avatar-help

[sour sparrow]

yes, i can provide those too if needed

[ornate stump]

Post screenshot to confirm it.

[sour sparrow]

alr gimme a sec

[ornate stump]

Animate the camera component itself, not the game object it's on.

[stray lintel]

I did?

I have a seperate animation

[ornate stump]

You toggled the game object.

[stray lintel]

The animation thats on the

Ohhh

so delete the camera movement on the game object?

[ornate stump]

No.

[stray lintel]

also should my camera be a child of the game object

[ornate stump]

That's irrelevant.

[stray lintel]

Oh

[ornate stump]

So you actually can edit the model in blender. Do those bones have head bone as an ascendant?

[stray lintel]

hrm

[sour sparrow]

i didnt see that no

[stray lintel]

Oh wait but i need the game object to be toggled

I'm confused....

[ornate stump]

Then make sure that the starting bone of a strand is a child of head bone, or make one hair root bone as child of head, and parent it to other bone strand.

[ornate stump]

You need the game object to be on, and animate camera component to toggle on.

[ember blade]

I went to the animation window, and made a new file, which made a folder in my computer

[stray lintel]

Oh wait so

Make a toggle for the camera on, when the game object is called in?

[ornate stump]

The question was more toward how did you configure the animator for that toggle.

[ornate stump]

You still sound so confusing, but that might work if I understand what you meant by that.

[ember blade]

It is late for me atm, I will answer in the morning in a more detailed fashion
(If you have a yt video I can follow that would save my life)

[ornate stump]

Look for Sippbox's videos. Object toggle.

You just have to animate material switch instead of object toggle, the rest are the same.

[stray lintel]

So when the game object is toggled, I want to sync the camera toggle ON?

[ornate stump]

You could just record object toggle and camera component enable in the same animation.

[stray lintel]

Ohhhhh

mk so

Lemme take a screen rec

[twilit fog]

this is concerning. i tried 2019 version if i can publish there. still no. missing credentials

[ornate stump]

2019 is too outdated by now.

[stray lintel]

https://streamable.com/xp6ote like this?

[ornate stump]

After 2 second is all black screen?

[twilit fog]

for context i tried the normal 2022 f1 unity and did all of the latest but vrchat sdk keeps failing to authenticate with error message "missing credentials" i tried all troubleshooting and only left with one choice to downgrade and still no. man idk what to do

[somber sequoia]

did you try turning off ipv6? some people have said that helps

[twilit fog]

i did along time ago still nothing

this issue of mine is odd. i use vcc so everything should be set up. nothing is wrong with my rig and doing test, the avatar appears on my vrc

[stray lintel]

https://streamable.com/i4y6a8

Ok so

I did this

Camera= off at 0:00

Camera=on at 0:01

[twilit fog]

the error messages kind of points out that something is wrong with VRC.SDKBase.editor.api it self

[ornate stump]

Did you actually animate to record this?

[stray lintel]

Oh

shoot

Uhhhh

No

Oh so i need to check and uncheck

oml

Ugh

[ornate stump]

What did you understand when I said "toggle the camera component"?

[stray lintel]

Oh

LOL

SOrry im a bit slow

Yeah i was toggling the game object and not the component

Guh

so do i need to keep the animations i created for the camera toggle?

Or the parameters?

[ornate stump]

If you recorded the toggle in your long animation already then no.

[stray lintel]

mk

So i can delete the animator for it and the animation and menu objects?

[ornate stump]

Maybe. I don't know how you did it.

[stray lintel]

mk

[snow goblet]

bump

i duplicated the materials used on my avatar, applied toon standard to the material, and added that material's way of doing hue shift to my hue shift animation before reverting back to liltoon, but it did not work. guessing its doing something different?

[wicked valley]

why animation die :(
Ive tried changing the idle anims and remaking the whole thing, nothing seems wrong with the armature
idk whats causing it

[idle dirge]

I'm experiencing an issue where I can't grab props attached to my avatar. I added four props to my model, intending to pick them up, but for some reason it's not functioning correctly for me, even though others on Quest are having no issues. I'm using an Index, and despite having gestures enabled, I'm unable to detach the props from my model. Does anyone know what might be causing this and how to resolve it?

[wicked valley]

sometimes avatars struggle with index dynamics

[idle dirge]

??

[wicked valley]

because its not a matter of gripped or released

[idle dirge]

ya that does not help me

[prisma sedge]

Assuming you're using physbones make sure you have "Avatar Self Interact" on in-game

[blissful pulsar]

wasn't quite sure where to ask this, but I have a general question for people who do avatar commissions. If an asset's/avatar base's ToS requires both parties to own it, how do you handle the costs if you don't already own the asset/base?

[idle dirge]

Thank you very much; I was completely unaware that such a feature existed in VRChat.

[stray lintel]

TYSM for the help!!!! I GOT it working

Now I can make my animation play on a Jumbotron lol

And other people that aren’t my friends can see it

Yipppr

[winged condor]

Hi everyone! I tried looking everywhere for why this is happened but I still can't figure out why. I have a mask for Emission in my Material for Liltoon, but it's duplicating it around the face instead of just on the eyes. Doesn't anyone know what setting is causing this?

[ornate stump]

Expand the texture slot and see its tiling.

[unkempt marsh]

is there any possible way to do transparency on quest without killing their performance?

[ornate stump]

Transparency kills performance. Period.

[unkempt marsh]

:(

I wonder why transparency is fine for PC but mobile GPUs just die at the thought of it

[ornate stump]

Mobile gpu is much less powerful to begin with.

[unkempt marsh]

well yeah but transparency is especially hard on it compared to other shader stuff

but on PC it isnt

[ornate stump]

It primarily because transparency requires intensive read/write to graphic buffer. And mobile doesn't have much memory bandwidth for everyone to use it unregulated.

[unkempt marsh]

that makes sense

ty

[winged condor]

Thank you! SO that's why! For some reason it was set to X 10 Y 10

[true flax]

Can someone help me with something a bit odd?

Basically Im modeling a character that has no wrists, and unity seems to hate that there's no wrist bone, I just want it to rotate with no wrist movement, is there any way to achieve this?

[ornate stump]

It isn't odd because it's the requirement. You could just add wrist bone without anything weight painted to.

[true flax]

The issue with that is the fingers would still respect that parent and the finger bones would float around the model

Instead of staying locked on the arm

[ornate stump]

How would you want to deal with finger stuck to arm bone?

[true flax]

I just want them not to move other than curling

See with a wrist bone it does this

[ornate stump]

Could you move the wrist starting position to the center of every finger?

Of starting of proximal bone actually.

[true flax]

Like this?

[ornate stump]

Otherwise, you will need dummy hand bones with fingers. Then use rotation constraint to fix rotation of robot finger to dummy finger.

[true flax]

Is it possible to have the wrist bone be there but have the fingers parented to the arm so it doesnt affect them?

Without unity throwing a fit that is

[ornate stump]

No.

[true flax]

Unfortunate

[ornate stump]

I already suggested another way.

[true flax]

Yes, I know. I was asking if that was a possible solution

[true flax]

How would I go about doing this. Im not an expert at unity, its new to me for the most part, I usually just use it to upload projects from substance and blender without much editing

[tardy nymph]

i think unity hates copying stuff

[ornate stump]

To start, just make another hand bone with all the finger. Do not touch the robot finger bones.

[true flax]

Gotcha

Leave them in the same spot I assume

As the OG bones

[sick loom]

I think you’d have your actual hand be weighted to nothing while the bones that control the fingers are rotation constrained to the actual finger bones that aren’t weighted to anything?

[true flax]

Sorry wha?

[sick loom]

like have a hand with the fingers parented to the wrist, then have your fingers be weighted to bones that are directly parented to the forearm

the one with the wrist has no weights at all

but in unity the one that isn’t visible will be the hand you use for the avatar, while the fingers parented to the forearm will be constrained to the invisible hand

sorry if I’m not the best at explaining

[true flax]

Okay so to make sure I got this right, you want me to duplicate the hand bones and make basically a "Ghost hand" that has 0 weights from the wrist down and use rotation constraints to copy the movement of the bones from the ghost hand to the fingers

[sick loom]

yeah, but you’d also have the original fingers with no wrist

the ghost hand just exists for the parent constraints

[true flax]

Gotcha

So how do I add the constraints to the bones to copy the movement of the ghost bones?

[ornate stump]

Have you put it in unity?

The model.

[true flax]

Yes

Is it parent constraint?

[ornate stump]

Add vrc rotation constraint to each robot finger bone.

"VRC Rotation Constraint"

[true flax]

Is there a way to add it to all of them simultaneously or do I have to do this one by one lol

[ornate stump]

And the source transform will be the dummy bone matching each bone.

[ornate stump]

You could select all the bone and add component all at once.

[true flax]

Got it, thank you

[ornate stump]

You still need to assign source transform one by one.

[true flax]

Yeah :( I figured that out lol

[ornate stump]

Also set solve in local space for the constraints.

[small raft]

idk were to ask this but does anyone know were i can find some funny animations for my avatars, like for when they are walking and running

[mossy ridge]

anyone?

[true flax]

Where is that at?

[sudden violet]

lighting settings in your shader

there is a min and max value you can tweak usually

[mossy ridge]

i'm not using poiyomi i'm using toon standard does that still work

[sudden violet]

good question, i assume it still has the same settings somewhere. I can't check atm

[sick loom]

Use the VRC rotation constraint

[true flax]

Ohhh I just noticed

[sick loom]

the regular constraints are PC only

[true flax]

It doesnt seem to exist

[balmy barn]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-dynamics/constraints/#constraint-types

older sdk will not have them

[true flax]

oh I prolly have an ancient SDK

[balmy barn]

VRCRotationConstraint all one word

[minor trail]

im trying to upload a finished one but everything says loading and i cant click on any of the options (name, warnings, description)

[slender fern]

im uploading an avatar for quest, i already have the pc version uploaded but my quest version is hot pink and not only that when i try to switch it to the android build it doesnt work, it opens ny files and says apk as the file type

[true flax]

It worked! thanks fellas

Is there a way I can edit the closed fist pose for index controllers?

[sick loom]

yeah, I had that issue for a while too, I was trying to figure out how quest avatars were using constraints

[true flax]

I deff did, it was like 3.4. something lol

[minor trail]

you've uploaded pc before, think you can help me if you know?

[sick loom]

those constraints seem quite powerful

[slender fern]

sure! whats the prob?

[minor trail]

i got a model and everything is fine, its just nothing is loading properly on the SDK panel

[slender fern]

hmm wdym

send screenshots

[minor trail]

k one minute

[still shuttle]

Have you tried reloading the sdk

[slender fern]

yeaaaa..

show me the console thing

[slender fern]

@still shuttle any thoughts?

[still shuttle]

It just looks like the sdk needs to be reloaded to me honestly. Or close the project and reopen it. That's usually what I do when my sdk is not loading

[minor trail]

so many times

[slender fern]

reopen the project

[still shuttle]

Is your sdk updated?

[slender fern]

i didnt even think abt that lowkey

[minor trail]

also did

a bunch

[slender fern]

the.. console 💔

[still shuttle]

Do you have a stable internet connection on your pc?

[minor trail]

wrong one

[slender fern]

aghh

oh boy

[minor trail]

yep

[still shuttle]

It won't let you upload if you don't have good enough internet
And definitely make sure your sdk is updated.

[minor trail]

im on ethernet

[still shuttle]

You could also try restarting your computer

[minor trail]

could

[slender fern]

boost💔

[minor trail]

mine aswell

[still shuttle]

The hot pink is a shader issue, not sure about the other one

[slender fern]

ack

how do i fix that

[still shuttle]

Gotta make the materials quest compatible. Quest doesn't accept custom shaders

Do you have both a pc version and a quest version of the avatar?

You will need 2 different versions usually especially if the pc version uses custom shaders like poiomi

[true flax]

Why dont these parts move?

[minor trail]

bone thing

[slender fern]

yea i have thw pc version

[true flax]

Theyre seperate objects under the spine, they should just move, no?

[still shuttle]

Does it come with a quest version?

You will have to upload the quest version separately but they will be connected by the blueprint id so you won't have 2 avatars 1 pc 1 quest, if you use the same blueprint I'd on the quest version it will make that one avatar pc/quest

[slender fern]

yupp!

yea ik all aht the blueprint but

[still shuttle]

And you say the quest version is pink? If this is an avatar you purchased i would contact the creator

[slender fern]

the mats / textures and the android are my main prob

[slender fern]

thing is after i bought the avi she kicked me from her server

[still shuttle]

That is sketchy asf

[slender fern]

yeaa

its fettybites

[still shuttle]

Did you maybe do something to get kicked? Like maybe wrong info at checkout or something?

You could also try dming them. Or emailing them

[slender fern]

yea no i didnt do anything! i just bought it and then i go to her server to try and figure out why its pink and i dont see her server 💔

[still shuttle]

That's actually crazy. Yeah I'd definitely try DMing and if you can't do that, try sending an email

[slender fern]

yea ill def try

[still shuttle]

Did the avatar come with a read me file?

[minor trail]

this is a pretty stupid question

how do i close conslole

:(

[still shuttle]

If you double click the tab it should minimize

[minor trail]

nuh uh

when i opened the project

it put me on the console

[still shuttle]

Def check for a read me file and see if it has instructions on how to upload, maybe you're missing something

[slender fern]

oooh ur right

[minor trail]

haha i did it

im smart

still aint loading tho

[slender fern]

theres no read mes

[minor trail]

YAHOOO

im a genius

It only took me

Uh

5 hours and 20 minutes

[slender fern]

💔

[minor trail]

Well thank you fellas for giving me

Support

[slender fern]

🫶yesyes

[still shuttle]

What about on the store page of the avatar

Sometimes they have instructions on the store page

[slender fern]

there is but its for pc only

[still shuttle]

Bruh

Is the avatar supposed to be pc/quest?

Or is it advertised as PC only?

[slender fern]

its pc and quest

[still shuttle]

That's really odd

Not sure why they wouldn't include quest upload instructions if it's quest compatible

Yeah I'd send em a dm or an email ngl

[opaque flax]

Question Is there a way to have hand gesture expressions and also have toggle expressions and if so how would i go about making that?

[grizzled cipher]

I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing in unity please help

[still shuttle]

What do you mean by this exactly

[still shuttle]

What issues are you having?

[still shuttle]

Do you mean like, an option to toggle off the face expressions so the face doesn't change with the hand gestures?

[opaque flax]

Sorry for the late response yes I think that's it I've seen on sum models where they have gesture for hands and toggles and there's a option to turn of hand gestures to use the toggle variation?

[grizzled cipher]

im trying to make an avatar but unity is crazy complicated

[still shuttle]

I'm a bit confused but if you mean just toggling off the face changing with the hand movements, you need to go into ur FX and find your left/right hand layers and add a bool parameter to them. I usually make one and name it gestures. Add that to every single transition for each animation for both left and right hand layers. Then you can add it as a toggle in your menus

[still shuttle]

There's not much anyone can really do for you if you don't have a specific problem you need solving

It's highly unlikely someone will be willing to sit down with you and teach you one on one, but there are plenty of helpful YouTube tutorials on how to make avatars

[opaque flax]

I'll have to try it in the morning sorry if it sounds confusing iam kinda bad at explaining things but when you do this are you able to use toggle based expressions or no

[still shuttle]

It toggles on and off the option to have face expressions.
If you want all face expressions as separate toggles, you will have to do something very different

[opaque flax]

Mmm I see do you perchance know how to do it?

[prisma monolith]

it said that bone was optional as seen in the screenshot so im lost on why it still doesn’t work. there’s nothing i can add into that slot to fill it in without ruining my rig.

[sudden violet]

so, you want to be allowed to:

• control gestures with hands
• control gestures with a menu
• turn off gestures with hands, and only use the menu

Is that right?

[opaque flax]

Yes

[sudden violet]

easy enough, how does your FX look like at the moment?

[opaque flax]

At this moment I can't cause iam laying in bed it's 4:42 so I'll probably have to do it later or do you have like a screenshot of what it should look like?

[sudden violet]

TLDR of an easy way to do it, is as follows.

• Gesture Left Layer
• Gesture Right Layer
• Expression menu Layer

Because the bottom layers overrides the top animations, if you do anything in the expression menu, the gesture left and right won't overerride the menu.
Important note here, is to animate All the blendshapes used for facial animations for ALL THE ANIMATIONS. If something is not used for a facial expression, it should be animated to 0.

[opaque flax]

Alright now should this be done in the fx or gesture layer?

[balmy barn]

just use another parameter to trigger alternative sets of gesture/expressions , there you have a toggle for alot of variations

gestureleft + whateverparamater false / gestureleft + whateverparamater true (bool exsample)

[sudden violet]

With my method, it'd be FX layer.

[opaque flax]

Alright I'll try both of these methods in the morning i really appreciate the help

[sudden violet]

it can be done in a lot of ways. I've seen these menus even crammed into a single layer

[lilac musk]

It's best to do it in a single layer for optimization's sake, however, that does make it quite complex

[sudden violet]

^

[river jewel]

someone halp 🥲

me Avi armor not being cash money rn

[sudden violet]

was that made for your avatar?

[river jewel]

uuh yes and no, and I'll explain

yes it was made for my avatar coz well

shadow x bodysuit by holo.exe

yup yup burned through my bank account for it

and no, coz well

I may have sculpted the model a bit just to make sure it fits well

everything else works just fine

the entire bodysuit moves Oki doki

but

the arms are a WHOLE different story

as you can unfortunately see here

OH AND it's actually a toggle right next to some others

it ain't a default outfit

[sudden violet]

oh, i tought this was a simple case of not having the armatures merged.

oh wait a minute, your avi is not in a T pose

can you reset both armatures to T pose?

[river jewel]

I can do that in unity??

[sudden violet]

i don't do that from a while, but i think it's possible.

you'd need to do some research / wait for someone else to answer that

i don't even think they MUST be in a T pose, but i assume they must be at least in the same pose.

[river jewel]

yeaaaa that's exactly what I'm trying to do ;-;

one way or another to just make it fit whenever I'm in play mode

I just want those arms to stop flailing around

[junior void]

hows the stuff added?

[river jewel]

the toggles?

[junior void]

the clothes that are awfully out of place

[river jewel]

glad you asked

well for one, I combined both modular avatar and vrcfury

[junior void]

thats...

[river jewel]

modular avatar keeps clothes in place, vrcfury makes the toggles

each compensating for one another

[austere bay]

go into your import settings and enforce t-pose

[junior void]

you do know that vrcfury has armature link too?

[river jewel]

I tried that last time, and it ended horribly

[river jewel]

got it ^^

[austere bay]

I would just add it in blender, avatars that have assets added in unity are often unoptimised and broken imo

[austere bay]

this is how you do it :)

[river jewel]

I merge armatures in blender instead?

[stray gorge]

Hi, I have the Mayu model and I want to use the latest version. the problem is my friend made my texture during the first version, this is when the entire texture was just one texture. The texture now is split into two at the body and the head. I am wondering if there is an easy fix or will my friend have to remake the texture?

[austere bay]

yeah just add the asset in blender, then you can optimise/decimate it if it needs that

and it's really easy to merge armatures

[river jewel]

if it merges to the base model, wouldn't I need to reimport it all over again? :')

[austere bay]

you should be able to just replace the fbx

you'll probably need to reanimate the toggles for the bodysuit (I'm assuming that's what you're tryna add)

but that's all

[river jewel]

so I go in blender, merge armatures, and somehow import the new model into unity without having the go through that basic grueling process of turning a model into an avatar?

that right?

[austere bay]

this is how to merge armatures, I'll make another video on how to replace the fbx 1 sec

lmk your blender version and I'll send you a link to the cats version you'll need if you don't already have cats <3

[river jewel]

I already do have cats, much as the version of blender I got ain't updated to it

[junior void]

the official cats was discontinued but someone else picked up the project and made updates

youre probably using the old original

[austere bay]

this should help!

if you need me to explain a bit differently lmk and I'll rerecord it :)

[river jewel]

this server is so nice ;-;

[austere bay]

https://github.com/teamneoneko/Cats-Blender-Plugin-Unofficial-/releases
this is the link to the newer versions of cats

[river jewel]

how helpful

[junior void]

you cant assume fbx scaling all local will work for everyone

my models for instance use fbx all for scale factor

[river jewel]

me confused now

[austere bay]

if it doesn't work we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, you should be fine

[river jewel]

thanks for the help imma try this and cross tm fingers it works

so uuuh, me no have apply transforms option now

and I didn't merge yet 🥲

ah, this is true pain

@austere bay

[ripe island]

There is an issue with my scene or more so the floor, I guess? No matter what the model is, they continue to have a tilt in their step which wasn’t previously there until maybe 10 mins ago. I saw it on one of my models and then it progressed to all of them after checking thinking I might have just messed up on one model itself. I have tried deleting the SDK and redownloading it, still the issue remains unresolved, and I don’t think it’s about IK tracking since I feel it would just be a problem with one model in general instead of spreading to the rest of the models I own

This is a side by side comparison of it normally in the Unity project and when I hit play for gesture manager

[timber wharf]

thats just how idle animation looks like

[ripe island]

Is there a way to turn it off? (Not part of the model since it doesn’t have any idles on it)

I swear the step was never there before

side by side of an older project i have that doesn't have this problem (again this is on all the models in the newer project i have, none of them have idles and should be in this same standing up pose wthout going through the floor)

[balmy barn]

its always been like that in play mode it plays idle from locomotion

[desert elk]

yup, completely normal

[balmy barn]

disabling locomotion will make your av slide around wierdly , any vr/fbt users can toggle it in setting somewhere

old exsample, funny how calibrate lift you up slightly

[ripe island]

tysm, i thought i messed up something in my project, went through a whole scare thinking i lost my scene, struggle with the new avatar i bought tooth and nail to try to get to work. i'm glad everything is okay and it didn't just ruin my whole project just having it in there

[cunning grove]

Little question
So, im a FBT user, and ik locking the avatars feet in place on the gogo menu prevents it from doing the walk cycle when moving around
Some of my avatars stay in the pose i'm in when im moving around and its perfect cause when i move and im seated it stays in the pose im in

But why do some avatars, when the feet are locked in place and you move around while in fbt, just do the straight leg pose? Its really annoying and i wanna know if theres any way to fix it

[kind heath]

having this problem where my avatars fingers bend too far on all gestures :( These are the default gestures, didn't change anything

[sharp magnet]

Did anything change in the past 18 months regarding the use of animators for custom clothes toggles, or am I just being thick?

I'm trying to re-use the animation controller I've been using for forever, but nowdays in the new Unity version it's not working too well

[somber sequoia]

not really, nope

[sharp magnet]

huh

I swear I'm doing the exact same thing as before, but now when I try to use the animations, shit just doesn't work

[sharp magnet]

The animations still work, and even the animation controller still works. But when I try to put that together with VRC, it seems to pretend it doesn't exist

[kind heath]

also: the thumb bends way too far, as well. Could it be a weightpainting issue?

[arctic ginkgo]

try changing your muscle settings

[kind heath]

I just managed to fix it by enforcing T-Pose in the rig configuration! I feel like Pumkin's pose tools might've broken something

[sharp magnet]

ah, I figured it out. Seems putting the custom controller in the FX layer is how you do it.

or at least, how you do it these days

[stray lintel]

soooooo

[arctic ginkgo]

yes, that is always how you've done it in sdk 3.x

[stray lintel]

im trying to overlay my screen onto others with a shader

what's wrong with my resolution?

[somber sequoia]

ohhh I didn't realize you were talking about something that old

[sharp magnet]

Look, I haven't touched Unity in 18 months or so, and last time I did there wasn't a way to use the package manager on Linux.

[stray lintel]

https://streamable.com/13gc1x

[arctic ginkgo]

well if you're using such an outdated SDK it's a little misleading to ask if anything has changed within the past 18 months. Your SDK must have been multiple years out of date

[sharp magnet]

It was recent for the time, it was just a pain in the ass to get working

Now I'm up to date, with all these new bells and whistles like Modular Avatar and ALCOM

[arctic ginkgo]

i get that, but i'm glad we have better options for non-windows systems now

[sharp magnet]

Problem is, I don't know what might be causing any problems I have as a result

[ember blade]

So, like this?
When I hit the preview button, the avatar goes into this ball position and becomes gold.
When I disable the preview, the avatar goes back to its original form.

[ornate stump]

Did you create animator controller?

[ember blade]

Yes

[ornate stump]

Did you create toggle logic in the animator controller?

[ember blade]

Uhhh no

This is what it is atm

[ornate stump]

Then create the logic first. You didn't follow the video fully.

[ember blade]

I have set the gold toggle to an Integer.
It was a little weird trying to follow the video, since I'm trying to replace materials and he's replacing props.
After spawning a test avatar in vrchat, I have come to the conclusion that something just isn't clicking with the toggle.
I recorded both material changes, being named after their correlated material, and the preview correctly shows both changes.

[stray lintel]

I'm trying to make an image overlay with Leviance's shaders, how do i do it

is my setup correct

https://streamable.com/2337v0

[somber sequoia]

as an aside, you don't need two gesture managers 🙂

it does seem like the screenspace shader is taking effect. I haven't tried using the image overlay in Leviant's though, that doesn't seem like it's working there

[stray lintel]

yeah

[stray lintel]

uh yeah

bruh

[sharp magnet]

Now that I've figured out the shit I did in January of 2024, time for my main question: My model has some issues with MMD worlds. I've read in this chat that the first two layers in the animation controller get overridden by MMD. I made it entirely from scratch, so I was wondering if there was any way to make it more compatible, if that isn't enough.

[somber sequoia]

what issues?

[radiant night]

This is probably pretty basic but I havent messed with mekanim much. I want the arm closed animation to only play on startup and when activated play the arm open animation and not return to the closed animation. what do I set the conditions to to acieve this?
This may be worded incorrectly because I dont know how to plainly describe what I want

[stray lintel]

So does anyone know how to make the screen overlay work

[sharp magnet]

its eyes go blank, curling up into its head, its outfit goes to what I exported it as instead of what I set it to with the outfit toggles, and it generally looks horrifying.

[stray lintel]

Texture overlay?

I’m honestly quite confused why it isn’t working

Is there any tutorials out there

[somber sequoia]

Could be you're trying to do things on the first two FX animation layers? Generally do nothing in the first except maybe resets

[stray lintel]

Does anyone know?

[sharp magnet]

Ah, that could be it

Can I just put two empty animation layers in there to pad it?

[stray lintel]

Ugh

This is really annoying lol

It’s such a new technique

[somber sequoia]

I don't see why not

I have blendshape resets on the first and gestures on the second, haven't had an issue

[sharp magnet]

I think the massive karnaugh map with the clothing options is in the second layer

ah yeaup, that's where it be

[somber sequoia]

ohhh yeah that'd do it

oh that's what the k in k-map stands for

[sharp magnet]

yep, named after Maurice Karnaugh

[somber sequoia]

I'd never looked it up before

[sharp magnet]

tbh I only learned today his name was Maurice when checking my spelling

that seems to have solved the clothing issue - the satanic stare is still an issue, but I guess that's mostly due to how I made the eye bones go bolt-upright instead of the correct direction

[somber sequoia]

no, that is correct for VRChat

straight up, no chaser^Wroll

[sharp magnet]

hmm

Can you change the blendshape names and positions in Unity? I have a fair few extra visemes I could probably rearrange and rename to make this work better in MMD (I kitted the model out for ARKit initially)

[somber sequoia]

no, you'd need blender or similar for that

[sharp magnet]

darn, was really hoping I wouldn't have to re-import the FBX again

that'll break most of my animations

[somber sequoia]

it shouldn't, unless you've done something really weird

[sharp magnet]

every clothing toggle is several blendshapes

[somber sequoia]

so? those are by name

[timber wharf]

blendshape toggles, oof

[somber sequoia]

the only thing that cares about order are the ones in the avatar descriptor for eye look

[timber wharf]

imagine if it was possible to upload more than one avatar

[sharp magnet]

Last time I did this, I distinctly remember them being by position in the list of blendshapes

[somber sequoia]

nope

[sharp magnet]

well, that was in January of 2024

[somber sequoia]

still nope 🙂

[sharp magnet]

make-it-mmd seems to be useful, but its documentation is hidden by a broken CA certificate

[sharp magnet]

oh hey I can make this work - it can simply translate the facial expressions I have into the facial expressions I need

[somber sequoia]

I use this tool for that: https://github.com/MMD-Blender/blender_mmd_tools

er.. is this the right one?

[sharp magnet]

look, I have 94 shape keys on this model, and most of them are for the face. Might as well put them to good use

[somber sequoia]

definitely

[sharp magnet]

(Just gotta go rooting around my parts bin, I'll figure something out)

[cinder frost]

So are On Entry contacts just super inconsistent?

[somber sequoia]

I haven't noticed that

[sudden violet]

inconsistent in what way?

[somber sequoia]

ooh that's how you did this

but also yeah, why is that working weirdly

[sudden violet]

i also have no clue

what does the transition in the FXlayer look like?

[somber sequoia]

hmm what's your animator look like? I'm assuming you're waiting for any one to go active

[somber sequoia]

multiple contacts set the same variable?

probably don't do that

[cinder frost]

Oh does that cause a problem?

[sudden violet]

^

[somber sequoia]

yeah because the ones not active would set the variable to 0

[cinder frost]

Oh that makes total sense

I was wondering why they flashed mint green instead of yellow

Thank you so much!

But yeah my method for this is super hacky

[somber sequoia]

that's not hacky, that's clever

[sudden violet]

tbh i find that super cool as well

[cinder frost]

I have two nested blend trees to set the spin speed and direction, then a layer that makes a spin factor parameter decay over time

[somber sequoia]

that sounds perfect

[sharp magnet]

huh, it seems that in preview mode, Unity thinks it best to turn the model's eyes around 180 degrees. Wonder if VRC's doing that too?

there's no bone roll or anything on the eyes

[cinder frost]

Gimbal lock maybe?

[sharp magnet]

Like, it works fine until I go into an MMD world, and then I get satanic no-eyes

[sudden violet]

did you turn on legacy blendshapes and normals?

[sharp magnet]

this is an armature issue; I don't think tha'd be the proble,m

[cinder frost]

Once again suggesting this is probably a gimbal lock issue

[sharp magnet]

I did check that though

[sudden violet]

one time it took me 5hrs to troubleshoot something for that setting alone, wasn't fun.

[sharp magnet]

this is exactly how they're supposed to be imported

Bolt-upright, zero bone roll

[cinder frost]

I mean yeah you can do all bone rolls perfectly and still run into it

[sharp magnet]

Yes, that would cause gimbal lock, but at the same time why are they suggesting you put the eye bones in a place where they'd get gimbal lock?

[cinder frost]

Had that happen with my model’s propellor when I was animating it, had to do it in quaternions instead of Euler

[sharp magnet]

there's no way to swap to quaternions in Unity

[cinder frost]

Some of VRCs components use quats when you turn on debug component view

I know eyelid bones are an example of that

[sharp magnet]

but I can't change that

[cinder frost]

Especially since the SDK is bugged and it initializes the quaternions wrong

[cinder frost]

Yes you can? Just enable debug mode for the avatar descriptor

[sharp magnet]

…there's no setting for debug mode, in either the current avatar descriptor or the SDK itself

or maybe MMD worlds expect the eyes to have 180° bone roll or something

[somber sequoia]

all the avatars I have with vertical eyes with 0 roll work fine in MMD

[sharp magnet]

… OK for some reason the head has 180° bone roll

[somber sequoia]

ooh, that'd probably be an issue

[sharp magnet]

I fixed the problem in Blender, I export the FBX, I… get the same result?

fuck it, let's see if this works

[graceful elm]

Does anyone here have any idea how I could force an object to always point down but still preserve the Y axis rotation of its parent?

A rotation constraint wont work here due to gimball lock, if the Y axis is rotated the other axies change too

[somber sequoia]

at a guess, empty object on the floor, look at constraint with the X and Z axes locked?

[graceful elm]

Will try

[sharp magnet]

@somber sequoia seems that 1.5 degrees made all the difference

[somber sequoia]

hmm?

[graceful elm]

Look at constraint doesnt allow for axis locking from the looks of it

[somber sequoia]

oh! that

[graceful elm]

So sadly this wont work

[somber sequoia]

are you using the VRC constraint though?

[graceful elm]

Yes

[sharp magnet]

the solution to my eye terrors was to change the head rotation up so it was bolt-upright

[timber wharf]

@graceful elm wha. why look at when you said preserve axis form parent

[somber sequoia]

aww. That was a guess, I hadn't looked.

[somber sequoia]

I was guessing

[somber sequoia]

ohhhhh the head rotation, yeah that does make sense

[graceful elm]

Because thats was the suggestion. Youre welcome to suggest something else

[rain sail]

day 2

what the HELL

is going on with her arms

😭

bones looked normal

but when i pressed force t-pose

they uh

yeah

[timber wharf]

"preserve the Y axis rotation of its parent" preserving rotstion should be done via rotation constraint (or parent constraint) wtih some axes locked.

[graceful elm]

Right. but as I already said in that same message, a rotation constraint wont work

[graceful elm]

Any other ideas?

[opaque flax]

Really sorry for the ping but how would i go about this is it done in the gesture layer or fx layer??

[somber sequoia]

probably watch some tutorials on animations, if you haven't

[opaque flax]

I have but usually i either just do hand gestures or expression toggles but i didn't know you can combine them and mainly iam not smart either

[somber sequoia]

Sure, it's a full finite state machine, you can do anything you want with it. In this case you could have it go from Enter to a choice state where it picks from two different full sets of gestures depending on the first variable.

I did that at first when I got started playing with face tracking, figuring I may want all my hand-based gestures when it's not active, but then a subset for doing things like eye closed expressions (I don't have eye tracking) when it IS active.
Turns out I never go without face tracking now, but still, it works 🙂

[opaque flax]

so confusing unity is not made for small brain people like me

[somber sequoia]

I noticed this trend of people calling themselves "small brained" or "stupid" lately. probably you're not, you just haven't learned how to use it yet 🙂

it's not like those of us who know how to use it didn't have to spend the time to learn..

[opaque flax]

i mean ya kinda it just really confusing like maybe this is lazy but i wish there was an actual tutorial or Something but gotta learn somewhere

[somber sequoia]

there are lots of tutorials

what there often is not is a tutorial that matches your very, very specific requirement exactly.

[rain sail]

can someone help me with the bones?

[somber sequoia]

first guess, bone roll for your humanoid bones is not 0

[rain sail]

uh

that means

[somber sequoia]

it's a property of bones you can change in Blender or similar.

[rain sail]

ahh

is there like

a way i can just use blender to import a Vrchat avi?

or

no

cause in blender the bones look normal

[somber sequoia]

Sure, you can just import the .fbx file into Blender

[rain sail]

done that already

i did everything on blender and tried importing it into unity

[somber sequoia]

cool, then edit the armature, select each of the arm bones, and see if the roll is 0

[rain sail]

where would i find that?

[somber sequoia]

it's in the "Item" tab of the 'n' popup sidebar

[sly rose]

Hii, well I have a problem, Unity say that my avatar is too short, but even when I scale up or move it up it doesn't work

[rain sail]

this?

[somber sequoia]

yes but when you are editing the armature.

as in, you have gone into edit mode

[rain sail]

Ahh okay

[balmy barn]

That avatar need alot of bone merging , it has alot of wierd bones and tiny ones - but they are all there

had it for awhile now

[somber sequoia]

ooh that's helpful info

[rain sail]

ahh

okay

so uh

how do you merge bones? 😭

[balmy barn]

many ways, here is cats way

recommend using pose mode then wobble bones around so you know wich one goes togeather, that model have alot of twists thats not even connected

[sly rose]

someone know how I can fix my issue ?

[somber sequoia]

which issue?

[sly rose]

That one

[somber sequoia]

how are you scaling it?

[sly rose]

With this

[somber sequoia]

don't clip so much, we can't tell what that is

[balmy barn]

when avatar have a descriptor on it, click it and see where origin is , if its anywhere but right below your feet - you need to set it in blender

since you have that

[sly rose]

Wait I can't see that arrow

[somber sequoia]

You can definitely set that, or you can scale in the FBX import settings, it's right at the top of the first tab.

[balmy barn]

thats paint

[somber sequoia]

ohhh that's the issue, yep

[fluid pebble]

i cant figure out how to download this avi 🥲 anyone able to help?

[sly rose]

Oh sorry

[somber sequoia]

"this avi"?

[sly rose]

I think I can't see things, sorry 😭

[fluid pebble]

shii my b i bought an avi from cozu and i keep getting this

[sly rose]

I don't think it's in the right place-

[somber sequoia]

no idea, never seen that before

[fluid pebble]

i am actually crashin out over it, i cant get it to open through vccc

[sly rose]

and how do I set in in blender then...
I'm gonna have to redo all of the visemes, I wanna cry

[balmy barn]

nah just set origin in blender , overwrite (long as its not unpacked)

[sly rose]

unpacked ?

[somber sequoia]

your model comes into Unity as a "prefab", which you can unpack, but you should never ever do this unless you actually understand what you're doing.

[rain sail]

i dont think the bones not being merged was the problem

they were like

rolled all the way back to like

-230

[sly rose]

so I guess I'm done

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what you are showing here

[sly rose]

I don't know how to explain it

[balmy barn]

you have to do it manually so if you never entered this thing its fine / and avatar text shows up as blue not white

[sly rose]

I never clicked that button

and yup my avatar text is still blue

[somber sequoia]

good.

[sly rose]

well I guess it's good

so I just have to change the origin point in blender, reexport the FBX and replace it ?

cause in Blender when I select all of the model it's like that

The origin is in my chest

[somber sequoia]

Yeah it should be at the world origin, and your avatar should be standing on that point. For VRChat purposes.

[sly rose]

How can I change that easily ?

cause I know how to use blender, but I don't wanna mess up anything

[slate raven]

can someone plz help me? i designed a avatar and i need to know how to upload it, someone offered to help me HOWEVER they are demanding money to help me figure out how to upload it

[somber sequoia]

I usually do this with the 3D cursor - set that to the origin, then Object -> set origin -> origin to 3D cursor. Then apply all transforms.

[somber sequoia]

There are many tutorials for this, such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ

[sly rose]

I think I put it right ?

[slate raven]

where can i download unity hub

?

[sly rose]

Woops

I wanted to say I think it's good now

[slate raven]

i didnt use unity hub to design it i used a different 3d avatar designing app

nvm

[sly rose]

and how do I overwrite the one in Unity with the new one I just exported from Blender ?

[slate raven]

i found it

[rain sail]

Nvm bones still broke when importing to unity

god

[stray lintel]

quik question

How do I add text to a camera

Do I need to add a plane

[night ember]

wdym add to a camera

[graceful elm]

is it possible to substract a shape key using an animation, but clamp it so it doesnt go below zero?
I have an additive animation that subtracts values from some shape keys and it works great, but the problem is that if those shape keys are at zero the animation causes them to dip below zero and the mesh turns in on itself

I guess another way I could do this is animating the weight of another animation layer to subtract the shape keyy, not sure if thats possible though

[somber sequoia]

That is - VRC Playable Layer Control

[graceful elm]

That component doesnt give control of the weight on a per frame basis of the animation, it doesnt really let you be granural with it

[somber sequoia]

oh true, it doesn't do that.

[graceful elm]

Oh well, I'll try to make it useful

Though I dont think its going to be possible, because you cant set when the blending occurs in the animation time.

It always occurs at the beginning, even if the animation is playing in reverse

[stray lintel]

I want it to display only in the camera's view

similar to a hud

[night ember]

like the vrchat camera?

[stray lintel]

Yes

[night ember]

https://github.com/VRLabs/Local-Mirror-Detection

[stray lintel]

I want it to render on the camera

[night ember]

thats not the vrchat camera

[stray lintel]

then disappear

Yeah its a custom cam i made

I don't want it on the vrc cam, I want it on the custom cam

[night ember]

just use a screenspace shader

[stray lintel]

I am using one...

I'm using one for the box

[night ember]

then just move the object that is using it on the camera

[stray lintel]

Can't do that cuz it would mess up my scene, would i need to just reacte a new 3d object

That is a child of the cam?

[night ember]

or just move it with the camera

[stray lintel]

Ah ok

Yeah i think i get the gist

Thanks

[opaque flax]

sorry for the ping but when you have time do you think its cool if you can help me with the gesture thingy cause i tried and all i did was confuse myself

[merry thistle]

Guys i really need help with something, i have an avatar i uploaded on quest and everything is working fine except for the hair bones and i tired everything but nothing worked. The avatar design is Rindo so is there like another version of that design or is there something specific i have to do?

[somber sequoia]

where are you stuck?

[opaque flax]

so i have my gesture layer setup and the toggle variant setup but i don't know how to make them correspond nor like the toggle but iam guessing the toggle is just a bool?

[sly rose]

Hey I'm back, so the model works !
Thanks for helping me !
But now I have a 2 problems, the mouth is a png image so I have to do 2D Visemes and I don't know how to do that, and there's no shader for VRChat/Mobile that support transparency (well I guess there's one but yeah you get the idea)

[somber sequoia]

Sure, you can do that with a bool.

[opaque flax]

alright that good to know but how do i make the gesture layer and toggle expressions correspond?

[somber sequoia]

Do you mean two layers in the same animator, or do you mean using both FX and Gesture animators?

[opaque flax]

its in one animator the fx i got a screenshot of what it looks like in the menus from a different avatar

[somber sequoia]

You'd have to explain what you want these things to do probably

[opaque flax]

control gestures with hands
control gestures with a menu
turn off gestures with hands, and only use the menu

[somber sequoia]

turning off gestures is just a matter of having a bool parameter that must be true for the transitions from the idle state to the gesture state to work

[opaque flax]

so how would i go about setting that up then?

[somber sequoia]

You add the extra parameter to the transitions in your animation layer which does the gestures

[opaque flax]

Then that should let me use expression toggles when i do that?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea how your animator is setup, so there's no way I can answer that

[opaque flax]

it just looks like this rn atp i got to confuse so i just restarted

[somber sequoia]

Sure, so you can add a toggle for those to each of the transitions, if that's what you want

[opaque flax]

well i mean its turns off the gesture but i cant use any expression toggles?

[lilac musk]

So I'm now getting around to playing with the toon standard shader. Does it not allow for main texture color animation or am I missing something? I know they have hue shift, but having the ability to change main texture color makes for vast color options.

[somber sequoia]

what does "Toggle exp" do there?

[opaque flax]

well i thought making that bool toggle would make it where i can use toggle expressions but all it did was turn the gestures off i got very goldfish brain

[somber sequoia]

by "toggle expressions" do you mean you have a menu with toggles to change the expressions, instead of using hand gestures?

[late inlet]

Nothing is loading my avatars are all robots and I keep getting the we're sorry something went wrong every time I load in

[prime agate]

I got what I assume is a pretty simple question. There's a prop on my avatar and I can see it in my mirror/camera and my friends can see it. However I can't see it in my first person view. I did a quick little search and it said something about culling but I can't actually find out how to edit culling to fix this issue. How do I go about that?

[opaque flax]

yes

[somber sequoia]

Do those use a single variable (probably an int) or many bools?

[opaque flax]

yea there all ints

[somber sequoia]

that's not what I meant - GestureRight is the one set by your hand gestures

[opaque flax]

like the parameter? or something else

[somber sequoia]

Yes, the parameter used by those menu items

[opaque flax]

yea its a int and the valu is set to 0

this is also what it looks like

[somber sequoia]

I'm guessing that 0 means "no expression" and so you could add that as a requirement to all the transitions in the hand gestures so they don't trigger when it's non-zero.

[radiant night]

The unsheath option (It says sheath currently) isnt working. instead it just closes the arm, I am very bad with mecanim so I dont know if there is something I am doing wrong. Is there anything obvious that I should correct?

[opaque flax]

so should i make the value 1 then?

[radiant night]

Oh, and the buttons stop working after pressing sheath

[somber sequoia]

... why?

[opaque flax]

sorry iam like really confused rn

[radiant night]

Mantis toggle opens the arm, blade toggle makes the blade rise, and sheath toggle does what it says on the tin

[opaque flax]

yea nah iam lost

[sharp osprey]

i dont have the project files for an avatar i made in the past. i built a test version of it though, and i still appear to have access to that. is it possible for me to recover the files of my test avatar?

[radiant night]

I dont believe so

[opaque flax]

Aright i finally figure it out iam really sorry if i caused trouble for you i really apricate the help

[somber sequoia]

no worries

[stuck oxide]

ok so when i merged armatures i merged the hairarmatures to the head, yet none of the bones are attached, is there a way i can fix this? (no, i cant ctrl z my way out of this)

[somber sequoia]

The way that mesh gets connected to bones is via skin weights (i.e. weight painting), and those are stored in vertex groups which match to bones based on their name.
If this mesh was weight painted before, possibly when merging you ended up with vertex groups that don't match the names of the bones in the new armature

you may be able to simply rename the vertex groups to match.

I can't tell what's going on there though - possibly instead you have the root of that hair not a child of the right bone (usually the head)?

[sharp magnet]

You can swap materials via animation clips, ye?

I have a stubborn clothing blendshape that just won't do as I want, and I'd like to solve this problem with a sledgehammer

[somber sequoia]

yes

[ornate stump]

Material and blendshape don't have anything to do with each other though?

[sharp magnet]

they're two ways of solving the same problem - making clothes disappear

I personally consider blendshapes a far more elegant solution, since you don't need another material

[somber sequoia]

you don't need another material

[sharp magnet]

oh? I thought you needed another slot. You can get another slot without another material?

[somber sequoia]

why would you need another material slot?

[sharp magnet]

Well, when I make my model, to cut down on resource usage, I make all the bits of clothes into a bit of a katamari mesh. Why I need the blendshapes in the first place, since I only have one mesh and can't disappear individual objects

[somber sequoia]

are you doing this for quest?

blendshapes make sense in that case, certainly

[sharp magnet]

Sorta, but i'm more just interested in seeing what I can do while still retaining 'good' performance

[somber sequoia]

I usually do UV tile discard.

[sharp magnet]

The model I've been kvetching over, for instance, has six outfits with granular control of what you wear and is yet in the green

[somber sequoia]

nice work

[sharp magnet]

problem is that a skirt does not take kindly to blending into the legs

[somber sequoia]

yep, exactly.

[sharp magnet]

so I'm getting out the sledgehammer and trying to figure out how to swap the skirt's material for something a bit more see-through

aha, found what I needed

[somber sequoia]

it was a long coat that got me using tile discard in the first place

[sharp magnet]

thing is I'm doing a lot of the optimization by hand

and I'm doing it the way Kerbal modders do it - which is to say, big sheet with UVs packed like sardines

[somber sequoia]

heh yeah, that sounds about right

[sharp magnet]

Can you do tile discards with a UV like that?

[somber sequoia]

yes

[sharp magnet]

well, it seems to work, but the other object with the same material is now being disappeared as well.

figured it out; now begins the process https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoBl1yEv790
(For those not in on the joke: in a Jon Bois documentary, this is usually the song that plays when it's time to grind through a seemingly endless spreadsheet)

[hasty gorge]

Would someone be able to help me? I’m trying to launch the creator companion for making avatars and for some reason the application in unity isn’t opening.

[worn kiln]

#creator-companion

[stray lintel]

hi

So im trying to do this

https://discussions.unity.com/t/making-an-object-invisible-to-player-but-not-other-players/641922/4

For a shader

would i need to modify the player view code?

[primal spruce]

anybody know how to add fake arms to ur avis?

i got a model with no arm and im trying to add a fake robotic arm, but it doesnt work, it stays attached to the avatar, but doesnt move like a left hand

not sure if thats because there neeeds to physically be a left arm first or what but it doesnt work dont know if im doing it wrong or not

[somber sequoia]

does the new arm have its own bones? How are you attaching it?

[spare gust]

Does anyone know how to make a poyomi dissolve toggle to were it will dissolve into another texture

[primal spruce]

What im doing is using vrc position and vrc rotation constraints on the the start of the bone connecting to my hips bone
And then using my rotation constraints on everything else and connect left arm to my left arm left wrist to my left wrist

Following a youtube tutorial i saw

But doesnt seem to work

[somber sequoia]

so.... it has bones? use VRCFury's armature link

[primal spruce]

And do i just place that in the fake arms armature?

[somber sequoia]

take a look at the docs, it should explain. they have a discord too

(I do this kind of thing in blender)

[versed bramble]

tf do i do lmao

[somber sequoia]

not cross-post, I answered in the other channel

[tall wharf]

i had no problem earlier but i closed the vrc sdk to put GoLoco on it because i forgot and now it no longer lets me publish..

how do i fix this without starting over

it just greys out and i can no longer publish to that project

[stray lintel]

did you uh

Did you modfy anything that would make it so it can't publish to

Mobile

[ornate stump]

Try closing and re openning unity.

[tardy nymph]

should i be worried about it?

[primal spruce]

do you have a link to the discord?, I cannot figure it out

i kkinda did it? i added a armature link to each and every armature bone and linked it up, which Kinda worked? except for the fact the fake arm is seperated and wiggly

[tardy nymph]

i found out that i selected the wrong thing

[ruby marsh]

hi chat, apologies if this is a common or super easy thing, but i can't seem to fix this no matter what i do
i'm passingly familiar with vrc unity stuff but much less experienced with unity in general

whenever i try to upload a (test) avatar, i get these errors
this happens with any avatar, even the default sample ones
i've tried updating the collections package, no dice, i've tried editing the NativeList.cs around the specific error, but it just reverts itself
i've reinstalled unity, reimported every package i can think of, tried different storage drives, i even tried it in a vm and got the same result

i got it to upload, somehow, one time the other day, but i haven't been able to recreate it, even in the same project without making changes

worth noting that i am using linux, my vm was on windows 10, but as far as i can tell the platform doesn't change anything

[somber sequoia]

I don't really use it but probably it's listed on their website?
But you should just need one armature link, not one per bone.

[somber sequoia]

you're using Unity 2022.3.22f1, right?

[ruby marsh]

yeah

[neat crow]

So i made clothing in blender for my avatar even thogh it fits snugg in blender it clips into my avatar on unity

[stuck oxide]

even with the visemes set up when i go into gesture manager the mouth is just stuck open, how do i fix this?

[somber sequoia]

often you have to make it a bit less snug. But yeah, this is how it goes, you have to get it close in blender, then test in unity.
I just did this tonight actually, made a new thing, thought I had it right, posed in VRChat and nope. I take pictures of the pose and the clipping, then go back to blender to try to recreate it so I can fix it.

[somber sequoia]

if you have a jawbone mapped in the rig setup, remove it

[stuck oxide]

sorry wdym im new to avi creation

?

oh i found itt

[neat crow]

the butt is the only clipping when i t pose but when moving everything starts clipping

[lavish hatch]

how do i add my own costum tatto on my paid avi?

and can i make a imiage that i can find on my phone a tatto?

[somber sequoia]

any image could be, sure.

[lavish hatch]

okie pefect. how?

[somber sequoia]

I'd probably do it with a decal using the Poiyomi shader.

[lavish hatch]

do you know if there are videos on that? i just started uploading avis today so im a little in the dark

[somber sequoia]

no idea. but there's some detail here: https://www.poiyomi.com/color-and-normals/decals
This won't work for a quest avatar though.

[neat crow]

ok i fixed my earlier problem it was the wrong body mesh but when i go into gesture manager to test it it still clips kinda

[somber sequoia]

looks like you need better weight paint still

[neat crow]

when i move

idk how to properly weight paint them and i found 0 videos coving how to do it

[raven apex]

is there any way to move your avatars position, lets say upwards and have our viewpoint move with it as well?

[somber sequoia]

I just searched youtube for "weight paint tutorial blender" and found a ton of videos

[neat crow]

ya but none explne how to properly do pants and stuff

[somber sequoia]

the first few I glanced at definitely do

you won't find something exactly specific to your avatar, you'll find generic stuff and have to learn from them and do what's needed for your own situation

[sudden violet]

The only thing they might not explain, is topology. You could use robust weight transfer to have a good starting point.

[somber sequoia]

it looks like they already have a decent starting point though, from there it's really just touch-up

and I say this as someone who is literally weight painting right now 🙂

[neat crow]

i tried everything I know with my skill level

[somber sequoia]

skills can be acquired

it's not easy

[sudden violet]

if you're lucky, this might do it for you, and need less "fixing" https://jinxxy.com/SentFromSpaceVR/robust-weight-transfer

it's just a better weight transfer addon

[somber sequoia]

yep, it's pretty great

just don't go thinking you can use that and it'll be perfect

[sudden violet]

^

it's a good starting point, but it won't save you from learning how to weight paint

[somber sequoia]

yep

[sudden violet]

Now that i think of it, we can do this even more easily.

• Gesture Left
• Gesture Right
• Expressions

In expressions, make all your facial toggles with an INT parameter. Make sure they use values from 1 and above.
In Gesture Left/Right, add in the transitions that the parameter has to be less than 1

[neat crow]

found out how to transfer and it fixed everything

[primal spruce]

what does

KeyNotFoundException The Given Key "name of the thing" was not present in the dictionary

mean?

[chrome osprey]

Could someone help me please?

I would like to change the color of my avatar's eyes but I can't do it.

[somber sequoia]

without context, some function tried to access a key in a dictionary that doesn't exist.

[primal spruce]

How do i fix that? im not sure what any of that means

[somber sequoia]

again, without any context, I have no way of knowing anything more about it.
If you have multiple errors, perhaps post the first 2-3

[somber sequoia]

yeah no idea

what were you doing to cause it?

[primal spruce]

Trying to export something in the hierachy as a FBX using a "FBX EXPORTER" from Package Manager

[somber sequoia]

you're trying to export a FBX from Unity? Don't do that.

your project probably already has an FBX file

[primal spruce]

Except it doesnt
and im not sure why

so only other way i could think of getting my hands on the fbx is by the fbx exporter

[somber sequoia]

that's very, very strange. If this wasn't a rip, I'd ask the creator for it

maybe it has a .obj?

[primal spruce]

it does

[somber sequoia]

oh, then that's probably your model file

[dusk falcon]

I’m using an avatar base I got , and I just want the hair to be seen not the head

Cuz my oc covers their eyes with thier bangs

It’s my hellaverse oc lol

[timid kite]

is there any male heads that come with seamless neck connection?

[chrome osprey]

Could someone help me please?
I would like to change the color of my avatar's eyes but I can't do it.

[opaque flax]

on the gesture left/right do i just make the parameter in the same transition or add another one?

[sudden violet]

Same transition. The idea is that they don't play UNLESS that value is set to 0

[opaque flax]

like this?

[sudden violet]

less than 1, not 0

[opaque flax]

whoops my bad

[opaque flax]

alright i got it to work thank you for this easier method

[primal spruce]

any way i can make a bone item (hand) be toggled on and off in blender? cause i can merge it to make it one model, but what if i want the hand to be a toggle? and if i toggle it on, it works fine?

[sudden violet]

Either blendshapes, or UVtile discard with shaders.

[primal spruce]

not sure what that means-

[sudden violet]

wait, what do you mean for "bone item" exactly

like, you're trying to literally turn your hand off? Or something that you hold in your hand?

[primal spruce]

I have a model with a missing arm, and i got another model with robot arms, i took the robot arms off and put it in a good place as a prosthetic arm

And i can merge it in and make it one but

I wanna make a toggle so i can turn on and off the other models arm but also make it functional on my avatar

Any way?

[sudden violet]

i assume you already figured out the armature and weight painting?

[primal spruce]

Weight painting no, couldnt even see the option

But for the amature yes but no
Using something called Cars Addon that allowed me to click a button which merges the armatures and makes it one

[sudden violet]

you'll have to make it functional before you even think about making it a toggle

but to answer your question, you can make a toggle if you merge them, with either blendshapes, or UVtile discard (it's present in some shaders like Poyomi)

they are both fairly straight forward, you can find tutorials about them easily

[primal spruce]

Alright

[primal spruce]

So all i need is blendhsapes or Uvtile discard and thats it km done?

[sudden violet]

If i understand your setup correctly, yes

I've heard you can do toggles with bones. If they have their own bones, that might work too, but i've never done it.

[inland zealot]

did anyone have problem like this? any solution? i already try to turn off my ipv6, reinstall my unity and VCC

[sick loom]

gotta be -1 to activate

[lean edge]

ok so i need some serious help with a model im working on and its driving me up a wall, right now im working on making HSV (hue saturation value) sliders for several pieces of clothing on an avi, and even though i manually went through each one setting up all the paramaters correctly, it seems that only the value sliders are working while the hue and saturation sliders for each piece of clothing arent, and i cannot figure out why.

For context I am using the liltoon shader but i have access to poiyomi and other shaders assuming there is known bugs with liltoon preventing these sliders from properly working, and its the same for every mesh with an HSV set of animation clips assigned to it, any ideas on what i might be doing wrong?

and for reference when it was only 1 layer it was working prefectly fine, once i made the rest i decided to have a hissy fit

[sly rose]

Heyy, I just wanted to know if there where a simple way to do 2D Visemes ?

[sudden violet]

if you put "less than -1", it would activate when it's 0?

actually, could've simply put "equals 0" now that i think of it, but i'm still curious about that reply

[soft aurora]

Thought i fixed it, guess not lmao, Im trying to make it so the stick hits the cymbal and not pushes it

[sick loom]

no, less than -1 is -2...

[sudden violet]

oh, then no, that's not what we were trying to do.

we wanted it to activate if it was 0

[sick loom]

yes

I was just trying to say that they made it so it had to be -1 or less originally for it to work

[sudden violet]

Oooh i get what you mean, nevermind.

[soft aurora]

Currently trying all of my ideas, if anyones free to help please do!

[light charm]

hey i have a question
soooo... is it possible to have 8-bit icons in the expressions? or will they just become a blurry mess? here's an example

[ornate stump]

Set texture filtering to Point.

[light charm]

sweet, alr i'll try that

thx for the help

[soft aurora]

As of right now, nothing has worked from my knowledge, As ove said, Id like it so that the drumstick hits the cymbal making it move

[ornate stump]

How did you make it?

[soft aurora]

I basically did wieght painting in blender to the bones

Then added phys components to all the bones

then added phys colliders to the sticks, sized em appropriately

And this is the outcome

Ive tried changing a bunch of phys settings to no avail

Closest ive gotten is changing the pull setting but it would still push the cymbal away

I wonder if there is a way to make it so that the cymbals collide with the sticks without a phys collider

Would this be better posted in #avatar-dynamics ?

[sly rose]

soo is there a easy way ?
Cause I've looked tutorials on Youtube but it's doesn't work for me

[river jewel]

good news is me got assassin outfit to, well, fit, bad news is I'm trying to figure out a way to make contact toggles that way I could pick up ma dual knives from ma back and sippbox's tutorial ain't helping

tryna get the same look as soshiro hoshina ya see 😌

[somber sequoia]

Looks like you have both weights at 1 - probably you want one of those 1 and the other 0.

[river jewel]

oooh I see

[somber sequoia]

1 = where the thingy is. 0 = where the thingy isn't.

[unkempt iris]

hi!!! quick question: do i add physbones in unity or blender? not surew when im supposed to add them so my hair isnt stiff 😭

[somber sequoia]

you add bones in blender, and make them physbones in Unity

[unkempt iris]

alright!!

[quaint hound]

quick question about physbones;
I have a tail with 25 bones. I do not need every single bone to have a physbone, specifically due to optimization concerns. is there any way I can reduce the amount of physbones?

or would I have to use ignore transforms and do that for every 3-4th bone?

[somber sequoia]

You mean physbone transforms, right? You can ignore some, there's the "ignore transforms" slot, but for a tail it might be better to bring it into Blender (or similar) and merge some bones

[quaint hound]

sybauuu i hate blender

alright

i should prooobably do that

[vernal quarry]

I'm trying to disable eye blinking when doing a hand gesture (thumbs up = closed eyes expression) by using Animator Tracing Control, but it doesn't work. Any idea how to fix that?

[somber sequoia]

that's how I do it.

Ideally you put it on its own state before the actual gesture

enter -> wait/choose -> disable blinking -> do gesture -> enable blinking -> exit

[twilit glen]

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[foggy torrent]

can someone help me i want to ad gunshots to my vrc avi's gun

?

[somber sequoia]

not quest, right?

[foggy torrent]

i mean

yeah for quest

[somber sequoia]

you can't do audio on quest

[foggy torrent]

it's fine

but effects right?

[somber sequoia]

sure

[foggy torrent]

well can you help me? what do i need to do or what do i neet to get?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what effect you want or what you have, you'd have to provide some detail

[foggy torrent]

well i'm looking for a good effect rn but i pretty much have one ig and i'm tryna get the effect on a weapon prop

a shot on a gun to specify

[somber sequoia]

well presumably there's a variable that triggers the gun to shoot, and an animation to do the shooting, you can edit that and add more effects

[foggy torrent]

right but how do i set that up?

i got the gun working on the menu

just no shooting

[somber sequoia]

I like to used the "point" gesture as "gun ready" and "fist" as "gun fire", it feels pretty natural.

[foggy torrent]

got it but still

i don't know how to implement that

[somber sequoia]

Do you know how to work with the animator?

[foggy torrent]

uhu

i also have toggles i made and stuff

[vernal quarry]

so setting it up like this? (pretend the "new state" ones are gestures)

[somber sequoia]

Yeah that's pretty much how I have mine

though I have two paths, since I only disable blinking for the eyes closed gestures.

[foggy torrent]

what do i do now (not tryna be pushy or annoying btw sry)

[somber sequoia]

I can't really teach you live, but I'm happy to answer specific questions. There's probably a tutorial somewhere though

[foggy torrent]

well

the effect is an animation i made in unity

the gun is it's own prop

how do i "connect" them ig so for example spesific gesture for shooting?

[somber sequoia]

make your shoot animation happen when one of the gesture parameters is the value you want.
They're listed here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#built-in-parameters

[vernal quarry]

so like make the non-closed ones only connected to idle and exit?

[somber sequoia]

right

[vernal quarry]

aight thanks! I'll see if i can make it work lmao

[earnest gust]

Hello Guys! I played yesterday with the game, and uploaded my VTuber avatar. Today, I got this message again. I spent time in the game. Why is it showed up again?

[somber sequoia]

You haven't spent enough time

[earnest gust]

I have 10 hour, what could be yeah. But it's worked yesterday, and before. Or is it normal, if the game decided, okay, 10 hours is not enough?

[somber sequoia]

it's not really time

[ornate stump]

Written in here https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1139228456090087495

[earnest gust]

Thank youu!

[somber sequoia]

wait, it worked before but doesn't now? Same account?

[earnest gust]

Yep

I just made some changes on my model today, and I was suprised, when this thing showed up xd

[ornate stump]

Might have to check again if you got downgraded back to Visitor.

[somber sequoia]

is that a thing?

[ornate stump]

It's possible.

[earnest gust]

Damn. What thing can cause that?

[somber sequoia]

rude.

[earnest gust]

I just plays only with my friends

[somber sequoia]

(not you, the game)

[ornate stump]

10 hours barely can promote you to New User. So something minute could send you back to Visitor.

[twilit glen]

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[earnest gust]

Ahh

Then I guess, I really should put more hour to the game

Because it's my avatar, what I uploaded yesterday lmao

The "new" thing means perhaps, I was promoted back as a new player I guess

[next sand]

hey guys. any reason the SDK won't let me upload an avatar despite being the new user rank?

[slate lantern]

Anyone know how to fix this problem for the hand tracking on avatars? (Aka ghost hand) I do know there's a way to remove this problem yet cannot figure out what is the current cause of this.

[soft aurora]

Found an easier way to explain

How would i make it so that the cymbal doesn't magnet to the collider and instead gets pushed away by the collider

If thats even possible

[warm cedar]

Avatar help please!! I’m current working in blender, I am trying to match the bangs to the hair on my nova beast! But the novabangs r darker in unity

(Unity perspective)

I am still learning myself, help will be appreciated

[limpid cargo]

i think, camera is detecting your room something.
camera thinking, mistaking a hand…

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know why my animation previews might not be working...?

i'm really confused as to what's going on here. I press the preview button, but the values don't change