avatar-help

[grizzled crow]

found this https://vrc.school/docs/Other/AAPs/ and read over it, but im still... confused...
I need a new animator? I tried the animator on the prop (with it parented to the avatar), but it gets auto disabled in favor of the avatar's animator

[arctic ginkgo]

just select them in the hierarchy area and it should show up with the slot, if not, you can always use thry's avatar tools to do it automatically

vrcfury may have a way to do this but i'm not sure since i don't use vrcfury

[abstract crag]

just gonna do that

cause I did notice lighting desync

when pc testing

[arctic ginkgo]

i looked it up and apparently there's a component called "anchor override fix" from vrcfury that does do this, but idk how it works

[arctic ginkgo]

you don't need a new animator for AAPs, what are you trying to achieve?

[grizzled crow]

I have a prop that will have different animated states, and I am trying to make it smoothly animate between animations

[abstract crag]

oh dear

how do I do it with thry

[arctic ginkgo]

thry just gives you a popup when you go to upload and you just click the "yes" button and it does it automatically

[arctic ginkgo]

that's just basic animation controller logic, why do you need AAPs for that?

[abstract crag]

I dont see it

[arctic ginkgo]

oh weird, it's always done it for me

[hollow moon]

I have another question, so since I already have a base downloaded, do I get rid of the block that a general project starts off with?

[grizzled crow]

i was confused by a previous person who answered...
Like.. I can do the basic logic, smoothly changing animations with a radial menu?

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah, just press A, then X, then Enter. That will delete everything in there by default

(cube, camera, light)

you don't need any of it

[hollow moon]

Ok, thanks.

[arctic ginkgo]

you just want different animations to be blended between based on a float?

you can do that with a blendtree

no need for AAPs

AAPs are used for math, float smoothing, frame detection, and timers

you can always find other used for them but those are the main ones

[grizzled crow]

blendtree?

[arctic ginkgo]

yes that's precisely what they exist for

blendtrees are an arrangement of multiple animations assigned to different "threshold" values for given parameters. Based on the values of the parameter(s) it will blend smoothly between the animations

the most common use for this is locomotion animations (walking, running, etc)

[grizzled crow]

like this? (an example from a world I am making)

[arctic ginkgo]

no

[grizzled crow]

ah... I was not sure..

[arctic ginkgo]

right click and add blendtree

[abstract crag]

@arctic ginkgo It says its using an unsupported shader standard somewhere

issue is

I checked everything

[grizzled crow]

ah that makes more sense

[arctic ginkgo]

do you have particles or trails?

it may be from one of those

[abstract crag]

no

[arctic ginkgo]

i swore i saw some in your validations

give me a sec to check

okay it says you have 19 particle systems and trails enabled on them, but idk if you removed them since then

[arctic ginkgo]

okay so no particle system

try typing t:meshrenderer into your search bar in the hierarchy and see if any of those are using standard

also try t:skinnedmeshrenderer

[abstract crag]

no results

[arctic ginkgo]

it should show results for your meshes..

are you searching here?

and make sure you typed it exactly, you can copy and paste

[abstract crag]

I found four results

PB_front
PB_front2
PB_up
PB_up2

zero clue what that does

[arctic ginkgo]

those are meshes, idk what they are on your model but what's important is that they have materials

[abstract crag]

looks like Phys Bone scripts

[arctic ginkgo]

click on them and scroll to the bottom of the inspector and see if any of them are using the "standard" shader

[abstract crag]

issue is their materials option is blacked out I cant change the shader

[arctic ginkgo]

are they using standard shader?

[abstract crag]

yes

and I cant change it

sorry I had to afk for 15

they all four are blend probes for a mask clothing toggle I have

[inner pier]

trying to figure out what on earth is wrong with my models legs that keep causing them to warp like this in unity
ive messed with the weight painting for the past hour or so now with 0 changes, the armature itself is perfectly fine (afaia considering unity has 0 issues with it/greenlit everything) its def something ive messed up between blender and importing to unity but i cant figure it out for the life of me

its very low poly too so im not sure if thatd contribute to the issue at all

[junior void]

Are your bone names right? Aka left leg is named right leg perhaps?

[inner pier]

had a mini heartattack but they're named correctly (thank god) 😭

[warm ferry]

Hello Im having an issue where my avatar appears halk way in the ground for everyone but me

half way *

[junior void]

Check the unity rig slots, maybe the legs were mapped wrong

[inner pier]

everythings in the right place (if this is what you meant by rig slots?)

[junior void]

What about blender, do you have any unapplied modifiers on when exporting other than armature?

[inner pier]

nope, just the armature..

[junior void]

Have you mirrored weights and possibly the weight groups ended up on both sides, ie you mirrored left leg to right leg and it so happened that the vertex group is now on both legs rather than just mirrored

[wind skiff]

you can also just type renderer

the t: is not needed

if you find nothing when searching for renderers, try particlesystem

[inner pier]

the weights are mirrored but still in their respective vertex groups if that makes any sense, left to left and right to right

i am so sorry for being a pain about this and trying to describe things 😭

[ruby skiff]

All my fellas. So I just finished up a re-texture in Substance for my Chibigen avatar and I applied the Emission for the tips of the hair, but for some reason it doesn't look at all how it looks in comparison to Substance. I used the smudge tool in Substance to make the tips a little messy and it came out like that in unity and I have no clue why.

[vagrant hare]

yo guy how do i animate my roblox character his no bone and upload to vrchat avatar?

[proper moss]

i have this lil flame animation on a sphere here using poiyomi but it left this white outline thing. Is there a way to make the white part transparent?

[timber wharf]

in first section try to play around with cutout threshold

[proper moss]

it makes other frames of the animation pixelated and cut off weirdly

[hollow hemlock]

Is it possible to make the black toggle automatically turn off when i change the clothes or turning off the City Noir which is the clothes

[balmy barn]

parameter driver , tell it to turn off when other is active (guessing this is a bool)

[cunning grove]

How do i connect the bones to the tail so the tail moves with the bones?

[quasi briar]

It needs to be weight painted

[cunning grove]

weight painting doesnt change anything

[timber wharf]

show some of it? is the tail is also part of main mesh ie has armature modifier with proper armature selected?

[vagrant hare]

do u guy have r6 animation? it for my roblox avatar his no bone to play the animation?

[alpine peak]

Is it possible to have multiple toggles active on one layer in unity and still work? If so, how do you do this?

[timber wharf]

@alpine peak overall it should be separate layer. one layer in term of optimisation can be done via DBT (vrcf does it automatically for its toggles), also ofc if number of toggles is not high, like for 3 of them you can create 9 animations for every possible state so if one is true and two and three are false, go to such animation etc, but sounds like pain

https://vrc.school/docs/Other/DBT-Combining/

[alpine peak]

Thank you

[sage moss]

uh hello there guys im looking for someone who knows how to upload vrm (vroid avatars )? I was wondering if someone can help me up load it since its my first made one dm me if your interested to help

[raven portal]

Is there a way to make physbones exclude certain childbones?

[somber sequoia]

there's an Ignore Transforms list in the component

[raven portal]

ty

my brain missed that somehow

[arctic ginkgo]

oh thank you!

i don't use the search feature a lot tbh so i'm still learning

[arctic ginkgo]

alright, sorry i ended up falling asleep, what you can do is find the FBX file they are from and make sure they use external materials

clicking on the mesh in the inspector should bring you to the file in your assets area

then select the FBX that it's a part of, go to the materials tab, and set location to external materials

[abstract crag]

@arctic ginkgo I deleted all four of them and everything works like normal still.

[hollow hemlock]

How can i reduce face mesh memory ??

[somber sequoia]

fewer vertices, fewer shape keys

[inland seal]

How to make an object not to move with my character?

[junior void]

World constraint

[somber sequoia]

That's the same model in the scene, right?

[inland seal]

I dont have one

[timber wharf]

vrc constraint - freeze to world position

[inland seal]

ok

[inland seal]

parent or position?

[balmy barn]

parent then animate freeze to world in the constraint

use a source (none work just grabs whatever its on) or it wont reset to your av

[gusty lion]

yo im making an avatar and when i import it to thisis what it looks liek does anyone know how to fix this

[desert elk]

What's wrong with it? looks good to me

[alpine peak]

Hi, I'm back
Does anyone know why the textures look patchy and if so is there a way to fix it? Avatar is for PC btw

[timber wharf]

@inland seal parent=position+rotation

[gleaming hatch]

Does anyone by chance have a good source on how to make arms recoil and react, or 2 hand properly when I'm holding a pistol, I saw something about final ik and I saw what gewere41s avatars can do but I I wanted to learn how to do this for my own avatars since I enjoy the milsim/survival rp stuffs and like to actually 2 hand my pistols and recoil when fired

I know aim constraints are a thing I use those all the time for rifles but I want a more visceral reactive feeling than a laser pointer

[wind skiff]

you can also do this with vrcfury if that's your preferred way of making toggles

there's a world drop action you can add to toggles, gestures etc. which sets up a constraint and stuff for you

[dusky cargo]

hello guys, how do i fix my camera?

[somber sequoia]

move it to the desired location in Unity?

[dusky cargo]

i did

[somber sequoia]

ah, it wasn't at all clear that's what you were showing.
You don't have another camera on the avatar, do you?

[dusky cargo]

i only have the white dot and the main camera

[wheat owl]

How do I make my own Mamehinata avatar? I have tried finding guides and help online but I am so lost. I really don’t mind buying the base model, I just want to know what I’m getting into before I start

[somber sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ&list=PLt8qiEFqNHFkPqpKLnVRx-G78mGvjPbFt

beyond that, try to ask specific questions, describe what you've done and where you're stuck

[proud vessel]

Is there a way to troubleshoot why an avatar "failed security checks" and was immediately deleted from vrchat? I'm confused because theres no particles, no addons, nothing it just uploaded and immediately deleted itself. its a green avatar, wasnt sure if anyone had any suggestions because I've never had this happehn

like its got 2 textures and 4 visemes its simple as it can get lol, uses android shaders even, or standard shaders on pc, doesnt have gestures or paramaters or a menu, no emotes or anything, just the default menu/param

[balmy barn]

compressed/uncompressed size if you using a older sdk it wont tell you its above limits and get nuked in security checks

yet to experience any of my av get hit by it ( i optimize alot though )

[proud vessel]

oh! okay ill check that. thank you by the way 🙂

[civic cliff]

https://youtu.be/UU9NFJz2qls?si=z7v-gnkQYVG_PxOi i used this tutorial to make one simple facial expression for my avatar and it worked on pc but isnt working on quest

i have everything set up exactly the same except i needed to record the animation slightly differently than he showed in the video

[gusty lion]

this is showing up

and its not working

[somber sequoia]

did you do what it tells you to do?

[civic cliff]

i THINK i know what the issue is but don't have a clue how to fix it, when i want to record the animation it doesn't let me record it under the main avatar in the hierarchy, when i go to click on the body mesh after making a new animation under the main avatar it prompts me to make an entirely new animation which is specifically tied to the body mesh, and it didn't do that on the PC side for some reason but i have no idea how to google this or fix it

[normal sonnet]

Hey guys, I'm trying to add a tail wagging animation to a gesture. I've tested the animation out using the animation player in Gesture Manager and the animation works perfectly there, but the moment the animation is activated via gesture, it just freezes at the first point of the tail wag.

[dusky cargo]

how to i make my camera go up and down? it only goes right and left.

[night ember]

dont have a camera on the avatar

[mossy kayak]

why is my avatar standing like that when i use av3 emulator? it doesn't do that in the T-pose (second picture)

[balmy barn]

vrchat locomotion+addition layer shuffles your feet, disable 3/6 tracking or leave base empty it wont shuffle

[mossy kayak]

? what

[balmy barn]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers/#base

[mossy kayak]

so i just remove it?

[dusky cargo]

main camera and vrc avatar "view" too?

[mossy kayak]

cuz i didnt set anything so im confused

[balmy barn]

default = the controllers exsamples here

they have locomotion animation, sitting, standing, ectectect

[night ember]

the one on the avatar

[mossy kayak]

so by remove you mean this?

[balmy barn]

dont reccomend that you will behave very wierd in vrchat

[mossy kayak]

so i dont know what you mean

[balmy barn]

there is this but its also just a toggle for vr

[mossy kayak]

i have no idea what this means 😭

i dont have full body tracking

[balmy barn]

never seen a desktopper without a locomotion , they would slide wierdly around

[mossy kayak]

im not on desktop either, i just dont have full body tracking

ive just got a headset and controllers nothing else

[balmy barn]

'vr' isnt just fbt , you can toggle this off already ingame

slide around without feet moving

[mossy kayak]

so like what does the tracking mean here

[balmy barn]

3 / 4 point tracking = vr , 6p = fbt , disable it you slide around not doing any locomotion animations

[mossy kayak]

disable which one tho?

im just confused how to make it not stand like that because it wasnt doing that earlier when i tested in vrchat

ah shit my wifi went out

nvm it back on

[tribal sable]

how do i fix avatar validation failed?

[dusky cargo]

why when i make a toggle only this shows up?

[somber sequoia]

Unless that's the only error, paste the first 2-3 at the top, this message by itself isn't helpful unfortunately

[wheat owl]

it's more just that I have never done any modeling before 😅 everything is new to me so it is confusing when I see ppl talking about "building their own Mamehinata" when I have no idea how to do that haha

[somber sequoia]

it's a very broad and vague statement, so I'm not sure what to suggest

[wheat owl]

hmmmm yeah I wish I knew what to ask but everything is just very new to me in this kind of a sense

like I am assuming I need to know lots of 3D modeling stuff before I can make my own model

[somber sequoia]

if you want to make a model from scratch, sure, start by learning blender

[wheat owl]

oof yeah this is def gonna be harder than I thought

I have also seen ppl talking about paying other ppl to make them a custom Mamehinata, does anyone know where I should go to figure that out?

[somber sequoia]

you can commission people at the VRC Traders discord, link is in #1204490664637890580

[tribal sable]

ok give ma sec

[karmic junco]

How do I add toggleable animations to an avatar without audio

[somber sequoia]

there are no more errors above this?

[somber sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y

[tribal sable]

there are 76...

[somber sequoia]

ok then do what I said, paste the first 2-3 (at the top)

[frank nova]

I have a particle that stands still when spawned (using velocity over lifetime with the speed modifier set to 0.)
When I make a gesture it sets it to 1 and fires, this part works fine. The problem I'm having is that it has a sub-emitter that makes fire trail behind it and around it when it's stationary. In unity it works fine (Image provided,) But in VRChat itself the fire is completely offset and behind the main particle to a point where its not even connected, yet when the particle fires it does follow it, just not at the right position. Anyone know why this is happening?

[tribal sable]

you want what is inside or will this pic do enough?

[somber sequoia]

wow that's not a useful message at all 😦

[tribal sable]

i dont know what im supposed to be looking for sorry m8

that is the top 1-4 errors

[somber sequoia]

I'd probably try clearing the console (button at top left) and then redoing the build, to see what shows up

[tribal sable]

i have reimported all packages and restarted unity ill try to clear and do it another time ilyk

ok how do fix this

cause i have multiple of this type of parameter error

[somber sequoia]

Add that parameter to the Avatar Parameters List

[tribal sable]

ok

[frank nova]

This is what I mean by it being offset.

[tribal sable]

o shit i fixed it

lets gooo thanks m8

[karmic junco]

I meant toggleable emotes lol, not animations

[somber sequoia]

emotes are animations

[karmic junco]

Ah

[quiet scaffold]

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to add like a radial option on a model to change the colors of a model?
Right now these are different textures and materials but they use material visemes to change facial expressions and blink! so is there a way to add a radial so someone can swap colors if they prefer?

all visemes and blinking are animation material swaps with vrc fury

[somber sequoia]

1: use a shader that has a hue shift and then drive that with a float variable.
2: same float variable, but setup animations that change the material's base colors at various points along an animation, use the float variable as the animation position
3: if you have a small set of colors, do material swaps with different base color textures

[spark walrus]

Hello, I have an avatar with wings, and I want to add a toggle where the wings change speed when using the radial wheel. If anyone would like to teach and show me how, please DM me. Thank you.

[cunning swan]

best shader for hair on quest side

[somber sequoia]

vrchat's standard or toon lit

[manic wraith]

This is what pops up whenever I try to upload the avatar, is there any fix to it?

[balmy barn]

776mb , optimize your avatar

500 is pc limit (wich is stupid high)

[somber sequoia]

Optimization time, see the discussion history in#avatar-optimization for info

[manic wraith]

Thank you!!

[raven portal]

I keep trying to make a necklace that has a drill on it and when someone grabs the drill it can move it around cause it to pull on the cord of the necklace, and while I got the necklace to interact perfectly fine the drill just never budges.

[cunning swan]

ok im going use toon lit but how do i make the hair transparent

[desert elk]

Quest doesn't have transparency

[cunning swan]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[cunning swan]

particles shaders

[manic wraith]

Can you dm me? I have a question-

[fading python]

Okay so I was going to buy a booth avatar but before I do that, how exactly do I upload it like put it in vrchat? I’m new to this and also yes I do have a pc.

[somber sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ&list=PLt8qiEFqNHFkPqpKLnVRx-G78mGvjPbFt

Also https://vcc.docs.vrchat.com/guides/getting-started

[sand spade]

Can someone help me please? I'm using Poyomi shaders, i have it set to cut out but the ripped edges on the shorts won't go transparent. The shorts doesn't have an alpha map either.

[somber sequoia]

where is your transparency then, the base color texture?

[sand spade]

it is a base color texture yes

[somber sequoia]

make sure you check "alpha is transparency" in the inspector for that texture

[sand spade]

Okay I checked that but id didn't seem to change it

[somber sequoia]

make sure your shader is using an appropriate transparency setting, at the top

[sand spade]

texture looks like this

[somber sequoia]

by default it's set to "opaque

literally nothing we can tell about alpha from that image

[somber sequoia]

oh you said you have it set to to cutout, good

I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like, but the settings all seem reasonable

[sand spade]

thats from the gumroad image I got the shorts from

[somber sequoia]

did they not come with a material to do this?

[sand spade]

those are the only textures it came with

unless the opacity is the alpha?

[somber sequoia]

I said "material" not texture

but yes, opacity is probably what you want for an alpha map

[sand spade]

No it didn't come with a material. Only the fbx and textures

TY for being so patient. I put the opacity in the alpha map spot and its working now.

[somber sequoia]

oh good!

[icy wyvern]

yall have any clue to why a radial slider would not work for a hue shift?
all the parameters are the same (i double and tripple chekced), motion time is set, the animator controller is applied, and the animation works in the animation tab

ive been scratching my head at this for the past few days and figured id ask yall 💀

[somber sequoia]

not really without seeing how you've set it up

[icy wyvern]

ah fair enough, what would you need?

[somber sequoia]

describe entirely how you have things setup

[icy wyvern]

alrighty then

so i have things set up with poiyomi shaders - i have some material swaps with a blend tree and those work perfectly fine but im having an issue with 2 hue shifts not working. The way i have the animation for the hue set up is to record one keyframe at 0 in the hue slider and then another at 1 in the hue slider. I then use the motion time aspect of animations to animate it as the radial works

[carmine spear]

U gotta split up the animations, so make an animation with the hue slider at 0, and another animation with the hue slider at 1 ^^

[icy wyvern]

yep

thats for like

the speed shift no?

i have it set like that for my rgb toggle

[carmine spear]

Not sure i understand what a speed shift is, this is how ive set up mine for reference

[icy wyvern]

ah, im using poiyomi so its a bit easier to set up

this is how i have my hue shifts set up animation wise

as it scrolles across in the animation it shifts the hue at a corresponding value

[carmine spear]

Can i see how youve set up ur blendtree?

[icy wyvern]

sure thing

i only have blend trees for my mats swaps though

[carmine spear]

Ah, so how is ur hue shifts set up?

[icy wyvern]

it uses the motion time to scrub across the animation

[carmine spear]

Did u set the weight to 1?

[icy wyvern]

yes

its just two animations that seem to not be working - which is odd because i have everything else set up the same way

ive even gone so far as to create a whole new unity project 😭

[dense parrot]

going to bump this issue, im still having the same error, its persisting even after a full windows reinstall. i dont know what else to do. im completely blocked from using unity for anything because it wont decompress any package. even ones that i create and export myself fail upon re-import

[somber sequoia]

You don't if you're using your variable as the position in a single animation. If you're doing a blend between two, sure, you're right

(I tend to do blendtrees for this, and thus two animations, but both are valid methods)

[icy wyvern]

both have good use cases tbh, its a matter of preference thats all

ah this is the radial shift for refrence

it just doesnt seem to wanna work

[carmine spear]

Wait how does this work in a blendtree? Im having trouble switching between 4 different pieces of clothing and cant seem to make this work

[somber sequoia]

not sure why that blendtree is blending between two of the same animation

[carmine spear]

Its doing that because i dont know how to set it up with one animation like u mentioned i could

[somber sequoia]

if you're trying to do fancy stuff with direct blend trees, this is a good primer: https://vrc.school/docs/Other/DBT-Combining/

with one animation you use your float parameter as the motion time parameter

with two, you use it to blend between an "off" and an "on" animation.

[carmine spear]

Ive tried setting it up like this but this doesnt seem to be working either, i hope u see where i wanna go with this, is this even possible to do in a blendtree?

[somber sequoia]

I'm really not following what you're trying to do here

[carmine spear]

i can do this to make it work, but could i set this up in a blendtree instead?

[somber sequoia]

that image literally tells us nothing about what this does

[carmine spear]

I use this animation to toggle between clothes, and then i use the variable to store to motion time of the animation
This allows me to use a radial puppet to toggle between clothes. Im sorry if im not explaining well this is new to me..
I really just want this set up in a blendtree cause i have a few of these outfit toggles

[somber sequoia]

I definitely don't use a radial for clothing toggles, but the actual menu stuff is not that relevant, do whatever you want there

I do what's in that link I just shared about Direct Blendtrees for basically everything that's a toggle, including sometimes making complex logic.

(mostly I use bools in the menu, which turn into floats in the animator)

[carmine spear]

Alright, this just takes up alot of memory as i need alot of float variables and im not sure what to do when its all used up

[somber sequoia]

any of those which are just on/off turn into bools

also FX weight you don't need to be synced, take it out of the avatar parameters entirely

lot of those are definitely floats though

[carmine spear]

If i set them as bools they wont work in the blendtree right?

[somber sequoia]

again, you should read that site I linked, it explains how this works here: https://vrc.school/docs/Other/Parameter-Mismatching

[carmine spear]

Alright. Ty for helping :)

[icy wyvern]

not sure if this helps any, genuinely cant find any issues
im running with poi v 7.3 for reference

If anyone has any tips to help, please ping me because im clueless atp

[frigid wren]

Hi i was wondering if there is any vrchat server where i can go in voice chat and show how i struggle and mayyyybe get some help about it

It's such a mess that i don't know how to just explain it by writting so bruh 💀

[spark walrus]

im having a problem in normal scene view the face is normal but in play mode using the gesture manager the mouth is stuck open and ive tryed changing the visemes in the animator but all are at 0 and i cant shut his mouth how do i do that? i just want his face to be default https://gyazo.com/8be53fd07e8e2c85d3c1d9edd8d3aa52 https://gyazo.com/5dd0b9ebc625634cae0b6b405ebf1bd7

[ornate stump]

Remove jaw bone from rig configuration.

[spark walrus]

ok ill try thanks

[spark walrus]

thank you legend

[short ferry]

so yesterday i uploaded an avatar with good textures. it was completely fine the entire time. I then get on vrc today and notice that the avatars textures are crunched. I didn't even open the unity project today

i am also on pc

[hard spruce]

i was wondering the same thing

[craggy dirge]

Does anyone know how to fix this issue?

[timber wharf]

for example, rename bones in blender so actual humanoid bone is always the first child.

but overall i dont think it does anything bad nowadays

[keen cape]

(Im very new so keep in mind u might see mistakes) so image 1 is to point things out but anyways so i have outfits made for me i want to put into the kitty as u see so if u look in image 3 do i drag the whole file in the bottom area or find a way to drag it into the kitty itself as ive pointed out

[craggy dirge]

My characters legs were messed up at the shin which is the issue

everything else was fine

[grizzled crow]

trying to add a figure 8 animation, but the rotation is not correct? Like.. when i try to make it roll, it pitches wildly..
And two rotation axies are aligned?

[shrewd hedge]

I need the help custom fit clothing in blender

[grizzled crow]

apparently its... gimbal lock?

confused as to how to prevent gimbal lock when exporting

wait found a video

[mystic schooner]

So, I'm trying to make an animation that shoves the legs inside of the body, overriding base leg movement (that part works), but I don't want it to override arm/hand movement. I have the animation in the Action layer, and I have a mask with only the legs green, but it's still overriding the arms as well as the legs

[timber wharf]

@mystic schooner https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control

[mystic schooner]

This didn't work either. The hands are still overridden

Do Animator Tracking Control and masking even work in the Action layer?

[hollow moon]

So I was using the creator companion to work on an avatar, and I was adding some things I thought I'd need from the creator companion, and when I returned to unity to work on my avatar, unity said that the things I added were outdated, but the creator companion wasn't showing any updated versions.

These are the things from the creator companion I thought would be needed.

[dull marten]

i'm facing an issue with my buffer particle where it doesn't move with the object itself

[warm ferry]

can someone help me figure out why others cant see my avatar? I know its low performing but PC and Quest dont see it, they see the last avi i put on.

[timber wharf]

@mystic schooner tracking control primarily used on it, default animations switch everything to tracking

idk bout masks, may not

[mystic schooner]

Okay, I was just told that the arms do move when the animation is toggled, just the fingers don't, and I can see it in the Gesture Manager when I have fist active, then toggle on and off the animation

I have both the ATC and mask on and it's still not letting the fingers move

Added the mask and ATC to the FX layer that's toggling on the smears and that didn't do anything either

[timber wharf]

try removing masks overall if animation doesnt have hand properties to begin with

fx doesnt care for masks, whole thing gets masked every humanoid bone out on upload

cause fx not for bones

[mystic schooner]

I'm just trying everything I can to get the fingers moving again

[thick siren]

My model turns around when enforcing T pose, any way to fix this? it fucks with some of the weight painting!

[tranquil wharf]

I made this audio system for a Link the other day and when I tested it out in gesture manager it worked flawlessly but then I uploaded it and the sound effects played twice for some reason...

The idea is that it plays one sound when I take an item out and play the other when I put it away.

[wind skiff]

you can also slap on a vrcfury parameter compressor

[wind skiff]

if you need floats for blend trees, but the parameters are only ever 0/1 or false/true, you can simply define them as bools in the vrc expression parameters and floats in your animator, vrchat automatically converts between mismatched types

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#mismatched-parameter-type-conversion

[spark walrus]

i wanna make my own avatar and someone was kind to make it alr FBX but when i tried to make a project and open unity this happend:

what do i do?

nvm someone else is alr helping me

[arctic laurel]

why do i keep getting this message it sis set to humanoid and the head bone is there so i am super confused i dragged it into blender to add a blend shape it was fine when i did that the other day but tonight when i went to add another it just does this when i try to put it into play mode through gesture manager

[junior void]

check your fbx import settings tab, maybe it undid itself because you have a mesh thats called head and a bone thats called head, which would be not allowed and thus, throws a tantrum ;)

[sharp lynx]

Hiya! Was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the PCSS liltoon shader. Been having issues with it.
I got it to show the shadows in unity (first image), but when I check it in game, the shadows are gone (second image).

Does anyone know what's causing it?

[timber wharf]

disable realtime light in unity, see how it looks

if its enabled

most properly optimised worlds only use lightprobes to lit avatars

[harsh thicket]

how should the lighting be done?
LightProbes and Reflection Probs (aka Baked Lighing) are usually the way to go.
Far as my Tests go, I get a result very close to blenders EEVEE engine.

[harsh thicket]

It looks like, the Hair casts shadow in unity, but not in the world.
This might caused by a realtime World Light, which have not shadows enabled.

[junior void]

Last i heard, the shader relies on the avatar having a light on it, because world light being unreliable

[harsh thicket]

this would defently tank the performance (and reduce the rating because of the light) if to many avatars in the world have a setup like this.

best would be to test the avatar in a world with corret lighting (can't remember the name of the avatar test world)

[junior void]

Not sure what the ping was for. Im literally just stating from memory, not arguing for or against its practice

[harsh thicket]

ping? I usually use the answer function to keep posts in thier context

[junior void]

Replies ping people by default unless turned off specifically

[junior void]

Like this

[harsh thicket]

I know, as much like to discuss this, this is not the place XD

[timber wharf]

no

they dont do it unless they require it for depth map for some shaders, so its a toggle, or well literal flashlight etc. any avi that relies on light 24/7 cant be called anything to look up to and shouldnt be used out of private instances.

i looked more closely and ye, thats self-shadow so it does require realtime shadow casting light, which you wont ever see in any optimised world. technically you can slap one on your avi, personally id block it on sight (if shield level even would show it to me in the first place) for being garbage perfromance. 🤷‍♂️
so maybe have it as a toggle or local only light for photos use. idk how public your gameplay is.

@sharp lynx lost ping

[junior void]

I considered using it once, asked someone who uses it about it and they told me its dogshit performance wise, so i never got it

Hence my statement above.

[sharp lynx]

Yeah, unfortunately PCSS is a very performance heavy shader - so I try not to use them in publics where there will be a lot of people.

In response to your first reply as well, I'll have to try world hopping a bit and see if maybe it was just the world I was in at the time that messed with it. :">

[sharp lynx]

PCSS does have a toggle in the radial menu! I try to keep PCSS shaded avatars out of large public lobbies or even just keeping them purely for solo play when I'm doing photography.

[fiery hemlock]

when i join prismics avatar search it says downloading database but it never downloads it and doesnt let me search anything does anyone know a fix?

[sharp lynx]

when was the last time you cleared your content cache? :")

[fiery hemlock]

3 minutes ago

[sharp lynx]

oki. Have you tried lowering the result limit?

[fiery hemlock]

just did

[sharp lynx]

If that doesn't work either, it could just be a connection issue

[fiery hemlock]

should i try on a different device?

[sharp lynx]

what are you playing on rn?

[fiery hemlock]

im on pc non vr rn i usually connect my quest to the pc

[sharp lynx]

mm.. only thing i can think of is it's a connection issue since there shouldnt be anything else affecting it. ;; maybe someone else will be a better help than me

[fiery hemlock]

okay thanks

[fiery hemlock]

so i tried to open a vpn while in the world and it said download failed please try again. clicked try again and then it worked but it kicked me due because i change my network connection then i tried logging in while the vpn was open the whole time and it didnt work again its stuck on downloading

[frigid wren]

🥹 👍

[proper depot]

Hello! Would anyone have any idea why I cant show any of my clothes or hairs on my avatar for my toggles to work? She works fine in game, but I have to upload without clothes and im assuming i need to fix my animations but tinkering about with them didnt seem to fix this issue, any ideas???

This is how I have to upload her, in playmode shes fine only if the clothes are not shown like in the picture

[amber gull]

any idea why when i import a prefab avi on unity and then edit it on blender then importing it again on unity, the new changes didn't appear and its still the old version?

[ornate stump]

If you unpacked model prefab in the scene, that's the reason.

[amber gull]

so i need to unpack it completely?

[ornate stump]

No.

Do NOT unpack at all.

[amber gull]

what should i do

[amber gull]

why..

[ornate stump]

That's what cause your model in the scene not updating with new FBX data that's why.

[amber gull]

ohh i see

so what's the best method?

[ornate stump]

Do NOT unpack at all.

[amber gull]

haha i know

i meant if i made few changes on blender and i want it on unity again

sometimes it doesn't change when i export it again

[ornate stump]

Because it's unpacked, the link to fbx file data is broken, so it doesn't update.

[amber gull]

so its gg for me

[lilac musk]

You might be able to drop in your new changed fbx and use pumpkin's avatar tools to copy some of the Unity work from the broken one. But yea, dont unpack a prefab unless you know how to fix the references and such

[amber gull]

thats what i did, i just wana know is it always gona be broken if i re export it again on unity or is there a way to apply the new changes with the existing prefab

[ornate stump]

Unpacked prefab is only fine when updating some mesh data. Apart from that one case, it's going to break multiple things.

[amber gull]

i see thank u

[pale bluff]

hello i have a question, how can i make follower when he's walking he will have walking animation and when he's standing he will be have standing animation

[timber wharf]

if its following is based on physbone, check stretch and disable animator when stretch is 1 ie no stretch

but overall just modify glorious https://github.com/hfcRed/Among-Us-Follower

[pale bluff]

but even the amongus is not animated :(

[timber wharf]

huh? but it is

[pale bluff]

when i add him to scene he's following but not walking, you know what i mean

like not animated walk

[timber wharf]

🤷‍♂️

[round comet]

Mine still does when I’m unpacked if I do tweaks like more sculpting, etc

Or weight painting

[ornate stump]

That's mesh data as I mentioned in previous message.

[round comet]

Ahh I see

[harsh thicket]

try adding a bone, and you get modern art

[undone palm]

hi- does anyone know how to fix this issue-? i installed the evilFox outfit for my avi and noticed this issue wher the mask part disappears on top of the face, even though in the unity editor it displays it just fine.

[long sierra]

For some reason, my test avatar has all of the updates I made to it work fine, but when I publish it and try to use the published version, none of the changes show up. O_o

[void kettle]

How do you add textures onto bases on blender?

[long sierra]

I figured it out, I needed to switch to another published avatar first, not a different sdk avatar

[somber sequoia]

you put textures into materials and put materials onto faces

[void kettle]

Alright ! Ty!!

[quasi briar]

Did you test it with GestureManager? The unity window is not accurate even in playmode unless you have some kind of emulator like GestureManager
My first thought is that the animation may not be set up properly

[balmy barn]

rendering queue on mask material same or lower then face = face get rendered first

[quasi briar]

I had a feeling it could be something with shaders but I've never encountered that myself so I wasn't sure how to fix it

[broken bone]

might be a render queue issue--Ah Thulen beat me to it

[mossy kayak]

so i think i heard somewhere that two eyes bones werent required anymore (as in, lefteye and eye_L, etc) but eye look is acting a bit strange for me. is it still ideal to have two eye bones? i can't really find any recent information on it

[somber sequoia]

in most cases you do want two, so their rotation centers are different

[mossy kayak]

the most recent version of (unofficial) CATS blender plugin no longer duplicates the eye bones, so i'm not sure how exactly to go about it

[somber sequoia]

but what do you have right now?

[mossy kayak]

should i just duplicate and rename them? and which ones should i put in the unity rig vs in the avatar descriptor

[mossy kayak]

jhust righteye and lefteye

[somber sequoia]

is this a mmd or vroid avatar or something?

[mossy kayak]

i mdae it myself

[somber sequoia]

then you don't need cats

just make the eye bones pointing straight up, with the head at the center point of rotation, zero roll, and you're fine.

[mossy kayak]

weird then, cause that's how i have it set up right now and the eyes aren't moving in-game

[somber sequoia]

are the meshes weight painted to those bones?

[mossy kayak]

yes
i am able to rotate them fine in blender and unity they just, don't actually rotate in-game for some reason

[somber sequoia]

if you rotate the bones in blender in pose mode, do the eyes move properly?

[junior void]

are they mapped in the rig config

[mossy kayak]

yes

[somber sequoia]

that ^ seems reasonable then

[mossy kayak]

i'm just lost on what to do 😭 is it a bug or something

[somber sequoia]

they move if you rotate them in Unity too, right?

[mossy kayak]

yes i said that

[somber sequoia]

just checking

[unique shell]

Hey, is it possible to change a texture for AFK Mode?

[balmy barn]

Detect afk - change material or activate decal/whatever object ect

AFK Is player unavailable (HMD proximity sensor / End key) Bool IK

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#parameters

[unique shell]

?

Can you give me an example of how its done?

[balmy barn]

[ do nothing ] < false | parameter = AFK | true > [ do stuff ] , fx controller

its like any other easy toggle except you use the AFK bool to trigger stuff

[round comet]

Ideas for tail and fin texturing? Not a fan of the tail texture tbh and I’ld love input

[mossy kayak]

tested again after tinkering with stuff, realized the blinking isn't working in-game either. both the blinking and eye movement work with the av3emulator in unity, what's the deal? gestures work fine

[oblique pumice]

i have an issue with the outline for some reason it disapears on game mode..

[broken bone]

It needs some variation, it's too simplistic. Add colour and roughness variations using textures--grunge maps or noise maps for instance.

You could also add some subtle details. Sometimes shark skin has cuts or notches in it. Use something like this for reference:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w6GLD9

[round comet]

yeye I haven't added anything yet

basically just dragged the texture into unity and it slapped it on and I dislike it fr

I do like those :o

[mossy kayak]

okay, after tinkering around for a bit i realized if i remove vrcfury from the avatar's hierarchy, the blinking and eye movement works again? anyone know why this is?

[somber sequoia]

at a guess, fury's adding some animation layer which is taking over those

[oblique pumice]

i changed the background to solid colour and it worked

[mossy kayak]

weird though since i only added toggles, and even when i disable/enable them in-game the issue still persists

[proper depot]

Hello! Just replying to my message to see if anyone knows! Still unable to find a fix, I have a feeling its how I recorded my animations but im not 100% sure, but I would really like to fix her baldness 💀 --

[desert elk]

I'd assume the animations were recorded with the clothing off, so they'll work if you upload her with the clothing off

to fix it, I'd show all of the stuff I want shown during upload and rerecord animations of those clothes

and it should be fine

[proper depot]

yes this is what ive been doing, uploading her with no clothes, because her default has clothes on, she isnt naked at all other than in the unity scene itself, but the problem is shes gonna be put on my shop so i dont wanna sell her and she be nakey in the unity package 💀 and the toggles were recorded as ints, and and so the clothes and everything else just need the one 'ON' animation to have their toggle.

[manic grotto]

Is there a way to do parameter change tracking inside an animator controller?
I have a state machine that I would like to run only when a float controlled by a radial puppet changes from whatever previous value it was set to. As far as I know, I can't do equality operators within a transition condition, so how else would I go about this, if at all?

[desert elk]

I've done int toggles before and you can put clothes on her and rerecord some animations as OFF then ON. It will still work and she won't be naked on upload.

[full pollen]

i downloaded the hand heart package but how do i add it onto my avi and make it a gesture

[proper depot]

Like this :00000 ?

Thank you for the help btw!

[proper depot]

I would suggest joining the creator's server for help

[errant locust]

what happens when say all bones dont attach? can i still move it to unity?

to the skin i mean..

im having difficulty will really low poly.

[kindred pilot]

hi

how to i add a texture if its grayed out

wait i got it im stupid

[undone palm]

is it this thing here under rendering? i tried fiddling with the values by setting the mask mat to over 2000 (my avis face is set to 2000) but nothing really changed

[spice flicker]

My SDK wont load

[mint scroll]

For some reason my viewpoint in unity and in vrc don't match up and I can't figure out why. I removed all leaf bones and yet that didn't solve the problem, any ideas to fix it?

[mint scroll]

export it and then you'll be able to edit it, when you need to place it back onto the avatar after exporting you just gotta drag it to the part of the mesh that needs coloring

I recommend making a materials folder to export them into

if you need to change it to image textures you need to specifically edit the albedo in order to select the image, to do so you need a texture folder.

[crisp trail]

any tips for getting her into unity?

[austere bay]

that's a bit broad, wym tips?

[crisp trail]

mostly for the textures and how i can transfer material node setups into unity. i did a strange setup so i could freely change the color values without alterting texture data

[austere bay]

make sure to remove all cameras in your scene, set your avatars position to 0,0,0? idk what else, I've had issues with viewpoint recently too, maybe it's just a current bug?

[austere bay]

i dont think you can automatically transfer node setups but you can sort of copy them depending on the shader you use in unity

[desert elk]

also make sure you only have one avatar descriptor!

[crisp trail]

i have displacement maps emission maps and a few maps using alpha values as a means to designate primary and secondary color on my mesh. should i try and bake some of it down into one image?

[austere bay]

yeah you can, is your avatar rigged tho? I just can't see any bones

[crisp trail]

yes just have them hidden so you can see my model better

[austere bay]

oh okay

[crisp trail]

the focus isnt on the rigging the focus for me is materials and how to get a simular set up to what i have in blender

[austere bay]

but yeah if you care about optimising it then try to use the least amount of textures possible

[austere bay]

ye I just wanted to make sure bc I couldn't see bones, didn't want you getting to unity and realising

[crisp trail]

honestly as my first test i dont care too much about optimization. i have node setups like this for every body part so i can have seperate colors for arms legs chest head etc

its a mess and a headache using 2 to 3 textures per material for the limbs. but the upside is the high level of customization that comes with it.

[crystal kernel]

this is shaders, unity materials used textures.

you at most need 3/4 image texutes (for albedo, normal, metallic and uhh.. mask or something) cause shader data aint transferring over to unity

unless of course, i talk complete shit and there is a way, unbeknownst to me

[crisp trail]

jamming you probably know more then me for unity stuff. maybe there is a specific unity package on github or somerwhere else like it that could do what i am talking about...but thats a big IF

IF there was a program that made doing what i want to do that simple.

[main fiber]

using gesture manager, it seems like my right hand controls the gestures of both hands, and my left doesn't seem responsive at all to any gestures. it's something to do with the masks in my FX layer but im not sure how to fix it.

[unreal warren]

I would like a little help. The avatar view position does NOT change with the avatar for some random ass reason. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[sick tusk]

?

how do i import models into unity?

[unreal warren]

Whenever you are in an open unity project, right click on the “Assets” file on the bottom left corner of your screen. A large menu will pop up. Go down the menu until you find “Import New Assets,” then it will open up your files. You will have to scroll through your files and find whatever models you want to import, and then once you’ve selected them, you would then click “Import.”

[sick tusk]

Thanks

[glass geyser]

so I created a low poly model of my character since I'm very new to 3d modeling, it has 1,900 triangles

but since I want it to be in vrchat, what are the required bones it must have to work? since I have a limited number of tris to assign to a bone

[junior void]

Hip spine chest neck head (eyes optional for eye looking). Upper legs, lower legs, foot (toe optional). Upper arm, lower arm, hand (fingers optional)

Need jaw bone if you want jaw flap talking, otherwise blendshapes

[glass geyser]

Alright then thanks everything on him is textures so we won't look or move his mouth but plan to add that later on

[dense mason]

can someone help teach me how to use unity editor because i have to idea

i want to start making avis

[native kelp]

I'm kind of having trouble with this base it said i needed to transfer my rig to human and not generic and i did it, but not without consequences the rig wont work because something's wrong with the hand i tried to fix it with other methods but it wouldn't work, also i thought you can also use generic rigs on vrc but im not sure

[quasi briar]

Use humanoid then click "enfore T-pose" in the rig menu

enforce*

[native kelp]

Oh shit

that worked

thx

[native kelp]

hm I enforced it and it still dint work

am i suppose to press apply after or somhing else

[dire wigeon]

I bought some tentacles for my monster av and when I move around they stretch all the way into the sky or across the map. Any ideas why and how to fix?

[mild light]

yoo is there a way to stop the Avatar from rendering for local user?

as in whenever you use the avatar yourself

Im guessing it has to do with the Layers but im unsure, maybe something else?

Phaha nevermind ended up using VRC Headchop on Armature and it works perfectly :kek:

[quartz yacht]

Hey, so I had a question

I was creating a quest version of a new avatar, and it let me upload using unity's standard shaders instead of requesting me to add materials with unity's mobile shaders

is this a new update that doesn't make you do that manually or a bug?

[blazing marlin]

any idea on how to make particles double sided

[shut trellis]

How do I use blender?

[chilly coral]

I sadly don’t have a PC, but I have a chromebook and I’d like to upload some avatars I bought would there be a way I could do this on my chromebook? Or could I ask somebody to upload them for me?

[desert elk]

that's way too broad of a question

you need to be more specific

[warm charm]

Chat how do I go about commissioning an avatar-?

[warm charm]

Blender donut on YouTube is a pretty good start

[desert elk]

VRC Traders server, link in #1204490664637890580

[warm charm]

Oh thanks!

[unique shell]

I may need help: This one avatar Im doing has the Base Layer being overridden by the Action Layer
(Other words: The Action Layer is being played first until I turned on and off the AFK, which makes the Base Layer turn on)

How do I fix that issue?

(Also the avatar im working on is a generic avi)

[feral steppe]

why does unity cap animation key frames at 1023?

[modern scaffold]

anyone know how to make custom jumping animation

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-mania-studiopolis-studiopolis-zone-sonic-orbs-gif-23603669

[pale adder]

does freeze to world sync across late joiners?

[somber arch]

tryna add a gold tooth to an avi, how would i go about making just the 1 tooth gold/reflective, and not the rest of them, its on a misc layer

[icy wyvern]

bumping this bc i still cant find the issue

[sand spade]

I'm reworking my avatar animations. I've made new ones. Does anyone know how to remove clips/animations from here in the animation tab

[proud tusk]

when I put part of an armature from a clothing base into the model, for some reason, it'll take a physbones from the chest of the model

[glass geyser]

How do I fix these errors I literally just imported my model

I know for a fact my model does t have that many tris it's literally only 1,900 and I know there's usually auto fix options but they're not there this time. Also confused about the bounding box

[somber sequoia]

there's a pin in #avatar-rigging that's very useful here

[somber sequoia]

expand that window or scroll right - there's an autofix for the polygon count one.
If not, enable read/write in the first tab of the inspector for the model (.fbx) file

[haughty moth]

Any idea what could cause contacts to be deactivated on playmode?

From what I tested in VRC, they are also disabled there too.

[austere bay]

an animation?

on ur fx layer

probs on your base layer or just set up to be disabled on entry

[haughty moth]

No animation was setup for the contact as it is one I added not too long ago.

[austere bay]

I'd just redo the contact

see if the issues still there

[austere bay]

remove from the animation layer

[austere bay]

I usually set up hue shift animations w one animation at 0 and one animation at 1 then use a blend tree to shift them

I think using a blend tree with just one animation should work though

just make sure your blend tree and parameters are set up correctly

[sand spade]

I made the new blendtree animation and deleted the old blendshape and its not going away for some reason

[austere bay]

somewhere in your animation layer you still have the animations you wanna get rid of

they might be in the base layer

they're usually hiding in the base layer

[sand spade]

is that all parts?

nothing is in there

[austere bay]

the base layer is whatever the first layer in ur fx is

that's where animations go when you make them

if you want them gone from the animator screen then you gotta find them in ur animator and get rid of them, idk what else to tell you

doesnt really make a difference if they're in there or not tho if they're not doing anything

[sand spade]

I'm editing an avatar I bought. I'm not too familiar with the base layer.

I know how to create and edit animations

but I usually just drop bt Fx layer in

and create animation

[austere bay]

this is your animation controller, the first layer is your base layer

[tough abyss]

idk if someone can tell me what's up with this... Never had this issue with past spartan models I'd had, this one is causing major issues. Something wrong with the rig where it's not wanting to do basic animations like walk and stuff. I'm not sure if it's the name of the bones that are causing an issue or not, but I've tried to force t-post and messed around in blender. Idk what the issue is and was wondering if anyone had any recommendatiosn

[austere bay]

is there any way you could send an image where the text is readable? (not tryna sound rude </3)

mainly of the error logs

the name of your bones shouldn't make a difference as long as its assigned correctly in the rig settings

[tough abyss]

idk if that helps lol

[sand spade]

Idk. I might have to make an entirely new Fx layer but IDK how to set up all the gestures or anything

Ty for your help tho

[austere bay]

I can't really read that still ;(

[austere bay]

you don't really

it doesn't matter that you can see them in the animator screen as long as they're not actually doing anything

so I'd test the avatar first, make sure your new animations work

if they do then you don't have to waste time w a new fx layer and gestures

[sand spade]

lol its a me problem i know. My OCD brain wants it cleaned up

They do work. I tested the animations before I deleated the other one

[ornate stump]

What did it do after you enforced tpose?

[austere bay]

I get that but maybe just leave it till you're at a more confident point with avatars? or you can take the opportunity to learn how to do gestures!

[tough abyss]

It did a t-pose like it was working and then when I went to test it in vrchat it wasn't working

[austere bay]

can you send a pic of your import settings?

[haughty moth]

Errors that show in Unity for me.

[ornate stump]

That's probably a different issue. Do you see your model do tpose the same way as the bone?

[austere bay]

did you try remaking the contact and this came up?

[tough abyss]

It does this when I force it

[sand spade]

I want to learn how to do them so bad! but what I don't know how to do is assign them to a specific hand movement, like flip off. Theres ones auto made like "fist, open, gun, thumbs up...etc"

XD

[tough abyss]

For blender or in unity?

[ornate stump]

Then rigging should be good. Do you see sdk panel warn anything?

[haughty moth]

Showed up before and after I remade the contact. And only appears the first time entering play mode after reopening the project.

[austere bay]

if you go into the vrchat sdk folder there is an animation controller that has gesture layers set up!

[tough abyss]

just that the humanoid rig one

[ornate stump]

Also don't forget to Apply after enforce tpose

[sand spade]

OMG TYSM! i'm gunna play with that!

[austere bay]

unity

[spark walrus]

guys

[ornate stump]

Did you apply after enforcing tpose though?

[spark walrus]

2019.4.31f1 ..do i need this or can I use the 2022 one

[tough abyss]

yeah

[austere bay]

you need the one for the sdk you wanna use, just download the version vrc cc tells you to download

[ornate stump]

Does the rigging tab where you chose rig type report any error?

[tough abyss]

I just noticed this

[ornate stump]

Check the import message.

[austere bay]

so does your contact still automatically disable?

or is that fixed?

[haughty moth]

Still disabling

[tough abyss]

where is the import message located?? Under the console correct?

[somber sequoia]

in that image you pasted, near the bottom

[ornate stump]

Right there in your screenshot.

[tough abyss]

blind lmao

[somber sequoia]

don't have a mesh named Head if you have a bone named Head.

[ornate stump]

That's the issue.

[tough abyss]

So, ig there's another bone acting as a another head?

[austere bay]

I genuinely don't think it could disable without an animation telling it to

[tough abyss]

lmao yes

[ornate stump]

No. Bone is for rigging mesh. Mesh is for making your model visible.

Both are 2 different objects. And unity doesn't like object sharing same name.

[tough abyss]

Yuppp

That fixed it, thank you sm

[lusty jay]

Ok so I just made a copy of my avatar to use for a quest version. And now I’m getting an error in Unity

[ornate stump]

Also post your error.

[lusty jay]

I forgot to let it rebuild the cache first. Let me see if that fixed it

[spark walrus]

Does anyone have godfall god runner

[ornate stump]

Ask in #1138520828556890214

[spark walrus]

I'm not looking for it i have a question

[ornate stump]

Better ask the actual question. It might not have anything do with your initial question.

[spark walrus]

if I have this avi godfall runner and I buy some clothing how hard will it be to remove clothing and add the clothing i bought. And is this even allowed?

[somber sequoia]

if the clothing is made specifically for that avatar, reasonably easy. If not, possibly very hard.

[spark walrus]

I'll look around

I found a free tattoo design made for the avi

[glass geyser]

which one, I can't just know which one to go to.

before I read the reply though, I can say I rigged it with adobe mixamo, there's so many things that are always gurenteed to go wrong here, I spent time applying the location scale and rotations to the armature and base model mesh and it ends up just appearing in atom size in unity for whatever reason

[somber sequoia]

diagram of an ideal rig

[glass geyser]

there's no link

[somber sequoia]

you're looking at the image there, that's what I meant

[glass geyser]

oh

well that's what it roughly looks like here anyways, I did name all the required ones for unity to automatically detect

[somber sequoia]

looks like your arms and legs have an extra joint?

[glass geyser]

this is all it shows for them in the list which I assume is right, only thing I can say is the mixamo website added 2 extra spine bones which I named one to the chest and an extra bone for the head

do I need to delete those perhaps

even then the other thing I have a problem with is unity doesn't even do the scale right

[somber sequoia]

mixamorig:Spine2 is "upper chest"

export from Blender with Apply scalings set to FBX All, then it should be reasonable.

probably uncheck the option about leaf bones under Armature too. These are in the FBX export dialog.

[glass geyser]

I did know about the lead bones option needing to be unchecked but I'll do the apply scalings too assuming it's when I export the fbx

[somber sequoia]

yup

[glass geyser]

another thing I may have found a problem on is for whatever reason when I went to edit mode to delete the "head top" bone just to be on the safe side it puts the model down there

is that something to worry about

[somber sequoia]

make sure you apply all transforms on your objects before exporting to Unity

[glass geyser]

Ok well I did that and things look good so far except it still gives the bounding box issue how do I fix that cause it's making the rating very poor

[ornate stump]

Find skinned mesh renderer component on your avatar and adjust bounds size.

[ornate stump]

And if it starts with that size then your avatar might be too big to begin with.

[unique shell]

Hey, Im working on a Generic Avatar: why does the Action Layer turn on first before the Base/Loco Layer? I can only switch to the Base Layer by going AFK

[glass geyser]

Ok well I did find it it gives me x y and z coordinates, so how would I need to change those? Or can I simply scale down my model in blender

[ornate stump]

Try reset playable layer list back to default first, then custom again.

[ornate stump]

Just scale your avatar root object.

[unique shell]

All the playable layers?

[ornate stump]

There is one button at top of the list to reset default.

[glass geyser]

Like on unity or scale the mesh in blender cause if I do that it doesn't scale the skeleton

[ornate stump]

In unity.

[unique shell]

I tried reset to default and then put back the layers again: it didnt work

[glass geyser]

Alright I made it 0.7 which puts it at a good rating I assume there's no benefit for having an excellent rating. I'll go test it and report back if there's problems in game. Thanks for the help

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the list how it actually look like?

[ornate stump]

That looks fine though?

[ornate stump]

I reread your question, what did you meant by "turn on first"?

[unique shell]

The model would not make any of the locomotion animations, it's just doing the idle standing animation, which is in the Action Layer

[ornate stump]

Check in in-game avatar debug menu and see the weight of action layer.

[unique shell]

How do I check that?

[somber sequoia]

FYI that's not humanoid, not sure if that matters fo ryou

[ornate stump]

R menu -> Options -> Avatar -> Debug

[unique shell]

ah

1st Image: Avatar standing still
2nd Image: Avatar moving forward

[unique shell]

a

[ornate stump]

Action layer weight should be default to 0 by itself. Not sure if this is an bug effect of generic rig, but that could explain so many cases of generic rig locomotion isn't working.

[ornate stump]

Solution, try adding PlayableLayerControl behavior to the default state of action layer to set action layer weight to 0.

[unique shell]

Which default state? the WaitForAction?

[ornate stump]

The orange one is default state.

[unique shell]

ah ok

It works

Thank you

[ornate stump]

Does the menu work also? I saw cases where avatar menu doesn't get load with generic rig.

[unique shell]

Menu works even before this issue

It was just me not moving out of the idle animation

[unique shell]

if thats what youre referring to

[ornate stump]

I see. They might have fixed the menu issue.

[unique shell]

Now heres a minor thing I need help with: how do I add GoLoco's Flight (or Flight in general) for PC and Quest?

[languid summit]

whats an animator?

[ornate stump]

A component to compose various animation clip, combine with various state machine to put animations onto your character and object.

[languid summit]

i mean my avi is a cube

[ornate stump]

What does the sdk say?

[ornate stump]

Do you need animation?

[languid summit]

no but theres an error that popped up

[ornate stump]

It isn't an error. Rememer: Yellow sign is a warning.

[languid summit]

well how i test to see if my avi is working

[night ember]

Go in game?

[languid summit]

smart

[ornate stump]

I didn't realize that was a question.

[languid summit]

Well it works kinda

its so huge is there a way to shrink it?

[night ember]

Scale it down in unity

[languid summit]

its currently 0.5m x 0.5m x 0.5m

[ornate stump]

The preview just zoomed in then.

[languid summit]

oh how do i zoom it out?

[ornate stump]

It's just a preview that shouldn't matter.

[languid summit]

is there a way to fix this my body keeps falling through the floor and i get stuck with half of it

[ornate stump]

You have to put a cube as a child object of avatar root instead of being an actual avatar.

[languid summit]

it could do something with the collider

[ornate stump]

This is false.

[languid summit]

how do i do this then

[ornate stump]

Create a new Cube and put it as avatar child object.

[supple bone]

is there a good way to dynamically switch between a chibi and a full sized avi without actually switching avis just as like a toggle?

[languid summit]

so Cube is Avatar and Cube 1 is child?

or do i set Cube as the parent

[ornate stump]

Yes. Except the avatar root is no longer a cube.

[languid summit]

the select children option is greyed out for me

[ornate stump]

You drag object in hierarcy to rearrange object relation.

[languid summit]

still falling through

[ornate stump]

You have to adjust position of the cube1 after that.

See a white line when selecting the avatar root, that's indicating the ground.

[ornate stump]

If you want your cube above the ground then move your cube above the white line.

[languid summit]

sorry if this is frustating

now Cube 1 is shown which is good but cube is also shown XD

time to shrink Cube

[ornate stump]

Just delete 2 mesh components of the cube.

[languid summit]

mesh Renderer?

[ornate stump]

Yes. And another component.

[languid summit]

okay thank you for helping me so much

is there a way to fix it so my camera and that isnt above the cube?

[ornate stump]

Adjust view position in avatar descriptor.

[languid summit]

Way I can’t wait till I become a cuboid

ill change the view to be 0.6m so im not looking at white when i look up

[errant locust]

Even if i were to recalculate t-pose... it says its not a humanoid rig and will not play vrchats provided animation set... but the issue im having here is both relative attatchment of bones to the skin... and lining up everything perfectly and sequencing the bones ... anybody out there ever?

it just returns to this everytime...

[ornate stump]

It seems you had wrong finger bone assigned.

[errant locust]

yeah.. i've fixed it in the past... had everything green and it was like.. nope its not a humanoid rig

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the rig menu again?

[errant locust]

rig menu?

[ornate stump]

The same menu as your previous screenshot.

[errant locust]

even fixing this.. was like .. it shat me back out to it as the same...

[ornate stump]

You will have to double check your finger bone assignment.

[errant locust]

yeah.. this will be the 6th double check.........

[junior void]

Bones just named bone is... eh

[ornate stump]

Did it still show red after you "fixed"?

[errant locust]

is it eh? or is it... mandatory?

cause im already~ on an eh

nope

[junior void]

Its harder to deal with because you get confused

[errant locust]

but as soon as i hit done.. it just returns me to here.. no matter which combo i do

[ornate stump]

Did you hit apply first though?

[errant locust]

yes

[ornate stump]

Can you show the rig after you fixed?

Before you press Done that is.

[errant locust]

no.. because i dont want to do it again lmao

it looks like shit...

[ornate stump]

That's too bad then.

[errant locust]

and the bones don;t look normal

[errant locust]

im more concerned about now, how the hell am i suppose to attatch the bones to the skin

because even if i move the bone... the skin stays in place in some places

[junior void]

attach?

[ornate stump]

It's rigging and weight painting, that should be done before importing into unity.

[supple bone]

whats the best way to 1 take my entire project and questify it and 2

[junior void]

If you see the console, there is a message that some vertives dont have weights

[errant locust]

yeah.. how do u edit that?

[junior void]

in blender, weight paint it

[errant locust]

i get that.. but ... they

're litterally not assigned to the bone LMAO

[junior void]

I think youre misunderstanding something here

[ornate stump]

That's what weight painting does.

[junior void]

yes^

weight paint (vertex groups) IS what makes mesh move with bones

[errant locust]

guys watch nothing change when i paint...

[junior void]

also know that unity will strip weights down to 4 bone weights

meaning no more than 4 bones can move one vertex

in blender, you can go to weight paint -> weights and limit total to 4, same thing

[left gull]

could also be a case of modifiers not being set before exporting

[junior void]

good point

all modifiers except armature should be taken care of before moving to unity

[ornate stump]

There is a lot of things to do to properly rig a model so better watch tutorial and follow strictly.

[errant locust]

show me the tutorial.. because youtube is littered with absolute junk... please.????

[errant locust]

crasy right?>?>

[junior void]

Using automatic weights doesnt work in 95% of cases, specifically when mesh overlaps each other, aka in between fingers, toes, bum crack and so forth. Your mesh looks extremely messy so im not surprised it doesnt cover everything

[ornate stump]

Did you even select a correct bone to paint to? What even is bone.056?

[errant locust]

thats not the point.. i need either a video or you to tell me how~ to do it manually...

[ornate stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWv9yjVaoU

[junior void]

lets note mirror might not work with bone names like that

i URGE you to name your bones right, with a trailing L/R such as "Upper Arm L" and "Wrist R" because blender uses that L/R naming for mirrors

[errant locust]

isn't that video still automatic working magically fine?

[junior void]

his mesh is clean af

it did a good base for him

but it needs edits

[errant locust]

clean as surveillance state or clean as something else?

[junior void]

clean as in his edge flow is very nice, his mesh is quads only and avoids ngons and stars, it is very organized and flows with the shape of the body

[errant locust]

you know what else flows is your mom...

[junior void]

the better shape flow you have, the better your mesh will move. imagine you have a triangle in the crotch area,. even with stellar weights there, it will move edgy

[errant locust]

i need to know how to attach the skin to the bones manually .. not "automatic wieght paint"

[junior void]

im trying to explain things here. either take it or get out of here

[errant locust]

if you're telling me i need to remodel something.. then that's not modeling.. that's just base canvasing ...

[junior void]

i am merely telling you what you can expect with messy topology. what you do with that info is not my business now is it

either way, the video explains to you how you need to click on bones and then paint when the bone is selected, that is how you "attach mesh to a bone"

[left gull]

the only thing that differs for you is that you can skip the automatic weights section since it wont work with your current mesh

[atomic plover]

Trying to make Poiyomi change color of a material with audio link, but it doesn't seem there is an audio link option in the shader for affect just the color. Am I missing something? Or is it just missing that specific functionality

[errant locust]

yeah... how

[junior void]

literally everything the dude does after the automatic weight thing starting at 0:43

[errant locust]

i mean i can look at the "automatic" video a thousand times... but if its alll for you to avoid saying to remodel your character.. to be a human.. that's fair i guess...

[junior void]

Lol

Okay I'm outta here.

[left gull]

select bones and mesh>change to weightpaint mode>select the bone you want to weightpaint>select the pen icon on the left>mess with your strength and radius settings to your liking> paint away until the mesh moves in the way you want (additonally where it says "draw" you can look through the other pen options like "subtract" , "mix" etc)

[ornate stump]

Topology doesn't mean what model is. Topology is how vertices connect to each other to form faces.

[errant locust]

ill copy this.. but man.. ... maybe for another day... just sounds like more weight painting

[left gull]

weightpainting is deff time consuming when you first learn to do it manually but after awhile you'll get the hang of it and it'll be super quick and ezpz

[errant locust]

its the parenting that needs a manual input right? and i shouldnt have to now that

know*

nobody has to know that...

its just one of those things

[left gull]

well knowing how to properly parent your stuff is important but you dont need to know how to do it for automatic weights, your mesh is likely the issue as to why it wont work since it seems like you used the deform/decimate modifier on it or something

[errant locust]

well thanks for your help...

[junior void]

youre welcome

[supple bone]

hey guys anyone know how to fix this

[wind skiff]

error tells you how to fix it

remove, upgrade or reinstall that mentioned VRC_Questifyer plugin

[hearty tree]

Im kind of new to uploading avatars and my friends aren’t necessarily available, but im trying to upload it onto quest and its giving me a message saying this

what exactly do i do ?

[ornate stump]

Assign menu file in avatar descriptor. Or reset menu assignment slot to default.

[hollow hemlock]

My friend has problem w her upload speed, is there any way to fix this ?? Usually, it took her around 1 hour to upload her avatar

[west magnet]

I'm having this weird issue where a new window of the animator opens every time I enter play mode

[junior void]

Try resetting your layout

[west magnet]

I closed the project and it fixed it, also I'm trying to set up a "Physbone_IsGrabbed" parameter but in gesture manager it won't activate it

Welp I figured it out, its because it was attached to physbone that was limited so it was overlapping it

[calm crow]

My Anakin avatar won't upload at all. I think it was due to a storage error that I got last night

[desert elk]

do you have a screenshot of the error?

[calm crow]

Yeah hold on

It was in user support

[calm crow]

For the Avatar no

[desert elk]

we can't really help if we have no way of knowing what could be wrong

[calm crow]

It was a storage error actually

I sent the thread through dms

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1332151550302355509 but here's the actual thread

[junior void]

How is your vrchat not starting related to your avatar not uploading

[calm crow]

Because I was working on Anakin while also playing VRChat which caused the error in the first place. It was a storage error as I said before and it was likely caused by me playing too much VRChat but it was then good for playing after I was done updating my computer and listening to instructions by a person who helped me restart my PC

I have a theory that might have stacked into the Avatar not being uploaded at all

[junior void]

I...

[desert elk]

Don't.

[calm crow]

Okay

[calm crow]

I sent it here too, sorry Eliot

[calm crow]

You? You don't know what to say? What were you going to tell me?

[desert elk]

I doubt that's what happened

[calm crow]

I have reason to suspect that's what happened

But I want to hear you out

What do you think happened?

[desert elk]

I don't know, but I've never SDK crash because of playing VRChat

[calm crow]

I'm guessing it crashed because of too many textures

Either way what causes the SDK to crash?

[balmy barn]

can you be more vague and just show the error , for all i know you could be running out of space or isp flaky

[calm crow]

I would if I could but unfortunately I'm not at my apartment. It works fine for other avatars but it didn't work well for Anakin because there's too many textures in the folder and a lot of them are 8k, not all of them but the majority of them are HD

[calm crow]

It was running out of space because of too many projects/textures

I could be wrong about that too

[calm crow]

What do you think caused it to crash?

I don't have as much evidence of it as I'm not at my apartment but I feel like my theory could be close

[warm bison]

Is there any way to implement curly hair in VRchat?
A friend asked me for help, and I was able to do this with blender, but when it comes to putting it in unity the model will be very heavy

[mossy kayak]

so is there a guide to where exactly i'm supposed to place the avatar viewport if i'm having the issue of the character floating when looking down? i keep seeing people say "move the viewport" but theres no guide to where exactly it should be placed. i have a character with a rather large head as well

[somber sequoia]

right between the eyes, a little in front of center

[left gull]

floating can also be because your model's feet arent flat/directly touching the floor iirc

[mossy kayak]

it only happens in vr, not desktop

[mossy kayak]

doesn't answer my question. the character has a large head so between the eyes would be wayyy forward. which is what i see people sayiung the cause is. like how far forward from the head bone should it be? also, does the head bone size matter?

[lilac musk]

The viewport becomes the point of rotation. So if its forward from the spine, then a player looks down, it will pull up on the spine. This can be helped by moving it back further to get closer to the spine.

[somber sequoia]

ok then center of the head bone, but slightly forward

[mossy kayak]

alright this is helpful, thanks

[somber sequoia]

beyond that, it really depends on your model, you'll have to experiment a bit

[lilac musk]

^

[void kettle]

Don’t care if it’s a link or the files but if there’s gogoloco 2019 may I have it?

[left gull]

file sharing isnt permitted here so it'd need to be a link :P

[void kettle]

Alright ty for letting me know!

[languid summit]

for some reason my avitar doesnt have the ears

[unique shell]

Hey, is there a way for a Generic Avatar to fly for both PC and Quest?

[lilac musk]

If you mean like other avatars out there that fly, Gogoloco will get you this

[manic grotto]

I think I might be missing something about the way animations work.
WD Off for both underlined anims at the moment
The anims underlined each are responsible for one of those rows in the second screenshot.

• DissolveInPants animates the second bar from 1 - 0
• DissolveInShirt animates the first bar from 1 - 0.
  The first anim works correctly, but I want the end of the animation to keep the value as it was when it is finished.
  For some reason the second animation, while not touching/animating the previous row at all, resets both values back to 1.
  Hopefully that makes sense. One animation is resetting the progress/values of another for some reason
  Am I missing something?

[unique shell]

Generic avis work for GoLoco Flight?

[lilac musk]

Oh I wasn't catching on what you ment by generic. However now that I think of that, I don't see why they wouldn't. The way the flight systems work is by simply adding a collider under the avatar. That way the avatar "stands" on itself, thus making it float. I'd imagine this should still work with a generic avatar as they don't change the collisions. I'd say just give it a try and see

[stoic stag]

I am helping a friend with an avatar. Uploading for pc was no problem but when I upload to android it does upload but when my friend check the website it says it's pc only.

[whole matrix]

has anyone had this issue when trying to upload and avi? Unity is totally fine and says upload successful si I'm just confused

[desert elk]

did you use the same blueprint id?

[solar wasp]

here the icon is for the Aviators how can I actually make it for the first menu "Glasses"?

[wraith geyser]

hello, to fit in the 10mb limit for quest i used mesh compression low, but it broke my thumbs, any idea why and how to fix it please?

[night ember]

Blender

[wraith geyser]

can you be more precise please, because in blender it looks fine, in unity too, as long as i dont click the mesh compression in unity

[balmy barn]

edge loops/retopology , remove vertices you never need , remove blendshapes not needed ectect , hours of work 👍 some random pc avatar sloppilly made in unity with added meshes going to have a fun time fitting 10mb , never touched mesh compression on a fbx before

[desert elk]

I didn't even know that was a thing, always blender

[wraith geyser]

i discovered not long time ago and it used to work pretty well, as long as u stick to low compression

[balmy barn]

my fbx's rarely ever go above 10mb (thats a pc 47k one , would be waaay lower)

[sick tusk]

My avatars are half inside the floor how do I fix that? I have 2d avatars btw

I use unity btw

[balmy barn]

check origin, if line near feet its okey, middle = sink

[desert elk]

I'd assume you need to change the origin to the bottom of the png

[sick tusk]

Oh thanks

[balmy barn]

laziest way to move it, use a gameobject as root then put things in it

[sick tusk]

Uhh my image is connected to origin how do I unconnect it

I'll just remove planes from origin

[fading python]

Sorry to bother here but I’m trying to upload my quest avi that I got from booth and it’s giving me this 😭

[solar wasp]

here the icon is for the Aviators how can I actually make it for the first menu "Glasses"?

[desert elk]

you need to set the rig as humanoid (assuming that your Avi is humanoid) and it will automatically add an animator

[balmy barn]

if you go it from booth there should be a scene to open also 0 triangles is fail 👍

[desert elk]

oh I did not even see the 0 tris xd

good eye

[fading python]

Now it’s telling me this

[desert elk]

did you open the scene? the 0 tris do seem suspicious

[fading python]

Wait where is that?

[desert elk]

in your assets

[spark walrus]

Is it possible to use vrchat sdk on a mac in order to upload and modify avatars?

[fading python]

Is 0 tris a problem or sum?

[desert elk]

that means your avatar doesn't exist

at least in the hierarchy

[fading python]

It’s there 🤷

I’ll try the other version hold on

[desert elk]

the least tris I've seen is 4 so 0 is definitely an achievement

[fading python]

Haha nevermind I fixed it lol

I had the preview for the avatar open not the avatar itself

That’s why it wasn’t showing

There goes my 3 hours of confusion

[desert elk]

haha

okay

good thing you figured it out

[fading python]

Yeah mb first time using unity

[desert elk]

if you still have the issues with the bone mapping you need to go to the configure section in the rig menu and put the correct bones in the correct places

[west cipher]

really need assistance. ive done everything to make this avatar work within mmd worlds. it has all the correct visemes, write defaults are all set to on, but the mouth just wont move in game

[desert elk]

are the visemes in Japanese?

mmd worlds are mostly Japanese so they use Japanese visemes

[balmy barn]

unless you see the animation blendshapes you dont know if its translated / orginal blends or both (not hard to do just add another layer with the translated one it wont really do much unless your av have it, motion is the largest size vs blends )

exsample of a translated blend layer

[west cipher]

i do have them in japanese, i even used the mmd import blender tool to make sure i had the spelling correct

[balmy barn]

2nd one do you have tracking control set , Seated = animation

stations cannot set this to my knowledge (wish they could) this setting will animate everything

empty station vs one that use a controller, breaks shit

[cinder frost]

I actually have seen it before where a model in its entirety was generated by a shader so the SDK did say it had 0 tris. Still had to be one edge though because a single vertex has no inherent size

[west cipher]

im sorry im fairly new to unity, where would i check for that?

[whole matrix]

Anyone know how I can fix this

[balmy barn]

Special / Sitting controller usually sets that (can be anywhere really , made a toggle for mine so i can ..somewhat use a seat without a controller ) , if you are using gogo loco im not using it so no idea

[west cipher]

ah, i am using gogo, but ive used plenty of avis that has gogo and can work with mmd?

[balmy barn]

you can check ingame if its animated in debug

if it looks like this it failed (default vrchat sitting controller)

[sick tusk]

Making 2D avatars is easy, you just get a plane, rotate it 90 degrees on X, then you add a toon shader then image then copy, then add origin and then camera

[west cipher]

this is what it says

[balmy barn]

sit on a station it changes

if you use vrcfury blendshape optimizer expect to loose all of the shapekeys it need for a station/mmd seat using a controller

[west cipher]

nope i made sure i wasnt using the optimizer

[balmy barn]

yeh i dont touch gogo loco so beats me there

can make those myself

[west cipher]

but why would gogo be making the visemes not work?

[mental estuary]

Have you tried VRCFury's MMD Compatibility component? It has a bunch of fixes to make things compatible as MMD worlds can do weird things with animator layers

It also allows you to use Blendshape Optimiser without losing the MMD blendshapes

[west cipher]

i havent! i'll try that real quick

[west cipher]

definitely did not work

[mental estuary]

Then I'd start with removing Gogoloco and seeing if that fixes it. If it doesn't then go to VRCFury's server and say that the MMD Compatibility component didn't work and they'll help debug and potentially add more fixes to it

Otherwise it's probably something on that specific avatar

[balmy barn]

you on open beta ?, one of my older test world its mmd/dance thing doesnt move mouth anymore for me, testing if it need a update (extremely slow) its kinda old world, cause i know the controller does affect av in unity fixed

[west cipher]

not on the open beta, and getting rid of gogo did not work 😦 not sure what the problem can be, it has a normal fx set up, with nothing that would interact with the face

[somber sequoia]

disable (by weight) each FX layer one at a time until you find the culprit?