quest-optimization

[real oasis]

cant upload avatar because the only supported shaders that work properly apparently just arent supported??

[sharp zinc]

Quest cant use shaders

[sand mantle]

use vrcmobile

[real oasis]

thats what its on

[sand mantle]

lightmapped is world shader. I don’t know why its in avatar sdk

use matcaplit so it looks cool or toonlit if you want quicky

idk whats up with alpha blended. thos particle shaders are very cursed

[real oasis]

yeah i

fixed it

looking good & uploaded now

had no clue it wsa meant for worlds lol

[sand mantle]

i honestly have no idea why thats still in the avatar sdk. I don’t know if theres a canny for it but there probs should be

[lusty ether]

Was wondering if there's any way to make a quest-compatible shader transparent?

[slow hearth]

You can only use the provided vrcmobile shaders, and none of them do transparency

[lusty ether]

hecc...
Not even full transparency?

[sharp zinc]

NO

[lusty ether]

Well, time to learn how to use blender...

[slow hearth]

😂

The motto of the quest channels

[humble canyon]

yup

[lusty ether]

Just wish there was an invisible shader or somethin'.

[slow hearth]

How to invisible shader on the quest:
Mesh -> right click -> delete

[lusty ether]

Yea I can't do that either unfortunately, mesh I need to make transparent doesn't show on the hierarchy.

[slow hearth]

(is joke, don't actually do that)

[lusty ether]

oh okie lol.

[slow hearth]

Depending on what it is, couldn't you cut up the mesh then just toggle the mesh bit when needed?

Wouldn't work if its particles or something semi-transparent, but if you just need something to "not be there at all" then that's an option

[lusty ether]

Not really sure how to do any of that without messing up other things.
Am really new and I'm trying to figure out a ton of different things at once.

[slow hearth]

Then describe what you have, what needs to be done & someone could point you in the right direction

[lusty ether]

That's the hard part for now.

The fixes I need are far into the process and if I fix something I needed at the beginning I'll need to start over.
I just keep running into new things I needed to do towards the beginning when I'm almost ready to export.

Everything is just a mess lol.

Also hecc polygon limits.

[sullen moat]

Have you tried turning it off and on again

[sharp zinc]

What.

[sullen moat]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?!

[slow hearth]

Turn it on then off again

That's a good fix 😏

[sullen moat]

Yes

[gentle grotto]

XD

[sleek sedge]

I have a problem with an avatar I bought called Mini Lilly
Her hands won't move when I do gestures but she still makes emotions though
Also I'm on quest if that helps and everything works fine except the hands

[sand mantle]

finger bones might be misslabeled/not assigned in unity

[frail quail]

swapped all of my materials from the Material section in unity to get it to work with quest and I still have this same issue with a shader issue,
Any ideas?
Nvm, I fixed it

[neat fossil]

my physbones stuff wont work on quest, is there like a full on hard limit to physbones on quest? cause if so im screwed

[slow hearth]

yes

[neat fossil]

le poop

[sleek sedge]

How do I reassign them? I'm new to using unity and stuff

[slow hearth]

go to your project files, click on your FBX file

in the inspector click the rig tab, then configure

go through the bones and make sure they're in the right slot

[sleek sedge]

Tysm I'll try this out and hope it works!

[sharp zinc]

Cuz is shader

?

[plush jacinth]

your faces are probably facing inside not outside mobile shader shows only one side

you need flip your eye faces

in blender

[jolly cedar]

so i'm working on a custom fallback avatar. i did a lot of manual tweaking to the meshes already like deleting meshes inside of other meshes (ie legs which are totally covered by pants and shoes) and removing transparent parts of meshes on eyebrows, etc. but i'm still at 16.7k triangles total. i might be able to dissolve some edge loops to cut out a few hundred more but getting down to 10k without holes or serious distortion will be a challenge! i know that cutting away that many polys will be destructive no matter how i do it, but can anyone advise the gentlest approach? like should i use the decimation modifier on individual parts or the CATS decimation on the combined mesh? or both? or something else? i can provide the .blend if anyone wants to take a look and help more specificially.....

[humble canyon]

question have you deleted anybody Parts hiding under clothing

[jolly cedar]

yes but i did not delete parts of the head under hair because i'm afraid of messing that up. that might free a little more

[humble canyon]

and could you like show a screenshot with a wireframe of your model to make suggestions on reductions

[jolly cedar]

it looks like i can dissolve some edge loops on the sweater and maybe pants but that won't save me 7k tris, just a couple hundred

the hair could probably safely take some decimation?

[humble canyon]

yeah probably could use some reductions in the hair

and if it's helpful 15,000 would put you at medium if you just want to upload a quest version of the avatar

[jolly cedar]

the hair is (at least) 3 seperate meshes, should i join them before decimating?

[humble canyon]

probably a good idea so you can decimating them all at the same time?

also you might want to dissolve some Edge loops on your glasses

could you take a screenshot Focus just on the face and hair so I can actually see there wireframe instead of being all solid black

[jolly cedar]

all i did for them so far was decimate in VRoid export settings - i don't know how to reduce further without potentially breaking shape keys (which i don't fully understand) or whatever

[humble canyon]

good to know

[wide quartz]

when trying to make a texture atlas material combiner always makes it just 3 solid textures

[sharp zinc]

Try the CATS blender plug-in decimation feature

[jolly cedar]

can I cats decimate just the face or does it have to be the whole model?

[humble canyon]

you can separate the model into multiple models so you can only decimate want to decimate

[jolly cedar]

i must be missing a step because even if i split the mesh by materials and select the face mesh, using CATS decimate affects the whole model not just the selected part

[jolly cedar]

okay i made it below 10k polys and i don't see any holes or other issues in blender! but i have 93 bones. i think the best place to remove a couple would be in the ponytail. how is the best way to go about it? should i merge the bottom ones with their parents? or do something in the middle?

[humble canyon]

merge the bottom ones with their parents would work fine

and I would suggest removing the glasses glass so you can see your eyes

because of the lack of transparency

[jolly cedar]

i am specifically leaving it to hide the eyes because they are slightly broken without transparancy >_>

[humble canyon]

Fair

[jolly cedar]

augh i was sure i had 90 wtf

[humble canyon]

did it load the new model?

[jolly cedar]

yeah i must have not had everything selected or something i guess

[slow hearth]

Remove the eyes 😎

[quick ferry]

I recently got a kinect 360 sensor for full body, and the day after iset it up now my oculus lags out really bad when i link it to my pc. has anyone experienced this? i feel like ive done everything to trouble shoot.

[crimson mural]

I just optimised my first avatar down to the bone and it went from very poor and 8 material slots to just 1 and medium on quest. I AM A GOD. (Obviously I am not, but I'm having my moment)

[zealous isle]

I'm working on my quest/fallback version, and when I get to the Cats Atlas part, it seems to only be atlasing my shirt/shorts and everything else turns white. Checking the atlas it does only have my shirts/shorts... it shows all the materials in the list when I click save atlas. Am I missing something?

[humble canyon]

Cool

[static jolt]

can someone help guide me through optimizing and uploading a vrchat avatar?

All I have is the unity package so im not sure if i can use blender to further optimize it.

[wicked fulcrum]

for me any time i run the fbt,it crashes my whole game and brings me back to the steamvr home

i think it might just be bugged atm as it hasnt been working properly since the last driver4vr update

[quick ferry]

Jeez

[wicked fulcrum]

yeah

im tryna find out whats up with it and if i can fix it myself or not

if i find a way to fix it ill lyk

[north bay]

where is the pyhs bones package/ new sdk?

[humble canyon]

just download the Avatar SDK off the vrc website

[north bay]

do i need a new unity version?

[humble canyon]

no

[north bay]

okay

thanks

[slow hearth]

Unless you are messing with physics bones then most/all optimization comes from blender

To be honest

Unless you count crunching textures to be optimization lol

[coral raven]

I have a question about the new avatar dynamics if anyone could help, I don’t think it’s a super in depth question

My friend has all the avatar dynamics settings on, but they cannot see any of our friends extra movements and such due to the update, is it necessary to have your quest connected to a pc or does it work for the quest version of vr chat

[slow hearth]

Works for the quest

[coral raven]

Hmm, I wonder why they can’t see anything

[slow hearth]

But it turns off if you upload an avatar with more than 8 phys bones components

So your friend probably didnt take quest limits into account

[coral raven]

They can’t see any at all though

So for the quest specifically it has to be a more basic version

Not as advanced as a pc one

[slow hearth]

Everything has to be more basic 😄

[coral raven]

Well thank you

I appreciate it

[slow hearth]

The specific limits are stated in the phys bones documentation

Tell him to give it a look

[coral raven]

Ah okay

So basically all of my friends are wearing like PC scale dynamic skins and my friend can’t see that because the limit is too high for the quest

For the movement to be present on their quest, I guess that’s kinda the reasoning behind it

[slow hearth]

Ya

If you exceed any of the limits then the entire physics turn off for that avatar

[humble canyon]

yes

[wicked fulcrum]

its a bug in driver4vr,theyre working on fixing it now and hopefully there will be a new update soon,try going to the previous version and see if that works,it doesnt for me but it has for a few others so just try it out

[quick ferry]

Thank you so much

[quick ferry]

Wait a minute I didn't buy driver4vr I'm using the free driver

[slow hearth]

Use kinect2vr, its miles better than driver4vr

And free

[wicked fulcrum]

i'll try it out thanks

[solemn trout]

Does anyone know why my phys bones aren’t showing on quest vr

Is there like a hard limit or something

Or a setting I have to turn on?

[humble canyon]

there is a hard limit on Quest on the amount of physics bones you can have

https://i.gyazo.com/dc99d50715f6673402c14b9fd3f50ca9.png

[violet jay]

@humble canyon Thanks, I had trouble finding that info, now I'm sacrificing hair bones in favor of tail movement, good enough!

[plucky kindle]

What does this mean and how do I fix it

[crimson mural]

check your unity version

[solemn trout]

what shader specifically should I use for particles on quest?

[sand mantle]

vrcmobile additive

[amber surge]

I don't know if this is the right channel, but-

How do I access my pictures I take in vrchat?
I can't find them in my app on my phone?

[sharp zinc]

It's in ur quest gallery

Iv just merged my vrc accounts together and it says I'm a new user

Iv been playing like a year

Whyyy am I a new user

Still

[amber surge]

been playing 6 months 7 hours a day and still a visitor....

[amber surge]

and thanks i'll look for them

[slow hearth]

Wtf lol

Do you have a proper vrc account?

[sharp zinc]

I do and I'm still a new user

[tropic coral]

welp

now what

@sharp zinc

@tawdry kiln

[tawdry kiln]

hi

Welll now you need your FBX to have all the materials it had in Blender

Buuuut I'm not totally sure how exporting materials out of Unity works and how importing them to Blender works

BUT what might work is if in Unity, you set the materials to be a part of the FBX. Then they might carry over into blender when you import it

Sooooo select your FBX in Unity and I think you go to the 4th tab in the inspector which is named materials (?)

[amber surge]

I'm guessing?

[tropic coral]

ummm ill try?

i mean the materials for my avatar are on a comission folder

[tawdry kiln]

Oh are they?
Too bad I've never imported a material into Blender before though, because I have no idea how hah.

Maybe Hisashi knows

[tropic coral]

lol its ok, i wouldnt have gotten this far without your help

like at all XD

[sharp zinc]

I do, I needa get home first

Gimmie like 10 15 minutes

[tropic coral]

allright ima go eat then

[slow hearth]

If you're guessing then probably not, steam/oculus accounts "level up" absurdly slower compared to creating an account on vrchat's website then merging your oculus/steam account into it

[tropic coral]

allright im back

[amber surge]

if i merge my account, do I lose my current one?

[slow hearth]

No, you merge your stuff into it

Friends, favorites, everything

You can still use the oculus/steam account to login, but it'll redirect you to the vr chat account when you login

[amber surge]

wow.

knowing that would have helped a long time ago

[slow hearth]

Ya for sure lol

Took me like 2 months playing every other day to get to known

With the website account

[amber surge]

Where do I get my Merge Token?

[slow hearth]

Uh in the options somewhere

There's a button called merge accounts

[amber surge]

Kk thank you ^^

[sharp zinc]

Sorry hadda stop for my smoothie

I am almost home tho

[tropic coral]

all good

ive waited 2 long years for this avatar, pretty sure i can wait a couple more minutes XD

[sharp zinc]

Might be easier if I remote lead if you are chill with streaming via discord call.

[tropic coral]

I guess I dont mind, but i wont learn for future projects

tho its on you

[sharp zinc]

Nono, I will lead you just where there is less ricochet

[sharp zinc]

Go ahead and DM me whenever you are ready

[tropic coral]

allright then

[safe island]

can anyone make me an avatar? i will pay but i don't want to talk with greedy avatar creators

[sand mantle]

thats the worst thing you could ever say in an avatar commissionry request

[hushed shale]

speedrun every-creator-ignores-you any%

[sharp zinc]

Wrong server, wrong attitude

[compact cobalt]

'greedy' = wanting to be reasonably compensated for your time and experience

[solemn trout]

Anyone know why my particles look cubish on quest

I used vrchat/additive and looks fine on unity but on quest it looks blocky and nothing like what I saw in unity

[edgy kraken]

avatar or world?

[solemn trout]

Avatar

[edgy kraken]

you cannot have transparency (and particles) on quest

[solemn trout]

Wym I see particles on quest all the time

[edgy kraken]

for avatars no

[solemn trout]

Yeah on avatars

[edgy kraken]

ops sorry my bad im mistaken

[solemn trout]

So does anyone know how to fix the blocky particle issue..

[edgy kraken]

you should link your texture here, otherwise its pretty much impossible to guess

[solemn trout]

I used a material

[slow hearth]

Well show the material then

[solemn trout]

I looks like an puffy orb

[edgy kraken]

does that really have a transparency? O.o

[solemn trout]

Idk

I’m just trying to not make it look like giant squares on quest

[edgy kraken]

because it looks all white and not fading out

[solemn trout]

It’s a ball

It is kinda fading out too

[slow hearth]

So its transparent?

[solemn trout]

I’m guessing yes

[slow hearth]

Otherwise it'd be a square

[solemn trout]

I have no problems on unity

[slow hearth]

Of course you wont

Vrchat for the quest disables transparency, its not something you catch in unity

[solemn trout]

bruh.

[slow hearth]

Work with a non transparent texture or figure out some other way to do it

[solemn trout]

Alright

[edgy kraken]

he said he's using it for avatar particle system tho, that the website says should allow transparency

[slow hearth]

What website

[edgy kraken]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-limitations

under Particles/Additive

i havent tried it myself before tho so im not sure lol

[slow hearth]

? Where does it say transparency is allowed

[edgy kraken]

ah

okay i understand what you mean now

[slow hearth]

🤔

[edgy kraken]

hmm then whats the point of allowing particle system on quest, just to display squares?

[slow hearth]

Why block it, particles can still work without transparency

Might as well leave it for people that know how to fiddle with it

I sure don't

[edgy kraken]

but you can only show a rectangle in this case right...? basically can't have anything circle

[slow hearth]

I've heard some people mention stuff about cutting up meshes to not look ridiculous without transparency

Snipping off the transparent bits using knife tool in blender

[edgy kraken]

actually no i just wasnt imagining enough

[slow hearth]

Might be something to that tune

[edgy kraken]

@solemn trout you can draw a white circle in paint with the trasparent areas in black

[slow hearth]

He's starting to believe

[edgy kraken]

because the mode is additive, adding black doesn't do anything. You can get a white circle fading out just going from white to black

[solemn trout]

That definitely did something

The particle now looks circular

I think if you replace the texture with a transparent background and a shape it will work for quest

maybe.

[edgy kraken]

transparent probably doesnt work, but if you change your transparency to black then yeah using additive mode should simulate the transparency well

[somber slate]

Is there anyone who can take a look at an avatar and maybe make it quest compatible?

[fast silo]

What’s quest avi poly limit before it gets blocked?

[slow hearth]

20k? You can find the performance ratings in the vrc website

After that it turns very poor i think

10k for staying green

[fast silo]

Thank you

[safe island]

help me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8u-JYMB6cs&ab_channel=PDB'sstudios

[quartz berry]

Are Quest avatars still capped at 10 mb and don't allow transparency or has that changed?

[radiant osprey]

Yep those are both still a thing

[quartz berry]

Damn

One of the Quest compatible avatar dynamics public avatars seemed like it had some sort of transparent effect so I had hope

They gave us avatar dynamics and doubled the world size I really don't understand why Quest avatars are still capped at 10 mb

[radiant osprey]

Because the quest has a very limited amount of VRAM. Textures are the most of that that 10mb is, so giving people more than 10MB would cause crashes up the wazoo

[quartz berry]

But letting worlds double from 50 to 100 is fine?

[radiant osprey]

Well you only join 1 world. You may see up to 80 players in a world so imagine 100mb avatars x 80 = over 1 gig minimum of VRAM

The quest 2 only has 6gb of total memory (shared with the OS, VRC, etc) to work with

[quartz berry]

Fallbacks exist and such, but I guess I understand

It just sucks though because it's hard to fit what I want in that space

[radiant osprey]

Yeah but you can't rely on that because even if you have a 500mb avatar it can still be excellent perf rank

[quartz berry]

I'm holding out hope that they atleast up it to like 15 or something

I'd be pretty happy with just that

[radiant osprey]

It's unlikely

There's no excuse IMO to need any more than 10

[humble canyon]

basically it's unlikely for the quest limits to ever change until like the quest 3 comes out and they discontinue the quest one outright

and that's a big Maybe as they would still have to support the quest 2

[compact cobalt]

Even my optimised desktop avis are under 5mb or so. It shouldn't be that hard to keep it under 10 as long as you keep your texture sizes reasonable and make sure to set them to compressed.

[quartz berry]

Noted...

I probably need to work on optimizing my avatar then

[sharp zinc]

my extremely unoptimized avatars are all under 10mb

i should check the dates of messages before i send my own

[dense moth]

I've got a quest avatar uploaded that's 18.3 mb, vrcquest tools does some wild stuff to make it work

[slow hearth]

It crunches/lowers rez to 10mb

You didn't find the holy grail of going over the size limit, if that's what you're thinking

[sharp zinc]

can somone help me i have a avatar that is 32mb and i needa make it quest compatible

[humble canyon]

crunch compress all the textures

[sharp zinc]

im trying to optimize a new avi now its 21mb and ive set all quest shaders ive deleted unused toggles

and still

its still 21mb it was 28

[humble canyon]

have you compress the textures yet

[sharp zinc]

whats that

im used to just making pc only

[humble canyon]

basically it makes the textures take up less size to download

[humble canyon]

then why are you in the quest optimization Channel

[sharp zinc]

cause obviously trying to make a avatar quest compatible

[sharp zinc]

how do you do that

[humble canyon]

click the used crunch compression check box in the texture settings when you click on a texture in the unity folder at the bottom

https://i.gyazo.com/fcc35b9cbf6223431a092eb753e9ddbc.png

[sharp zinc]

this is what mine looks like

[humble canyon]

that's the material settings not the texture settings

click on the texture itself

that select button would take you to it

[sharp zinc]

ok

now im there

[humble canyon]

maybe the compression drop down at the bottom

https://i.gyazo.com/656523bef7a1b431b54c11a35e094627.png

[humble canyon]

start with normal

[sharp zinc]

there we go

[humble canyon]

cool now do that on all of your other textures

[rancid patrol]

there is a unity package that just does quest compatibility at the press of a button, a few textures break and go white but thats an easy fix instead of going through the whole avi piece by piece right? thats how ive always made them questie.

[humble canyon]

https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools

[whole plank]

Is quest not supporting constraints an android limitation or a vrchat limitation?

[radiant osprey]

VRChat

[whole plank]

They should really add that, it makes optimizing certain things incredibly easy

[radiant osprey]

How so

[whole plank]

There's a tool called nara's avatar tools that lets you add constraints that make so my coat with 45 bones into a 5 bone constraint

[radiant osprey]

Constraints aren't free for performance. It would be miles more optimized if you just merge the armatures

[whole plank]

this is a single armature

[plush jacinth]

45 bones for single coat wow

[whole plank]

My coat is 5 connected bones in 9 sets around the coat

[radiant osprey]

Why

[plush jacinth]

coat can have like 15 bones and have decent physics

[radiant osprey]

Even less

[whole plank]

That's true, but hitting a button to add a constraint is a lot easier than reweight painting the entire coat

[radiant osprey]

Easier does not mean more optimized

[whole plank]

Contraint is more optimized than doing nothing

[plush jacinth]

well that's anyway what you need to do

bcs constraints ain't coming for quest

[radiant osprey]

Constraints should be used sparingly. They do affect performance, just not a huge amount

[plush jacinth]

i don't use constraints in any avatars even for pc

i know so many tricks with rigging they are usueless

[radiant osprey]

They aren't 100% useless

But they are typically easy to avoid

[plush jacinth]

yeah they are easy to avoid

[radiant osprey]

I have some setups that require constraints

[plush jacinth]

i do too but i always find way to outsmart it

i think i used constraints maybe on 2 avatars but i removed them and reworked them so they wont use them

[radiant osprey]

And honestly they're not bad to use if used sparingly

[plush jacinth]

yeah but they wont be added

for quest

[radiant osprey]

They might eventaully

[plush jacinth]

maybe when new quest comes out

[radiant osprey]

Like I said contraints are not heavy on performance. They used to be but a VRC update fixed that

Quest can handle it with limits

[plush jacinth]

well we will see maybe they will add them but with limitations

[quartz berry]

So, is there any given reason as to why Quest users can't hear avatar sounds?
Like, how hard on a processor could playing audio be?

[stark isle]

ive had this question too!!

[quartz berry]

They gave quest users cameras, dynamic bones and doubled the world size but we're still stuck without avatar sounds

Like why
What's the point
Saving on memory?
The avatar size is already capped at 10 mb so as long as it fits within that what's the problem?

[radiant osprey]

Audio is quite CPU intensive. If they gave avatars audio, the Quest would simply explode

[slow hearth]

Ya the quest is really weak on cpu

Audio isnt cheap

[heady wing]

heh.
There’s three main reasons that avatar audio isn’t on Quest.
1: Audio actually uses a lot of CPU power to do, and that needs to go to people speaking.
2: File size, you only get 10mb, you wouldn’t even be able to add much audio anyway.
3. Apparently some forms of audio compression actually cause the quest to crash so uhhhhhh yep never happening

[slow hearth]

did you really *heh*'d him

Nothin personal kid 😎

[heady wing]

Mainly about the second question, but yeah. It’s that bad.

I mean, the quest 2 already struggles with 20 people in one instance, give each one another audio source and that’s effectively halved.

and don’t get me started on the quest 1

[quartz berry]

Lame

But okay

[slow hearth]

complain to zucc for a stronger quest 3

not vrchat 😄

[sharp zinc]

Give it a year and he'll do just that

[ocean creek]

Oi what if

I force the quest 2 to calculate full body and index

[radiant osprey]

Then you'd have to be in SteamVR

[slow hearth]

LOL

what kinda question is that, doc

[sand jackal]

does anyone know how to upload quest avatars with physbone?

[final spade]

physbones are included in the latest sdk

[wind umbra]

Anyone else having issues on quest when changing avatars or going to worlds where your avatar goes into desktop mode?

[sharp zinc]

Yep. Had issues last night. A couple of my friends had issues and same for my boyfriend. So it's messing up for pc users and quest users

It a vrchat bug

[sharp zinc]

Not a just quest problem x3

[wind umbra]

Oh okay, only seen it with quest users so far so that’s why

[sharp zinc]

XD yes I was with my pc friends and pc boyfriend and they had worse issues

[wind umbra]

Oof

[sharp zinc]

I do think it's a vrvhat bug.

[verbal crag]

Just getting out and back into your avatar fixes it

[brisk bough]

My girlfriend's quest/pc link cable setup has been gradually getting worse and worse with frame loss issues and we've already tried multiple fixes we've found on google

[vocal lantern]

oculus link in my experience is really unreliable
for the best pc experience on q2 i recommend getting virtual desktop but that comes with the extra cost of getting a primary vr router if you don't already have a decent router close to your room

[brisk bough]

Unfortunately a better router/internet isn't an option for her right now

[radiant osprey]

Not much you can do with a quest then

[ocean creek]

Only choice is connected or Frankenstein a better connection

[daring frigate]

um is there any double sided shader for quest?

[daring frigate]

I guess I spent hours working on this avatar for nothing...

[slow hearth]

Double sided shader?

Like no backface culling or

[final spade]

if you can afford the triangle count you can jut double side the mesh

directly

[daring frigate]

yeah. I tried that but it gets me over 20k and I can't really decimate more.

so i have to figure out how to do more simple hair. i'll try something and see how it goes.

thank you. I was afraid this would be what I need to do 🙂

[blissful owl]

Has anyone here got qt pens to work for quest on the newest sdk?

[slow hearth]

yes

[hearty lodge]

I need help moving my model to vr chat.

[slow hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjS8rreIMos

[hearty lodge]

Does unity make it easy for you? Can I just use Blender?

[slow hearth]

blender is optional if you have the model rigged and ready

[hearty lodge]

My model is ready

[slow hearth]

unity is entirely non optional since that is where is you configure your avatar and upload to VR chat

[blazing stag]

Where do I find physbones in Build 1198 of Open Beta? I looked in a tutorial of physbones but the script name of "VRC Phy Bone" is missing apparently?

[slow hearth]

Phys

not "phy bone"

If you still dont have it then download the sdk from the website to make sure you have the newest one

Then delete & reinstall it on your project

[sharp zinc]

heyy can anyone help me with my game

it keeps on crashing

i've tried reinstalling it and switching internets but nothings working

the only time it did work was when i first logged in and played for a bit. then i closed it and now its not

[smoky burrow]

what are you playing on?

if your on quest you can switch oculus accounts, delete your game data before uninstaling and reinstalling, factory reset your headset or installing and starting over the oculus app

or just wait until it works

[smoky burrow]

disable and enable osc it works after that but it may breake again

[wind umbra]

I had straight up deleted VRchat and it worked h- but thanks

[amber surge]

okay, so for me. If i'm using an emote with one avatar and then change, it makes me look like a pc player. to fix I just go back to the avatar with the emote and reset it. Then it's all fixed. I'm not sure about when you go to worlds and it changing like that tho?

[wind umbra]

I’m all good now, but everytime I changed avatars or worlds it would go into desktop mode. I just deleted and reinstalled VRC and it was good. But it’s been an issue for some people as a bug and most fixed it by just doing that

[amber surge]

That's good, but uh.... I need some help too 😅
so... I use link cable and play thru steamvr
but then someone joins with a corrupted avatar / lagger
and now it messed up my whole steamvr
every time I turn steam vr on... it has a seizure on the screen
so like it shows me steam home for 1 second and then the next, a loading screen
and then the next second I see my oculus home.... and it does it very fast-
I have uninstalled steam and updated it completely..... it won't work...
i thought it would work over time. but.... it's been 2 weeks since i've used steam vr.
I can't even launch any of my other steamvr games........

so yeah- Idk if it's because I have a mod tho, I use voicemod and kinect2vr for tracking
I haven't uninstalled them and back yet- I don't know if its because I have mods being lagged or what

Oh and sometimes it lags my oculus home when i use cable link. and has the same problem.
but the oculus itself, without using the link, doing it through oculus and not steamvr. everythings fine
i just want to have my graphics because steam/pc looks better and I want my voicemod AND my kinext2vr- because that's my body tracking.
so yeahhhh

somethings going on. Btw if I use my HTC Vive, and someone joins with a lagger/corrupt avatar It handles fine, I just get MINOR lag and it's all good. It's only when I use my oculus and my mods.

so yeah

I don't rlly wanna uninstall my mods, because I have custom settings and calibrations

[wind umbra]

I honestly have no clue h- I only play on quest since my computer is a MacBook. Only thing I can say is maybe completely shutdown your computer and maybe see if that helps?

[amber surge]

it's been 2 weeks.

I've shut down plenty of times

[wind umbra]

Have you contacted steam support? They may be able to help

[amber surge]

I've prob uninstalled and reinstal steam vr like 12 times

I opened a ticket and haven't heard back yet

[wind umbra]

Posted anywhere else about the problem? Personally I tend to post issues on reddit to get SOME help

[amber surge]

I haven't used reddit or any socail place

social*

I've only discussed here and looked on google for answers

[wind umbra]

It may be worth doing so, I’ve fixed some stuff that way when no one has answers

[amber surge]

I even talked to Dragonoid prime, he has the same setup as me and he said when someone joins with an lagger/corrupt avtr. it just lags him

so it's just me?

well

the avatar that prob joined him could have not been as bad as mine

[wind umbra]

Idk man, is it steam VR itself or have you tried opening the games on their own? Sorry that I don’t know much h

[amber surge]

steam vr itself.

everything else works

but if i wanna use my mods it automatically launches steam vr

I can use my voicemod with normal pc mode because it just uses steam and not steam vr though

but I don't want to play on desktop

[wind umbra]

Hm, have you tried reinstalling both steam and steam VR? Some have said if steam is having a slight issue it’ll mess up both.

[amber surge]

mhm

Steam even ran diagnostics and found no error

[wind umbra]

Idk if maybe anything here will help: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamVR/comments/jcl7nu/steam_vr_isnt_working_with_my_quest_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[amber surge]

I've even turned the headset on and left the seizure on the screen and ran diagnostics and checked the pings/status of it and there was nothing wrong. said steam

Imma check that out rq

That specific forum that's opened doesn't exactly help with the issue, but I'll see if reddit can help out

[wind umbra]

Sorry can’t help much, hope you figure it out

[amber surge]

steam just did an update to fix issues (Idk about steamvr)

Imma test it sometim

[raw talon]

im just trying to make my world quest compatible... im watching this video but its from a year ago... is there a more recent tutorial or is their automated method to convert?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_GVwd5KiS8&t=321s&ab_channel=SurudoiRyu

[compact cobalt]

The process shouldn't have changed since last year really

[raw talon]

Assembly with name 'Unity.XR.Oculus.Editor' already exists (Packages/com.unity.xr.oculus/Editor/Unity.XR.Oculus.Editor.asmdef)

i cant get rid of this error I googled it and others are getting the same thing.. im not sure how to fix it

[woven glen]

Try pressing play on project. If you get compile errors and u cant enter play mode then theres a script issue. Last resort is new project

[sharp zinc]

Can somebody help sometimes every body in the world just freezes and after a few minutes it goes normal

[snow herald]

the pink fbx is the original one included in the unitypackage, but because it has vertex colors i had to import it into blender to remove it. the black fbx is the exported one without vertex colors, which is missing the avatar icon. how can i get that on the fixed fbx?

the pink fbx files are only pink bc i didn't install the 3rd party shader they reference since i'm trying to optimize for quest

[snow herald]

is there any way i could just change the mesh of the pink fbx while keeping everything else in the unitypackage intact?

[slow hearth]

Did you create a separate fbx, or overwrote the existing one when exporting from blender to unity?

[snow herald]

i made a separate one

[quasi oak]

Hey good night everyone! So i'm in a journy trying to make my avatar optimized... Im using MacOS and Blender/Unity. Im not a dev so i really did my best here, can anyone help me out? For some reason my avatar is unsupported. Thanks alot!

[slow hearth]

Then overwrite it

A bunch of the fbx related settings in unity will pass over to your new model

[snow herald]

I see, I'll try it now

[snow herald]

I exported the fbx, overwriting the original, but when I import the unitypackage it still shows as having vertex colors

I checked the modified date of the fbx to be sure and it says that a change was made

[slow hearth]

Well yes

If you re-import the unity package then it'll restore the original fbx...

[snow herald]

Oh okay, i understand what you mean

[snow herald]

I dragged the overwritten fbx into unity, but the materials aren't showing properly. In the original fbx, the materials weren't inside the fbx. What can I do to fix this? When I try clicking on any of the materials I can't edit them

[slow hearth]

Right click on material, extract from prefab

Then just copy paste the material values

[timber basalt]

Does anyone know how I can merge 3 materials together?

[odd tiger]

You need to install the android build support in unity hub and then switch to that in the builder panel (It will have a large switch build target to android bar to click). You are currently trying to build to MacOS, which is not supported by VRChat.

[quasi oak]

thank you!

[raw talon]

hello I have a model imported from maya... preset all these standard shaders . I cant seem to edit the shaders to change them to quest friendly? why are they locked?
https://i.imgur.com/CLCZQZm.png

[slow hearth]

Extract from prefab

[summer tiger]

So I'm currently trying to make an avatar and this is my first time, I want to combine the materials using atlas but it just keeps doing this, any suggestions?

[timber basalt]

Does anyone know how I could possibly fix this?

[shell jay]

Make sure the base UVMap for everything is named the same
and set all the material shaders to Principled BSDF

ALSO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST CATS AUTO ATLAS
If you'd like to call sometime I'll show how I atlased a VRoid model to be much lower material count
@summer tiger

[cosmic wraith]

reexport your vroid model. you can immediately get it down to 2 materials inside vroid. cats atlas does work but more than 8 mats makes it break

no idea why 8 is the limit, but from 2 you can use the cats atlas

[slow nymph]

anyone know how to make a avatar that quest can hear? i know its possible

[timber basalt]

It is currently not possible to make an avatar with an audio file that the quest by itself can hear, however, if you plug in your quest to your pc you should be able to hear audio files then

[slow nymph]

your wrong my friend

i have two characters i found that are quest compatible and i can hear the music they play surprisingly both the chars are made by the same person

[cosmic wraith]

so then they were uploaded with a modded sdk then because quest avatars not having audio hasn't changed.

[raw talon]

BTW i finally got my world quest optimized , it was the models from maya import that were a little tricky but it was very fulfilling to finally get over that hurdle...

[sharp zinc]

So I'm using a quest 1 and I haven't touched it for about a week but I logged in today and I can't use my index fingers or thumbs on either hand, does anyone know why this is happening or how it can be fixed?

[kindred bone]

Is there a specific reason Quest doesn't have access to constraints?

[slow hearth]

Performance

Like many other limitations

Its all performance

[kindred bone]

Yeah but to my understanding, constraints are not very performance heavy. And would actually optimize some things cause if you had say a gun that went from your chest to hand, you can simply reparent it instead of need two versions of the same mesh toggled on and off. Like, surely constraints can't be any worse than physbones? And they can simply put a hard limit on the constraints if too many at once is the issue. Just allowance for one or two would go a long way. Eg, followers for avatars.

[slow hearth]

🤷

open a canny

[kindred bone]

They even say this on their documentation on quest limitations, which was written ages ago.

Yeah I'll write a canny

Welp turns out there already is one

[rotund rapids]

i have no clue how to make a pc vr avatar quest compatible and tutorials havent been of any help

[elfin sable]

Hey I need help if anyone is available. I’m trying to purchase vrchat plus for my quest 2 however everytime it says the transaction is processing it cancels the purchase. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[rotund rapids]

usually i just kept trying

and it would work

[elfin sable]

Ok. I’ll try that first. Thank you 🙏

[elfin sable]

Ok I figured out. So I merged the oculus (has vrchat plus) with my vrchat account(doesn’t have vrchat plus) now it works. It’ll

[eternal onyx]

change your project's build target to android, then convert your material/materials to vrchat mobile shader

then upload again. make sure you back up your project first.

the rest of it is just optimization, depending on how complex your avatar is

[violet jay]

@rotund rapids or buy Polytool
https://www.vrcarena.com/assets/15847fc6-cb6d-4c8c-89ce-502df4f1289a

[rotund rapids]

I don't even know how to get it out of vroid

😅

[eternal onyx]

thought you said you already had a PC avatar, sounds like you don't if it's still in vroid.

[violet jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggA0auQEF4

[languid basalt]

paste a link here later i want to vote for this

[spring anvil]

Would anyone be able to help me? I recently bought an avatar off booth that I wanted to use as my main, so I've spent all day trying to quest optimize it and... honestly I can't figure out what's wrong. It feels like it should be really simple since it's not a very complicated model

The avatar in question:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790401151731761152/983089069829554206/unknown.png

[humble canyon]

could you post a screenshot of the SDK panel showing the avatars stats

[spring anvil]

Alright one sec

okay so this is obviously too much for quest. SO I've been taking it into blender using the CATS thing to fix it

But once i take it back to Unity, first of all the colors are suddenly hecked up, but also everything the avtar was originally set up with is gone

[humble canyon]

you also need to swap this shaders to quest compatible Shader

[spring anvil]

Yeah I'd been swapping it to uuuh what was it

[humble canyon]

I guess you forgot a material then

[spring anvil]

STandard lite

[humble canyon]

https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools

[spring anvil]

Yeah but I mean after it's gone into blender, everythign is gone. The physbones, everything. Do I have to just rebuild the whole thing?

[humble canyon]

this tool could help you catch any forgotten materials

https://github.com/rurre/PumkinsAvatarTools and this tool makes it easier to transfer components from one Avatar to another

[spring anvil]

Thanks!

I shall continue bashing my head against unity until it works

[humble canyon]

and it wouldn't be the end of the world to be poor as that's still better than most avatars

[spring anvil]

THANK YOU

[humble canyon]

are you able to get it sorted out

[spring anvil]

Good enough at least. I'm leaving it at Poor as i have given up trying to figure out how to reduce polygon count

Which is too bad because i would have liked to use this as a fallback too

[humble canyon]

you can always try that another day

and glad you were able to upload it where it wasn't very poor

[spring anvil]

Yeah!

Thanks for the help!

[spring anvil]

Aaaalmost done making a fallback version of this! I'm up to Good quality

just one thing that's stopping me from publishing

What does this mean?

[eternal onyx]

means your avatar's skeleton doesn't have a defined chest bone

you need to edit the avatar definition and map some bone to the chest so mecanim knows how to control the skeleton

[spring anvil]

THank you!

Okay! FInally done then!

Gonna test it. Thanks for all the help!

oh dear

how did this happen

back to the start i guess

[slow hearth]

looks like a serious case of the fucky wuckies

[spring anvil]

I'm so glad I decided to start messing around with this on an existing simple avtar and not start out with making my own custom one

my journey in learning blender and unity for the first time summarized in one image

[humble canyon]

yeah definitely easier to start this way so you can slowly get used to the tools

[spring anvil]

oh my god it's working. Finally. I'm free

[humble canyon]

good

[cunning mist]

I may be shooting in the dark here but is there anything I can do in unity in order to lower the amount of physbones components while retaining more movement for quest users. asking because whenever I end up getting a pc avatar, I make a quest version and I would lovie it if there was something I could do to have them see more of what I see

[slow hearth]

group them under a shared root bone

as long as you don't go over 64 transforms, you can have one component controlling a whole bunch of physics

[cunning mist]

is there a video i can watch that explains how to do that?

[slow hearth]

well, if you know blender

for example for the hair bones

make a new bone after the head bone, move it to the same spot as the head if you want

then go to every root of hair bones that previously connected to the head, and parent them to the new bone you made

then under unity just drop a component there, and all hair bones will be affected

i don't really have a guide handy

[tribal warren]

I'm a bit lost on Physbone transform count

But sort of understand it, it says I have 77 and the max is 64

But I don't know how to get rid of or lower the transform count for quest.

And I'm just lost

Anyone know anything about it? :D

[compact cobalt]

You have to merge some bones togeather in blender.

[willow hinge]

Does anyone else using the quest 2 hear themselves talk thru the quest mic(like mic monitoring) and can you turn that off. I can’t without muting the whole mic . I want to talk but don’t want to hear myself.

[slow hearth]

not really

you use q2 standalone?

[sharp zinc]

its probably because your mic volume is 100% and your quest headset volume is also 100%, causing it to echo

or if you have a headset, some have a built in playback feature where youll hear yourself

[slim bison]

One way is to add some exceptions on the phys bone component to ignore some of the bones at the end of each of the affects chains. The ends will look a little more stiff but its a simple way to reduce the affected transform count

[sacred jasper]

i dont undestand

its good and it says it can be used for fallback

But it isnt in fallback selection

Nor does it say its quest compatible

[eternal onyx]

switch your target build to android and publish again

[sacred jasper]

OOOOH

[eternal onyx]

if it meets the requirements for Android you can select it as a fallback

[eternal onyx]

go to unity hub and make sure the Android sdk is installed

[sacred jasper]

WAIT..

i need another SDK? shit, i didnt know that

Where do i get the Sdk?

[sacred jasper]

a

i think i figured it out

[eternal onyx]

Android has its own libraries you need to install for unity to be able to build for it

once that's done you can switch your project over

[sacred jasper]

Yeah i seen it now, i had to add the module

installing it now

[sharp zinc]

question is there any way to find out the percentage exactly of each tracker?

[blissful timber]

is anyone online?

[delicate wagon]

my oculus just died

sorry

[blissful timber]

huh

I need help with some things

[valid dagger]

I need to install the SDK to unity hub? and not import into the assests?

[valid dagger]

alrighty thank you

will this work if my version o finuty hub is newer?

im using 3.1.2

[eternal onyx]

the version of unity hub shouldn't really matter at all

unless they completely changed the interface, i have no idea

[valid dagger]

i'm asking because it doesn't seem to be working for me still

[eternal onyx]

what does not working mean

[valid dagger]

It still isn't applying the SDK and showing me the same error

[eternal onyx]

what version of unity, and what version of the VRC SDK are you using

[valid dagger]

im using 2019.4.31f1 and the SKD i just got of Vrc website

[eternal onyx]

okay. go to your Build Settings in your project, click on Android. It should complain that you don't have the thing installed and give you a link to download

[valid dagger]

well its allowed me to now swap windows but i have a new popup

[eternal onyx]

buhhhh

sorry, i don't know what VRCQuestTools are

[valid dagger]

all good

[fresh stratus]

honestly i dont mess wit it and leave it open and i can still upload it perfectly fine

[midnight gazelle]

idk if it's for this channel but why can't quest avatars use sound

I dont see how it would be laggy

[eternal onyx]

audio processing is cpu intensive and the quest hardware just can't handle it

[cunning mist]

I have a model I bought and I want to make a question of it. however, the file size is too large to be uploaded. I've tried lowering my textures among a couple other things but the file size is still about 10+ mb larger than allowed on quest. what should I do

[slow hearth]

crunch compression

i.e.

[cunning mist]

tysm ^^

[cunning mist]

what should I do if I want to lower the amount of my colliders. usually getting rid of components deals with it but I still have a bunch

[cunning mist]

how can I lower the size of my avatar besides lowering the textures. I've crunch compressed them and need one more mb to put it on quest

[modest quarry]

What's the best compression format to have my lightmaps in? I'm not a fan of the artefacts the default settings have

[radiant osprey]

I believe Quest has to use ASTC compression, but I'm not 100% sure on that

[cunning mist]

I made a quest version for an avatar but for some reason, the skin color slider is only affecting the face and not the rest of the body. does anyone know what the issue is

[analog cargo]

Is the face a separate material than the rest of the body?

[sharp zinc]

how do i convert links for quest

[dim bluff]

neat trick: if you absolutely HAVE to have a 4096x4096 texture on your Quest avatar, overriding settings to ASTC 12x12, best quality will take the same VRAM/upload size as a 1024x2048 ETC2 texture

The default 'low quality' ASTC compression will only get you halfway there

[graceful dust]

Thank youuu!

[graceful dust]

darn it

[graceful dust]

another thingy to lower upload file size, open the model in blender and use decimate modifier to lower polygons

[waxen hornet]

Ngl, I am the big frustration. I have deleted unnecessary meshes on the avatar, deleted materials that were associated with it, and crunched textures with max compression crunch. I have gotten it down to 14.50 MB but cannot get it any lower. I would bring it into Blender to decimate but the problem is the meshes are actually as decimated as much as they can be. Anymore and they lose faces or skin just clips through. Not sure what else I can do?

[radiant osprey]

Remove unused blendshapes on your mesh and it'll go down a lot

[waxen hornet]

Unfortunately, the avatar that was made HIGHLY relies on blendshapes

[radiant osprey]

As well as setting Tangents to Import in the FBX settimgs

[waxen hornet]

I didn't make the avatar, it was a purchased and I just wanted to convert it to Quest.

[radiant osprey]

That in itself is super unoptimized

[waxen hornet]

Yeah, I'm aware lol. I've talked to him about it in the past where he really should rely less on blendshapes cause then if people want to optimize the avatar they can't.

Unless they feel like removing all the blendshapes themselves and then further weight painting the avatar so the clothes fit more appropriately.

[radiant osprey]

Well in that state you're gonna need to remove some features to get it under the 10mb limit

[waxen hornet]

I guess I'll have to. It sucks, too, because she looks very awkward if certain meshes are removed. Sorta like she's incomplete, but it is what it is.

[radiant osprey]

Well in my opinion if you can't get under 10mb there's something seriously wrong with the avatar. My PC avatar is less than 4mb and I have a ton of toggles and even a gif on my avatar

[waxen hornet]

I honestly never had an issue making an avi quest compat before but his are a bit problematic.

His always give me a hard time.

[radiant osprey]

Yeah some creators give 0 craps about optimization

And then people wonder why VRC runs at 20fps

[waxen hornet]

The thing is his avatars run very well in other lobbies, which is surprising. He said he had figured out a way to really optimize materials so they're not as GPU intensive but still look good, which they do. With his avatar, I run with 60 fps where with other avatars they make me drop down to 40 putting them on.

It just makes it so hard to make it Quest compatible. 😭

[radiant osprey]

He's lying unfortunately. There's nothing a creator can do to "optimize materials" other than lowering the amount of them

Either way, materials are not the only culprit to FPS loss and many creators don't even know

[waxen hornet]

Also, this may be a dumb question but do radial puppets still work with Quest avatars?

[radiant osprey]

Yes they have always worked

[waxen hornet]

Okay, wasn't sure. I'm a pc user so I'm not very familiar with what actually functions on Quest.

[humble canyon]

basically it's rotational constrains custom shaders and like real-time lights that don't work on Quest

[radiant osprey]

Any constraints

[humble canyon]

good point

[waxen hornet]

I'm gonna throw this whole dang project away lol

Christ, I hate this

[limpid dock]

Where can I get index controllers for less than $400?

[amber surge]

I got a set on facebook marketplace for 200.
They were used but good condition.

[limpid dock]

Is that the cheapest it gets for good condition? I only make $8.50/hr, so I can't afford that kind of thing easily lmfao. Took me about 2 months just for the Oculus.

OOOH

[amber surge]

No yelling in the halls

[limpid dock]

Well then lmfao

My bad

[amber surge]

Rip

You should be able to find a set for 200 if you're lucky.

[limpid dock]

Wow

KSL has nothing

[limpid dock]

I'll try Facebook

[slow hearth]

You'll need the dongles too if you're using a quest

[radiant osprey]

I think you need a new job before you get new controllers

[slow hearth]

lmao

probably some kid working part time? dunno

doubt they need to pay rent

[radiant osprey]

I hope so

[cunning mist]

is there a way to keep things like springjoints or objects on quest because everytime I attempt to upload a version of my model it asks to remove those and I would really like to keep them
or is that just too much for the quest to handle

[radiant osprey]

Nope. Too much for the quest to handle

[cunning mist]

sadge :T

[limpid dock]

Yes :sadge:

[kind oxide]

with using the VRQuest tools from booth how can you make an avatar pc and quest compatible? Or do you have to upload the same avatar twice and make the blueprint IDs the same
and how do you make them the same for both uploads if you do it with blueprint ID

[graceful dust]

That discussion would probably go in #avatar-quest

[remote marten]

why my game is locked at 60 fps how to unlock???

[radiant osprey]

It's possible it just can't hit 90fps with your avatar/world.

[remote marten]

No its even on a blank world with lowest settings

[radiant osprey]

What performance rank is your avatar

[remote marten]

excellent

[humble canyon]

does the quest even offer 90 frames per second Standalone for vrc

[radiant osprey]

I think 72 is the max?

[remote marten]

im on steamvr

[radiant osprey]

Headset?

Quest link I assume

[remote marten]

q2

😎

[radiant osprey]

What are your PC specs

[humble canyon]

then why are you in the quest optimization Channel as this is a pcvr question

[slow hearth]

these channels are for quest standalone lol

[remote marten]

gtx 1650

[slow hearth]

ya you aint getting 90

lower the resolution and pray that 1650 doesnt explode

[remote marten]

no i just want a little more than 60 lmao

[radiant osprey]

Turn down some settings and make sure your own avatar is optimized

You're not going to get 60+ in public worlds no matter what

[slow hearth]

you either hit the fps goal (72, 80, 90, 120) or half of that if you cant

you dont get "a little more"

unless you disable asw and enjoy nausea

[radiant osprey]

It can vary about 5fps around those goals

And it isn't always half. For example, Vive with a goal of 90fps can reproject to 60fps and then 45fps

[slow hearth]

he is not on a vive

[remote marten]

is 72 possible

[radiant osprey]

I know I'm just saying how reprojection works

[humble canyon]

how Quest two handles it is the only thing that matters

[radiant osprey]

SteamVR does it's own stuff even using Quest link

[slow hearth]

its either half, or half of half (80 ->40->20)

[remote marten]

is 72 fps possible?

[radiant osprey]

Not correct

[slow hearth]

steam reprojects it doesnt do motion smoothing like the vive

on the quest 2

[remote marten]

im typing this on q2

[radiant osprey]

Right, thats what I was talking about

[remote marten]

lmao

[slow hearth]

oculus software handles asw

[slow hearth]

lower your graphics

enable high safety

[remote marten]

ok

ok

[slow hearth]

pray to the gods

[remote marten]

okj

[slow hearth]

and youll probably hit 36

😂

[humble canyon]

don't ever show very poor avatars if you're trying to hit maximum frame rate

[remote marten]

i hit 120 for 1.2 seconds with lowest possible graphics

in a blank world

i have 45 fps on 2804x2832

resolution

[slow hearth]

LOL

dont even think about 120hz, and drop that rez to about half of that

if you want to smell frames with that 1650

[barren frost]

I’m new to VRC but I’m on quest is there any way I can enable to show avatars without manually going through and enabling them?

[slow hearth]

Nope

Very poor avis are hidden on purpose

[humble canyon]

your headset would crash instantly if the very poor avatars were automatically shown

[graceful dust]

Why that?

[humble canyon]

because it's basically a cell phone running the quest 2 so all of those complicated avatars would overwhelm its little mobile processor

[graceful dust]

HUH?

oh

You scared me-

[graceful dust]

I mean, i know it runs android but aren't the components bigger than a simple small phone

or even if so

turning them on one by one

waiting for the previous one to load

[humble canyon]

it's not magically big enough to handle a bunch of very bad avatars

[graceful dust]

.-.

i mean

Avatars with 200 particles and all the stuff maxed out maybe

but an avatar with only a couple details that still goes in very poor

or like an avatar with 3 material slots because you added toggles and weapons or stuff to it

[humble canyon]

very poor because of draw calls can still be quite expensive to the mobile processor

[graceful dust]

that goes in very poor because yes

oh my wifi

Ohh

True

alriiiight.. you aint wrong
But still sometimes you can turn on everyone's avatars and be fine

ugh I swear mountains are annoying

No mob data

[minor imp]

Hi! I have a pc avatar that I want to make quest compatible. Can you all tell me how? I watched a bunch of tutorials but like someone to walk through it with me or give me a checklist of some sort. . .

[humble canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8

[lyric briar]

there is a reason why the quest just doesn't have the oomph then a PC whos CPU is twice as expensive, and whos GPU has has twice the amount of VRAM then the Quest 2 has RAM, among other things.
And the reason why there are so many very poor quest avatars is simple, a lot of people have spent countless hours and sometimes a lot of money (sometimes several times the value of the quest 2 itself) in to their avatars. And those avatars would look completly different and basically get destroyed if they would be optimized to quest 2 standards. Also it takes quite a lot of time and skill to optimize them to that standard, but in the end you have an avatar that looks terrible in comparison. So most people just remove a lot of optional stuff from their avatars and upload them "as is" as a quest version, because quest users sometimes complain a lot because they just see fallback avatars. Also, some avatars just don't work on quest because of features that are not present on the quest 2 build, like constraints.

The quest 2 hardware limitations are just to to high.

just to give you an idea: an Avatar that is "Excellent" on PC, can be very poor on quest

a while ago I started to create an Avatar from scratch, the goal was to be excellent on quest and PC, and also to have a lot of features and little details, and that it looks good and the same on both plattforms, just to prove that it is possible to do it.
I gave up after a few dozen hours, because I rather spend my time doing something else.

[dim bluff]

CATS bake will make it... acceptable, at least!

one of these days I'd like to work on a way to manually control the simplification portion, but that may be a ways off

[dusty robin]

Hi

[lyric briar]

yeah, no

[sick yacht]

If you make a PC Model first and then optimize it for quest using CATS decimator It's super easy.

[vast cobalt]

any aussies who have an oculus quest 2 connected to air link? I'm having trouble connecting it

[sharp zinc]

I used this method and it hasn't reduced the size of anything, or dented it. I just need .47 of a MB to crunch down.

[green oriole]

The only time that I know of when it doesn't decrease size is when you have the "compression" setting set to "High Quality" instead of "Normal Quality
".
But even then, question if you really need this to be this high resolution, while it may look low resolution in Unity, in VR you are very unlikely to notice.
I can get away with a single 4k texture for the entire body, for smaller accessories you can get away with far lower resolutions.

And worth remembering that all crunch compression does is decrease the download size, not the actual size in memory and Quest does not have a lot of memory.

[humble canyon]

and you probably don't need a 4K texture just to have a metallic map

[sharp zinc]

What is really fucking weird is I compressed almost everything ... And the total MB went up by 0.18.

[green oriole]

Not sure how crunch compression works, but there is a thing called a table that is often used to compress stuff and it takes up size on its own, which makes it pointless to compress low res stuff since the table could make it bigger than before.

All I can really recommend you to do is decrease the resolution of the textures instead, which you can easily do in Unity.

Although if you have a texture with transparency that doesn't need it then making it a solid color like pure black has decreased size for me in the past.

[sharp zinc]

I deleted an extra FBX

it had nothing to do with the textures apparently lmfao

[tame tendon]

I can’t load into specific worlds on vrchat and my game consistently crashes when trying to load into these worlds. Is there a way to fix this?

Uninstalling and reinstalling doesn’t fix the issue

[graceful dust]

I have this issue too

[radiant osprey]

You can still add an emission and just apply whatever color grading you used for the base color onto the emission colors

[radiant osprey]

How is the color of the particle controlled

[radiant osprey]

I can't remember, does VRC allow the VRC Particle shaders on avatars?

Alpha Blended is technically transparent but appears solid. But VRC doesn't allow it

Well with the provided shaders the only thing you really can do is use something like Toon Lit or Standard Lite with a grey emission so it's not entirely taking the color

Unfortunately that's the only options you have for Quest

Gotta upvote that canny request to add an unlit shader to quest

[radiant osprey]

Bounds? Make sure the white box is coverting the entire mesh

[stone sonnet]

idk it this is where to ask but im getting <20 fps and constant crashes on my quest

[quaint citrus]

If there's anything that is pain on vrchat it's making a optimized quest avatar.