avatar-quest

[magic slate]

Good.

[elder basin]

The quest one have (android) in it
Some videos on yt found there avatar have (quest) is there difference
Like is it the problem?

[magic slate]

Quests and other headsets run Android as their OS, they are equivalent.

[elder basin]

Ok then this isnt the problem thx for ur help 🤍 if u had anything in mind to try or u found solution i would love to hear it

[magic slate]

that was the main one, I rarely do any android content otherwise

[elder basin]

K

Btw just wanna mention when i hit upload in left it says supported platforms windows,android

[arctic slate]

what's the quest model's stats? if you're using multi platform upload and the stats are too poor occasionally it'll let you upload but it wont actually pass the security check in-game which'd prevent people from seeing it

[elder basin]

The stats in game when im choosing it it says very poor but what that mean?
Shall i add more details??

The red !
And android, windows signs

[magic slate]

"very poor" is explained here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system

I encourage reading this whole site, it's very informative.

[elder basin]

THANK YOU i appreciate you help

[elder basin]

I just finish editing the avatar it was 144000 polygons
Now its 71000 its suppose to be smooth for fps and etc
imma upload it and check if it does or not

How many polygons shall i have max to make it upload?

[magic slate]

those details are literally in the link in the message you're replying to

[elder basin]

K sry

[plush fable]

Question, how many VRC Constraints can an avatar have on quest?

[flint forge]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits

[plush fable]

Thank you!

[flint forge]

Depth has to do with how many objects below the constraint it is affecting

[plush fable]

I see

I don't have a billion objects I'm constraining so I should be fine

[silent siren]

not quite -- it's how many constraints you have chained together

e.g. if you have this hierarchy:

• A
  • B
    • C

and all of those objects have constraints on them, that should give a depth of 3

VRChat has to figure out constraint A, then B, then C, and it can't do them simultaneously

[flint forge]

Oh right, thanks for the reminder.

[silent siren]

i have never managed to make constraint depth an issue, even on my really elaborate avatars

[blissful cave]

Hey guys

What's up

[noble sparrow]

Too over MB... 🙁

[arctic slate]

you could use VRCFury's blendshape optimizer or just remove the unused ones outright in blender and merge + atlas materials, merge meshes (also set the rig as a humanoid if you're gonna want it to move with vrchat's native locomotion setup)

[frank dagger]

is there any one for someone to upload a avatar on qest i dont gott a pc

[arctic slate]

if its a P2U model then check if they offer uploads otherwise check the models TOU (you may have to purchase a version for your uploader) and ask a friend you trust

[frank dagger]

i have no freands lol

[arctic slate]

still check that first part if its P2U then if the creator doesnt offer uploads perhaps someone in their server that also owns it would be willing to help

but if you dont have a PC you really shouldnt be buying models outside of the game

[frank dagger]

noo its a free model

[noble sparrow]

Not work.

[magic slate]

As the message says, look at the console for more details

[noble sparrow]

Which one.

[magic slate]

see the first pinned message in #avatar-help on how to share console errors - that one says basically nothing

(clue: look at the first errors)

[noble sparrow]

Foot?

[magic slate]

what?

[noble sparrow]

You said First errors.

[magic slate]

Yes, in the console.

[noble sparrow]

I don't know how to downgrade to Quest.

Like this?

[arctic slate]

the texture error shown at the bottom of that screenshot's SDK panel is likely whats causing the issue with upload, gotta lower some of your model's texture resolutions and it might let it upload though the overall shown stats so far on the model is pretty bad for both quest and PC platforms

[noble sparrow]

You will assist me?

I'm using Blender 5.0.0.

[arctic slate]

ive already said how to fix it the one error best i can do is offer this how-to for lowering texture res: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512468176202891264/1477564243833389228/reduce_texture_sizes_bothparts.mp4?ex=69c979af&is=69c8282f&hm=e40f4adf915ac49a5c19d245d4fbe80a4a8a6fbffed766514ad91cab6a75fd48&

i dont do hand-hold teaching

[noble sparrow]

Oh I don't have Dual Photon Saber for Quest. 🙁

Sorry.

[arctic slate]

what?

[noble sparrow]

I was swear.

Dual Lightsaber

[noble sparrow]

Look like I don't have money.

Without Photon Saber.

[buoyant void]

whoever makes custom avatars text me

[magic slate]

good way to find scammers, you should instead go to the VRC Traders discord to commission people

[buoyant void]

bet new to all this preciate it!

[uneven raptor]

Hello, I need some help. So, my avatars ears and tail move perfectly fine in play-mode, but wont move in game. Even after following a guide using the VRC Quest Tools add-on, it still dosen't work

[brittle socket]

how can i make flashlights for quest now that the partical system no longer works?

[brittle socket]

too many phybones

[pastel bough]

on quest, you can only have a max of 7-8 physbones so going above it will automatically disable all of them upon upload. you can circumvent this with root bones (like having a single ear root bone connected to both ears instead of two seperate ear physbones) aswell as decreasing subsequent abundance of bones (like how sometimes tails are 10 bones when the same fluidity can be done with like 6 or less)

[pastel bough]

sadly world lights dont work either on quest im pretty sure so the only way is thru emissions to give that look but a proper working one is impossible on quest as far as i know

[uneven raptor]

Alright, Ill have to look into this tmr

[brittle socket]

https://giphy.com/gifs/frustrated-fainting-pass-out-i8tV2kJB8Gig8

[uneven raptor]

I kinda figued that, but I wasn't sure how exactly to go about fixing it

[pastel bough]

you can just make a quest build that has less physbones and upload it but making root bones and disolving them is a blender thing

[pastel bough]

idk if you solved this by any means but the first one is set to quest particle multiply, second one has the fishnets on a decal layer or on the avis textures directly, third looks like using a matcap that is transparent or is on particle additive (or a matcaps texture thats is a additive particle), last one also looks like its particle additive with the really see thru parts being black on the texture giving it that full transparent look.

you can get transparency or get that effect but its just a pain

and im talking as someone who has done transparency on quest multiple times on many models (friends photo whos on quest with a model i made for em)

same avi, different lighting to show bit better

best way to show how to get it too look fully transparent is like this, additive makes things bright and cancels out black as clear, multiply makes things dark and cancels white as clear

[burnt mural]

ohhh, takes notes

[uneven raptor]

Would you mind if we talked about this more some other time? I'm pretty new to unity and avatar stuff, so the extra help would be nice

[pastel bough]

yee np dude

[uneven raptor]

Thanks, appreciate it :)

[pastel bough]

idm being pinged, just know i sleep alot so sorry if theres late replys

[uneven raptor]

That's all good, sleep is important lol

-# I've been there before

[pastel bough]

hell yea

[weak basin]

all 4 avatars use the particle shaders to have quest transparency. The comment was sarcasm replying to someone telling me I don't know what I'm talking about because apparently 'quest can't have transparency at all'. These were my examples showing that I've done transparency many times and in fact have extensive knowledge on quest limitations.

[pastel bough]

this is so real and true and valid, have a good night for me not understanding initally TwT

[weak basin]

I understand that like 3 years ago the particle shaders didn't work, but like these people are so confidently wrong and will argue with me extensively sometimes about it

[pastel bough]

fr dawg, sorry that shi happens dude. people do be dumb sometimes

[weak basin]

they need to add a button to throw rocks at people through the computer screen

[sick wedge]

Hiyaa

[burnt mural]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[pastel bough]

https://tenor.com/view/glaggleland-giggler-wave-hi-hello-gif-1778682153299136113

[uneven raptor]

Hey @pastel bough I have some time to spare before work, are you free to run through the process of getting the physics working?

[magic slate]

Some worlds can now suppress that, such as Fish!

[night reef]

Does anyone know how to upload avatars

I need assistance

[steady idol]

several people do yes

[night reef]

Do you know how to I need help uploading my avatar

[steady idol]

you need to actually specify your issue

[night reef]

I just don’t know what to do in general

I got vcc and unity

[steady idol]

#avatar-development-links

[weak basin]

Do you have your personal mirror or face mirror out? That fixes it sometimes

[tall oyster]

If I wanted to add transparency to something, say glasses. Id use mobile particles additive or multiply right? Also would that work with certain outfit parts? Can't test it right now so wondering for later.

[frosty glen]

anyone know how to make a quest compatible png avatar? its mostly background images im having issues with because it shows a black background around the avatar

nothing i do is working and i cant work blender either 💔

i have it on toonlit rn and the only other shader that works is in particles/alpha something but its not quest compatible

i need help ASAP

(and i know its possible somehow)

[jagged sequoia]

you cannot use transparency on Quest avatars at all

[pure fiber]

the only quest compatible transparency shaders are additive and multiply

[flint forge]

Yeah, with Blender, you need to manually cut out the black part.

[weak basin]

add a material slot to the mesh. Make one material using additive and another using multiply. with the two layered, it will look like alpha blend

[frosty glen]

ohh okay ty! Ill try this out

[weak basin]

tapping the sign

[weak basin]

for the multiply one, make sure the background is either transparent or white (if alpha blend was working for you I am assuming the background is already transparent)

[frosty glen]

alrighty

[subtle mural]

[zenith cobalt]

Hello, does anyone use one main face/body and make every outfit a separate avatar for a green performance rating? How do you manage the files?

Currently I'm keeping the clothing articles separate in a single BLEND file. Then I select the parts I want, merge them, and export the FBX file. At least that's what I did in 2022. Is this what's done today also? Was it done ever, or was there always a better/easier way?

[magic slate]

Yes - I do basically this method you describe.

[solid dock]

Anyone here work with furries ?

[magic slate]

Yep, a few of them

[solid dock]

Whooooo

[round jolt]

Idk if anyone is familiar with jiggle physics for VRChat if anyone knows how to put ass physics on a avatar for VRChat please LMK I been having issues any help will be very much appreciated:)

[magic slate]

what you want are Physbones: https://creators.vrchat.com/common-components/physbones

[round jolt]

So I download that and put it into unity and then what I'm sorry Im new with jiggle physics and there's no instructions or tutorials on YT 🙁

If you have a video on how to put ass jiggle physics on a avatar that would be very helpful

[magic slate]

I don't, but if you look up "physbones" you will probably find tutorials

and no, you don't download something, you read that entire page, it does a decent job of explaining how to setup physics effects on a bone chain.

[round jolt]

Ok thank you so much I appreciate it 😊

[magic slate]

if you get stuck, #avatar-dynamics is the right channel, unless it's actually quest-specific

[round jolt]

Ok thank you again 😁 and it's PC only avatar as I'm pcvr but I very much appreciate all the help I'll look tutorials on "physbones" thank you again

[magic slate]

ah ok, not sure why we're in here then.

[gloomy gust]

@snow girder can I like dm I need some help with my account and my uploaded avatars

[cloud bone]

[magic slate]

note that they don't do technical support

[gloomy gust]

Note that what i meed to talk to them about isnt your concern

[spark orbit]

You won't get an answer, Strasz' bio (in case you haven't checked) literally states they won't respond to any DMs in relation to moderation, bugs or support and your question would be classified as "support". Kazin is simply letting you know not to waste your time so you can find help somewhere/someway else.

[gloomy gust]

Well then i need someone who can undelete uploaded avatars vc someone without my permission got into my acc im the middle of a avatar deal and deleted at least $125 worth of custom avatars

[magic slate]

they don't do that

what did you do, share your login credentials with someone?

[gloomy gust]

Yes but it was to get a avatar uploaded and the persons gf loged into my account with my permission and deleted all my avatars

[magic slate]

this is why you don't share your credentials.

[gloomy gust]

well then how do i get avatars uploaded

[magic slate]

do it yourself

[gloomy gust]

I cant

Im a questie

And my pc just shit it self

[white pond]

Thats why would should always have a trust friend to do it not some random lass that gunna just troll you

[robust whale]

best thing you can do right now is change your password, and then contact all creators who uploaded avatars on your account and ask for them to upload again

explain the situation, and they should hopefully log the usernames of whoever they upload avatars for, so they can tell it's the same account as before and that you aren't sharing the avatar with someone else

[keen lichen]

i’ve been trying to upload this avatar for ever idk what to do anymore

[magic slate]

describe what is happening

[keen lichen]

i’m not very good at this but i tried to upload and it failed

[magic slate]

you'll need to provide details

[magic slate]

see the first pinned post about how to share the right messages - nothing in those are helpful, unfortunately

[keen lichen]

okay like i said i am new, i dont see any pinned post on this channel about right messages. what can i provide to help you help me 🥲

[magic slate]

oh damn, sorry, wrong channel. It's in #avatar-help

I wasn't looking at which channel this was

[keen lichen]

all good, i appreciate the help and patience

am very excited sending ss now

[magic slate]

still nothing of use there

maybe something in the build stats in the SDK window?

[keen lichen]

idk what that means..

[magic slate]

above where you click "build and publish" is a list of stats, look for things that are red or otherwise warning you of problems

[keen lichen]

oh right one sec

could there be a problem because the file brings up 4 different avatars? it gives one for pc one for sps one for ft and one for quest?

like when i upload it?

[magic slate]

you have to pick the right one, of course

[keen lichen]

and how do i choose it?

[magic slate]

I usually just disable the others, but in section 1 in that "create an avatar" window there should be a dropdown

[keen lichen]

but i dont need to get rid of the other ones in the scene?

[magic slate]

nope

[keen lichen]

okay, and then these warnings

[magic slate]

you're in the quest channel, that avatar with 200k polys is going to be awful on quest.

93 material slots is pretty crazy too

even for PC

[keen lichen]

i bought this for pc

[magic slate]

and yet, you're asking about it in here?

[keen lichen]

i meant to be in the help sorry

[magic slate]

okay

Let's continue there then.

[gloomy gust]

@smoky quest hey i need to talk to you about my custom assaulttron

@smoky quest

[graceful stump]

What is the maximum polygon limit for the Avatar quest?

[magic slate]

listed here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits

[graceful stump]

The maximum numbers aren't listed here. Previously, the standalone version of the avatar was 75,000, but now I see a standalone avatar with 103,000.

[magic slate]

oh like actual hard-limit, I see

Although the current version of VRChat does not implement a hard limit, we may implement a hard limit for avatars based on triangle count, material counts, mesh counts, and other qualities in the future. Please keep our recommendations in mind as described in Android Content Optimization.

from here: https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/quest-content-limitations

[lofty nova]

Are your toggles somehow reversed? Or is this piece of clothing just pc only

[solid dock]

Is this flurry ?

[keen lichen]

yes

[solid dock]

Send it?

[keen lichen]

send what

the file?

[weak basin]

on the quest model, look at the fx and find the toggle for the deleted clothing. Then, just add an animation for a clothing you didn't delete into those slots (on goes in the on, off in the off, etc). This way when you wear the deleted clothing on pc quest will see a different outfit, but you won't be naked

[brittle socket]

is there anyway to make this emmisive?

[magic slate]

use a shader which does emissions

[brittle socket]

i need it transparent for quest tho

[magic slate]

you don't get alpha transparency on quest, and the particle shaders iirc don't do emissions.

[brittle socket]

that photo is using a quest shader

[magic slate]

Yep, I can see that.

[brittle socket]

but i saw other avis that have it glowing plus transparent

[night plume]

So put shorts for instance make another toggle even though there is a toggle there already?

[weak basin]

Yeah so let's say skirt is deleted. On quest, the shorts toggle will be for shorts, but the skirt toggle will also put the shorts on. And in PC you will see the skirt.

[manic pulsar]

Hello everyone

[night plume]

I see so where the skirt is on the pc skirt toggle should be shorts

So it's opposites

I wish someone made a tutorial on this lol

[magic slate]

are you using the same parameters file for both avatars?

[night plume]

Yes

[magic slate]

not sure why you'd have different behavior then

[night plume]

I'm very very very new to this

I'm gonna check it now to see if the shorts go off again

Does anyone have any information on how to get the FF viseme? For some reason this model is missing it and it's cause jaw lock meaning when I speak her mouth doesn't move.

[magic slate]

how to "get" it? You make the shape key if it doesn't exist.

[night plume]

For some reason it's TH and there's no FF

[silent siren]

that wouldn't cause the visemes to stop working entirely

[magic slate]

you don't want to be doubling up on those though

[night plume]

I know I watched a tutorial. How do you make the key shape sorry if my words don't make sense I'm a new sorry (˚ ˃̣̣̥⌓˂̣̣̥ )

[magic slate]

Blender (or similar), you create a new shape key then move vertices around however you like

[night plume]

Ooo

[silent siren]

Lilyyy was suggesting how to deal with the Quest version missing some clothing items

[magic slate]

Yes, I'm aware

[night plume]

See it doesn't exist

Are they hacked

[magic slate]

I have no way of knowing that.

[night plume]

Oooo

Do you know anyone I can commission to make me a shape key for the singular shape key?

[magic slate]

VRC Traders discord

[silent siren]

note that this is not why your visemes don't work at all

(and missing the ff viseme is not a big deal; just leave it empty or use a similarly-shaped viseme)

SS will look close enough

[magic slate]

I thought you could not have any empty or any duplicates?

[night plume]

Wait really?

That'll help me and save me money

So I don't have to commission someone lol

So why isn't it working tho? Like sometimes my mouth moves then she suddenly just keeps her mouth closed its happened alot

[night plume]

What could it be? Id appreciate your help!

[silent siren]

okay, so your visemes sometimes work, then?

your mouth isn't completely immobile

[night plume]

Very very rarely work but yeah

[subtle mural]

A

[weak basin]

Does it happen during a facial expression? Some FX setups have visemes disabled during some facial expressions to avoid warp or weird looking mouths

[night plume]

Yeah sometimes yeah but even when I'm not using any expressions it freezes mouth closed

[torpid igloo]

is there any tutorials for making scrolling textures on quest? ik its possible bc ive seen someone with it

[magic slate]

animate shifting the texture offset

[torpid igloo]

like- just using the animator?

[torpid igloo]

could you by chance record yourself doing that so i know how to>

[magic slate]

definitely not

[torpid igloo]

ok thanks anyway

[brittle socket]

is there a way i can change my nametag's height?

[brittle matrix]

guys i need help i bought two avators and i need them upload then to my account but i dont have a pc can anyone help?!

[arctic slate]

check to see if the avatar's creator offer uploads or see if any of your friends you know well are willing to, account sharing is risky (if you end up getting a friend willing to make sure to read the model's TOU as 99% of models dont allow any kind of filesharing so you'd likely need to purchase a version for them aswell)

[burnt mural]

I suggest that you ask a trusted friend to do it for you instead of a stranger, as they would need access to your vrchat account.
If you give the trusted friend your login, i still suggest you reset the password and re-enable 2fa if turned on once they are finished.

[weak basin]

make an animation that changes the offset value of the texture. then just make an FX layer that just plays that animation.

set each keyframe to linear for a smooth animation

(right click on the top dot to select all values on that frame)

[magic slate]

You can commission people at the VRC Traders discord. You'll just find scammers around here.

[weak spear]

I was able to figure it out on my own, so I'm all good!

[magic slate]

even better

[arctic slate]

id delete the link in this since its NSFW and breaks the #rules

[tribal locust]

Spreading the word around

[quartz grail]

oh noooo

[tribal locust]

Update

[torpid igloo]

Is it possible to pause/remove rotation constraints with a toggle? And if so can someone show me how (ik how to make a toggle but it’s the constraint that’s confusing me

[magic slate]

sure, just disable the game object or set the weight of the target to 0

er, source.

[blazing stone]

How come it cost so much to make a avatar?

[magic slate]

it's a bunch of work

[sullen heath]

do yall know of any tools that make it easier to locate materials without the correct shaders which are hiding somewhere on ur avi?

besides VRCQuesttools at least

every time i use that it scrambles my shit and ive already got most of the materials set anyway

[sullen heath]

holy scam

[tribal locust]

Clankers

[magic slate]

yep.

[tribal locust]

:(

[sullen heath]

i reported it

[tribal locust]

Im not too fond of Clankers

[valid rune]

I've been making avatars for a while, but I'm having issues right now. I'll make the PC version and it'll upload great, and then I go to upload the quest version and I keep getting the error "Avatar validation failed." Why? It's the same ID number, i haven't changed anything.

[dim cove]

optimize your avatar

[valid rune]

When my avatar is too big, I get the message that it's too big, I don't get the avatar validation failed message. The avatar is under 10mb and I still get this

[dim cove]

show the stats

[robust whale]

clear your console log, build and upload. It will likely fail again. Check console for the 🛑 error closest to the top, that is likely your issue

[uneven raptor]

Hi, when putting on the textures for the novabeast, Im having troubles with the eyes being white. I had a problem like this before where I had to change the shader to multiply, but it's not working for this

[magic slate]

probably have a mesh layer over them that's supposed to be transparent, which you can't do on quest

[uneven raptor]

Oh alright, I had found to fix it

[serene hazel]

Hello
I'm looking for an artist who can design a realistic (hyper realistic) 3d avatar waist up, rig, face track with expressions for streaming

Dm me with your past works

[steady idol]

this isnt a commission server

[serene hazel]

I've found someone else already

[kindred fractal]

fingers crossed it isnt a scammer if they're from here. W tho

[robust whale]

please be careful, if they found you from here and are asking for payment, they are most likely a scammer

[near otter]

How can someone find an artist who makes avatars?

[magic slate]

visit the VRC Traders discord

[near otter]

Is that in this server?

[magic slate]

no, it's its own discord server

there's a link somewhere in #1204490664637890580

[serene hazel]

Thanks guys

[daring pumice]

Would someone upload an avatar to quest for me? or teach me how to on a phone or quest?

[flint forge]

Can't be done on phone or Quest, has to be done on some kind of computer and it is risky to allow someone random to upload an avatar for you, if they get banned or moderated then you might too as a suspected alt account.

[daring pumice]

Ok thank you for telling me!

appreciate it

[torpid igloo]

How would I make an avatar transition materials? Kinda like the dissolve animation in poyomi

[magic slate]

That dissolve is all in the shader, you don't get that kind of thing in any of the mobile shaders

[torpid igloo]

I was hoping I could do something with the animator to replicate it in a semi manual way

[magic slate]

You probably could do something interesting by animating blendshapes

or maybe spawn particles at the same time you disable the body

[robust whale]

if you just want the textures to fade and you aren't using the detail slot in toon standard, then you could use that as your 'secondary material' (or just a stand-in until you swap the material at the end of the animation)

[torpid igloo]

That might be good for me

I’ll try it

[torpid igloo]

how would i make that fade in? there isn't an alpha slider on the detail slot

nvm found it

[jaunty gale]

Does anyone know of good anime medieval avis

Like this. Good ones. With expressions and attacks

[spiral siren]

#1138520828556890214

[jaunty gale]

Looked. Nothing good

[arctic slate]

that channel is the only one for trying to find avatars, you could make your own post there and put a short description of the specific type of medival avatar you're looking for

otherwise you've gotta go find or make your own

[white herald]

I love fantasy rpgs and plan on making public avis with that theme soon (tm).

Not too sure about "attacks," but they will have features like weapons that can be drawn and sheathed.

[jaunty gale]

Ok I have a few good ideas if you're willing to try. A lot of people like fire emblem. Thats a pretty good idea

[white herald]

Never played those, but I can look into it.

I do plan on making the D&D Tower of Doom and Mystara characters from the old Capcom game.

Although not technically "anime," I would also like to make the Vox Machina and Mighty Nine.

[jaunty gale]

K. Cause it would bring a lot of attention. Considering any avis of fire emblem are copy paste memes

[white herald]

Is it ok if we DM? I would like to hear more.

[jaunty gale]

Sure

[void bridge]

anyone got any matcaps that would be good for anime style avatars

[weak basin]

skin matcaps

hair matcaps

[weak basin]

another good way to get good shading is to use liltoon shadow settings, and then right click the liltoon material and click generate ramp. Then you can use the ramp texture as a shadow ramp for toon standard custom shading.

[long sinew]

Can someone help me figure out why my avatar wont upload?

[magic slate]

it's probably the menu item

[long sinew]

theres no expressions menu on this avatar though

[magic slate]

weird that it'd be telling you that then. Perhaps it's a menu added by a VRCFury prefab?

[long sinew]

hm

theres nothing in the skeleton that should be causing any issues

[long sinew]

mkay i guess i somehow messed up the vrchat sdks files somehow. uploads just fine on a different project

[runic ermine]

(if this isnt the right channel to ask this in please point me in the right direction)chat i wanna try to make my own avatar (because i cant find any quest compatible avis that fit my tastes) but im so confused by all these tutorials online. So, first and foremost, would i even be able to make an avatar if all I have to work with is an acer laptop?

[burnt mural]

It works with any laptop that has suppot for Unity.

Windows is ok as example

I recommend to have a bit more resources like ram and cpu power, but it is how it is. Be it that it takes 5 minutes to build the avatar and upload because the pc is not that fast

I recommend to look for avatars that have a low poly count.
You can exceed the limit and it will be on very poor, but the entire avatar cannot exceed 10MB in total. Thats your limit

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-limits

[runic ermine]

Sounds like I have a lot more research to do 🥹 thank you for the input I greatly appreciate it 🥲

[burnt mural]

🫡 feel free to ask more stuff if you are unsure

[fiery lake]

i use an acer nitro v15 to run unity and it seems good !!!

[magic slate]

naturally, laptop brand is entirely irrelevant here.

[white herald]

Out of curiosity, What kind of avatars do you like?

I can also share knowledge on how to make them specifically for Quest and work within the performance guidelines.

[runic ermine]

I’m only just now learning about the different styles- I seem to like certain furry avatars, and western styles? Maybe? I can’t remember terminology, truly just dipping my toes in the water for the first time. Usually I just see an avi I think is aesthetically pleasing and use it, but idk much about types models or bases

[white herald]

Keep in mind that Quest is a mobile processor and the guidelines are quite strict compared to PC avatars.

Some creators make an effort to make avatars that meet the Poor or better Performance Rank, but many do not.

So you may find and avatar you like and realize its not made for Quest. It could be edited to work, but depends on how much time you want to put into it.

[pearl cloud]

any suggestions how can i get rid for another 1.5mb for the 10mb limit? i scaled down all the textures already

[ionic cosmos]

If lowering all of your textures isn't enough, cutting down on meshes, and toggles would be a good starting point.

[weak basin]

Uncheck generate Mipmaps on all the textures.

[pearl cloud]

I'll try both later, thanks!

[prisma shoal]

blendshapes can be quite heavy if you have a lot of them, you can remove them in blender (where they're called shape keys) or throw one one of several optimizer addons that remove unused ones

[pearl cloud]

thank you~
can you suggest such addons?

[prisma shoal]

in my experience https://github.com/d4rkc0d3r/d4rkAvatarOptimizer is a good one-click solution
(the nanimations thing is fun but causes weird behavior in some worlds, e.g. ambient occlusion acts as if everything that's nanimated is always there)

[plush gazelle]

How do i fix this

[honest badger]

hi, trying to upload a quest avatar right now and i'm running into this error, i cant really tell whats wrong lol

[plush gazelle]

maybe trying reopening unity

thats all i can say

[honest badger]

yeah i tried, didnt do anything unfortunately

[silent siren]

look for other errors in the console

[honest badger]

it seems its just the sdk not cooperating, i made a new project, console was a clean slate until i tried to upload

[silent siren]

okay, but after you tried to upload, did any other error messages appear in the console?

[honest badger]

i ended up fixing it! i reloaded the sdk a handful of times

[sweet drift]

I just want love

[magic slate]

I want a hard-boiled egg

[frigid hamlet]

could someone make me a red hood thats good ok quest

[magic slate]

head over to the VRC Traders discord to commission people, you'll just get scammers DMing you around here.

[chilly trellis]

Ok so i just ordered a quest does anyone know any good shark fursonas

[spiral siren]

#1138520828556890214

[olive canopy]

im trying to find a good osaka or bobby hill skin

[rapid cradle]

is there a tool that allows me to delete blend shapes in unity?

[junior kiln]

Does anyone have a cute girl avatar I could use no NSFW and quest compatible Not anime and a human?

[flint forge]

VRCFury's blendshape optimizer component and D4rk's avatar optimizer will do those things during upload
And they are both smart about it and only touch blendshapes that aren't animated and bake in blendshapes that are set to a specific value.

[rapid cradle]

I tried it and my face is stun to the spawn enlongaating my hair ears nose tongue to the spawn point xD

[flint forge]

Which one, D4rk can sometimes cause some weirdness, but that is mostly because it is doing several things, I have never seen VRCFury's blendshape optimizer break things.

[flint forge]

No clue, this seems like an unrelated issue.
Sticking in one space even after moving with joystick means a world constraint most likely is there, no clue why there would be a world constraint on your face though.

I guess make sure you are up to date on the SDK and VRCFury/D4rk, whichever one you used.

[rapid cradle]

I made the avaatr from scratch

[flint forge]

Those vertices have unwanted weights then

[rapid cradle]

how do I get rid of them?

[sly tree]

Select the head mesh
2. Go to Edit Mode
3. Turn on vertex select
4. Find that stretched vertex (follow the spike)
5. Press M → Merge by Distance (sometimes fixes instantly)

[rapid cradle]

you got me lost. Edit from the top next to File?

[sly tree]

At the top-left, click Edit Mode
If you don’t see it: look for a dropdown that says Object Mode → click it → choose Edit Mode)Make sure your avatar head mesh is selected
Click the model first before switching modes
Now go to the top menu:
Click Select → Select All (or press A)
Then go to:
• Mesh → Clean Up → Merge by Distance

This fixes broken/stretched vertices instantly in many cases.

[sly tree]

If the spike is STILL there
Do this next:
Stay in Edit Mode
Press 1 (vertex select)
Try to click the tip of that long spike
Press G and move your mouse

If the whole spike moves → it’s a bad vertex (we fix weights next)
If nothing happens → it may be a different issue

Dm

[pure fiber]

hun they’re talking about in blender

[copper drum]

i need help with rigging

[hushed ibex]

hi, does anyone have a tool to help to get under the 10mb limits please?
im looking for a tool a tool that could show me which mesh or textures are too big and need to be optimised or deleted
but the actual download size not the vram usage

i use https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools
is there anything better?

[weak basin]

Build size viewer https://github.com/MunifiSense/VRChat-Build-Size-Viewer

[burnt mural]

Thry is pretty good. Otherwise i also use lilAvatarUtils for having a table like view on my textures and the resolution they are at. Then i can go to each one, set the right compression method and downscale them to an acceptable level

Compression and downscaling does a lot

and it's the easiest to do

I think 6x6 is the default compression, but you can also try 8x8 or even 12x12 and see how bad the compression artifacts are, ans how much that drops in file size

[worldly leaf]

does anyone know how to remove vertex colors without using blender? I don't know a lot about unity or avatars in general (sorry), but when I downloaded this avi the unity package had a script in it to remove vertex colors. It was editor-only and stopped it from building so i removed it.

The shoes still have vertex colors on them though when using the Toon Lit mobile shader. If i change the shader to Toon standard it goes away, but it only applies for one particular outfit.

The avi has a "black outfit" option, and if I enable that it changes the texture on the shoes making the vertex colors appear again.

I can't remove the vertex colors in blender without the avatar turning into a broken stick figure, even after setting the FBX scale properly. it must not scale uniformly or something.

Any help is appreciated, I feel like there's an obvious solution to this that im just missing

[kindred fractal]

VRCQuestTools has something for vertex colors

you may wanna look into it

[worldly leaf]

yeah thats what the broken script was from

i had to remove it cause it only worked in the editor and interrupted the build

[kindred fractal]

that's so odd

what sorta error did it spit at you

[worldly leaf]

it said "you are trying to save a prefab with a missing script"

i just removed it in the inspector panel

[kindred fractal]

also sometimes the avis are just stick figures because of the export settings. You could hypothetically export your own (diff fbx name) and just copy everything over with pumkin;s

if you're familiar with pumkins that is

since you're saying changing the scaling didn't help

[worldly leaf]

yeah i saw some people were saying that, ill give it a try if all else fails

[kindred fractal]

or just take the shoes, fix the vertex color and add them with the armature using vrcfury's armature thingie

weird solution but could work

then just delete the old ones off the main model

[worldly leaf]

thats a good idea, im more comfortable in blender than unity so ill try that

thankss

[kindred fractal]

no problem ^^

just make sure if you do that, the boots still have an armature so they can properly attach ofc

[pliant yarrow]

I think you got help with this, but a good way to avoid this in the future is to use your Blender file as your FBX instead of a seperate fbx file. You can also sometimes fix it by resetting its humanoid rig.

[magic slate]

don't just drop your .blend into Unity, you get very little control over how that gets imported

especially if you have lots of parts in it

[pliant yarrow]

Explain as I have veen doing this for years with zero issues.

[magic slate]

I'm glad it works for you.

Are your avatars Very Poor?

[pliant yarrow]

Nope

[magic slate]

very nice

[pliant yarrow]

I do a lot of my optimizing in blender before it gets to unity. I sometimes spend a few weeks in Blender before ever touching unity. You might be right if your doing the bulk of optimization in unity. Im not sure. Its been a few years since ive used fbxs.

[magic slate]

I do most of mine in Blender but I export specific variants, my avatar projects have a lot of parts and options.

[pliant yarrow]

Oooooo whats your workflow?

[magic slate]

my FBX files are merged down to (usually) just two meshes and a stripped down armature with only the needed bones.

[pliant yarrow]

You can do that during fbx export?

[magic slate]

you can do whatever you want before export

[pliant yarrow]

Okay okay.

I usually make all my edits in the blend file. I find it makes it much easier to change things down the line or add to existing models without overriding, because I found it makes the skinny glitch way more common.

When trying to update a fbx.

[magic slate]

I've never had the skinny glitch - I saved an operator preset for exporting so it's the same settings every time

but yeah, I do all my edits in Blender

[pliant yarrow]

Rad

I made a deathclaw with a bunch of different mesh and skin options while still staying medium on quest. It was... a journey to say the least lol.

[magic slate]

oh cool

[pliant yarrow]

What kind of avatars have you worked on? I love seeing others work.

[magic slate]

oh, missed this. nothing public.

[white herald]

I made a few public avatars and have more on the way. They were made with Quest-compatible options first and then I just upload the same avatar on the PC side.

I plan to make the mini-pekka as customizable as the protogen.

[meager hamlet]

is the limit for quest avis 40MB now??

[magic slate]

uncompressed, yes

[meager hamlet]

why….?

[magic slate]

what?

[meager hamlet]

just like, what was the point of it

wasnt it 50MB before?

[magic slate]

I have no idea what it might have been

[meager hamlet]

ah alr no worries then

[weak basin]

There used to be no uncompressed size limit, bit they added it a long time ago

[pliant yarrow]

Quest 2.

It was at first 50mb, but they changed it to 40mb like a year or 2 ago.

[meager hamlet]

so it was 50 mb and well over even when quest 2 was out

or do you mean their lowering it to cater to the fact quest 2 is getting old

[pliant yarrow]

Yes.

I mean just today they further optimized their systems to give like 200mb of head room to the quest 2.

Its very irritating honestly, I fully understand that its necessary but like, they could probably put sound fx on quest if they were optimizing for the quest 3, even the quest 3s

But quest 2 is literally the most used vrheadset of all time.

[weak basin]

when was it 50mb? I just remember there not being an uncompressed size, and then 1 update they added a limit to the uncompressed size at 40mb.

[flint forge]

Yeah, I heard of a test avatar before the uncompressed limit that really ran with the 10MB file limit to make it something 104MB uncompressed.

[calm wyvern]

Hey does anyone know how to fix a foxipaws avi I'm trouble some with bones are not popping up for the quest verison

[magic slate]

that's really not enough info to go on

[calm wyvern]

Ok so I'm not the best at this but where there is green that green is supposed to be on the brown one and it's not

[magic slate]

are those physbone colliders?

[calm wyvern]

Yes but the problem is that it's missing that one bone in the spine the green one and that is supposed to make the chest work and move if that makes sense i'm sorry not the best at unity I'm suffering

[magic slate]

what did you do to cause the missing bone?

[weak basin]

Is it missing the actual bone in the armature or missing the physbone component?

[meager hamlet]

why doesnt alpha blended shader work anymore even though its still in the mobile section?

[weak basin]

It's for worlds, but they just leave it in there for the avatar SDK as well because it's the same shader files for both worlds and avatar SDK. Alpha blend doesn't work for quest avatars though, it's not allowed to upload. Try using additive or multiply

[meager hamlet]

i see

[vapid roost]

gyat

[solid dock]

crazy

[autumn imp]

could someone help me with applying gogoloco on an avatar? it shows on unity but won't show in game..

[jaunty gale]

You ever wanted an avi so bad your willing to

[reef prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-look-awkward-stare-anxious-gif-4997408

[burnt mural]

You can use vrcfury and the drag in the avatar you want it on and click the button for using vrcfury to add it

[mossy briar]

Does anyone know if the vrchat quest toon standard outline works on quest yet?

[magic slate]

I thought that always did?

[steady idol]

the outline was specifically not added to quest

[magic slate]

ahhh

[mossy briar]

that sucks, they should.

[steady idol]

its very not performant

its basically doubling the mesh

[mossy briar]

everyone does that anyway.

[steady idol]

and?

[mossy briar]

Just saying it'd be easier than going to blender, making a copy of said model, inverting the normals, overlaying it over the original model, merging meshes.

[brisk ibex]

it’s really a trade off, doing it in blender means you’ll be able to make it look better much easier, and actually control everything about the outline, even if it takes a little more effort

I do wonder if there is an alternative to get fully connected outlines though

[flint forge]

Which is accounted by the performance ranks, the shader wouldn't.

[weak basin]

There's a free unity tool for making quest outlines. https://booth.pm/en/items/5991591

It's in Japanese but you can just remember what each thing says. It's a very simple tool

[mossy briar]

Another Question, is there some sort of cartoon metal sheen matcap?

[slim trout]

does anyone know where i can find a enterprise azur lane avatar for the quest?

[steady idol]

define cartoon metal sheen
cause there are several different types you can find on google images

poiyomi comes with some matcaps in the package

[mossy briar]

Like.. Think of a sheen of light in "\" like light gleaming across a polished metal.

[steady idol]

that still doesnt narrow it down

[mossy briar]

I can't properly describe it's like over the top sheen that's slanted with white lines

[steady idol]

cause like

anything with a matcap will look shiny and reflective

[mossy briar]

like the knife on this character someone pieced together.

[white herald]

There is an effect that works like that but, sadly, its not a Quest shader

[white herald]

this will sort of work but not on every angle.

[mossy briar]

thx

[white herald]

on toon Standard Set this to additive

[copper drum]

what do i do??

[magic slate]

unfortunately, nothing there is very helpful

[weak basin]

Check the validations, they are in the SDK window under alerts. That will tell you what is preventing upload

[thick prism]

Does Anybody Have Cherribun/GhostBunBun's New Avatars? Like The New Sonic Heroes Avi's

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[sweet drift]

Got kicked out the avatar discord bought 2 avatars wanted my ticket open and they kicked me as a paying customer

So need new buyer

[arctic slate]

if you're looking for models you can look on sites like Jinxxy,Payhip,Gumroad,Booth or make a post in #1138520828556890214 with descriptors and example images images (if you're looking for a specific type/style)

[severe ingot]

wondering if someone could help me with my avatar, i prefer to vc so its easier

[sweet drift]

Payhip discord kicked me for not wanting my ticket closed also the helper was rude to me I wished her a bless day for ll the night things she did for me and was so rude to me I bought 2 avatars but I kept the avatar very well made

[bitter shale]

Does anyone know how to fix this?

I can't upload avatars anymore. Any project I open even if it's a different model, it does this!

The vrcsdk just doesn't let me upload onto vrchat platform and only online

😭 I've also seen other people recently have this issue too. I just started going back to unity.

Someone pls help

[weak basin]

This error doesn't prevent upload. Something else is wrong.

[magic slate]

Unless this is your first time uploading this avatar and there's a blueprint ID, that's most likely a side-effect error, post the first 2-3 errors from the console. See the first pinned message in #avatar-help for help on how to show us what's needed.

[magic slate]

3rd error, missing script. By the name I'm guessing you didn't install either VRCFury or GogoLoco.

[bitter shale]

Ah, I removed vrcfury to see if that was it, my bad let me add it

[bitter shale]

I don't know why I can't upload to my vrchat account

[magic slate]

make sure you don't have a blueprint ID in the Pipeline Manager component on the avatar root.

[bitter shale]

I don't thats the weird thing

[magic slate]

Ok then it's a side-effect error and not the actual root cause. I don't see what else it is from just this.

I'm not sure what you are showing me here?

I mean, there IS a message there that tells you what you should do - go do that first?

[bitter shale]

Uh, I'm not sure what to do for that

[magic slate]

... put a name and thumbnail?

[bitter shale]

OH I'm embarrassed

Im so sorryy

Thank you so much :,) Ive never used this verison of unity since recently

[deep cliff]

Can anyone upload an avatar for me? I'm not quite sure how to make it quest compatiable

[white herald]

You need these to upload

[rich maple]

I need friends 🥲

[wanton ravine]

what worked for me is just goofing around in publics

[magic slate]

perhaps you want to do that in #vrchat-general-1 - see the topic here.

[wanton ravine]

yeah this is avatar channel

[valid rune]

By chance is there Anyone that can help me with a seat? I put a seat on my avatar but no matter who sits on it, they sit a foot above the box and I cannot figure out how to adjust this, I've watched a ton of videos and Chat GPT'd like crazy lol

[magic slate]

are you running the beta client?

[valid rune]

Not sure what that is. I'm on quest

[magic slate]

ok then it's not the issue.

also, seats are janky.

[valid rune]

So I jsut got it to work somehow and I don't know how, but now when he moves, the person on his lap moves too but he like drags behind him, is there a way to do that?

[unique cedar]

Can someone tell me, which toon shader I need to use so quests people also can see my avatar?

[magic slate]

probably you need to reduce that size first. But the valid mobile shader list is here:
https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/quest-content-limitations/#shaders

[full kelp]

can somebody please make a good Cloverfield avatar for vrchat please

[gilded chasm]

Is Vrchat crashing for anyone

[south hedge]

Yhh

[signal idol]

Hi

[pallid cedar]

yoo can someone dm me to make me a custom avatar please! ❤️ in need

[steady idol]

this isnt a commission server all you are going to get are scammers

[pallid cedar]

oohh alr thx

[stoic iris]

Im so good at this avatar thing

[thorn gust]

can someone make a mobile-friendly version of the cursed pikmin graelyth made

[left void]

Search at #1138520828556890214

[tardy kiln]

the default vrhcat toon shader should be fine~ you can also try reducing the size of your textures, etc

[uneven raptor]

I recently bought the Mayu and was following the tutorial step by step, but when I go in to play test mode, I keep getting this error. I'm pretty new to unity and stuff, I've only ever made minor edits to avatars before

[magic slate]

this is a problem with how GogoLoco was installed in the project, perhaps you didn't import the package for it.

[uneven raptor]

I can try that

[uneven raptor]

Yup, that fixed the problem

Thanks 👍

[magic slate]

oh very nice

[mighty stratus]

I love how it says I can't use the Alpha Blended in Quest avatars but it also says I can only use shaders under VRChat/Mobile when the Alpha Blended shader is under VRChat/Mobile/Particles/Alpha Blended.

[tardy kiln]

exactly! that's my fave too! 😂 make it make senseeeee

[magic slate]

The website docs have more detail, but you can't use any shaders that do alpha blending, no matter where they're located. And some of them are world shaders, rather than avatar.

But yes, that message is pretty stupid

[flint forge]

It is there to be an optimized mobile world shader, it and lightmapped, neither of which can be used on avatars.
And for whatever reason they seemingly can't make that clearer, they really should just hard code in a specific error message when either of them are used on avatars at this point.

[magic slate]

yeah - moving them around would probably confuse things, so just fixing the error message would be great

[flint forge]

With how generally easy it is to edit a shaders location without messing with anything it just seems like there has to be another reason why they haven't been moved, not sure what it could be though.

[mighty stratus]

Wouldn't it make more sense to split the shaders in a Worlds and Avatars category in VRChat/Mobile so that it's not confusing for new avatar creators?

[scarlet oxide]

Honestly yeah, that would probably make things way clearer for newer creators. A lot of people don’t realize some shaders work only for worlds while others are optimized for avatars/mobile, so separating them into categories could reduce confusion and help people avoid performance issues early on.

[flint forge]

Since they haven't we are left to assume that it isn't that trivial for whatever reason.

[flint forge]

All it does is cause confusion really, not performance issues.
All the mobile shaders do work on Quest worlds after all and some of the ones generally used on avatars work quite nicely on worlds as well.

[weak basin]

Well the world ones don't work for avatars so... It causes confusion

[scarlet oxide]

Yeah that’s fair honestly.
It’s more of an organization/clarity issue than a technical one. A lot of the mobile shaders are perfectly fine in Quest worlds, and some avatar shaders can work great in worlds too. Splitting them would mainly just make the menu less overwhelming for newer creators trying to figure out what’s intended for what.

[odd laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-pregnant-gif-26528786

Help me

[bold sigil]

Oh my lol

[vagrant burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-gif-27628801

[magic slate]

you can stop spamming the channel now

[pearl cloud]

if it lets me upload an avatar to quest with decent amount of physbones, does it necessarily mean it works in game?

[flint forge]

No, the SDK should stop you before you go over, but if you manage to go over the limit then all physbones are stripped, meaning the avatar will upload but it won't have any physbones.

[weak basin]

You can check in the validations, the stuff in the tab under the name and stuff, and it will tell you how many physbone components, transforms, and collision checks you have. The hard limit is 8 components, 64 transforms, and 64 collision checks.

[weak basin]

the sdk used to prevent upload when the physbones went over the limit, it doesn't anymore. Its annoying to accidentally forget some physbones but working this way allows tools like VRCQuestTools to function without breaking the sdk tos and overriding the upload limits. Because the tool works by changing everything on upload, so before upload, the avatar does not meet the requirements for quest, but the finished product will. So when the sdk was preventing upload, the tool had to do some shady things to bypass the restriction so that it could start the upload process, and then make the avatar follow the limits.

[fast flicker]

Can somebody recommend some cute eboy avatars for me please?

Because I'm struggling to find one that's not covered in tattoos and built like thragg

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[fast sundial]

is it possible to use facial stickers for animating the face? trying to use this psuedo optimized model as a test for making my own uploaded model

Model in question: kyomin

[magic slate]

ooh Kyomin is pretty neat

[fast sundial]

problem I'm facing is the face stickers

everything else is whatever, but converting the poiyomi shaders to mobile makes the stickers not work right

[magic slate]

I have that model somewhere, just never got around to looking at how it's setup

[fast sundial]

if you are able to, can you help me figure out how to make it better compatible?

this is what I have so far (I did a few changes to make it more my own like adding a skirt and making the coat double sided and removing the arm bands completely)

I've temporarily made the face decals into a material

similar logic to the glowing parts

I got rid of the splashing water particle system because that is one particle system too many

[magic slate]

yeah I don't really have any advice as I've not really looked at the model yet

[fast sundial]

also how the original mat should work in poiyomi

[weak basin]

so I would use vrchat > mobile > particles > multiply to get the black bits. I assume the stickers are cutout right? So take all the textures used in the decals and combine them in an image editor so that the stickers are black and the see-through part is white. then use that combined texture for the multiply material.

[fast sundial]

The thing is with these stickers is it is aninated for face tracking

[weak basin]

like the tiling/offset? or how are they animated?

[fast sundial]

Yes like that

[weak basin]

ok. You will have to find the animations that controll the tiling/offset, and copy them and change them to control the tiling and offset of the new material.

if the multiple layers are having different values, you might need to create seperate layers in blender so they can be animated speratly.

My unity project is opening for the first time - installing all the things - so I can get back to you after I poke around and investigate. Do the stickers come with the free base model?

[fast sundial]

Yes it's part of the model

It may look slightly different than mine as I've edited the base texture appearance

[weak basin]

installing poiyomi in the project, its going to be a couple of years

[fast sundial]

Along with several minor adjustments to clothing

[weak basin]

as long as the facetracking and stickers bit is the same thats ok

I just need to see how it works, and see what all would need to be done to get it functional on quest

if the textures are decals specifically so that they can be tiled/offset in different directions, then we might need to go to blender, and duplicate the mesh layer the stickers are on for each separately animated decal. If the animations snap rather than flow then maybe we could create a material for each animation state, which would be complicated and alot but maybe

[fast sundial]

Worst case I'll jump into Blender and manually add mouth tracking parameters since there is mouth inside too

[weak basin]

so it seems to be the alpha map that is animated that changes the eyes for the facial expressions right?

[weak basin]

you said face tracking, did you mean just facial expressions?

I dont see any FT version of the model in here

[fast sundial]

It has a mouth inside

So in theory I can cut a hole in the mesh and make the basic mouth tracking

I didn't see any mouth shapekeys other than jaw open on the body itself

[weak basin]

oooh I see what these bastards did now.

they used alpha cutout to just render holes in the mesh to make the mouth move and stuff

this makes things complicated

[fast sundial]

Is that why it works like that?

[magic slate]

this still the Kyomin? I kinda thought it worked via lots of shader trickery

[weak basin]

so there is no 'mouth' opening in the mesh I don't think, it just makes the mesh have transparency for the mouth hole to open and close

oooo these guys

I dont like this

[fast sundial]

That explains why I'm so confused how the eyes work

[weak basin]

yeah the eyes are the same way

there isn't even eye holes either

[fast sundial]

So I need to add eye holes and mouth holes is what I'm hearing

And do manual shape keys in Blender

[weak basin]

jail time for this one. jail for 100 years.

yes, we likely need blendshapes

unless

hmm

no wait

I have an idea

still need blender

but instead of cutting holes, we will assign a new material slot. One for the mouth, one for the eyes

and leave the uv alone

and then all the animations need to be converted, but then those sections can be additive (vrchat > Mobile > Particles > Additive).

and then its just chaning the tile/offset of the texture.

actually, the eyes and mouth might be able to be the same mat

because its one alpha map for the both, so its probably all linked up

[fast sundial]

I'm a bit worried about the use of materials rn because 1 for flame, 1 for water, 1 for base, 1 for clothes, 1 for the reflective glowing parts

That's already 5

And adding one more just for the face makes me a bit worried since 4 is recommended cap

[magic slate]

how many of those are on most of the time?

[weak basin]

for quest, its alright to have like, 10. Its not like they are all enabled all the time.

dont worry we are cooking

[fast sundial]

I still like to have it somewhat optimized if possible

[weak basin]

if its on quest, you've optomised. Congragulations. The performance ranks for quest are ridiculous. a 32,000 poly excelent PC avi is Very Poor on quest. its just not worth it to care about the ranking on quest. But Very Poor still performs well on quest, considering quest users will have 3-5 avatars enabled at a time regardless of performance rank to keep the game running.

this avatar is very optomized, even if we add some mat slots and maybe another skinned mesh render

ok so heres the face on quest (clothing not converted)

it has a third skinned mesh, for the eyes and mouth

this mesh has 2 material slots, one is additive to control the cutout, the other is multiply to add the lines

I converted the animations as well, it was pretty easy

@fast sundial quest facials

[fast sundial]

Ehhhhh how did you figure it out so quickly?

[magic slate]

experience

[weak basin]

the animations, I just made the facials offset and tiling the same as the alpha mask offset and tiling in each animation. Then the issue was the additive shader is a bit emissive, so I made the base body emissive.

[fast sundial]

For this did you need to do anything in Blender?

[weak basin]

yes

first, I seperated the parts of the mesh that include the eyes and mouth. Then, I also did a body outline just now but I kept it one skinned mesh for optimization. also one material, just edited the UV

[weak basin]

facials

body (outline merged)

one material

I just took the UV for the outline, and made it really small on a black part of the body texture, so it would be able to use the same material slot and be the same mesh

[weak basin]

I have a patch for you, if I may DM (it would have the modified fbx, the prefab for unity setup, quest materials, modified animations - which work on both the PC and Quest version, and additional textures that I edited to make it all work.)

you would just need to make your edits to it like you've done to the PC model.

as for the markings, the emission kind of covers any detail or color change layers on the Toon Standard material, you might need an overlay mesh for the markings (they are very simple, so it shouldn't be too many polys to do that, you could just bake the marking configuration you would use most often into the base texture though)

[weary shoal]

Goals :

• Zero means dynamic bones aren't supported.

[rocky matrix]

Will there be a new avatar ranking system specifically for quest?

[fluid kiln]

yes

numbers will be adjusted for quest. don't have that finalized yet as we haven't really done the same research on perf impact just yet-- its harder when you can't run Unity Editor and look at frame timings on the target hardware easily 😛

[rocky matrix]

I know that I can make every single one of those recommendations except for 1, as my avatar needs some extra bones for an eye tracking trick

But it would just be a couple more bones, so I'm not sure how bad it actually is.

[weary shoal]

Just take some bones out of the spine or blend a pinkie

Who needs 5 fingers?

[rocky matrix]

I can see if I can remove some. I already have an "excellent" version of my avatar with removed dynamic bones, but its not under 70

[jaunty tartan]

You can connect unity profiler to Quest hardware https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/latest/concepts/unity-perf/

[weary shoal]

(Actually VRChat might require a pinkie, I don't remember)

[rocky matrix]

Do end bones count on the bone count? Maybe I can delete HeadTop

[pastel storm]

My Solidus model will be able to run in quest version yay

[fluid kiln]

The bone count is a recommendation. If you need a couple more for stuff like that you should be fine

and by "a couple more" i mean literally like 2-4 more, not 500+ bones because you're too lazy to merge your giant skirt into the hips

[iron tendon]

there's no limit with animations right? facial expression gestures shouldn't be any different?

[rocky matrix]

I do an eye tracking trick to get 2D eye tracking where I use a bone before the actual eye bone to squish a pupil to a flat plane

I also use fake eye bones LeftEye and RightEye to activate the eye tracking

[fluid kiln]

Don't have specific answers for that yet @iron tendon

[pastel storm]

Btw is it only 5000 Poly's and Below Or can you go a little bit higher ?

[fluid kiln]

5000 is our recommendation. You really, really should aim for that number.

[pastel storm]

KK got ya

[fluid kiln]

We'll likely implement a technical, unbypassable limit at some point but it probably wont' be too much higher than 5k

[pastel storm]

So like 7.5k at max?

[fluid kiln]

don't know, like many things, its up in the air.

We gave as much information as possible in the info given in #quest-info

[rocky matrix]

I'm a low poly modeller so this is great, my avatar is 6k, it wont be hard to get that down

[twin pebble]

I few this as an optimization challenge! i will do my best @fluid kiln Salutes

[fluid kiln]

i believe in you young shiba

[true sierra]

Going to be a lovely challenge trying to get a traditionally MMD based avatar down to that, but boy I am going to try. XD

[pastel storm]

Never had a need for optimization since the models I use are like 5 mat's max and 12k poly usually

[fluid kiln]

Oh MMD is going to be exceedingly hard. So much so that I'm probably just going to make a low-poly version of my avatar from scratch.

[unreal holly]

For rigging / bones, keep an eye on vertex influences. If you have a lot of vert influences for PC version, you may experience some glitchy-looking skinning on Quest

[pastel storm]

I use game models

[unkempt kiln]

You'd probably need to just create a new base from scratch

[twin pebble]

I'll try to get my uganda Shiba down to quest levels. It must be the first meme. 😛

[true sierra]

Yeah, I was already moving towards making my own base and honestly, it'd be easier going that route with the Quest, but still a fun challenge to try and get a TDA base down to 5k. It's easily doable. Just a shit ton of re-topo.

[twin pebble]

question about quest though, are avatars still using the visemes?

[unreal holly]

@twin pebble I think someone already made a 1 triangle mesh to prepare for Quest :p

[rocky matrix]

I believe the lipsync tech being used works on mobile

[true sierra]

We've neem memeing for a while what PC avatars would look like on the quest. XD

[north ivy]

Yes it does Chris

[toxic oyster]

in terms of current avatar ranking at what rank will avatar no longer be ok for Quest ?

[fluid kiln]

Technically speaking our "Excellent" rank on VRC PC is already way beyond the recommended numbers for Quest.

I would ignore the PC ranks for Quest content and instead look at the information we've provided for polygon count, materials, draw calls, etc.

[warm tusk]

are performance ratings likely to still be a thing on quest?

[fluid kiln]

Yes, but the numbers haven't been nailed down yet

[twin pebble]

looking through unity documentation. what is the best way to check for draw calls?

[pale stream]

Game view is a good start

[unreal holly]

@twin pebble check the Render Stats window .... Basically aim a scene camera at your avatar (make sure to have it fully in view) and expand the stats window

[pale stream]

But i think that at least one draw call is from the actual scene

[unreal holly]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/RenderingStatistics.html

[hushed wedge]

You can get the profiler in there as well

But you'll have to profile with and without your avatar enabled for best results

[rocky matrix]

if i upload a completely different avatar for quest, what will show? will the bones break?

[fluid kiln]

should be fine

unless its super duper weird/different. Dunno. experiment 😄

[waxen torrent]

Can I request the ability for avatars to have a finger pen or way to write (snail style pen), on a toggle of course. For quest users, this might be the first time they have ever written or seen people writing/drawing in vr.

[hushed wedge]

That's probably a good thing for the game in general

A drawing board that you can enable and have others see, with synced contents

[rocky matrix]

are animators going to work? a good replacement for dynamic bones for avatars with long tails might be to animate a tail swish for example.

[hushed wedge]

The snail marker solution is hard to set up and is quite inconsistent

@rocky matrix they recommend only having the default humanoid bones because every bone adds a bit more work for the mesh skinning process.

[rocky matrix]

tupper also said a couple more would be fine, 2 tail bones to make a squish would be worth it instead of a tail thats still the whole time

[mint osprey]

I don’t think some additional bones need a lot of calculation. It is nice to have a couple of additional bones for tails or something else.

[rocky matrix]

i personally need 4 extra bones for my 2D eye tracking hack

[twin pebble]

wait... hold up. So if I make an avatar that has two versions and each works with quest and PC. The PC people will see the PC version of the avatar and the Quest people will see the quest version of the avatar? This is basically a LOD style for avatars?!

[delicate basalt]

wait really?

[twin pebble]

idk im asking

[mint osprey]

I think so

[twin pebble]

ok, that makes sense in the doc where it basically said the quest says "imma quest, send me the quest version" server go "ah here ya go!"

[hushed wedge]

Yeah that's how it works

What I'm wondering is if I should enable GPU skinning or not, it says it's only supported in VR builds and is experimental

[twin pebble]

🤔

this could open up a new market.

👉 😎 👉 "hello there fine fellow!! i see you have a custom avatar! but i've noticed it's not optimized for quest! with a small fee i can optimize your avatar for the quest! wadda say?!"

[mint osprey]

I think it is super hard to optimize 50,000 more tries avatar to mobile.

[twin pebble]

not if you re-topologize

[waxen torrent]

Gpu skinning is a project setting and has no effect on the upload. Vrchat has to tweak that on their end and I'm sure they have optimized settings

[twin pebble]

and get creative

[hushed wedge]

Oh, I'm getting this issue when trying to upload an avatar.

I switched my target platform to Android

It keeps doing this every time I try.

[waxen torrent]

You might have shaders or other assets not compatible with android

Check console panel for red errors

[hushed wedge]

It's using Mobile/Diffuse

[waxen torrent]

Most shaders designed for vrchat are not compatible (often they even deliberately specify they are not)

[hushed wedge]

I do get errors like "Not supported on android platform"

But it doesn't say which file.

Only points to an error in the generated vrca.

[waxen torrent]

Then something is not supported. Also check the default materials on the fbx

If you are overriding the materials I heard it may still reference the original from the fbx / prefab

Never could figure out how to validate if that was real

[hushed wedge]

The default material on the FBX is also set to use Mobile/Diffuse

ApiFile file_800e3c32-11ab-40d1-b6b6-fec2a7748cd3: Error: Failed to optimize file for upload.
Not supported on ANDROID platform.
UnityEngine.Debug:LogError(Object)
VRC.Core.ApiFileHelper:Error(OnFileOpError, ApiFile, String, String) (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Scripts/ApiFileHelper.cs:1424)
VRC.Core.<UploadFile>c__AnonStoreyA:<>m__5(String) (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Scripts/ApiFileHelper.cs:326)
VRC.Core.<CreateOptimizedFileInternal>c__Iterator1:MoveNext() (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Scripts/ApiFileHelper.cs:1205)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine:InvokeMoveNext(IEnumerator, IntPtr)

That's all it'll give me

[vapid girder]

using latest beta SDK i take it?

[pastel storm]

wild guess is the apifilehelper trying to load a file android doesn't like

[hushed wedge]

I removed the FBX and reimported it and for some reason that seemed to do the trick.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel storm]

ayyy

[rocky matrix]

is there a mobile toon shader?

[vapid girder]

I think I might just have 2 projects 1 for Android and one for PC. The switching doesn't sound that perfect hmm

[hushed wedge]

Well there's Mobile/Unlit but I don't think a built-in toony shader exists yet

[vapid girder]

They said they are gonna look into having one installed. As Quest is limited to build in

gonna use Unlit and just paint the shading in for now

[rocky matrix]

i personally don't like the toon shader but i know a lot do, might be worth it for vrchat to make a mobile one and support it

[mint osprey]

You can’t use custom shader, so you have to stick with unlit or diffuse...

[rocky matrix]

i personally use standard for everything

[pastel storm]

you can make a cheap toon shader with a custom cubemap and reflective family unity shaders

[mint osprey]

I made Reflex Shader which is common on Booth avatars, but it won’t be supported on Quest. I can make a light weight one if they whitelist it.

[pastel storm]

with a matcap like this https://blog.felixkate.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/MatCapMap-150x150.png

[hushed wedge]

It's weird, you would think that Unity would have some sort of very simple flat lit/toony shader built in

Even if it's just an otherwise unlit shader that tints itself to the ambient light intensity

[mint osprey]

That would be nice to have on Quest.

[fluid kiln]

@twin pebble that is an exceedingly interesting idea re: "nice avatar, lemme optimize it up for ya"

[rocky matrix]

it would be cool to see a blender thing that can spit out a version of the avatar thatll work for quest, even if its terrible

like something in cats to just automatically decimate and atlas

[shrewd fog]

A tool that decimates only vertices not contained in a shape key would be neat

[fluid kiln]

Cats actually already does that to a degree

[vapid girder]

The documentation mentions nothing about gesture overrides etc either. I assume that will be revealed more down the line too?

[pulsar tundra]

Cats can do that.

[vapid girder]

I'm concerned in regards to a quest user triggering gestures they can't see for PC users. Like those annoying Zoom shaders and other kinds of effects but having no idea they are doing it.

[pulsar tundra]

However strictly decimating a 20k polygon avatar to 5k results in utter terror

[jagged sequoia]

yes you got to do proper proper retopology

[pulsar tundra]

One automatic decimation later, nice. Don't do this.

[jagged sequoia]

like see where you can remove edge Loops before resorting to that

[waxen torrent]

is there a good plugin to quickly remove edge loops

[jagged sequoia]

no that's not something you can automate

[waxen torrent]

at least a way to remove them faster than selecting one by one

[pulsar tundra]

I'm afraid making your 50k polygon avatar work as a 5k polygon avatar is gonna require a lot of work yourself, such avatars usually can't be helped with automated tools.

[waxen torrent]

if you're ok losing skinning and visemes, I was able to make something decent in a short time with automated tools.

[jagged sequoia]

those are kind of deal breakers

[pulsar tundra]

I got that too, but I'm not very OK with that.

You can make something decent if you put some handwork yourself in, but there's a limit

[waxen torrent]

you can re add simple visemes with a single blend shape, and for skinning break it apart and have it be rigid but arms attached to arm bones etc

but taking such a poorly done and heavily decimated mesh through mixamo or rigging it is going to make things completely fail so it would need to be rigid

I might still prefer that over starting with a different low model that I don't like.

[jagged sequoia]

what does your avatar normally look like

[pulsar tundra]

Who's avatar?

[jagged sequoia]

Lyuma

kind of curious to see how tricky it would be

[pulsar tundra]

I do hope they bump it up at least a little from 5k
Maybe 7.5K

[jagged sequoia]

what difference is that 2K going to make

[waxen torrent]

oh I use your standard mmd models, decimated either to 30k or 20k verts

take any TDA model and see if you can get it down

[pulsar tundra]

It would give a little more play space for some things.

I'm currently optimizing my avatar, this is what it looks like normally:

[waxen torrent]

and 9k would give even more. I have an avatar I decimated down to 10k because I wanted to allow for a model swap back in the 20k era and didn't know hidden models do not count at the time

[jagged sequoia]

mine shouldn't be too hard to work with as it's a darn hyena Avatar

[pulsar tundra]

I'm dropping the shaders and going with textures and see what I can do.

[waxen torrent]

flat lit toon type shaders allow you to get away with more than a standard shader

because you can't see the polygons anyway

[jagged sequoia]

basically only concerned with the silhouette flat lit

[waxen torrent]

(ability to do extra decimation is a good performance related argument to allow us to use toon shaders on quest.)

[jagged sequoia]

I'd probably give it a try later using Unity Chan

[blazing meteor]

Just to confirm, Do/will we need a oculus go to to merely upload android builds of of our existing content?

[jagged sequoia]

heavily recommended

[blazing meteor]

I don’t mind making content for the platform but am not interested in owning it

[pulsar tundra]

I'm not buying a Go nor a Quest, but I'm interested in making at least my own avatar Quest compatible

I do hope they're making some way we can do that without owning a Quest

[jagged sequoia]

kinda hard to test performance when you don't have something to test on

[blazing meteor]

I can just make avatars within the spec.

[jagged sequoia]

I suppose we can poke around to see if anybody is willing to be our guinea pigs

[blazing meteor]

Test on Rift

5k tris is 5k tris

Can’t really get that wrong

[jagged sequoia]

FairPoint

[waxen torrent]

I don't recommend buying a go for the few months span we have to use it only for it to go obsolete and need a quest anyway

[jagged sequoia]

I'm guessing the go more just if you had it laying around

[waxen torrent]

Yes I think If you have a friend with a go or have one yourself

But otherwise it's not a good use of money: probably would be cheaper to commission someone who has it than to spend the cash for basically a one time deal anyway

[blazing meteor]

I can understand wanting to test for worlds but but as long as you have any vr I’m sure you can reliably make Quest avatars without quest just stay within spec and test in any pc headset

As long as you understand the limits

[waxen torrent]

Well kind of but this is the only supported android vrchat platform you can buy. Shaders might work differently on android

[blazing meteor]

And understand you are not loading the android build

I mean I already make of avatars that I’ve never worn myself I just have the process down lol

[pulsar tundra]

I'm done trying for the day, I've had some half-decent results but I'm gonna need to learn some more to get a proper 5k model working.

[jagged sequoia]

so what's the triangle count on that attempt

and mind if I see a wireframe

[pulsar tundra]

Sorry, I've already closed it. It was just a test.

It was about 5k, a few hundred under it.

Most detail preserved in the face and hands, least detail preserved in the body. Medium detail preserved in hair.
It wasn't great, but it was a start.

[jagged sequoia]

that's a decent first attempt

I would suggest you look into low-poly facial and hand topology as those are the areas that are going to require the most work n and rigging good

[pulsar tundra]

Yeah that's for sure.

I'm gonna need to do some more homework, I haven't got the skill to make it proper right now.

Face has a ridiculous amount of polygons, I think the face alone already count for 5k

[jagged sequoia]

definitely do research into low poly head topology

[dry zealot]

5k triangle. even mobile game with humanoid avatar hardly have that. Its more around 10k and less

[delicate cipher]

so how are we gonna handle the clippings of the model when reducing the poly count to 5K or less for our avatars?

i tried decimating my VRChat avatar to a little less than 5k on blender, but i have some clippings for the model

[dry zealot]

since it 5k and less we need to use double side shader then

[foggy quail]

Or you just retopo properly instead of decimating so you can focus your polys where you need them.

Or create bespoke avatars

[dry zealot]

so this a a 5k model with his original 7k https://gyazo.com/b2526fa614f33afe88241bed8286e0c2

what your avatar with 5 k look like. for me i needed to delete accessories and double mesh

https://gyazo.com/c3d19aa47ea9277c6e982157c9fe9137

[fleet hollow]

is it tris or polys?

[dry zealot]

tris

https://gyazo.com/e7af3b34549a4a4cf30e093cd2ecc2eb

like i said most of the model in mobile game a more around the 6k-9k tris.

[delicate cipher]

so are shape keys safe for Quest optimized avatars? or do i have to remove some of these for my avatar? (or in this case, delete all of them)

[waxen torrent]

That's a really good question: shape keys actually contain a lot of data potentially and many avatars like from mmd have tons of unused extra shapes Shape keys are not processed unless they are set I think, but they probably do consume memory

[dry zealot]

So the easiest way would be every one in swim suit and short hair https://gyazo.com/f6a25706ca86b1e38fcbf379a913f1a3

[delicate cipher]

oof. my hair is probably becoming more square now!

[fluid kiln]

good luck, its going to be a massive challenge getting pretty much any MMD down to reasonable levels 😃

[dry zealot]

I think 10k would be more reasonable. 5k is pretty low

[waxen torrent]

Do we have access to the usual fallback shaders for toon style avatars like Toon/Lit?

It doesn't have to be the same toon shader as desktop, just a simple toon shader designed for mobile.

[limpid furnace]

perfect avatar for quest is ready https://i.imgur.com/z6PAPiW.png

[long talon]

this should be the new default

[delicate cipher]

and it looks like i might get square-ish, but sharp claws for a human. i'll find a little work around.

[long talon]

potato fries fingers? kinda like Eyerok in SM64

[delicate cipher]

pretty much

[steel light]

@dry zealot cant argue with what the quest wont run

[delicate cipher]

looks like optimizing my MMD avatar for Quest with good results is really hard

[ancient tundra]

kingdom heart base model would do better on oculus quest

less ploygon

[dry zealot]

i see

[ancient tundra]

body 3k

[pastel storm]

Do both the Quest and Windows models have to be the same scale/use the same armature, or is it okay if they’re drastically different?

[warm tusk]

I imagine it'd look the same as when we used to get avatar ID collisions if the armature is way off

[eternal moth]

so do I just switch to android, then upload and done?

[dry zealot]

here you go 5k poly in all its glory https://gyazo.com/115cfe9f7a7341868e5841abe52305a8

[long talon]

it's like VRChat on the N64!

[dry zealot]

like this https://gyazo.com/6bd692d1c84940cf9aa4b55f5e5e5129 ?

[true sierra]

Nice @dry zealot !!!

[dry zealot]

made those kind of model back when the bowsette meme was the thing https://gyazo.com/2a0a6f558f98385080a2920ab1ee4a34

5k is not that hard if you dont have to much going on. on your model

https://gyazo.com/9e9b01595b8833bd73f6f3cfa9b80676

[fleet hollow]

however 5k is very difficult for people who don't understand retopology, and many people just put together anime stuff and call it a day

[dry zealot]

yeah

[delicate cipher]

so any tips on how to optimize MMD avatars while in blender?

i don't think i can do it in Unity

[fleet hollow]

optimizing the mesh? or other aspects

[delicate cipher]

@dry zealot is doing really good in optimizing avatars for VRChat Quest

[sand sparrow]

hi tj

ive seen you on a lot of post

[eternal moth]

yo

[fleet hollow]

your best bet is something like the calfs and the arms to really look at and dissolve unnecessary edges

stuff like fingers too

just understand that you still want to keep some detail at the joints so they bend well

the most difficult part is the face. a lot of the face is very complex

[delicate cipher]

i don't want my hair and face to look all square looking, right?

[fleet hollow]

right but you can still select many loops that are too detailed and dissolve them

the model above is a great example

understanding the placement of these lines (which is commonly called topology) really helps you understand where to and where not to remove edges

mouth and eye movements take some detail to look good, but something like a leg only really bends at the joints

most of your tris are really going to be coming from hands, chest, and head

if you have a hi res version of your mesh, and wouldn't mind re-uving and texturing (which is a bit of a long process), pick up retopoflow and learn how to remake the topology from scratch

and from now on as general rule of thumb: optimize your avatars for quest in such a way that they can be scaled UP to the PC version really easily because it's a pain scaling them down

[blazing meteor]

@delicate cipher To avoid clipping, don't decimate models. Retopologize them

Or manually chose unimportant verts and collapse them. Delete hidden faces. Automatic processes never account for beauty

Often models just will need to be redone from scratch while tracing over the original, consider it a learning experience!

Retopoligizing other people's models is a great way to learn how to model

(just remember the result still isn't your IP)

[waxen torrent]

Any good places to start learning how to retopologize? Is there any tool that helps or is it all manual. I tried something in blender way back but it loses all uvs/texturing

[dry zealot]

I rapidly dissolve some edge on the left chest part and save 50+ tris. the uv move a little but its easy to fix

https://gyazo.com/50e8c815684970d377d3e350144b8873

could be better but. whater it was just a test

[waxen torrent]

Interesting. Dissolving edges works better than dissolving vertices?

[dry zealot]

you have more control i think

but you have after flowing vertex in the air.

[fleet hollow]

Any good places to start learning how to retopologize? Is there any tool that helps or is it all manual. I tried something in blender way back but it loses all uvs/texturing
@waxen torrent check out the github page for "Retopoflow" for a decent blender plugin that helps with that. However, learning topology all comes down to just learning. Use google images (or even look at other models) to understand loop flows! (I often google "head topology" and get tons of results. you can copy that for good results!)

I always start with the head, and work my way down

For arm loops you generally want 8-12 vertices per ring. You can collapse down (or up) to get there; in the images qb is sending you can see a great example of how to use triangles to collapse and add rings

[dry zealot]

just hope we can use double side shader. :/

[fleet hollow]

i hope so too

[vapid girder]

It's there just... grey so maybe.

[jagged sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NAv_q_wfU

[fluid kiln]

@vapid girder Double sided GI is not backface culling

[long talon]

don't all the mobile shaders have backface culling by default?

[round nova]

can someone dm me and explain this whole quest avatar thing going on and what exactly is the difference between quest models and pc models?

[vapid girder]

http://tinyurl.com/VRChat-Quest-Creators

TL;DR: Quest Worlds/Avatars have seperate versions. For both versions to see them you need a version for both.

[round nova]

that sounds really confusing

[jagged sequoia]

basically just provide a lower detail version of the model for the quest

or you get stuck with the Red Man avatar from their perspective

[round nova]

but like its confusing do you need like both active at the same time or

and does quest need to have a higher detail vers for pc

ick its too late at night

[jagged sequoia]

you just need the two versions uploaded to the same ID in the VR chat client pull up the relevant model depending on platform

you could upload the quest version to both of them if you didn't want to make 2 if you're okay with only having 5000 triangles

[long talon]

if you look on the vrchat.net/home site on a world with both versions it actually lists supported platforms, being android and standalonewindows

[round nova]

ok that makes more sense

[dry zealot]

you can still butche the topo wher eits not moving

[jagged sequoia]

so pretty much the chest only and your hair

and maybe the shoes

[vapid girder]

I'm gonna have a lot of fun with this.

[dry zealot]

dont

[vapid girder]

and... why not?

[dry zealot]

nvm . this is what peak of performance look like

[vapid girder]

One version for quest other for PC

same Avatar ID

But on a more serious note.

[neon gazelle]

The quest is just gonna have a bunch of PS1 and 2 characters