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[ornate stump]

Did you look here? #1139228456090087495 message

[delicate tide]

Oh so it was on a different channel lol

Thanks

[past kettle]

Hey all, so having gotten the ability to upload avatars, I ran into a new issue. My friend (Who is on a Quest) reports seeing my avatar broken (Missing/miscolored regions, super low res, etc). Is this because I need to build a version specifically for the quest as well?

[junior void]

likely yes

[crystal kernel]

yeah most avatar creators have quest specific builds

[junior void]

if you generated an impostor, but didnt upload a quest vesion, thats what they see

[past kettle]

I did neither

[junior void]

then they will see a fallback

[past kettle]

The avi I have has 2 versions, a PC version and a Quest version (according to Unity). Do I need to change build settings to upload the Quest version?

[desert elk]

sometimes impostors generate automatically

yes, you need to switch it to android and attach the same avatar id

[past kettle]

That's what I was thinking but wanted to see if maybe I botched something somewhere

My PC really doesn't agree with building avis, given it takes about 10 minutes and the machine locks up randomly whilst building is in progress

Hmm, when I select Android it says AndroidPlayer is disabled, even though I enabled the Android platform when I installed Unity (which Unity even says I did)

[desert elk]

huh that's odd

[past kettle]

Double hmm, Android is greyed out in the Unity Build Settings (Ctrl+Shift+B)

[desert elk]

maybe try adding the android package again, but manually.

[past kettle]

I just did, no dice

[timber wharf]

@past kettle #avatar-help message

try

[past kettle]

That's what I did, but I think I might've done a stupid

[ornate stump]

Can you check unity installation path in vcc?

[past kettle]

I found out my issue

[desert elk]

what was it? in case somebody else has that problem

[past kettle]

Either all it took was restarting Unity again, or it was because I removed the -x86_64 from the end of the install path for the android tools

[crystal kernel]

why are the animations like... not playing, is on_enter too fast for unity animations?

[light lark]

I did "the it crowd" thing and it's working fine now

https://tenor.com/view/hello-it-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-telephone-on-call-gif-15495555

Turning Unity off and on hehe

[ornate stump]

I did not understand what that is but good for you to make it work.

[delicate tide]

Alright so I just started a new project in 2022.3.22f1 and everything is so different. I have so many questions, but I guess I'll start with a simple one for now: How do I change the AFK animation?

[fallow gulch]

If you are talking about a contact being set to OnEnter, then that is quite fast. It only activates for 1 single frame

[delicate tide]

Basically I got a model from a unitypackage and its action controller is defaulted to GoLocoAction 1, which is set up completely differently from sippbox's tutorials which were my go-tos back in the day

[crystal kernel]

yeah i know but i need the velocity detection

[timber wharf]

set exit time to 1 for return

[fallow gulch]

You'd have to look for the AFK section in the action controller
There are several animation states, where you'd have to replace the animation.
The square shaped states are just that.. normal states
However, the diamond shaped states are sub-state machines, which contains more states
So you'll have to navigate those to find the AFK section

[crystal kernel]

i have that

it just doesnt detect the frame perfect bool changes

[timber wharf]

show layer

[timber wharf]

you dont want exit time on idle

you want it on return to idle

[crystal kernel]

already removed that

[timber wharf]

well for test mute transitions back to idle

[crystal kernel]

yeah it wont activate at all

bools be too fast

they really need to add it so you can disable the on-enter being 0 when not above the velocity

[timber wharf]

theyre not, one frame is plenty

[crystal kernel]

why is the transition so horribly inconsistent

its like im rolling a dice but i have 10% chance of making it through the transition

[hard turtle]

ik ive posted this lad here before but i did edits on the eyes and im pretty happy with him now

woops

wrong chann

[crystal kernel]

[delicate tide]

Yeah I noticed that. There seems to be miles and miles of folders now.

As a matter of fact, I may just remove gogoloco from it. It was gonna be a private avatar anyways, and I already have FBT so…

[fallow gulch]

GoGo is still helpful for enabling / disabling loco animations, if you want to do that for ex.

[hard turtle]

anyone got tips for coming up with new critters or creatures or just anything for character design for when i finally decide to make my next lad would be nice :)

[crystal kernel]

@timber wharf look how slow the animator detects the bool, no wonder on_enter isnt working

[fallow gulch]

Find something that you haven't done before
New creature + new theme?

[night ember]

They will always transition if the transition is actually even seen to begin with
Even if its 1 frame itll still transition

[crystal kernel]

then why when i slap the ball nothing happens

i understand that "it should work" but it clearly isnt

[coarse dove]

Can someone give me the link to the vrm importer if you have it

[balmy dove]

Does anyone know how to solve it? the avatar has his head screwed up and his arms up in the air

[desert elk]

for blender or unity?

well, I can drop both
blender https://vrm-addon-for-blender.info/en/
unity https://github.com/vrm-c/UniVRM

[coarse dove]

Thank you

[crystal kernel]

my poiyomi shader with audiolink disappears

[ornate stump]

Are you sure it didn't get moved somewhere else?

[crystal kernel]

well its working once i re-import the audiolink prefab and detach the sphere

[ornate stump]

The audiolink object got moved somewhere else so your sphere went with it because it was audiolink child object.

The warning in transform component suggested it got moved.

[crystal kernel]

hm

odd

i found the solution tho

[ornate stump]

I'm explaining what actually happened and why your solution worked.

[crystal kernel]

oh lol

[hard turtle]

if i wanna sell an avatar on gumroad but i take pictures of the avatar in an instance which i didnt create can that avatar's listing on gumroad get taken down?
even though im not advertising the instance im just using it to take pictures of said avatar?

[left gull]

Depends on the creator of the model and if the focus of the photo is mainly on said model

you could always just crop/edit the image (maybe with blur on the face atleast?) if you're worried

[grizzled dock]

how do I make an avatar invisible in the mirrors?

[ornate stump]

Use shader that has an option relates to VRC Mirror.

[grizzled dock]

do poiyomi or liltoon have this option?

[ornate stump]

Poiyomi do. Can't remember about lil

[grizzled dock]

thank you, found it!

[reef cove]

What are some good phys bone values for a long chain of bones? When there's too many bones, regular values look completely wrong, and the moment gets weird

[fallow gulch]

Physbones don't seem to play nicely with bone chains that are too long
You could try higher values, but I don't think it would work as well as having fewer bones

[reef cove]

Aww, I see. Wish there was a setting to ignore every second bone in the chain

[fallow gulch]

Yeah, sadly that's not a thing :
You gotta fix the bone chain in Blender

[reef cove]

Damn, well, thanks anyway!

[fallow gulch]

No problemo

[little sun]

I'm looking for options for my avatar to move insanely fast with decent control. Gogo loco does not provide this. It's typically a launch forward option. Right now Im using a collider I toggle on and off to rocket my self forward, but its just flinging me forward.

Is there something out there can just greatly increase movement speed in someway?

[sacred jetty]

how doe sphysbones angle limit work? Everytime I mess with it, it feels like it fdoes nothing.

tryna prevent tail and hair from clipping during movement

[somber sequoia]

the collider method is the only real way of doing this.

[little sun]

anyways to maximize speed?

or suggestions?

[somber sequoia]

... I kinda figured my answer was pretty clear?

[next yew]

my avatar appears a little shinier then i want it to be in some worlds, the textures look all discolored and strange compared to how it is in unity. is there any way to stop that or does it depend on the world im in and the shaders it uses?

[little sun]

You definitely clarifed that the colliders were the only way to do that, but I was following up and asking if there was a way to use them that works the best.

[prisma thunder]

For some reason, the avatars that I upload are just floating below me.

[little sun]

Question: I've noticed that colliders, depending on how they are positioned on your avatar and their angle affect how flight colliders work. I am looking to find an optimized setup for forward momentum on animation release to propel yourself forward. Gogo loco has amazing capability of doing this but near zero control and a lot of required menuing.

My current set up involves using a hand gesture to toggle the collider on and off while jumping to push me through the collider. It's angled up slightly and encompasses half my body.

Does anyone have any suggestions on colliders to provide the most "push forward" capability?

[somber sequoia]

what about gogo loco doesn't work how you want it to?

[little sun]

I want better control

and to set it up myself

[raven orbit]

unlit shader still applies a color to match the environment you're in, if that's what you mean by "discolored." I'm not sure what you mean by "shinier," but if this happens to be the model you removed normals on, i've noticed that sometimes that setting tends to make the lighting change based on the direction you're facing rather than just where you're standing. However, i've only tested this with standard lite, so it may affect the unlit shader differently

[little sun]

You also have to constantly open a radial menu

[somber sequoia]

oh so setup whatever triggers you want

I actually have mine triggering on when I do a T-pose and make fist gestures

[raven orbit]

you can modify gogo's animators to work how you want it to. would be easier than doing it from scratch

[little sun]

i do not use vrcfury for trigger, vrcfury tends to cause a lot of headaches

triggers*

[somber sequoia]

nobody said fury here.

[little sun]

I was told gogoloco was installed using vrcfury

ive only ever used avatars with gogoloco on them

[somber sequoia]

sure, you can if you want. I install it manually.

[raven orbit]

i never use fury for gogoloco

[little sun]

not set up my own

[raven orbit]

i just got it from the gumroad and add the animators manually

[somber sequoia]

at this point I just strip it down to only the flight part

but anyway, how do you want this setup?

[little sun]

Im looking to construct it like a boost forward via hand gesture

which ive done with my own very basic set up, but I was looking for more forward momentum

so i can easily toggle between flight and no flight in the moment

[somber sequoia]

you'd still need to get into flight mode for that to work, but it's totally doable, just trigger the fast mode and crank up the speed

[little sun]

I dont want flight mode to be an always on thing

i will tear into gogo loco and see how it functions then

[somber sequoia]

you can't do a boost without being on a collider

hmm I guess technically that'd work if you left it on

[little sun]

So i gesture, angled cube collider appears from floor to waist height, upon release it launches me forward by being pushed out of cube

so basically i briefly toggle on a cube collider and it acts like im getting pushed through a plane

and It launches me

[somber sequoia]

Basically but you have to jump to be affected by it

[little sun]

correct

I was looking for a way to optimize that method for more speed

[somber sequoia]

crank up the animation speed of the collider

it already supports this

[little sun]

Its a single animation frame

the collider isnt moving, its pushing me out of its bounds

[somber sequoia]

I'm referring to gogo loco

[void kettle]

how do i add gogoloco to a avatar? 😭

[somber sequoia]

did you read the documentation?

[little sun]

i will take a look at gogoloco, but my understanding you are always off the ground

[raven orbit]

add gogo's animators to your playable layers

[somber sequoia]

when flying you're always on a collider but it's not necessarily off the ground

[void kettle]

ya i add it to the left but it doesnt show up in the meun

[raven orbit]

you have to add the submenu to your menu

[somber sequoia]

you can just use the vrc fury prefab, if that works better for you

[void kettle]

how do i do that? 😭

[little sun]

Yeah gogoloco doesn't give me what im looking for. It doesn't provide forward moementum but instead carries you forward. I was was looking for a means to launch myself

[lament wasp]

im getting Getting control 1's position in a group with only 1 controls when doing repaint Aborting when trying to upload my avatar i dont know what to do im confused helppppppppppppp

[raven orbit]

maybe google a bit more about avatar creation and watch some tutorials

[somber sequoia]

that's usually a side-effect error, post the first 2-3 error messages here.

[somber sequoia]

It's about the best you can do really

[lament wasp]

ArgumentException: Getting control 1's position in a group with only 1 controls when doing repaint
Aborting
UnityEngine.GUILayoutGroup.GetNext () (at <344226e341014466b33f0c0fa34fcef5>:0)
UnityEngine.GUILayoutUtility.BeginLayoutGroup (UnityEngine.GUIStyle style, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options, System.Type layoutType) (at <344226e341014466b33f0c0fa34fcef5>:0)

what like this stuff

[lament wasp]

these error messages?

[little sun]

was hoping there was a way to slingshot yourself forward with a 1 frame animation after jumping. While I can do that i just want more speed

[lament wasp]

idk if i can even upload it im on a mac

[fringe sleet]

I gave my avatar cloth physics and I used a floor collider for the gown but every time I ump my avi spins like crazyyyyyy!! I included my collider settings here as well. Any ideas?

[somber sequoia]

the first 2-3 in your console, at the top.

[somber sequoia]

should be able to

[fringe sleet]

Sorry that video was broken

[lament wasp]

its the same error

[somber sequoia]

those are the very first (top) errors? there is nothing more above?

[lament wasp]

nope

just that error

[somber sequoia]

did you try restarting unity?

[lament wasp]

oh

maybe i should

its on 2019 unity

its a 2019 avatar

is that a problem or

[somber sequoia]

you can't use the latest VRC SDK on 2019... I'd just upgrade.

[lament wasp]

so can i use a 2019 avi on 2022?

[lament wasp]

can i use older sdk

[somber sequoia]

older than...?

[lament wasp]

did i just spend 75 dollars on something i cant upload

[lament wasp]

like a older sdk

that works with the 2019 one

[somber sequoia]

oh - yes, but I don't see a good reason to.

[lament wasp]

ah

so is there any way i can upload this with 2019 unity

[somber sequoia]

probably - try restarting first

(I'd just upgrade, personally)

[lament wasp]

okkkkkkkkkkk

so just restart my pc

or unity

just like task manager it out right?

[somber sequoia]

I don't use Windows, can't help you there, but I meant close and re-open Unity.

[lament wasp]

alr

@somber sequoia , could i use my avatar in a 2022 unity? if its made for 2019?

[somber sequoia]

yes

[lament wasp]

oh

ok

[raven orbit]

colliders push your avatar when it's not grounded (aka when you jump or fall.) If by cloth physics you mean cloth simulation, i would suggest using physbones instead because they have better performance

[lament wasp]

thanksssssssssssss

[fringe sleet]

I understand the optimization yes however the specific look I'm going for requires the train to fall and swish on the ground something that only cloth physics can really do

[fringe sleet]

For example

[somber sequoia]

unity cloth physics is pretty janky and seriously unperformant

[balmy barn]

cloth is local, what you see 100% not what others do

physbone can easy interact with 'ground'

wouldnt mind some better stuff for skirts'n stuff but we dont got it, cause long ones are a pain

[somber sequoia]

I'd love to have Magica Cloth

[raven orbit]

assuming anyone else even shows the avatar that's giving them 3 fps

[fringe sleet]

Right but everyone does see me turn into a beyblade when I run over a bump lol

My models are actually not heavy at all even with the cloth physics

[raven orbit]

for you maybe

[fringe sleet]

I'm running integrated graphics

If it was heavy it would be for me too

[balmy barn]

'doesnt lag for me' bad excuse , you affect others and everyone else in room add up

reason why its limits are very low

[shrewd mason]

Hello!! Im new here

[fringe sleet]

Bro all I asked was for help with a floor collider why are y'all on me for how I do my phisics

[balmy barn]

seen so many cloths just stuck on avatar colliders , turn away and back they flail around cause bounding boxes

[somber sequoia]

because we're trying to tell you what works well and what doesn't

[raven orbit]

because the way you're doing physics is also causing the issue that you asked about

[somber sequoia]

using unity colliders in vrchat doesn't work well on avatars

[shrewd mason]

Does anyone want to help me with making an avatar

[balmy barn]

enable colliders and move around you see they lag behind your avatar 'bleh'

[fringe sleet]

So ust fuck the floor collider completely

[balmy barn]

floor collider is different cause its infinite , its those capsules

[raven orbit]

||thulen already mentioned that physbones can interact with the 'ground'|| *i probably misunderstood the statement lmao

yeah actually this conversation is probably heading towards a level of avatar creation that's gonna go right over my head. I'm out ✌️

[main island]

Have been working out an avatar i was willing to give Creator companion a try! However the avatar that i am developing requires a vast selection of images for it to happen. Could someone maybe give me tips or a application like "Poyiomi shaders" that can sort this issue easier?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understand the "issue"

[main island]

The issue is. I'm trying to look for an application that is capable of making the goal happen

[somber sequoia]

yes, I get that, but what is the goal?

[main island]

making the avi have a flip book or a side scrolling of images to be displayed so it could be selected independently.

[void kettle]

what do i do?

[somber sequoia]

ahh. Sure, Poiyomi shader can do flipbooks

[main island]

Alright

[teal field]

help why has the texture gone weird in unity

[ornate stump]

It isn't about texture, rather it's surface normals. Try enable lagacy blendshape normals for the fbx file.

[somber sequoia]

also make sure you're using the right normals file, and it's OpenGL format

[hybrid iron]

got a question about armatures and bone positionning. I notice that when i'm coming out of a walking animation my legs are properly positionned but after a second they move forward slightly and it looks like i'm crouching. This is the blender , Unity and Vrc comparative.

[balmy barn]

that page host stolen content and ripped stuff, dont expect help with those here

[frigid knoll]

have this error, i dont use vrchats own ones, but the unity ones, as most tools still use

i checked my model 4 times

there is no VRCParentConstraints on it

[thorn marsh]

wut does this mean?

[somber sequoia]

The first layer in the gesture animator needs a mask

[thorn marsh]

which is like..where 😅

idk how to fix

[somber sequoia]

Find the gesture animator, and click the gear on the first layer, and add a mask. I'm not sure what that layer does on your avatar, so not sure what the mask should do

[shrewd mason]

Can anyone help me with making an avatar

I dont know how to

[thorn marsh]

yea...which layer
cause the first one is all hands

nvm got it

[frigid knoll]

and restarting unity fixed my issue

well..

restarting... (unity crashing)

[spark walrus]

CC claims that this avatar does not have animator, despite the rig being humanoid + adding "animator" component the avi already containing one 🙃

[junior void]

Is the animator on the root though

[prisma thunder]

^

[spark walrus]

it might not be - idk how I put it there

it's a premade base

[junior void]

Well, thats where the sdk will look bc it belongs there

[spark walrus]

I honestly don't know what I'm suppose to do here

[junior void]

Easiest would be if you find the animator and screenshot the whole view. Dont crop it, we need to see its location

Unless you want tedious text explanations

[spark walrus]

this one?

[balmy barn]

animator & vrchat descriptor both go on root of your avatar

[spark walrus]

alright - that fix that problem. Thank you!

Anyone knows how can i upload my same avatar but not update the version?

[somber sequoia]

pretty sure you can't, why would you need to?

[spark walrus]

Im trying to do some pretty big changes but i dont want to save it on that same version

[somber sequoia]

ohhhh

detach the blueprint ID and it's a new avatar.

[somber meadow]

Detach the blueprint id in the pipeline manager component under the avatar descriptor

[somber sequoia]

I misunderstood what you were after

[spark walrus]

Mhm Tysm Both!! x3

[cerulean crystal]

Hello!! I am currently working on getting a certain hairstyle to work on my Mayu avatar, but i am struggling to get the physbones to cooperate with me... Ive tried a number of different things to fix this including following the provided documentation included with the hair prefab. The asset im using is the Punk Hair for Regulus, which should feasibly work on this avi :< any help would be appreciated ;;

[desert elk]

maybe show your physbone settings?

[junior void]

Thatd help

[cerulean crystal]

gotcha! one sec

these are the current settings im using, and heres the settings it suggests:

⬇️ came with the asset

grabbing and poses were turned off at suggestion of another user

[young nacelle]

bases rim lighting shouldnt look like this its more spread out i dont know how to fix it if its a blender or unity thing im stumped

[cinder turtle]

I got hit with one of these. Does anybody know how to fix this?

[spark walrus]

Why is the bone/physbone not working properly

[elfin tartan]

wtf do i do i just wanna have my simple oc as my vrchat avatar

[balmy barn]

need more bones for it to be humanoid , (ignore eye and fingerbones)

[elfin tartan]

oh

ig i cant use it as my avatar then

[raven orbit]

you can have bones without weight

[somber sequoia]

you can, you just need to make more bones. You don't have to weight them, yeah.

[elfin tartan]

OHHH

[elfin tartan]

does it need finger bones

oh

i didnt read ut

it

[raven orbit]

add end point position (on y), set multi child type to average (or something other than ignore)

[spark walrus]

I did it is set as average in the pic I sent

But it still doesnt look right

[raven orbit]

oh mb🤔

the end point then

[spark walrus]

And idk why the root is showing up as a physbone

I dont think any other root has done rthat before

[raven orbit]

because the multichild type is set the average, the root becomed a physbone too

[spark walrus]

Oh i see

Yea the endpoint only comes out of the hanging parts

the earrings

[raven orbit]

i don't think you can ignore the root bone either, because it would ignore every child of that 😦

[spark walrus]

This has to be a unity problem?

I mean blender

[raven orbit]

if you want to restructure the bone hierarchy, then it would be a blender problem

[spark walrus]

Should i? Idk how I can make this work

[raven orbit]

if you have multi child type set to ignore, you can add a root bone for the earrings and parent it to the the last ear bone. that way, the ear bone has one child, and since it will have multiple children, it will not act like a physbone, but it's children will, so the earrings will appear as though they are parented to the ear bone. the new root bone should start at the end of the ear bone in blender, so you can just extrude it from there.

though i don't see why this setup wouldn't work as it is as long as end point position and multi child type are set

[spark walrus]

I really just want to figure out how to fix it withuot having to do loopholes

Idk why its not working either

[raven orbit]

is seems the second bone is indeed there, but just angled differently than in blender

wait, i get it. its end point is being placed between the earrings

[elfin tartan]

i give up

making a literal simple avatar is impossible

[raven orbit]

it's not impossible

remember that you have to configure the mapping after importing it into unity

[cerulean crystal]

i think i found one of my issues, how do i change the bounding boxes on this? they should be set up correctly on unity's side.

[west pollen]

hi !! does anyone know why my model is moving into the ground like this ? :( its happening in game just like this

[somber sequoia]

if it's at 0,0,0 in Unity then the origin point of the model must not be at the model's feet, which you'll have to fix in Blender or similar

[west pollen]

is this the origin point ? if so then its where i usually place it (just a little below the feet bc if any higher my models feet appear in the ground)

[somber sequoia]

yeah that ought to be right then. Got any un-applied transforms?

That thingy you have circled though is the 3D cursor, you'd need to make sure the object's origin (teeeeeeeny orange dot) is there.

you can probably see if it's weird in the 'Item' tab of the little 'n' popup on the side of the main view in Blender - in Transform the location should be 0,0,0 and scale should be 1

[west pollen]

my dot might be pink is that it ?

[somber sequoia]

probably that

[west pollen]

okay, yeah it's right below the feet

[spark walrus]

So what can I do

[raven orbit]

either do what i suggested earlier or see if it works as it is. If you test it and the movement looks fine then you probably don't need to change it

honestly I think it should work fine as it is

[tranquil niche]

hey, is making an avatar prop that other players can grab as simple as setting up contacts to detect the fist gesture?

or would there be something more that i'd have to do to have another player grab it?

[raven orbit]

unfortunately you can't detect other user's gestures

[somber sequoia]

you can't detect other people's gestures

[tranquil niche]

I see...

hmmmm

[raven orbit]

other players can grab physbones, so props that can be used by other players usually use that

[mortal nymph]

Does anybody have the emo emo bunny, boy avatar?

[somber sequoia]

#1138520828556890214

[tranquil niche]

I've tried physbones but i think i'm just too dumb for it at this point and i can't very reliably use it with rigidbody

[somber sequoia]

rigid bodies on avatars are pretty janky - there are a few prefabs that have worked around some of the issues and made item systems, such as https://github.com/sophia1000/Sophias-item-and-weapon-pickup-systems-for-vrchat

[raven orbit]

yeah i don't know how well physbones actually work for this either, i dont know if other users can even rotate the prop properly with that kind of system, but i've also never set one up like that myself

[tranquil niche]

I found two things that were quite interesting and i'd like to give a shot, but I think they are just a tad bit complicated for me to dissect

[somber sequoia]

if you really want to try rigid body stuff, VRLabs has a prefab you could try out

[tranquil niche]

i tested both and they seem to work

but i found this

https://github.com/VRLabs/Rigidbody-Throw

[somber sequoia]

yep, that's the one I was thinking of

[tranquil niche]

and this https://github.com/ThatFatKidsMom/Avatar-Prop

[somber sequoia]

and that's another, yep

That one is similar to Sophia's which I linked

[tranquil niche]

my brain just isn't smart enough to dissect them both and put what i like about both of them together

i'd love for the physics to work like the VRLabs one, but it does not let other players pick up the object

and the other one is nice because it DOES let other people pick up the prop, but it also just leaves the prop floating in mid-air

[elfin tartan]

)p)o oop

,

, $oops

[somber sequoia]

yep, I haven't seen one that gets you both rigid body physics and pickup

[elfin tartan]

i accidently flipped my keyboard over

[tranquil niche]

now, i could be wrong, but the solution Neiryl started to provide me, seemed like it was just an animation that drops the shoe to my avatars ground/floor level? but i really should ask to clarify.

[raven orbit]

yeah... i have a habit of trying to make quest compatible systems

i realized it probably isn't what you'd want for your avatar

[desert elk]

it's a good habit tbh

i'm so used to quest i also just think of ways to make stuff quest compatible all the time

[raven orbit]

also cause i just don't know how to use rigidbodies period Dx

[tranquil niche]

I mean, i would like anything that works, but wanted to see if i could be a little more independent first, though it seems i've also just defeated the whole purpose of that by downloading things off of github soooooo

[raven orbit]

i download a lot of things off github/gumroad to at least see how they work

[tranquil niche]

I did a test here with the VRLabs rigidbody throw and after doing this my brain just tells me something along the lines of "ohhhh come on, look! it's so perfect! all you have to do is the miniscule task of making it grabbable by another player!" when it's not that easy in the slightest

[somber sequoia]

nice, that works well

[tranquil niche]

Yeah, but alas, figuring out how to make it grabbable seems like an impossibility, like... maybe if i understood rigidbodies, joints, and particle stuff a little more, but i've already gone insane watching a zillion tutorials with and without VRChat as a basis for said tutorial videos and it just can't seem to help me figure out what needs to be done with hierarchy, where constraints need to go (If i even need any), where to add physbones in the hierarchy, (and what settings to use to make it follow a remote player's hands, ect. ect.)

[raven orbit]

maybe a physbone component can be added to an object parented to the rigidbody, and the asset can be parented to the end of the physbone (or switch to it via parent costraint when grabbed)

though that would leave the rigid body in some random location so idk

[tranquil niche]

well, i mean even that would be a start, i think the closest i've got is having someone be able to grab it, and rotate it, but not move it

This is what i'm looking at

There's also an empty game object called "Throw Target" that's parented to my hands

*hand

I've tried putting a physbone on couple of these (can't even remember which ones anymore) but what would be your first instinct

mine is just the first object that's parented to the rigid, so force particle

[raven orbit]

i would try to put a physbone in an emtpy that's parented to the container, maybe

[tranquil niche]

So with that done, if i recall correctly, I now need to go here and set pose to false, keep grabbable at true, make stretch infinite, set grab value to 1, and uhhhh

well, this is interesting the collider won't show when i change it's size

oh, none of my contacts anywhere are showing up and pressing that globe thing isn't fixing it either

[raven orbit]

yeah if it's on a single empty it has no length by default, you can set the endpoint position though

on the physbone i mean

[tranquil niche]

I see, i'll do that though would you know why nothing else is showing?

well it does show after i enter playmode

and it's just fixed now

or not

there we are, collider has been setup

does the rest of this all seem in order?

[raven orbit]

probably, though i'm not 100% sure on what the next steps would be

[inland seal]

All avatar contacts broke and also I cant touch other people. If I change avatar to other one it will work.

[tranquil niche]

Huh, I did just find this https://justsleightly.gumroad.com/l/ThrowaBall

It says it can be picked up by other players too!

[ruby summit]

could someone help me and tell me how to unlock a shader in unity? im trying to export my avatar to vrm but it doesnt support poiyomi

[tranquil niche]

I might have to spend the $7 on that

[raven orbit]

probably have to extract the materials from the fbx (i don't remember how to do that off the top of my head)

[ruby summit]

ill just duplicate the materials

nice now im white

ok fixed it again

[clear egret]

chat im i cooked 😭

[raven orbit]

make sure everything is parented correctly in blender (and name your bones!)

[clear egret]

i SUCK at using blender

😭

i only exported the model and it came out like this

and i put it in unity ofc

[raven orbit]

If you got this model from online, you've bought/downloaded a rig that was made specifically for animation in blender. Those don't work well when exporting to unity

[clear egret]

So

what do i do now?

[clear egret]

Yeah lol this is what happened

[raven orbit]

watch blender tutorials for a week straight

or more

[desert elk]

you need to parent the bones properly

[clear egret]

i dont think thats all 😭

[clear egret]

WHAT!!

[desert elk]

if there's key bones missing, you will need to add them too

[clear egret]

okay but what do i do about the missing stuff and it being white

[desert elk]

that's texture missing

[raven orbit]

i learned blender by watching character modeling courses on youtube, and advanced rigs require advanced knowledge of blender to edit

[desert elk]

you need to export it from blender

[clear egret]

sigh chat i may be cooked

[raven orbit]

likely the reason the hands aren't parented already in because they were being used in an IK rig

[desert elk]

i learned by searching for tutorials for specific issues i had

[clear egret]

uhm actually im on pc so i have a question about those rigs and IK stuff

and i dont have a vr

so yeah

[raven orbit]

an IK rig in blender, which isn't something that can be directly imported into unity as a humanoid model

[clear egret]

do i just cry now or what..

[raven orbit]

learn blender 💯

[clear egret]

sigh i dont wanna take a week to learn blender

sigh!!

[raven orbit]

or if you want an easy out use metarig

[clear egret]

what is metarig

[raven orbit]

google it

(metarig rigs looks like ass imo)

[clear egret]

guh

going to take a long time

[raven orbit]

but it's easy for beginners

[clear egret]

sigh!!

isnt there like a site

that lets u rig models..

[raven orbit]

literally what i just said

[clear egret]

is metarig a site

guh

[raven orbit]

you could actually bother to google it 😐

[clear egret]

oops sorry

is mixamo good...

[desert elk]

the issue that you're having isn't that hard to solve, you just need to want to solve it

[clear egret]

wait nvm

[clear egret]

im too lazy and its getting dark and im starting to feel eepy

sigh

i'll try and i'll tell chat the results

[prisma thunder]

Help plzzz https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/730948173379535022/1328386550379319430

[raven orbit]

actually i think mixamo is what i meant to say instead of metarig 😅

[clear egret]

😭

[raven orbit]

i dont use either

[clear egret]

i'll try mixamo and i'll tell you the results

[prisma thunder]

Everything looks fine in unity, but after uploading, my head is gone and my body floats a few meters below me.

[desert elk]

is the view point correct?

and where is the origin point of your avatar?

[odd bane]

bro how is everything so smooth 😭

I would lag tryna do that

[prisma thunder]

?

[desert elk]

i don't even know how one gets unity to work with a headset

[prisma thunder]

I sent a video

[desert elk]

like, the eye point of your avatar

[prisma thunder]

Uh

I mean my view is fine

but my whole avatar is below me

[clear egret]

I love how when i try to put my character on maximo it just said no lol

[raven orbit]

delete any armatures or curves from the blender file maybe

[clear egret]

sigh do i really gotta go in blender AGAIN!!

i'll open up blender and ill show you how its rigged

[young nacelle]

Anyone know how to fix this in blender?

[raven orbit]

whats the issue

[prisma thunder]

I sent a video, its like my head is in control of my body from the neck down, but thinks my head is much lower than it is

[young nacelle]

My circle isn't circular I don't know what to do to make the body normal to fix :((

It's throwing off rim lighting and stuff

Same with the head

[desert elk]

that's why i said to check your avatars view point. The view point is where your headset is located, the point from which you're seeing. If the viewpoint somehow got moved really high up, it could cause the body to go down like that.

Check your eye point in unity

[prisma thunder]

Uh

Explain in crayon eating terms please

[raven orbit]

you may need to apply the scale (of everything in the scene)
idk what more could be done than that

[raven orbit]

100% IK based limbs

[young nacelle]

How do I?

Lmao

[raven orbit]

a to select all and crtl+a

[young nacelle]

Yuh

[clear egret]

is this a good or bad thing

[young nacelle]

I applied scale doesn't seem to work

[young nacelle]

Transforms did doh

[raven orbit]

similar issue with the face, you won't be able to get facial animations like eye blink or visemes (easily) without blendshapes

[clear egret]

explain in cat terms im too dumb

should i remove them

[raven orbit]

it means you will have to learn how to reparent the bones to make it forward kinematics

[prisma thunder]

Oh, do I gotta like keep adjusting that until it gets right or is there any way to visualize it?

[clear egret]

what

these terms are killing me

[raven orbit]

it means you'd have to add blendshapes for the face yourself if you want facial animations (meow)

[raven orbit]

learn 3d modeling 😼💯

[clear egret]

so should i remove the rigging in the face

[raven orbit]

that will break the rig probably unless you know how to fix it after

[desert elk]

it's visualized by the ball in the middle of my screen. You need to get it in between your eyes. If you set the coordinates to 0, 0, 0 it will be at world origin so you can easily locate it

[young nacelle]

Oh shoot

[clear egret]

okay should i NOT remove them

[young nacelle]

Your a life saver@raven orbit

[prisma thunder]

Thx

[young nacelle]

My 20 hours

So worth it

[raven orbit]

glad it worked

[desert elk]

you can moving it by typing numbers or moving it manually

[clear egret]

guh

[desert elk]

with the arrows

if that doesn't fix your avatar, idk what else could be wrong

[clear egret]

which ones should i remove..

or should i just let them

all

[prisma thunder]

Another smol question, does the bounding box cull stuff if the center of view isnt overlapping, or is it like if the whole fov doesnt see the bounding box

Thats a dumbass question i know

[raven orbit]

parent the feet to the legs and the hands to the arms

[clear egret]

what

and how do i do that..

[raven orbit]

learn 3d modeling 😼💯

[clear egret]

sigh maybe another day

[desert elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpVj94_GNA

there you go

[clear egret]

my kriptonite

learning..

okay i skipped half of the video

this is too hard for me

[desert elk]

can't help you then

[next cape]

How should I do the T-Pose on my avatar to match this pose in game on quest? Specifically the legs.

The hands have to be custom

I'll provide more references, brb.

[clear egret]

nvm

im going to try

[clear egret]

i need to lock in

[merry geyser]

Im having an issue when i put the texture on for the yeen eyes for quest it completely gets rid of them. I have tried every quest shader but nothing works. It has an eye gloss which also is not participating properly.

[desert elk]

if it's transparent it is not going to work, as quest doesn't support transparency

[next cape]

A couple of good references here

[merry geyser]

so is there a way to take it out or get the eyes to work at all

[desert elk]

do they work with other shaders? like pc ones

[merry geyser]

yes

just the quest shader does not want the eyes to work for some reason

[desert elk]

most likely could they're transparent

you'd need to make a new texture for them

[merry geyser]

the eyes are not transparent. The gloss part is I took the gloss off.

still showing they are white

[desert elk]

hmm

[clear egret]

okay how do i select the model but not the rig

like not the bones..!!

[raven orbit]

what shader on pc? it's possible the eyes were not included in the base texture but as a decal

[desert elk]

i'm not sure then

[merry geyser]

I used poi

[desert elk]

click on the mesh instead of the bones.

[clear egret]

how do i click on the mesh

[merry geyser]

you need to click off of the armature in the hierarchy and select the body instead

[raven orbit]

with your mouse/???

[merry geyser]

it will say body or you can hover and press L

it will select the entire mesh

[desert elk]

with your left mouse button?

[clear egret]

okay sure but when i click on the body

it just selects the rig..!!

bones

[raven orbit]

make sure you're in object mode

and not in edit or pose mode

[desert elk]

yeah

[clear egret]

how do i know if im in object mode

[desert elk]

left upper corner

[clear egret]

ok

im in object mode

its not working chat!!!

[desert elk]

okay, try clicking anywhere else

to deselect the bone

and try again

or simply click the mesh in the hierarchy

[raven orbit]

i think it's possible for selection on an object to be disabled (if what you downloaded was a blend file)

[clear egret]

i AM

[clear egret]

yes i downloaded a blend file

[desert elk]

that's the first time i hear of that huh

[raven orbit]

they likely disabled selection on the mesh to make it easier to animate

[clear egret]

okay so im just cooked

[raven orbit]

it used to be a lot easier to do in 2.7

[clear egret]

!?!?

[desert elk]

no

you just need to anable it

[clear egret]

how do i enable it

[raven orbit]

make sure the arrow on the mesh is white

[desert elk]

this!

i took to long to take screenshots xD

[clear egret]

erm

i did something and it worked

[raven orbit]

up there btw

[clear egret]

i think

[clear egret]

there is no arrow for me

[desert elk]

you changed the viewport shading from wireframe to material preview

[raven orbit]

i showed how to enable it in the first image :>

[clear egret]

okay

did it

[clear egret]

is that bad or good

[desert elk]

doesn't matter

can you select the mesh now?

[clear egret]

sure can

[desert elk]

awesome

[clear egret]

okay so what now

[desert elk]

idk, you asked how to select the mesh, so i helped

i'm not sure why you wanted to select it

[clear egret]

guh im so fricking stupid

[desert elk]

no, you're not, you're learning

[clear egret]

but like what do i do about these ones floating

[desert elk]

i'm assuming you need to position them properly, but maybe Neiryl knows more, i've never fixed a ik rig before

[clear egret]

@raven orbit rise up

[raven orbit]

there are bones related to the IK rig that are used for positioning. Select and move them in pose mode, if they don't move anything (such as the mesh) with it, then they have no weight and thus can be deleted. if they move any bones that move the mesh, then you need to parent the other bone* to something else

[clear egret]

okay this is ALOT to take in

[raven orbit]

The bones you can delete are likely IK's or pole targets

[desert elk]

it is

[clear egret]

okay so pose mode is not appearing for me now

[raven orbit]

I don't know how else to describe it, sorry

[desert elk]

you need to select the armature I think

[raven orbit]

sorry i misspelled a word in here, i meant bone not pose

[clear egret]

sigh

how do i ENABLE

guh!!

pose ### mode ###

.

i love when

this discord thingy isnt working

sigh!!

[raven orbit]

idk if the big text works here
-# small text does though

[raven orbit]

same way as object mode

[clear egret]

how

it isnt showing up?

[desert elk]

!!!

this is why

select armature

[clear egret]

OH

sorry lol

okay what now?

[desert elk]

select pose mode and do what Neiryl said

check the bones, delete the ones that don't move anything

[clear egret]

how do i move them?

stupid question

i'll just check it in youtube..

ok nvm how do i move them

[raven orbit]

g

select and g that is

[clear egret]

do i uhm

select them all?

[raven orbit]

no

not st the same time at least

[clear egret]

ok

fingers are good

👍

[rustic tide]

👍

[clear egret]

big thumbs

[winged cairn]

Have you ever fixed this issue? i'm having the same exact issue

[rustic tide]

You eill be very good at thumbs ups

[clear egret]

face is WORKING

im peak at making expressions

real

[rustic tide]

Did you set the slider as an animatable slider?

[clear egret]

@raven orbit what do u think of this

tail is also working

erm is this supposed to happen?

[raven orbit]

if you learn how to use animator logic in unity you can make expressions that way i guess

[raven orbit]

the ik modifier is still there

[clear egret]

ik modifier

whart!!1

[raven orbit]

learn blender 😼💯👍

[clear egret]

im cooked

sigh

help

does this count as moving!?!?

gulp

why is it selecting the 2 arms instead of the one i pressed

[raven orbit]

good god the hips are upsidedown

your'e gonna have to parent the spine to the hips and unparent the hips from the bone sticking out the front

[clear egret]

what

!!

explain in uhh

cat terms

im dumb!!

[raven orbit]

your'e meow gonna meow have to meow parent the spine meow to the meow hips meow and unparent meow the hips meow from the bone meow sticking out meow of the meow frontmeow

[clear egret]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

embed fail

[prisma frigate]

Meow?

[clear egret]

explain in terms that i CAN understand :D

[raven orbit]

imagine describing walking without using the word 'walking'

[clear egret]

what

[raven orbit]

exactly

[clear egret]

help me

[prisma frigate]

My head hurts.

[raven orbit]

i dont even remember the exact steps or hotkeys to tell you what to do

[clear egret]

welp

[prisma frigate]

I don't either. And I don't know if I still even have unity on my PC-

[clear egret]

what now chat..!!

[prisma frigate]

✨Magic✨

[clear egret]

i cant use magic

if i could i would

im going to do this tomorrow..

see ya later chat

[proper depot]

would anyone know why in the animation recording, the hair shows normal, but when in play mode it disappears? the objects are not hidden or anything, turning the hair on or off in the hierarchy she still comes out bald 💀

Here is the recording for this int

but nothing seems to have a recording of the hair being turned off?

[desert elk]

maybe the default in parameters is set to off?

[desert elk]

huh

if there's no hair off animation, then I don't think that's it

[pine valley]

Is that a completely separate hair mesh?

[proper depot]

yes

its because im using it on another hair to save on poly count

[pine valley]

turning the hair on or off in the hierarchy she still comes out bald

Your animation is activating the game object, so it shouldn't be possible to turn the hair's game object on and off while in Play Mode

(assuming that you were talking about toggling it in play mode, at least)

[proper depot]

Yeee I found it!

It was an animation recorded by accident smh

tysm for the help!

[golden mantle]

Any help on why aren't the pants showing up if they are on by default? :c Is there something like a toggle in the backround not letting me see them?

I'm new to this but I'm very sure the toggles I made in DressingTools is fine, my problem is that I can't seem to be able to view nor make Mamehinata's default clothes toggleable, any help pls? :c

[spark walrus]

i need help with avi thumbnales

both of these wont work idk why

[tight mortar]

how do i get this back to t-pose? i recorded an animation and now it is just stuck like this

nvm i got it

[shrewd stirrup]

anyone know how to get msfx

[keen spear]

so im uploading these two and the quest version dont got the black lines around it, is it not allowed or can i get them back on

[shrewd stirrup]

if you want outlines on quest u gotta do it in blender

[little sun]

outlines are heavy, cant do on quet

[shrewd stirrup]

but if ur using poiyomi for outlines then it won't work on quest

[shrewd stirrup]

i do them all the time

[little sun]

fliping normals in blender by duping the mesh?

[shrewd stirrup]

yup

[little sun]

oof

[shrewd stirrup]

and all my avis stay intact and work like charms

[little sun]

yep

[little sun]

remove the controller on the top level parent

[tight mortar]

ty

[keen spear]

Ah

[sweet carbon]

Can someone please tell me how to get these ears for the Regulus 2.0 Avatar Base?

been trying to find it with no lick of luck.

[keen spear]

so im trying to upload the same avi and they uploaded as 2 seperate things, how can i make it one thing

[eternal crater]

Why isn't my blendshape showing up in Unity? It's there in Blender but when I put it into Unity, it doesn't show up at all, not even on the blendshape/shapekey list via VRCFury.

[hollow meteor]

Does anyone know how to set up a pole on your avatar? ( like a dancing pole that you can toggle on and off ) I cant figure out how to get it so it stays in place

[eternal crater]

Nevermind, I realized I had an unapplied modifier

[little sun]

If its pc/quest upload the PC version normally, switch to android mode then upload to quest using the same blueprint id

[warm hollow]

Hi! New here so this is my first time rigging and modelling an avatar from scratch, I've chosen a bit of an unconventionally-proportioned character to start with so I might have to explain my issues a little bit
Right now, I have my avatar rigged completely with the structure intact, I did however create the skeleton from scratch, so I expect there to be issues when trying to map this to a humanoid. I tried to make sure all the required bones were present
However, due to this setup, I've found the arms to be pretty hard to work with, being a lot shorter than intended when I attempt to push my hands in front of me. I've found a "fix" for this by putting the viewpoint deep inside the head to compensate, but this brings up another issue with my avatar.
Right now, the avatar (only in VR, can't test FBT) will shift up/down depending on the headset's vertical tilt, which is undesirable for my avatar. I've confirmed this doesn't happen on desktop, as the character will stay in place vertically when looking up/down

Would it be possible to disconnect the "real" neck bone as to not affect the rest of my skeleton? I have no use for those bones as I only use one axis of rotation from the "real" neck to rotate the head of my character

[keen spear]

i have a seperate one for pc and then i upload pc on the windows selection

[pine valley]

Yeah, you can add some bones that don't actually control the mesh (and tell Unity that these are the real humanoid bones), then use constraints to make the neck rotate

Note that Unity's humanoid importer may not recognize the "fake bones" you create, even if they have the right names

I think it ignores bones that don't deform the mesh

[warm hollow]

I have the neck rotation working as I wanted, my issue right now is the viewpoint messing with the avatar's position when looking up/down

[pine valley]

but you can manually assign them later

ah, I see -- it's more about your entire skeleton moving in an unwanted way when you move your head

[warm hollow]

yeah, that'd be it

Should I record a video to demonstrate?

[pine valley]

Does putting the viewpoint much higher change the behavior at all?

Also, you should try switching between arm-span and height measurement

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/ik-20-features-and-options

notably, it shows a really weirdly proportioned model in the example

[warm hollow]

so if i were to move the viewpoint up here, you reckon?

or should i bring it forwards again?

here I swap between two avatars, their only difference being the viewpoints
the first one has its viewpoint just in front of the eyes
the second one has its viewpoint behind the eyes, still at the same point vertically

when in front of the eyes, looking down doesn't move the avatar, but looking up moves the avatar down. This is behaviour I don't see as unwelcome, but would be preferred to not have
However, the range of motion in the arms is very heavily limited, barely being able to move past the eyes if at all

when deep behind the eyes, looking down pushes the character down, but moving up shifts the whole rig upwards. This is behaviour I do not want
However, the range of motion in the arms is a lot more free in comparison to the viewpoint being in front of the eyes

[eternal crater]

Why are the eyes transparent? The normals are fine and they have no modifiers on them.

[spark walrus]

Is there a way that I when toggling between the hooves and legs, that I can change the height when toggled? So the hooves arent in the ground?

Im assuming just move the hip bone up when toggled but Idk if it will cause issues

[spark walrus]

What is different about it? I can try

The piercings?

[raven orbit]

I think gogoloco uses Animator Temporary Pose Space (https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors#animator-temporary-pose-space) for this, not sure specifically how it works though

[spark walrus]

So im assuming that then just changing hip pos wouldnt work then?

[raven orbit]

no

because that wouldn't be able to change your viewpoint (without the state behavior from above)

[spark walrus]

Thank you

[clear egret]

@raven orbit i just got a motivation boost should i try to fix my model or what

[raven orbit]

sure

[clear egret]

hell yeah

💪

[raven orbit]

won't be around to answer every question rn though

[clear egret]

dang

i just need you to be able to help with the rigging and i'll probably stop there and i'll continue tomorrow

i'm going to close vrchat and im going to start blendin!

hope i dont spend the rest of tomorrow tryna do this cartoony cat avatar

🙏

@raven orbit lets commence the tomfoolery!!

i should probably stop pinning you sorry lol

[glass solar]

anyone know how I can recreate the shading with this sprite here with mochis shader (or any other good shader)

[spark walrus]

Anyone know why the weightpaint for the heels doesn't work in Unity?

[somber sequoia]

wrong object parenting? Missing armature modifier in blender? hard to judge without knowing more, like how they're attached to the avatar

[spark walrus]

Well the legs are seperate mesh

because they can switch to hoove legs

[spark walrus]

Like in this pic

[somber sequoia]

are we talking about legs here or shoes?

[spark walrus]

Wdym

The legs can change into hooves

But when the legs are human they can wear heels

The hooves work fine in unity they move with the leg like expected but just not the heels

[somber sequoia]

right so I was asking about how the shoes are attached and you started talking about legs

[spark walrus]

Theyre weightpaitned

Am i missing something from that question? lol

[somber sequoia]

seems so

[rare cloak]

am i doing this wrong? im trying to upload my model to vrchat. in unity i cant access vrchat sdk. do i need to redownload the sdk?

[somber sequoia]

explain what "can't access vrchat sdk" means

I'd guess that the control panel doesn't show, and if that's true I'd suggest looking for errors in the console

[delicate tide]

Can I add/overlay an image onto an existing texture in Blender, then drag where on the model I want that image to go, then have the texture saved with the image?

[somber sequoia]

if you have errors show the first 2-3 and don't clip so much, context helps

that one by itself without any other errors is not helpful, unfortunately

[raven orbit]

if you want it saved you'd have to bake it

[somber sequoia]

Like a decal? You can do that in the node editor in the shading tab. But if your goal is Unity, doing it in blender isn't that useful

[delicate tide]

Oh snap so what do I do then?

[somber sequoia]

do it in Unity with a shader that does decals

[delicate tide]

Hold on lemme show you what I'm trying to do

[rare cloak]

so when i changed my version (because i had to) the sdk stuff stopped working

[peak patrol]

hi! i'm currently trying to convert a pmx model to vrm in unity, i figured i could ask for help here
the issue is with vrm spring bones (root bones?)
i'm trying to drag and drop the selection into the root bones menu but i'm not really sure how to (sorry i'm new to unity haha), is it possible? when i try to drag and drop, it only drags over 1 instead of the selection

[somber sequoia]

what version of unity (should be 2022.3.22f1) and SDK (should be latest, I think 3.7.5?) do you have?

[rare cloak]

i have 2022.3.22f1

[delicate tide]

@somber sequoia So what I wanted to do was replace the font on the back with this one that I recreated. However, the actual logo on the texture for the shirt is warped in the middle.

[somber sequoia]

SO yeah, decal, but the UV map is what determines if it's warped or not

if you want to make that part of the base texture, a 3D image editor like Substance Painter can be useful, or you can do it in Blender's shading tab and bake as Neiryl suggested.

[delicate tide]

Dawg idk what any of that means 😭

Also substance painter is $200

[clear egret]

just like me

clueless

[somber sequoia]

there are alternatives, but IMO it's worth the price

[delicate tide]

Imma need like a step-by-step tutorial on the shading thing if I have a shot at doing this the right way

[clear egret]

i should probably sleep

[raven orbit]

this would be easy enough in blender imo

[somber sequoia]

yep

[spark walrus]

I would just use photoshop

[somber meadow]

||no one said to buy substance||

[spark walrus]

and warp the text

[somber sequoia]

using photoshop, you'll have to - yeah warp the text yourself

[raven orbit]

this is a good option as well, i use photoshop a lot for textures

[spark walrus]

I will try for you

[delicate tide]

All I have is paint.net lol

[raven orbit]

i straighten my uvs so i dont have to warp stuff 😼

[somber sequoia]

this is the way

[spark walrus]

How big is the og texture

[delicate tide]

4096

[spark walrus]

Can you send it in Dms

Full size

[delicate tide]

Yeah I gotchu

[weak furnace]

Does anyone understand how to apply this? https://zzoma.booth.pm/items/6328516
I recently got this but I don't think I understand how to apply it. The instructions for it says "The application is simple! Copy each of the downloaded material settings and paste them into the existing Minase material!".

[upper shoal]

is there any way to make it so physbones arent so jittery?

[somber sequoia]

decrease spring, increase immobile, basically play around with the settings

[upper shoal]

it doesnt seem like im allowed to change the way it accelerates

only like

the limits

[somber sequoia]

feel free to show the physbone component

[upper shoal]

theres like a few

heres the puff on the back of the head

[somber sequoia]

that's quite a lot of spring

[upper shoal]

the like jitteryness doesnt go down when i turn down spring and turn up immobile it just limits it

[somber sequoia]

this avatar of mine I have open seems to be using advanced for hair, with pull at .557, momentum .04, and stiffness .85.

[upper shoal]

oh wait that worked

[somber sequoia]

oh cool

[upper shoal]

thanks lol

[fallow gulch]

Physbones are inherently a bit jittery
However... having an avatar where the armature scale is not 100 100 100, but 1 1 1 instead helps with this for ex.
A higher pull value also means that the physbone wants to go back to its rest position more
So if you have a high pull, and you move at just the right speed, the physbone will jitter, as it will try to move, but then it will go back to its resting position

Also yeah, Simplified and Advanced modes work a bit differently

[somber sequoia]

I find them easier to get not jittery than dynamic bones

[fallow gulch]

I don't have a lot of experience with dynamic bones, because when I finally decided to buy the package, a week later physbones came out lol
So I mostly know stuff about physbones

But that's good to hear

[somber sequoia]

hahahaha I did exactly that, at exactly that time

[rare cloak]

i think i know what i needed to do. i needed to use vrchat creator companion, update that and change the version? still waiting/working on that, has to migrate over

[somber sequoia]

I've since used it on Chillout, but there you also have Magica Cloth...

[somber sequoia]

it can be an easy way

[warm hollow]

Yummy constraints.. I think I need a little more insight into getting this set up ^^""

[fallow gulch]

Creator Companion is the way to go for sure
It handles everything for you with installing Unity correctly

[fallow gulch]

Can you grab that?

[somber sequoia]

ah I don't think so, no - good point

[fallow gulch]

Always curious about different cloth implementations

[somber sequoia]

Magica is amazing

[fallow gulch]

Cloth is interesting, but it's like.. novelty for the most part at this point I feel like

[somber sequoia]

I hate that you can't make skirts and coats and other flowing clothing really work well without a lot of pain 😦

[fallow gulch]

Skirts are a pain in general

[somber sequoia]

yep

[fallow gulch]

The best you can do if you want cloth is to combine physbones and cloth (if you can do that)

[somber sequoia]

unity cloth kinda sucks

[fallow gulch]

But that gets expensive really fast

[somber sequoia]

and that, yep

[fallow gulch]

If you want to see the best skirt I have found so far, check this avatar out at some point: https://yoyogi-mori.booth.pm/items/3067603
You can find it in a search world by looking for "Undone Kittens"

That is something to strive for
Just... don't look at the avatar's price x)

[somber sequoia]

yeah I don't really look at booth much. this seems pretty ok - way more rigid than anything I'd wanted to do, but I like how it's grabbable

[warm hollow]

Right now I have the body's mesh on a Fake hip bone, which right now I have two constraints set up, one to position it according to the actual hip bone, and the other to use the X and Z rotation of the Real head. I have another constraint on my Fake neck bone, which is set to only use the Y rotation of the Real head bone

...which right now, ends up with this for some reason.
I can tick the Y box but that'll make the body rotate with the head, which I don't want (I want the head to spin independent of the body)

[fallow gulch]

You have to fight so hard to clip the legs though it.. it's amazing

[fallow gulch]

Friend took it as a challenge, and it took them like 2 minutes of flailing their legs around to get it to clip once lmao
It's awesome

[somber sequoia]

very nice!

I got asked to make a sundress for someone and it's not been a fun project

[fallow gulch]

I love big skirts, but I must pay the price hehe

[raven orbit]

Do those constraints use a source that's a child of the object with the constraints

[warm hollow]

No actually, the Fake hip is its own nest separate from the Real hip bone (Actually, rereading this, yes???????? I'm a little confused by the question)

(pardon the inconsistent names, the "Fake" bones are the "Mesh" bones here, the bones named "Fake" are the Real bones, linked to the humanoid rig)

[silk thorn]

For nice flowing, I feel like it takes roughly 18 bones, 6 clusters of 3. I honestly hated weight painting until I worked on my wife's avatar, and it finally clicked.

[somber sequoia]

hmm that's probably a pretty good plan

[silk thorn]

Honestly, if you can afford more

[somber sequoia]

one of these days I'll get back to that project

[silk thorn]

8 clusters of 3 is king

then you can do flex spots with other 3 bone clusters, most people use one but you dont really get that fold movement with 1

[inland seal]

I'm having a problem where I can't interact with my avatar or other people (It works when I equip other avatar)

[silk thorn]

check your VRC descriptor

make sure it has all the appropriate contacts listed and identified properly

There are default ones for hands what not, sometimes it acts all goofy

uses the humanoid rig for setting it up

[delicate tide]

What's the difference between "Saved" and "Synced" when it comes to parameters?

[somber sequoia]

saved = will remember the next time you spawn

synced = other players will see the change you make in game

[delicate tide]

Oh so if it's NOT synced, only I can see the change on my avatar, where it will not show up for everyone else

[somber sequoia]

yes

[delicate tide]

Like for a hidden prop that only I can see lol, that's diabolical

Thanks

[inland seal]

Where is the humanoid thing?

[silk thorn]

Hence why they won't be part of param limit, so if you see unusually small amount of params, make sure you check to see if things are sync'd

[silk thorn]

It's the fbx, you probably won't need to worry about that unless you see errors.

[inland seal]

Can I dm you just in case if you could help

[silk thorn]

I mean you can, but there are others here with more knowledge than I.

[inland seal]

You're atleast smarter than me 😎

[warm hollow]

im thinking a Rotation constraint is not for me then
any Ideas? Ideally I'd want the mesh's body to tilt up and down when the player looks up and down, and side to side when the player tilts side to side, but not rotate when the player rotates their head. The head mesh is already configured to rotate when the player's head rotates

trying an aim constraint which sources the player's head, but I have my doubts that that'd work ideally for my needs?

plus it'll cause the whole body to flip backwards if the head goes forwards

[silk thorn]

Make sure you're not using constraints on body rig.

[warm hollow]

none of the constraints are on the humanoid rig itself
all of the constraints are on a "separate" mesh skeleton, but the body and head meshes are parented together, would that break then?

[silk thorn]

What you can do if you want parts to move with the head, is parent to the head. Though it will be very goofy looking for you, just not everyone else.

[warm hollow]

MeshHip has the main body mesh, and MeshHead is the head mesh

[silk thorn]

It's not based on that.

[warm hollow]

aah, I see?

[silk thorn]

1s I'll start unity

So, meshhip is a bone or a mesh?

[warm hollow]

oh, this is all one single armature, so MeshHip, MeshNeck, and MeshHead are all bones

[silk thorn]

Which I'm assuming is what you bind the mesh to, and the body armature is phantom?

[warm hollow]

yes indeed

the red is weighted to the mesh itself

so MeshHead would be made into a jaw flap, and MeshNeck is what controls the rotation of the head

[silk thorn]

And you want the whole body to move like it's the head no?

You're saying when you look down, the body would tilt back?

[warm hollow]

so when looking down, the body and head would tilt down

[silk thorn]

So imagine the body is part of the head, and parent it to the head

thing is, you wont see it because VRC scales head bone to 0

which scales everything parented to it to 0

[warm hollow]

I have VRC headchop configured already, all I should be able to see are the hands and legs

would that change anything of the process?

there's also the ask that I need the head to rotate on the Y axis independent of the body when the player moves their head, which I figures is what's causing more trouble than is worth

[silk thorn]

Honestly, I would just parent the bones to FakeHead then

[warm hollow]

MeshNeck already has a rotation constraint for that that works

[warm hollow]

so parent MeshHip and MeshNeck to MeshHead?

[silk thorn]

No

Relations // Parent "FakeHead" for MeshHip

The rest are fine as is

Then everything moving with Meshhip/MeshNeck/MeshHead will move with player head movement like what you're asking

[warm hollow]

just realizing i misread that
so the hierarchy should look like this then?

[silk thorn]

Yup

I recommend avoiding constraints whenever you can, as it is usually not needed.

I only recommend using it when you're referencing multiple game objects, say swapping hat from head to hand.

[warm hollow]

do i need to recreate the rig in unity?

[silk thorn]

Eh, it'll mess up the prefab, but doesn't take much to swap over

I think you could just manually move it in unity, but IDK if it'll break

Probably wont because I think of it as clothing bones added to body.

[warm hollow]

seems to break my animations, which isnt that big of a deal imho (I only have custom blinking animations)

[silk thorn]

You would need to change the address of the gameobjects in the anim

You just have to add 'Spine/Chest/FakeNeck/FakeHead' before the game object

[warm hollow]

Yeah so I'm unsure if that was the right course of action..? Moving FakeHead shifts the whole body as expected, but it's not the same origin point as MeshHip

[silk thorn]

Did you update the fbx?

[warm hollow]

yes I did, the FBX was replaced entirely

the new bone structure is present in unity

[silk thorn]

So you mean like it tilts back and forth based on the hip?

[warm hollow]

that's what's shown on the image, and was why I wanted to use some sort of constraint to mimic the rotation of FakeHead

I wanted the whole body to move around the MeshHip bone when the player moved their head, as if their "head" bone was where the hip bone would be

which I'd fear would make an.. interesting skeletal structure

by then I'd be more concerned about learning to use a generic rig + animator

[silk thorn]

Yeah, then I guess that would be a rotation constraint

I don't think VRC supports generic rig

VRC needs to reference a humanoid rig

[fallow gulch]

VRC supports generic rig, but it is much easier to work with Humanoid models
For generic rigs, you have to provide the animations and stuff
They are generally good for desktop use, but not great for VR use

[warm hollow]

so, reverting this back to the original bone structure
I can add a rotation constraint to MeshHip, which does 80% of the things I want

my main concern is the second big thing I want to do with this avatar, and that's to make the head rotate independent of the body
I'll grab an example in a bit

[silk thorn]

Yeah, you would set the rotation constraint to FakeHead, then it rotates on the axis of the hip, just not sure how that results

[warm hollow]

so that constraints works as I expect