quest-development

[wraith jewel]

Yes the gpu is weak af but it's x2+ better then the og headset. Plus there is still no 90fps in quest 2 it limit to 72-75fps

[fair tinsel]

yeah but they probably don't change the content limit so that the frame rate stays higher on average

[south lily]

@wraith jewel technically, but i dought it, itd be something id implement but itd have issues

[surreal pendant]

camera when?

[quasi sphinx]

Belongs in #avatar-search-old. Also, there's a world with a ton of One Piece avatars already, just search "One Piece" in worlds and you'll find it.

[coral cipher]

[mellow zenith]

Hey guys, i was wondering if the camera on the pc version of vrchat will ever be released on the oculus quest version.

[wraith jewel]

how can i make this cube transperant

[south lily]

@wraith jewel set it to standard and set it to transparent then mess with its alpha to make it a certain opacity. if its supposed to be something you cant see, make a cube with no normals

[lament owl]

WIP still, but: Projected lighting influence in CATS bake. Left is typical emission, Right is the quest version with light influence baked to the emission channel!

[fair tinsel]

very nice

[upper whale]

back yet again, with some great tools that i highly recommend anyone to manage the insanity of making large projects cross platform

Unity Search & Replace let me do in seconds what i would otherwise require several hours or even a day for. Replacing shaders, simplfiying materials, its really epic

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/utilities/project-search-replace-55680

@vale sierra i have started from PC version again and now this is the current result, so there are more textures displaying but still not all of them:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818355284976074782/818669920602292264/157980349_123217079808869_5125409202540491918_o.jpg?width=559&height=559
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818355284976074782/818669918219665428/158128718_123216663142244_4316550140696512591_o.jpg

[vale sierra]

what the hell

i don't get it

[upper whale]

any more ideas when you see this?

[vale sierra]

what are the texture file formats?

[upper whale]

same perspective as last pic, but in editor

[upper whale]

mostly PNG

[vale sierra]

resolution?

[upper whale]

it depends they are usually 1k or 2k and then have max size compression override for android

so for example the statue on the left has 1k texture, it is compressed to max size 512 for quest version using RGB Compressed DXT1

[upper whale]

and i should also say that another answer to this question is: the same as worked perfectly fine in the previous quest version

[vale sierra]

and theres no discernible difference between the textures that show up and those that don't?

so weird

[upper whale]

im looking but i cant necessarily see anything

@full condor oh wise sage of lighting and knower of unity, are you able to weigh in on this?

[vale sierra]

is the ceiling and the wall the same texture?

[upper whale]

nope they are different

care to look at my screenshare @vale sierra maybe you can spot something i'm missing

[vale sierra]

sure, not gonna get on voice tho

[upper whale]

👍

[full condor]

you should purge all lightning stuff, GI cache included, close unity and then retry

[upper whale]

will try this again

[vale sierra]

I don't think its a lighting issue as it persisted in his last attempt when he had cleared lighting, and it is also specific to textures. If it was lighting it'd affect all meshes that were lightmapped

it was also affecting textures on particles when i checked on my quest

so that should rule out a lighting issue i think

[upper whale]

that new version is up now if you have time to give it a try @vale sierra

curious wether or not the ceilings look any different

[vale sierra]

sorry, now's not a good time for me to get in vr

[upper whale]

alright thanks anyway!!

[vale sierra]

in my experience, incompatible shaders show up as pink, and incompatible textures show up as black

but i just cant see why it would be the case here

[full condor]

cleared lighting and gi cache ?

[upper whale]

@full condor yes, both, and the problem still persists

[upper whale]

@full condor @vale sierra turns out it was the image format after all, i changed the artworks and ceiling to RGBA Compressed ETC2 8 Bits and now they show up

[vale sierra]

woo nice

what was it before again?

[upper whale]

DXT1 or DXT5

crunched

[vale sierra]

aaah I missed that

if you want crunched compression ETC/ETC2 should work

I think DXT1/5 doesn't work on mobile gpu's

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/class-TextureImporterOverride.html

shucks, should have noticed that earlier

[upper whale]

well imglad i figured it out lol

been stuck on this since friday morning and making whole days trying to fix it lol

thats like 5x12 hours rofl

[glad shadow]

Well that's going in my toolkit as a error

[upper whale]

here is proof that it was perfectly fine in the previous quest version i made

so maybe something happened in the recent SDK update that changed that

[glad shadow]

But that's just the override for PC

What do you have as the default?

[upper whale]

oops let me grab the right tab for that override setting

well anyway yeah @glad shadow if you could let your tool check for incompatible compression formats that would be a lifesaver aparently

[glad shadow]

I'm in the progress of adding it currently

[upper whale]

epic

[upper whale]

thanks again for listening to my wailing and all the help over the past week, im really glad its fixed and also that some of the suffering is being put to use for the benefit of others with your tool @glad shadow

and @vale sierra you too thanks very much for your time and attention

[glad shadow]

Next person might not have to suffer so long thanks to your sacrifice 😅

[upper whale]

💯 🙌

amazing tool you're making

[glad shadow]

Also found the bug that was missing the one gameobject you had

[upper whale]

ohhh epic

oh and one more thing i think i may have spotted but not sure, does the tool also look inside SBSAR materials to check what shader they're set to use?

i think its pretty bad practice anyway to not bake the textures and pack the whole sbsar instead, when making quest worlds

[glad shadow]

I don't have any special substance handling right now

Might need to look into it but I always bake my stuff in substance painter

[barren peak]

Quest mirrors... how do they work

not sure if I broke anything but dont wanna touch stuff lol

[daring dock]

might wanna test it

[upper whale]

does anyone know where i can find Unity Cache Server windows download? For some reason i keep being directed to a github page but there are no releases there only source code

[barren holly]

question: what optimizations do i have to make for a world to bequest compatable? im new to developing worlds and im making onefor my friends.

[south lily]

@barren holly do you accept "everything:" as an answer?

[ebon goblet]

so idk if this is a quest thing or what but no matter what i do my bf's model is hidden for me

he's also on quest atm

[south lily]

@ebon goblet set your perf settings lower

[ebon goblet]

It was already set to none

[south lily]

copy their avatar and see if it shows up

[ebon goblet]

It's a private avi

[south lily]

oh, then im not sure how to show a quest avatar that is obvs above 12,000 polies without cloning them

[midnight gulch]

@ebon goblet Does he show up as the robot or as the crystal guy?

[ebon goblet]

Perf blocked robo

[midnight gulch]

Can others see him?

Are you on Quest or PC?

[ebon goblet]

Idk it was just him and I tonight

I'm on a quest 2

[midnight gulch]

@south lily I’ve seen Quest avatars with way more than 12,000 polygons though. I don’t think that’s the issue.

[south lily]

@midnight gulch cloning^^^^^^

[midnight gulch]

I just hit “show avatar”, no cloning involved.

@ebon goblet Maybe it’s a download size issue, how many MB is their avatar?

[ebon goblet]

I don't remember

And I can't look rn I'm in bed

[midnight gulch]

Kk, well ask next time he’s online. That might be it. 🙌 🤷‍♂️ Good luck!

[fallen portal]

Question, is there a list for supported Image Formats for Quest?

I attempted to use DX1 Compressed RGB, and it shows up as Black for the Quest

[glad shadow]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/blob/4593cff8ad6e104ebb954db5616fa9ce1929088b/Scripts/Editor/VRWTDataStructures.cs#L122
I listed the unsupported ones here in a array for detection, check the link for the full documentation

[fallen portal]

Gotcha

Is there any format thats recomended besides RGB EC Crunch?

I see the list of most of the unsupported are the ones I was kinda interested >.>''

[glad shadow]

ASTC is what is recommended by Oculus
https://developer.oculus.com/blog/tech-note-unity-settings-for-mobile-vr/

[fallen portal]

Gotcha

[fallen portal]

Wanted to give the heads up that ASTC worked perfectly and helped a ton with my size stuff

Thanks for the help!

[glad shadow]

Nice 👌

[lone cairn]

my quest 2 is not pairing with my phone and i cant find it on bluetooth, can i get someones help with this??

[inland pagoda]

Hey I just had a question. There are users, like myself, who don't care about choppy framerate. Is there going to be a toggle to enable the ability to see all avatars without having to manually go through each one and enable them at some point?

[south lily]

i dont think so, however the poly limit has gone up by double so you may not have to

[wraith jewel]

There is a way in safety settings you just have to go by rank and enable all

[vale anvil]

to enable all avatar features for everyone just click "none" in safety settings

[humble obsidian]

Hey does anyone know if vrc + is coming to quest?

[vale anvil]

probably not for a bit but I'm pretty sure it will eventually

[whole vortex]

There is a way to do it. If you link your steam account to vr chat. You could buy it through steam

[fiery plinth]

Hello. I noticed that there was an update recently. Unfortunately, my Microfone hasn't worked since then. Yesterday we went without any problems. Only since the update it spins. It's only in vrchat. I'm just a quest player.

I have already restarted the vr glasses. Etc

[vital shuttle]

Same! That happened to me too! Yesterday it was fine, but today it isn’t!

[inland pagoda]

i've got a question. will there be any plans to implement finger tracking for oculus quest?

[fiery plinth]

But I can tell you that it is unfortunately due to VRchat itself. I'm not expecting or changing anything. It's very bad not to be able to play properly.

[inland pagoda]

I've been using Quest 2 and it works for me. I think it might be a Quest 1 issue because another person I came across had the same problem and is on a 1.

[lusty crystal]

It's not working with the quest 2 either.

The Microphone,

[wraith jewel]

Its working for me and my friends but sometimes the voice audio... It keeps going like I can't hear them anymore but I can see that their name is lighting up when they talk.. Its happened to other people I know aswell

[wraith jewel]

can somone make me a avatar for free pls~ it doesnt have to be good just anime boy cuz yk but anything else you can chose

[wooden lichen]

Beggar

[wraith jewel]

So which one of these do I need to install to upload to quest?

[wraith jewel]

Do you think Quest will ever allow more than 10MB avatars?

I make my models PC & Quest compatible but sometimes I find it challenging because of the limit and have to lower my texture quality to have them uploadable

[vestal ravine]

i sure as hecc hope they dont.

way too many people with bad wifi connections, and honestly i wish they were stricter with the 10 mb limit. i wish they could just make it so that it didnt allow you to upload at all unless you met the limit. it would hopefully convince more people to actually optimize stuff. especially since ive never even personally ran into the limit anyway.

[crystal pawn]

When will Dynamic Bones be supported on the quest?

[fair tinsel]

it's unlikely to ever be supported because it's too expensive performance-wise

[silver hamlet]

hifAC X

[paper mist]

So i recently had a problem with vrchat freezing and now it doesent load, i logged in with a new account and it just never loads, the bar stays at 0

any fixes?

[copper plinth]

Any idea as to why this is just showing up as a green square in game?

[plush temple]

Check that render queue dropdown, you may want to change it to something else.

I believe one of the options is transparent, for example. Transparent objects must be drawn after everything else for the blending to work correctly.

So it's on a separate layer entirely.

[keen valley]

Does anyone know if they sent out a patch that fixes the quest 1's mic break that happened earlier?

[plush temple]

Personally, I fixed it by unplugging my third party mic, uninstalling Nvidia HD audio drivers, uninstalling the Occulus app and drivers and then re-downloading and re-installing it.

I never plug in any more mics and I always stop nvidia from installing it's audio drivers. No clue which part of this fixed it, but at least I can get my mic working through Quest link if I re-launch it a few times.

Might help, idk, other than that no, I don't think they've fixed it yet.

[frosty swift]

if anyone here is good with adding features for world development I posted in the world-development channel looking for some help with something

[wraith jewel]

Is there a client that lets me use the vrchat cameras on quest 2

[vale anvil]

Not at the moment I don’t think so, the client would have to access your quest photos and save the images you take to there, the simplest way to do it without getting banned is to not use a client and buy a pc

[silent vapor]

Any way to have a decimated avatar without the textures breaking? I tried to decimate it but the textures I've broke heavily so i currently had to upload my avatars as very poor. Can i do something about that? Redoing the textures isn't an option. Even with almost 20k polys it doesn't look good. My avatar is currently 60k polys.

Oh i used CATS to decimate

Which also introduced weird issues like after exporting i suddenly had 2 body meshes.

The max i would go down in polys would be to 15k as everything below just already doesn't look good at all.

[plush temple]

I wouldn't be surprised if decimating it yourself may provide better results. CATS isn't the end all.

It actually causes more harm than good in a variety of situations.

If it still has issues (it should not, but just incase) you'll want to look into texture baking between your high poly and low poly model: https://amp.reddit.com/r/blender/comments/1egnqp/how_do_you_transfer_textures_from_one_mesh_to/

[maiden tundra]

can sobody say why on my quest version map one eye it look normal and on the ather eye its black sobody say to me like that whats the problem here?

[woeful elk]

I was told to remove the camera from the world and recreate it then upload, but I'm not 100% sure what that means except I hear it works.

[maiden tundra]

@woeful elk thx but i fix it dont know why it fixet but the only think that i done is remove the old sdk and add new version one and also i reuploadet the quest version then it was ok

[woeful elk]

Oh, nice. Hey, whatever works. Lol

[maiden tundra]

👍

[old wharf]

Hopefully someone can modify the quest into a Oculus PC

So i can see everyone's avatars

[silent vapor]

You can with link cable or VD

[grizzled wasp]

Well I love the bug where I can’t talk lol 😂 and you go through the settings for a hour straight guess time to try and connect it.

[heady magnet]

is there a way for oculus to have a camera on vrc without plugging into a pc

[south lily]

there are worlds now that provide a camera that quest users can use

[frigid acorn]

is there a way for oculus 2 users to move around without teleporting?

[south lily]

@frigid acorn turn off holoport in the main settings

[night prairie]

Yep

[unreal flax]

When will they add a camera for quest

[vale anvil]

not for recording on quest sadly, the quest does not pick up mic audio when recording.

[lament owl]

oh! That's not an issue, that's actually a feature

Vertices attached to a mesh with active blendshapes have a waaay higher gpu cost than ones attached to a non-blenshape skinned mesh. So, even though the VRChat importer detects it as 'worse', actual profiling proves it to be better. It bakes in the vertex normals before splitting so it's super hard to see the difference

As far as texture packing... CATS bake uses blender's default square packing, which is... not that good. Basically considers each island a square, then packs the squares... wastes a lot of space but often works out a little better than naiive atlassing

However! If you install and enable UVPackmaster Pro, it takes advantage of it, getting much better results. (but uh, it's a paid addon)

If you atlas your textures yourself, you can turn off the UVMap generation completely: it'll just bake everything into whatever layout it is now

[viscid marten]

Any updates on the camera function for the quest

[south lily]

theres a camera in the qht :0

[viscid marten]

But like a legit camera built into vrchat! All the pics in the qht is in first person

[narrow compass]

I’ve got a question

Which is better VR (am talking about the quest two VR) or the PlayStation 5?

[frank thorn]

I personally like quest 2 with link cable the best.

[pulsar sage]

quest 2, because you can actually buy it lol.

[tawdry depot]

I really like the quest

[plush magnet]

I setup a fresh av3 project today for quest, but building is failing with errors like Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Scripts/ShaderStripping/StripPostProcessing.cs(4,19): error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Build' does not exist in the namespace 'UnityEditor' (are you missing an assembly reference?)

[south lily]

what version unity? and you made sure to use the avatar 3.0 sdk right?

[plush magnet]

yes i have av3 sdk, unity 2018.4.20f1

sdk version is 2021.03.22.18.26

[south lily]

try reimport it

[plush magnet]

okay

nope, same errors.

i'll restart unity

still same

[real copper]

Im suffering with crashing aswell

[south lily]

@plush magnet does the same issue occur when you make another fresh project?

[plush magnet]

i mean i can see but i don't see anything changing

[real copper]

Everytime i switch to android with the sdk installed or switch to it and install the sdk and it gets to the "damagenogreyalpha.png" file unity crashes because of a sigill

[south lily]

@real copper could you elab? were you switching via the sdk or thru the build settings?

[real copper]

I try both ways

Always crashes on that file

[south lily]

wheres that file from?

[real copper]

Its in the sdk

[south lily]

thats a weird file for unity to get stuck on. im not sure whats causing it but i also dont see much harm just deleting that png

[real copper]

Oh no its a dependencie

If i try to delete it that ALSO leads to a crash

this is the latest crash log

[south lily]

thats odd

[plush magnet]

same errors

this time i set the build settings to android, then imported the vrcsdk and the model

... ffs that model package also included the VRCSDK

that explains it, probably

i usually check for that but it's been awhile

[south lily]

about to say. if the model has the sdk, its probs a different version sdk and is causing issues

[plush magnet]

this is why i always check. except for when i forget. thanks for putting up with me >_>

[real copper]

i finally fixed mine

[plush magnet]

ditto

[wraith jewel]

Will cameras come to quest? If anyone knows

[vale anvil]

For streaming definitely not, but for pictures it might

[wraith jewel]

Ok

[wraith jewel]

I hope so

[mighty cove]

DLSS when 😛

[obsidian aurora]

How I fix this?

[vale anvil]

You don’t need o remove those shaders just hit publish

[obsidian aurora]

I did but i dont show in labs why

[obsidian aurora]

See its there n OMG ima cry i got a report is way to check that?

I cant click it or im stupid but like to know why got a report

[south lily]

theres always a starter report for some reason

[mint bluff]

RF

XXCXC

PLS HELP

[empty horizon]

HII pleas help me with that... i have a world for pc and quest user ... but thr quest user cant see the mirror , TV , pen and other things
what should i do !!!

[vale anvil]

Quest can see the mirror and pens, but the tv will not work there should be something in the docs or YouTube

[empty horizon]

they cant see the mirror and pens x(

[vale anvil]

interesting, did you change the shaders for them?

If you did don't

[empty horizon]

to be honest i dont know a lot about that ... how and what should be there ?

i can show you if you want

[empty horizon]

,

i really need to fix it like in 1 hour max xD cuz i have to update my world

[last breach]

Pls anyone here know how to do uploading of file for quest

[spice bloom]

Is there a good way to test the quest version of your world without uploading it if you don't have a quest?

[south lily]

there was a public emulator. but it got removed and it didnt really change the colors to how quest users would see the world so it didnt help much at all. @spice bloom id try to scurge around until you find someone with unity expierience or are good at trouble shooting with a quest come and test for you

[icy elk]

Im just curious what is the timetable as of right now of when vrchat will be updated from 2018 to 2019? thanks

[south lily]

summer

[snow bobcat]

My vrchat keeps crashing every ten seconds I load up the game,I'm on quest 1

Does anyone know how to fix

[icy elk]

thanks @south lily

[wraith jewel]

I need help

[topaz flax]

What's up

[copper plinth]

Does anyone know what the last SDK with the correct additive particle shader was?

In the current SDK all vrchat mobile particle shaders are broken and in previous builds additive and multiply looked identical

[narrow compass]

Are able to link your alt Facebook account to your main oculus account?

[fervent hemlock]

Chance that your alt will get banned is high and you will lost oculus account along with it.

[fair tinsel]

and potentially render it where you couldn't use your headset ever again

[narrow compass]

Aww

That’s rude

Plus my main Facebook account got disabled or something for no reason

And it’s stupid to HAVE to connect your Facebook account to your oculus account

Cant Facebook and oculus think of simpler way like link your Game Center or google account

(Sorry for the vent)

[rose thistle]

Facebook owns oculus. That's why it's like that

[narrow compass]

Oof

[median coyote]

are generic animations possible on quest?

[narrow compass]

Is there anyway to get it back?

[fair tinsel]

nope not really as you're only allowed one to Facebook account if you try to make a new one to evade a ban it's likely to get kicked as well

[narrow compass]

But my main got blocked or disabled for nothing and I did nothing wrong (even though I haven’t used that account in weeks/months)

[narrow compass]

What if I say ‘back-up’

[fair tinsel]

nope you're only supposed to have one Facebook account according to Facebook

[narrow compass]

Well that’s stupid

I just hope I don’t get banned or block or anything like that cus am buying a quest2 soon

Soo it’s best to use my backup email to merge it with the back up other one

I need stop worrying about it

[fair tinsel]

yeah Facebook's policies are very concerning and I would see if you can run that Facebook account awhile without getting banned before hitting purchase so you don't end up with a paperweight

[ebon sable]

This convinces me to not bother with uploading Quest versions of my avatars anymore. Afaik Quest users have to show the avatars, as in they aren't visible by default so it should be their choice if they want to load that or not. But well more basic Quest avatars visible for every Quest user. 😛

I also have no idea where that 100 MB comes from, it's 1,85 MB on the PC version.

I actually found the culprit for the 100 MB, there was "Legacy Blend Shapers Normals" not ticked (other avatars had that ticked by default) and that apparently caused that.

[keen tartan]

Hey, i'm trying to upload a quest port to an existing pc avatar but the sdk doesn't let me press the build and publish button for android for some reason. i did porting before and this has never happened

[frosty tapir]

Disable the other avatar in the scene and try again. The other one likely has SDK errors

[keen tartan]

ahh ok thanks, that worked

[cloud sedge]

Hey does anyone know how to have world particles follow your hand? I’ve tried spring joints, rigid bodies, fixed joints, parent constraints and a lot of weird stuff, but vrchat blocks it like some pack of flies, any ideas on how to fix this?

[fallen portal]

If your using udon, use a script to teleport the particle emitter to players hand joints

[sacred marsh]

When a dual mode world instance is created by a PC user, is the Quest instance actually 'there' and running even if there are no quest users currently in the world? I'm having issues where items are toggled on by a user in the PC side, and the Quest users don't see it.

[dense tendon]

Hello! I uploaded my first world the other day for both PC and Quest and there seems to be some drastic inconsistencies with the Quest version of the world. While things like the main structure of the world, lighting and so on all show where they are supposed to, any triggerable items like buttons, chairs, and mirrors are in vastly different positions (sometimes in the wall or out of the map) for Quest users. Stranger still they are in different locations for different Quest users from testing with some friends. What could cause all of these interactables to be so inconsistent but only for Quest?

[fair tinsel]

does the object hierarchy differ between the PC & Quest the versions of the map

[dense tendon]

Nope, literally just switched to 'android' build version in Unity and left all the hierarchy the same

and turned off a couple things like some reflection stuff/post processing for the quest users

but otherwise order-wise it's all the same

[south lily]

do you have anything that creates/instantiates prefabs when runtime?

do you have a parent/child changer?

[dense tendon]

I don't believe so, it's a pretty simple little world with some like, chairs and mirror

[dense bloom]

So for Quest avatars, do I just do the same thing as normal, or is there a different process

[south lily]

for worlds or avatar?

[dense bloom]

Avatar

[dense bloom]

Also, If I made a avatar in unity the normal way, would I be able to use it on the quest 2 by logging in?

[south lily]

so quest avatars are a little different. you have to use the vrc/mobile shaders and its recommended to use 1 mesh for 1 material slot. also to have less than 7,500 poligons

[dense bloom]

Ok

I’m pretty sure I’m currently using the VRC shaders because I had none applied, but then again, I’m new to making avatars.

But I know I have one material, and one mesh, with under 7,500 polygons

[south lily]

then all you need is to switch build to android

[wraith jewel]

Can some one tell me if you can just use a regular 3D scene in u it’s to create a avatar

[south lily]

what do you mean?

[wraith jewel]

Like if I was going to make a world rather than building what I want in the world like a house do I just make my avatar

Or is their like a different place to do it

It’s a weird question

Also if I go to make a new project what do I do if it says project path does not exist I made worlds before and never had an issue and when I switched to the 2020.3.7f1 it doesn’t open

[south lily]

im not sure what youre asking. and do you mean your. unity is 2020.3.7f1?

you need to 2018.4.20f1

[wraith jewel]

Oh

So if I had 2019 anything it wouldn’t work either

[south lily]

correct. where are you getting this information?

[frosty tapir]

Unity versions higher than Unity 2018.4.20f1 can and sometimes will appear to work completely fine with the SDK, that is right up until you want to upload something.
See, when you upload something from a unity version higher than the one in use by VRChat the uploaded content will not appear / work in-game.

[wraith jewel]

I have no idea I downloaded unity a while ago and left it and when I came back I tried adding a module to the 2018 one through the installs of unity hub but their was no option for it but I was able to add modules to the 2020 one

[wraith jewel]

Oh alright Thankyou

Sorry I have a lot of questions but I have a few more

If I wanted to make an avatar would I just choose the 3d template on 2018.4.20f1

[frosty tapir]

yes

[wraith jewel]

Ok ok one sec I’ll try it

Do I need to set the location to anywhere specific

[south lily]

preferibly in your c drive but technically you could put unity anywhere

[wraith jewel]

Ok

When I created it it’s says project path does not exist when I click on the name

[south lily]

good lord thats a big image plz hold lol

[wraith jewel]

Oh sorry 😂

[frosty tapir]

What was the location you set the project to be in?

[wraith jewel]

Applications

[frosty tapir]

I don't know where that exact location is so give me a second. I imagine you put it in a spot that Unity does not have access to

[wraith jewel]

Oh alright

[frosty tapir]

Just dump it into your documents / downloads folder

[south lily]

was this in a different drive?

[wraith jewel]

I’ll try it

[wraith jewel]

Wdym

It’s still saying it

[south lily]

can you find the applications folder its referencing?

[wraith jewel]

Wait a min

Three different unities just opened and they have little timers on them and their is a pop up that has a loading bar that says unity package manager

It might be working

[south lily]

that sounds good. but question. how many unity versions do you have installed?

[wraith jewel]

Two

Because it won’t let me delete the 2020 one but I am using the 2018 one

[south lily]

ok. just make sure when the project opens that its using the 2018.4.20 version

[wraith jewel]

Alright

[frosty tapir]

Inside the file directory for each Unity version there's a executable called "uninstall.exe" does this not work either?

Like so.

[wraith jewel]

I’ll try that in a min becuase the little pop up is still loading

What does this mean

[frosty tapir]

What does what mean exactly?

[wraith jewel]

That pic sorry

I’m in class so I might be slow to respond

Some weird stuff is happening

The two on the right just popped up

[frosty tapir]

That seems to be a relatively common issue with MacOSX and attempting to load the Android build of Unity, why exactly I'm not sure. (I don't use Apple computers at all)

[wraith jewel]

Yeh I couldn’t get a gaming pc so I tried with this

[south lily]

i cant load the image but if youre using a mac. you may need to install a module for pc building

[frosty tapir]

Only other thing I could find was a bug report about it in 2018 on Unity. But it was labeled as "Not Reproducible" so

[south lily]

give me a minute or 2 to download image. i might recognize

[frosty tapir]

GetManagerFromContext: pointer to object of manager 'MonoManager' is NULL (table index 5)

Is what it says

[wraith jewel]

Wait it all just opened this

[frosty tapir]

Oh, well I guess it's working ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wraith jewel]

So it may have worked idk how but it might have

[south lily]

that happens sometimes. if its a crash error then im thinking its something else but you should be fine

was it a starting blocker?

[wraith jewel]

Idk thank you tho both

[frosty tapir]

Dunno, looks like OP was on the building a project part when it happened.

[south lily]

are you able to send screenshots instead? these images will not load

oh yep. thats normal

idk why that occurs either. but it doesnt break anything

[wraith jewel]

Is it alright if I add u both cuz I’m going to work on it more after school and I’ll prob have more questions

[wraith jewel]

Nah sorry I’m on my phone and I don’t have discord on it

[frosty tapir]

Just ask in the most relevant channel to your Question

[south lily]

i think its better to ask here so if we dk the answer to something. someone else might

[wraith jewel]

Oh alright

[wraith jewel]

How do I download the android sdk for 2018.4.20f1

And do I only need just that sdk

Because the website is talking about like ndks and jdks

It talks about the sdk but I can’t find the link to it

[south lily]

if youre on mac. you should have android support by default as its mobile device support

[wraith jewel]

Oh so I don’t even need to download it or switch it to android

[south lily]

if not. there should be a “install modules” button in your build settings

[frosty tapir]

Go to your build settings and click Android

[south lily]

yea. but whenever you want to switch to pc will be when youd might need to download the module for

[wraith jewel]

Build settings as in Cntrl shift b

[frosty tapir]

yes, that

[wraith jewel]

Ok

The switch platform button is grayed out

[frosty tapir]

If you see this when you click on "Android", you do not have android build support installed.

[wraith jewel]

Yeh I don’t that’s what it looks like

[frosty tapir]

Click "Open Download Page" then

[wraith jewel]

Where’s that

[frosty tapir]

In the picture

It's right there

[wraith jewel]

Oh yeh

Ok

Oh it’s just downloading it

Once it’s downloaded how to I load it

[frosty tapir]

By executing the executable it downloaded?

[wraith jewel]

Wdym

[south lily]

mac doesnt use executibles

[wraith jewel]

I clicked open download page and it downloaded

[frosty tapir]

Looks like you're going to Unity hub then

[south lily]

itll be in unity hub i believe is where you start the instal

[wraith jewel]

Ok one sec let me try

[frosty tapir]

Go to unity hub -> Installs -> 3 dots at the top right of Unity 2018 -> Add modules

Ensure android build support is checked on

[wraith jewel]

That’s the weird thing

Theirs no option for add modules

[frosty tapir]

Did you install Unity 2018 through Unity hub?

[wraith jewel]

Yeh it’s right here

[frosty tapir]

No, you can add a installation of Unity that wasn't installed via Unity hub to it. Primarily just to make sorting it easier.

[south lily]

oh i cant download that image lol. but did you open unity hub from your build settings?

mac unity is set up slightly different and its been like 2 months since ive messed with modules

should be a modules download page somewhere in the hub

[wraith jewel]

Uh I just have unity hub as an application and I open it and when I click on my project it opens actual unity

[wraith jewel]

But where is the other unity tho

[south lily]

i think you have unity hub for your 2020 version i think. which may be the issue

[wraith jewel]

Oh

What if I’m not signed in

Would that matter

[south lily]

that might also matter. i think it asked when you try to download anything for unity

[wraith jewel]

Ok I’m going to sign in

I signed in and nothing changed

[south lily]

hmm.... do you have the unity 2018 installer? was there an add modules section that asks you for modules?

im looking thru an old chat and apparrently they got to the add modules pages from the installer

[wraith jewel]

What do u mean installer

I just closed it all and reopened it and all the kinds of unity are back

The 2020 2019 and 2018

[south lily]

the way you were able to get unity 2018.4.20f1 instaled

[wraith jewel]

Oh ok let me find that

I can’t find it

I found where it says it’s the only one that works but it doesn’t have a download link

Is it possible that their are different kinds of unity hubs

[south lily]

what shows up when you open unity hub?

technically? but there should be 1

[wraith jewel]

Becuase it allows me delete the 2020 version but the 2019 version is just removed off the screen

So it might be a 2019 version

It just shows my projects screen

[south lily]

umm. they should all show up

i wish i could see screenshots because i can’t remember what everything should look like

[wraith jewel]

It’s just my projects screen with all my projects

[south lily]

all i can really suggest is googling “how to add modules to unity on mac”

[wraith jewel]

I looked this issue up and they said to restore all unity editors including modules

Ima try it

If I’m on the website for unity 2018.4.20f1 how do I download it

I don’t see a download button

And I want to try one of the solution that someone had

Would it be component installer mac OS

Bruh I’m so confused

Becuase why did it let me uninstall 2020 but for 2019 and 2018 can I only remove from hub

[south lily]

thats weird. but mac unity in general, for installation. if very evil

[wraith jewel]

Yeh fr😂

Oh wait I’m onto something

[wraith jewel]

Ok ok

I deleted all versions of unity and then reinstalled just 2018 one but it’s says add modules to unity which one do I click

Android build support is checked off automatically

Is it just android build support being the correct one

[south lily]

you need android build, windows build. and i think thats it

[wraith jewel]

Ok so I checked off android build and windows build support (mono) is that the correct one

[south lily]

no make sure they are checked

you need them

[wraith jewel]

Yeh sorry those are the ones that are checked

Ok I’m installing it Thankyou so much for the help I really appreciate it

[wraith jewel]

I dont know if this is the correct spot to ask this or not. Will vrc+ ever come to oculus quest 2?

[vale anvil]

Probably not for a bit, but it will, there is no specific date

[wraith jewel]

You can buy it through steam

That’s how I got it on quest

[wraith jewel]

I'm going to guess you need a link cable and a pc or laptop?

[floral tendon]

Hello so i was playing but when i go in to a lobby then i only see robots dose anyone know how i can fix it and i cant her ant one cuz tay have a mute botten over there head i know how to un mute and mute but anyone pleas help me

[vale anvil]

Adjust your safety settings so avatars are on by default and people aren’t muted

[floral tendon]

thansk you do much no i can finerly play the game cuz i only swa my freds avitar

[vale anvil]

No problemo honey

[craggy acorn]

Hello everyone

I'm finding any program development projects.

Who has any projects now?

[tender aspen]

ayo, so i make a new project, import the sdk and my model. trying to upload a model to quest. ive done it before in a different project. project works fine when building to windows. as soon as i switch to android the SDK breaks and i get 999+ errors telling me there is no animator attatched to the gameobject. when i switched to windows it worked again, so i tried going back to android, nope.

there are no shaders in this project, no extra scripts, no dynamic bones or avatars with missing scripts its brand new i am so confused

[tender aspen]

SDK2 btw

[tender aspen]

reimported it twice. didnt work. decided to use an old sdk i had from a few months earlier. it worked. nice programming guys. ultra cool.

[fervent hemlock]

Does transparency even work before?

[sweet tundra]

No

It was only allowed in worlds

[shadow sonnet]

anyone ever make a videoplayer prefab that works with quest+pc?

heard something like the video file sizes have to be small. trying to figure out what id have to do to get a video in or how to allow vids from youtube :o

[vale sierra]

video players on quest work if you're using sdk3, but because the quest does not have youtube-dl, the videos you provide have to be direct links to video files in a compatible format, ie. mp4 h264 with aac audio. For youtube, you would have to download the videos using youtube-dl for example, and rehost it somewhere else where you can link it directly, such as dropbox, your own webserver, etc.

[south lily]

yea, there is a bot controlled videoplayer that appears to switch out youtube links with the raw mp4 (not 100% on the bot driven part, that was they theory we had). however i dont think this videoplayer is up for grabs

but if you were able to, you could make a bot driven videoplayer

[wraith jewel]

are yall gonna be adding dynamic bones to quest 2?

[south lily]

no dynamic bones. but something similar

give or take 5-22 months

[crimson cypress]

Ok

[wraith jewel]

Hello everyone! So I've been working on creating this world for VRC Quest users and So far I have a link to share, but I'm not sure how others would be able to find my world through this invite link. Example, if i send them the link through discord and they are using the headset how do they click the link on the quest? Thank you all and I'm always happy to make new friends 🙂

[dark sky]

You can log on into Discord through the Internet explorer thingy on the Quest

[wraith jewel]

Well they are slowly shelling out updates to vrchat due to short staffing and other thing please be patient with them

[leaden river]

yo

[buoyant current]

Y’know I hope they add flowing hair and stuff for the next update 😔

[stuck kettle]

hello i have question , when will quest have access to camera feature. as i know vrchat have so much cool stuff for pictures and icons. but its mostly all unlivable on quest as we dont have camera.? when will we get camera?

[snow ledge]

I hope they allow for an in-game avatar creator

Imagine modelling your avatar in VR. Perhaps it might make things easier for people who want to try it out like myself.

Perhaps it could make it harder but more available.

[south lily]

that just sounds evil but i can see whyd you asked oml

[kind sleet]

We need camera ui

[placid egret]

Anyone know why Unity would be constantly freezing and unresponsive when the build target is set to android, but fine otherwise?

[pulsar fox]

Searching my world everywhere for this freaking warning. What is the best way to find a given shader in a project?

[glad shadow]

The world debugger in my toolkit would list where they are
http://toolkit.onevr.dev/

[placid egret]

So I duplicated my project to make a quest version, but when I switched the build target to android via build settings the project becomes unresponsive constantly after moving the camera view or doing anything else. It also takes ages to load. Anyone know what could be causing this?

[gaunt spade]

do you have auto lightmapping enabled?

I have a quest question. When you publish for both and you make updates, do you need to reupload for both or will vrc handle the future conversions?

[vale anvil]

It’ll be a bit, to make a completely new dynamic bone system of their own that’s optimized to not destroy they quest is tricky,you gotta be patient. The vrchat team is working very hard.

[vale anvil]

You wouldn’t be able to use base models especially if this is on standalone quest.

[buoyant current]

🐻🖤

[placid egret]

You need to reupload for both

And I ended up just copying my entire windows project, renaming it, and switching it to build for android, solved the problem

[rose pendant]

Do both quest and PC version have to be exactly the same?

[vale sierra]

They don't, but the hierarchy for your scene in both versions need to be identical to prevent network syncing issues. You can just keep unwanted things disabled on either version or leave an empty game object in its place.

[rose pendant]

Nice, so even if I don't want to make 2 separate avatars, PC user will see the 70k poly version while quest users will see 20k poly version, right?

Thank you

[vale sierra]

oh, for avatars you can ignore the hierarchy thing, assumed you were talking about worlds

yeah, you can have a low poly quest version and a higher quality pc version uploaded to the same id

[rose pendant]

How about shaders and texture? Can it be different?
Since quest version doesn't have custom shaders, I'll have to make new texture for quest shaders

[vale sierra]

you are basically uploading 2 separate avatars to the same id, so you can change whatever you want

[rose pendant]

So it can be totally different from each other?

[vale sierra]

ideally you want to keep certain things the same like armature etc so things line up for someone looking at you from another platform but yeah

[rose pendant]

Like it can be a human on PC but quest version can be a unicorn?

[vale sierra]

yeah

[rose pendant]

whoops, now I've got some prank avatar ideas lol

[flat finch]

The have a question for the vrc team

When are quest users going to get avatar sounds

[vale anvil]

They will add it back eventually, right now they're focusing on the small things (I'm pretty sure) such as bug fixes and UI updates, it will be bit they're doing their best.

[tall atlas]

Are there any way to check why the Avatar size is big?
My model is 4MB, my textures 2MB, but the SDK said that my Avatar is 11MB but I can't find what causing this

I see, it's animations

The only way to test how Quest Avatar look like is asking someone to use my Avatar and wear VR to see it?
No way to impose those limits on PC?

[wise spindle]

my world seem to crash quests users on loading zzz

a way to get vrc logs on quests so i can take a peak at the issue ?

[south lily]

im not sure if quests keeps the logs it makes. and are usually less reliable. but question: did you add audiolink of any kind into the world @wise spindle ?

[wise spindle]

lol

yep

[south lily]

theres the problem lol

[wise spindle]

god bless ima quickly fix it

thanks !

[south lily]

np

[potent drift]

@wise spindle How come you guys haven’t allowed audio as an avatar animation yet

[wise spindle]

I'm gonna pretend I didn't see this ping since I'm not a member of the vrc dec team aight

[carmine tundra]

Hello is anyone having an issue when launching vrchat? When I open it it logs me in and takes me to the tutorial but the screen just stays black. Oh and I'm on quest 2

[wet prawn]

plz fix the favorating sistem please i cant favorate

[wraith jewel]

Cameras on quest?

[dusk mortar]

There is a glitch i have experienced the other day where you fully download a world and it sends you into a loading screen but its loading your home world instead

[pine galleon]

I've experienced a glitch were I can't log in unless it's with Facebook and I don't want to log in with Facebook

[vale anvil]

with vrchat or oculus? if oculus you have to use facbook bc its a company owned by facebook

[flat finch]

2 things

1 I sometimes find myself in a loading loop

2 will quest ever get the camera

[vale anvil]

1. that issue happens to everyone now and then, just uninstall the game and reinstall it or somethin

2. most likely not since vrchat would have to get access to put picture files on your headset rather than a folder

[wraith jewel]

Answer to the 2

They already have the ability to "save to device" on the quest, so they could still possibly add the camera

[vale anvil]

true. but knowing vrchat, the most likely wont add the same camera that pc has, they'll definitely add the VRC+ photo gallery system along with a quest optimized camera.

you wont be able to have vrc lens or any of the special stuff bc it needs to be optimized for the quest's requirements

[wraith jewel]

I'm pretty sure that if enough quest users request it or get annoying about it they'll probably try and figure a way to add it, but until that day comes, we'll just have our cameras in the menus

[vale anvil]

yeah, but don't annoy the vrchat team, no matter how much you want it, they're human beings too

[wraith jewel]

Obviously, people will request/suggest it, I'm not saying I would but others definitely will

[vale anvil]

yep

[foggy star]

how do i put world particles on quest?

[wraith jewel]

World particles are usually already in worlds when you spawn in.. but quest has lower graphics quality than an actual pc so sometimes it's not compatible on quest, sorry hon

[foggy star]

i meant simulation space

not vrc world

[vale anvil]

for avatars particles don't work on quest

they usually appear as a black square

[glossy bramble]

You forget that you can change the particles to a 3D Mesh that you can give a regular material. You can most definitely use Particles for Quest. You can even make it transparent if you knew how to do it.

[glossy bramble]

Depending on how you set up your particles, it's as simple as setting your Particles from Local to World. Keep in mind the World settings make it behave a little differently than normal.

[glossy bramble]

Quest can still run particles just fine. He's referring to the movement of particles. Locally, particles will move with the avatar and look unrealistic. Worldly, it will follow behind you to give a more natural feel. The graphics part is not why Quest doesn't work with particles sometimes, it's because the developers specifically limited the ability for Quest to run certain shaders that otherwise would be known as transparent / alpha or cutout. Because of this, the display for particles looks funny but not impossible to work with.

[wraith jewel]

Ah, okay

[steep jetty]

IDK how dumb of a question this is, but is there any way to get transparency/alpha on the Quest?

[fair tinsel]

not possible as transparencies to Performance intensive Android chipset

[glossy bramble]

It's not a dumb question don't worry. There are ways to do it but are not allowed by the devs. It's always possible to do it though.

[weary yarrow]

I was going to add audio to my world but then I read "Audio sources are restricted in worlds in VRChat Quest." but it doesn't specify at all what type of restrictions there are. Can anyone explain what the actual restrictions are?

[pulsar fox]

Audio is not allowed on the quest versions of avatars. It is entirely allowed, and to my knowledge, entirely unrestricted, for worlds. Just mind the world size, audio takes up a lot of RAM.

[weary yarrow]

Ah thanks they should probably update the documentation to note that is isn't restricted anymore

[steep jetty]

Update: I'm HEAVILY abusing the additive particle shader 🤣

[grand path]

Are there any quest-compatible shaders aside from the VRChat/Mobile ones?

[fair tinsel]

nope those are the only ones you can use for Avatars

[grand path]

Ah well. On another topic; I've got an Excellent avatar that says it can be used as a custom cross-platform fallback, but when I load into VRChat and open the Quest avatar option I see the "Custom Avatar" tab for all of a second before it disappears and leaves me only the Public ones to choose from. Is that a bug, or is there likely something I've done wrong with the avatar somehow?

[fair tinsel]

did you click the checkbox when uploading to actually have be a fallback Avatar

[grand path]

What checkbox would that be?

Found it, I am dumb.

[fair tinsel]

no biggie glad you're able to find it

[left bear]

Does anyone know how to fix on the quest every avatar being pref blocked even if im wearing it

[vale anvil]

It seems to randomly happen for every quest user, i'm sure vrchat is trying to fix it at the moment

[long ferry]

Yo

[glossy bramble]

Check your safety settings.

[quartz widget]

Leave the game and rejoin, it’s a bug with Vrchat they probably don’t even know it exists

[feral sluice]

Where can I find the polygon count for a model in Blender?

[fair tinsel]

https://i.gyazo.com/bc8d106b75388ae6367a266b931d8555.png

[feral sluice]

Okay, thanks!

Mine wasn't there. If your bar is blank, apparently you have to right click it and select "Scene Statistics" just for anyone who has the same problem, that's how to show it.

[pulsar fox]

They moved it around in a recent update. Mines floating text near the Upper left now

[dense mantle]

requesting backup on a texture issue. Attached are pictures of an avatar that I have; one with the unlit transparent cutout shader, the other with a Quest particles shader. I had to use the particle shader because any other shaders completely remapped the texture because android cant handle cutout textures (im surprised it even worked with the particle shader but thats another can of worms). So the avi is good to go on quest but i dont know how to make the particle shader solid, non-translucent.

tldr: how do i make particles not act like particles

[fair tinsel]

unfortunately the answer is you cannot as the particle Shader is not intended to be a cutout replacement my suggestion would be to cut out the bits of the second layer as geometry with the blender knife tool as that is so gosh darn low poly adding some extra geometry would be ok

[dense mantle]

awesome, so i only have the model as a unityproject so is there a way to put that into blender or

[fair tinsel]

the original source file should be somewhere in your project folder you probably would be able to double click on the mesh renderer on the right to see where is

[dense mantle]

ok so it turns out the rig is some 14k polys for some reason so thats not gonna work, but in other news I got a similar level of functionality by using the sprites shader. It still doesnt work but it's better than i've gotten before. any ideas on how to perfect it from here?

[fair tinsel]

something is horribly wrong if a Minecraft avatar uses 14k polys

[dense mantle]

all the edges are slightly rounded

[fair tinsel]

then you might want to get a different Minecraft avatar to be your base

as that's kind of unnecessarily heavy for the quest having lots of beveled edges

[dense mantle]

so it's not an issue with shader or texture settings? i'll need to alter the rig no matter what?

also this was the only good mc rig i could find so xD

[fair tinsel]

yes as transparencies aren't supposed to be allowed on Quest avatars

[dense mantle]

ah butts

[fair tinsel]

transparencies expensive for Android Hardware to do

[pulsar fox]

14k is medium on quest, it’s not bad, just wasteful for what the model is

(Also, you hype for the advanced wars remake?)

[dense mantle]

the 14k was in relation to just snipping out the geometry that would not be needed for the skin

[dense mantle]

and yeah, Andy has been my pfp for stuff for years

[pulsar fox]

From what I see visually, no bevel is even visible, i'd remove the bevel. it's not contributing

[dense mantle]

the bevel?

[sweet tundra]

The slightly rounded edges you mentioned are the bevel.

[dense mantle]

go to town

oh sorry heres just the fbx lol

[sweet tundra]

HOLY

[fair tinsel]

like the elbows are the only thing that still need to be there

[sweet tundra]

Maybe knees as well.

But the elbows are really scuffed too.

I feel like this is a base for an animation model.

A minecraft player (in the standard game) uses 144 tris with all outer layers. 150 if you have a cape.

This has 100x that.

[fair tinsel]

and I tried bending it and most of those triangles aren't actually doing anything to help with the bending

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/the-perfect-steve-rigged-0cffc39bdab04551bde4f8cdfbc52eca

this one would be a excellent rated Quest Avatar so I would suggest using that instead @dense mantle

[dense mantle]

so the texture uh

dare I say it's even more broken

[fair tinsel]

potentially different UV layout

[glossy bramble]

That is because of what people call Backface culling (Unity and Blender) or Calculated Normal Faces (Blender). For efficiency purposes, only one side is rendered unless otherwise specified. In Blender you won't see it as clearly without turning on your overlays. In Unity though, it will clearly show you if it's inside out by turning invisible. If you go into Blender, you can go to Edit Mode and turn on your normals to see what is outside and what is inside. This is called "Face Orientation".

Anything in red is turned inside out and will be invisible in Unity like your minecraft character is.

[cloud sedge]

What does clear cache do?

[chrome citrus]

it clears the local data downloaded on your device (as in avatars & worlds)

[frank thorn]

It is something you shouldn't do.

[gaunt spade]

Is there a quest shader that is comparably as good as "Standard"?

[cloud sedge]

Why?

[frank thorn]

It does basically nothing except requires you to re-download everything.

[cloud sedge]

Damn

[glossy bramble]

Standard lite is what you're give with i'm afraid.

[gaunt spade]

Thanks bud. I was using lite, was kind of hoping there was a better alternative not included. Had no luck with google. Standard lite works, just means I have to tweak the lighting a bit more to get what I want. Thanks again.

[glossy bramble]

Np bud, it's all you can really do right now. there's alternatives but they can't be talked about here lol

[minor nexus]

all my binds are set to one controler can anyone help

dm me if you know how to fix it

[real ginkgo]

Is one of your controllers dead?

[minor nexus]

bo

no*

[potent drift]

Add AUDIO sources

Add AUDIO sources

Add AUDIO sources

Add AUDIO sources

[solemn ermine]

It's not gonna happen, quest can't support all of the audio sources neither on the 1 or 2 due to limitations

[fair tinsel]

used up most of the audio sources that it can handle doing the voice

[magic imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-sponge-squeeze-squeezing-sponge-gif-11908942

trying to get a big world to fit on quest like

[south lily]

a little more tighter than that

[potent drift]

Limitations were established by the developers because they thought that quest was low power, but look at games like beat saber on the quest where they take the performance testing to the max. Or even the performance boosting option in the oculus beta features. It’s only up to the developers to have “limitations”. They are completely capable of adding audio sources to individual avatars, but don’t consider it at all.

[frosty tapir]

If you think this then you probably should get Oculus themselves to rework their documentation / guidelines for Unity Audio on Quest.
Additionally you can read a conversation the VRChat team had with some users talking about the removal of Audio sources on Quest avatars.
#quest-general message

[pulsar fox]

That's why I build it on android and then port it to PC

[cloud bear]

is it just a myth about the whole quest getting dynamic bones situation or what

[fair tinsel]

apparently it's we don't know because they haven't finished doing the testing to see if it'll work

[pulsar fox]

Dynamic bones? No, never. But the devs have said that it’s replacement, Physics Bones, will be considered for Quest.

Even that is not officially confirmed - but they are officially open to it

[potent drift]

Have constraints been allowed on sdk 3.0?

[pulsar fox]

SDK3, yes. Android/Quest builds, no. I've heard some people say it may be allowed in the future, but I haven't heard anything official.

[young ridge]

I dont get the quest limitations for vrchat, quest 2 can handle dynamic bones as it can handle transparency

[fair tinsel]

documentation for all of the major game engines recommends away from using lots of transparencies on mobile Hardware

and no the quest couldn't handle the current implementation of dynamic bones considering how many people get lag from them even on desktop VR

[young ridge]

I would pin that to vrchat being an ancient monstrosity that not even the devs fully understand the workings of

[south lily]

the transparency stuff and dynamic bone stuff is true. but audio sources and constraints however is not

[fair tinsel]

there is Oculus documentation recommending against lots of audio sources

[upper whale]

So it turns out there are now Quest worlds popping up with working youtube players, how does this work? Does anyone have info how to replicate ?

[south lily]

so in simpler terms, the easiest way to rep is with a proxy, but idk if vrc allows americans to go that far yet (?)

next easiest wouldbe photon

[wraith jewel]

Help?

[runic belfry]

I seriously hope physics bones come to the quest it’ll be such a present for quest users I’m pretty sure the vrc team is trying their best to make it work out :>

[runic belfry]

I dunno if the quest can it’s very cpu heavy it can make some good hardware drop to it’s knees and that’s the pc side of things.

[young ridge]

pavlov runs at a consistent 60fps

ragdolls, gun mechanics and transparency. vrchat is just not very well optimized for the platform

[runic belfry]

ooo Pavlov on the quest has transparency???

That’s cool

I remember there was this one world that demonstrated dynamic bones on quest or something like that I think it was fake tho

[south lily]

pavlov is also much newer and more properly designed. where as vrc is the wild west when it comes to optimization and age

[south lily]

ye, i think it was a quest only shader actually that was made 7 years ago using distortion

however the closest i think that can be fakedinto dyn bones would be spring joints (not spring bones) but i cant remember if they are allowed

[fair tinsel]

and it also doesn't have user-generated content

[south lily]

ye its much more organized and strict

[fair tinsel]

looking over the Oculus Quest Trailer I don't see any transparency on the avatars https://i.gyazo.com/43454a923a26280e13ef1576d3e174ca.png

and also probably no blendshapes whatsoever

also probably helps that there's no mirrors whatsoever

[south lily]

youre not wrong about mirrors lol

[fair tinsel]

so yeah it's a lot easier to have a stable of fps when developer is completely in control of what being rendered

[young ridge]

most of the game is user generated content tbh, from game modes to maps. only thing not user generated are avatars which aren't important and no, there's no transparency on the avatars

the crux of the problem is like you said its the wild west on an already outdated engine

[fair tinsel]

question does even the quest version have the user-generated maps?

[solemn ermine]

Yes

[nova stream]

why is it just saying future proofing then does nothing afterwards

is it the android support thingy

[vale sierra]

disable future proofing
in your vrcsdk settings

[nova stream]

ok

i'm mainly doing this so people can actually see my avatar

and not see an ugli robot

and now when i click build and publish it goes grey then does nothing

does poiyomi shaders have quest support???

[fair tinsel]

no nope you can only use the vrchat mobile shaders

and the PC version of the Avatar can have a completely different Shader to the quest version

[nova stream]

awww

i lose my outline

how do i get outline

[fair tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565256303614623767/860622421496954890/unknown.png maybe this might work "Use Mobile/VRChat/Matcap
regular texture goes on top"

[heavy hornet]

When the avatar dynamics come out, would they be supported on quest or will it be the way it is with dynamic bones where its PC only. Could the quest handle the dynamics?

[fair tinsel]

the developers mention they're looking into having physics bones on Quest so potentially yes

[crisp thistle]

any cutout particle shader that vrc have that work for the quest.??

[vale anvil]

No there is not.
You would have to make a mesh particle to have some kind of cutout.

[crisp thistle]

hmm ok.

[pulsar fox]

For worlds, vrchat/mobile/particle/additive and vrchat/mobile/particle/multiply support both transparency. For avatars, no transparency is supported. You can use custom mesh shapes as particles to get the shape you need

[potent drift]

So, I just found a way to create a constraint-like effect with quest

It’s pretty epic

[pulsar fox]

Would you like to share with the rest of the class XD

[south lily]

rotational animator

[crisp thistle]

Share??????.

[rose anvil]

have you tried resetting the app preferences globally? i know how to do it on android i don't know how to do it on the quest
https://www.androidauthority.com/change-default-apps-android-2-633572/

[wraith jewel]

I got it figured out, I had to reset the defaults for gallery.

My phone is just really stupid and all the settings are hard to find.

[tribal otter]

dumb question how do i get pickup objects to sync between quest and pc

i tried finding the answers but i do not see where to find it

[south lily]

object sync component

[tribal otter]

yes but i only have luck getting it to sync between the same platform

not quest and pc

unless im using it wrong

[south lily]

are the hierarchies the same?

[tribal otter]

its an identical world

[south lily]

im not sure then, try reuploading both version

[tribal otter]

anything seem out of place?

usually i just keep the same project then convert this project to quest and upload the same world \

so its basicly identical\

[south lily]

thats odd then, if theyre identical. and have object sync, they sould sync

[nova stream]

does anybody know how to keep dynamic bones on a quest avatar for pc only but remove them for quest users

myself is a pc user but im just making my avatar quest compatible for everyone to see it'

[south lily]

@nova stream duplicate the avatar, and in that dupe. delete the dynamic bones

and then upload that under the same ID

[split steppe]

Can anyone upload an avatar for me?.i for the love of good can't figure it out

[split steppe]

I don't know how set up unity for it and i don't really have the time to figure it out right now

[split steppe]

Do i need to have unity 2018 to upload characters, or can I use like 2019 as well?

[south lily]

2018

[pulsar fox]

VRChat works with 2018.4.20f1 only. No other version of Unity will work, even if it’s still 2018. It will act like everything works, even say upload successful, until you get in game and see it never appeared.

[split steppe]

Asking because i can't seem to figure out how to get that version with the Android SDK

[pulsar fox]

I installed it from unity itself when I attempted to change platforms, it said they were missing and asked permission to download them

[split steppe]

can anyone please upload an avatar for me? i can't upload it myself

[split steppe]

Please.... .about to give up with figuring it out. O wanna do new, exciting stuff, but it's on hold because of this stupid unity thing

[sweet tundra]

The next project for the devs is moving to 2019. Source: #open-beta-announcements

[split steppe]

Kinda don't want to wait until then, but i guess it would help me with uploading my character, because there I know how to get the Android sdk

[sweet tundra]

How are you getting the SDK for 2019? Because if it's through Unity Hub, it's the same process for 2018

If it's not through Unity Hub, get Unity Hub and do it through Unity Hub.

[split steppe]

The version in unity hub doesn't seem to be the excact version that is listed on vrchat

Or does the 2018 version in unity hub work as well? If yes, then problem solved, because there I know how to get the Android sdk

[frosty tapir]

@split steppe The unity version has to be the exact same one as in use currently (Unity 2018.4.20f1).
You can download it from here https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version using the hyperlink to install it via Unity hub.

[sweet tundra]

Unity Hub only lists the latest versions of each major update

[split steppe]

thank you a lot. finaly the right version with an easy way to install android sdk. i hope the rest is easier now

[plush temple]

Did a recent VRChat update break additive blending somehow? My avatar's shirt and blush appears lukewarm yellow on Quest. (???) I don't even have that kind of yellow anywhere in my shaders.

They are both on the same material slot yes. It shouldn't be relevant. Neither are supposed to be yellow. :<

This was a screenshot from roughly two weeks ago when I created the Quest version of my avatar. I confirmed it was working with my Quest headset.

[pastel wraith]

I see people having cool avatars like Darth Vader on the quest, how do people get those?

[plush temple]

Time and patience.

[pastel wraith]

Is there a website people use?

[plush temple]

They make them using a combination of a modelling program (usually Blender) and the VRChat SDK with it's build target set to Android.

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-optimization

Some do it from scratch, most rip assets from games and make them compatible.

[pastel wraith]

Ok

How do I use those avatars on the quest without a gaming pc(I have a laptop)

[plush temple]

Read the documentation link it describes what people have to go through to make an existing avatar Quest compatible.

[pastel wraith]

The link you sent to me just now, or another?

[plush temple]

Yes, same link.

[pastel wraith]

Thanks! Appreciate your help

[plush temple]

It's all there, that page outlines everything that needs to be accounted for and will contain extra links to more details.

[onyx orchid]

Guys, why isn't the Quest version of the last update properly tested??? Almost everything is pink for Quest users after the last update :///

[shrewd dome]

same

all of my friends have the issue

[onyx orchid]

it also broke the Among Us game :( (@jar is trying to fix that rn)

[static fox]

Same ok my end,y game won't even load

[magic imp]

it seems to be skinned meshes using the same material more than once have the error

[lavish bough]

Can someone help me with the oculus app?

[gaunt spade]

Anyone know why a Button pressed in a World would return "Access Denied" on quest; the return is an error output not something scripted to be cute.

[south lily]

more info?

[gaunt spade]

you press a ui button that sends a link. the button is outputting access denied as an error.

it sends a link to an input field that triggers the link to load.

ied assume the link is protected, but since it works just fine on pc, thats clearly not the issue.

[south lily]

world name?

quest users most likely need untrusted urls on

[pulsar fox]

Does the quest user have allow untrusted URL’s enabled? It is a per client thing, not per account

[south lily]

ye. if its qvid or my revision of pro tv to allow youtube. it will say that error if either A) a vpn is being wack. or B) untrusted urls is off

apparrently differentiating from the 2 is wacky so the “access denied” will appear for thw client

but then again. everythinfs wacky

[gaunt spade]

ye, its not even a youtube link, its dropbox. works most of the time but he needs air link for it to work, if not "access denied".

my mind is fkin exploding. the hoops to jump through is just completely ridicules.

[south lily]

what world/videoplayer?

[gaunt spade]

sry, world isnt published. Noris. Merlin wont even play dropbox or drive.

[south lily]

oh norix isnt supposed to work on quest period

[gaunt spade]

not the video, the sound should still load.

[south lily]

merlin can be used once per instance

norix was literally made to not work on quest

[gaunt spade]

what I am saying is that the quest user isnt fetching a youtube.dl. they are fetching a mp4 from drive. Does quest not allow mp4 to load period?

[south lily]

it does

lemme send you a website that shows how dropbox stuff works

[south lily]

https://zapier.com/learn/how-to/generate-direct-dropbox-link/

[gaunt spade]

yeah, thats what I have done. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqlsyx7sef61xci/TkNr.mp4?dl=0

with airlink YAY, without Airlink 😢 booo lol

oh wait... so i need https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/ and not https://www.dropbox.com

?

[south lily]

correct. but remember norix will usually return null unless you modded it so it doesnt have headset racism

[gaunt spade]

can you recommend an alternative?

[gaunt spade]

in all fairness; we develop tech to be cheaper && >=superiority to the market. Facebook purposefully marketed snake oil with an ultra low price tag. Facebook == Wish.com in every way. So now the entire industry has to go nuts over absurd compatibility restrictions.

[south lily]

very accurrate

pro TV has a beta in their discord thats designed for quest streaming and such

[gaunt spade]

Keeping an eye on ArchiTech thanks for that. But the link alteration worked perfect. Saved my life bro

[south lily]

np

[tribal leaf]

Is transparency on UI element, such as Image and Raw Image have performance issue on quest?

[frigid cipher]

we don't have that on pc ? if it's mods, it's not supposed to be supported, and i'd rather, as a creator, have that not be a thing. because we sometimes disable avatar cloning & make one public just to give an avatar or let someone test one, which would result in people being able to use those that are public but still private in a way. I hope this makes sense, but lots of us creators really do'nt want this to be a thing.

ah, you deleted your message.

[sweet tundra]

If you have lots layered, then yes, but one or two will not do much.

[inner torrent]

i want to slave the left arm to the the movement of the right and cant do that on quest with constraints dose any one have any ideas its for stroke therapy avatars one arm and hand are controlled by the other both arms can move at the same time but one must be master and other slave.... im not a doctor but i was told it works like this it work on me it helped me regain so much of my skills. the left and right sides of the brain talk to each other when the brain seeing the slaved arm moving with no cross talk causes the brain to try to find new paths around the stroke damage like finding new side roads to replace old roads that are damaged and closed off

[crude reef]

What the fuck

[abstract pond]

the sentence looks like made from iOS predictive text

[pulsar fox]

I understood it pretty well. He has one arm and is asking if an avatar can be set up so his missing arm simply mirrors the one he can use.

The answer is unfortunately, not on quest. But PC can do it with rotation constraints

@inner torrent

[copper stirrup]

hi so uhhh, my avatar toggles just DONT work on quest??? all the things are in the same spot as my pc avatar, and its using the same FX layer (everything is named the same, the only differece is the model is slightly decimated on quest) and gahHHHhhh its driving me insane. if anyone can help, please ping me

[wraith jewel]

You got to take a way less bones

So that it can be optimized for qest

[errant lagoon]

Maybe someone from the vrchat team could answer if the quest version will ever support video and audio (for music venues). That would be super cool.

[south lily]

it does....

it has for 7 months now

[errant lagoon]

Oh I just checked and it didn't

[south lily]

did you just read the old docs?

anyway: theres a few ways in getting videos to player and even live streams now

[dusk crypt]

need some help, im trying to port a pc avatar on SDK2 but im getting a malformed avatar issue and when i try the auto fixed it makes the avatar invisible, and it doesn't show up on the control panel. control panel says this: "The following component types are found on the Avatar and will be removed by the client: Transform, Animator, VRC_AvatarDescriptor, PipelineManager, SkinnedMeshRenderer" Meanwhile, unity console says this: "Malformed avatar
UnityEngine.Debug:LogError(Object)
VRCSDK2.Validation.AvatarValidation:GetWhitelistForSDK(GameObject) (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Scripts/Validation/AvatarValidation.cs:176)
VRCSDK2.Validation.AvatarValidation:FindIllegalComponents(GameObject) (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Scripts/Validation/AvatarValidation.cs:187)
VRCSDK2.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder2:ValidateFeatures(VRC_AvatarDescriptor, Animator, AvatarPerformanceStats) (at Assets/VRCSDK/SDK2/Editor/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder2.cs:22)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder:OnGUIAvatarCheck(VRC_AvatarDescriptor) (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Editor/ControlPanel/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:318)
VRC.SDKBase.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder:ShowBuilder() (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Editor/ControlPanel/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:91)
VRCSdkControlPanel:ShowBuilders() (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Editor/ControlPanel/VRCSdkControlPanelBuilder.cs:323)
VRCSdkControlPanel:OnGUI() (at Assets/VRCSDK/Dependencies/VRChat/Editor/ControlPanel/VRCSdkControlPanel.cs:200)
UnityEngine.GUIUtility:ProcessEvent(Int32, IntPtr) (at C:/buildslave/unity/build/Modules/IMGUI/GUIUtility.cs:179)"
Please help, i cant find info on this in the documentation and most things online are from different issues.

[pulsar fox]

Yeah something is seriously wrong with your project. I’d recommend starting a new project, importing only the official sDK, and only the fbx model of the avatar, nothing else, and setting up the descriptor yourself and see if it uploads. If you imported someone else’s unity package, it’s probably bad.

[dusk crypt]

ah, alright.

[dusk crypt]

well, that fixed it! Thanks a lot!

[pulsar fox]

Size as in height?

Stay above 3 feet and under 9. Or above 1 meter and under 3.

For file size, you need to be under 10mb

[weak flame]

Hello guys. So i am uploading all of my PC avatars to quest/android now. But i see that there is no cutout/fade option with vrchat/standardlit shader.
Any tips? Because the hair looks bad if i don't change it

[sweet tundra]

You can use the blender knife tool to cut it out manually. That's the best option.

[supple folio]

ey, I'm working on a world and am currently in the process of making it quest compatible and noticed some pretty intense z-fighting on a few things and even avatars in the world when the player is roughly 10 meters or further from some objects/players.

The various sections of the world are each 300m from the origin and I was wondering... Is that beyond the quest2's limits?

[sweet tundra]

It’s likely due to floating point imprecision, there would also likely be an issue on PC (but less noticable) I advise you move them closer to spawn, and if you need to hide them, adjust the clipping planes, or make a wall with the skybox’s textures.

[supple folio]

it boggles the mind... 300 meters really doesn't seem like enough to cause floating point issues. The camera render distance is only 150, so each area is unable to see the others.

[supple folio]

I think the issue is only happening with objects using Unlit/Transparent Cutout

[sweet tundra]

That may be it, the Quest doesn't work well with transparency.

[proven oar]

god damn it was going to upload a pc model to quest and forgot it needs transparency and the devs wont fix the sdk so we can use transparency on models

[fair tinsel]

you cannot use transparencies on avatar on the quest because it's too expensive for mobile Hardware

[proven oar]

The quest 2 can handle it just fine not the quest 1 though and also you say that when more then half the quest avatars on the game are using modified sdks to use transpareny/cutout and all the other bullcrap like why cant you use sound files on quest or have constraints and why is the partical shader completely broken

I have seen tons of avatars with dynamic bones on them as well which means they used modified sdk

As far as I can tell the vrchat dev's don't want to support quest anymore so they refuse to fix/address the problem

Like me and king Todd want to give quest good models but a ton of models need transparency/cutout and we don't want to modify our sdks to do it and get banned if we did

[wraith jewel]

Im pretty sure quest 1 users almost are all gone

also Ive worked on a demo of a world out on vrchat using about the same specs and situation with 2 times rendered and it ran better

if the dev team wants the restrictions I have litteral video evidence of these demos running perfect

still kinda pissed off from being warned for asking for a shader for my quest world

if I could only get a shader that wasnt trash or downright performance destroying

its enough to make me waste my time to learn it

I hate making stuff in unity aswell

I only know html good

[sweet tundra]

I went on a world on my Quest 2, there was no one else there. There was a lot of cut-out grass on the ground, when looking at the grass with lots of it layered (I mean at most 10 layers, which is practically nothing), I was getting 60 fps. Now imagine what would happen if there were people, all with their own transparent particles and textures. Further dropped performance, likely 30-40fps. The performance is then dropped because they all have their own audio sources as players, which really take a toll on the Quest (and Quest 2). The fps is probably near crash levels, less than 15. Give everyone their own audio sources as part of avatars, and if you haven't crashed yet, you may as well have because you can't see, nor play the game, nor leave because of that low fps menu bug (unless they fixed that)

And they are considering constraints on the Quest platform: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-limitations#components

And I'm pretty sure dynamic bones get removed by the quest client as well.

[wraith jewel]

Ha constraints we already got enough

Any more and I'm quitting and so are my fans

[wraith jewel]

and that would impact the games numbers quite a bit

[proven oar]

No it wouldn't I have my own quest 2 and i know what the frame rate Is like also audio sources would not affect performance only the download size of the model/map

And crunch yes dynamic bones get removed but the problem is people are modifying the SDK to get around it

And also the game would run better if people would optimize there worlds and models

Like I see quest models all the time with over 100 materials and dynamic bones and all that other crap

And if you don't believe me go to kingtodds world he's optimized the crap out of that world there could be 30 people in that world and you barely would be lagging and he has like 6 or 7 full sized maps in there

You just think the quest 2 runs like garbage because nobody optimizes their models and maps I'd you had a pc you could see it's even worse on there you could have a god tier pc and go into a world and drop down to 10fps it's really bad on the pc side

[sweet tundra]

This is just straight up wrong. Audio sources absolutely impact performance, have you ever been in a room with 25 people, all with their avatars disabled? How big a download is also has nothing to do with it. You could have a 50mb world filled with disabled objects and it could still end up running better than a 5mb world filled with multiple of the same high poly mesh. I do agree that the game would run better if people optimised their worlds and avatars, but that's the whole point of the avatar blocking system, to keep the game performant by default, even when people do that. And I hight doubt you see Quest avatars with dynamic bones, as they are removed the client (being the VRChat game itself).

[proven oar]

yeah i have because people wont optimize their shit and audio sources do not affect fps or ping at all. also your argument of the world size crap does not make sense at all. and i have been seeing poeple with dynamic bones and other crap on quest models its actually really common to see that stuff. and your wrong on the game removing it the sdk removes it and the sdk can be modified its not hard

[fair tinsel]

that would be ridiculous for audio sources to have literally no effect on FPS as they do have a CPU cost to process and SDK modifications aren't going to do squat to how the Quest client handles the data

[sweet tundra]

do not affect fps or ping at all
Well of course audio sources don't affect ping. Ping is related to your internet connection.

But they do affect fps.

Especially when the audio is being live decompressed.

[proven oar]

then explain all the fucking quest models im seeing that are breaking the restrictions

[sweet tundra]

idk a modded client

[fair tinsel]

I doubt you can get a modded client running on the quest

[proven oar]

you cant do it with a modded client

and what rain just said you cant get a modded client on quest

[sweet tundra]

It's possible just harder to do.

Like beat saber quest mods.

They exist, but are more annoying to make.

[fair tinsel]

so this would all depend on how does the quest client handles illegal SDK content

[proven oar]

its a big problem i go into a public world and i see atleast 3-4 quest users using models that break the restrictions

also what the fuck do you guys act like quest cant handle audio it can easily you act like the thing will blow up as soon as someone plays some audio

and also unity compress the audio for you so why would vrchat have to do it?

[sweet tundra]

When you speak, your microphone audio gets compressed to be sent over the internet quicker. It gets sent to the other people in the room, and decompressed live. That compression and decompression uses the CPU, which the Quest doesn't have much power to use. I've been to instances with 12 people on the Quest 1, and 24 on the Quest 2, and I had around 30fps, even when I couldn't see anyone (models get culled and not rendered, so it wasn't avatars).

The audio not part of avatars (people speaking) go through this. And then it has to calculate the volume in 3D space (although this isn't too bad), using more CPU.

It then renders the people you are talking to, and it gets even slower.

[fair tinsel]

the vrchat dev team would know more than you about what it can and cannot handle

[proven oar]

sure totally

[fair tinsel]

why would you know more than the folks that literally programmed it

[proven oar]

because i do model making i try to make good models that are not awful on performance and because i dont trust the dev team at all there has been quest stuff broken for months and even on the pc side there has been stuff broken for months

[bold hare]

Everything. From visuals to audio are proccessed by the onboard cpu of the quest. If there is a shit ton of audio being played then there is a shit ton to proccess. Thus impacting performance. While audio isn't as big of an impact as all the avatars with millions of particles, shaders, dynamic bones and all the polygons in the world, audio still has an impact on system performance.

[wraith jewel]

I have a world running 20 different audio sources at the same time and the quest lost no performance

Also a litteral Nintendo ds can run I believe 10 audio sources at max and that's weak hardware from 2005

The quest may be weak but its about as fast as a Samsung galaxy s7 in power and the quest 2 being about as powerful as my phone which is a note 10

[sweet tundra]

Is the audio for those sources being steamed live from a server and decompressed as it arrives at the device, or not?

[wraith jewel]

It's from a world

Not a stream

Hitting 72fps non stop

[sweet tundra]

And is the audio file set to be streamed?

And I don’t think the Quest 2 is as powerful as a note10.

[wraith jewel]

Specs wise not really but very close

The quest 2 has lil less ram

But quest 2 is more capable than people understand

If you ever go to my worlds you will see what I mean

[sweet tundra]

Also 72fps on the Quest 1 or 2?

[wraith jewel]

They locked it at max for both

72fps

[sweet tundra]

Because the Quest 2 got updated to 90 pretty sure. Idak tho, I haven’t been on in a while

[wraith jewel]

It's capable of 120

[sweet tundra]

Yes I know the Quest 2 can reach 120

[wraith jewel]

But vrchat restricted the fps to only 72

[sweet tundra]

But the Quest 2 versionof vrchat, afaik, was updated to support 90fps

Oh I’m wrong

[wraith jewel]

Want a screenshot of the mess quest 2 is?

[sweet tundra]

I have a quest 2 I know vrchat is a mess on it

I even played it on a quest 1

And it was worse

[wraith jewel]

Same

[sweet tundra]

But they’re already forced to limit a lot to allow in the oculus store

[wraith jewel]

My worlds run better than the ones made by vrchat themselves

The home world on quest 1 can't even hit 50fps

[sweet tundra]

I get full fps on the homeworld, i have no clue what you’re talking about

[wraith jewel]

On quest 1

[sweet tundra]

Same as on quest 1

I got 72fps

UNTIL i activated the mirror but that’s expected

[wraith jewel]

How long ago

[sweet tundra]

Quest 1 was quite a while ago, I sold it a few months ago for a quest 2.

[wraith jewel]

That will be old news then

[sweet tundra]

But Oculus still has high standards for games on their store

[wraith jewel]

Heh not with this one

Should of stayed in labs

[sweet tundra]

Namely, they have to be performant (pretty sure more than 60fps), and since vrchat is so popular they probably made an exception. But the VRChat team still had to reduce a lot of stuff on the quest.

[wraith jewel]

You can easily change things to run better

[sweet tundra]

If you mean app lab, that released this year, VRChat Quest released two years before that

[wraith jewel]

I know so how about side quest

[sweet tundra]

People aren’t bothered to do that

Some are, some aren’t

[vale sierra]

72 fps on my quest 1 in vrchat home world

gee, maybe you're just using an unoptimized avatar

[sweet tundra]

Or maybe you had people in the world

One of those two, because both are fps droppers

[wraith jewel]

I was in a good ranked avatar

Explain that

[vale sierra]

I'm getting 72 fps in the home world right now on my quest 1

[wraith jewel]

Well it must of been updated in the last week

[vale sierra]

the last update was 3 weeks ago

[sweet tundra]

The last vrchat client update was over 2 weeks ago, and I don’t think the home world is updated often

That last major change was the Unity 2018 update

Maybe Avatar 3.0, i dont remember

[wraith jewel]

I believe I got a download when I joined the homeworld yesterday

Yno what would be good if vrchat allowed it

Lod groups

[vale sierra]

Its also such a common misconception that audio is cheap. Its not as cheap as you think, processing audio takes up cpu time, and having multiple audio sources concurrently adds up quickly. Incorrect import settings on audio clips can also make a big difference especially on mobile hardware, for example a single large audio clip set to decompress on load has the potential to cause Quest 1 especially to run out of memory, and can make the difference between a world loading and crashing.

[wraith jewel]

Ever heard of gpu instancing?

[vale sierra]

[sweet tundra]

Yup. Audio can GPU instanced confirmed in Unity 2069.

[wraith jewel]

I Don't think you get what I ment

[sweet tundra]

Yes, I know how materials work.

But GPU instancing only works on object with the same material AND the same mesh.

[vale sierra]

gpu instancing also doesn't work on skinned meshes

also the last time the vrchat home world was updated was 5th june

[sweet tundra]

I’m pretty sure the VRChat team would’ve used it where they could in the home world (which wouldn’t be in many places)

[wraith jewel]

Have you ever seen their old hubs running on quest?

[sweet tundra]

Yes. I played the game in 2019 on my Quest. It ran fine in the homeworld

[wraith jewel]

Do you remember before that we had a good hub now we Don't have one

[vale sierra]

and by old hub you mean the current hub design which has stayed the same since the Quest was first released?

[sweet tundra]

The hub has not changed at all.

Excpet for seasonal things, like winter, where they added sleds or something.

[wraith jewel]

The seasonal hubs were better because there was something to do

Another problem I have with the hub is that they only advertise PC only and cross

They don't do quest only

Also they almost never approve quest only

[vale sierra]

There is a quest only hub

[wraith jewel]

Yes but it only advertises cross and PC only

[sweet tundra]

And it’s very advertised on quest pretty sure

[wraith jewel]

They left the PC only stuff on the quest only hub to litterly rub it in

If they cared they would of made the quest only hub advertise worlds they can go to

[sweet tundra]

The homeworld advertises places you can go to on quest