go his twitter or yt @silver knot
#avatar-general
neon finch
crystal bison
Please and thank you
neon finch
@crystal bison not the right channel
silver knot
but that video is for index
im having problems with vive
The default bindings are there buuut, i wanna change the "action menu" binding but its not there
fluid grotto
It’s just called stick press I believe
minor drum
I've noticed that with vive wands, the GestureLeftWeight and GestureRightWeight reflect how pressed in the trigger is until it gets to 1 when slowly letting go of the trigger will snap it back to 0 and not reflect how much the trigger is pulled
Is this a bug or is this supposed to happen?
fluid grotto
Not the case in oculus perhaps it’s a bug
minor drum
I will test with index controllers and share my results
fluid grotto
Wait you say 1.0 locks it
I haven’t tested that specifically
Sorry
So if you get close to 1.0 and release it still slowly decreases?
minor drum
If you get close or up to 1.0 then slowly release, it will go fast to 0
fluid grotto
Ok to be honest I never looked that closely on oculus my bad
silver knot
so i dont understand why i cant change the "action menu" on vive controllers.
neon finch
still have no clue how to operate the new sdk
agile marsh
Has anyone used the midi/osc features yet
Like, are they midi signals sent out by everyone who renders the avatar, or are they sent out by the vrc servers themselves, or are they sent out by just the client whos using the avatar
Or are they not sent at all
minor drum
@fluid grotto Here's what i've found https://youtu.be/Zx-qhVLrXq8
compact pasture
man it would be nice if some of the documentation was updated to show the release state of things such as expressions menu and parameters. it's a bit confusing when I am told to do things that apparently no longer need to be done in the release version
valid goblet
I can hold my fists and thumbs up, but... To others, it's just an open hand. This is a weird patch........
This Avatar 3.0 patch makes it uncomfortable for people who use sign language. If you look at this, you need to give feedback quickly.
i have specified all my finger animations. Among them, thumbs are invisible to the other person.
Can I know why? It's like a bug.
dusky scaffold
Are you using a 3.0 avatar and did you put your hand gestures in the wrong layer e.g. FX layer?
neon finch
trying to have an emote that spawns a sound a sphear that turns the camera black and white a particle that shoots out and a material change and a hat toggle on the same gesture but when i made the gesture it didnt work was told that the material change has to be on the fx layer did this still dont fire how to i program a fx layer change and a gesture layer change at the same time
or can i put the whole animation on the fx layer
if this cannot be resolved i will not be using avatar 3.0 for meme avatars
as this only resrticts what i could do before making it totaly ussless for what i do in vrchat
dusky scaffold
I'm not sure there's anything you could do with avatars 2.0 that you can't do with avatars 3.0
sacred anvil
I have an avatar with a cape that I am trying to get dynamic bones on, but I can't find the right settings and the bottom of the cape is sticking to the feet of my avatar, or more the base. Why is that?
neon finch
well it dont work
i made the animation like i always do
and it didnt change the material
or remove the hat everything else worked
so its probbley lack of info on how to program an avatar and seeing as this is a hobby im not sure how much of my life i want to sink into this while i try to work out why its been made more complex than it needed to be
there is no info out there on how to do this either
so
fluid grotto
What are you trying to do
neon finch
in order to use 3.0 i have to have a working knowlefge on how to program in unity which i do not have as i did not need this to get to were i am
trying to have an emote that spawns a sound a sphear that turns the camera black and white a particle that shoots out and a material change and a hat toggle on the same gesture but when i made the gesture it didnt work was told that the material change has to be on the fx layer did this still dont fire how to i program a fx layer change and a gesture layer change at the same time
fluid grotto
SDK3 doesn’t involve or require any programming knowledge
neon finch
in 2.0 this was a simple thing to do simple as making an animation to fire
i have a basic knoweldge of layers and transistions
fluid grotto
That’s all it is
neon finch
yeah but when i go into unity and fire the gesture the material dont change and the hat stays on
fluid grotto
Material change and object enable animations go on FX layer
neon finch
i put a gesture on the fx as well as the gesture layer
fx to change the material
and normal gesture layer to do everfything else
but the gesture does not fire botrh animations
fluid grotto
Make sure fX layer does not include animations with rotation, translation, or scale
neon finch
it dont
i dont know how to sync
between 2 layers
when i make the gesture on my hand
it dont fire both animations
its was to complicated for me
dusky scaffold
did you make sure the weight of your layers in each animation controller are set to 1 instead of 0? The default value is 0
neon finch
hmm ill check
dusky scaffold
you may get more assistance in #avatar-help btw
neon finch
i shall also check that im 46 years old and have a high IQ but i feel so overwelmed by all of this
grizzled acorn
uh...
neon finch
👍
dusky scaffold
I keep forgetting to set the weights of my new layers so I think other people may too
neon finch
lol im testing it was 0
defualt off
dam it
<<<< dumb
😛 um
it worked
lol
grrrrrrrrr
ok im going to have change weight to 1 tattoed on my hand
merry swan
weight 1 reaaally need a better color, ive done that a few times,
echo arch
hi in the descriptor, i know what FX and Gesture bases are. but what are the the Base and Additive ones for...?
echo arch
thank you!
is it safe to assume
if i put none on base
it just wont play the jumping falling etc animations?
merry swan
If you remove Locomotion blend trees, you will slide around, if its empty you get the default setting from vrchat
toxic arch
I've completely forgotten, does the 3.0 sdk still use 2018.4.20? I just need to make sure ;;
wintry glade
Yeah
toxic arch
Alright, thank you!
I thought that was the case but got split since 3.0 is super new
uhhh- is there like any reason to port 2.0 avatars to 3.0?
valid goblet
@dusky scaffold Yes, they all work properly. But in VRchat, it works well on my screen. But it doesn't work for the other person.
dusky scaffold
@valid goblet If the hand gestures are in the FX layer I think they may still display for you but not others? There's been some talk about something like that or maybe it was about your avatar animating correctly in the mirror. Either way, make sure the animations which move your fingers/thumbs are in the Gesture layer. If they are in the Gesture layer already, do you perhaps have the same animations controlling face gestures in the FX layer (for avatars 2.0 we would use a single animation that did both face and hand gestures after all)? I don't use any hand gestures myself since I'm an index user so this isn't something I've tried out. I would ask again in #avatar-help
iron horizon
Im looking to do eye tracking with the eye surface being flat.
Is that something that can be done "reasonably"?
Or would I have to just limit the rotation alot and hope the illusion doesnt break
fluid grotto
It is a setup of rotation constraints so the eyes still rotate but a child of the eye can not rotate and only moves down with the rotation
You can also approximate it by having the eye bones far in back of the avatar and making the rotation limit very small. This effectively flattens the arc
I don’t recommend that though
iron horizon
Yeah.
I didnt realize constriants like that were avaliable in unity, Ill have to give it a shot to see how it works
I was thinking of doing something crazy, and using a shader and vertex colors to flatten the eye
fluid grotto
If you are more comfortable setting it up in blender, fbx import in unity has an option to create unity versions of the constraints for you from the fbx
Might be more straight forward to make them in unity though since Blender can do things unity can’t
neon finch
Google hasn't shown me any results about this
but is it possible to have liquid simulations on an avatar?
I would make it as low poly as possible but honestly no idea where to start
and if it's not possible what would be the best way to get something close to low poly without the animation
floral rock
Going to do a Hue Shift radial button demo in a couple minutes via screenshare, DM if you want to hop in
distant egret
any new av 3.0 avatars/avatar worlds that anyone knows of that I can check out? or maybe just some nice avatars in general that I might not have seen before?
🥺 👉 👈
floral rock
I'd be happy to share a 3.0 avatar if you want, tag me in game sometime, same name
distant egret
sent friend req ^-^
upper remnant
hi please upvote, thank you https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-30/p/bug-objects-at-root-move-drastically-during-locomotion
pearl rune
add a legacy mode for some control scemes. I dont like the new jump button re-allocation or the really not good fbt calibration :(
lost niche
@pearl rune you can use the old FBT calibration method though
you just add --legacy-fbt-calibrate to your launch options
pearl rune
excellent will add
surprises me a bit how this made it through a beta test if there was any
sinful junco
wait so avatars 3.0 is Online for everyone?
pearl rune
sadly yes
sinful junco
so i can go show off my new stuff finally
lost niche
yeah, I'm enjoying it
pearl rune
i mean i like the customization but this excuse of testing rolled out to release build instead of a beta build seems wrong.. i like the added control but so far its at a huge convenience and speed cost in terms of selection
pearl rune
i heard there were many people saying "the calibration isnt right"
but it still got rolled out
that aint right
visual dagger
most calibration issues are from badly made avatars, not the system being broken
it's not in all cases, but most
pearl rune
doubtfull. because some peoples legs go through floor if an avatar has long legs
sinful junco
additionally the new idle animations lowered alot of peoples shoulders
pearl rune
thats not a badly made avatar
visual dagger
the shoulders thing was a bug setting all avatars as male, that's been fixed
sand wren
the calibration is okish
sinful junco
i never had to use play space mover
sand wren
the biggest issue people have are things that can be fixed by using the legacy FBT launch command
sinful junco
even with long legs
pearl rune
- playspace mover was and is great for people sleeping
sand wren
so they do a lot of hacky stuff with playspace and height
but i honestly dont care
as long as it tracks my legs and hips without looking funny im fine
pearl rune
i just worry like for now you can use that legacy mode
sinful junco
Welp now that its online im gonna get on, see yall later
pearl rune
but i fear they will remove it quite fast
visual dagger
the fact that there is a legacy mode suggests they have no plan to remove it
pearl rune
or even moving a jump button away from a thumb stick aka which you use to move seems a weird move
why not put this avatar menu on a button instead?
visual dagger
but they'd prefer you make avatars properly so they work with the new system
pearl rune
i guess but if they do ill probably quit playing
because it becomes literally a burden to do it in the current method
visual dagger
the button remaps are a different thing, on oculus i think it's better since clicking the thumbstick was annoying for jump and the current jump button wasn't actually used
but other systems seem to been more crowded button wise
visual dagger
i think they need to just let us remap all the buttons to whatever we want and be done with it
pearl rune
a thumbstick for selection never proved to be great.. thats why nobody liked the vive controllers
or its touchpad at least
wait 6 point tracking in vrchat ? (reading changelog)
lime plume
fullbody
pearl rune
yeah true
bit crazy and niche.. and i cant imagine how cumbersome that is too (imagine charging all that)
but i guess its cool
id love it if they have some kind of skeletal gesture reckognition for custom solutions over trying to go for that crazyness
just to put some potential development gaps down for the vr industry
lime plume
ive seen someone dance with 10 point tracking, it's super cool
pearl rune
(if you wanna use this then you can make something that works for this)
lime plume
but im not about to spend that much on trackers lol
carmine vigil
sand wren
wanted to note something about joysticks
i kinda like the rebinding sorta
its a bit atypical but when u spam click on a joystick it can wear it down more
whether it be index or oculus or whatever
and ive noticed my right controller having a bit of drift, probably from the original jump bind
cold jacinth
probably need a dev to answer this, but what are the maximum/minimum values the velocity parameters can be?
like if I just hold W on the keyboard, what is my velocity Z?
oh nvm that's on the debug menu
ignore me
sand wren
it depends also
i believe u walk slower when strafing and also when walking backwards
but only when at walk or run speeds
cold jacinth
ah crap
also seems to depend on the world...
would be nice if the values were normalized somehow
silver adder
also seems to depend on the world...
@cold jacinth Yep, worlds can have movement speed modifiers.
Oh sorry, didn't mean to ping you... Forgot to remove the mention from the quote.
cold jacinth
no it's okay
I just figured they'd have normalized the values, makes it really hard to create a good locomotion blend tree otherwise
steel iron
Too bad animating parameters isn't a thing.
Animation speed based on velocity.
Well, hold up.
@cold jacinth Could always take a note from short/long fall and have higher speed animations based on velocity, right?
Depends on how many steps you'd want.
I could take my own advice for my flying avatars and have a locomotion blendtree my models flip into when I reach a higher velocity while in the air.
Neat... potentially.
late patio
does anyone know were i can get the god king and god queen models
full sorrel
Anyone have a good site to find models? Im looking for a few
soft crown
Pretty sure you could do animation based on velocity? Set the speed multiplier in a state to one of the velocity paramters
unless i misunderstand how that works
merry swan
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/animator-parameters , VelocityXYZ
not really used it for anything yet myself
steel iron
Just an instant transition into another blendtree once velocity crosses a certain value. All of the animations in that blendtree would be animations for the higher velocity.
fading haven
So, I have several Pre-Avatar 3.0 Avatars that I can't Calibrate to Full Body Properly ebcuase of this stupid Update. How do I reset it back to the Original Calibration Method?
soft crown
i forget the exact command but i remember it was in the patch release notes
command line you launch the game with
wish it were an in game toggle option
wintry glade
The code is pinned in #full-body-tracking
craggy stump
would it be complicated to set up a gesture that summons a mesh and does a facial expression. more specifically, a mesh that provides effects for teh facial expression
in avatar 3.0 that is
lime plume
its pretty simple to have an expression to toggle a game object and change blendshapes
ionic slate
tawdry bough
be careful guys. some sections might have been invaded
like there's avatars that have been changed
in the avatar 3.0 world
thick sleet
ever since this update i havent been able to see my face change w/ gestures etc. in mirrors or cameras, lol
cazzy, in steam VRC launch settings put --legacy-fbt-calibrate, i did that as soon as i heard how bad it was lol, never even tried the new way
topaz moss
Fluffy, are you putting your face-changes in the right layer?
waxen siren
: ) deviant art i so shit with the eclipse them that i cant even find what i want anymore i be spending half the day looking for one thing
waxen siren
how do you guys find stuff or do you make them yourself ?
rain marlin
how do you guys find stuff or do you make them yourself ?
@waxen siren if you mean objects or avatars you can make them or improve some that alredy exist, mixing them or doing tons of stuff like changing the thexture and etc, bo oth deviant art and other pages have some good mmd archives were you could get some interesting items
waxen siren
oh ya ik how to do it, its just i cant seam to find the stuff i want. but iv seen stuff on others that have the specify style i want and i dont know it they got that item like if it was a free download, maid it them self or got i commissioned
rain marlin
you just have to keep going, a lot of times people dont get what they want, so you can think, eh this works, or make it yourself
waxen siren
well i mean i do know how to 3D model its just makeing high quality clothes and avatars is hard if you dont have the right equipment. like a graphics pad or what not, but what i mean is i go on deviant try to find male cloths and stuff but 90% are female items so i was just woundering if anyone had like a method of finding what they needed but i appreciate the help anyway
rain marlin
booth have tons of male things
waxen siren
<.< the only male stuff i find is like boring jeans and basic t-shirts
pastel birch
I’m just curious, do I have to make my avatars just like the 3.0? Or can I continue to make them like I always have.
gray gorge
2.0 is still supported and you can keep making avatars through that iirc
Though you’ll have to access a 2.0 avatar’s emotes through the action menu now instead of the original button
It’ll probably get deprecated eventually though (and the new system is really good), so you should try to learn it at some point
glad cloak
How are people setting their idle pose for vrc images attatched to avatars now?
where doth one put such an idle animation
gray gorge
vrc images? what do you mean by that
toxic arch
Hey, does anyone happen to know a shader that acts like blender's global/camera texture coordinate? Ie, no matter the angle the model acts like a "cutout" for the texture
sly spear
A similar request was already posted here https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-30/p/feedback-add-even-more-animation-properties
wintry glade
"We've got a lot of requests for various Animation Parameters, but each one of them incurs a non-zero cost for updating each frame. This also includes the alias-able Expression parameters.
Obviously, we understand the desire for more (I've got a couple I want myself), but we've got to be careful not to make AV3 avatars inherently less performant."
Just gonna end up being a lag fest imo
merry swan
You can do alot with 16 
glad cloak
@gray gorge The image people see when they look at you in their friends list, the one you save when publishing the avatar
gray gorge
Ah
I never actually use the unity model for that image, I take a picture & put it into the scene as a 2D image and then point the camera at that plane
merry swan
I just duplicate model , pose it and use that for the profile picture for avatar , every one of my scenes have a template so they are in the same spot for background image
gray gorge
Or yeah, have a duplicate model in scene with no components on it
gray gorge
make an animation clip that’s just 1 frame of the pose you want
then make a controller for the duped model whose only state is that animation clip
steel vine
can someone help me with an avatar
glad cloak
Aight
steel vine
im trying to find military avatrs
does anyone
have any idea
where i can find those
stone pilot
Every time I get in VRC in full body it marks me as AFK unless I turn it off in the hand menu? Is really annoying as I makes it so I can’t bind into avatars, anyone have any idea why?
Doesn’t matter what avatar
gray gorge
The change log mentioned there was some sort of bug where SteamVR was inaccurately marking as AFK in some cases
echo arch
has anyone documented any fixes yet on the Elongated avatar issue? (new fullbody setup stretching parts of your avatar like neck)
fluid grotto
That’s a new one
Do you have a copy of the avatar on your computer or is it someone else’s upload
I would make sure it didn’t have any bones resized in unity - those are known to reset themselves in game and look really weird
silver adder
Apparently, someone hacked the Avatars 3.0 hub and replaced all the avatars with (I'm going to assume) NSFW avatars.
echo arch
its my own avatar i made
wintry glade
What's the rig look like?
echo arch
uhh where can i post pic?
i mean it looks fairly standard
i had the neck fix but i had removed it, increased neck bone size and weight painted properly
wintry glade
Uh I guess we can move to #avatar-rigging
fluid grotto
You can upload pictures in #avatar-help as well
echo arch
oki
posted it there
i also noticed
it wasnt only the neck
but also the waist
and it was very easy to notice since when i moved around, it would actually change back into the "normal" position aka not stretched
but when i stopped it would go back
so im not sure if its a proportion issue...or my bones are off somehow
really no clue
fluid grotto
It sounds to me like your avatar was edited in unity like it was squished a little bit in unity instead of blender
So as soon as an animation plays that doesn’t have the squish, it gets unsquished
wintry glade
Did you apply and reset the tpose in unity after you fixed the neck?
echo arch
but im not sure how that would stretch it beyond its usual limits?
fluid grotto
It tends to have the reverse effect of whatever you changed
wintry glade
If you change bones in blender you need to redo the rig config
echo arch
hmm? i mean its a new model i didnt use old anything
and i see adeon..
i guess it could be that
thank you for the help, i now have a bit more to go off on
💓
haughty juniper
Is there any hope for the vr chat team to add a way to adjust camera settings more than just the eye height?
Some smaller avatars (even within sdk limits) still have clipping issues on their near field camera
if we could adjust that on an avatar-by-avatar basis I would be very thankful ;-;
haughty juniper
I understand that
so on some wordls I cant see my torso
I think there should be an option to make the avatar control the settings
since for some smaller avatars you cant see torso or arms
neon finch
hello guys i just move to sdk 3 and i dont knwo how can i change the prone animation
can someone help me pls
drowsy sigil
U change it in the example locomotion animator in the sdk
Or make ur own setup for ur locomotion layer
verbal forum
anyone know how to not blink with facial gestures that have eyes already closed
supple idol
can anyone get me any castle crashers avatars other than the green knight? Please help me out or dm me!
craggy stump
do i still need to configure my avatar's rig in unity ?
on that same note, which eyebones do i select this time around? RightEye and LeftEye, or Eye_R and Eye_L?
fluid grotto
Is there any hope for the vr chat team to add a way to adjust camera settings more than just the eye height?
Some smaller avatars (even within sdk limits) still have clipping issues on their near field camera
@haughty juniper add a camera to the avatar’s head with a custom nearclip distance it will be used
Downside is it only works for private uploads
Two copies of blueprint in same world will break it
primal pecan
yo where do you download the avatar 3.0 sdk i cant seem to find it anywhere
verbal forum
How do you cancel CATS Blink when ur doing gestures or emotes
fluid grotto
Add a behavior to the animation state called VRC Animator Tracking Control and set eyes/eyelids to “Animation”
It will stick, so in the state that plays when it’s done add another setting it back to Tracking
Also recommend the animation open the eyes in case you catch it mid-blink cuz they’ll pause like that
cobalt rapids
Anyone know if there's a good method to do parameter addition or subtraction?
I honestly just wish the parameter drives had a drop down for some basic math functions
haughty juniper
@haughty juniper add a camera to the avatar’s head with a custom nearclip distance it will be used
@fluid grotto are you serious? My hero
😍
fluid grotto
Yes. That’s also how you do third person avatar
merry swan
When you use an avatar thats small but use a local avatar thats larger, i look like im floating around for others
craggy stump
is it possible to create multiple sub-menus using duplicates of the examples provided? for example i want to add submenus which contain differnt types of emotes, can i just duplicate what VRC provided in the sdk?
fluid grotto
You will have to recreate it, as the example is not in the SDK, but yes it would just be a submenu
sinful junco
Can someone explain what might be happening, Avatar 3.0 i have a 2 axis puppet controlling my tail on my avatar, other people including friends cannot see me move it when i use it. I have the animations on the gesture layer with a mask since it transforms the tail bones. but still people cannot see me move it
deep fog
Dose anyone have a shark face avatar from red vs blue that works with full body tracking?
surreal sedge
Like the Halo shark face avatar? I use a red shark face avatar as my main avatar but I don’t have full body tracking
swift sun
@restive rivet I saw you talking about it, was even said like a date about the implementation of the avatar resize? As I'm really interested but didn't followed the project that much. If you want, you can dm me the answer as I'll probably lose it in the amount of messages here
deep fog
@surreal sedge yes that avatar. I found one but it did not work with full body. Then I found one that did but the avatar world that it came from got deleted and I don’t have it anymore. : (
restive rivet
@swift sun Not for now, all they said is that it was too buggy for their liking and that they will add it again when it's stable enough
swift sun
lul, ok
silver adder
Wrong channel.
The avatar channels are for discussing avatar development. Not finding avatars.
fossil jetty
just realized you can totally do an avatar creation avatar, and have all the body/scaling/color options within one avatar with hundreds of options, high polygons tho
hazy wind
Is it normal that my Build and Test avatars can't be used? ;o;
sturdy smelt
When you click it in game, it doesn't show preview I think
You kinda just have to click it and hit change anyway
frozen shore
I'm curious, are dynamic bones even still a thing?? I cannot seem to find them anywhere o.o
merry swan
Yes ? asset store unity
frozen shore
Wait you have to get dynamic bones in the asset store? What wizardry is this..
merry swan
yes its an actually paid asset
neon finch
You're supposed to buy them. That way you also always have the updated version
candid forum
I guarantee 90% of people who have the dynamic bones files didn't pay for them
They're absolutely everywhere lol
merry swan
'duh'
Bought them on sale ages ago ,10 is less then i use on food a day
Goes on humblebundle sales sometimes too
frozen shore
I had absolutely no idea! Huh
silver adder
I can see why people pirate it, nobody wants to pay $20 for something they won't be using very often, unless they are a VRChat enthusiast.
I'll probably pick it up around my birthday just to have it, even though i don't really have any avatars that have parts meant to be dynamic/physics driven.
neon finch
There was a tool in blender that was auto rig your stuff
what was the name again?
cats tools or something like that
Cats blender plugin
yea thats what it is
thanks boss
glacial forge
I know that there is good documentation on the Avatars 3.0 and other builds, but what is a good tutorial video(s) on creating an avatar in and adding all of the 3.0 features?
shut creek
3.0 upsets me
i just want my emotes back in my emote menu
is that too much to ask for?
also with 3.0 getting an avatar made now is going to cost extra
i hate this
neon finch
You can still use the 2.0 sdk if you want to
craggy stump
lol having emotes in the new menu is pretty damn easy imo
glad oxide
does anyone know if the new action menu is also available to SDK2 avatars? I have a WIP SDK2 avatar that I'd rather not have to flush down the drain 😭
neon finch
For SDK2, the action menu is more just added on top. But sdk2 avatars all work like normal. You can keep using sk2 the same as always, you just won't be able to do a lot of the new stuff that 3.0 allows
glad oxide
yay thanks
only reason I'm using SDK2 is simplicity - I poked SDK3 and was pretty quickly turned off by the lack of cohesive docs or tutorials, as I'm pretty bad at all this 3d stuff
silver adder
Yeah, SDK3 requires a LOT more general knowledge about Unity itself and not just the VRChat SDK exclusive functions.
But in turn, is WAY more powerful in terms of what you can do with it.
dense gale
using Avatar 3 technology would it be possible to build like, a working phone that can message people, for example? o:
silver adder
We haven't gotten THAT far yet, but you could easily fake it.
median pasture
polar crane
I found a kinda, weird and funny thing yesterday 😄 Laying down in fullbody with my 3.0 avatar raises the toes on my left foot. When I standing up it goes back to normal. I know the solution is to remove the toes in the humanoid rig... but this is a kinda funny bug 😛
neon finch
so like dumb question: can you still do gestures without using the new menu? I haven't been able to try out ingame yet due to school and stuff^^ It just sounds a bit clunky and immersion breaking if you can't change your facial expressions on a whim anymore 👀
hushed siren
yes if you use the built in parameter for gestures
visual dagger
you don't have to use the built in stuff to make it work, but yes it can be done
unless you mean triggering blendshapes based on current VRCEmote parameter, then that would be the best way to do it
hushed siren
hmm, i have it based on GestureLeft. blendshapes on FX
visual dagger
oh right, hand gestures
sorry, I'm watching something else 😛 you're right, the GestureLeft/Right is correct
quiet plover
so is it still possible to add chairs to avatar 3.0?
glacial forge
After looking at people's messages, I've come to ask the question: should I start on SDK2 and slowly migrate to SDK3, or should I dive right into SDK3, as it offers more unique possibilities?
For reference, I've never tried making an avatar in either SDK, so I want people's opinions on the matter
hushed siren
setting up an avatar is different in each so id suggest go for 3 from the get go to avoid any confusion
glacial forge
ok, thanks
neon finch
thank god your not FORCED to use sdk3... still can use sdk2
neon finch
its bit more advanced for advanced users, because if parameters and stuff, i will still use sdk2 because it works just fine, only exception u cant use action menu with it, which im fine with because I dont like it
toxic arch
Honestly the action menu has such good potential but i wish they would allow us to close it and stay in the menu last opened
Although eve n so it is... eh
lots of potential but it is just too complex, particularly for your average joe
robust glen
If you're not planning anything complex I'd actually recommend to stick with 2.0. it's quicker to throw animations on. If youre actually planning on using some of the more advanced features of the new sdk, you can get the new sdk
wintry glade
Yeah it really depends on what you want to do
upbeat crescent
SDK2 is good to start with but the second you go "damnit why can't i--" it's time to check out Av3.0
robust glen
Personally I never used animations or gestures on the avatars anyways, but I'm still playing with 3.0 out of curiosity
Not really, you can do essentially everything you could do in 2.0, you just can do more of that stuff with the sub menus and stuff
wintry glade
AV3 has specific things that are impossible in AV2, thats what he means by "dammit why cant i"
robust glen
Like?
wintry glade
Blend trees, disabling animation/locomotion, different gestures per hand, using given parameters like visemes or gestures to enable different things
glacial forge
hmmmm
robust glen
You can already manipulate the visemes and etc with 2.0, but I will admit the the locomotion and separate gestures per hand
glacial forge
i might try to learn 3.0, even tho i prob wont use any new features
robust glen
Which is a definitely nice addition
Yeah it can't hurt it'll just hurt more at firsr
glacial forge
just in case i ever find a need for it
wintry glade
No no, you can have something happen when you make a sound is what I mean, not changing the visemes. Reacting to them
robust glen
It is
wintry glade
Have you worked with animators before?
robust glen
And the documentation provided is lackluster
wintry glade
I've been using this: https://vrcudon.com/tutorials/avatars/avatars-3-0-setup/
foggy pelican
It mostly has to do with things looking confusing. In reality it's not that bad.
robust glen
It's definitely worse imo
glacial forge
ok
wintry glade
And the official documentation: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatars-30
robust glen
But it has the ability to unlock I guess certain advanced features
glacial forge
do you have to know sdk 2.0 for sdk 3.0?
robust glen
Ones I unfortunately never will use
Not really, they're essentially completely different
wintry glade
And Lyuma's testing plugin is really nice: https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator/releases
glacial forge
ok
i just need to learn how to make an avatar in the first place and then see all of the new features
robust glen
Ok, apparently that's not allowed to be said
wintry glade
yeah dont dive too deep if you dont need to, making a basic avatar in AV3 isnt really that different than AV2 IMO
glacial forge
alright
wintry glade
Mention a website?
robust glen
It isn't, the base is the same
Yeah apparently
Whatever
Just get one from mix a mo
And throw that into unity and futz with it
glacial forge
ok
robust glen
Since ybot is epic
glacial forge
i have no earthly idea what this means
robust glen
Lol
wintry glade
No matter the learning curve there's no time limit, take your time, take it slow, figure it out
robust glen
Don't worry about it, half the avatar creators are just winging it
robust glen
Yeah fair
glacial forge
im in a meeting
wintry glade
lmao
robust glen
Meeting gang 💪
glacial forge
nothing interesting is happening
wintry glade
school < AV3 😔
glacial forge
its the first day of school for me
so its all just icebreakers
nothing fun
or rather, nothing interesting
school isnt fun
unless you take the right electives
and classes
i wish i could play vrchat rn
but my parents would prob like yell at me or something
also i have another meeting in 9 mins
what could i do in 9 mins?
go to a world, say hi, then leave
wintry glade
Read the AV3 documentation
wintry glade
It only seems lackluster if you dont understand, once things start clicking it gets more and more useful
But reading without understanding still has its uses
wintry glade
To a degree lol
Life is a balance, dont overwork yourself on a game like VRC when you have actual work to do
glacial forge
why are we getting so deep over avatar creation and school
we're like starting to discuss the meaning of life and happiness at this point
wintry glade
🤷♂️
strange lake
Anyone else having problems with pelvis and thigh bones not being on a 180 degree angle alignment from each other, even on my old avatars that were fine before the update I get this error and it breaks animations is this the new norm or.....
neon finch
they posted in latest patch that there was an "Emoji Missing" for some people in the action menu, very important to fix instead of the other 100 bugs it has, despite talking about performance/optimization of the game... pushing updates without testing it longer then 1month doesnt make the game better, i feel like they rushed it.. i might be wrong
strange lake
yo
neon finch
dont have any issues with bones currently
strange lake
oh weird I was using the old sdk i just realized ill try with the new one 😂
fluid grotto
they posted in latest patch that there was an "Emoji Missing" for some people in the action menu, very important to fix instead of the other 100 bugs it has, despite talking about performance/optimization of the game... pushing updates without testing it longer then 1month doesnt make the game better, i feel like they rushed it.. i might be wrong
@neon finch it was a joke. Laugh a little it’s a free game
neon finch
hm
worldly sage
Anyone making comprehensive video tutorial yet
glacial forge
thats what i was wondering too... just find a regular tutorial and ask people in the discord for help
empty lark
once i get an oculus quest ima get some index controllers and vive trackers
that's my whole idea for my idea of a full immersement of my new avatar idea
glacial forge
i wish i could get a valve index
or the controllers at least
and some random headset
like the rift s or something
and then full body tracking
steel iron
https://youtu.be/lpekqN4_4xg
Going to go through the example controllers and tidy those bad boys up.
hushed siren
i like it for the original rift
fluid grotto
My tutorial was a mess because I refused to write a script so I didn’t upload it lol
What is needed, from the perspective of someone that already knows how to do a 2.0 avatar?
Problem is that won’t age well since eventually most people will just be coming in fresh
hasty marsh
hii i made a tutorial for anyone that is extrremly new to upload AND sdk3 hope it helps!
https://youtu.be/LrWhqLBf4sQ
fluid grotto
Good stuff
fringe cobalt
Please look up models if you want them. We are not sure if those models are open source or not.
fluid grotto
This is also a channel for SDK3 help. Not avatar requests
regal wyvern
Quick question...to update my avatars to 3.0 (or to start using 3.0 stuff) i have have to replace the SDK in unity right?
Delete the old assest and then put in the new one as it were right?
or is it more complex thtne that?
upper remnant
use a new project
regal wyvern
got ya
slim panther
anyone got the clancy from the midnight gospel avatar?
timber meteor
anyone think the sdk 3 walking animation while sitting irl is weird? its pushing my character up when i walk so my real head is actually at my characters chest height, either that or my character goes into a weird swimming pose as i crouch irl
fluid grotto
Under what conditions is the default mood two axis added to an avatar upload? I have yet to see it happen
Added them as shape keys and uploaded an avatar with no overridden parameters or menu, but I just get the eight default emotes.
restive rivet
once i get an oculus quest ima get some index controllers and vive trackers
Everything but the headset will have steamvr tracking and that can be messy, idk if it would be a better idea to get a steamvr headset instead
fluid grotto
Can confirm Quest with vive trackers was a drift fest, and you will spend even more money than just going full index
Moved to full index, much happier, should have done it in the first place
Quest is lovely just not for full body
valid patrol
Wmr 😔
dense storm
what is this not yet allowed status I get in Unity for creating avatar.
fluid grotto
Your account is still considered a visitor in VRchat. You have to play for a bit so it changes from Visitor to New User. Cuts down on spam and trolling.
?upload
dusk coralBOT
You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.
As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.
Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions
jaunty ruin
Are there prefabs for avatar 3.0
fluid grotto
If there aren’t already I’m sure there will be. It’s still somewhat new
radiant grail
there are some 3.0 booth models but those cost money
jaunty ruin
O is it hard to just make them myself?
glacial forge
is there any notification that tells you when you level up to new user?
like can you go to your profile on vrchat.com and find out what rank you are
copper ivy
so while trying to fix my radial puppet to close eyes, i ended up disabling both eyes as i thought that might be a workaround as the default state. and then in second anim blink goes to 100 and both eyes still disables still. Interestingly it still works in unity fine, and while it does not initially work in VRC, if i hit reset avatar under expressions it starts to work... however reset also seems to break hand tracking horribly and they just snap to random locations after that
fluid grotto
is there any notification that tells you when you level up to new user?
@glacial forge you get it in game and I think you get an email a few minutes later. But you’ll know in game becasue your nametag and boarder around your quick menu profile becomes blue and your in game profile says New User instead of Visitor
White, blue, green, orange, then purple
You only get the email for blue tho
The others are cosmetic
native fulcrum
so now that hands are independent does this mean we can have 14 different gestures?
hushed siren
more if you take extra steps
merry swan
after 57120 you will start having to use 2 paramters to add more
glacial forge
ok thanks
uncut pulsar
is there any way to have a marker on your avatar ?
uncut pulsar
was that a yes to the marker and i dont know to how make avatars fly
jaunty ruin
U can do markers in 2.0 so I don't see why u can't in 3.0
uncut pulsar
when i add a marker to my avatar it keeps making my delete it or it wont upload
jaunty ruin
It might be different
tranquil flare
so my afk animations just arent playing on any avatar anyone know why that might be?
merry swan
Might have turned it off, thats a setting now
tranquil flare
where is that setting i dont see it plz and thank u
merry swan
open menu afk toggle there ,somewhere
drowsy sigil
It's in config
valid patrol
Where can I find lipsync example images / descriptions for the blendshapes
humble jewel
google visemes
valid patrol
wasnt there a thing on the vrchat site that had the names of lipsync visemes
humble jewel
https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/audio-ovrlipsync-viseme-reference/?locale=en_US i think these ones specifically are used for visemes in vrchat
because they use the oculus sdk
valid patrol
epic thanks
foggy cloak
Question. Getting started with making my own avatars, is there anything i would be missing if i used the VRCSDK3 to make avatars, over what the blog suggests that use VRCSDK2 for avatar making?
novel saddle
I would use VRCSDK2 first before you start Avatars 3.0 @foggy cloak
foggy cloak
im just concerned with the incompatibly the docs mentioned.
wintry olive
does any one now shaders i can download and can u help
foggy cloak
im just starting to learn, so i figured id start with the newer stuff, since it will be better supported moving forward, i just dont know if there is some functional differences between the two versions that i would loose that arnt in the new SDK3.
wintry olive
i just need a shader
hushed siren
SDK3 is a bit easier to implement some stuff but you gotta know a bit about unity
how to manage the animator controllers and such
foggy cloak
ok. Crash course in unity animations on the checklist. Thanks 🙂
hushed siren
should be simple to find a demo video on youtube to setup an avatar in each sdk to compare
foggy cloak
ooo ill look that up thanks
someone help sleepybunny get their shader. im good now. thanks
wintry olive
thx prime
void swift
So does anybody know why we are limited to 16 parameters?
wintry olive
.....
foggy pelican
16 parameters should be plenty considering their value can go up to 255.
tranquil pulsar
Optimization reasons probably.
void swift
I'm guessing. That's really the only thing that will limit me
foggy pelican
Plus those are just sync parameters you can have a lot more parameters locally.
void swift
ohhhhh that makes sense
networking
Ok well I can axe some outfits I guess. I just need to free up one parameter
and you need the default ones to do normal gestures and stuff right?
wintry olive
welp i tryed to ask for help
void swift
you're in the wrong channel sleepy
neon finch
lol
wintry olive
ik i asked in help too and i try lol
neon finch
what do you all recommend for starting to make avatars?
I want to try but I don't know where to start.
foggy cloak
neon finch
Thanks.
foggy cloak
@wintry olive http://vrchat.wikidot.com/info:shaders hope this helps.... im not there yet myself so...
neon finch
so, you can use SDK2 in this new update but you will be limited due to SDK3 has alot more?
visual dagger
yes, if you don't use the new version you don't get the new features
fallow sequoia
@void swift you don't need VRCEmote if you don't use the default Actions layer and you don't need VRCFaceBlendV/H if you aren't making compatible blendshapes with the default FX layer, so that's 3 more slots.
void swift
ok I figured out how to use less parameters to accomplish the same goals as well
slow wagon
literally cant turn around without my avatar doing hand gestures. wtf.
elfin turret
Can we modify the example Animator Controllers and redistribute them with avatars?
I wonder if I can apply the term below (in EULA) for them.
(b) reproduce, modify, and use any sample software provided to you in source code format as part of the SDK in either object code or source code formats solely in connection with your development and use of Virtual Content within the Service;
eager horizon
what are the settings you guys use for recording videos for your showcase? I get like 20 mb per second with my setup
safe mirage
@eager horizon I use a gif recorder
eager horizon
those are quite big too
safe mirage
upload it to YouTube would be my suggestion.
videos aren't really loading on my phone for some reason. I always had to download them to see them
visual dagger
i just use obs to record things, but I've also been using it for streaming and recording youtube videos so I already had it installed
visual dagger
might want to lower your bitrate if it's making videos that large
eager horizon
I wanted to know what setings you people use for quality
visual dagger
mine are set at 2500
eager horizon
so I can get decent quality with a small file size
visual dagger
ok, so for fullscreen (1080p) recordings I'm using 2500 kbps with CBR rate control
using nvenc for encoder, although x264 is about the same size
eager horizon
wouldnt really matter to me, Both run like shit for me lol
visual dagger
so, bitrate is basically your filesize and quality, higher numbers cause bigger files
twitch as an example uses a max of 6000 kbps, so anything 2500-6000 should be more than reasonable
visual dagger
gotcha
well, as an example, when i record at 1440p fullscreen, 2500 kbps gives me a 45mb file for ~21 minutes
jaunty ruin
How can I sent up so when I say something I toggle a animations I've seen it
I Wana make an Amazon echo
rain marlin
anyone have a place to donwload afk animations?
jaunty ruin
Yeah I secon that
tough maple
does udon work on avatars?
visual dagger
udon is for worlds
sturdy smelt
and have it to where if you fall for too long you start a super hero landing
eager horizon
it takes over your rig as soon as youre not grounded and makes you look like a retard when walking down stairs
visual dagger
hah
eager horizon
like even the smallest fall trigger it which is dumb
it should have a delay
and I know I can set it up myself
but I am not doing this for all of my avatars ffs
visual dagger
if its happening with the default locomotion animations just going down stairs, then i'd consider it a bug since you aren't actually falling
visual dagger
even if you managed to make custom animations to 'delay' the fall, they would probably still play because the parameter value changed
eager horizon
yeah but you can set up logic to wait for the parameter to be on for a certain amount of time
visual dagger
like, you'd have to setup some pretty hacky animation work around to actually stop the animations from playing
visual dagger
i haven't actually tried to setup something to wait until a parameter has maintained a value for X amount of time
eager horizon
I walk around manually everywhere and every ledge has these issues now, I never use the thumbsticks
jaunty ruin
How do I make a Viseme trigger system
restive rivet
Apparently, for other players, playspace movement changes velocity. This is inconsistent, be careful if you do stuff with velocity in your avatars
Made a canny about it cause this looks like a bug
neon finch
is SDK3 worth switching to?
neat jay
Absolutely if you want to use the features it offers
And personally think it's worth it even if you dont intend on making anims and controls because it makes setup pretty easy and nice customizations with eyemovement and such
wintry glade
Even if you dont go crazy with animations, it has the benefits of the new eye tracking system and per hand gestures
zenith robin
is it possible to change avatar size in game with avatar 3.0 i dunno why but my avatars sizes have changed
so my normal sized one is nower smaller and my tall one is now smaller
fluid grotto
is it possible to change avatar size in game with avatar 3.0 i dunno why but my avatars sizes have changed
@zenith robin It is a planned future feature for SDK3
zenith robin
ah ok dokey
bold jewel
i love when unity decides to update itself to the latest version 🙄
graceful violet
After the new 3.0 update when i go into vr (HTC VIVE) and move around with the pad it triggers gestures all the time which is very annoying, anyone knows why?
neon finch
deactivate gestures
graceful violet
There's no other way around it?...
i don't want to deactivate and active them all the time
neon finch
i think thats the only way
burnt flax
as cool to see more than 1 skin on a body. i now know that is not the best idea see the stat jump up in number
fluid grotto
If it’s just a material swap the rating shouldn’t change
burnt flax
ya. i try work on that. it just break. but that ok. people can just go to my world and pick what skin they want. i do have 1 color changing impim and tiger
stone pilot
Is there any way to make a check for when your mic is muted in game? Pls @ with response
fluid grotto
There is no parameter for that sorry. You can know when you aren’t speaking but it’s indistinguishable from being muted or unmuted but no audio
In both cases integer Viseme is zero
hoary jetty
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but...right about when Avatars 3 rolled out, two of the avatars in my favourites were replaced with symbols indicating they are not available. Both came from the same avatar world where I got them months ago; going back there now, that world has disappeared. Could the avatar maker have deactivated them from my favourites? Or is this related to Avatars 3? Anyone with any ideas? Thanks!
merry swan
Probably deleted them,
fluid grotto
Avatar 3.0 wouldn’t have deleted any blueprints. The creator set them to private, or deleted them.
hoary jetty
That's great, thanks so much. I looked for answers on google, should have just come here. I didn't know the creator could do that.
jaunty ruin
How do I make a Viseme trigger system
stone pilot
I figured it'd be possible to check when visemes are all 0 but I think that'd work wrong for what I want to do damn.
I wanted to create a little system where when I mute my mic a little symbol pops up above my ava but I think if I did it based on visemes it'd pop up anytime I take a break in speaking so that wouldnt be right
broken heron
Is the Avatars 3.0 on the SDK 2 or SDK 3?
merry swan
https://vrchat.com/home/download 'download sdk3 - avatars'
broken heron
ah, many thanks
merry swan
Dont mix them make a new project, you can just drag the folder in sdk2 avatar to it, (what i did anyway)
toxic arch
I'm lowkey wondering if I should make a "pride" tab and have the ability to show off pride flags lol
signal sigil
So has anyone had any success in animating the view point? Because you can animate it - it just doesn't seem to work on the action layer
doesn't work on the locomotion layer either
lost niche
that sounds like it would be on FX?
lost niche
what are you trying to do with it?
signal sigil
dynamic resizing with radial puppets
one for size one for view point
just match the % and it will work
but the view point refuses to be tampered with
lost niche
I think they had a warning that the mover shouldn't be used for avatar scaling
but I have no idea how that works
signal sigil
you can scale it in the fx layer
pretty easily
just the view point doesn't move with it
and you can animate the view point with an animation, just no layer seems to respond to it
donno if this is intentional because they have some kind of disabled component that they removed on release
which frankly - if I can manually adjust my viewpoint I don't need a component
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lost niche
No clue, I just moved my playspace when I needed to fit a scale change
signal sigil
yeah that is a good solution for vr
because as you scale your model up/down your model will act as if it crouches
donno if you can scale it proper to forward/backwards
maybe
either way - this seems to be a dead end
neon finch
We actually had the ability in the beta, but the view point rescale calculator was disabled on the live launch because of some bugs that they want to fix before bringing it back
But in the beta, it did work well enough as a proof of concept
https://youtu.be/dTrXcij3z8M
signal sigil
yeah I saw that
which is why I think adjusting the viewpoint is just disabled
I'm all for things making it easier, but I kinda wish they'd allow it to be animated anyway
whats the harm
sturdy smelt
They only took it out of live to rework it
signal sigil
well here is hoping it will be back soon then
uncut pulsar
its anyone having a problem with the sdk looking for a prefab of the avatar and it just make tons of clone prefabs and wont upload the avatar
restive rivet
whats the harm
If shaders can make you dizzy imagine animated viewpoints
its anyone having a problem with the sdk looking for a prefab of the avatar and it just make tons of clone prefabs and wont upload the avatar
@uncut pulsar check the full console, there may be another error before the prefab one
fluid grotto
Animated viewpoints making people dizzy is a non issue. You can already do that with cameras on the avatar
No point restricting use just due to that
It has a ton of practical applications, and I’m pretty sure it is already planned anyway
restive rivet
Fair, if used properly it may have cool uses
toxic arch
Hi, I figure'd I would drop a neat tool i found
its a bit complex but easy to learn and allows you to easily pose fingers and such
wild relic
i have 24 hours of play time but i still cant use model i made for my avatar
silver adder
You need WAY more than 24 hours for New User, took me 72 hours.
last shuttle
avatar rank is not tied to play time
wild relic
@last shuttle so what is it?
last shuttle
activity
wild relic
oh taht explains everything i played for while and let the game run in the bcakground while i was doing somthing else
last shuttle
yes u can't do that
craggy stump
took me only 24 hours for new user
lapis sand
Thanks @toxic arch gotta try it out sometime
toxic arch
yw
jaunty ruin
How do I do Viseme triggers
frosty cosmos
anyone know y my eyes are fine in unity and gone in vrc?
woeful ruin
Please pay attention to the upgrade instructions for SDK3-Avatars when upgrading: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/updating-the-sdk#sdk3---avatars
Not following these instructions will result in the loss of avatar animator data.
floral rock
Is it expected the upcoming binding patch would result in an sdk update?
slow dune
How do I convert a previously SDK2 unity to an SDK3?
tacit zephyr
slow dune
lol
charred lynx
Oh my God the crouch "fix" animation is so bad what is going On
I'm permanatley bowlegged
brave steeple
Did they fix the avatar size animation?
mighty condor
i know it's fustrating
heady niche
Hello! All my VRCSDK3 avatars are now crumpling into balls when going prone. They were crouching and going prone very nicely before the update we just got a few minutes ago, so I am hoping this is not a permanent change and wanted to mention this caused some issues for live, previously good avatars.
lime plume
heady niche
They all has custom crouch and prone anims set up ^-^ and tested, and they were very solid until now.
lime plume
check what tupper is saying in the other channel, might have something to do with it
worldly obsidian
Even the default robot body is messed up.
steel iron
- Full-Body Tracking should not track the head during locomotion to avoid leg dragging and other issues
Yeah, I disagree with this one. But I can just change it myself, right?
My locomotions made sense finally. My head would look where I was looking when I moved instead of the animation taking full control and making it awkward.
neon finch
@torpid prawn a dedicated button is coming back I believe
Well, the announcement said next week they plan to add binding controls so we can choose which buttons activate the action menue. I would assume maybe then
Do binding at the same time
half imp
@torpid prawn Yes, next week for an update that allows some bindings in client for oculus and people on index that don't use (or care to use) steam mapping. Right now you can go use steam to map gesture lock to any button
Yes, which is why binding mapper next week. Had to get this patch out now for other fixes. Will take a few more days for binder in client.
Already super aware. I play vrchat too and I don't use the steam mapping 😛
Shocking I know
fallow sequoia
Pressing the menu button to exit "remembers" the menu you are on so gesture lock should come up immediately if you exit that way
faint quartz
My animations in the radial menu grayed out when I switched to a 2.0 avatar and back to my 3.0 avatar, not sure if that's a bug or me making a mistake. Debug said it was either a v2 or something else
half imp
We were aware it was moving down a notch but remembering the menu and simplifying the entry "home" UI plus the fact we're working on a binding thing in client plus the fact people can steam map meant.. let's simplify entry menu and close methods. Which in the long run will be better for everyone
yes, unfortunately
half imp
Literally standing in vrchat in the design meeting going "people gonna complain we're moving gesture toggle down a menu" but.. we'll fix soon.
last shuttle
o god do u guys do stand up meeting in vrchat LOL
last shuttle
is that a daily stand up LOL
half imp
Never will there be rip protection for any game ever. If we or anyone can invent that tech they will be zillionaires.
Once something is on your graphics card it's rippable
Nope
Not really
I"ve been doing this for 32 years. Never once seen anything work
Age old lock and key thing
There's def ways to try and help but at the end of the day you have the asset on your graphics card.
lime plume
this mans had the nerve to tell me that another vr game had rip proof avatars
half imp
Anyway.. back to avatars 3 general
errant cargo
Howdy, just wondering if the remeasure avatar feature has be enabled in this update, I'd really love to add a scaling feature to my avatar
half imp
If you mean scaling controls in the action menu that needs a much deeper dive before we can release.
errant cargo
Yeah, that's a bummer do take your time with it though, I'll just make do with my super bootleg method
half imp
@torpid prawn it's a very complex issue. Believe me, we're always working to improve security.
tall vine
Whats your name before name change moon?
errant cargo
I don't think an ID system would really help, stuff like Ninjaripper or 3DX would just bypass it entirely
Software rippers don't care about any of that, they literally just capture whatever's on screen
It'll always be an issue
tall vine
Most avatar theft prevention has to be from the person who uploads and involves using some basic tricks that make editing the model so much of a hassel people would rather not deal with it even if they do rip it
These also fall under avatar optimization most of the time
Really i seriously know you are in flow but i dont remember you
soft crown
o-oh 👀
im playspace moving off of the ground in 3 point...
tall vine
Yes and no
errant cargo
I'm honestly not too knowledgable when it comes to it, I think adding some form of anti-cheat may be able to detect software rippers but it would only dely them for a bit someone would eventually bypass it
That and the community would probably go batshit
Since alot of anti-cheats can be a bit intrusive
It also makes it a pain in the ass for regular people
Not worth imo
tall vine
Even if they stopped people from getting the unity package you still need to put work into your models to prevent or make people think wow this looks like a pain in the ass and give up
last shuttle
in general if you make it harder for legit user it is not a good pratice
half imp
This channel is supposed to be avatars 3. What you are talking about is talked about constantly. If you want to talk about it can you move this convo to feature requests or vrchat-general.
Otherwise you'll be going around and around all night
thanks
appreciate it
errant cargo
👍
paper ember
Has anyone figured out how to interact with other players dynamic bones using 3.0?
half imp
We're gonna work on a proper designed avatar to avatar collider system this year
and some other cool stuff
So it doesn't need to depend on hacks and hacked clients
lol
And bad design
neon finch
I saw that I the blog post. I was pleasantly surprised to see that!
half imp
I mean, what's the one thing everyone wants to do avatar to avatar 😉
neon finch
And the avatar remeasure component. I know it was disabled for fixes, but still excited for the potential of that
errant cargo
I like really big avatars~ 
neon finch
same. I like really small avatars too. Will be nice not needing multiple sizes of the same avatar
errant cargo
Yeah being able to use a single avatar for it would be real handy
Clears up the avatar list too
Win win as they say
neon finch
half imp
PIcturing every world with avatars scaling up and down like crazy all the time
sand wren
imagine if scaling was natively part of the action menu
sand wren
well scaling with action menu ingame without needing custom controllers
half imp
Yes, I understand and I'm telling you that we already had it
sand wren
o
neon finch
you had it since 2016?
You've been holding out on us
half imp
There's very real design consequences of that
we understand
half imp
Just like flying
sand wren
it would be really cool tho if there were some preset components that you can enable in the SDK
half imp
Some things you need to consider giving to world creators to filter
sand wren
like if you enable scale component u can choose min and max and wouldnt need to create the controller yourself
it would just append
also something that would be cool is
animator controller attachments
like where you can package your special menu with an animator
and have the animators apply to your existing animators
half imp
Yeah, avatar UI, props, av to av collision, etc all ideas on the roadmap
sand wren
so if you wanted your avatar to scale and then also wanted it to do some emotes
half imp
Needs solid design so it's not a bunch of hacks
sand wren
u could copy someone elses menu and animators
half imp
as much as people wanna do it asap
sand wren
and apply it over ur existing ones
without needing to copy or configure anything
is the storing stage parameters on world leave gonna be a thing
or in the menu as an "outfit"?
neon finch
I'm fine with waiting. Just knowing the stuff is coming eventually is enough hype for me. Gotta get everything set up first before you can announce a potential feature I guess
sand wren
yea without breaking anything else in the process
what im waiting for is savable parameters
best case scenario is that every character has a set of outfits that you can set presets for
and they can overwrite those outfits with your own stage parameters
sand wren
well yes but i was thinking of much better solution
where u can define preset outfits already
and they can be overwritten
i think current solution is just to save the current stage parameters of the current avatar
which of course uses a lot less space and can be done locally
but outfits would have to be something more complicated to set up
the advantages of it though would be that you can make an avatar that starts from a base but gets fully customized and load that outfit whenever
silver adder
Welp, time to reconstruct my animator's to get the updates...
(Sigh) So annoying having to go through 2FA every time i need to go to the VRChat website just because it won't automatically sign me in...
sand wren
idk if u can turn 2FA off
but yea vrchat logs u off even if u close ur browser
its kinda annoying
at least it works on google chrome now
silver adder
I am using Chrome, and it still logs me out after i close the window.
sand wren
i know
by working on google chrome i mean its not constantly telling you to log in every 5 seconds rendering the website unusable
silver adder
Oh.
Was it only the example locomotion controller that got updated?
Change log says "example animation controllers" but the package import UI shows only the locomotion controller was updated.
red root
so when it comes to the new avatars, is there a way to add them to current avatars or do you need to make them from scratch with the new system like Udon?
paper ember
new unity project
neon finch
Where would I go to have a character made?
grizzled acorn
I'm absolutely fine with waiting, and I know there are bigger priorities like the rebinding menu (which I think it's a great idea, thank you) or the new UI. nevertheless, it's not the first time I've seen something like "yeah, we're rolling back something and reimplement in the future", and then it never gets released again. That's my concern. Again, scaling avatars shouldn't be as trivial as that other vr sandbox, just hide it better. People who mess around with that usually it's because it's too easy to play with, literally with a gesture of the controllers
rain marlin
yes finnaly custom binding for buttons
trim prawn
Anyones character break from the recent update?
hybrid canopy
Had 2 avatars with knees bending together and the rest with slightly bent knees.
visual dagger
based on all the announcements posted, I'd say yes..
true sentinel
where were they posted?
true sentinel
uhh alright, sorry for being ignorent I am new to this discord
pseudo lava
can someone make me a avatar or be my avatar maker
rain marlin
for comision?
pseudo lava
what is that
rain marlin
money
pseudo lava
i dont have money
royal moss
Okay, quick question. Which version of Unity is recommended for Avatars 3.0?
rain marlin
Unity 2018.4.20f1 (64-bit)
i dont have money
@pseudo lava then you should learn how to do it yourself
pseudo lava
i dont know how to and i suck at that type of stuff
rain marlin
there is tutorials and you can always learn slowly and ask
pseudo lava
and i dont have money because im not old enough for a job
visual dagger
You're not likely to find someone to spend that much time making you anything for free
pseudo lava
darn it
rain marlin
you wouldnt ask a baker or a photographer to do things for free, same with unity/avatar creators
visual dagger
plus with there being hundreds of free avatars in the game, you can probably find something already made
rain marlin
totaly
pseudo lava
how i do that
pseudo lava
but i can never find avatar worlds that are good
rain marlin
then youll have to make them
especialy really good looking avatars are hard to make, you need to spend a quite good amount of hours on it
rain marlin
then you have to use world avatars
pseudo lava
oof
safe mirage
you have no job but stuff to do?
rain marlin
probably a child
safe mirage
yea what is a child doing anything in the summer holidays
rain marlin
he said he wasnt old enough to have a job
stuff to do its probably have fun and stuff like that
maybe cleaning the house or something like that?
safe mirage
nah, he is just lazy, if he really wanted it to learn then he would learn it
wintry glade
Making avatars is a fun hobby 🤔
rain marlin
yup, youre totaly correct
safe mirage
you dont clean a house the entire day
rain marlin
Making avatars is a fun hobby 🤔
@wintry glade i know right? when you finish one you feel just fucking amazing
yeah, even with 30 mins per day you can have a normal avatar im probably a couple of weeks or even days
safe mirage
@wintry glade i know right? when you finish one you feel just fucking amazing
@rain marlin for me it's a little bit the opposite
rain marlin
why?
wintry glade
Most people start with kitbashes or just straight imports, if you follow something like tuppers megatutorial youll be done in a couple hours even if you have no idea what youre doing
rain marlin
i mean when you open vrchat and everything magicaly works, nothing bugs and its perfect
safe mirage
I know I will start a new one, so the one I finished was just learning new stuff and that's it
rain marlin
Most people start with kitbashes or just straight imports, if you follow something like tuppers megatutorial youll be done in a couple hours even if you have no idea what youre doing
@wintry glade totaly
hybrid canopy
I remember that I followed tuppers tutorial the first time. It took me like 3 hours to finish the 1 hour tutorial because I was pausing or going back xd
wintry glade
Every avatar should be a learning experience, trying new things is always a good idea
safe mirage
oh and during the making progress I loose my mind for every itchy bug that I get ( weight paint, clipping, animations not working, rigging issues, and more
rain marlin
yeah, you always learn a lot with each avatar, i always go back to old avatars to improve them with things that i learned
visual dagger
My first one I just went to booth and found a free model to mess with, it was basically ready to go straight from unity, then i started tweaking it
rain marlin
oh and during the making progress I loose my mind for every itchy bug that I get ( weight paint, clipping, animations not working, rigging issues, and more
@safe mirage totaly
safe mirage
my first one was the john wick from fortnite, i gave him fortnite emotes plus sound
back in june 2019
wintry glade
The whole process can be frustrating, but its usually very rewarding
safe mirage
true
rain marlin
thats why its so addictive
wintry glade
And then the game updates :)
rain marlin
ahh yes
safe mirage
I spent more time in making avatars then playing games
rain marlin
I spent more time in making avatars then playing games
@safe mirage damm true
visual dagger
same
safe mirage
not having VR yet, will get mine sometime next week or so