avatar-general

[terse robin]

once you select the puppet menu it comes right back up if you toggle the expression menu

so you're only one click away

[low whale]

Yeah I mean it's not like, unusable or anything I guess

[terse robin]

I think if I did expressions with hand gestures I'd have to at least use chording, and probably a HUD that showed my face to know wtf I'm doing

[half rover]

thing about the Oculus trigger is that it takes a bit of pressure to reach its "resting" pressure.

[low whale]

How long have you been playing?

[terse robin]

not long

[half rover]

yeah, this is what I'm currently aiming for. Chords aren't working the way I'm expecting them to, though

[low whale]

By now gestures are second nature and I know what they all do on my most used avatars. It's not as easy if you switch avatars a lot, but you can always point the camera at yourself I guess. It takes a while to build up the muscle memory, and the actual memory

[terse robin]

also index controllers might be harder to use in this way. I haven't tried it with any touch variant yet

[low whale]

Maybe, I've never used them

When I do a hand pose there's no doubt that I'm doing the one I'm doing on touch at least

[terse robin]

yeah, part of the issue may be that I've only tried existing avatars with expressions. some of the defaults are just hard to get used to, like relaxed hands leading to a eyes squeezed shut expression

[half rover]

the Nanachis I've used seem to default to blushing the moment you go to move around

[low whale]

If you keep your fingers on the controller it won't do that

[half rover]

okay, I think I found part of the issue: I think it's the Touch controller itself has a capacitive zone on the face of the button. Only thing is, if you rest your finger on the rim of the button, it doesn't register

[coral wind]

hey im looking for a movie acurate carnage for venom let there be carnage avatar

[hasty hemlock]

you're unlikely to find a movie accurate version unless there's a tie in video game

[coral wind]

oh

ight

[hasty hemlock]

because like all the Spider-Man avatars running around are from video games

[coral wind]

ight

[half rover]

okay, so this is slightly annoying: resting on the trigger and pressing the grip is the same gesture as holding the trigger and pressing the grip.

are "gestures" the only way to take input from the controllers to the game?

[agile solar]

On Oculus, I believe so. I thought resting your finger on the trigger was the default hand gesture?

[low whale]

For fist, you can either press the trigger or not, it doesn't care. As long as your fingers are down and you're pressing the grip. You can have your thumb on the thumbstick instead of on the capacitive sensor, also.

[agile solar]

Sadly, the trigger sensitivity on my right Rift S controller is slowly dulling.

[half rover]

For fist, you can either press the trigger or not

This is the issue I'm having now in trying to plan out my gesture chords

since inversely, it means I can't press the grip, then press the trigger to activate a different gesture

[low whale]

That's not going to work, one hand can only do one gesture. And if pressing the grip isn't part of it, you won't be doing that gesture if you try to do it with the grip down. Or even if it is part of it, gestureweight won't work except for fist. Once again, if you want to use pressure for all your expressions, you need to use gestureweight from the opposite hand so you can do the gesture on one hand and apply pressure on the other.

[half rover]

oh, I'm not looking to use gesture weight, I'm just trying to make chords that run off of combinations of LT, LG, RT, and RG

[low whale]

Two-handed combinations of gestures? Well, you don't need to do anything too special for that, really. Refer to the docs I posted to see what each gesture is and decide what combination you want to use, then refer to the other link I posted for the corresponding values to use in your transitions. You'll need a bit more understanding of how transitions work compared to setting up single hand gestures though. Alternatively if two handed gestures are what you want, I highly recommend Hai's combo gesture expressions tool which can set that up for you and more, it's very handy: https://github.com/hai-vr/combo-gesture-expressions-av3

[half rover]

oh, I'm just complaining that essentially for each hand, all I have is effectively three "states": Natural rest, only the trigger pressed, and grip pressed. I've basically just found out that I've lost a fourth "state": both trigger and grip pressed

[low whale]

You have seven possible gestures to play with, each with different combinations of the thumb, index finger, and middle finger either pressing a button, resting on a button (or thumbstick/pressure sensor), or lifted up off the controller. You can only check the gesture value corresponding with those seven gestures, but it's certainly more than three

[half rover]

but even with those seven possible gestures, I only have three "states": Nothing pressed (0/2/4), Trigger pressed (5), and Grip pressed (1/3/6/7)

[fossil terrace]

is there a chat where i can request avatars because i made 3d models i just dunno how to like make moving limbs and post it

[half rover]

once you go outside those three states, you're literally requiring lifting your finger off the controller, rather than simply pressing/releasing a button, as an input

[half rover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730948173379535022/889338381933375488/Screenshot_108.png best I can think of for a series of gestures

[magic surge]

i downloaded the sdk and had a few errors, is that normal

like i fixed them its fine

[green bone]

how is an oculus avatar with 30000 vertices let through but an oculus avatar with 2 textured meshes not.

ok maybe not 30000 but still alot.

[graceful nest]

30000 verticies is 10000 triangles, which is good rank on quest lol

each separate mesh and each separate material slot is an extra draw call

you ideally want as few draw calls as possible for performance

[green bone]

but the fact that even with 2 textures on 1 mesh wont allow it to be published is annoying.

[green bone]

and why no transparency on oculus

that really grinds my gears

[spare canopy]

wait what, do you mean 2 materials
you can publish quest avis even with too high of a material count right, it’s just immediately verypoor is all?

[green bone]

it has to be good or you cant publish it for oculus

right?

thats what unity has been complaining to me about every time

[spare canopy]

i don’t make quest content myself but I watched someone do it, they had far too many meshes and materials and could still upload for android just fine. you just get set as verypoor meaning quest users have to manually show you i think

[green bone]

i convert any avatar i make into quest so i dont have the problem of people not seeing my avatar as it should be.

[spare canopy]

combine materials in blender

[green bone]

thats not the problem

the problem is some parts should be shiny or smth, or transparent, but instead theyre all the same

[spare canopy]

there’s no standard lite shader for mobile? where you can put in like metallic maps and such?
for transparency you’ll probably have to cut the mesh in blender since it’s not supported in shader

[green bone]

have to cut the mesh

Thats the problem, you cant have multiple meshes on a oculus avatar, wont let ya publish

besides, that wont fix the transparency issue

[spare canopy]

what are you trying to make transparent

[green bone]

oculus doesnt support transparency, and to answer your question, a visor

[low whale]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

You can have 2 and still be medium, but it won't stop you from uploading anyway as ksivl said, you may just be very poor and hidden by default

[spare canopy]

cutting the mesh works for say an eyebrow or blush that’s on a transparent plane, but i wouldn’t think how to go about a visor, hm

[green bone]

wait wait wait

what the duck

it didnt allow me to publish it before

da duck

[low whale]

You used to be able to cheat and get a form of transparency (albeit not ideal) by using the particle shaders on quest, but from what I have heard they have all been broken for a while (haven't checked myself though)

[half rover]

Does not having two textures include an illumination map?

[low whale]

Textures are not part of performance rankings, only material slots

So you can have as many maps/masks as necessary on your materials

[eternal bear]

Is the CoffeeTaunts menu on SpiritedSpy's avatars a public thing I can put on my avatars or is it just a thing they made for their avatars?

Like, I know I can make my own I just thought it'd be easier to use an existing submenu I can add

I would ask them but I don't want to bother them.

[graceful nest]

that's only for fallbacks

[graceful nest]

Kinda weird for you to assume anyone of us except spirited spy knows what that is specifically

Just ask them directly

[eternal bear]

alright

[cedar plume]

I'm missing menu options in the VRCSDK menu

[fluid grotto]

That typically means you have console errors

[cedar plume]

I'm not sure why that's the case I just downloaded the unity 2019 version and the new sdk

[neon finch]

Make sure its the correct version, 2019.4.30f1

[cedar plume]

it is

[neon finch]

make sure your in a whole new project

[fluid grotto]

Well the easiest way to make sure is to check your console and see if there are errors

[cedar plume]

well I can do a screenshot

[fluid grotto]

There is a button to hide all logs and warnings and only show the errors

There will usually be way too many logs and warnings so the errors won’t be visible (red)

[cedar plume]

there are 472 errors

is it ok If I dm you the image I can't seem to do it here?

[fluid grotto]

Put it in #avatar-help

[cedar plume]

done

thanks

[echo tartan]

Whats da coffe thing do

[eternal bear]

It's just a submenu with alot of emotes

[echo tartan]

ah welp

probs half of them are public

I know a few unitypackages that bring packs of animation submenus tho

[eternal bear]

That's what I'm looking for cause I'm not good with the controller and menu system stuff

I know how to attach the submenus and stuff but that's all I'm confident with lol

[past badge]

when upgrading a project from 2019.4.29f1 to 2019.4.30f1.. do you have to do anything special?

kinda had to do a few steps for 2018.4.20f1 -> 2019.4.29f1, just not sure if you have to do the exact same thing again or if it's more compatible and I won't have to do anything.

[hasty hemlock]

nope just open it in the new Unity version

[past badge]

nice.

[eternal bear]

Could you share them with me?

Nvm found one

[echo tartan]

gg

[proven jetty]

Just me or avis taking an eternity to upload into VRC today?

Nvm just needed to reload the game some reason

[silver otter]

So looking for clarification with spookality, do we absolutely need to make a quest compatible version?

Because what have have planned exceeds the quests limitations

[terse robin]

rules say it's not a requirement

[silver otter]

Alright that’s okay then I just dodged a bullet haha

[onyx igloo]

me just being lazy and not making quest versions

[vital hill]

yo if anyone here is willing to teach me how to do avatar stuffs if so please dm me

[crimson crescent]

What exactly is the info you might be looking for?

[vital hill]

Any XD

It’s just that the videos about it are too vague

[crimson crescent]

Like.. there's so much, you are going to have to be specific 😮

[vital hill]

Well right now I’m trying to figure out substance painter

But holy sh*t is that hard

(Idk if I can swear here)

[crimson crescent]

-Googles-

😫 Yeah that doesn't look like a fun time

I use Open Canvas for my textures, just easier x.x

[vital hill]

Ah I gotcha

But for unity stuff

I can do all the basic stuff like importing and uploading

But when it comes to ints and floats

And parameters

I lose my mind

[crimson crescent]

Oh that's not hard !

I have a great youtube channel I love watching for that, the guy is a great teacher! lemme find it

[vital hill]

Even like a cliff notes tutorial of all that would be amazing

[crimson crescent]

Like he is so amazing, I even think I could teach it now, he's really calm and slow when teaching

https://www.youtube.com/c/Aggrotard

Also if you need help with that stuff even more he has a discord listed on his YT

[vital hill]

Oh I’ve watched this mans

[crimson crescent]

Isn't he great XD

[vital hill]

He’s better then me XD

[crimson crescent]

Me too!

[vital hill]

Bruh

I’d prefer If I was in a call with someone

But I’ll try and see what happends

[half rover]

Say, would it be possible to have a "pet" that hovers over my shoulder, and does random idle animations? Tempted to try something like this with a Lowpoly Kon

[merry swan]

We have a random component now that can do it , make it 'dice' roll to set a random time play a random animation after

Only time i used it for so far is a random afk animation on my avatars

[fluid grotto]

Yeah you can do all kinds of crazy followers built into an avatar, you can even put a grounder on it and have it follow the world

[half rover]

How performance intensive would this be if I used a Kon-chan?

[hasty hemlock]

well that would essentially be using a whole second avatar on yourself

[half rover]

But she's Low Poly! No idea if that actually makes a difference

I guess best practice would be to optimize my base avatar first?

[hasty hemlock]

I guess the question is how low poly is she

[torn locust]

The issue is more draw calls, skinned meshes, and Dynamic bones/collision checks. Poly's are pretty easy for modern GPUs to crunch and Kon is no where enough polys to hurt anyones GPU. If you want to use a puppet, consider removing it's dynamic bones or at least it's collisions and make sure you're only using one material for your Kon. Not the best, but won't be death. additional skinned meshes suck but no way around that, least it's only one extra.

VRLabs has a free follower prefab that would work for what you want. Just replace the default cube with whatever. https://vrlabs.dev/item/follower

There are ways of doing this using shaders/vertex manipulation to create a copy of you that is purely shader but there are no perfabs and I'm not diving into that lol.

[silver otter]

No there’s too many limitations with quest and what I want to do won’t ever be compatible with quest

[hasty hemlock]

then hopefully found an avatar you like on the public fall backs

[silver otter]

I don’t hang out near quest people most of the avatars I own are below

[hasty hemlock]

yeah but PC users also see fallbacks

[silver otter]

Doesn’t really effect me I don’t wear very poor avatars

[hasty hemlock]

cool

[silver otter]

Even though I don’t believe in the avatar rating system

[hasty hemlock]

yeah but you're still stuck with it existing and how much stuff you cram on a Avatar does actually affect performance

[silver otter]

I make my stuff from scratch and generally work towards performance goals over a rating system I work towards keeping it performant

[hasty hemlock]

Fair

[urban viper]

I'm having problem with import VerticalBillboard to Unity

I copy paste the code into a new shader file, didn't work; put the shader into project folder, still can't apply it

I'm using Toocanzs's vertical billboard shader from github, how to import it to my project?

[subtle stratus]

is someone doing here avatars for free or selling?

[half rover]

Define "doing avatars". From scratch? Reskinning bases?

[tawny folio]

prob means like modeling from scratch

[half rover]

Welp, good luck with that

[onyx igloo]

Destiny 2 guardian ripped models are too hard to bother with setting up for quest because in blender youd have to split all the different shader colour points into seperate meshes for it to work with vrchats mobile shaders as they use two colours

[sacred kernel]

can someone help me get a totoro avatar?

[agile solar]

#avatar-search-old

I know I'm about 3 hours late, shush.

[pine ginkgo]

I saw someone clone themselves and their clone mimicked the same movements they did, anyone know what this is called? There was also one where they cloned themselves but the clone was frozen

[dreamy harness]

can someone help me find an avatar (i already posted in the avatar search but no-one seems to be in there lol)

[safe harbor]

Yo how do I fix the hands in game, thumbs always look weird af

I know about tweaking something in the muscles setting

[neon finch]

Question. Would anybody happen to know how to open a vmt. file in blender?

A valve texture file. Is there an add on that’s supposed to let you import it?

I can’t seem to find it.

[karmic totem]

VMT is a material file I am pretty sure, and I don't think so. You can convert all of the VTF files with VTFEdit.

[half rover]

I found a public avatar that has the ability to fly. Is that kosher to use? Or am I breaking the ToS?

[patent mural]

Who here could convert (or knows anyone who can) an already existing MMD Model to VRC for me. I've just ran into too many problems and kinda given up. I have the file. All I need is for someone to do Lip Sync and possible anything key that is missing for it to function in VRC. I have the Model link if anyone needs it.

[loud cape]

that works by having a collider below you that pushes the player's capsule up

shouldn't be anything TOS breaking afaik

[crimson crescent]

Have you tried to convert it in Blender via CATS

[patent mural]

CATS for some reason doesn't wanna upload to my addons

[crimson crescent]

Send file?

😮

[crimson crescent]

🙂

[silver adder]

Flying is only against ToS if you are using hacks to do it. Most avatars that have a flying mode built into them are abusing Unity physics using only whitelisted components.

[balmy stratus]

Omfg

I dont know what to dooooo

@silver adder how do i edit my avatars feet

Without her fucking blowing up in unity

:l

Since everyone is telling me u cant edit meshs that have shapekeys

Wait..

[silver adder]

...For one your in the wrong channel, two I'm not a rigging expert, three don't ping the last person to send a message in the channel for help please.

[balmy stratus]

The body has no shapekeys i even want..

I’lo just delete the shapekeys

[obtuse ferry]

https://dextrovr.gumroad.com/l/DexClone

[vague raft]

That system is a lot better than the system I believe they’re mentioning. Dex’s has a few really interesting features that the one they saw could never do if I’m right.

[neon finch]

Thank you btw

[neon finch]

can some one help me get an avatar into the game

[agile solar]

What kind of avatar?

[neon finch]

just a simple avatar i made on vroid

[agile solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggA0auQEF4

[neon finch]

i treid but doest work for me

[agile solar]

What do you mean?

[neon finch]

i tried youtube videos but it did not wor

[agile solar]

Well, why doesn't it work? 👀

[gusty marten]

do you have the 2018 unity?

[agile solar]

2019*

[gusty marten]

is it 2019 now? cause it wouldnt upload the sdk2 when i used 2019

[agile solar]

Yep, it's 2019 now.

Did you download the newest SDK build?

[gusty marten]

yeah but im not that trusted yet to upload my avatar so i guess ill find out when i get there

[agile solar]

Are you at least New User?

[midnight ibex]

I was wondering, is there a way to translate my viseme values into audiolink values?
Essentially I'm wanting to utilize audiolink, but also have the option of having it just use my audio when I talk/play music to do those animations/emissions/dissolves/etc.

[hard trail]

how to change the pov of the avatar?

[proven jetty]

In the avatar descriptor component click the edit button, zoom out to see where the little grey ball is. Then move that little grey ball to where you want you pov

[hard trail]

i cant see where is it

[proven jetty]

in the inspector @hard trail

assuming you have your avi selected in the hierarchy, and have added the descriptor component

the inspector is by default on the left side

[hard trail]

i sent a screenshot in #avatar-help

[solemn sky]

How do fallback avatars work? Are they just basically models with no menu capabilities at all?

Basically, If I make a low poly version of my current avatar, will menu toggles affect it at all? Or will it just stick with default everything?

[loud cape]

menu capabilities have nothing to do with this

it's just about the avatar's performance ranking

[solemn sky]

But if I basically duplicate my current avatar which has toggleable shirts and rotational styles, will the fallback reflect the changes I make?

Or will it just stick with whatever states/options are on by default?

[loud cape]

does the model have a rating of good or better even with all of the shirts?

because that's what matters here

the menu stuff has no impact here

[solemn sky]

Ideally, when I'm done it will be acceptable.

I just don't want to spend time remaking all the toggles and animations all over again, if they won't be affected by the main model's changes.

[loud cape]

if the parameters on the fallback version has the same names, then they will sync

but it will be hard to fit within the poly and material budget with extra outfits

[solemn sky]

Gotcha

[analog kettle]

hello, i am new here and i need help for know i can upload this avatar and not break rule.

anyone can help me ?

[strong shell]

what'cha talkin'bout willis

[analog kettle]

willis ?

[strong shell]

yes

[analog kettle]

i dont understand

i dont know i can upload the avatar is sfw or not ? i need know before upload

[strong shell]

if your avatar is naked, then it is against the rules, yes

[analog kettle]

i think can nude but not have secret zone

[strong shell]

what

[analog kettle]

i cant say the real word

[loud cape]

if you're trying to say what I think you're trying to say, then it most likely isn't suitable for public worlds.

[analog kettle]

look up

[analog kettle]

this

[strong shell]

genitals = against the rules

also you sound like you're 12

vrchat is 13+ so if you're under 13, that's against the rules too

[analog kettle]

nop, i am not english and i have 25 years

well, you cant help me seriously

[strong shell]

what else do you want

[analog kettle]

for not break rule

[strong shell]

read the rules https://hello.vrchat.com/community-guidelines

[analog kettle]

i know the rule, thanks

[strong shell]

then don't break them

and you'll be safe

[analog kettle]

yes thanks

but my question is not response, i think

one question for you @strong shell

[strong shell]

your question didn't really make sense

try explaining a bit more if the problem is the language

what is your main language

[analog kettle]

french

[strong shell]

I see, unfortunately I don't speak french, but try to do it in english

[analog kettle]

i use google translate

@strong shell you know avatar made by GHOSTLY ?

[strong shell]

no

[analog kettle]

oof

uhmm

i dont know what i have to do

modo can help me ? i dont know what more say 😥

[strong shell]

help you what

what do you want

[analog kettle]

just know the avatar not break rule

[strong shell]

naked = banned

genitals = banned

[analog kettle]

just this ?

[strong shell]

what more do you want

just read and follow the rules

[analog kettle]

yes but hard with this avatar to know

[strong shell]

how do you not know if it is naked

[analog kettle]

the model i say

[strong shell]

just look at it

is it naked? if yes, then it is against the rules

[analog kettle]

lol

[strong shell]

use your eyes

[analog kettle]

i think my eyes is broken x.x

well, thanks

[strong shell]

then you should probably go to the doctor

[analog kettle]

yeah you have right

thanks you, i fallow your advice

[neon finch]

sorry thet im late but i just can dowload evrything cus my laptop isnt thet strong and i cant find what to download aswell

[sage briar]

ok since 3d modeling chat dead

i still need help

with making socks moe

move along with body

wrong chat

[lavish hill]

what would be an unreasonable number of vertices for an avatar in blender?

[solemn sky]

Is there a library with VRC avatar accessories out there, akin to VRCArena?

[karmic totem]

I don't know of one specifically. You can go to booth.pm and look for things you like, there are free and paid items. Just make sure to read their terms of use to see if you are even allowed to use for something like what you want

[solemn sky]

Neat. Thanks

[hexed bobcat]

This is probably something that has been asked a lot but is there any way to get around the wait time to upload an avatar? I picked up VR chat at the suggestion of a friend who was showing me progress on their own avatar, and decided to dump a bunch of time into making my own despite not having played the game before (I've seen tons of videos on it though)

[strong shell]

buy vrc+

[hexed bobcat]

Ah, this is a premium feature?

[strong shell]

no

but if you buy it you get instant access

[hexed bobcat]

I see

[strong shell]

you doo need to have a vrchat account tho

i.e. if you are using only steam, you need to merge your account

[hexed bobcat]

Yes, I have the SDK set up and an account created

[strong shell]

ok

[hexed bobcat]

Another question, I'm reading I'm able to build and test an avatar offline, but I'm assuming that's only after I'm able to already upload an avatar to begin with, correct?

[strong shell]

I think so

[hearty merlin]

Been finishing up a model in blender and I'm having some trouble trying to apply textures neatly. Like I tried both smart UV mapping and just unwrapping but whatever I do the pieces are either chopped up so the texture is all over the place or it's all connected but some parts are super zoomed in.

This is my first 3D model btw so Ive been learning on the go

I basically feel like if you can paint directly on the 3D model I should be able to apply a texture image that just wraps around it

[strong shell]

painting on 3d and applying a texture are very different things

I suggest you watch a few tutorials on uv mapping

and texturing I guess

[hearty merlin]

Mm, okay

[strong shell]

but it's not super easy

and part of why learning 3d modeling takes years

[hearty merlin]

No kidding. I've been following a tutorial the past couple weeks

[crimson crescent]

You have to mark the edges in edit mode and then unwrap, it's easier and better and you can always reshape the cut up map later on.

[carmine grove]

is there a way to fix stuck facial expression. not returning to default face.

example from idle state switch to facial 02 or 03 then going to idle state again the facial expression gets stuck

[strong shell]

write defaults on

[hearty merlin]

@crimson crescent That advice was exactly what I needed! Thanks a ton

[strong shell]

did you just give advice to yourself and then thanked yourself lmao

[hearty merlin]

whoops, no I meant to @ Yuriko

[crimson crescent]

🤣

[glass mica]

hello i need help with how to make an avatar, lke the basics

like the basic apps i'll need, etc

[strong shell]

spend a few years learning 3d modelling, then study the basics of unity, then read the vrc sdk official docs, then you are ready

you need Blender and Unity at least

unless you are rich then you can use Maya instead of Blender or something else

[rocky tide]

hi, i am trying to make a animation where the two light of buzzlightear will switch (red-green continuos) i created the two "emissive" materials" but when i preview it these don't work

[glass mica]

im very not rich

at all

[rocky tide]

https://prnt.sc/1tgx94w

on timeline they seem correct i think...

[strong shell]

you can also buy premade avatars

and skip straight to the unity basics and vrchat sdk parts

or use ReadyPlayerMe to make it

or vroid although that still needs you to learn some stuff

[glass mica]

i'd rather make it myself due to the fact im very picky and i know what i want

[strong shell]

@glass mica this then

[sturdy radish]

Welp. Imma be commissioning a friend for a custom avatar

[neon finch]

ooo what is it gonna be

how good are you at modelling

[sturdy radish]

I'm not good. Never did it. But it's gonna be a furry avatar. (Since all my friends know me as one. Since I use a public one which can sit) and gonna see if she can add the sitting animations on this one too

And I owe my friend 45 USD for this avatar. Yay

[neon finch]

can someone put my avatar in the came

game*

[karmic totem]

Can someone? Yes. Can they on your account? No

[neon finch]

i can give them my account on privet

[hasty hemlock]

that's probably against terms of service and a really dumb idea

[karmic totem]

Regardless of being against TOS, it can connect your account to theirs, so if you or they get banned, the other one might too, and with the recent ban wave, I doubt anyone smart will do it

[neon finch]

well cant someone post it to their own account and then let me clone it

[hasty hemlock]

yes they could but then any random joe can clone it off of you

[neon finch]

just turn cloning off after they gave it

[karmic totem]

that is why I said that someone can upload, but not on your account. Someone can upload an avatar and you can clone it but then you have the issue Rainwolf said

[neon finch]

if they just turn cloning off also i dont cafe if they take is

[hasty hemlock]

then you won't be able to wear it

[neon finch]

why

[hasty hemlock]

because the avatars no longer public if you do that

[neon finch]

so if i clone it and the person turnes cloning off then i dont have it anymore

[hasty hemlock]

yes

[neon finch]

bruuuh facking vrchat dude

[hasty hemlock]

so basically you would need to upload yourself if you wanted it to be private

[neon finch]

what if someone put it in a world

[hasty hemlock]

that doesn't change any about that

[neon finch]

its oke if its a public avatar tho

[hasty hemlock]

potentially a problem depending on where you got the avatar

like you can't make a public Avatar out of a paid Avatar

[neon finch]

no i just made a free avatar on vroid

[hasty hemlock]

question did you use any free to download textures off of Booth. P.m. for the avatar

as some of those have terms of service that disqualify public avatars as well

[neon finch]

i made every thing my self nothing from booth

[hasty hemlock]

okay then you can carry on with the public Avatar idea

but would still be good in future to learn how to upload yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggA0auQEF4

[neon finch]

yes but my laptop is not capible to install everything i need

[hasty hemlock]

question are you running on the quest then as if you cannot run the unity editor your probably not going to be able to run vrchat

[neon finch]

im a quest 2 user

[hasty hemlock]

& vroid runs off of unity so running Unity should be possible even if it's slow as heck

[neon finch]

i also have the wrong unity i think and idk were to install the one i need

[hasty hemlock]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version

this has a link to the correct Unity version

[neon finch]

alright thanks ill try thet then

[hasty hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2-o4l6eagQ&list=PLdI9TI7mJBsnVDSN6ygkNcOJo-WQitK8R&index=9 and here's tutorial covering vroid to Oculus Quest

[neon finch]

thank you

[hasty hemlock]

hope you have fun with your new Avatar

[neon finch]

thanks a lot

but in all videos they say i need the 2018 unity or is the 2019 good aswell?

[hasty hemlock]

2019 as the video was made before 2019 released

but like your steps would still be the same Avatar uploading

[neon finch]

oke oke

[sturdy radish]

still cant wait for my Avatar

[honest yacht]

My avatar somehow grew in file size when I switched the rig to Humanoid, and now its too big to upload. Any tips on how to cut the size down?

(it wasn't too big before, which is odd)

[crimson crescent]

read/write on?

[vague raft]

if it's too big, like way too big, it might be the normals on calculate. Older sdks don't tell you to fix it

[neon finch]

its too big

[neon finch]

hewp, im in unknown land, idk where and how do I add expressions, dances, etc, HEWP QwQ

Idk how to use the expressions parameters, and stuff, can someone help me with that?

[strong shell]

read the official vrchat sdk documentation on avatars

also read up the documentation for Animators and Animations in Unity

[neon finch]

I saw a tutorial, the sdk3 is harder to get expresions and animations to the avatar than sdk2, not too difficult, but harder

[strong shell]

Sdk2 is old and outdated, also a lot more limited

Stick to sdk3

[short kettle]

Xd

[sudden quiver]

I have a question~ so I found out that in SDK 3 that the FX layer is for bones not of the human rig hierarchy and the Actions are for the humanbones hierachy. If I made a custom animation the humanoid rig but it has animations such as a long flapping tongue that is animated in blender - where or how could I get it to work in vrchat?

[sand orchid]

fuuuck

whys hue shift completely fuuucked

[sand orchid]

ok

everythings pre recorded

but its not shifting

at all

[neon finch]

so my unity keeps on failing to create an file

[neon finch]

What do you mean create a file? What are you trying to do? If its an error send a picture of your entire screen but show the error

now i wish i knew how to use discord

[neon finch]

oi

[olive silo]

@neon finch Booth model, Lena, made by this guy:

https://booth.pm/en/items/2097499

[civic light]

nice model

5k is usual price nowdays for the models

i got my self a neko cat for 5 k yens

https://i.imgur.com/N9ILWYC.png

here a pic

[olive silo]

yup, around that price.
I like this one because they are slighty different from what people use in booth

[civic light]

how is it different

its just arknights anime girl

that clothing is popular recently

[olive silo]

well, popular booth models look pretty similar to each other, facelike I mean, or at least for me they look pretty much alike.
In simple terms I like the style of this guy in particular

[civic light]

ye they are alike for sure

but much better than the e girl or e boy models from vrcht

which are the same just edited

[olive silo]

well we are not counting those for sure

hahaha

[civic light]

ahaha

[olive silo]

those don't count

[neon finch]

wait this is the same model? it looks really different

did you do major mods to it?

[olive silo]

I add my own outfit / hair and personal changes in blender

[neon finch]

ahh ok

tanks

[civic light]

oo in my case i tried to keep the original look intact

while adding some fine small changes

because i loved how mine looked in booth

[olive silo]

hehe totally understandable, I do like to put different outfits to my avatars

[civic light]

i focused my efforts on small details like pins or animations

i threw like 15 pins i think

at my avatar

and boi poly count cried

[olive silo]

why so many poly by some pins ?

[civic light]

i blame the sheep pin

[olive silo]

I'll try to optimize my things, problem is that I always end up poor because I like separating meshes / have cloth toggles 😔

[civic light]

i need to optimize my stuff but never get to it

wait i will send u my cat in dms

[olive silo]

Sure ! hit me up!

is not difficult to optimize, peopel don't do it because they are lazy, 😔

if you are not very poor you are fine tho. I get to very poor because of dynamic bones, and that can be deactivated.
Of course it does make a difference having 6 materials than having 12 or 24 in your avatar.

[neon finch]

gotta commit to a single outfit !!

[civic light]

i saw someone talking about making a second togglabe avatar ahaha

we are reaching new lvls of lag

everyday

[olive silo]

nooooo never

[neon finch]

one day we will hopefully be able to like seperate our outfits into like totally diff avatars but we can switch between avatars inside the radical menu

for our own uploaded shite at least

[civic light]

one day we wont need display vr

and we will just beam our consciousness' into vr

thats the gamer way

[olive silo]

I have all my outfits in separate avatars, I don't like having that many meshes, also the size of my avatars would get bigger if I do so, right now they are less than 5mb each

[neon finch]

oh thats good

and if you split it up the filesize shouldn't be anything big at all so its not really an excuse to say it will take ages to load

and if your wifi is that bad that it can't reload a 5-10MB avatar then thats your problem

[olive silo]

For somebody who goes to dance events in VR, I prioritize some avatars and try to optimize them 😛

[neon finch]

thats good that you actually consider performance

[olive silo]

I really don't get how people make avatars that are 50mb

[neon finch]

They tend to have like a bunch of seperate meshs and clothing that all have like 4-8k textures

or seperate materials rather

[merry swan]

anim/sound take a huge chunk, but texture if they forget/dont do crunch , bonked a few friends cause they were 80mb+

texture crunch they came back 12

[neon finch]

that alone? wow

[olive silo]

Those are not your friends @merry swan 😔

[honest yacht]

So um. When I talk my avatar explodes.

Do fbx avatars have to be set to Humanoid rig?

I feel like that's what broke it

[merry swan]

You broke shapekeys, go back a version or shape propogate everything except stuff you want (always face)

most do this least a few times 🐇

[copper sigil]

My avatar keeps spinning to the left. Can this be something about the locomotion controller?

[civic light]

does it happen in unity too ?

[static stirrup]

any idea when the "physics bones" are coming out? the sdk is drunk claiming I have 28 collision checks when I don't have any colliders on the avatar

[karmic totem]

Unless there is a new update from the team, no one knows

[whole geyser]

Does anyone know if the changes in the 2 axis puppet menu is saved when you exit the menu, the same way that the values you set in the radial menu are saved when you exit?

[neon finch]

you sure you are selecting the right model for upload or you removed the dynamic bones from the right avatar assuming you have multiple avatars in your scene?

[vague raft]

yes, the values you select will be saved to the 2 floats you assign for the puppet control.

[whole geyser]

Great, thank you

[open wren]

anyone doing commission work?

[karmic totem]

This discord server isn't for that. Go to #community-servers-old and scroll up until you find VRC Traders

[copper gate]

Whats the diff between DynamicBones vs rigidbody + character joint?

[wintry glade]

Well the main difference is that they arnt related at all really

[neon finch]

H-

hey

[verbal timber]

Anyone know where i can get hatsune miku hair

im making a meme avatar and i just need the model

it also needs to be quest compatible

[short lion]

@verbal timber I'm sure you can download a miku base and take the hair, as long as the creator allows taking parts. There's tons on deviantart

honestly, I'm sure you can just find the hair on it's own there, or on sketchfab or smth

[neon finch]

Does anyone do commissions-?

[karmic totem]

This discord server isn't for that. Go to #community-servers-old and scroll up until you find VRC Traders

[neon finch]

Ok tyyy

[round canopy]

trying to find a good transparent quest-compatible shader for my avatar to display to quest people, is there even any good ones? I tried particles additive but people were saying they saw my avatar as a purple, when it's supposed to be blue, which makes no sense.

[hasty hemlock]

there are no Quest compatible transparency shaders

[round canopy]

really? that's really dumb of vrchat

[hasty hemlock]

transparency shaders are quite expensive for mobile Hardware to handle

[round canopy]

even dithering though

[hasty hemlock]

so they disabled transparency on avatars all together to prevent folks from making performance dumpster fires

[torn locust]

Does the Quest particle shader no longer work for avatars then? It used to give error but uploaded and worked fine. Still works for worlds for sure for quest but I stopped making avatars for quest so curious.

[gleaming epoch]

Does anybody know how to fix the problem where the view point on a generic avatar can't be moved forward or backwards? I am kinda inside of the avatar. But no matter how far i change the numbers, it is always the same spot.

[hasty hemlock]

no clue as I've never tried uploading avatars with Quest particle shader

[torn locust]

Ah. Well then yes. The quest particle shader works as a transparent shader. I use it for a few things in my world and it doesn't kill quests

[turbid goblet]

can i get someone to slap together an avatar for me, i have the models and textures, just unity hates my soul and doesn't work at all

[half rover]

Is it already made for VRChat? Rigging a model is a whole process, as far as I understand.

[turbid goblet]

everything is good to go

I just cant export it

all i need is someone to put the model into unity add the texture(which i made) and export it so i can use it

[half rover]

Because you're not the right user level?

[turbid goblet]

no i am

it just isn't working for me

i'm just getting errors r us, and the menu doesn't even appear

[half rover]

Which menu?

[turbid goblet]

build and test

[round canopy]

@hasty hemlock what the mobile particle shader does now is make the material turn the entire color of your user rank, so I was appearing as solid purple for some people, solid yellow for friends

kinda really weird behaviour, maybe useful, but not what I wanted

[hasty hemlock]

not quite sure as I haven't run into that bug

[torn locust]

That's just normal behavior when the avatar is not shown

[round canopy]

except it was my avatar, it had my other stuff like the headset I put on my avatar

[torn locust]

interesting. I haven't seen that 🤷‍♂️

[round canopy]

yeah I think it's interesting

[neon finch]

It just does funny colored squares ingame even if the sdk says its ok and it looks fine in unity

for quest avatars

[torn locust]

Interesting. Well, I don't make quest avatars anymore purely from how annoying and restrictive it is so I only knew it worked for worlds but didn't know for avatars. Thanks

[neon finch]

I think it reverts to a fallback shader

since its always purple for me

[torn locust]

Ah makes sense

[neon finch]

and im trusted so yeh

not very important but

interesting thingies and quirks

I wonder if I appear as user if it will go green or not

[torn locust]

Quest users still get 50+ fps in my world despite pretty heavy use of transparency. It's a shame things are so heavily restricted. Hopefully as quests get more powerful they will ease this stuff.

[neon finch]

Yeah in time it will beef up

I hate the 20k poly limit the most

not hard cap ik

[hasty hemlock]

yeah but the problem is the backwards compatibility and the the quirks of mobile rendering isn't going to change because it's clocked faster

[neon finch]

but people have to manually show it and thats lame

lmao compatiable for quest 1 in 5 years

sorry guys cant change the restrictions

[torn locust]

I hope they don't concern themselves with that, would be needlessly restrictive. Quest 1 is practically abandonware at this point. Buying new controllers already costs nearly as much as a quest 2. But I'm getting off topic xP

[round canopy]

confirmed that, you can change your color by appearing as a different rank

[neon finch]

The Fallback shader that colors by your trust rank recognizes that?

[round canopy]

ye

I was able to strobe myself to someone, lol

cuz clicking back and forth

[neon finch]

strobe?!

[round canopy]

well as fast as I could click

and as fast as the network recognized it

so not very fast

[neon finch]

probably rate limited you after a bit

if it didnt then that might be classified under a security exploit

[round canopy]

also there are ways to do transparency that work for mobile, like dithering, which renders every nth pixel via a screen texture mapping, and that's performant transparency

but vrchat chooses to ignore all possibilities

[neon finch]

Thats a little exxagerated but im sure they will be more leniant in the future

[round canopy]

true, we hope

[hasty hemlock]

how well does that handle overdraw as that's one of the considerations you would have with like avatars

as it's a lot easier to optimize a environment to not have lots of overlapping transparency

[round canopy]

it's not so much transparency, it's a trick to make objects disappear without actually making their pixel alphas go down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-Ux8RHMoA

I can't imagine it's any more complex than the toon shader is

it's just "render this pixel, don't render the next 5 pixels, render this pixel, repeat"

unity renders in passes, so the ground and objects behind our skinned meshes are getting rendered anyway before the next pass to render the character, I can guarantee you that

and since it's screenspace, it won't double-process an overlapping geometry

[neon finch]

I reckon you could propose that on the canny

Maybe no one has suggested it yet?

[round canopy]

is the canny a separate account site or do you use your vrchat login

[neon finch]

use vrchat login im pretty sure

there are like ~15 catagories so just put it in the most appropriate one

[round canopy]

doing a quick search with the word "dither" nothing comes up

should I comment on this one, or is it better to just make my own post saying dither in the title? https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/transparency-support-for-mobile-shaders

[round canopy]

posted here https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/add-a-dithering-shader-to-quest-enabled-shaders-to-simulate-transparency-on-mobi please feel free to upvote if you think this is appropriate, I have no idea what order the ideas get looked at in canny

[neon finch]

Devs do look on the canny, you likely will get a reponse in days

with an actually thought out suggestion

[round canopy]

nice

[torn locust]

Lol sometimes. There are still open cannys with 1k+ upvotes with no reply from devs that have been up for years. xP

[neon finch]

Oh yea the underage report thing

I really wonder why thats been on hold for so long

[smoky horizon]

hello friends, wassup?

[neon finch]

dis for very sophisticated avatar talk if u want to generally talk u can try #vrchat-general-1

[smoky horizon]

i know, i want opinions. i design outfits and give them to people to use. well im going to the general

[neon finch]

OO outfits show

[smoky horizon]

let me locate one

wait i cant send images

[neon finch]

you can link them tho and it should embt

[smoky horizon]

uh ill try

idk how to do that\

[neon finch]

just post an image in some other discord and copy the media link or img link

and paste it here

[smoky horizon]

ok

i cant do it

[neon finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849069581820887051/881780223648075816/365252802265743362.png

really ez

[smoky horizon]

i cant do it. its not letting me

[neon finch]

i will literally record a video

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849069581820887051/881780223648075816/365252802265743362.png

[smoky horizon]

i think it be better

[karmic totem]

What exactly are you trying to share, you could go to #shameless-self-promotion or #avatar-showcase maybe? Those both allow embeds

[winged socket]

Nieton!!!!

Might’ve forgot to turn of ping reply

Oops

[sage spire]

How can I find someone doing avatar commissions?

[agile solar]

VRC Traders.

Link in #community-servers-old

Expect to pay a pretty penny for a custom avatar.

[sage spire]

Ty! I’ll try that! :D

[candid forum]

I wonder, what are the chances that we'll get more parameter points some day?

this VRCLens is kicking my ass bro XD

[vague raft]

Ditch some of the features.
If it’s saving every float could you set up all the radials to use 1 float and only animate the blends on a bool transition? Enable bool on menu open kind of logic?

Would have to use WD off for that. Not sure if WD on would work when exiting blends/normalised time to hold values.

[loud cape]

problem is that it wouldn't sync for late joiners

[vague raft]

Do you need VrcL to sync for late joiners? I’ve never used it so I assumed it was a local thing.

Was in my head the floats were only on the expression parameter list to have then plug into the radials.

[bold isle]

Hey guys does anybody have an axolotl avatar?

[loud cape]

parameters are the only things that sync, not animations

[hasty hemlock]

and you're the only one that needs to see the camera features

[loud cape]

(expression parameters)

oh vrclens, I see

in that case then yea it could maybe work

[velvet jewel]

Does anyone know how I can resize my avatar on the pcvr version of vrchat

[agile solar]

I assume you'd adjust the scaling of the model?

Given you have the files to do so.

[velvet jewel]

I don’t have the files

[loud cape]

then not possible

[agile solar]

^

[velvet jewel]

I used a random avatar and it got big by accident

Like it got really big

[loud cape]

some avatars will just be really big

[agile solar]

Press Ctrl+\ to change to the default robot.

[velvet jewel]

The avatar was medium

[loud cape]

then the author might have added a scaling feature

[velvet jewel]

The thing is I can’t see the scaling feature

It’s not on the toggles

[loud cape]

could be on a gesture

[velvet jewel]

Yeah maybe, thanks

[rich verge]

Can someone help me make a vrc avatar?

[zenith lily]

Does anyone have .anim files of those meme animations?

[agile solar]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/creating-your-first-avatar

[rich verge]

im a visual learner

[zenith lily]

It’s a long process, took me weeks to learn

[rich verge]

ah alr is this the tuto you followed?

[half rover]

Is it possible to have an object whose orientation is fixed relative to your playspace? Thinking I might need to make a "compass" to keep track of where my Kinect is (though I haven't set it up yet, just thought I'd keep it in mind)

[pseudo willow]

is it possible to make a weapon (say a scythe) that can be held by both hands at the same time?

[karmic totem]

I think kind of? Never done it myself, don't know how

[vague raft]

have it be in your dominant hand and use an aim constraint to orientate it towards your second hand.

[dark wasp]

Does anyone here use mac os when uploading avatars?

I've been trying to get it working for awhile but I keep getting the same error when I click upload.

[crimson crescent]

Look for VRC Traders on Discord, be prepared to pay 😛

[craggy mirage]

Yeesh, thanks for the warning, all I need is the mesh so hopefully its not a arm and a leg

[pseudo willow]

Thank you, this got me pointed in the right direction!

[tacit tendon]

Is there a way for me to share my private avatar with my friend without making the avatar public or logging into their account?

[loud cape]

make a unity package of the avatar and sent it to your friend so they can upload it themselves

[tacit tendon]

I guess there's no way around it then?

[loud cape]

those are your 3 total options

[tacit tendon]

welp tnx anyways

[neon finch]

Hey! I am currently looking for someone to commission a quest avatar for me! I'm not sure where to look if you have any ideas where to send me or if you want to show me your work please let me know!!

[karmic totem]

#community-servers-old scroll up for VRC Traders

[spark crystal]

How can I use both an action layer and an fx layer? I wanted to play both an avatar toggle with an animation.

[crimson crescent]

this channel has everything you need https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATCtF3u-2nz2bJvnXmTPKA

[pale mortar]

Hi, I'm a small content creator and i am looking for someone to make me an avatar that could be the base of my content if you would like to speak to me about this pls dm me p.s I'm broke

[fluid grotto]

Steamvr has a setting to put an arrow there I believe

[clear crystal]

Sadly unless the avatar is crap TBH the cheapest you'll probably find an avatar is like 30$ maybe-

[civic light]

He is asking for expensive commission model that would be only theirs, 30 dollars are premade models with limited rights

You have cute avatar pic btw

[half rover]

But think of the exposure!

[neon finch]

hay cany any budie help me set up a avatar modle to work for vrchat

[agile solar]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/creating-your-first-avatar

[zenith lily]

I really don’t understand why its a MUST for avatars to be private only. Relatively speaking about the assets I “bought.” If used then the avatar Must be private only. There’s a bunch of rippers these days so there’s no point tbh, why not make them go through the same trouble as i did with making it, lol the avatar has over 270 emotes, I’m sure other ppl has a better use for em

[knotty garden]

does anyone know where people get that 3-frame spooky dance animation

[clear crystal]

Some would prefer to have their avatars private

[civic light]

its a simple legal matter you do NOT have a right to redistribute assets if you are bound by the disclaimer you accepted while bying

[clear crystal]

I like having certain models of mine to be private for many reasons

[twin dragon]

is vrchat currently using Unity 2019.4.29f1 or 2019.4.30f1 because I'm getting two different answers

[agile solar]

2019.4.30f1.

[twin dragon]

ok thx

[agile solar]

Yep!

[floral moth]

anyone know why when i preview an empty animation, the mesh teleports far away from the center?

[strong shell]

it's not a must it depends on each creator

but if you want to make something public (that originally prohibits it) you might be able to reach a special agreement with the creator, likely in exchange for money (likely a lot more than the normal cost of the model)

[zenith lily]

Seems legit

[rich tinsel]

does anyone know how to fix when i try to work on a project it just have problem copying assembly?

[karmic totem]

Can you move to #avatar-help and share a screenshot of the error. Someone might be able to help better with more information

[misty trellis]

Hey all. When I do an expression with gestures, then speak, I get the mix of my facial expression and the visemes, when I'd really rather the visme's override whatever they touch. Is there a setting for that?

[peak cove]

Hey!! :)

does Anyone here know of websites that sell custom vr Characters, such as Fiverr?

[agile solar]

#community-servers-old, VRC Traders.

[tacit tendon]

I'm having trouble with getting a particle to properly transfer it's velocity from my hand to when i "throw" it. Is there a trick to make it work?

[vale fox]

vrc traders for commissions as already said. for pre existing avatars, gumroad, booth, and cgtrader are all good

[agile solar]

Try VRC Traders.

[rich verge]

Wdym?

[agile solar]

That's where you'll find more customers.

[vague raft]

Only place in here to really drop promotional stuff is #shameless-self-promotion

[eager horizon]

Don't think you should mention that you do nsfw as it's against vrcs tos

[balmy stratus]

So my entire avatar has to be less than 10k triangles....

To have as a fall back

My base model is already like 15k

[silver adder]

Yes, max poly count for fallback avatars is 10k.

AKA the avatar has to be at least "good" performance rank on Quest to be eligible to be a fallback.

[frigid tusk]

i am no good at blender

[barren hemlock]

It's actually not against TOS as far as I saw. I read through and saw nothing about sexual content

[frigid tusk]

@barren hemlock yes it is agaisnt tos

[barren hemlock]

What section of the TOS states it?

[frigid tusk]

its stated in game

nfws avatars are not allowed

[barren hemlock]

The TOS on the website is the most up-to-date TOS and the one they use for everything

[frigid tusk]

nfws avatars are not allowed proud

[barren hemlock]

If NSFW wasn't allowed at all, then there wouldn't be a tag for Sexual Content/Gore in the SDK

[frigid tusk]

@near tinsel

no there not

at all

[near tinsel]

https://hello.vrchat.com/community-guidelines
Section "Inappropriate Content": "Pornography & nudity is not allowed."

[near tinsel]

please don't ping individuals from the team, ty

[frigid tusk]

thank you fux

fus

[eager horizon]

https://hello.vrchat.com/legal
Section 12.D

[neon finch]

its an ancient tagging system that allegedly isnt removed because the devs dont see a reason to

or dont bother to

TOS always overturns though

[fluid grotto]

i've seen quite a few people in various communities who seem to dread updating and stay on one version for as long as possible
@nimble sinew You can stay on your old version if you want - provided you keep the SDK - but it is no longer available if you lose it, and all newly downloaded SDK's will only work with the current version of unity.

you can still upload with 2018 if you want to, it's just not recommended. you may have bugs, and they won't be fixed.

[nimble sinew]

yep, so why not update ASAP? spend a few minutes now to save a few hours later. better to learn each little new thing as they come rather than have to catch up from several patches ago

[wintry glade]

There really isnt a point in not updating, the backwards compatibility is just to keep old stuff that is already uploaded working and to give people time to update when they can

[vague raft]

You can stay on your old version if you want
Pog, 5.6.3p1 here I come.

[nimble sinew]

[eager horizon]

well look at it from my perspective, I have about 300gb worth of avatar commissions in a single project, converting that to a new version takes the better time of a day, ( and can fail). So I dont update unless the new version actually brings improvements. Example, I am still on 2018 as the 2019 update didnt give us anything new when it comes to avatar creation, so now I already skipped one useless version.

[rich verge]

oh sorry!

[barren hemlock]

That's why you separate out every project

[bold elm]

Does anyone know if this new unity switch fixes the vrchat menu "won't show up half the time" bug?

[eager horizon]

than I would have to convert like 200 projects one by one to another version

doesnt sound any better at all tbh

[barren hemlock]

Use different projects from now on. It's way cleaner

[eager horizon]

I fail to understand how

once a new update drops I still have to convert every single project which is a lot more manual work

[barren hemlock]

If you make another avatar, put it in a separate project

You can leave the old ones

[eager horizon]

I dont see whats cleaner about it eitehr as you can just keep everything neatly organized with folders

no I can not, my clients often ask me to fix stuff that broke on their avatars with updates.

I have to keep everything up to date or on the latest working version

might as well have it all in one project

[barren hemlock]

Mine do too. I have a separate project for each avatar, including for the same people but different avatars

[eager horizon]

I dont see the benefit of having multiple

[barren hemlock]

Cleanliness and ability to upgrade this way

[eager horizon]

how is it more clean?

just sort properly with folders and you will never have problems no matter how many avatars you have in a single folder

[barren hemlock]

You're encountering a problem right now

[eager horizon]

I am not really

again these updates added literally nothing when it comes to avatar making

theres literally 0 reason to update

[neon finch]

I think its a matter of preference but I personally wouldn't put all my avatars into a few projects

[eager horizon]

unless they break stuff which is a downside if you ask me haha

[barren hemlock]

And what if a client asks you to explicitly upgrade to 2019? Then everyone else's would need to go too

[eager horizon]

if a new version actually ads new features I am updating regardless

[neon finch]

Wait you aren't even using a 2019 lts?

[eager horizon]

I am not going to update someones model without it actually benefiting in any way

no I am on 2018

[barren hemlock]

That's bad service

If a client requests it, you're supposed to fulfill that request regardless of logic

[eager horizon]

how come? I can just tell them the avatar has been updated and they would be non the wiser as it makes literally 0 difference

thats not how my service works, I am not spending extra time on something thats not benefiting anyone

[barren hemlock]

That's bad business practice if you ask me

[eager horizon]

if they pay me? sure

but I am not doing it for free like I would for you know not stupid requests

[barren hemlock]

Yeah they would. But you still have to upgrade the entire thing

[eager horizon]

not really,

I can always export their avatar as its neatly sorted in a folder system

[neon finch]

Will be funny when avatar dynamics comes out and you can't get the swick new physics bones because you are on an ancient vrcsdk

[barren hemlock]

xD

They'll be backwards compatible

[eager horizon]

you know , if you read my messages I said if the new versions actually add new features I am updating

otherwise there is literally 0 point

its way less work for me. I dont have to bother making packages for my controllers, animations, custom shaders or anything as all my dependencies are always there when I need them

[neon finch]

I guess we will see you on a 2019 LTS in a month or 2 then

[eager horizon]

maybe

if avatar dynamics arent garbage

[neon finch]

I can't imagine they would be

[eager horizon]

my guess is they will be broken and next to unusable for the better part of a month being out

av 3.0 had lots of issues at launch, regretted upgrading to that right away

[neon finch]

don't tell me you are on sdk2

right?

[eager horizon]

obviously not

but when SDK 3 came out, well I probably should have stayed with SDK 2 for a bit longer

first few days were rough

[barren hemlock]

I had no major issues with SDK3 on launch

[toxic forge]

@eager horizon I agree with everything you're saying. you're not alone.

[eager horizon]

I appreciate it ❤️

[livid timber]

are there any good unity packages for weapon particles? ive seen many avatars with the same particle systems and theyre really good and id love to get my hands on them

[toxic forge]

Most people make them themselves so :/

I don't know tbh

[red path]

I guess people use stuff like that too: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/essentials/tutorial-projects/unity-particle-pack-127325

[heady relic]

if i was doing it for free i would still make sure there stuff is updated even if it has no new feature's or no benefit like i update sdk2 avatars for ppl bc it don't take time to just update it or if unity is out of date i still up date but i do get errors it not fun dealing with but i don't lie nor make stuff out of date bc im doing what they want so then i get trust and some time they give me stuff for doing it for them like paid assets they bought for me for my time or for the avatar so im still getting something out of and im gaining skills while doing it

[eager horizon]

that was painful to read, Absolutely no punctuation

Again what is the point of updating an avatar with a new unity version if the result is 100% identical?

[heady relic]

well i have a issues with the new update but i still update it even if it has no benefit i just do it so i dont need to update later on

[eager horizon]

but updating later on has the potential to skip usuless version changes. So I am saving time

[heady relic]

well you kinda are and not at the same time i see you your point but if the person wants me to update it to the new version i will even if its a waste of time

[eager horizon]

sounds like a bad usage of your time

[heady relic]

well i do it bc i like doing avatars so it don't really bother me in the least

[eager horizon]

so instead of working on an actual avatar you spend time doing something that doesnt improve anything whatsoever?

interesting

[heady relic]

if i waste like 20 minutes of my time bc in that time i could be doing something else like getting the stuff they want while its doing that or talk to them about what they need or want

[eager horizon]

on that topic, I have never actually had a client ask me to update their avatar to a new unity version unless something was broken because the new version introduced more bugs to the game

[heady relic]

well i get alot of bugs on my avatar so spend like 2 hours trying to fix it

[vague raft]

As mentioned, unless the new version adds something that could improve functionality you Don't really need to. Like 2017 to 2018 gave us constraints. We had rigidbody joints before that but you can do the same and more with constraints. What functionality does 2019 bring that warrants updating a 25, 50, 100 gb project?

I'm always updating because it sits in my mind that I can, eventually bothering me till I do. I don't have to but I'm feeling like I should. Can get annoying sometimes

[heady relic]

thats why i do it a soon the new update comes out so i dont get a client saying something broken or bugged

so i have more time doing my own or adding new things to it

[eager horizon]

again, fixing a single persons issue takes less time than updating all of my big ass projects

[heady relic]

well you gonna need to do it at some point

[eager horizon]

I mean

you can still upload with 2017 even now

so not exactly haha

[heady relic]

well i wouldn't know that bc i just update it so you do you ig

[eager horizon]

yeah I am but a lot of people here including you seem to have a problem with it for some reason

[nimble sinew]

by not updating to 2019 you've already lost a lot of time doing builds/uploads...js

[eager horizon]

how come?

[nimble sinew]

not sure what to do about your massive project, but i'd probably try exporting clients who haven't come back for a while

2019 builds are way faster

[eager horizon]

I have seen my friends build in 2019

I didnt see any difference

[nimble sinew]

i noticed a difference immediately....i uploaded a tda kitbash last week that would only build on 2018 and it was painfully slow

[eager horizon]

my uploads usually take around 30seconds to a minute

[nimble sinew]

if i had that many clients to manage i'd try to create some kind of project manager extension for most commonly used assets....i get the feeling you're undercharging for all that personal data storage

[eager horizon]

maybe

I am a data hoarder though so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[placid glade]

Is anyone able to upload a model for me, I'll pay for it of course

[clear crystal]

Messaged you-

[solar abyss]

anyone got a refrence photo for the VRC purformance bot

[agile solar]

Why?

[drifting shore]

i can dm it to you if you need it still.

tbh i also have the model from somewhere if you want it

[solar abyss]

0.0 that will save me time remakeing it

[drifting shore]

kk ill dm you it once i find it again

[agile solar]

Nope.

What's wrong with them anyway?

There should be a little feather on the nameplate denoting it.

[barren hemlock]

The fallback icon by the "Fallback" rank text shows the reason it fell back. Refer to the official VRC video demonstrating the feature to see all the icons and reasons

Also they still scale fallbacks exactly the same way they do with the robot. If it's messed up that way then their fallback they selected has rigging issues or vice versa

[neon finch]

I have a question. When you're making an avatar and you want to put another set of clothes for them and the new clothes have gloves on them. Can I recycle the bones of the clothes and merge armature and then the replacement clothes will have it's own Hand armature? Or is it better to just align the fingers as close as I can then merge armature because VRchat only follows one skeleton system?

[heady notch]

How often do you guys have to do "maintenance" on your guys' creations when a new update comes out?

[loud cape]

never did

[neon finch]

anyone else having issues with uploading an avi? in my builder is shows the avi I just uploaded but in content manager and in game my avi just isn't there

[agile solar]

Which version of Unity did you use?

[neon finch]

2019.4.31f1

must be something wrong with that version rn just downgraded to the 30f1 version and it worked again

[vague raft]

Can't say it's a version issue. Uploaded a few models today without any issues. Using 30 is fine but something else was likely the cause

[neon finch]

hmm idk maybe the build version of unity 3.1 that I had was the wrong one maybe other than that I got no clue what it coulda been

[zenith lily]

Lol

[neon finch]

What exactly isnt working when you upgrade to .31

[lyric ledge]

when i found out the best practice to solve subjective problems

[jade grail]

hey I have a question. where do people find animations for their avatars? I've noticed some avatars have very similar if not identical animations so is there a place where you can download these animations?

[coral osprey]

You can get some basic ones from Mixamo

[jade grail]

I checked it out and I think I actually found the default dance animation. apparently it's called "Silly Dance". but there's quite a few other avtar animations that I wasn't able to find on the site. but I did also only look in the dance category so idk if there's others that has just been miscategorized

[neon finch]

does anyone know where I can legitimately obtain an obscenely unoptimized avatar

for free

[loud cape]

why?

[neon finch]

so i can optimize it as far as possible

[loud cape]

nice 👍

[neon finch]

aWWW damn it

im just going through avatar creator discords looking for free models they give out at this point

so far nothing as bad as im going for

lol

what was on those sabers?

thats amazing

[toxic forge]

More often than I'd like

Avatars with chairs, particles, or humanoid rig work arounds break the most and it's frustrating
particles breajing was more a thing of the past tho

[toxic forge]

ive also had and seen worlds that broke and i imagine thats even more frustrating

why vrchat refuses to have support for older worlds i dont understand. unless there was a really bad exploitive bug, why not keep the support for the version in that world

[static sparrow]

Kinda hope the max parameters goes up from 128 to like 256

[neon finch]

Do you find yourself having not enough parameter space?

[static sparrow]

yes

[neon finch]

for your simple on/off toggles do you use Integers or Bools

[static sparrow]

yes

my avatars are as optimized in that sense as i can get them

[vague raft]

Option 1 or 2
Yes
I love that, 110% find myself doing this to people just for laughs

[neon finch]

i read yes

read my question

read it again

read your message

oh

[neon finch]

[narrow yew]

do vrchat avatars support reflective surfaces? if yes, would it be pc only?

[unkempt monolith]

Anyone got any rare avatars for trading

[agile solar]

You don't trade avatars. 👀

[unkempt monolith]

I'm starting too

[agile solar]

Why?

[unkempt monolith]

I found cool ass avatars

[leaden thunder]

Bruh

[unkempt monolith]

Problem my new favorite

[leaden thunder]

What does that have to do with starting to trade

[unkempt monolith]

Because I get cool avatars from

[agile solar]

From... where?

[leaden thunder]

From other players

Imagine if he started saying scammer gets scammed

[unkempt monolith]

That would be funny

Omg I just got your loli avatar for free scammer get scammed LOL

[unkempt monolith]

Unknown sources

[rocky tide]

hello here, i wanna know if there is some way to get the heigh measurement of a avatar

in unity

[slow vessel]

In native* unity (without extra packages), no. However, the Avatar Testing world has an imperial and metric stick that you can use to calculate height for comparison between avatars or to your real height.

[rocky tide]

i would like to have a prefab meter

like in avatar testing world

[slow vessel]

I'm sure they exist on sketchfab, if you need one.

[rocky tide]

oh

https://www.deviantart.com/djwolf-3/art/VRChat-Avatar-Height-Chart-798004012

yeah that work great

[bold adder]

This is a general Dynamics Bones question, is there someway for me to use animations in Unity so that I can see how they interact, instead of looking at my characters feet, scroll out and move them around?

[clear crystal]

@eternal bear Didn't answer you in the #avatar-search-old but yes his avatars are well made.

[eternal bear]

Yes

One of my main inspirations

[clear crystal]

He's a good person, I miss his King Raids world

[timber coral]

look up lyuma av3 emulator

[sinful junco]

Can someone help me understand how to enter the spookality event for avatars ?

[dusk saffron]

Anyone have a favorite male base? Paid or unpaid, just trying to find a good one.

[daring narwhal]

I have a question. I tried to upload an avatar or rather update and it does not let me. the avatar I uploaded originally was using older build of unity and sdk2 and the new one uses sdk3 and newer unity. the sdk complains that I use a different unity build but it was never a problem. my question is, is it normal that it doesn't work? since the sdks are incompatible or not?

[agile solar]

What Unity version were you using?

And yes, the two SDKs are not cross-compatible.

Either stick to one or the other.

[daring narwhal]

the avatar was uploaded using 2018.4.20f1 and the one I currently use is 2019.4.30f1.

[vague raft]

I read that a bit differently. You can upload an sdk3 avatar over a previous sdk2 avatar without issue but as Artemus said, you can't have both in the same unity project else they conflict.

[daring narwhal]

I had a problem with sdk3 that whenever I uploaded the avatar I would see it twice for some reason and wanted to see if the problem still persists.

ok, thanks for clarifying. I will try to figure out what's wrong.

[vague raft]

Also using 4.30 will still work just fine but the sdk will tell you to move to 4.31 as that's the current version.

I mean heck, people haven't moved from 4.29 yet and their doing just fine.

[daring narwhal]

ok. thanks. so I don't need to update unity for it to work. I guess I'm running into some shader problem but unity doesn't say,. it just says something went wrong.

[agile solar]

Did you strip the project of anything with SDK2?

[daring narwhal]

I'll try with a new project and import each thing separately. hopefully it will work.

[lavish zinc]

M

[wicked heart]

how would i do a shader that only renders backface without cutting quest compatibility

[agile solar]

You mean transparency?

[wicked heart]

no

i mean

the faces facing towards the camera are hidden and the faces facing away are shown

kinda like

that

i'm trying to make an outline

[vague raft]

Like, solidify and invert normals?

[wicked heart]

i'm not sure what that means

[vague raft]

Solidify is a blender modifier, normals are the direction your polygons are facing.

[wicked heart]

here uhh

ah damn no images

brb

[wicked heart]

like this
https://i.imgur.com/lJMvVbv.png

(if it's backfacing it renders)

(if it's not it doesn't)

[vague raft]

okay look, you can't render backface on quest shaders thus you need a second layer of polygons that has the normals facing inward

[wicked heart]

hm

alright

[vague raft]

it'll work the same it'll just double the poly count

[wicked heart]

h

[wicked heart]

well wait i don't need the outward facing normals do i?

if it's only the backface and no front?

[vague raft]

Assuming it stays as 1 mesh you'll have your outward facing polygons and your inward facing polygons. Depending on how 'inflated' the inward facing polygons are, in relation to the outward polys, the thinner or thicker the outline will appear.

If I wasn't moving all my unity and blender projects to another drive I would show an example of this

[neon finch]

hi

[vague raft]

welcome

[dry oxide]

ik this isnt on topic but i threw my controller and dont know how to find it, i threw my right one

[vague raft]

what you throw it out the window?

[dry oxide]

dude idk

i threw it while throwing a plushie in vrc

[vague raft]

did you hear it hit something and fall

[dry oxide]

it hit my wall/cabinet

[vague raft]

is there any crazy way it's behind the cabinet?

[dry oxide]

i even got on my hands and knees to search\

and no

its not

i even scanned the area w my headset

any tips lol