks ()

its happing on all my avatar builds

[clever thorn]

When I put my radialpuppet to 100% it disables it for some reason. I tried the exact same thing on another project and it doesn't do that. Is there 1 little thing that I messed up that's making it do that or do I just need to re-make it?

[timber wharf]

@clever thorn on animation clip disable looping

[clever thorn]

Oh

Ill see if thats it

I do have some animations that use looping

[novel moon]

hello, currently attempting to make a 2axis puppet to control some backpack arms, however what ive noticed is that any anims exported striaght from blender those animation files dont work, but if i recreat them in unity it works no problem what im trying to figure out is why the unity anims work but not the blender ones

[clever thorn]

Do you know how to make it so it closes out of the radialpuppet and makes it go back to 0 when you click instead of saving it and you need to go back to 0 manually?

[timber wharf]

radual puppet has second param (0 - closed, 1 - opened), you can use it to parameter drive on transition form 1 to 0

[novel moon]

after further research, do you just have to animate everything in unity and no blender anims work in vrchat?

[ornate stump]

Animation exported from blender works given it's on the correct animator. If you exported it as a single model file for backpack, then it likely isn't going to work because you have to put the animation into a different animator(avatar animator rather than backpack animator)

[novel moon]

lil confused what you mean by "correct animator" do you mean an animation controller or smth else

[ornate stump]

As in animator component. The location of animator component is matter to make an animation work correctly.

[novel moon]

lemme show the setup lol, so the backpack is a seprate prefab, would i need to put a component on that prefab for the anims to work ?

[ornate stump]

Yes. Animation work this way. But you can't control nested animator.

[novel moon]

do you mind if i dm you lol, think i missing somthn obv

[ornate stump]

I don't help in DM.

[novel moon]

fair lol

[ornate stump]

Animation from blender only works if it's put on animator component that's on the object itself.

[novel moon]

main thing is, the tutorial im following,(funni 2 axis puppet wings) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgPN_fDcOuY, this one has it setup so you have a blend tree with all the anims put into it, and apprently it just works, but for some reason its just the anims from the fbx from blender that dont work, if i remake them in unity they work fine, but id really not want to do that lol

[ornate stump]

That's because you create a new animation in unity with different animator location, so it works.

[novel moon]

so i suppose they just do all their anims in unity? that feels really unoptimal to do though,, cause in the tutorial they never mention it

[ornate stump]

You could also work in VRCFury animation re-targeting, or modular avatar merge animator workflow.

This make you keep animation from blender and you have to work on a separate animator on the object only.

[novel moon]

oo, would i still be able to do the 2 axis puppet stuff in that?

[ornate stump]

Of course yes.

[novel moon]

cause thats the big benefit i see with the 2 axis puppet stuff, is that you could do stuff like this https://gyazo.com/7e57e13de87c947cd9564c6aa2f185f0

ook then i will have to take a gander at that

[novel moon]

is there any guides or such on how to do those you know of?

[ornate stump]

I don't know any guide relate to that topic.

[novel moon]

o,,, i was just referring to the animation retartgetting stuff u was just saying

[ornate stump]

Because I usually don't watch guide but rather read document.
https://modular-avatar.nadena.dev/docs/intro
https://vrcfury.com/

[west frost]

Yeah that would be a lot to post in the way of ss lol

I didnt know that i just put the avatar in the project and hit upload >.>

[delicate olive]

I feel like I remember there being a package or the like for fixing this facial issue, does anyone know?

[ornate stump]

Change material render preset.

[delicate olive]

where is that

[ornate stump]

In the material.

[delicate olive]

crazy stuff, but like in what way

this thing??

what do I press

[ornate stump]

Not that preset. Look for a slot that written "Opaque", change that to anything else.

[delicate olive]

ohh actually it was already set to TransClipping but I found you also have to set the material of the reactions oddly enough

Manuka problems

thanks

[gentle musk]

really stupid question probably but
i want to make like a line between 2 objects that i can move around so i can have like a tripwire i can place down
how do i exactly do that
line renderers do not let you parent between objects

[inland seal]

Im having a problem where Booping doesnt work on VRChat but it works in unity. Anyone know how to fix this?