avatar-help

[spark walrus]

left handf

right hand

and guns

so 4

[ornate stump]

It's in the 4th layer so the layer number is 3.

[spark walrus]

so i should set it to 3?

how are shoulders mapped?

[spark walrus]

so i should set it on 3 on my controller?

[ornate stump]

Obviously.

[spark walrus]

like this right

what are shoulders parented to>?

I mean the extra shulder bone

not shoudler that moves arm

[ornate stump]

Is that for gun on or off?

[static cipher]

bump

[junior void]

Whats an extra shoulder

[spark walrus]

no its for this

on layers theres no guns off option to add the controller

[ornate stump]

You add behaviour on the wrong place. You have to add to animation states. Not on the layer.

[spark walrus]

what is shoulder f or?

[spark walrus]

on guns off it doesnt let me add anything

[ornate stump]

You are selecting animation clip.

[spark walrus]

what bone is this?

[ornate stump]

Animation state is what show as rectangle in animator controller.

I have to go and I won't be able to help you further.

[junior void]

Shoulder

[spark walrus]

alright thantks for the help

[spark walrus]

at least i have now a reference

I used to not have any shoulder bone

[junior void]

I dont get what youre saying

Shoulder

[brazen citrus]

how do i get rid of the gestures for the face? im trying to use FT and I reimported the FT and now it only shows gestures.

[static cipher]

double bump time

[spark walrus]

I see,.

is there an option in blender to see what is father of who>?

[somber sequoia]

does that mean loop, or just play once to enable a thing then hold?

[junior void]

Armature, edit mode, click a bone, see "parent" in the green bone symbol panel

[static cipher]

Well, hopefully the second, but i can make the first one work if it's easier

This could be an xy problem though

Basically, only the BlendShape weight is changing in my animation, but none of my other Animators in the animation are working (even though they fully work when previewed)

[somber sequoia]

well for looping you want to enable the checkbox on the animation clip to loop it. Otherwise it's just a matter of turning it on in an animation layer and not turning it off

[static cipher]

Animation layer?

[somber sequoia]

oh boy. Part of the animation controller....

Wherein you can run animations based on conditions (i.e. variables changing) to do various things....

[spark walrus]

u mean this thing?

says they r all childs of spine

which looks fine to me

[static cipher]

uhh- that's this, right?

[somber sequoia]

is spine4 the chest or upper chest? You want to check the whole path down from hips to be sure it's the right number of components.

[spark walrus]

upper chest

[real lily]

guys im trying to make my own costom draw kill funtime foxy avatar but cant could someone help me

[somber sequoia]

it's in that controller, FX Slug - I suggest a basic tutorial for this part, it'll help understanding

[somber sequoia]

Feel free to ask questions...

[real lily]

i dont rilly have money so i cant get someone to make it for me

[spark walrus]

like this:?

it is all connceted to that center bone

shoulder bone called clavicle to spione4

[static cipher]

I do have some stuff set up, with animations inside it n everything, but it seems that only the property in the fourth image applies ingame when toggled, while the rest of the properties don't, which a few examples are shown in the fifth.

[real lily]

i just have no clew what to do thats the thing

[static cipher]

just a question, are you 13 or older?

[real lily]

me?

[static cipher]

yes

[real lily]

13 yes

[somber sequoia]

This is an animation layer, in the first pic.

[spark walrus]

i cant find the mistake they are all parent of spine 4

[static cipher]

okay, good, just checking since the age requirement for vrchat and discord is 13

[real lily]

ik

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what most of that is but it looks like too many bones from root to shoulders, so you'll have to figure out what to put in the rigging boxes.

[static cipher]

Yep, I set up all the stuff on images 2-4, and also the ShowArms layer on the first image

[somber sequoia]

do you already have a purchased avatar or are you staring from scratch? if you have nothing, either build or acquire a 3D model first.

[real lily]

think ill have to start from scratch since i have no money and there isnt a model for what i want

[static cipher]

A good place to start is just looking up how to make an avatar for VRChat. Also, even beforehand you might want to learn how to make 3D models in Blender.

[somber sequoia]

I'd suggest learning blender, there are lots of decent tutorials, such as "The Donut Tutorial" or Rainhet's videos.

[real lily]

iv serched tutorials thy just confuse me

[solar oriole]

so the vrchat companion wont launch unity for me? like if i select the 2019 version instead of the 2022 version it just yells at me about a license, which i 100% have a personal license. I genuinely don't know what to do.

[spark walrus]

i deleted redundant bones

now it is very clear

[shrewd stirrup]

does anyone have a good physbone earring setting?

[static cipher]

I can't find anywhere to loop the animation 😓

No checkboxes anywhere I look

[somber sequoia]

it's on the animation clip

[spark walrus]

error doesnt go away

[static cipher]

Ohh, you meant that I should:

1. Locate the animation I'm wanting to loop in the Project/Assets tab, then
2. Click on it, and finally
3. In the Inspector, click Loop Time

[somber sequoia]

that!

[static cipher]

Alr

I'd recommend giving more step-by-step instructions tbh, and elaborate when someone asks about a question about a step, but that's just my style of helping

[somber sequoia]

sure, but I keep saying stuff like watch basic tutorials and things, and assumed you'd know what an animation clip is at this point.

[static cipher]

yeahhhh thing is, it's really just use of terminology that's the main issue i think

aw SHOOT it still doesn't work

[somber sequoia]

if you come here for step-by-step hand-holding and aren't going to go dig in and read docs and watch tutorials and learn on your own, then probably this will end up being a frustrating experience for everyone. Some balance is good here 🙂

Again, happy to elaborate on most of the answers I give, I don't know what you do or don't know.

[spark walrus]

how do i fix this>?

[static cipher]

Okay, I think I know what the issue is. It's that the Animators don't activate. These ones.

They seem like they SHOULD do something, but they don't, even though they have unique values assigned to them that would make their positions be that of a t-pose. They work in the preview but never do ingame. Thus, yeah, I think I need to find an alternative to the animators or otherwise get them to work.

So, now how might I do this?

[snow elm]

so they work in unity but not ingame?

[static cipher]

Well, not even

They work when I press the play button (shown in image), but they don't work either ingame nor when testing with GestureManager.

[snow elm]

which animator are you placing these animations in?

[solar oriole]

im so mf frustrated, literally none of the creator companion wants to work lol

[somber sequoia]

ooh.. you're doing this in FX aren't you - you can't move humanoid bones there

[static cipher]

so wait, no matter what, even through animations?

[snow elm]

yes all animations that move your main armature belong in the action layer

[somber sequoia]

correct! source: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers/

[spark walrus]

the error could be somewhere else in the spine

it's just a sugguestion to check the shoulderand neck connection

[somber sequoia]

hips -> spine -> chest -> optional upper-chest -> shoulders, neck

anything else is not valid and must be reworked somehow.

[static cipher]

So after moving it to my actions layer, do I delete it from FX layer or keep it there too?

[somber sequoia]

Delete from FX - you can do other things in FX based on the same conditions though.

[snow elm]

remove it unless your animation also drives a blendshape or a toggle

[hot lava]

Hey Y’all! I have a question regarding shading on an avatar while using Poiyomi shaders.

In some worlds there are light sources that affect different pieces of the model. I’m assuming it has something to do with the shaders used for the material.

The instances include lighting in popcorn palace’s private rooms or Rainy daze (will provide picture example)

[snow elm]

im not seeing the issue

[static cipher]

It does have one of these, does that mean it drives it or is driven by it?

[snow elm]

yeah that would be a job for the fx layer though I think its fine if its just in the action layer

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's a blendshape animation, it should probably be in FX

[hot lava]

The picture on the left shows the ears to by a lighter pink color while in other darker areas is a darker tone

[snow elm]

are the ears part of the head mesh or seperate?

[astral atlas]

Trying to make a radial slider for gravity on a tail but the tail doesn't update unless I respawn the tail. Any clues?

[hot lava]

Yeah they are… I tried to use the same shading setting as the head but no luck unfortunately 😅

[snow elm]

seperate?

[hot lava]

Yeah sorry that was clear they are separate

[astral atlas]

Did you properly set the anchors?

[snow elm]

ok select all the meshes on your avatar and set the anchor override to your spine or chest

[astral atlas]

The head is best for anchors.

[static cipher]

ah alr

[snow elm]

not necessarily

its just where the light probes get hit, the rest of your mesh will be lit by that probe

so it doesnt matter too much, just avoid the feet

[hot lava]

Thank you so much! Any tutorials I could use or photos to do that? 😁😅

[snow elm]

in the skinned mesh renderer settings under the probes dropdown

play around with which anchor override you prefer different worlds offer different results

[spark walrus]

😮

[snow elm]

to avoid extra layers you can just remove it from fx if its part of that animation from earlier. The only concern would be if something in your fx layer is driving that blendshape causing it to override whatever is done in the action layer

[spark walrus]

keep getting error.

[static cipher]

So you're saying, remove it from the fx and only have it in the action, since they're the same animation?

[somber sequoia]

Placing them in the right slots does not make the armature hierarchy correct - did you redo it in Blender first?

[static cipher]

Well that's an issue...

When I remove it from the FX Slug, pressing my toggle doesn't do anything anymore.

[spark walrus]

i did

i cant see bone anymoer though

[snow elm]

make sure you remake the transitions and add the parameters into your action layer

[spark walrus]

but it exists in objnect mode

hierachie is correct

[snow elm]

those bones are looking quite messy\

[spark walrus]

i know

[static cipher]

Yep, this was the case when I removed it

[spark walrus]

i didnt make the rig

[snow elm]

your import settings in blender may be off

give this a shot in import settings

[spark walrus]

ok

[static cipher]

Is it because of this in my states?

[spark walrus]

cant find these options

[hot lava]

Thank you so much!!

[snow elm]

Are you importing an fbx?

[spark walrus]

yes

fbx

there are some bones that dont really exist

i've already deleted them but they still show in the hierachie

is that a problem:>?

[glass condor]

Anyone good with Blender and CATS? I want to join the meshes of my character, but it completely wipes out the texture slots on my character. When I add the fbx to unity, there's only one slot on the Body for Materials/Textures, instead of the 6 it should come with. What happened?

It's just one texture slot. Is there a way that I can join all meshes without wiping out the 6 texture slots?

[runic ether]

I created an avatar that could be used as a fallback and it said that I could do that in the builder, but after I uploaded it and joined VRC, I didn't see it listed in the fallbacks. How long does it typically take for VRChat to recognize it as a fallback compatible avatar?

[spark walrus]

perfect hierachie

st ill error

[hollow meteor]

how do I stop this from happening ??

everytime I weight paint some kind of warmers it always attaches to the other warmer

[spark walrus]

i fixed it

when i clicked select error

it highhlighted this

and I see neck is subcategorie of some invisible bone?

either way i deleted that invisible bone or fodler

whatever it was

[junior void]

Just deleting bones causes deform issues

[junior void]

Mask out one side while painting the other?

[hollow meteor]

?

[snow elm]

Go through the vertex groups and ensure that no weight is on the wrong warmer

[hollow meteor]

there isnt any but they still connect

[junior void]

It looks like you painted it and the brush stroke bled onto the other side bc its too close together

[snow elm]

Typically it's something to do with vertex groups so make sure those are all proper

[flint grail]

does anyone know how to fix this error? I can't convert any of the bones on my avatar's head into physbones! :(

[dusk pulsar]

I made an outfit toggle.
Works fine for my side; For others - they see the previous outfit.
PC
Forgot to sync....

[night ember]

export settings

(or import settings)

commonly its the endbones setting

in which case you are actually changing the fbx

[junior void]

Disappear sounds like fbx was replaced on an unpacked prefab

[thorn eagle]

Can also be the fbx scale, might wanna try exporting with it set to "fbx all" instead of "all local"

[junior void]

Usually that creates a stick figure, not an entire ghost though

[glass condor]

UPDATE: I fixed the earlier issue, but now my model in unity is like this:

the model itself isn't aligned with the uhh..."origin". (where the scale selection is.) Is that normal or do I need to fix it? And how do I fix it?

[junior void]

Top left has an origin setting, you juuuust cut it out of the image

[glass condor]

top left of unity? the pivot option?

[junior void]

Yes

[glass condor]

ok I changed it to center. Will that make the avi good to upload...?

[junior void]

Your avatars origin should be at the feet or else your view point might be off

[glass condor]

the center option placed it at the center of the body 💀 if I move the viewpoint will I be fine, orrrr do I have to fix it again in blender?

[junior void]

Apply transforms in blender.

[glass condor]

oh gosh, uhh...how to do that?

[junior void]

Select all objects, shift + a -> apply all transforms

3 clicks ;)

[glass condor]

so, a, shift+A and something should pop up? Sorry, I'm terribly new

[torpid sedge]

how would i change the default toggle for an avi? like make the default a different hair style than what it normalyl comes with

[junior void]

Have your mouse be in the scene view in blender

Also check that youre in object mode

[glass condor]

I am

[near rover]

How can I get the vrc announcements in my server

[glass condor]

it just pulls up the Add menu

[junior void]

It could also be ctrl + a

[glass condor]

ooooh yep it's that

[junior void]

My bad

[glass condor]

np. looks like it's fixed...gotta put it in unity to see for sure

[junior void]

If the orange dot is at the world center, youre good

Keep in mind your armature is also an object

You need to zero out transforms for every object

[glass condor]

how can I check that?

[junior void]

Next to the hierarchy on the top right where the scene view edge is at, you should see little tabs, right?

[spark walrus]

what does this mean?

[junior void]

If not, hit n while mouse is in scene

One tab should be called "view", another "item"

[glass condor]

yeah I see

[junior void]

Under "item" you will see transforms

Rotation, location and scale should all be zero

If not, you need to apply it

[glass condor]

the scale is at 1.000, is that safe?

it's the same for the XYZ and it's on all bones

[junior void]

Yes, sorry im tired

[glass condor]

it's ok, thank you so much bro

Helped a noob out GREATLY

[junior void]

I should go to bed ngl x.x

[glass condor]

you deserve it😁

[glass valley]

I am gonna have to grab a screen shot later and send it

[left gull]

If you know the creator name/asset name i could check for you i went back in the messages and found the page, it seems like the 3 dependencies are: Modular avatar, Liltoon and whatever 円形ゲージシェーダー is most likely (specifcally that last one says to only add the shader from 円形ゲージシェーダー and nothing else from the package as it causes errors)

[glass condor]

Alright gang, I uploaded the avi!

Why her feet like that tho

[left gull]

weightpainting issue probably

[glass condor]

how do I fix that?😭

[left gull]

one of the feet likely has a bit of weightpainting on the wrong bone (the other foot in this case) just erase the weightpainting thats in the wrong areas

[glass condor]

I see

[tulip pasture]

strange issue here, using cats to merge bones like i usually do in blender but now its deleting my ear bones idk why

[snow elm]

do your ear bones have any weight?

[tulip pasture]

yes

[tulip pasture]

just doing this its never deleted random bones before

its for a unrelated item too

[snow elm]

odd

is it just the ear bones that go away?

[tulip pasture]

yeaa

[tulip pasture]

they just poof after merge

[snow elm]

does the thing youre merging with also have those bones?

try running the operation again with merge off and see how it behaves

[glass condor]

So uhh

how do I fix this weight painting issue

[tulip pasture]

it works with merge off, but then all the weights wont transfer

[snow elm]

select your vertex group for the opposite foot and remove any undesired weight

[tulip pasture]

i tried renaming the ears aswell

[glass condor]

kk

[snow elm]

does the thing youre merging with also have those bones?

[tulip pasture]

no its an outfit from another one of my models

ive done this dozens of times never encountered this

[snow elm]

yeah id have to recreate the issue to figure it out

[tulip pasture]

ill keep working on it, maybe ill detach and reattach the bones or something

or bring the ears back in again which is annoying but might be the only fix

thanks for input

[snow elm]

yeah try some things outs, like other armatures to merge to see if its something on your main armature or the ones youre trying to put on

[tulip pasture]

i was having same issue with a collar yesterday on same avi but that didnt need to merge any bones

cause its just weighted to neck

[snow elm]

could I ask which version of blender and cats youre using?

[tulip pasture]

cats 0.19.0 and blender

uhh

2.93 i believe

[snow elm]

oh ok shouldnt have any issues in that regard

[tulip pasture]

yea i tried to get cats as stable as possible

[snow elm]

there is an unofficial cats version that allows using higher versions of blender

though that wouldnt solve your problem I dont think

[tulip pasture]

ehh id rather readd the ears

cx

waittt

could the word merge cause an issue

[snow elm]

not sure maybe

[tulip pasture]

i renamed the root but lemme try those

omg that was the issue

wierrddd

[snow elm]

yup it be like that

[tulip pasture]

now half the ears unweighted themselves

😭

maybe gotta rename the weights in the inspecter

[snow elm]

nothing ever goes smoothly

[tulip pasture]

got it all sortedd

[grizzled lichen]

im making an avatar and when its in vrchat it says it has 2147483647 triangles, but in blender it says it has 2,412, and i dont have any separate objects for toggles and such it's the same model in both

also my old account @spark walrus got hacked this is my new account

[teal marten]

so uh when i go into pose mode and move the shoe it doesnt move or last night it moved but horrible idk what to do

[safe wyvern]

Hey so I'm trying to upload this avatar but for some reason it says that I haven't mapped stuff but when I go to check it's all mapped I don't know much about unity so it might be an obvious error can anybody help?

[safe wyvern]

I had this issue and i just clicked autofix on some stuff in the sdk and it fixed itself

[grizzled lichen]

ok that worked thanks

[safe wyvern]

I fixed it I got rid of the shoulder bones in the thingy and added an upper chest bone then made the parent of the upper arm bones the upper chest bone

[spark walrus]

anyone here?

[long sierra]

How would I make multiple meshes toggle based on 2 variables: One of them has to always be 1 for any of the meshes to be visible, only one mesh should be visible at a time, and the other variable has to be 0 (For the first mesh), 1 (For the second mesh), 3 (For the third mesh), and 4 (For all meshes to be hidden)

I can't figure out how to make it work based on two variables instead of a single one

[white sparrow]

going to shill this, in hopes anyone else has encountered this. its infuriating. and vrc constraints dont fix it either

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/cloth-behaving-oddly

[somber sequoia]

I +1'd it, that seems annoying

[spark walrus]

glitch lmao

[grizzled lichen]

when i try to publish the avatar it says this and then removes the avatar info and selected avatar and thumbnail options

[paper stirrup]

hi, im a beginner with avatar development and the first avatar im making (uses uzuruha base) prompts me with this message when i upload to quest and the colors are broken please if anyone knows how to resolve this tell me thank you

it uses liltoon shaders on pc

[sterile cedar]

never upacked prefab but it broke a lot of things in unity after updating in blender, is there a simple fix around this issue?

[spark walrus]

why does vrcfurry get installed into packages?

doesnt work for me anymore

it used to be installed in assets

[somber sequoia]

because modern packages use Unity's packaging system, it's overall better.

[spark walrus]

i dont understand the difference btw gogo loco and vrc fury

seems like vrcfury has gogo loco already inbuilt

[somber sequoia]

they're completely different things

no, but vrcfury provides an easy method to add gogo loco to an avatar

[spark walrus]

it did nothing

it is in packages

[somber sequoia]

it being in your project has nothing to do with whether it's on your avatar or not

[spark walrus]

iot's not evne in my assets

it didnt install there

byut gogo loco has folder with vrc fury somehow

so no need to install vrc fury

if gogo loco comes wtih it

[somber sequoia]

it doesn't

[spark walrus]

but i installed gogoloco afterwards

and it spawned vrc prefab in its folder

@somber sequoia how do u explain this>?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not really even sure what you're talking about here. vrc fury is a tool to make adding stuff to avatars easier. gogo loco is some in-game locomotion and stuff. Fury can add gogo loco to your avatar easily.

[spark walrus]

how did vrcfury prefab land in my gogo loco folder>?

i've installed loco afterwards

not before

[somber sequoia]

it's a vrcfury prefab which makes it easy to install gogo loco

probably added by vrcfury

[spark walrus]

ur not understanding

[somber sequoia]

I don't actually use Fury to do this, so I will refer you to their documentation

(I do understand what a vrcfury prefab is though)

[spark walrus]

ok

[wicked coyote]

why does the SDK crap its pants when i change my password

ive tried like 5 different passwords and both of my usernames (present and past) and none of them are wanting to work

[spark walrus]

how come I cannot find my avatars in avatar search worlds?>

[long sierra]

Could someone help me figure this out?

[somber sequoia]

where are you stuck?

[long sierra]

Figuring out how to set the animation controller up

[somber sequoia]

Do you have anything so far?

[long sierra]

Basically the meshes I'm talking about are part of the swappable outfits my avatar has, except this part of the outfit can be toggled off, and I want the variable to check which outfit is being used, in addition to if the toggle is enabled

And are conditions handled as AND basis, or OR basis? (As in, does it try to find if all of the conditions are true simultaneously, or does it try to find if each individual condition is true, even if others are false or N/A?

[somber sequoia]

and

I'd do something like this (obviously add return conditions)

[long sierra]

That explains some of the issues I've been having

[somber sequoia]

if you want an "or" drag a second transition line, you can have multiple

[long sierra]

like the one with the 3 arrows instead f the single arrow?

[somber sequoia]

yep, that indicates multiple conditions, it'd logically be an OR

[long sierra]

Ohh, I did something like this

[somber sequoia]

I don't see the need for any OR statements here though

oh actually you're right

except I'd just go from all of those, if var1 != 1 then exit

[long sierra]

The problem is that it needs both types, AND in addition to OR

[somber sequoia]

not sure where

based on how I'm reading your initial problem statement

[long sierra]

Would I put that in its own state and then make a transition to exit? No animation necessary?

[somber sequoia]

from "summer outfit" you can have conditions to go to the other outfits, but then one extra transition to Exit if var1 is no longer true

with WriteDefaults on, that means everything will be back to the default, which would be everything off.

[long sierra]

so put WriteDEfaults on WiimakeOutfit since that's the default outfit?

[somber sequoia]

(if you want to do this with WD off then it's a bit more complex, you need an "off" animation)

[long sierra]

one of the outfits does have all meshes disabled

[somber sequoia]

er, no, you either use Write Defaults on for everything, or off for everything.

[long sierra]

and if you're wondering, it's for the shoes

[somber sequoia]

it's all just boxes on the screen from here, who cares what they do 🙂

[rugged gust]

@foggy saffron Any chance you've got the files for phys_rig? IIIIII do not know how on EARTH I could get the files or VRCA without performing not so good things.

Sorry if this wakes you up or any but I am, very very scared about other methods that just feel wrong despite getting permission.

[orchid tree]

okay, this is such a SIMPLE problem but im going crazy here.
Im making a boop contact reciever for the nose of this avatar, but it gestures simply dont work. its sending the facial expression, andd its above all layers to see if that would work, but nothing.

[somber sequoia]

There's not really much reason to use AnyState there. You could do simply Entry -> off <-> on

Otherwise, we'd need to see conditions to help debugging further

[orchid tree]

I changed it to remove the transition from any state just to add

[somber sequoia]

oh if you're using a float you could do a blendtree instead too. Otherwise this looks pretty reasonable

I notice you have Write Defaults off - I assume that's on purpose?

[orchid tree]

yes- i've tried on and off.

[somber sequoia]

if so you need an actual boop off animation rather than the Empty one there.

[orchid tree]

i dont see why it doesnt even do the animation for boop in the first place though, im so lost 😵‍💫

[somber sequoia]

your second image from the first set looks like it's activating that state though

[orchid tree]

yeah, the sender is activating the reciever, but the animation isnt triggering, Im thinking its something with the facial gestures, but im not sure how to fix that, since i mostly use the ComboGestureExpressions thing.

[somber sequoia]

so just to confirm: that animation state is active but the animation does not seem to be working?

[orchid tree]

yes!

[somber sequoia]

(you still don't need that AnyState transition at all)

ok then a guess is that something else is also animating whatever it's doing

like you're setting a blendshape in this animation layer that's also being controlled in another layer

[orchid tree]

i think that is the problem with the gestures i just need to find out how to fix that 😭

I might have to go back and redo the facial gestures in CGE

[somber sequoia]

if it's not obvious which, I'd try disabling (weight = 0) all other layers, verify this works, then add them back one by one to see which one causes it to break

[orchid tree]

ok. it was combo gesture expressions.

[somber sequoia]

yep

I have one of these conflicts on an avatar of mine that I've been putting off fixing 🙂

[orchid tree]

its especially hai_gestureexp

UGHHH, thank you so much i didnt even think of troubleshooting the weight of the layers

[somber sequoia]

yeah! It's a really useful method

[quick stratus]

anyone got any idea what these are? it just appeared out of nowhere at some point right under my model, i dont remember creating them?

[somber sequoia]

They look like bones

[left gull]

this sounds like you're asking about ripping a model, if thats the case please delete this message and maybe dont do that as its against TOS

[quick stratus]

its called rotation constraint, idk what that is lol

[somber sequoia]

Yeah this looks like a complicated setup to do something with bones, not sure what from here

[left gull]

not sure if you ever got assistance with this but you'd just need to go to the meshes listed in the error and change the shader on the materials used

[quick stratus]

is better to leave them then i guess? so weird...

[somber sequoia]

no idea!

[rugged gust]

Not really no. Got permission earlier and never asked for the file and figured since it was a public model there'd be a way to just export it as a unity package. And there isn't so now I'm asking. Just had plans to modify the model for a friend as a project and learning opportunity.

[south kraken]

security checks failed on my avatar... but its not gonna tell me why
funniest part is im uploading it AGAIN, so ive actually uploaded it before just fine...
it is not a filesize, or vram issue so i have no clue

update: the next day it now works lol

[left gull]

not all public models are allowed to be shared so unless the user created it 100% from scratch id suggest not file sharing in any form, not to mention VRCA files can only be aqquired via ripping iirc so you'd need the actual raw files not whatever you're currently trying to get

there is also not any legal/safe/permitted methods to take "export it as a unitypackage" in the way you're thinking

[rugged gust]

Not really? You can just. Get them. From your steam local files.

[left gull]

thats still ripping.

[rugged gust]

Huh. Alright then gotcha gotcha. I'll just wait till they get back to me about it.

[left gull]

just be sure they give you the actual raw files that they 100% legally own because if its a case of illegal filesharing, it being ripped content etc it can/will get you banned

especially since they've got a pretty tight monitor on that stuff now

[spark walrus]

why is eveyrthing black>?

[somber meadow]

your maincolor is set to black

[quaint hound]

hello kazin

i require help.

[somber sequoia]

uh...

[quaint hound]

is there a way to move the point of where pickupables are held?

[quaint hound]

avatar side

man i say something and the chat returns to silence

[somber sequoia]

been blendering. my guess is that's based on the contact location

[quaint hound]

how would i move it back

WAIT

[teal marten]

wheres a good website for free clothin?

[spark walrus]

why does it look metallic>?

[quaint hound]

i dont know, but i think, it may be this?

[ornate stump]

It isn't metallic. It's smooth surface because you set smoothness 1.

[spark walrus]

it was the smoothness mostly]

[quaint hound]

or that

im dumb! :P

[spark walrus]

why does my character look low poly?

[quaint hound]

uhh i think youre gonna have to open the fbx in blender

unless you can switch it within unity

[ornate stump]

Because polygons aren't smooth shaded.

[quaint hound]

open blender, shade smooth the mesh, reexport

yea

[spark walrus]

cant do this in unity>?

[ornate stump]

No.

[quaint hound]

no clue tbh

i assume not

[spark walrus]

ok

[quaint hound]

i can send you a video on how to do it

[spark walrus]

thx

[quaint hound]

itll take me some tho lmao

do you have blender installed?

[spark walrus]

yes

I do

[quaint hound]

can you hop into a vc

[spark walrus]

ok

I dont see it

where is VC?

[somber sequoia]

edit mesh, go into face mode, select faces, right-click, shade smooth

but

if you have sharp edges you'll want to mark them first

[ornate stump]

There is no VC in this server.

[spark walrus]

I cant see, it's pitch black

[quaint hound]

ill dm you it

oh

its ok just

right click it

right click it and it should have 2 options a tthe top of the menu

shade smooth and shade flat

click shade smooth on all meshes of your avatar

just press "a" then right click to select all of your meshes

[spark walrus]

there is auto smooth

[quaint hound]

you can choose auto smooth aswell i think

it shades smooth surfaces as smooth and i think tries its best to shade flat surfaces flat

but i dont know how auto smooth works

[spark walrus]

i used default smooth

[quaint hound]

for me, shade smooth always works how i want it to

[spark walrus]

how do i remove the blackness?

oh i see

it has no textures i guess

[quaint hound]

yea i dont think it does

but thats something you can fix in unity

[spark walrus]

it isnt smooth

[quaint hound]

thats weird

can you send me your fbx over dms?

unless you cant due to tos or whatever

[spark walrus]

ok

[round cedar]

howdy! I'm trying to get this premade model setup for VRC. The Issue I am running into right now is I think the bones and the mest are not working together because when I add physbones to the model in Unity the mesh does not move with the bones. Any tips?

[spark walrus]

it is the AccuRig that ruins the models

i['ve noticed

it is junk

[halcyon zenith]

I wonder has anyone else encounterd this bug recently: When i upload an avatar it works and functions well on pc/desktop but VR users see my avatar twice like overlapping? Im not sure why it does this or if theres anyway to fix it

[ornate stump]

Sounds like a shader issue. So provide detail what shader you're using.

[somber sequoia]

would have to see what you're doing. how are you testing?

[halcyon zenith]

the shader im using is poiyomi toon 7.3.5.0

[somber sequoia]

9 is out, btw

[ornate stump]

Try creating a new material and manually setup the shader.

[halcyon zenith]

i get this error whenever i try and add the shader to it: Failed to create material drawer ThryHeaderLabel with arguments 'Additive Blending, 13'

[ornate stump]

You might be using old package for poiyomi. You'd have to upgrade it.

[halcyon zenith]

ill do that and reupload, should i erase the old poiyomi folder before adding the new one? i hear things can break if i dont

[ornate stump]

Sure delete it first.

[somber sequoia]

poiyomi.com has instructions, I think they do say that, been a while though

[halcyon zenith]

thanks 💕 ill see if updating the package fixes the issue

[quaint hound]

anyone know how to finetune the alignment on pickupables contact/attachment on my avatar

[somber sequoia]

You move the constraint target to where you want the gun to be

[quaint hound]

(moving the colliders under avatar descriptor did not do anything

[quaint hound]

its a vrc pickupable, not a avatar thing

[somber sequoia]

oh that's a world object?

[quaint hound]

yea

has been the entire time lol

world objects are offset on my avatar for some reason

works with others though (theyre more aligned idk

i moved the contact/colliders of my hand back to see if it changes anything but it doesnt

[spark walrus]

why is it so shiny?

[halcyon zenith]

after updating poi i tried to add the material and i get this warning: Failed to create material drawer ThryRGBAPacker with arguments '1, Mask, Bias, 1'

[somber sequoia]

have you tried changing values in the material at all?

[spark walrus]

yes

[quaint hound]

those are scuffed normals

[spark walrus]

what does that mean?

and also

what are these teal files for?

[somber sequoia]

give us the full filenames

[somber sequoia]

no idea

[ornate stump]

Also make sure that there isn't any folder with Thry in name inside of Assets folder.

[quaint hound]

send us those purple textures

theyre whats causing it

[spark walrus]

ok

[somber sequoia]

_n on a normal file suggests maybe _r is roughness on that other one

[ornate stump]

Texture type has to be change to normal map.

[spark walrus]

might be the standard shader

arent they by default>?

[somber sequoia]

oh yes, probably this

[quaint hound]

also... that normal map looks VERY intense

[ornate stump]

No.

[quaint hound]

make sure its set to a normal map and try to lower the intensity

[spark walrus]

i never changed nroomal map type

[ornate stump]

Default imported textures are color texture.

[frank spruce]

So I set up my gogo and now my character is stuck moving around like this. Any ideas?

[ornate stump]

Now you do. Change the texture settings above.

[spark walrus]

i click these purple files and>?

[somber sequoia]

go look in the inspector and do as instructed

[ornate stump]

See texture setting, change type.

[halcyon zenith]

i removed everything with thry and the console gives a new warnning: Failed to create MaterialEnum, enum Thry.ColorMask not found should i ignore it?

[spark walrus]

where? @ornate stump

[ornate stump]

In inspector.

[somber sequoia]

...which version of unity is this?

[ornate stump]

What are file type of the texture?

At least, try disable sRGB.

[spark walrus]

dds

[somber sequoia]

ahh

[ornate stump]

So that's why the shader didn't warn about incorrect texture type.

[somber sequoia]

yeah I noticed that too

[spark walrus]

last time the normals were tga

i didnt do anything

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's a bit more common in the industry

less so now that PNG is ubiquitous though

[spark walrus]

do i need to convert the files>?

or can i fix it in unity>

[somber sequoia]

did you uncheck sRGB as instructed?

[spark walrus]

i did

[ornate stump]

Did disable sRGB make it look right?

[spark walrus]

it still looks wet

[ornate stump]

Screenshot again.

[somber meadow]

your smoothness is at 0.5 on the material

[somber meadow]

it'll also look like this if you don't have a roughness/smoothness map

just set smoothness to 0 if you don't have one

[ornate stump]

Should have noticed that the reflection looks more correct after disabing sRGB.

[spark walrus]

yes

yes blanke

is standard shader enough?

[wanton cedar]

do you guys think the eyes will fail if i leave them all rotated like this? the model came this way but i want to make sure if its okay or not

[spark walrus]

or do i need poi toon

[ornate stump]

If good enough for you then sure.

[somber sequoia]

shader choice is really up to you, whatever you want it to look like

[spark walrus]

wow ur so pro

[wanton cedar]

??

[somber sequoia]

eye bones should be vertical with 0 roll, for VRChat.

[spark walrus]

'realistic' lighting makes it dark for some reason

[wanton cedar]

Alright thanks, just had to double check

[ornate stump]

Because default scene has sun light shines from backside.

[spark walrus]

ok. Do i need the teal textures still?

[ornate stump]

That's irrelevant to the sun light.

[spark walrus]

what were they for?

[somber sequoia]

could you provide all of the filenames? no need for screenshots

[ornate stump]

No idea. Masks have different purpose depend on the creator. So ask the creator.

[somber sequoia]

way to make this hard to read.

[spark walrus]

all dds

[spark walrus]

i cant type them out

[somber sequoia]

I bet _r is roughness and _s is specular

not sure about _c though

_ao is definitely ambient occlusion

[ornate stump]

_c probably is color.

[somber sequoia]

oh of course it is

So yeah, if you want to build a full PBR material you might be able to use the rest of those.

[spark walrus]

where do i put th teal ones?

[somber sequoia]

look at what I said about the filenames

[spark walrus]

there is smoohtness only

[somber sequoia]

smoothness is the opposite of roughness. Some shaders support roughness directly

[wanton cedar]

theres supposed to be like another bone on the eye, yes?

[somber sequoia]

I really don't know what I'm looking at here

[spark walrus]

no slot to put it in

[somber sequoia]

Not on the Standard shader, no

[wanton cedar]

thats his eye

[somber sequoia]

I can see the eye

[spark walrus]

ok

[somber sequoia]

I can't make sense of what bones there are from that view or what you're asking

[wanton cedar]

help?

[somber sequoia]

... with what?

[wanton cedar]

seeing the bones

[somber sequoia]

this is a better view, I can see bones now

[wanton cedar]

so is there supposed to be another bone on the front of back of the eye?

well, eye bone

[somber sequoia]

for what?

[junior void]

No

[somber sequoia]

you need just one bone for an eye, veritcal

[junior void]

The bone should stand upright though

[wanton cedar]

I swore ive seen tons of models with 2 bones per eye

[somber sequoia]

sure, there are various reasons you can do that if you want

[spark walrus]

it is specular map @somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

"it"?

[spark walrus]

yes the file

[ornate stump]

It's usually one bone for modeling, and another for vrc eyetracking.

[somber sequoia]

"the file" - you showed a list of like 20

[spark walrus]

smoothness is in specular highlights tab

[wanton cedar]

So we mainly just need one vertical bone on each eye?

[ornate stump]

VRC would use only that.

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea what you're trying to tell me

[wanton cedar]

Ah

thats interesting

[spark walrus]

ok i cant find it

the roughness slot

in poi toon

[ornate stump]

Other bones depend on you how you would use it. If not then it's just a dead weight on your avatar perf stat.

[somber sequoia]

oh so we're onto a completely different topic you didn't mention at all, okay.

[spark walrus]

im trying to find the slot to drop the teal file

[somber sequoia]

Shading -> reflections and specular -> smoothness (and you can invert it if you feed in a roughness file)

[wanton cedar]

so in a nutshell, if no one has any eye tracking then you just need the vertical bones? Correct

[ornate stump]

Rather you need the vertical bone for vrc eyetracking.

[jolly kayak]

wait is that hitler

not even joking 😭

[somber sequoia]

oh boy

[wanton cedar]

oh my god it is

[junior void]

The hell?

[spark walrus]

random man

with mustach

[wanton cedar]

That hairstyle tho

[junior void]

Right

[wanton cedar]

he looks just like him

same with the eyes

[jolly kayak]

those eagle textures look really close to the ww2 german officer eagle pin just sayin

[spark walrus]

that's where to put it right?

[somber sequoia]

poiyomi.com has a whole lot of documentation on this 🙂

[wanton cedar]

bro is not making hitler lmfao

[spark walrus]

found it

[wanton cedar]

ty btw

[spark walrus]

u had t o expand

i confirm merge and see no difference

maybe 1 % difference

transparent...

from inside

[junior void]

turn off backface culling

do you look up anything on your own?

[spark walrus]

send me tutorial

[junior void]

https://www.poiyomi.com/intro

[spark walrus]

backface culling determines if it goes clock wise or against

[junior void]

or www.google.com

...

[spark walrus]

hol,d on let me fix

fixed

thx, without this code word i woudlnt have known how to search 😄

[junior void]

You know, you can just google "mesh in unity is seethrough from behind" - you WILL find posts on reddit and what not pointing you into the same direction

[spark walrus]

yes would have takenb longer

thx guys

i think a bug

[halcyon zenith]

i reuploaded with a new poiyomi version and the issue still happens, im not sure if its unity version or a script or setting i can change

maybe this avatar is just broken, the shader issue still happens even when updating it, and unity isnt telling me whats going wrong it just fails

the only other thing i can think of is opening a new fresh project in a diffrient version of unity

[junior void]

I'd try asking in the poi discord directly. If anybody knows where to look, its them

[round pewter]

question
m making a 2 handed weapon with constraints and was wondering if there is a way to move where on the weapon the main hand is attached
ive found one way which is making a float animation and using a radial puppet but im trying to get it working without opening the menu

basically im trying to make it so that when i make a gesture the staff locks in the world so i can move my main hand up or down it and then when i release that geature it doesnt return to its rest

[oblique fable]

okay so i just finished editing an avi in blneder, just added a shirt and some pants and I did the sculpting and weight painting, how do I import it to unity then upload it? I keep forgetting how to

[ornate stump]

Export as fbx file. Setting Apply Scaling: FBX all, and Apply Transform.

[oblique fable]

gotcha now is there anything i need to do before I can upload it?

[ornate stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8

[quaint hound]

anyone have a clue why the add property button is greyed out?

[ornate stump]

Because you didn't make it focus on an object with animator component in the scene.

[quaint hound]

im trying to edit a vrcfury prefab so

uh

D:

[ornate stump]

Not sure how that has anything to do with animation.

[quaint hound]

it doesnt have an animator component anywhere

as it only gets merged with the main avatars controller when building

[ornate stump]

You're editing the blank animation. And I can't collate it how it relate to vrcfury prefab.

[quaint hound]

i cant edit the animation

if theres no animation controller

[ornate stump]

You need to create animator controller and put in the avatar in order to do animation editing.

[rotund coral]

anyone know why when i have uploaded a PC/quest avi 3 days later the quest version is removed ?

[ornate stump]

How did you know it's removed?

[rotund coral]

when i logged into quest i was a robot

the pc version was still good but quest wasnt but was the day before

[ornate stump]

Can you check the quest platform icon of the avatar?

[rotund coral]

just reuploaded the quest version

[halcyon zenith]

unfortunately after getting some help i still dont have a solution to this bug and it only affects the right lens in vr ( and for others in vr) .. in destop and on the left side of the eye it would be straight so im not sure whats affecting that

maybe the version of unity or a script somewhere

[junior void]

You can only find out by starting to remove stuff. Is it REALLY the shader? What if you use another shader? You need to start decimating and trying it until the issue disappears and narrow it down. Personally id try a fresh project because affecting only one lens sounds like a vr thing, not like a shader thing

[halcyon zenith]

ill try another version of unity and start over and see if i upload it then if the issue will persist becuase i do feel like the version i was using was older so maybe there was some incompatibility

[timber trail]

@ornate stump Thank you for pointing me in the direction of Poiyomi, I finally got the effect I was going for.

[arctic dagger]

hello again gang ! it is i. i have a wonderful avi goin so far but the leg?? does this?? specifically in halfbody when not standing perfectly straight... ???, if im using fbt it works fine , pc crouch / lay works fine, not sure why its tweakin on me

[ivory skiff]

Here I made two layers in one animator, but for some reason it works only one, that is, the emotions of the second layer work, but the first (main) is not, tell me what to do

Here's a diagram of the first layer

And the second one

I just don't know how it works fully and completely, I haven't figured it out, to put it simply.

[cinder flicker]

bump

[spark walrus]

my model isnt standing upo in edit mode
how to fix that?

[halcyon zenith]

After updating unity and poiyomi the console throws the error: Shader error in 'Hidden/Locked/.poiyomi/Poiyomi 7.3/• Poiyomi Toon •/d70a3da43cd4d3f48bceda1e87fe259e': Couldn't open include file '/CGI_PoiVertexManipulations.cginc'. at Assets/Tundra by fatherbambi/Other(FBX HERE)/Misc/Scarlett Hotdog Dick V2.1/SPS Version (Requires VRC Fury)/SPS Materials/OptimizedShaders/Dick Dark SPP SPS/CGI_PoiPass.cginc(17)

along with other cginc errors..should i just remove the ones that cant be used or will that break the avatar more?

[exotic karma]

how do i put 2 different shaders on a toggle in the radial menu, i use vrcfury

[cursive elbow]

how do i delete contacts

[somber sequoia]

find the component and remove it?

[lilac musk]

Animation controllers work from the top, down. This means if a property is being animated on the first layer, then again on the second layer. Then the second layer's change is what will be seen. So if I have a prop toggle on in the first layer, then the same prop toggle off on the second layer, then the final result is the prop will be off.

[long sierra]

I got it working for the first outfit

[somber sequoia]

that's a start!

[long sierra]

Maybe I should put each outfit on a separate layer?

[somber sequoia]

if only one can be on at a time, I'd put them all on the same one

[long sierra]

Yeah, only one can be on at once

And also they all use the same conditions. Shoes = 1, and Clothes = outfit number, the default outfit has WD on, and I had each outfit set Shoes to 1

All of the transitions to ShoesOff have the Shoes = 0 condition, but when it switches outfits, the shoes are hidden. Could the fact that the Clothes and Shoes layers use masks be the issue? They're on FX layer

[somber sequoia]

you shouldn't need any masks here at all

[long sierra]

I do think it's weird that it does that, but maybe I should put Clothes and Shoes on the same layer?

[somber sequoia]

I wouldn't know without seeing it

[somber sequoia]

yeah but without knowing transition conditions, it's hard to follow the logic

that's why I drew you a picture yesterday

[long sierra]

look on the right side

[somber sequoia]

yes but that's one of 12

[long sierra]

I did try having all of the meshes merged and change the textures instead, but that resulted in everything toggled off being visible, but translucent

[somber sequoia]

I usually do this stuff with UV tile discarding in a direct blend tree

[long sierra]

the other 12 are the same between the outfits, except the Clothes condition is per outfit (0 for Wiimake, 1 for LV, 2 for Summer)

I put the New State with the Shoes = 1 condition before the rest of it, lemme see if that works (like in your picture)

Got the sandals to show up, but they can't be toggled off

the tree seems to work but the animations don't play

[somber sequoia]

you don't seem to have transitions to "everything off"

[long sierra]

Got the sandals toggle working

[long sierra]

That's what BarePaws is for

[somber sequoia]

oh I see

[long sierra]

I figured it out

the LVOutfit animation accidentally had the shoes disabled in a keyframe lmao

[somber sequoia]

ha!

[exotic karma]

why does my camera location not show up?

even when i click edit

[ornate stump]

#avatar-help message

[quaint hound]

make sure gizmos are toggled ON

ALSO

im here for a questionio :3

since yall like mine so much

what the HECK are these used for

like, what do i put in FX, what in Base, what in Gesture, etc

[balmy barn]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers reading time

[quaint hound]

i don wanna reaaaddd

😭

does it have pictures i like picture books

[static cipher]

I'm currently trying to get a character's arms to be animated into one place using an animation via one of these, but only the Blendshape seems to modify. Previously, I thought the issue was that it was only in the FX layer and not the Action layer, but now that it's in both the FX and Action layers it still doesn't move the arms to where they are supposed to be. Does anyone know what a solution could be?

[static cipher]

Basically, Gesture just changes your avatar's movement for "Gestures", Action changes your avatar's movement for actions like moving and stuff, and FX is for stuff like Blendshapes (which are like for scaling different body parts n stuff), or particles n things.

The things that are shown (the Ayla Gesture, the GoLocoActionWD, and the Ayla FX) are what are called Animation Layers, which when you click them, you can double-click their location in the Project tab to open up the Animator, which is the thing that controls each of their respective things.

[static cipher]

@quaint hound hopefully this is less reading than the entire article

[quaint hound]

thanks mister scug

you saved me from reading god awful docs

So just stuff everything into fx

Got it

[static cipher]

well, sort of

all i know is that you can't move the body parts using fx, but you can using action, and i bet there's some really annoying inner stuff similar to that all over the place

heck, i haven't figured out my arm movement yet so that they don't look like an eldritch horror

[quaint hound]

yea im just using it to toggle a cowboy hat so ima stick to fx

[cursive mason]

hey i just bought my first avatar wondering if anyone is willing to help me download it all this downloading and stuff is overstimulating my brain like crazy and im super confused

dm me if you can please !

[zealous sail]

I have an avatar with a prop toggle and I want their hand to stay posed and wrapped around it when the prop is on. How do I get it to do that and ignore any hand gestures?

[subtle sigil]

i'm trying to change the publish platform to android

but it just stays on windows

it doesn't do anything

[runic sonnet]

Does anyone have liltoon file to add into VCC

i can't seem to find it 💀

or a github

[ornate stump]

https://lilxyzw.github.io/lilToon/ja_JP/

[somber sequoia]

You aren't showing if you take over animation of the arms - you need to use this: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control

[runic sonnet]

ty!

[icy comet]

seeing this popup on the inspector menu yet i cant see any way to change it

[ornate stump]

Have you set model rigging to humanoid?

[icy comet]

like i said i cant find any way to do that

this is my first time making an avatar

[ornate stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8

[spark walrus]

ok so i discovered that gogo loco might broke my avatar because without gogo the avatars right hand remains ok but once i apply gogo to my avi vrc fury gives me this particual message which i think is the problem...but how do i fix?

[ornate stump]

You need to be aware of whether your avatar is using write default in animator or not. Then choose gogoloco with correct WD option.

[spark walrus]

might i know where to go pls... i have 0 clue on where to touch

[ornate stump]

Check animation states you added to controller and see if states have Write Default enabled.

[spark walrus]

so here

[ornate stump]

You're looking at animator layer.

[ornate stump]

Animation state is the rectangle that you make transition to and from.

[spark walrus]

?

this?

[ornate stump]

Do you see the option I mentioned?

[junior void]

Sometimes you're very dull and I enjoy watching the blatant straight forwardness

[spark walrus]

wait

this?

[ornate stump]

Yes. And you will have to check states in other layers too.

[spark walrus]

should it not or should it be checked

[ornate stump]

Look for majority of them.

[spark walrus]

on the hand that is breaks which is the right one

[spark walrus]

the write defaults off

[ornate stump]

You will have to see the rest of state in other layer and try to make it match with the majority.

[spark walrus]

also left hand ecc?

[ornate stump]

Yes

[ornate stump]

In my mind, I could be more abrasive like a drill sergeant for software engineer. I'm holding myself.

[spark walrus]

ok i checked all all of the others but the gun are off

[junior void]

I'm waiting for the day when you snap. It'll definitely not be pretty, but fun haha

[spark walrus]

on fx however...

[ornate stump]

So whatever states you added you will have to matched it with whatever exist before.

[spark walrus]

in the guns and hat the write defaults are enabled

[spark walrus]

but however in other actions no

[spark walrus]

at least in the FX file

[ornate stump]

Did you also customize your action layer?

[spark walrus]

what you mean?

[ornate stump]

What did you mean "other actions"?

[spark walrus]

like im on controlles

[spark walrus]

and

also there some options on fx too..

but i saw vrc fury mentioning fx

[ornate stump]

You mean other controller.

[spark walrus]

yeah controllers

that error

might be the problem

most likely

[ornate stump]

"Not error"

[spark walrus]

but it mentions fx

isnt it error?

[ornate stump]

It's a notice.

To inform you that something might not be right.

[halcyon zenith]

after much testing and little help i have determined that the avatar is just broken internally and theres nothinh you can do about the double vision glitch

[ornate stump]

You FX has almost the same amount of WD on and off state.

[spark walrus]

which is good or bad?...

[ornate stump]

I wouldn't mention it if it's fine.

[spark walrus]

what why

[ornate stump]

As the dialog said.

[junior void]

Didn't we establish that you should make it use whatever the avi came with?

[spark walrus]

its not..

so should i put off the write defaults from the guns

gun off

or..

[ornate stump]

Should make it matchs with other states that came with the avatar.

[junior void]

I think you are missing what "write defaults" does

[spark walrus]

thats the thing the avatar came probably like this or did gogo loco change something?

[ornate stump]

Gogoloco or vrcfury shouldn't change anything in that's an asset.

[spark walrus]

but i noticed that when i apply gogo loco 1.8.6 the model breaks if i dont apply it the model does not thats the whole problem

[ornate stump]

So the problem is mixing WD on and off. Adding gogoloco just makes the hidden issue appear.

[spark walrus]

but the model came already mixed..

[ornate stump]

That is a hidden issue. So until something else touched that issue, the issue appears.

So do like this: add VRCFury Fix Write Default component to the avatar root object. And set write default to on, test, and set to off, then test. See whether break the avatar.

[hard turtle]

Anyone ever sold avatar bases on gumroad? just wanna chat about how to navigate it all and all that what is and what isnt plagirism blah blah blah

[spark walrus]

so when vrc fury asks me to autofix i click autofix and see what happens?

[ornate stump]

No, not that dialog.

[spark walrus]

is it a tool

or something

[limber iris]

Hi, my avatar turns into this when I switch in play mode in unity .. What can I do to fix it?

[ornate stump]

It's a component.

To add to a game object.

[spark walrus]

like a prefab?

[ornate stump]

Like avatar descriptor.

[spark walrus]

oh

[ornate stump]

Did you unpack your model prefab in the scene?

[spark walrus]

could this be then problem?

[ornate stump]

You didn't read my instruction through.

[limber iris]

No I did not, it's still a complete prefab. What I did was exporting the fbx to blender and then reimporting it after I added a blend shape.

Is it necessary to unpack it?

[spark walrus]

how do i add the component to the root?

[ornate stump]

Must not unpack. Just making sure, is it fbx prefab or original prefab?

[ornate stump]

Didn't you already add one in your image above?

[spark walrus]

should i force it on?

[ornate stump]

add VRCFury Fix Write Default component to the avatar root object. And set write default to on, test, and set to off, then test. See whether break the avatar.

[spark walrus]

ok i added that component and forced it on lets see what happens

[limber iris]

I imported the files and uploaded it worked.

Then I exported the fbx to add a blend shape. After reimporting and switching into Playmode like with the avatar gesture emulator it looks like the "stickman"

[ornate stump]

Because if it's fbx prefab, it should update the model correctly when it's in playmode. Otherwise, it isn't. Can you screenshot the object icon from the hierarchy?

[ornate stump]

It's prefab variant. You will need to select it and see in inspector to see which prefab it derived from.

[junior void]

Stick man sounds like fbx scaling set to all local instead of fbx all

[ornate stump]

It is. Just making sure that the model in the scene still is fbx prefab too.

Overwriting on unpacked fbx might break it all.

[junior void]

yea

[limber iris]

If I open it, it says in the prefab line "Makoto Variant" and if I click open it leads me to the Makoto FBX which is the one I exported/reimported.

Yeah the videos I watched on how to export it from Blender said it needs to be set to all local.

I can try it again with the All FBX setting for exporting from Blender.

Thank you all, I'll tell if it worked soon.

[junior void]

The scaling depends on whatever the original used

You cant just say every avatar needs xyz

[ornate stump]

Most of the time it's FBX All to get object scale correct to 1. Otherwise, the scale will become 100.

[limber iris]

Oh okay, so its possible to see somewhere what was used in the original?

[ornate stump]

Most of the time, in unity, just looking at Armature object and see its scale.

[limber iris]

Oh okay, well I did not made a backup of the original fbx in the project 😅 so i need to reimport it. Thanks I look it up and try it out.

[royal epoch]

hello people of discord i was wondering if anyone could help me make this into a avatar form scratch like guide me and stuff over voice call and point out any mistakes i make also i already have blender and unity on pc if that helps

[junior void]

My turns: How do I best fix bone roll? I'm animating my hands and see now that apparently my index fingers have roll. It causes the open hand gesture to look a little weird. Never had this problem before
Edit: Fixed it without fbx or animation errors - yes, im very proud of myself xD

[halcyon zenith]

If anyone has an explanation for this specific issue please share because im at a loss for words after updating everything from unity to the sdk this glitch still happens in vr only

[somber sequoia]

Hahah same

(I have had basically this job in the past too)

[left gull]

what shader are you using for it currently? usually this only happens if the shader on the model is "broken"/ outdated

[halcyon zenith]

Im using the latest poiyomi toon

Before it had an outdated version that i removed and replaced with the current version

[left gull]

have you tried seeing if it happens with other shaders (vrchats base shaders for example)

[halcyon zenith]

I haven’t tried that yet, I’ll replace the body and head to first to see if it was either of those before i start swapping everything out again

Because after importing the new updated package it still defaulted to old version so im not sure if its supposed to do that but changing the shader to the current one makes the body have this shine effect around the edges

[left gull]

if your poi is being weird you should ask about it in the poiyomi discord, idk how their updating works all that well

[halcyon zenith]

Whats crazy is that i have reached out to the discord and no one really knows, so im stumped

[somber sequoia]

Materials won't magically be changed when you swap shader versions, you have to explicitly update them. And definitely unlock before.

[halcyon zenith]

Ok so i have to manually do that myself thats fine thats the last thing i could try tbh

[somber sequoia]

I know in 8->9 there's an actual upgrade button in the shader, I haven't done a 7->9 in a while though, so I don't recall that being there.

(a number of things got moved around or replaced in 9)

[halcyon zenith]

So could the update itself be the issue? Like maybe it’s corrupted or something.

[somber sequoia]

I'm not entirely sure, but I'd probably just re-make the material with 9, it's easy enough

[halcyon zenith]

Ill do that as one of the last resorts if that doesn’t work i think i just gotta take the L on this avatar

[somber sequoia]

it's probably way easier than any other arguing with it

[halcyon zenith]

I made a new material and put the new poiyomi on it hopefully swapping the body material solves it if not Ill throw it away

[vapid saffron]

Hello I just wanted to ask if anyone here knows how to disable the default vrchat sitting animation so youre able to do your fullbody movements while sitting on a chair (preferably not using gogoloco)

[somber sequoia]

in-game in the "big settings", under the tracking and IK tab, check FBT Locomotion Animation

[limber iris]

@junior void @ornate stump sorry for the ping, but thanks a lot both of you. Now it works perfectly :D

[halcyon zenith]

it had nothing to do with the shaders....its fixed after i updated unity WTH

im more confused now

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm having an issue with my UVs seeming to be totally wrong in Unity, it doesn't seem to be a tiling/texture offset issue, and I only have 1 UV map.. I can't even get the model to look this way in blender

it looks totally fine in blender

[halcyon zenith]

ill take my W and move on thank you for anyone that tried to help i learned a thing or 2

[arctic ginkgo]

i didn't want to put too much work into this either bc i'm just making a kitbash of some fnaf models with old models i made for my partner and their sister as a joke 😭

i'm just putting their heads on fnaf characters

hm apparently this is a known issue with unity when converting glb files to fbx in blender

which is exactly what i did

yeah all i had to do with flip the UVs upside down

what a weird quirk

OHH

i didn't even notice the uvs on the eyes were upside down

now i see it

[somber sequoia]

oh weird!

[static cipher]

Here's what it looks like with the off animation (the one i want to lock arms in place) and the on animation (the one i don't need to lock in arms place)

[somber sequoia]

ok cool

[static cipher]

I also have this at the bottom of each. The only difference between Off and On is that Goal Weight is 0 for off and Goal Weight is 1 for on.

So like, any idea why it could be not working even with that?

[subtle sigil]

Do physbones work on quest?

If i upload the same Pc model for Quest everything Works except the physbones

[somber sequoia]

Yes, though much limited

[subtle sigil]

What should i do then? They dont work at all

[somber sequoia]

well you'd have to figure out why - when building the quest one, do you get an error saying you have too many and they'll be removed?

[subtle sigil]

It usually says the recommended bones is 0

[somber sequoia]

it's not wrong, they do have a performance impact

[subtle sigil]

Damn

[glass condor]

uhh I need help. My character's foot is doing this in pose mode in blender. Thing is, I removed the weight paints in the boots to where they're both dark blue on the edges, yet its still attached?

[somber sequoia]

looks like a weight painting issue to me

[glass condor]

I also noticed the vertexes are like this

I tried weight painting, but I don't think I did it right...

[somber sequoia]

yeah definitely weight painting. The highlighted points are because you have it in vertex selection mode, hit '2' to disable that

[glass condor]

2 doesn't do anything, I just hit v again to disable the vertexes

[somber sequoia]

ah maybe that's not it, but that's what does it for me

wait, what does 'v' do?

[spark walrus]

Does anyone know how I could add a toggle like for example a chair that just stays in the world but it doesn’t move along with my avatar/isn’t connected? I believe it’s called a stationary toggle?

[glass condor]

v just disables/enables vertex view

[glass condor]

but any suggestions for the weight painting?

[somber sequoia]

in what mode? Also which version of Blender?

[glass condor]

Blender 3.6 so I can have a functioning CATS 😥

[somber sequoia]

hmmm... I tend to paint with a tablet with weight = 1 and strength = .02 and pressure sensitivity on. Otherwise, not a lot of tips really? You just have to practice.

[somber sequoia]

you can have cats with 4.2 if you feel you really need it. There have been links posted to the new version in here, a lot.

[indigo compass]

They do and you can have 8 components and 64 bones affected by these components, I wouldn't call it limited.
Quest could certainly do more, physbones are surprisingly performant.

And when it comes to syncing them then I think you have to keep them in the same spot and the same order in the hierarchy.
If you are using a different amount of physbones between the version then there will definitely be issues.

[glass condor]

I'll figure it out later, I just wanna understand why it's like this even though I moved the weights

[junior void]

It looks like another bone is affecting it

[subtle sigil]

I'm pretty sure everything is according to that