avatar-quest

[stray saddle]

How would I find the quest mode blendshape? In unity?

[random comet]

select the mesh with the head and look in the blendshapes, pretty sure it's called "Quest Eyelashes"

[stray saddle]

Dang, I don't see it in the list. Could it be a texture thing?

Bc the alpha of the head is this

[molten ginkgo]

any kind of transparency will not work on quest

your alpha maps will be useless

things like eyelashes and eyebrows will have to be done with mesh, rather than cutout alpha

[stray saddle]

Idc if it has the lashes, at this point I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of them. I went into blender and don't see anything about lashes in the head's meshes

[leaden nebula]

Is there a way to switch between PC to Android that doesn't take forever to import....the wait time is sooo painful

[flint forge]

Not sure of the implications of doing it, but swapping to an empty scene apparently speeds it up, just something I have heard.

[ashen oracle]

the first time will always be slow, but unity caches things pretty well now so future swaps should be quick

[white turret]

I don't know how else to reduce avatar size. All textures are 32 with crunch compression set to low and 100... yet I'm still 2.33 mb away from it being quest compatible...

[elder widget]

does anyone know why this is happening (i converted the avatar to quest and cleared vertex colors, all the shaders does this to the body)

[dusk moon]

is it your avatar?

[silent grove]

Is there any good female avatars for my sister

[topaz zephyr]

very possible it's just the mesh putting you over, you'll probably have to strip the model down in blender or some such. you can see what's using space using thry's avatar performance tools and https://vsk.lox9973.com/abstat/

[white turret]

Thank you!

[white turret]

Just go avatar hunting in public worlds

[clever dagger]

Is there anyone that could explain to me how to sync PC toggles to Quest toggles? Like what exactly should I be looking at?
And if its possible at all if the Quest version is not a carbon Copy of the PC one.
For example for my PC avatar I use UV tile discard to create my clothing toggles, while on Quest I just separated the meshes and hid them as needed, and of course removed some things so the Polygon count isn't too high.

[jagged sequoia]

basically you just make sure the two different animations for the two different platforms are controlled by the same network sync variables so they know to do the same thing at the same time?

[atomic obsidian]

What shader can I use for my eyelash textures? Because normally you use the Standard Shader and then the Cutout option, but I can’t use that on like any of the mobile shaders so does anyone know a shader I can use for my eyelashes??

[molten ginkgo]

you can't do any kind of transparency for quest

[atomic obsidian]

Oh

I wonder how I’ve seen it on some avatars then

[molten ginkgo]

you'll need to cut the eyelashes out in blender, or stamp the texture directly on the face texture

[atomic obsidian]

Strange

Do you mean like make them in blender instead of using a texture??

Bc they are already cut out

[molten ginkgo]

yea, like literally cut the mesh out

using the knife tool

[atomic obsidian]

Aight I can try

[atomic obsidian]

Also I put the texture on directly on it but it just doesn’t work

[magic slate]

use the same avatar parameters list if you can, the order has to match perfectly.

[royal ridge]

Question for quest avatars, I have a particle package but I want the particles to stop playing after colliding with the terrain instead of stopping mid air when the gesture parameter is not met. Is there a way to get that to work on quest? I was told to animate emission rather than the particle source but then it's constantly looping in mirrors. Is there a fix for that?

[uneven token]

I'm looking for some avatar worlds were I can find some good male avatars.
I would like some nswf ones.
But don't have be
I like the ones in Starish avatars.
So looking for more like them

[spare summit]

nsfw avatars are against tos so if i were u i wouldnt use public ones

cause theyre more likely to randomly get deleted n whatnot

[uneven token]

I don't mind using public ones.
Just looking for good worlds to visit

[solemn orchid]

how do I make a Toggle to swap between textures?

[random comet]

A material swap animation

[solemn orchid]

How would I go about doing that?

[random comet]

in the animation tab record yourself changing the material slot of the mesh to a different material with the texture you want

[solemn orchid]

alright, made the animation, how do i turn it into a toggle?

[somber dove]

from what it looks like there is 2 meshes overlapping eachother

[misty kindle]

how can i make a working hue shift for quest? ive seen people do it before but i dont know how

and im not talking about like texture swaps for hue, like a fully functional hue shift for quest

[misty kindle]

bruh

[pastel storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92PusEHSSms
And you can just 'reroll'/upload to get by the 10mb/10mb
If you're using SDK 3.3.0, they changed the math so if you got an avi that's 9.70 then it's always 10mb
Switch from SDK 3.3.0 to 3.2.3, via VCC. If you do not use VCC or can't, delete the two VRChat folders in /Packages then add https://assets.vrchat.com/sdk/VRChat-Avatars-SDK-3.2.3.unitypackage

[silent grove]

Does anyone now any good female avatar for quest (dont have money)

[olive locust]

@unkempt steeple I saw you needed help with an avatar, feel free to dm me

[summer breach]

Hello guys, first I'm korean not good english. sorry
I try to make quest avatar. but 10mb limit
But, when I look at another quest avatars, they are all over 10 mb
Is there a way to make the quest avatar exceed 10mb?

[crude acorn]

the pc version can be above 10MB, usually quest avatars are uploaded the same as the pc version but with a lot of missing stuff and compressed textures

[shy stratus]

Does anyon know any good hijab avatars?

Or just any hijab avatars

I found a lot but only for pc

[nimble prairie]

Ask In #1138520828556890214

[nimble prairie]

Ask in #1138520828556890214

[pastel storm]

hey i doing gogo loco flying this part is not making since I mostly a quest person this is a my personal avatar so no one else will be using it it say remove the constraint it is it the constraint setting?

[pastel storm]

Can some one help make a custom avatar for me, im far to busy to make it myself, (I will be willing to pay for it), please dm me if your interested.

[glass pumice]

@pastel storm

[pastel storm]

Go to VRCTraders in #community-servers-old, or Fiverr. These sites have safeties in place to minimize scams

[wide heart]

The reason you remove the constraints for quest, is that they aren't allowed. On PC the constraint is to allow players to look up and down to then fly up and down, so it's not crucial.

[turbid bobcat]

Yo I'm looking for a good quest joker avatar can any one hook me up i

[fading saffron]

@everyone hey im looking for someone to model an avatar for me its a clone but ill tell more if you contact me

[nimble prairie]

Not the place to ask

[plush narwhal]

does anyone know a way to use the multiply particle shader on quest

i saw an avatar that has done it but idk how they did

[pastel storm]

If it's really old, it could have been allowed to. If it's made in the last 2 years, maybe an old SDK or modified SDK.
If you add multiply shader and it turns out pink/black/white in-game, then there's no way as far as I know

[viscid hornet]

anyone know a way to make quest assets shiny? i have a MF DOOM mask and wanna make the quest version shiny

[wide heart]

Matcap

[viscid hornet]

unity or blender?

[wide heart]

Unity. Look at the matcap shader for VRC mobile shaders

[viscid hornet]

appreciate it :)

[plush narwhal]

when i add the multiply shader, it makes the object/particle not show up, like invisible

[left gate]

so uhhhh im having issues adding a non human character.

this is gerbo from bugbo. and hes not made like a human. i tried making his bones shaped like a human but that wasnt enough. how can i fix this and no i am not re rigging this unless its the only way 😭

wait

is this even the right place

oops

no its not sorry

[vale dock]

Can someone make me a Vrchat avatar for free

[nimble prairie]

No one’s gonna do thar

[hollow cargo]

Make a cube as a avatar

[spare summit]

no. if you want a free avatar then use a public one or make your own.

[ornate hawk]

Any tips on how to reduce MB? my avi for the quest is currently 14,06 MB

[austere lodge]

Reduce the size of textures! Or remove jncececary blendshapes that arent used

Atlasting aswell

[finite flower]

I’m scared of this

[steady idol]

Also make sure the texture is dxt1 or dxt5

[vale dock]

It’s

[steady idol]

you dont ask here for free avatars

a crap ton of scams

secondly

vrchat avatars are going to pretty much always be paid for

[orchid shard]

I'm getting the error "avatar validation failed" whilst trying to upload the avatar for quest. But uploading for PC works flawlessly any help?

[grave onyx]

y isnt the avatar descriptor copying over to the fbx when i use pumpkin tool?

[molten ginkgo]

make sure you're in the Show all tab, and that it's actually checked

[grave onyx]

it is selected 😦

i think i did it? i used a prefab instead of the fbx and it is all packed and everything now

maybe im just dumb and i forgot how to do it lol

[grave onyx]

nvm whatever i did didnt work

im now hit with these errors

[astral vector]

Hello~ is there any way to test the quest version of my avatar..without a quest? I just recently found out that one of my avis have a big flaw in the quest version, because I can only upload it blind

[hollow cargo]

Upload ur quest as a pc?

[steady idol]

even then it would end up looking different in some ways

[hollow cargo]

?why

It would be the same as a quest

[steady idol]

pc and quest handles its own vrchat shaders differently

[hollow cargo]

Even the same shaders?

[steady idol]

yes

for example

one moment you got a cool glowing fire effect using quest shaders on pc

the next moment its just shit brown on quest

[pastel storm]

Well just get VRC on android! Then oooh it costs VRC+. Well it's just a one-time purcha oooh it's no very poor avis. Well...find a Quest user and ask them what it looks like.
If you're shy, skip uploading to Quest and just wait for imposter system

[thorn onyx]

I have a question, why do the mamehinata avatars keep getting deleted? ((Becoming pc only))

[random comet]

avatar isn't allowed to be public, would recommend buying it and using it that way https://booth.pm/ja/items/4340548

[torpid meteor]

Will Android Support change to YES, once I get the avatar more optimized? Asking while waiting on CATS to do it's thing

[random comet]

that field doesn't update frequently, it just represents if it has an android build which you can tell in game anyway if it has quest/android support

[torpid meteor]

Gotcha, so the option to build to Android is greyed out at the moment, I assume that changes with optimizations

Avatar was 'Good' on PC so I'm unsure what the minimum would be for Quest publishing, documentation didn't help clairify this part

[random comet]

look in the validations field and make sure it's scrolled to the top

screenshotting the whole builder window will help

[torpid meteor]

This is all the validations, this is before starting the CATS process though

At least, I think this is

[random comet]

do you have other avatars in the scene?

[torpid meteor]

I do, but they're not the selected avatar, does that matter?

[random comet]

if other avatars have upload issues they'll effect every other avatar's upload button, it's weird. easiest workaround is disable all avatars but the one you're wanting to upload

[torpid meteor]

Yeah that fixed it; Had no idea that'd happen since as you stated, it's weird-

Thank you!

Well; it uploads with the android build support, but it's not saying it can be viewed on quest at all, even if someone tried to manually unblock it,

[vestal shell]

weird there is even a quest divide

i feel like a 300 dollar vr headset should be able to handle some poorly optimized vrchat avatars

but hey my pc cant handle really full public lobbies so idk

i feel bad for all of the people playing on really low fps because of all the super complex avatars thats why i pretty much exclusively use good or very good avatars

[hollow cargo]

You have no idea how bad poorly optimized avatar are

[wooden hound]

You mean?

[vestal shell]

yaknow the like 80mb 7373838388282 poly avatars that take forever to load

its bad on pc but its gotta be worse on quest

i have fiberoptic and i'll still be getting like 5 minutes per frame while i load in

although my antenna is covered in wires and the router is a couple rooms and a floor over

[torpid meteor]

When it comes to the expressions menu for Quest; I know some options like Hue Shifting don't seem to work (from finding out in game)

Is there a list somewhere for what expressions can be used on a quest?

[random comet]

expression menus are just whatever you link a parameter to, just gotta take quest limitations into considerations. Quest shaders don't have a simple hue shift slider, but there are some workarounds like using rainbow texture and using tiling/offset values within the material.

[torpid meteor]

Clever idea

[vapid snow]

trying to upload an avatar for quest and need to delete some things, what is this and how can i fix it?

[molten ginkgo]

what do you need to remove?

in general, you should avoid unpacking models in the hiearchy, since doing so will make future updating of the model more time consuming

[eternal trench]

Im trying to upload and i get this error. anybody know whats goin on?

nvm it fixed its self i think

[torpid meteor]

VRCQuestTools doesn't show up at the top even after importing the package, does anyone know why this might be happening? It's not like I'm importing the package incorrectly...

[crude acorn]

you can use GestureManager off github :)

[crude acorn]

do you use the cck version or the unity package version

[astral vector]

c: thank you guys for the input :hrt:

[torpid meteor]

Unity package version, casual import; like in the video tutorial I was following

I DID have the cck version in first which wasn't working, so I removed it and then started going through a tut. Not sure if that'd be the reason behind it though

[crude acorn]

be sure to delete any outdated scripts, then update your sdk to the most recent version. if everything is up to date, it should work

but you have to delete the original questtools folder with all the scripts before you import the cck version

[torpid meteor]

So delete the package from assets, save and close, re-implement from CCK and make sure it's up to date?

[crude acorn]

yep

and make sure all your stuff in the cck is updated too

as if you have an old sdk and new poiyomi or plugin, etc, itll break

[vale dock]

Can someone make me a knight avatar that looks like this for $10

[hollow cargo]

Burh

No?

[young fiber]

I don't think you could even find someone doing a low poly version of that for 10 bucks haha

Especially without a full ref

[oak lantern]

How do I make metal look nicer for quest?? 😔
I know there’s a way I just don’t know it-

[glad cobalt]

lmao bro

[crude acorn]

bro

$10

😭

that's less than I get paid in an hour to bag groceries

[molten ginkgo]

metal looks bad because of the lack of Reflection probes support in the quest shaders. fortunately, Standard Lite is being redone, and it will support reflection probes.

[vale dock]

I’m surprised you even have a job

Dick

[sage mesa]

Says the person asking for a super complex commission to be done for change lmao

[steady idol]

Man you know nothing about avatar making

Just modeling it alone without textures or rigging already would cost a lot

At best for an incredibly bare bones version of that made by someone doing it for way too cheap would be 10 dollars by the hour

Something of that quality would be several hundred to possibly over 1k

If you were looking for someone to edit a base model

It would be the price of the base plus the hourly wage set by the artist

[pastel storm]

what’s the best way to convert eyebrow and eyelash textures from pc to quest? they always just end up being black boxes and i’ve tried changing the background color to the same as the skin but it doesn’t look the best.

[pale stream]

You'd most likely need to make a dedicated mesh for it, since you can't have transparency

[novel vessel]

you have the audacity to call an artist names for them trying to tell you that what you're asking for is unobtainable. i don't do avatars myself however as an artist i know full well how difficult it is to create artwork that is highly complicated. it isn't cheap either. catch yourself on and wind your neck in.

[vale ibex]

Anyone Know how to fix this error?

DK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder+<>c__DisplayClass104_0+<<CreateBuildGUI>b__4>d.MoveNext () (at Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:1813)
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
System.Runtime.ExceptionServices.ExceptionDispatchInfo.Throw () (at <eae584ce26bc40229c1b1aa476bfa589>:0)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncMethodBuilderCore+<>c.<ThrowAsync>b__6_0 (System.Object state) (at <eae584ce26bc40229c1b1aa476bfa589>:0)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext+WorkRequest.Invoke () (at <7d87237cea3743d093e22c5b98f74fba>:0)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext:ExecuteTasks()

Tried Reataching in the pipeline manager

[dapper frigate]

anyone know how or where to get the android player?????

[viscid cosmos]

Does anyone know of any avatars with face tracking that would work with a quest pro? or have any for sale / can make one for commission?

[molten ginkgo]

go to the Jerry's Mod avatar world

and click the VRCFT button to show the VRCFT avatars

I'm assuming you already have VRCFT installed and set up?

and that you are playing on a PC?

[viscid cosmos]

playing on a quest pro, and have no idea how to install VRCFT 😄

[molten ginkgo]

so you don't have a PC?

[viscid cosmos]

i do, but i haven't linked my QP to the PC - is that a better way to do this?

[molten ginkgo]

you will not be able to have face tracking playing the standalone version of the game, unless you somehow stream the FT data back to a PC and then back to the headset using OSC

the PC version of the game is a much better experience anyways (as long as your PC is actually capable of handling the game), and the face tracking setup is significantly simpler

https://docs.vrcft.io/docs/intro/getting-started

[viscid cosmos]

thanks for all the information, much appreciated

[viscid cosmos]

Think I got everything hooked up, except in VRCFaceTracking it says 'no modules loaded' even though Installed the Quest Pro OpenXR

so close!

[molten ginkgo]

you need to enable it in VRCFT

by default there's no modules loaded

[viscid cosmos]

I think it was because oculus wasn't the active OpenXR runtime. i feel like some kind of a hacker getting so many things to work together: headset, oculus pc app, oculus mobile app, oculus developer mode, oculus VR chat install, vrcfacetracking...

[vale ibex]

Still need help with this

[pearl vigil]

goofy ahh broke child

[crude acorn]

real

[unique sorrel]

how do i reduce physbones for quest conversion... to build i do not want my avatar to look stiff

[torpid meteor]

Box colliders are not allowed for Quest versions of Avatars, but I've seen had quest users sit on station chairs of avatars before, How is this achieved?

[flint forge]

You don't need box colliders for stations, they work without them, it just makes turning them off harder.

To turn them off your only option is to move them far away, which isn't ideal if someone is sitting in it.

[torpid meteor]

I see, so how do I decide the 'hitbox' of the station in this case?

Also, based off what you've said, I might also need to find a way to kick them out before relocating the station

(Unless I can just scale it down to something impossible to target?)

[flint forge]

You don't, you just get a default size hitbox.

[flint forge]

Doesn't work, it is still targetable even if it practically doesn't exist.

[flint forge]

I don't know if you can, but not really sure.

[torpid meteor]

I got it working but the VR player's head and hands were overriding the animation, so it looked strange; Which settings could I configure to fix that?

[hushed summit]

does anyone know where can find a tatsumi from akame ga kill avatar

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[molten turtle]

hi i need help

[magic slate]

hi, you might try explaining your problem

[nimble prairie]

Explain ur problem instead of just saying “i need help”

[molten turtle]

okay i am stuck because im trying to figure out what to do with this

[molten turtle]

so what should i do

[magic slate]

are you trying to make that into a Quest avatar?

[molten turtle]

yes

[magic slate]

you should probably find a tutorial, there's a lot of work to do. You'll have to reduce the number of physbones and physbone transforms, as the first two errors say

[molten turtle]

can i collab with you?

[magic slate]

no

[molten turtle]

im stuck though

[molten turtle]

see this is where i am stuck

[reef pewter]

You have to remove phybones.

Also your avatar isn’t quest friendly at all anyway.

[mellow sigil]

does anyone know how i can get this emission?

shader kinda

[molten turtle]

okay but i might need to figure it out which phybones i should remove

[reef pewter]

Until you are at 64

For the comp part you can only have 11

[torpid meteor]

Do any shaders for quest support Alpha cutoff?

[crude acorn]

what the FUCK

why is there 57 physbones

WHAT

[crude acorn]

why do you need 57 physbone components

[crude acorn]

8 phys bones max for quest 64 transforms max

[reef pewter]

👍

[north brook]

its not that hard😭

goto vrc quest tools if you use it and delete some physbones

[magic slate]

No

[blazing meteor]

Thry VRAM Calculator says I'm 3.86 MiB, but VRC SDK says I'm 10.5321 MB. Anyone know the cause?

[molten ginkgo]

which version of the tool are you on?

says at the top

[blazing meteor]

1.3.2

[blazing epoch]

hellow if someone could guide me
im making a quest avi and the poly count is going up there
id like to know what is the limit for a UNoptimised quest avi ..like how far can i stretch the poly count
150K ? 200k ? 300k?
ik the given baseline is 70k but :/
id like to know what you can use without lagging

[molten ginkgo]

for quest, the maximum is 20k, not 70k. 70k is the limit for PC

[blazing epoch]

thanks

[nova flame]

why does this want me to remove the light source? i'm adding a torch it needs to make light

[wide heart]

You're on the Android/Quest build. They can't have lights.

[nova flame]

and how do i make a torch then?

[wide heart]

Just remove the light. It wont light up the world, but everything else should be allowed and work.

[torpid meteor]

Someone pointed out that I could create a Quest friendly Hueshift feature on avatars by using a rainbow gradient and changing the UV coordinates for it...

But which material would I need to use to achieve this & would it just tint the original albedo map, or would I have to create a special albedo map to achieve this?

[nova flame]

but then it doesn't make light😅 should i use another kind of light?

[wide heart]

No lights are allowed on quest avatars

[nova flame]

but i have seen quest avatars with lights, how do they do that?

[steady idol]

Cone with vrc mobile particles additive

Faking the light

[crude acorn]

I thought you couldn't use the particle shaders on quest-

[molten turtle]

hi i need help im trying to upload this avatar for quest and all i can see is blank

[steady idol]

vrc mobile shaders particles can be used

additive for taking a texture and adding it to the area basically making a flashlight effect

multiple would combine the texture with the area

[pastel storm]

I keep on hearing people say different things. Some say mobile particles become pink or black on Quest and they're meant for worlds, while some say it works. I feel I actually need to wait until Pico gets standalone VRC and test it myself

[pastel storm]

when i try to upload a quest avi i get this error (ArgumentException: Getting control 1's position in a group with only 1 controls when doing repaint Aborting)

[pastel storm]

dif avatar but same error when i switch to andriod build

[echo tide]

anyone know the reasons that could stop me from publishing here? no direct errors show up on the sdk

It does have a lot of polygons but the textures are fairly small, and I haven't gone through and added any extra stuff to the model.

[wide heart]

It's not stopping you, just telling you it's going to have a performance rank of Very Poor.

[echo tide]

the button is grayed out though, clicking it does nothing

[wide heart]

Oh, might need to reload the SDK

[random comet]

if you have other avatars in the scene, disable them

SDKs older than 3.3.0 have an issue where they won't upload if another avatar has upload issues

[echo tide]

yup, that was the problem, ty

[robust whale]

No they can't. I have tried and it let's you upload but it turns the particles invisible (it doesn't render them)

[robust whale]

Switch to android build

Sometimes it will switch but it still doesn't let you

You just have to press the switch button again

Oh you're on an older sdk I think nvm

This happens in a new one

What could be happening then is you have components not allowed on quest on ANOTHER avatar active in the scene

If you have any other avatars in your scene just disable the gameobjects

Like disable the avatars

[steady idol]

they are rendered when I use them for quest

[robust whale]

on worlds?

they render in unity but not ingame in vrchat standalone

[steady idol]

I have vrchat standalone and it renders for me just fine

[lilac geyser]

This better be a bug in the sdk

and it only does it on alpha blend this is straight up evil

[crude acorn]

quest doesnt allow transparent shaders on avis afaik

its a performance issue thing

[topaz zephyr]

you can't use particle shaders and you can't use lightmapped

[dapper fox]

Hi, I wanted to know if anyone can make a quest compatible avatar for free (I’m broke) I have a specific file that I want to be used in the avatar so I was wondering if anyone can do it. (I don’t really care on what the base is it’s fine on what you make but I just want some stuff to have physics I also have a file that’s already paid for and I want the item in the file to be used)

[pastel storm]

Can someone please make a Scott pilgrim avatar with the electric guitar that plays his songs play

Pls

For quest

[nimble prairie]

No one will make you a free avi

[dapper fox]

I was just asking if anyone can :I

[nimble prairie]

Yeah and I told you

No one will

[thorn onyx]

So I was wondering why some of my favorite Avis get turned off even when they are free and not booth or any other and aren’t copyrighted?

[nimble prairie]

Well they most likely aren’t supposed to be public

Someone might’ve not ripped them but uploaded them when they shouldn’t

Do you have photos of which Avis?

[jolly cloud]

Quest can’t hear avatar noises anyway

[vale ibex]

Avi Isnt uploading

[lean plank]

avatars get auto censored for me even if shield level is on minimum

[nimble prairie]

Are you on quest

If so could be cuz the Avis to big

Avis over 10mb can’t be seen

Or are you saying like you can see the Avis you just gotta turn them on to see them

[lean plank]

i need to turn them on even tho i have my shield level on minum

[random comet]

Very poor rated avatars cannot be shown automatically

[lean plank]

aw

[vale ibex]

?

[severe zephyr]

for the hip to leg angles

[steady idol]

You have missing scripts

[misty kindle]

So for some reason it's happening again, my quest versions of my avis just cycle through everything constantly and it's driving me insane, nothing I do fixed it,

[cerulean yacht]

Have you fixed it

[misty kindle]

Nope, been having this issue for like near a month now. Any of my semi recently uploaded quest compatible avis just cycle through every mesh on the Avi except the body and show and hide them constantly

[cerulean yacht]

Can I upload and fix it for you?

[misty kindle]

Nah, lots of money worth of assets in the project that I'm not supposed to share in any way shape or form

[cerulean yacht]

No problem! You can continue trying

[misty kindle]

Yeah probably what's gonna happen

[late sail]

I love when this happens 🫠

[steady idol]

Rounding the number but not actually is fun

[pastel storm]

So I was wondering if there was a relatively good looking avatar anyone had for quest that had your avatar projecting like your main body was in front of you

[steady idol]

I dont even think that would work on quest

[steady idol]

Theres an #1138520828556890214

[pastel storm]

oo ty

[honest rover]

Is there a way I can make hue shift assets like eyes and clothes quest compatible on an avatar I purchased? The pc version obviously won’t work since I have a meta quest 2, is there any way I can make it compatible?

[shell nexus]

not sure if i should put this in another channel or not but im trying to optimize this vroid avatar for quest, i found out how to cut the vertices so they dont show up as black in unity, but im having a lot of trouble with it

is there Any way i can hide specific materials in blender so i can cut the vertices off one at a time cause having them all overlap is really confusing and i dont wanna cut into the wrong mesh

i hid all of the hair cause they were separate objects but i cant figure out how to just hide the face texture (cause it makes the eyeline disappear which is what im trying to fix)

pls ping me if u know how to do this i cant find anything on google asjhddf

NVM FIGURED IT OUT u gotta go to materials hit select on the one u wanna hide in edit mode and then press h 😭 im dumb

[gentle lantern]

Im trying to make an avatar quest compatable and I followed a tutorial saying to change all the shaders to quest compatible shaders. Once I did though all the toggles stopped working and i dont know what to do.

[royal ridge]

Anyone here have any details about the new sdk for unity 2022 and what this means for quest avatar development?

[pastel storm]

Doesn't mean much. Some long-waited improvements you're already getting now on Unity 2019, such as uploading avis without play mode, such as toonlite/standardlite overhaul with proper reflection, more detail maps, etc (SDK 4.0.1)

[pastel storm]

Without knowing more about the setup, and it's hard to say. If it was using something like Poi and the toggles are shader-based (turning on/off rendering), then it can't be converted to Quest. Easily. More information had been nice, perhaps screenshots

[pastel storm]

When this happens you can reupload, it'll be a different number each time. The later SDKs should have fixed this, the latest is SDK 4.4.1. If they haven't you can use VCC to go back to SDK 3.2.3, and you won't have that problem anymore. I'm calling it a bug because my avi is 9.70mb and I can't upload (on SDK 3.4.0, at least)

[pastel storm]

I like this tutorial. https://youtu.be/92PusEHSSms?feature=shared&t=188

[royal ridge]

So a texture update then. Not much in regards to upload size and limitations?

And what of allowing already existing android compatible materials like Autodesk?

[pastel storm]

VRC has said before that even if Quest 3 carries a 20-40 performance increase, that it'll be used as breathing room
With Quest 1 standalone decrepatated and VRChat removed from the store, the optimization target will continue to be Quest 2
Quest 2 already runs poorly. Quest 3 will run slightly less poorly. You probably wont see any change in upload mb limit for worlds or avis, or change in the performance rank, until there's a Quest 4 or 5.
If you want better performance, you can opt into Beta in the Oculus Store, you'll get 10-20 more frames, because it's running Unity 2022 instead

[royal ridge]

So in short rather than pushing the capabilities of quest further with a newer engine they are keeping it the same for "breathing room"

Because I'm not talking about hardware increases, more so engine optimization, it seems the new 2022 is far more capable of handling larger avatars and models for quest. Otherwise making it so we have more materials on hand is useless if we are at the same mb cap.

[random comet]

upload size is limited mainly to prevent filling up the ram so much, the Quest 3 isn't a good upgrade in ram from the Quest 2 (Just 8gb from 6gb)

[royal ridge]

Again, I wasn't asking about the quest 3. I was asking about the new game engine.

I'm a pcvr person who makes quest avatars. That's why I ask. I couldn't care about the hardware. My biggest point is what does this mean for avatar creators? Can we start improving what we make for quest or do we have the same limitations as always?

[pastel storm]

Everything will run a bit smoother. Bones, animator, so on. The biggest difference is blendshapes won't be very costly.
The docs rn are for Unity 2019, and recommends splitting off the head (or any mesh using blendshapes) from the rest, if the overall mesh polygon count exceeds 32k. You can stop doing that and instead merge all the meshes to one.
Here's a benchmark comparing Unity 2019 and 2022. https://gist.github.com/d4rkc0d3r/f77c1e96d4aeefd0d1eaf13fb096a2de
So if you did account for that in the past, you don't need to anymore. That also means you can start making toggles with blendshapes.
But toggles with bones will still be better
This isn't a Quest-specific thing. For Quest specifically, not much changes. For avi making at a whole, this at least changes

[random comet]

we hoped for the the biggest performance upgrade component to 2022 which is SPS-I, but instead we got a build with normal SPS so nothing much on the drawcall side.

so mainly frametimes and blendshape performance is just better

[pastel storm]

I think they'll still try SPS-I because they warned shader makers earlier this year to support it, with advice how
We're still getting Udon2, that'll be an improvement for script-heavy worlds. Nothing that's directly Quest-related, still affects Quest Ig

[granite ingot]

What is SPS-I ?

[random comet]

Unity has 2 main stereo rendering methods for VR, Single Pass and Single Pass Instanced. Single Pass is a lot more heavier on the CPU than the instanced variant, but VRChat needs a bunch of content's shaders to support it for whenever they do jump to Single Pass Instanced. I'm guessing VRChat is still waiting for more SPS-I supported shaders to be in most content before changing, and make a system to fallback non SPS-I supported shaders.

Main references
https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.4/Documentation/Manual/SinglePassStereoRendering.html
https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.4/Documentation/Manual/SinglePassInstancing.html

[pearl osprey]

I’m trying to change the build to android in this new sdk thing and it won’t change

[merry frigate]

Does anyone know where to find a tsumiki model or have the file for it? I’ve been trying to find it and couldn’t find it.

[vestal mortar]

Can anyone help me find a anti spiral avatar with attacks?

[novel jolt]

had this last year but is broken @vestal mortar

[robust whale]

hi sorry this is really late but if you want me to help i can. just dm me or we can talk here. It's late so i can't vc, but if you want to i can troubleshoot, just send screenshots for stuff i can help

[robust whale]

kind of. The best ways you can do this are with the albedo/emission colors on standard lite. You could also try matcaps of solid colors.

[misty kindle]

already got it, figured out it was due to the arangemnet of my parameters for quest and pc, m,y face and eye tracking stuff gets confused when prams dont match

[robust whale]

ohh yeah you gotta have those exactly the same

[brazen path]

can some amazing person make an avatar with a working portal gun that shoots poratls and can go though it and works on quest

[fiery ibex]

when god comes back, ill make this

[brazen path]

also when i try to create a avatar or world when im done it says the there must be a build but I had alredy built the project whats happining

[steady idol]

this isnt even remotely possble

pc barely because seat jank

but quest no

[late silo]

It would technically be possible but you would need an abundance of contacts and receivers and it would a pain to set up also you wouldn't be able to place the portals wherever you want just the pre determined locations you make in unity

but vrc stations are a pain

[steady idol]

yes

[patent saffron]

how do i make things double sided for quest or do i just have to deal with it??

[late silo]

throw your mesh in blender, duplicate the mesh, go into edit mode ands flip the normals, then merge the meshes together

[runic jungle]

Or add solidify modificator

[tall burrow]

How do i make smthing transparent on quest

[magic slate]

you don't, quest doesn't support transparency

[tall burrow]

Ive seen many quest avatars with transparent clothes, skin, etc.

[magic slate]

probably you didn't actually see transparency, but gaps in the mesh. You could certainly cut holes in blender or similar.

[tall burrow]

This is a quest wip of a avy

Is this a blender doing?

[magic slate]

not sure what you're referring to?

[topaz zephyr]

yes. VRC will not let you upload that transparency.

[robust whale]

either you saw faked transparency (like parts of the mesh missing, or inverted normals) or they were breaking the TOS by using modified software.

[steady idol]

the best you got for transparency which this is absolute transparency (aka invisible) is taking the vrchat mobile particles multiply shader

[robust whale]

that only works on particles

and it's also only for worlds i think

i've seen some people successfully use it on quest

avatars

but it only works on particles

which means no skinned meshes

[true plover]

Im trying to convert pc to quest i never had this problem before what do i need to remove or change to make it quest compatible

Phys Bone Transform

[steady idol]

remove physbones

[pastel storm]

Can someone make good td South Park avatars

[steady idol]

Not good to ask here
A lot of scams

[steady idol]

Also dont copy and paste ask in every channel

[forest charm]

Does anybody know how I can make a material transparent like slime?

For quest.

[topaz zephyr]

you can't

[topaz zephyr]

sorry

[dire swift]

my avatar uploads perfectly fine for pc vr but for quest uploads it brings up this error despite there being no reason in the control panel

[topaz zephyr]

scroll up to that first error

[hollow nimbus]

wow

just scroll all

[solar venture]

in pc it's fine

but in quest..

it's shitty

what i made wrong?

[topaz zephyr]

what do your materials look like and what does it look like in editor

[forest charm]

Can I get the blush to work on quest?

[random comet]

blush that uses transparency, no

[forest charm]

FLIP

Why does VRchat do us like this

[random comet]

Quest hardware wouldn't handle transparency that well on 20+ avatars at the same time

[forest charm]

Ah..

[solar venture]

normal

and in editor it's the same way

shitty

sorry for the late

[thick vault]

Hi zero

[topaz zephyr]

I meant the material settings

[solar venture]

hello

[solar venture]

ah

how i see that?

im newbie-

[topaz zephyr]

click on the material

settings show up in the inspector

[sturdy goblet]

is there a way for me to get eye simulation working by having a pupil laterally move instead of rotating a spherical eye mesh? i've got a character model with stylized glasses and rotation won't work for that

(also please ping for the response since i don't check this server often)

[topaz zephyr]

You can put a contact sender on an eye bone and receivers around the perimeter, use that to drive animations via blendtree or something

Those animations can be as simple as animating UV offset or something

[sturdy goblet]

alright, thanks!

[analog sand]

i need help making avatars

just someone to give me some tips

[steady idol]

Thats is comically vague

[topaz zephyr]

sure, what's up

[analog sand]

I'm busy right now but we can talk about it later sorry

[hollow carbon]

can someone help me?

[old tide]

Hey if I have an avatar that's gonna be too difficult to make quest compatible, can I just upload an entirely different avatar as the quest version? Or is that gonna fuck with toggles and stuff?

[topaz zephyr]

If the toggles don't match then they will not work cross-platform

other than that yeah you can upload basically whatever you want

[old tide]

Gotcha, so I guess I'll try using a quest compatable avatar and just throwing the menu/params from my PC avatar on it and seeing if that works

[crisp violet]

I only started making avatars yesterday. The avatar is completely fine but in game its under the ground. Does anyone know what to do? Im clueless.
(The model is there in VRChat I can see it but only if I look under the ground or jump.)

[deft saddle]

Wdym , like make it and gift to them as a package ?

[faint hound]

there is no collision checked though

[steady idol]

You probably have too many physbones

[pastel storm]

Iv been working on a project for a fair ammount of hours and i think the fatique is kicking in and making a simple issue complex in my head.
perhaps someone here can help...

I have a particle effect on my model (namida) and im trying to swap the particle shader over for quest optimazation, but its greyed out. so i cant swap around the shader to vrc.
im almost certain this is a easy fix and i have a box checked that shouldent be, but my brain is lagging at this point.|

[magic slate]

you'll have to go find whatever material uses the wrong shader. I'd look at your particles first, based on the name of the bad shader.

[lucid quest]

Search t:renderer in the hierarchy search to find all object that uses shader

[muted bane]

I can just about handle vroid enough to create a very bad PC-only avatar. A more experienced avatar maker talked me, step by step, through putting the *.vrm through Creator Companion and Unity to get an avatar to VRC. I want to create a Quest version of one or two of those Vroid avatars. I've been trying to learn via YT tutorials, but it seems like the ones that I find go too fast and skip over obvious-to-them steps. As well as working with older versions of Unity, so the dashboard onscreen doesn't look like the one that I have. I have Blender on my PC on Steam, but I even more don't know how to use that. What would be my best starting point? I know a Quest avatar would have to be much simpler, which I'm fine with, but I have no idea how to get there.

[nocturne sundial]

is there a tool to help lower avi size? ive made every texture on it 128pixel and high compression and i cannot get it under 10mb

the avatar isnt even that intense

[flint forge]

Ho many blendshapes does it have?
If it is many then try using VRCFury's blendshape optimizer on the root.

[nocturne sundial]

looking into it, its mostly mesh memory

[flint forge]

ie, blendshapes most likely.

[nocturne sundial]

ill try vrcfury

never really used plugins like that before

[quick rampart]

Does anyone know why when I switch to mobile shaders the toggles for this avi I downloaded mash into the other textures

This is what it looks like on PC

[chilly hedge]

Hey yall, right now and now I’ve been working on a avatar and for some reasons, even though I uploaded it to Quest every time Quest users see my Avi all my toggles are disabled for them and they don't see anything until I get on Quest where they can see it but then PC has the issue of not being able to see the toggles. If anyone can help, it would be much appreciated!

[magic slate]

use the same avatar parameter list for both quest and PC versions. In the same order.

[chilly hedge]

Ok

[civic torrent]

im trying too make a model quest but it says its disabled??

[quick rampart]

You need to download android build for Unity most likely

Search the unity version your using and download the android build support for that version

[quick rampart]

Does anyone know what's up with mine?

[flint forge]

The PC shaders are probably not just "standard" (the shader) I assume, the PC shaders could be making use of UVDiscard which is a pretty neat solution for hiding mesh on PC, but that no shader on Quest supports.

[quick rampart]

Makes no sense because I have tons of other toggles on here but its only doing it with the ear and plush texture

[flint forge]

Check if the PC shaders make use of anything called UVDiscard or I suppose it could just be dissolve.
And it isn't all that odd to have different things toggle differently, the ears I would definitely use UVDiscard for.

[quick rampart]

I literally put the shaders on myself it's just poiyomi shaders

[quick rampart]

It works perfectly like with the Poiyomi shaders I have on on PC I jut can't use it on Quest

[flint forge]

Poiyomi supports both dissolve and UVDiscard, "just poi" could literally mean it does almost anything.

However, since you put it on I guess it isn't that then.

Is it making use of cutout?
If you change the shader on PC to be opaque instead of cutout do those things appear?

[quick rampart]

Sorry had to reopen my project, yes thats the issues, PC is on cutout. Is there a way to do that for quest?

[flint forge]

Nope

[flint forge]

Just in case though, you did check what happened when you swapped it over to opaque yeah?

[quick rampart]

Yes

[flint forge]

You either have to live with it or go into blender to separate or remove those things.

[quick rampart]

Okay thanks

[merry frigate]

Does anyone by chance have this model I’ve been looking for it for a while it’s called tsumiki

[civic torrent]

wouldnt that get rid of my current build and overwrite everything

[unique ferry]

nope, you can swap between them

[pastel storm]

have you tried going to prismics search world and looking it up?

[merry frigate]

No I’m saying in unity

[quick rampart]

What no?

Quest runs on Android

You can't upload on Quest without android build installed

And then just switch to it on the SDK

[austere nest]

is there any way to make particles not just boxes on quest? bc i see a lot of avis with good quest particles and they show up fine in unity with the quest shaders but in game they just boxes

[late silo]

Not really

[topaz zephyr]

Use a blend mode like additive or multiplicative

for additive particles use a black background. for multiplied particles use a white background.

[austere nest]

where do i find that?

[topaz zephyr]

vrchat > mobile > particles

[austere nest]

oh those

yeah im askin bc im just tryna make a laser for quest kinda like how you see on all those dragon ball avatars lol

[topaz zephyr]

use additive

[austere nest]

ill try lol

[merry frigate]

Thank you so much

[austere nest]

why does the quest additive particle shader look completely different in unity then in game

it makes it very annoying to make particles work on quest bc you have to use a quest to see if it works right

[primal hornet]

Because the transparency effects on the quest don't work.

[topaz zephyr]

shaders that blend additively (like vrc's additive particle shader) don't actually do alpha comparisons and stuff, they're supposed to literally add the diffuse albedo value for a given texel to the current screen pixel

[topaz zephyr]

Hard to say what's going wrong with no description of the problem or any visuals.

I much prefer visuals, personally.

[austere nest]

i just wish quest had transparency at least just for the particles

[topaz zephyr]

You think you want transparency. You don't want transparency.

[primal hornet]

You think you want something, you don't want anything.

[sage mesa]

You will want nothing and be happy

[austere nest]

why not?

[topaz zephyr]

Transparency on Quest is especially expensive

[austere nest]

define expensive

like what do you mean by that?

[topaz zephyr]

It takes more memory accesses because tile based renderers work differently

[austere nest]

well maybe someday there will be a way to at east change the particle shapes to not be squares

unless there already is

[topaz zephyr]

If I knew what your particles looked like right now I might be able to offer a suggestion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD1zXW7Uz8Q if you want to learn more about the differences between desktop and mobile graphics processing

[austere nest]

they are just translucent red squares

[topaz zephyr]

What do your import settings look like

I'm assuming you don't want translucent red squares, since you haven't provided any kind of visuals to demonstrate what this is supposed to look like vs what it actually looks like

[austere nest]

yeah i was just tryna make a simple laser ill try to work on it more when i get home

[chrome sable]

Is it possible to transfer an avatar from vrchat or vseeface to blender?

tutorial ?

[topaz zephyr]

from vrchat, no

[chrome sable]

and unity?

Is it possible to transfer an avatar from unity to blender ?

[topaz zephyr]

That is actually a complicated question. Usually you're going to have the files on your harddrive already.

Normally you don't "export" resources from unity like that, you import them

[chrome sable]

and can blender import a unity model? Or does it have to be in a certain format so you can open it in Blender?

[topaz zephyr]

FBX is the preferred format.

[primal hornet]

FBX which version is preferable?

[topaz zephyr]

Given the questions they're asking, I doubt expanding on that will be productive.

[primal hornet]

Exactly, making FBX in Blender 3.6 and exporting without additional plugin in 2019 Unity is just a great idea

[topaz zephyr]

If they asked that I could have told them I guess? I'm not sure what you're getting at

They haven't explained what they're actually trying to accomplish so I'm just answering the questions as they ask them

[primal hornet]

They asked about this, now after your advice they will sit for two days wondering why the blendshapes and skeleton are broken.

[topaz zephyr]

Again, they haven't even said what they're trying to do. They asked a question. I answered. There's nothing to be upset about here.

[chrome sable]

I have an avatar in Unity and I want to transfer it to different things, such as making animation through SFM, and transfer it to blender to implement that model to games in the form of a MOD, similar to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh1ax-jnjZI&pp=ygUOZ29kIG9mIHdhciB5dWk%3D

[topaz zephyr]

as long as you have the model you should be able to just import that into blender

there are also ways to add props and stuff to your avatars directly in unity

if you need a primer for blender I really recommend BlenderGuru's donut tutorial series

[chrome sable]

I will try to try it

[obtuse junco]

Part of my mesh is black when i use the mobile shaders for my avi

If i use standard its fine :c

Any ideas on how to fix this?

It seems to be ok in blender

Maybe i should just combine all everything together into one material and texture.

I did extrude the mesh in blender to make the tail from the existing mesh. Maybe I didnt do something or missed an essential step for the mesh

[chilly hedge]

Do yall know how to fix the error that says, chest, feet, etc. are not defineded?

[quiet reef]

what do you mean its not supported my brother in christ its from the folder you TOLD me to go to

[chilly hedge]

The SDK for Quest only supports certain shaders that are for avatars. For example: VRChat/Mobile/Sprite would not work

[quiet reef]

bruh

[flint forge]

Lightmapped is for worlds, yes, it is annoying that they don't make that clear.
One of the particle shaders are the same I think.

[quiet reef]

Damn

[ruby gale]

anyone ever have this problem?

[glass pumice]

Any avatar uploader here please am just asking don't come to my DM

[late silo]

Its against VrChat TOS to share your account stuff to get avatars uploaded, unless you are asking for someone to upload to their own account and you clone it

[indigo rain]

thats im made smthing wrong when transfer or my rig is too bad ?
1st time try to add into VR

[magic slate]

almost certainly it's vertex colors causing this

[glass pumice]

Oh okay

[pastel storm]

There's actually nothing in the ToS that says sharing accounts or passwords isn't allowed.
ToS 3. You're responsible for any activity, but it doesn't say it has to be yours.
ToS 12.1.G mentions sharing account access without permission isn't allowed. Implying permission is.
The community guidelines only mentions that, only 1 person should use each account. I've also never seen staff enforce any requests on the Discord, where others ask others to upload content. It's entirely possible it's okay, so long you don't get in trouble.
But for hopefully obvious reasons, it's unsafe. Installing Unity and uploading yourself isn't that hard

[late silo]

I'm just repeating what I've been told many times 🤷

[pastel storm]

Many do that. Let's break the circle spam

[shell obsidian]

[Always] AssetBundle was not built
UnityEngine.Debug:LogError (object,UnityEngine.Object)
VRC.Core.Logger:LogError (string,VRC.Core.DebugLevel,UnityEngine.Object)
VRC.SDK3.Builder.VRCAvatarBuilder:ExportCurrentAvatarResource (UnityEngine.Object,bool,bool,string&,System.Action1<string>,System.Action1<object>)
VRC.SDK3.Builder.VRCAvatarBuilder:ExportAvatarBlueprint (UnityEngine.GameObject)
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder/<Build>d__106:MoveNext () (at Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:2034)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext:ExecuteTasks () any ideas on how to fix?

[upbeat pelican]

hi

[timber sentinel]

having this same issue ^^^

trying to publish a quest version of an avatar, slightly different mesh, bones, and physbone placement but all the menu functionality is the same. I tried reloading the SDK and removing the blueprint ID so it'd be separate, and the issue persists. I asked in avatar-help yesterday but didn't get a response

edit: it is most likely mesh/map garbage from decimating it in blender, which feels like it implies a ton of work that I really don't want to do, and also doesn't make sense because the previews work in the Unity editor, as well as Blender

[timber sentinel]

still there after using cats for it, I think I'm done trying to make this thing work for quest users for a while. they can just see my fallback lol

[lusty vigil]

DoesDoes anybody know where i can find fnaf movie avatars?

[crisp berry]

No but the avis are probably being made right now just not ready yet as the movie is only two weeks old

[late silo]

I made a William Afton

[buoyant dragon]

who made the smashing brush?

[late silo]

you can get the base here, its just a texture edit on the face
https://blueasis.booth.pm/items/2015781

[buoyant dragon]

but its $13

[late silo]

But it's ONLY $13, thats cheap

[lost sequoia]

Ngl I thought all of those were public

[late silo]

Only publics allowed are either the fallback or others made by the creator otherwise it breaks tos

[lost sequoia]

Oh

[buoyant dragon]

im broke tho

[jagged sequoia]

no custom brush for you

[buoyant dragon]

get the files then send it to me then

[jagged sequoia]

that would be against terms of service

[buoyant dragon]

ok?

how

[jagged sequoia]

the avatars terms the service doesn't allow distribution like that

[buoyant dragon]

y

[jagged sequoia]

and the vrchat Discord does not allow discussing pirating things

[buoyant dragon]

its not tho

[jagged sequoia]

it would be because you would be getting access to something you didn't pay for

[buoyant dragon]

but im broke

[jagged sequoia]

then no avatar for you

[buoyant dragon]

but

nvm

[thick flame]

I have a question if I’m converting an avi to quest and it says the avi is to big and I already delete most of the physbones to make it quest and it’s still to large what do I do?

[crimson relic]

Chuck your monitor out the window out of rage

[thick flame]

I agree 👍

[unborn gate]

Lowering texture quality in unity can help

[thick flame]

I tried I put everything to 256 and it’s still to big and I don’t know what im doing wrong 🤦‍♀️

[unborn gate]

Delete some parts of the avatar like extra clothes, accessories etc.

[thick flame]

Gotcha

[steady idol]

Also selecting dxt1 or dxt5 for the android override

[thick flame]

Ah okay I didn’t do that I’ll try that

[steady idol]

also crunched over compressed iirc

[vapid wasp]

do hands properly render w pcvr yet?

[copper charm]

Avatar on PC says its fine but on quest it says "Server side checks failed", any ideas?

Avatar was quest and normal before, in fact was a fallback for a little while before I tried to make it a bit more unoptimized by better textures, etc

[steady idol]

They never didnt?

[blazing latch]

tried uploading quest avi I converted halp

[steady idol]

Show entire console

[proven hinge]

Anyone know a walten files av I can have?

[unborn gate]

Does the toggle menu on the quest version of the avatar have to be identical to the pc one? I'm just thinking if I toggle something on pc and the menu is in a different order for example on quest will it toggle something completely different?

[rose yew]

you can make an entirely different avi for quest if you like, not a big deal 🙂

[unborn gate]

Yes I know that but the thing I'm wondering about is how are the toggles synced?

[rose yew]

I just depends how you do the animations and how you set them up

[flint forge]

Parameters are synced, crossplatform, by position in list and type https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#cross-platform-parameter-sync

Basically, don't change your parameter list when uploading for Quest or vice versa.

[unborn gate]

Okay got it thanks, I was worried I had to keep the toggle menu layout the exact same

[worldly veldt]

I've been shrinking textures and removing features from ym avatar to make it Quest compatible It is still at 17 MB even after most textures are 128x128 and some are 256. Shrinking textures seems to be loosing effectiveness

so what do I need to get it under 10mb?

Saw the note about DXT1 and DXT5, I'll try

[flint forge]

Could be because of the blendshapes.
How many blendshapes does your avatar have?

[worldly veldt]

prolly a lot

I mean it does...

[flint forge]

Blendshapes can take up a lot and since, aside from MMD blendshapes, you basically never need to touch unanimated ones, you can use VRCFury's blendshape optimizer to bake the blendshapes (baking makes it save the current value to the mesh and then removing the blendshape).

[worldly veldt]

sounds like a plan

How I do this?

[flint forge]

Install VRCFury and add its script to the root of the avatar (where the descriptor is), inside that script you can add various VRCFury scripts, one of them is the Blendshape optimizer and when it has been added you are done, it will handle things during the upload step and keep your avatar intact and untouched.

[worldly veldt]

Ok, I've used other VRCFury features like 'turn off before upload' etc

[worldly veldt]

Does this apply to just the Avatar mesh, or all of its clothing too?

[flint forge]

Should apply to everything, why it is added on the root.

[raw abyss]

What's the standarised format for quest avatar textures?

🤣

[wise idol]

same issue

anyone know how to fix this?

[raw abyss]

downgrade your textures further

or have less stuf on ur avi

[flint forge]

@wise idol @raw abyss

VRCFury will probably fix it #avatar-quest message

Blendshapes can take up a lot of space, you can check using Thry's performance tools https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

It will tell you the amount the textures and mesh are taking up.

[raw abyss]

bruh my entire avii is buil onit

[flint forge]

Well then you should be using the blendshape optimizer, and with how many blendshapes you might have, you should probably enable the keep MMD blendshapes in the advanced settings.

[raw abyss]

I already used all fixes so it's purery was basing it on sheer amount of textures and meshes in the avi and yes i already optimised them all and uploaded them.

[ebon arrow]

hey can someone help me figure out how to retexture an avatar either later tonight or tomorrow i have been trying to figure out how to do it for about 2 weeks but i just cant figure it out

[sharp jewel]

Wait weree the lf channel,

?

[uneven gate]

does anyone know why avatars on quest with normal maps/cutouts look ass now?

[jagged sequoia]

do you have any screenshots to demonstrate

and there aren't any Quest shaders with cutout support

[uneven gate]

there's a modded sdk that can use cutouts on quest

has been for a long ass time now

[jagged sequoia]

that's against terms of service

[uneven gate]

k

maps aren't

they're just non-existent for quest users now

[jagged sequoia]

well yeah cut out shaders are not supposed to exist on Quest avatars

[jagged sequoia]

would you happen to have any screenshots showing the same Avatar before the update and after

it's not possible to use shaders that aren't in that section without breaking terms of service

okay that doesn't change the fact that it sounds like people were breaking terms of service using Shader mods

and Alpha overdraw is indeed a problem for mobile Hardware

https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/po-art-direction/

question are your avatars using the standard light Shader or something outside of the VR chat mobile list

could you answer the question as I'm trying to narrow down what's actually broken

does your avatars that use the standard light Shader render any differently in the update

that wasn't my question do you have any standard light Shader avatars and are they showing any different Behavior

thank you for answering the question

did you upload the avatars themselves or are they public avatars

[muted compass]

Modification of the SDK or VRChat is not allowed. Doing so can result in your account being banned.

The Shader limitation is there for a reason

[uneven gate]

Why not just revert the update or just make you be able to use custom shaders on quest

[jagged sequoia]

the open Beta is upgrading the render quality of the standard light Shader

[muted compass]

Mobile GPUs are terrible at Transparency :D
Also, I don't even work for VRChat. So please don't say "your game" when talking about it to me.

[jagged sequoia]

the literal manufacturers of the the headset disagrees with you

so you were using a Shader that's not a VRchat mobile Shader?

[uneven gate]

Yes, cuz the vrc one is ass for quest

[silent horizon]

ok so im just asking here cause i saw in a few other servers im in that people (yes they are using the standard lite shader with the regular sdk and it isnt modded) are having issues where avatars arent looking that good anymore on quest. They are claiming that the avatars just look dull now and that reflections such as smoothness data are no longer visible visually on quest. I just need to know whats going on with this

currently im out of town so i have no way of testing this with my own avatars

[spare summit]

*mods the game* WHYS IT BROKEN >:(((((((

[daring dust]

Yea all of my avatars are broken

[spare summit]

same shit

[silent horizon]

thats beside the point

[spare summit]

lol bye

[silent horizon]

why are the shaders basically screwing over reflections within worlds

[vague umbra]

Moddked SDK's are against tos

[muted compass]

Modifying the SDK is just as much against the ToS as modifying the client is.

[silent horizon]

and yes they have tested in worlds with proper lighting including realtime, baked, mixed, and they all have reflection probes and have tested in a large amount of worlds not just one

[spare summit]

.......bypassing... by using a modified version of the sdk.... aka modding

[static elk]

modded sdk always been violation of tos and ban'able, easy to spot one ingame

[sick ridge]

this conversation is hilarious to read

[daring dust]

Fr

[jagged sequoia]

are the avatars using the standard light Shader

[silent horizon]

im just trying to figure out how to fix my damn shaders and people are whining over modded sdks

[daring dust]

but transparency will not brake my Quest

Like what?

[spare summit]

just dont use modded sdks, dont b stupid 🥱 ull only get actual support if u use actual legitimate sdks

[jagged sequoia]

unfortunately it seems like there's kind of two issues going on at the same time that makes it a bit hard to tell heads or tails at the moment

[vague umbra]

transparency doesn't work well on quest iirc

[silent horizon]

yeah its getting annoying

[spare summit]

adding an alpha channel makes image files a lot larger

so while it might work in theory, your avatar would be very poor performance rank no matter what

[muted compass]

Mobile GPUs aren't good at it

[silent horizon]

according to people i know avatars that they have made and uploaded for quest using the regular sdk with the standard lite shader are basically fucked in worlds im tyring to figure out how to fix it so when i get home from vacation i can reupload my avis to fix the issue

[fathom oxide]

yeah i have a friend who makes avatars and there avatars had transparency for quest and they work fine

[jagged sequoia]

do you have pictures of the Avatar before the update and after so the standard light Shader issue can be diagnosed

[daring dust]

But strawds avatars we're fine I never laged once with there avatars this update was point less

[silent horizon]

sadly i do not have ones before

i dont take very many pictures

[jagged sequoia]

fiddlesticks

[silent horizon]

ok so this picture came from a friend of mine and apparently they uploaded this avi on quest. Im a pc user so i dont really know if the avi looks worse or not but theyre saying this looks worse than what it used to look like

[vague umbra]

is the photo taken from PC?

[silent horizon]

no that is taken from quest

[vague umbra]

ok

does it look really shinny in the new update?

[jagged sequoia]

looks like there's specular highlights on the avatar?

[silent horizon]

you can tell cause there isnt an AO detail above the kneecaps

[silent horizon]

no it seems according to them that the avatars have less reflection

and are more dull

[fathom oxide]

this is avatar after i put spoiler because of how terrifying it is

[jagged sequoia]

is this the before or after

[fathom oxide]

after

[silent horizon]

again im a pc user so i dont realy get the problem but i make my avatars for a few communities and when i get home from vacation it would likely be useful to make sure that my avis are looking weird

[fathom oxide]

this is before

bb everything changed

ive lost my dignity

[jagged sequoia]

question what Shader were you using

[fathom oxide]

idk my friend made the avatar

but i had no issues with it, my game on my old ass quest 2 ran so smoothly

[silent horizon]

try taking this photo in the same world as the before one in the same spot

so the lighting is the same

i am curious what the exact differences are

[fathom oxide]

the avatars were so amazing for quest

[fathom oxide]

the transparency in the hair

and you can see that there are no reflections

and i dont think theres any normal maps

[silent horizon]

ok they likely used a modded sdk for that then

[fathom oxide]

ohh

[silent horizon]

cause of transparencies

[fathom oxide]

i didnt see how it lagged though?

[jagged sequoia]

if there's transparency in the hair your friend was using modded sdk

[fathom oxide]

so far everyone ive asked has no issues with lag

are the avatars going to look like this forever?

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-crying-sad-cries-gif-16946264

[silent horizon]

the thing with it is not that its necessarily hard for the quest to render. Its just that it adds more size to the avatar cause you are adding another layer to the image. It also adds slight performance decreases that arent as noticeable unless there are more people in the world with the same avatar

[jagged sequoia]

your friend was exploiting a illegal bug so yeah the avatars are probably not going to revert back

[daring dust]

Yea but this new update made everything look horrible

[craggy glacier]

tile-based GPU's (like the quest has) do not like transparency and objectively perform worse when it is used

just because you didn't personally experience lag doesn't mean others didnt

[fathom oxide]

its not necesarrily just me but i kinda understand??

[jagged sequoia]

and the lag gets worse if more than one transparency is overlapping on top of each other

[craggy glacier]

it sucks, sure, but thats the disadvantage of playing standalone

[fathom oxide]

do you think you guys will ever make it so transparency is fixed for quest

[static elk]

cutout/transparency are heavy for mobile - its not about one person using it - add up multiple in same room and their terrible avatars you can create crashers/terrible performance - why vrchat does not let you set one in its sdk

[jagged sequoia]

so looking at just one Avatar with transparent hair might be fine but a dance club full of transparent hair would send your headset screaming as it's having to draw the same pixels like 10 times

[fathom oxide]

maybe like a option where you can toggle the transparency

[jagged sequoia]

transparency is not intended feature on Quest avatars so no that's not going to change

[craggy glacier]

won't happen until mobile hardware gets much better and becomes the standard

also im not a vrc dev if thats what youre thinking

[daring dust]

It never once did tho???

[fathom oxide]

oh sorry

[jagged sequoia]

not many members of the vrchat dev team actually hang out in this Discord

[daring dust]

I'm sorry but like so may creaters are gonna be affected

[fathom oxide]

Ive been in worlds with people who r using transparency and there have been no issues im pretty sure 90% of these creators use the transparency for quest

[daring dust]

Yea

[jagged sequoia]

sounds like most of those creators were breaking the rules

[fathom oxide]

and its not just me its big portion of the community saying this

[craggy glacier]

that's kinda on them for using unsupported (and otherwise not allowed) modified sdk's

[jagged sequoia]

a world maker can make sure you don't have 10 transparencies on top of each other

[fathom oxide]

oh i meant avatars sorry

[jagged sequoia]

where is avatars because they move about could stack themselves up in a scenario where you get like 10 transparencies on top of each other with no way to control that

[fathom oxide]

what😭

Im pretty sure transparencies dont stack on eachother

[craggy glacier]

they do

that is how GPU's work

[fathom oxide]

my frinds are still having issues with lag even without the illegal hacking, is it also the physbones?

[daring dust]

Yea

The transparency never did anything

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-crying-sad-sad-day-gif-16733465

[daring dust]

Like I still lag like a bitch

Sooooo

What's going on

Because that transparency removal did not help

[jagged sequoia]

are you showing very poor avatars @daring dust

[fathom oxide]

We dont know a whole lot but the avatars looked soo good before

[craggy glacier]

lag comes from all kinds of sources, transparency is just one of them

in particular, many creators do not optimize their avatars for quest

[daring dust]

Almost every avatar that looks descent is very poor

[silent horizon]

im just waiting for the day that the quest 2 gets phased out and the awful hardware doesnt need to hold progress back anymore

[jagged sequoia]

then yes you're getting lagged by the avatars

[fathom oxide]

is there a way to keep avatars optomized but make them look good because so far every optimized quest avatar look really horrible like all of them

[jagged sequoia]

unfortunately the transparency problem is not likely to go away anytime soon because of how mobile Hardware renders

[silent horizon]

likely because they use more textures

with more textures you can add more detail such as metalic, smoothnes, normal, etc

well the more materials you have the more textures you need

[craggy glacier]

avatar optimization is on the creator of the avatar

[daring dust]

Then by that people can just turn off the transparent avatars that are "lagging"

[silent horizon]

thus increasing the amount of textures your mobile gpu needs to load at a time

[jagged sequoia]

the problem is all of those very poor Avatars are causing you lag

[fathom oxide]

is there an alternative for transparency because alot of these avatars look really bad without them its like the beggining of vrc

[silent horizon]

sadly, its annoying too cause at this point pc is a much better option

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-crying-cry-cries-gif-16156983

[jagged sequoia]

so basically either you get a laggy mess or everyone looks like a PS2 game

[silent horizon]

like quest by itself even the newer ones are shitty, theyre nice for like 6 months and then die off due to the software being shit

[daring dust]

That never even happend

[craggy glacier]

probably, i dont personally do much quest avatar development

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-crying-raining-crying-in-car-gif-18603418

[fathom oxide]

do the vrc creators go on quest

and like expirience it

[daring dust]

I would have evey transparent avatar on and I would never lag tbh

[silent horizon]

likely not

[craggy glacier]

dunno, i dont know every creator

[fathom oxide]

bc its really diffrent than what people are describing

[jagged sequoia]

I'm guessing the answer is probably not on the transparency as if vrc found one they would have allowed it

[silent horizon]

theyre all pc from what i know

if you have a pc powerful enough to develop things for the game your pc can likely run the game

this is assuming your referancing the vrc developers being the people such as tupper

[jagged sequoia]

yeah most of these very poor avatars are avatars that were never designed for the quest being just upload it on the quest with no regard for how it performs

[fathom oxide]

isnt that why you can turn people avatars off

[daring dust]

Exactly

[fathom oxide]

im in this server for avatars and everyone is complaining about this😭 and peope on my friends list are yelling about it in their bios

[silent horizon]

i dont really optimize my avatars for quest granted i make them for mil sim communities so they care more for if it looks better and has lower performance as most of them can bear through the lag as long as they hide a few avis and have decent wifi

[proper basalt]

hi guys

[jagged sequoia]

hi

[fathom oxide]

does this mean that people who used the illegal sdk are gonna get banned because it sounds like alot of people are gonna get banned like alot alot

[proper basalt]

i hear everyone talking about this new quest update

and how their avis are messed up

[jagged sequoia]

yes

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/rcsitastark-glee-quinn-fabray-season2-s2-gif-25145842

[silent horizon]

i doubt theyll be banned

[fathom oxide]

oh ok

[daring dust]

That would be a LOT of people

[proper basalt]

like half the vrc population?

[silent horizon]

or if they do vrc would get fucked significantly. There are an annoying amount of people who use modded sdks for it to look better and its likely that a lot of people would be complaining if they got banned from vrc

[jagged sequoia]

the vast majority of the vrchat user base never uploads anything so no that would not be half

[silent horizon]

im pretty sure like 70% of the vrc creators out there use modded sdks

[craggy glacier]

56% of numbers are made up on the spot

[fathom oxide]

yeah i think so😭

[proper basalt]

i was exaggerating

[fathom oxide]

probably

[proper basalt]

😭

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-giving-birth-screaming-scream-gif-16290237

[proper basalt]

girl the gifs

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-sad-crying-heartbroken-gif-18125592

[proper basalt]

well i just wanted some info

so ig this is cool, ima scroll up

[silent horizon]

there are a lot of people who dont know how to make shit that looks decent so what they do is they get recomended an sdk that can allow for things to make it look better. And most people who get into this shit usually dont ever try to get better. Atleast from what ive seen

[proper basalt]

i said.. "That's so bad" in caps...

so

[fathom oxide]

have you been on quest?

[silent horizon]

yes i was a quest user before i was a pc user

[fathom oxide]

ohh

well then dont you know how good he avatars used to be😭

https://tenor.com/view/enchantedwilow-gif-19635291

[silent horizon]

i do know what they used to look like and they still look like shit compared to pc

[daring dust]

Me when I load in and everything looked bad on my avatars

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/olivia-rodrigo-favrodrigos-gif-gif-8012142076761436079

[jagged sequoia]

basically a bunch of folks were outing themselves as using modded sdks
because they were using those to do illegal things to their avatars but there's also been some folks who
use completely vanilla sdks who are having issues so it's a bit of a mess trying to figure out what's going on

[silent horizon]

and to be fair as well its also because of bad lighting

[fathom oxide]

i wonder whyyyy😭

[proper basalt]

might be another glitchy update

[silent horizon]

sadly a lot of the worlds on vrc have the worst lighting imaginable and then the avatars look like shit because of it

[fathom oxide]

but they dont even reflect light anymore, they lost reflection and specular

[jagged sequoia]

the people using modded sdks that might be closer to intended Behavior stopping them from using illegal shaders?

[silent horizon]

before the update atleast

[fathom oxide]

this world had the most beuatiful lighting but now the avatar is just flat

[fathom oxide]

yeah before the update

[proper basalt]

pc shaders?

[fathom oxide]

is my friend gonna go to jail?

[proper basalt]

wdym illegal?

[proper basalt]

oh!

[calm monolith]

oh.

[proper basalt]

i hope not!

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-sad-crying-heartbroken-gif-18125592

[jagged sequoia]

no they just might get banned from vrchat

[silent horizon]

honestly i doubt vrc will ever ban the people using modded sdks

[proper basalt]

me too

[fathom oxide]

ohh

[jagged sequoia]

two people who admitted to it got banned from the Discord

[rich geyser]

yeah sorry they're getting 25-life.

[silent horizon]

from vrc atleast

[fathom oxide]

then they would get rid of almost the entire avatar creator community😭

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/trisha-cry-sad-gif-15944198

[silent horizon]

if they had a difinitive way of knowing who uploaded what using a modded sdk the amount of people who would be banned is ridiculous

[jagged sequoia]

that is not going to be the case

[proper basalt]

there's so many avi creators i know who use modded sdks

[silent horizon]

exactly

i think what vrc is doing rn makes sense

theyre basically just removing your need to use a modded sdk

[fathom oxide]

is it because you guys made the update to get rid of the good avatar stuff

[proper basalt]

ig shutting them out and making their avis worse is better than banning

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-sad-i-just-want-somebody-to-love-me-upset-gif-16205734

[proper basalt]

like hours of work

GONE

[jagged sequoia]

I don't work for vrchat

[fathom oxide]

ohhh

[proper basalt]

that didnt answer her question

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-quinn-fabray-mad-rage-gif-7940342

[daring dust]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-brittany-pierce-i-feel-so-terrible-i-feel-so-bad-i-feel-terrible-gif-17674068

[daring dust]

Me without the good avatars

[proper basalt]

if ur going out to help people pls answer questions properly or to the best of ur ability instead of avoiding or saying the same thing as last time without a proper link

[silent horizon]

like ill admit when i first started making avis i tried a modded sdk cause i didnt realize that it was against the TOS (i did not read the TOS and lets be fair no one does) and i did stop cause i realized it was against the tos and a lot of the draw for using it was specifically the fact you could have ao detail on avis. Now that is no longer the case. What i did figure out though is that its not incredibly hard to just bake ao detail into the base color through a process in blender.

[jagged sequoia]

But to answer the question vrchat does tend to try to stamp out any modding

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-brittana-santana-lopez-brittany-pierce-hug-gif-17268379

its ok aquire well make it out or atleas well try

its kinda impossible but hopefully well survive

[calm monolith]

any sane person would not fully read a tos lets be real😭

[proper basalt]

i dont bake avatars

[proper basalt]

YES

[silent horizon]

yeah if you read the full TOS your a psychopath

[jagged sequoia]

then don't be surprised when you hit the consequences of it

[proper basalt]

but the loading screenss

[silent horizon]

i eventually found out it was against it so i stopped of course

[green saddle]

The TOS was shorter than I expected
I read it because of an argument I got into with a friend lol

[rich geyser]

good thing theres any easy to read TLDR of the TOS called the community guidelines

[silent horizon]

if i read the TOS of all the accounts i have id have spent a year reading

like its absurd how long some are now adays

[fathom oxide]

lol

[silent horizon]

like the full google TOS is stupidly long

[calm monolith]

microsoft

[proper basalt]

my friends were tryna make some christmas avis and this kinda ruined it for them

[daring dust]

Tbh don't be upset when a lot of people leave vrc because all there work got ruined

[jagged sequoia]

honestly if they were uploading very poor avatars they weren't doing a good job at Avatar making

[calm monolith]

hours, even DAYS of work wasted

[jagged sequoia]

if they were using a modded SDK they knew they were playing with fire

[silent horizon]

if you care that much about quest avis just join a pc community and then youll be fine

[proper basalt]

but it looked beautiful?

[daring dust]

Almost every avatar that's not a cube says very poor...

[silent horizon]

you can usually find some really nice pc communities that dont worry about uploading stuff for quest

[calm monolith]

HELP

[proper basalt]

Right!

[rich geyser]

This just in folks, a limited platform has limitations to it!

[silent horizon]

yeah honestly the quest is ass

[daring dust]

Or poor and they would still Run fine

[jagged sequoia]

is irrelevant to the point of the intentionally breaking the rules

[silent horizon]

it has zero longevity

[fathom oxide]

ive asked alot of people and none of them had lag issues, the "limitations" worked fine before

i play on pc and i hve quest frends

[rich geyser]

oh no what do you mean my glorified mobile phone cant run raytraced game at 8k 144fps

[fathom oxide]

and they had no issues

[proper basalt]

you changed the point yourself, you changed the convo to optimization

[jagged sequoia]

honestly poor avatars are a lot better than very poor ones performance-wise because they have a cap on resource usage

[fathom oxide]

🤯

[proper basalt]

not modded sdk usage

[silent horizon]

it works nicely for a few months then everything just starts to get super slow in every game, your tracking gets worse, and the only way to fix it is a full factory reset

[calm monolith]

😭

[silent horizon]

and even then that only works for a few short months again

[daring dust]

My point was both poor and very poor run perfectly fine...

[jagged sequoia]

mostly because it honestly comes to the same of skill issue
because they don't actually know how to design their content to fit within the quest limitations

[daring dust]

It literally just depends what's in and on the avatars

[fathom oxide]

im pretty sure quest has alot of limitations theres hardly anything you can do

[daring dust]

And not the transparency

[fathom oxide]

i think thats why so many people used the other sdk

[calm monolith]

confirmable

[daring dust]

Exactly

https://tenor.com/view/trisha-paytas-trisha-paytas-looking-around-confused-um-umm-gif-706771132753148239

[silent horizon]

i know how to im just lazy and dont half the time lol so my stuff on quest all i really do is change the shader and then change the size of the images

[rich geyser]

quest has limitations for a reason because you are using a slightly stronger than normal phone

[fathom oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-cheerleader-cute-dianna-agron-gif-17060904

[proper basalt]

I think she knows that already

[daring dust]

Fr

Likeeee

[fathom oxide]

We arent using nokias thoo

https://tenor.com/view/nokia-cep-telefonu-tam35-gif-dünya-gif-12498299

[daring dust]

Y'all treating us like we're dumb

[proper basalt]

oh!

[calm monolith]

BYEEE

[fathom oxide]

thats what a nokia looks like btw

[daring dust]

exactly

[proper basalt]

wow the nokia looks sooooo goodd!

[calm monolith]

samsung smart fridge

[rich geyser]

You cannot expect the same level of fidelity that youd get on a pc. Of course things aren't going to look great, or have every single bell and whistle.

[proper basalt]

i play vrchat on that/j

[jagged sequoia]

that also has to render everything twice so it has less resources to spend on pretty compared to your phone only having to do 30 frames per second once

[calm monolith]

real

[daring dust]

again y'all treating us like we're dumb