avatar-help

[fallow gulch]

You can copy paste components as well

In fact.. if you use the new VRC Constraints, then you can just move the entire tail setup outside of the tail, and use the "Root" field to make the constraint act like it is on the bone

You can do the same with contacts and stuff

[somber sequoia]

I do this, works great

[crystal sierra]

Yeh, problem is it's using a true digitigrade setp so there's load of constraits as well

[somber sequoia]

yeah, I unfortunately have that to deal with too 🙂

[crystal sierra]

Furry problems 😔 😔

[somber sequoia]

yep

[night ember]

Now was it the fbx as the prefab or was it a prefab dragged into the scene

Since a prefab is not actually attached to the fbx anymore so altering the fbx doesnt update that prefab

[crystal sierra]

It does seem to have made an update to the prefabs, specifically breaking it lol

[night ember]

Well yea you got rid of the fbx the prefab was using

But using a prefab and not the actual fbx itself wont update if you overwrite the fbx

[crystal sierra]

I think I understand what you mean

As in it breaks the reference to the data but doesn't push an update, i.e. bones

[night ember]

You drag the fbx into scene its still attached to the fbx in your files
You drag the prefab into scene and all it knows is a mesh and objects in scene
No longer attached to the fbx file

If you update the fbx then the fbx in scene will also update
If you update the fbx the prefab will just see the mesh was changed

You cant add bones in unity

[crystal sierra]

Time to manually copy paste the 35 components that live in the armature ig

[fallow gulch]

At least it will be easy to copy paste afterwards, if you name things right, and organize them well

[crystal sierra]

A friend I was in a call with actually just game me a brilliant idea which is just to make the tail its own gameobject

and export it separately

Since it technically isn't contiguous with the mesh

I'll give that a shot soon, I need to go to bed, been fighting unity too long LOL

[fallow gulch]

Good idea with the tail ^

[misty ridge]

How did my sdk just load without asking me to log in in a new project xd

[left gull]

bump

[timber wharf]

@left gull exit time 1

[timid kite]

can somebody give me names of all male body bases u can think of? other than aki and ace

[left gull]

you could always look on Jinxxy and specify the tags as "male" or "base"

[timid kite]

i did.

[night ember]

Could use boothplorer

Or whatever the sibling site for booth is called

[drowsy fjord]

can someone like tell me how to fix floating hair

so in unity it looks normal. totally good. but in game it floats 3 lightyears above the head (like 1-2 heads above)

it’s just 1 hair, everything else works. I already put the armature link onto the head and dragged the hair itself not only into the avatar but specifically onto the head thing

I don’t know what to do with it anymore, but the hair HAS worked before. I know I found a fix one time, just don’t remember what. I was hoping someone here would know.

[desert elk]

phsybone collider?

[drowsy fjord]

wdym?

[desert elk]

is there a phsybone collider on the hair? that could cause it to be like that

[drowsy fjord]

unsure. I’ll check. Can I dm you?

I will be home In an hour or so, just didn’t expect anyone to answer so fast.

[desert elk]

No

[drowsy fjord]

Alrighty then. Well I’ll check that.

[drowsy fjord]

fixed it! the issue was the position being aligned in the armature link which i somehow didn't see yesterday (guessing i was too tired), thank you though!

[lucid rapids]

how i can add like a folder like the gocoloco ?

[somber sequoia]

you want to create a new menu, add a submenu item to the existing menu, and drag the submenu into that item

[lucid rapids]

how to make another menu ?

[ornate stump]

Assets -> Create -> VRChat -> Expression Menu

[lucid rapids]

ty all

[frail temple]

Anyone have any idea how to fix this? (asking for a friend)

[somber sequoia]

what is "this"?

[frail temple]

Sorry, Outline is being applied on the face instead of just the outlines of the avatar

[somber sequoia]

is it one material? there's probably a way to mask where it applies

[frail temple]

Yeah it's one material

[glass condor]

Every time I make a new project in Unity through the VR chat SDK, I get a compiler error that causes my avatar to fail security checks.

I did some checking, and it MIGHT be Modular Avatar doing it, which is weird because I've never had this issue before???

[tardy wigeon]

anybody have any idea why i cant upload my avatar i couldnt figure out the issue at all

blueprint seems fine

[pine valley]

a compile error would stop you from building the avatar at all

[pine valley]

hm, there's nothing obvious here -- the first two lines are shader compilation warnings (which won't stop the build), and the last four lines are all just the SDK complaining that it failed

Can you upload another avatar successfully?

[tardy wigeon]

i have uploaded other avatars before yes

havent tried any other since this one

it does go to almost 100% but then at the very end just says it fails

[glass condor]

you sure? Cuz this one was one that told me to enter Safe Mode before the project even opened

so it's not the one you'd get during uploading at least

[pine valley]

you especially can't build an avatar if the editor is stuck in safe mode

You get that prompt if there's a compile error when the project is opened

normally, Unity can just keep using the last successful compilation

but when opening the project, there is no "last successful compilation"

so it asks you to put it in Safe Mode

[glass condor]

yeah no I wasn't in safe mode when I uploaded it and I got the failed security check thing

I fixed it tho, it was definitely modular avatar

which is weird

[arctic ginkgo]

become plantigrade animal like bear or kangaroo then you have no more issue lol

[split sentinel]

Trying to make this work but the arrow keeps turning whenever it collides

[strong zephyr]

Hi, How's it going? I have a little issue, and an embarrassing one at that. I just uploaded my avatar to Windows version, and when I went to vrchat to test my model out, When I got there, her clothes were gone. That's not the problem, because I expected that would happen, I can't figure out how choose her main outfit. The problem lies in GoLoco>Expressions>Clothes>"Outfit name)... And as it works just fine where i am, when I leave to go to another world, my clothes disappear, and I didn't know this, and found out the hard way. So can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this issue?

[split sentinel]

don't fully get what the issue is, do you mean they swap back to being off for everyone but you? or do they go off for you aswell

[strong zephyr]

Her clothes won't stay on

Yes, they go off for me as well

[split sentinel]

ah, so it could just be a parameter thing

[strong zephyr]

Please, do tell lol

[split sentinel]

unity has a thing called "saved"

it needs to be on

[strong zephyr]

Under?

[split sentinel]

its in parameters

for the avatar

[strong zephyr]

Ok, Hold on

[split sentinel]

less you're using vrcfury then there is another option

[strong zephyr]

Yes, I'm using VRCfury as well

[split sentinel]

if the toggle was made using vrcfury then go to options for the toggle and turn on saved between worlds

[strong zephyr]

Ok, Let me try that. I'll get back to you.

[strong zephyr]

I have to Open the project, My world is open at the moment, Hold on, this will take some time.

[junior kayak]

how do i fix this ?

[somber sequoia]

what did you do to cause this?

[night ember]

whered you get the model

[junior kayak]

i was just importing it

[night ember]

whered you get it

[somber sequoia]

looks like it didn't import well, that's going to be fun. Re-rig maybe?

[night ember]

I only ever see stuff like that happening when you export from unity as fbx

[somber sequoia]

ahh, I haven't seen one of those yet

[junior kayak]

i did export it from unity

[night ember]

whered you get the model

[somber sequoia]

ideally don't do that, it's not going to work how you want. You can import the .fbx file into Blender just fine though

[pine valley]

exporting an FBX out of unity...usually blows up like this

just use the original model file, yeah

[halcyon geode]

Decided to revive an older avi project of mine for an april fools funny and uh, this is happening. It's either a Blender or a Unity thing but I thought it best to try and reach out here.

[strong zephyr]

I've Done all that, I still have yet to test it out. Can you add me, and I'll get back to you when I am able to?

[desert elk]

"This" meaning?

[tardy wigeon]

still have no idea about this issue if anyone could help

[halcyon geode]

In-game screen shot of the error occurring. Basically the rig or mesh is deforming strangely when in reality it is supposed to look like this in the second pic.

Was able to reset the pose and re configure everything. Now things should work

[zenith escarp]

Anybody know of an easy way to "freeze to world" but to local space (based on player root) instead? (Constraints) I'm trying to use bake offsets but am experiencing a slew of issues.

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - use a parent constraint with your armature as the target object

weight that to 1 when you want it stuck

[zenith escarp]

And that will allow me to choose a position to lock the object in relative to my root? Not just placing it AT the root itself?

[pine valley]

It was probably off by a factor of 100 on the scale

this will cause you to implode

[somber sequoia]

no but you could instead make an empty game object under the avatar anywhere and use that as the target

I usually literally call these "Target.Thingy" or similar so it's obvious what it's for

[pine valley]

the "Rebake Offsets When Unfrozen" option sounds useful -- you could freeze and unfreeze the prop

[zenith escarp]

My issue is that I'm trying to reposition an object by freezing it (placing it down) but I still need it to follow my avatar, not be stuck in the world

[zenith escarp]

I've been trying this but it's been giving me issues.

[pine valley]

I haven't actually used it before tho

[somber sequoia]

Yes, so you don't use the world lock at all, you instead lock to a target object on your avatar.

[zenith escarp]

Specificially because of how they changed "freeze to world" to activate at the end of the frame

[pine valley]

you'd need to freeze it for one frame, then unfreeze it

[zenith escarp]

Problem seems to be every time I "rebake it", it moves further away

I'm not sure how I'd reset the position

I tried animating the offsets to 0,0,0 at the start of the animation

but that didn't want to work

This is how I have the animation set up right now

With bake offsets enabled

[pine valley]

one thing to watch out for: it's possible for the animator to completely skip over one of these steps

You could rule that out by slowing this animation down

I believe VRCFury uses a trick with AAPs to guarantee that something gets set for exactly one frame. I need to look at that closer

[pine valley]

Oh, especially for Freeze To World

[zenith escarp]

I don't know about that, I've never had issues with animations skipping over frames before.

[pine valley]

If the value is greater than zero, it's "true"

It depeneds on how you recorded this, I guess

If you got constant keyframes for the Freeze to World curve, it should be okay

[pine valley]

but if you wound up with linear/smooth interpolation, you'll get values between 0 and 1 anywhere except for exactly at the keyframe

you can check by looking at the Curves view

[zenith escarp]

I set them all to constant. Let me test it.

No change

I'm stumped

Guess the answer to my original question is no lmao

[uneven ferry]

How do I get avatars that aren't just the default ones in the mirror

[somber sequoia]

er, what do you mean?

[zenith escarp]

They're talking about the default avatars in the default home world, placed around the mirror

[somber sequoia]

ohhh

I never go there, forgot that exists

[zenith escarp]

Go to avatar worlds and click on the images of avatars (pedestals) or go to public worlds and click on players and clone their avatars (with your quick menu open in your other hand and only if they have it enabled and their avatar is public). If in Desktop Mode, the same applies, but your menu obviously won't be in your hand.

[uneven ferry]

Ty

[vestal nova]

Was wondering if anyone knows why my Unity has started to eat up about 70-80% of my ram now after being open for a couple of minutes/after an upload, I have 32GB of ram. This never happened before, but It started happening a week or two ago and was wondering if there was an update or something in my software causing the problem.

[pine valley]

Does it happen in a specific project?

I once blundered and created a light probe group with like 16 million probes in it

This made Unity very upset (and caused it to eat a ton of memory)

[vestal nova]

I'm not exactly sure, but I've had the same project that I always use for my personal model and after an upload my memory starts spiking to 90-90%

[burnt plank]

does anyone knows wahts the lighting called where ur avatar looked more realistic/hd

[somber sequoia]

oh, you did that in multiple places 😦

[onyx osprey]

need help with this (atempted to play test avatar to check for problem)

[somber sequoia]

try looking in the console for errors

[onyx osprey]

ohh thanks

[surreal bane]

are physbones still screwy? i remember upvoting a post in the forum about long physbones in like flow toys being all janky, added flowy chains to my avi recently and they're a little jank, figured the problem just isnt fixed yet?

[junior kayak]

is there really no other way to combine material without passing by blemder ?

[somber sequoia]

unless you also have constraints on them, I don't think it's that issue

[surreal bane]

rad

[surreal bane]

this is the forum post i was referring to btw, im having same issue as here https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/latest-updates-messed-with-pre-existing-physbones

sorry cat

already upvoted it, just hadnt checked in to see if it was fixed yet

[somber sequoia]

oh interesting, that's a new one to me

[misty lagoon]

will love if someone can help me finally iron this problem out.

I'm trying to successfully my finish my "dual avatar" that has a version visible for pc and different version automatically visible for quest users.

I've read for this to work both parameter trees have to be identical. I've created 3 toggles with modular avatar, on both, affixed to the same positions in the hierarchy on both avatars (they are the same avatar, the quest version is just highly modified to have lower textures and resolution and shading so its quest viable).

however I keep getting this error about my 3 toggles.

I'm a bit of a scrub and new to unity, so if there's someone out there my better who can help me figure out why these toggles seem to be messing things up...that'd be awesome. I've even removed all 3 toggles from both projects and i will still get this error now. I need to know what this is referencing and where to try and make them look identical.

[untold minnow]

my mesh is transparent does anyone know how to fix this?

[somber meadow]

remove the node that's connected to alpha

[untold minnow]

nothing happened

[somber meadow]

turn your alpha to one

and also you're most likely looking at the wrong material

[untold minnow]

I wasnt, thank you

[agile reef]

trying to get an avatar into blender but when I go to import the fbx it isn't doing anything.. is there a max size of the fbx to import or something?

[worldly marlin]

anyone know what looking up and looking down is

[sick timber]

Hey does anyone know how I can get a avi taken down that my past ex copied and made it public and ripped it.

[somber sequoia]

it allows you to use a shape key which adjusts the eyes and/or eyelids and/or eyebrows and/or whatever when your avatar looks up or down

[somber sequoia]

support ticket surely

[inner bison]

so im trying to launch unity to work on an avatar but it just doesnt want to work?

this only happens when i switch to quest

nvm it fixed itself somehow

[soft cedar]

I need suggestion. I wanna use a material that acts like the Standard shader, but I can change it's colors using the animation tool. Should I make my own shader or is there already one that exist?

[somber sequoia]

sure, there are lots. Mochie and Orels make shaders which are pretty close drop-ins for the Standard shader but add those features.

I figured you could animate the standard one though

[soft cedar]

Neat!
Do you have a link?

[somber sequoia]

not offhand, I'd google for both names and the word "shader", you'll find them

[soft cedar]

ok

[charred epoch]

I have run into a weird problem where when i create a new creator companion project and import poiyomi, it keeps getting stuck on the waiting for unity's code to finish

And it seems to specifically relate to the fact that it opens up 8 shader compilers and then maxing out my cpu

[somber sequoia]

yeah shader compiling can take a surprisingly long time

I have this issue on my laptop

[charred epoch]

It wasn't like this a couple weeks ago is the thing

[spare gust]

Having some issues with the hair in unity. I have tried to flip the normals but it still won’t work I used the curve tool then turned it into a mesh not sure if this is a issue for other ppl

[charred epoch]

Another thing i ran into is that i have uploaded a pc and quest version of an avatar but vrchat is giving me an x over its performance and shows the error robot in the preview

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone have any ideas for how to set up these legs properly? the knees bend a too much while walking and they tend to twist inward sometimes

he is plantigrade btw, not digitigrade

[onyx pecan]

can someone help me rig my avatar

[arctic ginkgo]

same as human

but the strange proportions make the thigh bend weird

[onyx pecan]

im confused on how to rig this

[somber sequoia]

that's going to be fun

look up how to do digitgrade legs, it's not too bad to do a basic version, but looking at the proportions you have there, that's not going to be ideal here.

[arctic ginkgo]

do you think something similar to a digi constraint setup would help in my case too?

[onyx pecan]

idk how to rig thats why i need help

[somber sequoia]

yep

[old holly]

Are there any guides as to reasons that impostor generation would fail?
I currently have an avatar that I've exported from Blender 3.6, there are a few warnings in the validations list related to sound/stations/pelvis angles but they're definitely not blocking because I have previously generated impostors for an older version of this mesh.
After some testing with not building an Android version, removing some personal prefabs, etc., all the evidence seems to point to the mesh itself being an issue. I attempted some optimizations including texture atlasing, reducing materials, reducing meshes, and everything seems to behave correctly in the real version but whatever I did just doesn't play nice with impostor generation.
I think I found it? Some weirdness with export settings. Re-exporting as VRM seems to be ill-advised even though it worked before.

[somber sequoia]

though for you you could probably just do straight humanoid bones

[arctic ginkgo]

i did, and they look okay, but the problem is the thigh bone rotates too high when walking/using FBT and it keeps snapping to an inward twist

not like the knee is bending inwards, the thigh bone is rolling inwards and it makes the leg look super weird

[somber sequoia]

yup. rotation constraint time

[charred epoch]

Okay, fixed my last question, new one, I have an avatar that is very jittery when it moves, only i see it and it is only on that specific avatar

[untold minnow]

I pressed close area on accident now I cant see any of my options on the right

can anyone help?

[ornate stump]

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/2.93/interface/window_system/areas.html

[untold minnow]

but

my options

these lil dudes

[ornate stump]

After you get the new area, change area type to Properties.

[untold minnow]

okay thank you

[untold minnow]

how, do I do that exactly?

[ornate stump]

The button at the top left of area you want to change.

[untold minnow]

which button at the top left

I got it

I was looking in the literal top left of my screen

thank you

[ornate stump]

Yet I mean "of area you want to change".

[untold minnow]

[plucky latch]

I'm recently getting back into avatar editing, lots of things are very new and would appreciate some tips or advice. Have been running into to troubles with this warmer set for a Nardo Dragon, the set doesn't seem to have a root bone, nor a spine/hips bone to take priority like some of my other assets. Curious if anyone has some advice as to where/how to better parent/link the warmers. The toggle does work with them through vrc fury to enable and disable them, but they just don't move with the character, but they kinda "follow" the avatar around still in the world

[night ember]

Blender would be better

[plucky latch]

yeah, that's what I've seen online so far, but i'm pretty lost when it comes to blender and bone parenting with meshes

[night ember]

If the bones are named the same then just import the nardo first then the warmers

Then click the warmers mesh then ctrl click the armature of the nardo

[plucky latch]

Mostly they are named the same yep

[night ember]

Theb ctrl P I believe is the keybind to reparent

[night ember]

This isnt a mostly they need to be named exactly the same

[plucky latch]

Yeah, that is true, the warmers just have the additional distinction of warmers at the end of the bones

[tiny dock]

attempting to add a mixamo animation to my avatar but it's giving me this error, the paths are identical to the bone names on the rig

[somber meadow]

it's supposed to be "Armature/hips", and ect

Animations start from the root object, not the armature object

[tiny dock]

how would i fix this

[somber meadow]

Rewrite the animation's paths to include "Armature" in the beginning

[tiny dock]

how do i do this

sorry for a lot of questions i rarely mess with animations on my avatars

[ornate stump]

Bone path shouldn't matter. Humanoid rig would be controlled via muscle parameters. Having animation controlling transform directly would not work anyway.

[tiny dock]

what

how do i add the animation

i've never had issues importing these things before but that's probably because i made the animations in blender and they're attached to the model files

this one i got from mixamo

[ornate stump]

You would have to find animation clip that's controlling humanoid muscle parameters.

[tiny dock]

i don't know what this means at all

[ornate stump]

Ask for further explanation then.

Take a look in the sample animation and see how proxy animation actually animate. You would see the difference between your animation and proxy animation.

[tiny dock]

nvm i figured it out the other guy was right

[ornate stump]

So you thought re-pathing animation would work? That's is a no.

[tiny dock]

fym so i thought it is literally working right now

[ornate stump]

Then that might be a bigger problem: is your model configure as humanoid rig?

[tiny dock]

yes? it has been?

[ornate stump]

As in you had set it in fbx import menu and change it from generic to humanoid.

[tiny dock]

yes

[ornate stump]

Ok. I guess I might be wrong then.

[tiny dock]

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-gif-22556901

embed failure

[burnt plank]

can anyone tell me how do i fix thison unity its fine but after i upload it messes up

[ornate stump]

Did you test with gesture manager?

[burnt plank]

yes doesnt work with that either

[ornate stump]

So in unity it actually isn't fine.

[burnt plank]

maybe something wrong with this ?

am like completely new to unity

[ornate stump]

Link to should be Hips.

[burnt plank]

i did that same issue thats why tried with spine still doesnt work

[ornate stump]

Keep it Hips.

[burnt plank]

ok

[ornate stump]

How did you scale your avatar?

[burnt plank]

just drag and droppped the outfit

[ornate stump]

Does that answer you didn't change scale of the avatar?

[burnt plank]

yes

[ornate stump]

Check the scale of the avatar object. Is it all one?

[burnt plank]

yes it is

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the unity window to confirm?

[ornate stump]

You are looking at cloth object. Not the avatar object.

[ornate stump]

Then check armature scale for both object.

[ornate stump]

Armature scale isn't 1 vrcf probably doesn't like that. I'm not sure what to do in this case though.

[azure basin]

Should I make the blendshapes change scale of the bones or the mesh itself?Talking about the chest

[ornate stump]

If size doesn't change too much then just blendshape.

[azure basin]

I see, thank you!

[viscid arch]

I desperately need help setting up a avatar I'm new to everything and don't know what I'm doing, I was only showed how to rig

[desert elk]

have you checked this?
https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1139228456090087495

[viscid arch]

Been looking at it

[desert elk]

good, what issues are you facing?

[viscid arch]

The animation stuff every time I import got a thing called "body main" and it's causing it to not be uploaded

Sum bout empty animation

[ornate stump]

Might as well post the screenshot of your unity window.

[viscid arch]

uh if i can figure out how to.. new to pc stuff

[ornate stump]

You could search google for everything trivial

#avatar-help message

[viscid arch]

whatever this is

[viscid arch]

alr thx

[ornate stump]

The animation doesn't have anything on it.

[viscid arch]

so i gotta replace..

[ornate stump]

Not even sure what you're trying to solve.

[viscid arch]

its stopping me from uploading is what im tryna fix

been at this for 7 hr nothing uploaded yet

[ornate stump]

Better screenshot the message it show.

[viscid arch]

kk

[ornate stump]

Note that Animator is not the same thing as Animation.

[viscid arch]

oh srry :(

[ornate stump]

And it's 0 tris, you actually put avatar descriptor on a wrong object.

[viscid arch]

should it be above the rig

[ornate stump]

That's be wrong wording. It must be on the avatar root object.

[viscid arch]

kk

[viscid arch]

what would the root be btw

rry was setting up lip sync

[desert elk]

the first thing in the hierarchy

of your avatar

usually has a blue box next to the name

[junior kayak]

How to make my put a custom fallback avatar ?

[desert elk]

You need to upload a good/excellent avatar for all platforms (pc and quest, idk if ios is also needed). And in the sdk you should have a button to set it as custom fallback, after uploading the quest version

it tells you

"switch to android platform to set it"

[junior kayak]

oh wow thanks

[viscid arch]

they are all grey..

[desert elk]

send a screenshot of your hierarchy and I'll tell you where to put it

if it's all gray you probably unpacked your prefab, which you should never do

[viscid arch]

oh all? alr

[desert elk]

full screenshot please, from this it looks like it would be the top one, I can't read the name because it's cut off

and unpacked which is bad

[viscid arch]

how do i fix?

[desert elk]

you start over

you can't undo unpacking

I'm not sure why you even did it in the first place 🤷

[viscid arch]

thats fine

[desert elk]

but nvm

[viscid arch]

again idk what im doing

[desert elk]

avatar descriptor goes on the top object

[viscid arch]

first avi first time on unity

[desert elk]

that would be a blue box if you didn't unpack

also make sure you're not in play mode

because that would make all boxes gray

I don't know if you are or not, because the screenshot isn't clear

[balmy barn]

youtube tutorial time

[viscid arch]

where would that setting be because i think i saw something ab it

[desert elk]

top middle

the play icon

if it's blue you're probably in play mode, if I remember correctly

[viscid arch]

it wasnt T T

all i did was import from blender

[desert elk]

🤷

regardless of what you did, the avatar descriptor needs to be on the root

so move it there

[viscid arch]

k so over amature

i got one preset model building rn

imma screenshot it and try to work off of it

[viscid arch]

sooooo theres this now

[wintry field]

Does anyone know why the Additive Layer isn't popping up?

[ornate stump]

The model isn't configured as humanoid.

[pastel nest]

good day, i am trying to put the matchiri_shader on my avi, its not a booth avi and as far as i understand i just have to use the lilToon shader on my body and then add the shader and set it up with the mesh and the mask, but this isn't working am i missing something? do i have to turn on tesselation (which doesn't want to turn on)

[coral arch]

trying to upload my avatar, it already has gogoloco installed but naturally that's broken soooo now i need to update gogo annnnd that's already destroyed one project because in attempting to fix these errors it deleted my entire parameter list,

it keeps giving me this error and idk what it's wanting

[somber sequoia]

seems like you didn't install gogo loco

huh but I see the files right there, interesting

[coral arch]

yuuup that's why i'm losing my mind

[somber sequoia]

I don't use Fury for this, no idea really. But there is a discord for it

[coral arch]

could you dm me a inv link for it? TwT before i go bald due to the utter stress lol

[pine valley]

one important thing: unity cares about the asset's GUID, not the filepath.

VRCFury remembers the path as well so that it can show you the error

[somber sequoia]

I don't know the link, but I bet it's in their docs

[pine valley]

So it is technically possible to have files at the correct path, but with different IDs

[somber sequoia]

oh true - could just delete the whole gogo loco folder and reinstall it

[pine valley]

this is unlikely, unless you:

• are using a completely unrelated set of assets whose names just happen to match (unlikely)
• just copied the asset files over and didn't include the .meta files

The latter would cause Unity to generate new IDs for all of the assets, which would not match what the Fury full controller is expecting

[coral arch]

that's what ended up deleting my entire parameter list last time soooooo

[pine valley]

don't put your assets into random folders

[somber sequoia]

I cannot see why that would happen unless for some reason you used the gogo parameters list itself as your avatar parameters

[pine valley]

or that, yes

[somber sequoia]

so yeah, don't put your asset into random folders

[coral arch]

i can just stream what's going on if that'd help

[pine valley]

Get rid of the entire GoGo folder. Reimport it from the .unitypackage

[somber sequoia]

(make backups, etc)

[pastel nest]

anyone has used the motchiri_shader on a non booth avi?

[somber sequoia]

can't say I've heard of it

[coral arch]

do i need to apply the base additive and actions manually or will the vrcf handle that?

[somber sequoia]

if you're using fury for gogo loco, you do nothing manually, just drag the prefab onto your avatar

[coral arch]

ok idk wjy it deleted my parameters last time but this time it all worked, so confusing but bleh unity thankies for the help everyone~ i hope you both have an amazing day~

[pine valley]

#avatar-help message

[coral arch]

oh also

[coral arch]

i've used liltoon, looks pretty decent ngl but it's not for everyone

[pastel nest]

liltoon is easy enough 🙂 and this custom one isn't doing what it should and i am not sure if i am missing something :/

[lime mural]

this only happens when i install fury and run playmode through gesture manager

my rig was fine before installing fury

now it just looks like this

[pastel nest]

is your avi rig setup correct?

[lime mural]

no idea what caused this

[pastel nest]

your hips is spine

and your chest is also spine?

and your upper chest is chest?

just rig it again as humanoid

and see if it works

[lime mural]

this is humanoid

[pastel nest]

yes

so make it not humanoid apply and then make it humanoid agian and apply

and set it to the correct bones

if it doesn't auto set

[pine valley]

The bone assignments are fine

But you need to reset the pose

[lime mural]

kk

ill do it again

[lime mural]

oh ok

[pine valley]

Scroll down to the bottom of this list and you'll see a "Pose" dropdown

click it, then hit Reset

[lime mural]

yea that fixed it

[pine valley]

this should fix the avatar

It thought your body was way smaller than it actually is

So all of the bones got mashed into a tiny ball

[pastel nest]

oh i see now.. hips is called spine

[pine valley]

This can happen if you don't match the original scaling mode when overwriting the FBX

[lime mural]

hes alive again :3

ty ty

[unique cloud]

Heya - import question, is there any way to properly import shapekey normals? I've learned that blender can't export them, and using calculate gives me undesirable results where small enough triangles seem to behave weirdly, almost as if flipping their normals when using calculate/legacy blendshape normals. Are there any workarounds for it? Since some shapekeys really would benefit from proper normals

[frail temple]

@lime mural woops sorry

[unique cloud]

https://gyazo.com/def2b96bf2b0663be6f11522662d876c example of the issue I'm seeing with calculate/legacy, I verified that the normals are all correct, ran a reset/recalculate outside in blender

[somber sequoia]

lately I've been exporting with "Smoothing" under "Geometry" set to "Face", then importing normals rather than legacy or calculate - not sure if this solves your issue but it may work for you.

[unique cloud]

it helps a bit, but it doesn't fix it entirely, which it might be the best I can achieve

[somber sequoia]

yeah, I thought someone mentioned something new related to this in Blender 4.4 but I can't remember what and haven't looked, so that's not helpful

[unique cloud]

I saw there was some discussion on actual blendshape normal generation for blender, but the last post was 4 months ago or so. But if a new release fixes it that would be neat, I'll do some research

[somber sequoia]

report back! I'd love to know also

[unique cloud]

after some more github discussion reads, looks like it's an open issue at the moment, I'll probably try and follow the discussion and grab whatever version fixes it. I can get it to work in an okay manner, but especially around the chest deformation proper normals would look so good. at least using face smoothing improves it, thanks for the tip!

yeah the issues are still somewhat present, but it's improved slightly, I'll just patch the av once the issue is fixed on blenders end

[somber sequoia]

sounds good

[unique cloud]

which if I could get "calculate" to not break randomly like in the pic above, that'd be probably perfect

yeah looks like "legacy blendshape normals" is the culprit, calculate works fine without legacy, but of course vrchat won't let me upload that

Oooh new development - exporting it with triangulate and tangent space fixed the glitches

[somber sequoia]

ooh

[unique cloud]

Ok that removed the shapekeys though

huh xD

yeah, disabling triangulate restores them again. that's odd

[pine valley]

So, yes!

But it's a bit of a mess

https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/pulls/126491

I applied this patch to my FBX exporter script

This allows Blender to actually export the normals

However, this wasn't sufficient

Unity, hilariously, ignores the normals if the displacement isn't large enough

This causes gross seams at the edges of deformed areas

The solution was to modify Blender again, so that it exports 10x larger displacements

And to then divide the displacements by 10 with an AssetPostprocessor in Unity

This gives me perfect blendshape normals in Unity

it was a very invasive series of hacks

[unique cloud]

Oh goodness yeah, I hope we get a proper fix for that some time. That's pretty wild tbh, but good on you for figuring that out, I've seen that pull request as well

[pine valley]

I dare not use this for anything other than personal avatars

The Unity side isn't too bad -- the postprocessor is very simple -- but modifying Blender was annoying

[unique cloud]

My current objective is to find a way to fix legacy blendshapes while retaining shapekeys, trying to make it not break on small triangles

[pine valley]

This is weirdly bad, though

Does this happen when you turn on blendshapes that don't even affect that part of the body?

[unique cloud]

this is the basis shape even

[pine valley]

are shapekeys even the problem here? this could just be bad mesh data

[unique cloud]

once a shapekey scales the polygon up enough, the issue goes away

it seems to be select, small triangles/quads

https://gyazo.com/9f3c12b132598ad84b7ddd3a77fcf260 reference of the area, though it happens on much smoother areas too, just cant show those here

I might pull the fbx into blender and see if anything is broken on import. if I triangulate the mesh in the exporter it fixes the issue, but it also kills shapekeys

meanwhile triangulating the mesh in blender does not fix the issue

I.. might've found a really, really dumb fix.

so.. since it has issues with small tris/quads/whatever, I just.. scaled the model in blender to 10x size, applied scale. and then imported at 0.1 scale in unity. it now works.

yep, it all works now. funny workaround, but easy to implement!

[pine valley]

Huh, this might be the exact same issue I ran into here

just solved in a less invasive way lol

[somber sequoia]

wow that's... quite a thing

[unique cloud]

right? XD I just went like "ok if it struggles with small polygons, ima make em all big" and it just.. worked lol

[glossy marten]

Does anyone here customize model bases?

[agile reef]

send help. . . Imported an fbx into blender and it died

[somber sequoia]

oh neat

where'd you get the file?

[agile reef]

armature looks like this as well

[agile reef]

I tried extracting an fbx from the prefab of the avatar and used what I got from that

I used the unity tool FBX Extractor

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's why

[agile reef]

the project doesn't have an fbx it's just a prefab- so how should I go about obtaining it then?

[somber sequoia]

I don't know, can't say I've ever tried hard

[pine valley]

A prefab is an asset containing a game object.

There is almost certainly a model file in the project somewhere

you just aren't using its model prefab directly

[agile reef]

thats what I was thinking. but like- I've looked in every folder there really is no fbx x. x

[pine valley]

search the project window for t:model

[agile reef]

I did that earlier

[pine valley]

Your avatar will have one or more SkinnedMeshRenderer components

Each one will reference a mesh

Click on one's mesh and see what gets highlighted

I suppose it's possible the avatar uses some weird process that moved the mesh assets somewhere else

[agile reef]

from what it looks like. . . the model looks like it was made- IN UNITY some how. the head and body are actually in here. . .

[pine valley]

yeah, the Mesh assets got pulled out of the original model assets

that's going to be nightmarish to edit

[agile reef]

yeah. . . I thought so too

I would have to put it together into an fbx and just go ham right? or is there an "easier way" to do that?

[pine valley]

Getting the meshes back out of Unity is the annoying part (as you've observed here)

Normally, you have Unity import an FBX to create its Mesh assets

many applications know how to read and write FBX

but here, Unity only has its internal Mesh assets -- it isn't creating them from an FBX

[agile reef]

So- This avatar is an edit of another and I was asked to help out with it. The original ( base model ) is perfectly normal. So what could they have done. . . that did this? lmao

[balmy barn]

where is this avatar files even from

cause it screams ripped

no fbx or blend

[agile reef]

it is not ripped, the original model is Carter by weebly and the individual purchased it, I've seen reciepts and have permission to edit the file for this person

it's a poor self edit of the model that I was sent. not the original avatar

or- something happened within the process ( that sounded kind of rude when I said poor self edit, I apologize lol

[night ember]

Mmmmm

That looks like a rip

[light charm]

agreed

[burnt plank]

does anyone know how do i add my pcss lighting into my avatar

[agile reef]

weird... I'll bring it up to them :l thank you for letting me know.

[signal shore]

when trying to upload a mayu avatar it gave me like 100 errors saying that im trying to save something without a script

[ornate stump]

That means you haven't import some packages.

[somber sequoia]

you're missing some kind of dependency the avatar requires

check the creator's docs for clues

wouldn't surprise me it's VRC Fury

or modular, not sure if that uses one of those

[signal shore]

i dont use vrc fury because of these reasons

[somber sequoia]

not sure I follow that logic, but something's definitely missing either way

[ornate stump]

What reason exactly? The asset required the use of vrcfury.

[signal shore]

im gonna try to upload the same avatar but without touching anything because i made some textures for this avatar

[signal shore]

im just saying when i use vrc fury a bunch of things break after a while

[balmy barn]

its one sdk away to have a chance to break

[ornate stump]

Your case is you didn't have vrcfury installed and the asset didn't like that.

[signal shore]

im gonna install vrc fury and try again

[ornate stump]

I still don't confirm that it's vrcfury though, it could be modular avatar. So, check the store page for requirements.

[mental estuary]

Uninstalling VRCFury won't help VRCFury not break things in the future. You should report the issue so things can get fixed

[signal shore]

but just saying when i tried to upload the quest version because i have done this before exactly the same since its really simple since its the mayu avatar

[signal shore]

no i didnt install vrc fury in the first place on this project

[mental estuary]

That's not what I was saying

[signal shore]

oh

[ornate stump]

Even if it doesn't error, your avatar won't work entirely.

[signal shore]

i didnt know vrc fury was esential now

[bleak ruin]

Is there a way to reorder objects without unpacking the prefab?

[somber sequoia]

no

[ornate stump]

Only for some.

[bleak ruin]

damn. thanks. it bugs the hell outta me when prefab makers don't put armature as the first child object 🙃

[somber sequoia]

Haha yeah, though if it's not a .fbx you can usually unpack and repack just fine

[ornate stump]

This should not cause any issue though.

[bleak ruin]

it doesn't cause any issue. it just bugs me

not enough to unpack/repack

just if I could without unpacking I would reorder

[ornate stump]

I guess some custom asset preprocessor might work.

[balmy barn]

drag object out of avatar, put it somewhere else

(only work if it was added in unity)

[signal shore]

oh yeah now its having more progress, but the face trackibg prefab brakes something so i removed it and now i think its uploading, but thats a little strange since i didnt need to use vrcfury when i uploaded the exact same avatar a couple months back

[ornate stump]

Can't say for sure. You might had vrcfury in your project without realizing it.

[somber sequoia]

the only reason I have Fury at all is to not deal with manually installing face tracking prefabs 🙂

[ornate stump]

I only use fury for last step optimization, the rest I'd do with modular avatar. Hybrid workflow that is.

[mental estuary]

Why use MA if you're already using VRCFury?

[ornate stump]

I primarily work with booth model. And I like reactive object.

[mental estuary]

Isn't reactive object just the same as a VRCFury toggle?

[ornate stump]

Does it set object active state base on other object active state?.

[mental estuary]

You can nest objects in the hierachy, yes

If you want to set some other parameter there's Set An FX Float, which can set floats ints and bools

[ornate stump]

Then MA can set active state to any object regardless being nested.

[mental estuary]

It doesn't have to be nested

That's just an option

[old holly]

This bit of hair looks fine in the editor and in Blender, and I have no physics set up on any of the hair bones, but ingame it's permanently stuck in my eye. How do I make it work like it should?
Even setting it to some arbitrary angle (like upside down!) doesn't work.
Found it. Unity decided it was a jaw bone for some reason.

[signal shore]

wait how do i lock hair to my head

i forgor

[somber sequoia]

where, in unity or blender?

[signal shore]

in unity

its a seprate asset

[somber sequoia]

is it rigged?

VRCFury Armature Link, if you already have Fury 🙂

[worldly marlin]

is there a quest compatible way to make a billboard shader on an object?

[signal shore]

oh thats what it was armature

ty

[night ember]

billboard?

[somber sequoia]

kinda curious what you're doing that isn't particles

[worldly marlin]

a toy thats just a billboard with a texture on it bc i think itd fit the aesthetic more

[somber sequoia]

ah a toy

[worldly marlin]

ya

[worldly marlin]

on one of them i might have it spew a few particles bc its a rocket on trigger

or whatever is quest compatible

[wide lynx]

I ported over my model into blender to add piercings to it, then I ported it back to unity. Everything works fine except for some reason I can see my piercings through my viewpoint

[somber sequoia]

How did you attach them, and to what?

[wide lynx]

I got the FBXs and weight painted them onto the head in blender, did the viseme animations and all

[somber sequoia]

if they're weight painted to the head I'm surprised you can see them

[wide lynx]

when I move the head around I see the piercings move with my head as well

it's as if there's two of them

I went back and checked and yeah they are weight painted to the head

[somber sequoia]

do some posing in Blender, to make sure they work right and you don't have any extra objects

[daring mountain]

Anyone else having this issue with the new SDK? I swapped yesterday and I can not get rid of this even tho everything is mapped n rigged

[somber sequoia]

go into the rig setup and show us what's mapped where

[night ember]

drag in a new copy of the fbx thats rigged

[somber sequoia]

or that 🙂

[daring mountain]

I literally just re-setup the avatar after deleting the fbx .meta file and re-mapped it again

and it gave me this message again

[night ember]

then have it be rigged and drag in a new copy into the scene

also is there any errors on the fbx

[wide lynx]

I am a moron lmao, I did not join the other two parts

thanks

[somber sequoia]

Yep, that'll do it

[ripe bloom]

any idea?

[compact dust]

i assume i have to add quest tools back even tho it causes more errors in the project than not

[round comet]

Is there a preexisting vrcquestools folder already in there?

Or a KRT folder

[compact dust]

nvm i gots it

[misty lagoon]

my dual-compatibility avatar looks great on PC in her PC version, but the android/quest version is just perma-stuck in T-pose, anybody know what to look for to address this??? I can self-test ony my own by going on the android version of vrchat, and friends who are quest only have confirmed it.

[untold minnow]

Why is my avatar kinda transparent? Im assuming this is a blender issue

[night ember]

either its actually transparent which is a material issue which is fixed in unity anyways since you usually dont use the default material

or the faces are backwards which can be fixed in unity via a shader or fixed properly in blender by recalculating the outside

[sturdy plaza]

Ok I’m new here I don’t know if this is the right place but I need help from someone to put gogo loco onto one of my avatars

[night ember]

thatd just be taking the go loco controllers and sticking them onto the respective playable layer on the avatar descriptor stuck on the avatar's root

[crystal sierra]

Just wanted to follow up on this from earlier and say that this method worked out for me! I was actually able to parent the bones of the separately imported tail to the original armature, and then just throw the tail mesh in the same place in the hierarchy as all the others.

[frigid void]

im literally going insane i feel like ive tried everything, i even made a new fbx and exported that and they eyes just wont move in play mode, does anyone have ANY idea what could be the issue??

[lavish obsidian]

what did i do wrong idk.. can anyone help me bout this please..?

[frigid void]

looks like a weigh painting issue

[sturdy plaza]

Sorry I did not understand a word of that but I don’t have a pc myself so I can’t actually do it myself

[frigid void]

are the armatures merged?

[lavish obsidian]

yea but unfortunately idk why but the one of them is not merged

[night ember]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
howd you expect to put go loco on a model if you dont have a pc to upload it

[frigid void]

sometimes if the bones have different names than the base armature, it wont merge properly

[sturdy plaza]

Idk that’s why I’m here I thought I could give it to someone or smth but I don’t know I’m new to this

[night ember]

giving out files is against the creator's tos

[lavish obsidian]

it has the same name thats the funny story

[sturdy plaza]

Oh ok

[night ember]

what model did you even buy

[frigid void]

can you send a picture of the full avatar its kind of hard with just the coat

[sturdy plaza]

I didn’t buy it I found it on prismics avatar world

[austere bay]

anyone know a way to make each individual braid just a little thicker? like increase the circumfrance? I'd rather not just scale if I can avoid it so just wondering if there's a little trick I'm missing out on :3

[night ember]

so you dont even own the avatar

[sturdy plaza]

I guess

[night ember]

its not your avatar to begin with

you need to actually own the avatar in order to edit it

[lavish obsidian]

uh i makin it a little alone but wait a sec

[austere bay]

the basics of how avatars works is you have a file (the avatar) and you have to put it into an application on your pc called unity, this then connects the avatar to vrchat. Once in unity that's where you can actually edit the avatar and add things you want to use in vrchat, like gogo loco. But like I said; you need the avatar file, even if you're asking someone else to upload, they'll need the file. You cannot (or at least shouldn't) just get the avatar file from in game, you should really go and buy it or find a free one.

[crystal sierra]

If you're in blender there's a mesh option called "shrink/fatten" that might do what you're after, the shortcut is Alt+S

[austere bay]

thank you so much

[crystal sierra]

It just takes all the vertices and slides them along their normals

[crystal sierra]

ofc!

[frigid void]

when you use the pose mode does the coat move with the avi?

[lavish obsidian]

no.. atleast the arms but maybe its because of my play mode kinda different?

i don't know but i wanna test it in game too if its gonna work in game its all fine

[austere bay]

if the coat doesn't move in blender with pose mode it wont work in game

[frigid void]

are you doing this in blender or unity?

[lavish obsidian]

i did it in blender and its workin on pose mode properly

[frigid void]

ok so i need to know if it works when you use pose mode on the avi, not the coat

[frigid void]

the arms of the coat need to move with the avatars armature

[lavish obsidian]

its not.. :c

[lavish obsidian]

how am i gonna fix it

[frigid void]

the armatures need to be merged so its just one armature on the model.

[lavish obsidian]

okay i did its movin now

[frigid void]

does anyone here use Av3emulator? i need help with it

[night ember]

state your issue instead of asking to ask

[austere bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV2Dr5F445w&t=719s&ab_channel=PxINKY

How To Fit Clothing For VRChat/Unity In Blender ^

[lavish obsidian]

i did watched that before but tysm :3!

[frigid void]

i need to disable eye target, this seems to be the reason the eyes will only look one direction

i dont know how though

[night ember]

eye target is where the eys are looking

just move the sliders

[livid basin]

erm physbones won't work on quest 💔 I only have 6 of them

[somber sequoia]

6 should unless it's a crazy amount of transforms

[frigid void]

they always go back to those nunbers tho, ive already changed it to 0 multiple times

[somber sequoia]

what are you actually trying to do though?

[frigid void]

and Im trying to get eyelook to work, i dont want eye target

[livid basin]

Wdym transforms 💔 I haven't used creator companion in a while

[night ember]

eye look is eye target

[somber sequoia]

usually the SDK's build report tells you about physbone components and physbone transforms. Components are the physbone thingy you add to a bone chain, and transforms are the number of bones in the physbone chains times the number of physbone components. So the latter adds up a lot and can be a limiting factor.

[frigid void]

this is eye look

[somber sequoia]

(creator companion is just a nice tool to install unity and manage projects, it's not a factor here)

[somber sequoia]

right but again, what is your ultimate goal here?

[frigid void]

they eyes dont move in playmode, and they only move when i adjust eye target. I want to disable eye target

[somber sequoia]

okay but I'm not sure I understand why

[frigid void]

because the eye target is preventing them from looking around

i want the eyes to move in game

but eye target only looks to one point

[somber sequoia]

the "eye target" is just a testing tool

[frigid void]

so you think it will work fine in game?

[somber sequoia]

have you not tried yet?

[frigid void]

i was finishing up toggles

[somber sequoia]

usually if you have what's setup in the left video there ^ it's fine in-game

[frigid void]

Ok, ill upload it as soon as Im done figuring out the toggles

[night ember]

eye target is literally the testing tool for in game's eye look

[spring ember]

i cant select any lipsync option?

oh that doesnt show in recording

but when i select one it doesnt select

[ancient ridge]

it's my first time making an avi, how do i fix the random white stuff on it and fix the eyes? (for ref i put what it looks like in blender)

[somber sequoia]

does your model actually have visemes though?

[spring ember]

im using jaw flapbone

[somber sequoia]

probably there's a transparent layer over the eyes, either apply a transparent shader, or go delete that layer in blender

pretty common really.

[spring ember]

all the models i got have a jaw bone, ive been able to use jaw flapbone

[night ember]

why is the model unpacked

[spring ember]

but not for this one for some reason

[spring ember]

tried to troubleshoot it myself

[somber sequoia]

I kinda stopped asking 🙂

[spring ember]

it was packed before

[night ember]

try restarting unity

or refreshing the vrcsdk

[spring ember]

i tried switching scenes

ill try to restart

yeah its just not selecting

[night ember]

your ui looks fucked since your mouse is too far up

for it to highlight I mean

[spring ember]

no no thats me selecting from the new window that pops up giving the options of lipsyncs

it only recorded the unity window

[night ember]

hm

what happens when you click auto

[spring ember]

nothing

let me try to put the model in again w a new descriptor

..works now

[night ember]

I do also ask

[spring ember]

🫠

[night ember]

is this like an sfm model or something

[spring ember]

no its from dead by daylight

[night ember]

so a game rip cause that model is set up weirdly hierarchy-wise

those usually dont transfer too well since those are usually set up purely to work in the game it was extracted from

[spring ember]

yeah lmao the bodyparts are seperate PSK files so i fuse the bones in blender and it works fine

[somber sequoia]

what's a PSK file?

[spring ember]

im not sure thats just what its called

its another type of object file

thats rigged

[somber sequoia]

huh

[spring ember]

hold on

[night ember]

unreal engine

[somber sequoia]

ahh

[night ember]

essentially the unreal engine equivalent of vpk

[spring ember]

yeah that

but yeah its hiearchy is like that bc the body parts are seperate

[night ember]

why didnt you join meshes

[spring ember]

didnt think of that but i havent run into problems in functionality or performance

[faint ridge]

Hey I need help with blender

[somber sequoia]

okay

[night ember]

dont ask to ask

[frigid void]

im having a new issue, i reuploded the fbx cuz I had to fix some clipping but now the jewelry isnt an object anymore? i didnt change anything about in blender

[somber sequoia]

isn't an object? was it before? what is it now?

[frigid void]

idk it just wont let me put a material on it, also it disappears when i move the view close to it

[somber sequoia]

the latter is probably due to bounding box, which implies it's a separate object

is it listed in the hierarchy?

[frigid void]

Yes it is, nothing looks different to me

[compact dust]

so uh if i have a project made using ze unity version right before the current one, and cant get it to update, just delete sdk and re-install?>

[somber sequoia]

well you can select it in the hierarchy, then in the inspector, view the material slot and drag materials into that.
re: the disappearing, I think the usual trick is to make the bounding box for it the size of the body's

[somber sequoia]

anytime you upgrade unity, if it doesn't work I'd close Unity, then delete the Library directory from the project, and try again.

[compact dust]

oopsies, meant vrc sdk version

sdk version before the recent update

[somber sequoia]

oh, that should upgrade fine, what isn't working?

[compact dust]

it's stuck in the previous version of the sdk

[somber sequoia]

how are you doing the upgrading?

[compact dust]

i was thinking that it'd update by importing it manually but no work

[ancient ridge]

So i've been at this for a while and, I can't seem to find a way to fix this bc all the tutorials i watched did not work so if anyone can help me get this avi working, let me know.

[plain wagon]

does somebody know how i can fix my "meme avatar" who's literally a 2D png?

[night ember]

thats just a warning

[proper storm]

^

if you check box and it says you need to fix before upload, you cant and have to fix it, if not, you can push it

[compact dust]

we cant really see what the problem is

[ancient ridge]

the eyes are white and they are supposed to be purple like this

it is my first time doing this/using unity so idk

[proper storm]

is there a mixed material on it?

[compact dust]

is it the right texture

[proper storm]

if your material order is not right, it will show fucked up

[ancient ridge]

this is what i see for material and idk what that is

but

idk

[proper storm]

its just a default locked shader

you didnt extract material from the FBX

if you view the fbx for the avatar you can choose extract mats and make a folder

and then edit/delete them

alternatively, you can just drag new materials onto it and it replaces them with its own

maybe delete it though when you extract them, or wherever its connect to. it looks like its the face texture

[somber sequoia]

fix what, the eyes being white?

oh hey, scrolling.

I did already answer, I guess you didn't look into that?

[proper storm]

I think he has a new material ontop the default one that came from blender

(for the face texture)

[somber sequoia]

that's not (likely) the issue

-> #avatar-help message

[proper storm]

i would just delete the layer

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's what I do, you can get gloss (mostly) like that in decent shaders without the extra mesh

[compact dust]

if i have a PC version and a Quest version of an avi

i can just use the same blueprint ID (upload to pc first)
then switch to the quest version and upload that to the same ID and it shouldnt override it, correct?

[somber sequoia]

that's the correct way to link them

[plain wagon]

I hate questies.

I can't fucking use any shaders to make my plane cutout

(cuz this avi is just a drawing on a plane)

[night ember]

thats not exactly a quest user's fault

[compact dust]

all their fault for using quest 😔 /j

[ripe pond]

how do I fix this?

nvm

[left gull]

just cut out the model with knife tool in blender so its quest compat, should be really easy if its just a single plane

[worldly marlin]

o easy

can u do billboard/lollipop

[somber sequoia]

iirc only on particles

[somber meadow]

you could just convert the image to a mesh

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know how exactly the albedo, detail albedo, and AO maps colors are mixed with the material color for standard lite?

my avatar has a different UV map for the AO and albedo, but standard lite doesn't allow for that, so my options are to either put the albedo in the detail albedo or put the AO in the detail albedo. Both of these produce slightly different results, but I like the result of albedo in detail albedo better. The issue with this is that now the detail albedo is using the secondary UV channel, which cannot be access by other quest shaders, and I would like to use material swaps for a matcap lit.

My solution was to see if I could alter the albedo and/or AO texture to replicate the look from the other setup, but the description of how they are added says "multiplied x2" which is obviously false since the colors get brighter while multiplication produces darker colors.

the left is how it currently looks and the right is how I want it to look

it also makes removing the AO look much better, since the person this is for wanted an option to remove AO. the left one just looks dull imo

[ornate stump]

Since detail get multiplied by 2 and that can make value go above 1.0 which make subsequent multiply brighter color.

[cedar bear]

Hey, probably an easy question but how do i upload multiple characters on one project? i keep seeing forums from like 7 years ago but nothing recent and their method of detaching the id hasnt worked

[ornate stump]

AO multiply with ambient light before multiply onto surface color.

[ornate stump]

You could already have multple avatar within the same unity project since the beginning.

[cedar bear]

yes but im struggling to upload them as separate characters instead of overwriting the first version

[ornate stump]

Detaching ID should just work as upload as a new avatar.

[cedar bear]

it tells me to save changes whenever i make any changes. when i click the save changes button, it overwrites the first avatar

there is no id attached

am i dumb? 😭 like it seems like such a simple thing

[ornate stump]

You might have to be aware what avatar is selected in the sdk build panel.

[cedar bear]

the names match on the hierarchy and the sdk so- i guess its the correct one?

[night ember]

refresh the sdk window

[cedar bear]

how do i refresh it?

[night ember]

normally when you load the build window of the sdk it looks at the pipeline manager to try and load the details of the avtr id

[night ember]

switch windows

[cedar bear]

nope, still telling me to save the changes

[ornate stump]

You might need to discard the change first.

[night ember]

have you tried just clicking one of the buttons

[cedar bear]

yes, both in fact. Save changes overwrites the original version and discard just reverts back to the original one before the changes

ill try again tho hold on

[ornate stump]

Once you detach blueprint ID, the sdk should not show existing avatar information.

[cedar bear]

it is detached

[arctic ginkgo]

hm okay so there isn't really a solution to this... i wish you could just choose UV channels per-map 😔

because if i use matcap shader he looks like this 😭

[ornate stump]

Have you try these steps in order:

1. Discard change
2. Close the sdk
3. Detach blueprint id
4. Open the sdk.

[cedar bear]

lemme try

well the blueprint ID is already detached so- ill copy the original character's and detach it again in order

i reloaded the SDK and it worked 👍 with the detached ID

thanks yall

[ornate stump]

The sdk might got confused because it had unsaved changes before detaching the ID.

[cedar bear]

probably

computers man... always having to wipe the fuck out of their memory to solve stuff

[tacit yoke]

anyone know how to change the blend mode to opaque while using blender 4.4??

[raw oak]

Tried adding a blendshape for a toggle, blendshape works but all the body meshes are fucked

Not sure how to fix it

[night ember]

howd you export it

[raw oak]

Through blender to the avatar fbx

[night ember]

why didnt you just use the fbx that came with it originally

[raw oak]

That was the fbx

[night ember]

so you imported the original fbx that was in your asset folder into blender

[raw oak]

Yes

[night ember]

was your avatar unpacked

[raw oak]

Yep

[night ember]

dont do that

thatll break your avatar

[uncut lotus]

So Im working on my next Avitar, and was just curious

Does the more blendshapes an avi have lead to it lagging?

[night ember]

not necessarily

although the file size would end up being larger

although although you can cause lag with blendshapes but youd have to be intentionally trying to cause lag

not something that can happen by accident

[uncut lotus]

Alright. Thanks

[arctic ginkgo]

it shouldn't affect frametime, but depending on how many you have and how many vertices are affected it can be a significant contributor to file size

I would just say avoid having excessive blendshapes on high-poly models, especially ones that affect a majority of vertices (like altering body shape)

[uncut lotus]

Alright thanks

[night ember]

(for the sake of file size)

[raw oak]

No it wasnt

[night ember]

what do you mean it wasnt in the asset folder

[raw oak]

Hold on

[raw oak]

Its the same fbx but from a different folder

Not the one in the assets

[night ember]

assets is the root folder of the project

if its in a folder in assets then its in the assets folder

[raw oak]

I understand

But the fbx im getting is from my downloads

[night ember]

I mostly ask cause people try to export as fbx using the fbx exporter in unity

which is not great

which I then ask why you didnt just use the original fbx for the model

[raw oak]

I didnt know i was supposed to

So is my project fucked

Or can i still save it

[night ember]

no no no

the model you got came with an fbx file correct and not just a prefab file right?

[raw oak]

Pretty sure a prefab file

[night ember]

then where is the fbx for it

[raw oak]

In the corresponding file for the prefab

[night ember]

so it came with one

[raw oak]

Yeah

[night ember]

and you said you unpacked the one in scene

[raw oak]

Im confused, its 1am and im trying to hold it together

[night ember]

also I should ask where you got the model
can you send a link to it

[raw oak]

https://thelairshop.gumroad.com/l/s2miles
this is the base model

The deluxe version

[raw oak]

I dont care about the blendshapes anymore

I just want to fix what i had done

[night ember]

ok so did you make any other edits or just the blendshape

[raw oak]

Just blendshape to fix clipping

[night ember]

ah

so then you could just try reimporting the original

[raw oak]

Drag and drop the mesh?

[night ember]

fbx

overwrite the one there that you accidentally broke

[raw oak]

Where

[modern totem]

reminder that you should always keep a fresh zip file of your avatars so you can revert back to a fresh point if you need it
have it and dont need it rather than dont have it and need it

[night ember]

From the unity package

[raw oak]

Start fresh?

[night ember]

Since you havent made any other edits sure

[raw oak]

Redo all of this?

[night ember]

you said you didnt make any edits

[raw oak]

Im so confused

The body mesh is the only thing thats fucked up

[night ember]

Because the model is unpacked

Replace it with the original unedited fbx from the unity package

[raw oak]

Replace the mesh?

What am i supposed to do

[night ember]

Fbx

Like Ive said multiple times

[raw oak]

I have the fbx

Where do i go from here

[night ember]

overwrite the fbx you edited with the original one from the unity package

[raw oak]

It does the exact same thing

It doesnt have the blendshape

[night ember]

Did you replace the file or try to overwrite it with blender

[raw oak]

It fixed but stuff is still broken

[errant ether]

Could I pay someone to merge 2 FBXs

[night ember]

Not here also why cant you do it

Secondly go to vrctraders for commissions

[raw oak]

It says preproccess hooks failed

[night ember]

What now

[errant ether]

Trying to body swap a mint

[night ember]

Screenshot the console

[night ember]

Bodyswap what now

[errant ether]

One sec

[night ember]

Set the chest bone in the rig

[raw oak]

And how do i do that

[ornate stump]

https://youtu.be/rRAnDMUbWt8?t=80

[errant ether]

sleeves wont go down with the shirt

[raw oak]

Alright everything is back to normal

@night ember thanks

[night ember]

You need to either link armatures or in blender reparent the sweater to that base's armature

[dense sinew]

Go vrc traders for commission
#1204490664637890580

[errant ether]

I’m soooo new to blender Ik somewhat to do 😭😭

I spent 5 hours 2 days ago learning it

[dense sinew]

And you don't know it still?

[errant ether]

Nope

[night ember]

Just import the base model
Then import the sweater model
Then select the sweater first then the armature of the base model without unselecting the sweater
Then ctrl + p with empty weights
Delete sweater armature
Export

Well assuming they share the same bone names

[errant ether]

I’m new to unity and blender. Just started learning know to make avis couple weeks ago

It’s 2 different bone rigs

[night ember]

But do they share the same bone names

[errant ether]

Honestly not sure

[dense sinew]

Ohh I can see that

[rocky grail]

how to fix this when going into play mode

[ornate stump]

Link armature.

[south ruin]

What types of C# scripts does VRChat allow? Some of the scripts in my avatar are accepted by VRChat, while others are not. I was wondering which functionalities are permitted.

Thank youu

[ornate stump]

None at all.

Exception is some 3rd party script, which current only is FinalIK.

[south ruin]

oooh, I'll look more into this, thank you so much

[ornate stump]

What actually do you need? Most, if not all avatar logic is made by animator states.

[south ruin]

I was looking to make a little drone that follows me around along with its own animation

[ornate stump]

Drone is quiet complicate to deal with. But absolutely isn't made of FinalIK.

[ornate stump]

As you called it a drone, is it controllable?

Or just following only.

[south ruin]

not really, it'll just follow me around wherever I walk. It's just a little drone shaped like a quaffle hahaha

small like one too

[ornate stump]

Then that isn't a drone. Rather is a follower. You could search for vrchat amongus follower and see how it made.

[south ruin]

ohhh okay okay thank you!!

[rocky grail]

like this?

[ornate stump]

You have to change shader in materials.

[spark walrus]

how do i do that?

[ornate stump]

Select material file, and change shader in Shader dropdown.

[spark walrus]

this is what i get

it wont let me

[night ember]

The ones on the avatar

[ornate stump]

If that isn't used the avatar then you don't have to change it.

[night ember]

Also typically when you show screenshots of your issue you wouldnt send one with nsfw content visible in the images
The parts on the breast despite being covered by tape is still peaking out from it

[ornate stump]

If some is used by the avatar, you have to create new material and replace in the avatar.

[barren wharf]

how would i transfer the clothes from a clothed version of an avatar to a face tracking unclothed version

i want the left's maid dress on the right

[night ember]

Typically blender

[barren wharf]

is it easy

[night ember]

Or if the maid dress is a separate fbx entirely armature link

[spark walrus]

i found the material that i missed im trying to make it look like eyebrows instead of blocks

[ornate stump]

It would be easier to replace only the head.

[barren wharf]

oh ok

[spark walrus]

you have any recommendations?

[barren wharf]

replace the head on the clothed version?

[night ember]

Make it so it doesnt use transparency by cutting the mesh in blender

[barren wharf]

like

[night ember]

Yes

[barren wharf]

put the face tracking head on the clothed?

[ornate stump]

It relies on transparency, and Quest shader doesn't support transparency, so that is out of question.