open-beta-discussion

[limber quartz]

Lemme open my project up

[sour epoch]

I also ended up not using capsule for my purposes so I never uploaded with that, only tested in editor. Is this possibly a client-only issue?

[limber quartz]

Is this possibly a client-only issue?
Last I recall, it was indeed client-only

[sour epoch]

ah that would explain it

[limber quartz]

Did you only test in-editor? Because it works fine there. Issue is client-only last I remembered.

[plucky owl]

I can honestly say that's that y'all haven't been able to repro. Its a problem in game and is still an issue with the current build of the game. I used a sphere and it works. Capsule and contacts freak out in the instance

[sour epoch]

Avatar Dynamics typically matches up with editor behavior very closely so if there is an issue that happens in client but not in editor, that is a very important detail to include

[plucky owl]

that's true. Client side and editor behavior are very strange

I'm not able to test floats though

[limber quartz]

I should've brought it up in the canny when I was having the issue but since it was already Tracked Internally at the time I assumed it was already known.

[zenith obsidian]

is that jittery animated physbones fix local only?

[hollow belfry]

It's for anyone in the beta

But if you are in the beta and someone not in the beta is watching you, then yeah they won't see it

I.e. it's not a network thing

[zenith obsidian]

oh okie. Thank you for the answer ^-^

[old rock]

Not just furries but catgirls too 👀

[keen lantern]

praise the open beta! was so sad to see i had only one avatar break, and it was also my favorite too.

[graceful saffron]

Am I just dumb? How do you get beta

[keen lantern]

#open-beta-info theres a guide in here

[graceful saffron]

Yeah I’m just dumb. Thank you lol

[sudden sapphire]

i like this beta. explains a lot of confusion as to why my tail was jittering all over the place

[keen grail]

I just wanted to say thank you to any devs watching the channel. The push to fix the bones in the open beta even on a weekend is appreciated.

I definitely understand the pressure and effort put into getting a fix out quickly and safely as well as the weight of the decision not to push it out to prod on a weekend.

[dire saffron]

cant update to open beta on steam - missing file privileges error

[dusky slate]

uh why mute button stop working

[sullen elk]

I had an issue with proximity capsules too with my sheathing system.
I wanted to use a proximity capsule, the parameter did not update at all.
Had to switch to on enter capsule which annoyed some people since they couldn't get it to work consistently.

[wheat fjord]

I haven't checked but I will after I type this message has anyone made a canny post about the five Hertz refresh rate with OSC applications?

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/increase-the-update-rate-for-osc-parameters

It seems they have however it's not marked as tracked

I imagine VR chat is not interested in changing this because they're going to be building in eye/face tracking into another milestone release in the future, which seems to be the primary reason people want this change.

Would any of the staff know how many beta releases will come out before that becomes a part of an open beta?

I honestly expect it won't take too long given the fact that the last time that VR chat staff expressed interest in changing something they were talking about doubling the parameter limit and they did it within a release or two, if I recall correctly

Just very excited for face/eye tracking to be an offically supported part of the application!

@grim zealot sorry to bother/ping you, but I wanted to clear something up real quick if you would be able to. I've been hearing a few rumors about the IK2 being improved after release in future betas/releases. Is this true?

[timber jewel]

He will still be working on IK2 deepening on what feedback he gets.

He still has his #ik-2 channel ^^

[wheat fjord]

Thanks for clearing this up Rat, I appreciate it!

[grim zealot]

Yeah that's MY channel!

[bright jungle]

lmao

[shrewd estuary]

just sayin theres a window for other devs to get in

[jagged tapir]

And the internship can be here:

[timber jewel]

Does VRChat even take people for an internship? xD

[shy plover]

If you sneak in and pretend you've always been there, maybe they won't notice

[mortal plume]

fake it til you make it

[naive dragon]

Just gonna put this here to raise awareness kek

https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/ik2-auto-footstep-not-using-idle-foot-position-as-base

Wen fix

[gloomy dagger]

That's why I changed my ik's feet xD

[naive dragon]

This is an example of the issue

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733222827817435158/980667839717453864/VRChat_2022.05.29_-_21.02.44.07_Trim.mp4

This happens on live branch too, ever since the IK2

Just bringing light to it as many people just brushed it off as a nonissue

[drifting rain]

it does the same for me
I thought it's normal

[naive dragon]

plus kung is fairly active here

I’m 99% sure this issue didn’t exist before IK2 but I could be remembering wrong because I almost always use FBT

[gloomy dagger]

I mean

for my avatars, it's been like this before ik2, so I had to change the ik animation to do my standing anim pose, it mixes lower side with standing anim when you stop moving.

old version takes a sec before doing this, now it slides to ik.

[naive dragon]

At the very least would like to know if it’s supposed to work like this from the beginning

[gloomy dagger]

It's meant to slide this way now. I know how you feel. xd

[inner kayak]

def didn’t

it stepped, not slid

[frank goblet]

I miss the little stepping it did

[naive dragon]

Then vote on the canny

[inner kayak]

i miss the ferrets doing tiptaps before net ik

and physbones not working on humanoid bones stole their jiggle

ferrets are die

[timber jewel]

sad

[frank goblet]

Though, could this be "fixed" (dealt with until a proper patch is out) by changing the IK pose to a different feet position? Just a thought, not something I've really changed before myself either.

[inner kayak]

does that not also apply for fbt, or is that tpose layer

[naive dragon]

My guess is the new IK system messed with how the procedural animation for autostep accesses the foot position or broke it entirely, thus making it reset to the tpose

[frank goblet]

Just did, hopefully it's looked into

[naive dragon]

Instead of using the positions of the feet upon reenabling autostep after locomotion it can’t access them due to new IK so it just resets. That’s just a guess though

And probably likely, the IK2 system changed a lot

Maybe an oversight of changing reference without changing the procedural animation

Who knows, might be an Object reference not set to an instance of an object

God the troubles that error has given me over the years

[flat patrol]

it's the new normal

[naive dragon]

I hate the new normal

This is definitely a bug

Kung fix it

please

[naive dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

[jagged tapir]

Sad

[restive lake]

Thinking about animation bugs, would be nice if this one could get addressed at some point...
https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-30/p/bug-when-other-players-load-an-avatar-faster-than-the-avatar-wearer-the-expressi
(I mean it's a fairly old issue at this point, but it's still there and it is a problem)

[silver ledge]

pretty sure it always has been there, just not in this form. When i created idle anims a year ago i already noticed that auto footstep pretty much overwrote whatever i tried to put into standing

[silver ledge]

dunno if that is that much of a bug anymore or if i simply subconsciously work around that. Just like my guess in the canny from a year ago, I think its mostly the parameters being initialised with 0/false (feels like a standard unity behaviour) - since making the animator logic with a state which has a parameter driver to set "HasLoaded -> true" and is only reachable if "IsLocal = true", these issues did not occur for any layer which checks in its transitions for "HasLoaded = true" anymore. (meaning, all transitions from the default state require that HasLoaded = true, so you block from unwanted transitioning in case of 0/false initialisation of the animator)

[graceful saffron]

Am I the only one who notices that with the beta and with regular VRChat, the models sway back and forth on their feet before staying still?

[wind talon]

Got a few more fixes incoming to tack onto p3

[bright jungle]

:pog:

[timber jewel]

comming today? :o

[naive dragon]

Oooh? Autofootstep fix?

[wind talon]

wha

is there a canny

is this something that is a new bug for 2022.2.1

[naive dragon]

Yea

[naive dragon]

Yea

[naive dragon]

Since Ik2

[naive dragon]

Canny

[mortal plume]

tupper: "...sigh. KUNG!"

[wind talon]

that is an incredibly tiny bug

but no, probably not that

considering it isn't tracked internally yet

its.. also in the wrong category

moving it to the correct board, pushing it into internal tracking. can you provide video?

[naive dragon]

Video

[wind talon]

things posted in discord don't count

[naive dragon]

Honestly didn’t see an option to change the board kekw

[wind talon]

please put it into the canny

[naive dragon]

Bro I tried

[wind talon]

try harder 🙂

i believe in you

[naive dragon]

It only allows png, jpeg, and webp

Doesn’t allow attaching videos

;-;

[wind talon]

... then upload it to Streamable or YouTube :S

[naive dragon]

[wind talon]

This time I shall give you both the spoon and the feed

[naive dragon]

[wind talon]

ddone https://streamable.com/vjumbd

only took about 7 seconds

now i shall delete it so you can do it too

[naive dragon]

[wind talon]

Basically, put everything into Canny posts. Engineers do not read Discord to look for bug reports.

The harder you make it for me/QA to tell an engineer what's wrong, the less likely it is to get snatched up and fixed.

[naive dragon]

There, video lol

I am a fool

For a software developer I sure am bad at making proper reports

[wind talon]

not many people know how to make good bug reports, even mine tend to be short on some details, dw

[plucky owl]

Speaking of, currently if you have more than 2 cameras and one uses a render texture and you go into playmode, testing physbones in Unity will not work properly. Examples are in the comments of the canny post https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/physbones-cannot-be-grabbed-in-editor-if-more-than-one-camera-is-present-in-scen

[wind talon]

Is this new for this Open Beta?

It appears that this is back from April so no, unfortunately not

although that explains why I can't grab the bones in my own editor

[naive dragon]

Speaking of render textures

How are they regulated in game

Sometimes they flat out disappear

And only certain people can see them

[timber jewel]

I'm confused why so much stuff / canny's get posted in here that aren't related to the open beta 😅

[naive dragon]

Becsuse

Devs

They be here

Here be devs

It’s like slipping a note into their jacket pocket when they aren’t looking

[timber jewel]

I can imagine it being a bit confusing though if people mention issues in here that aren't related to the beta. Since if they are looking for information about how the beta is going it can be a bit misleading sometimes.

[bright jungle]

the channel description states that the channel is for discussion about the current open beta, but some people erroneously use it to refer to past unrelated bugs they'd want fixed in this beta/things they'd want in some future beta

[naive dragon]

well if it didn’t have such a high success rate people wouldn’t do it lmao

[bright jungle]

also this

[naive dragon]

Well also there is no channel for general bug discussion, even if it isn’t for contacting devs about it (that’s what the canny is for)

[bright jungle]

that tends to crop up in general-1
as does everything tbf

[naive dragon]

But, cannys need votes to be seen, so they gotta get discussed somewhere

[timber jewel]

Or in the channels related to that issue.

So #avatar-dynamics for stuff regarding Phys Bones or Contacts for example.

[naive dragon]

Ah yes, either the channel that’s been dead since the dinosaurs or the channel where it will get washed away in the flood of text

[timber jewel]

But in general, maybe a #bug-disscussion channel might be useful in those cases.

[naive dragon]

⬆️

[timber jewel]

You don't need to react to it 20 times.

[naive dragon]

Shut

[wind talon]

ok noted, will stop

BlackRat is right, trying to use this channel as a place to slip stuff up in the queue is NG

i try to avoid it but its hard to say "no, do it the right way" and ignore a bug

in other words, i appreciate the activism but please let's keep the job of managing open betas and their related bugs as easy and uncomplicated as possible 🙂

[wind talon]

the existence of a bug-discussion channel implies VRChat devs will monitor and discuss it

unfortunately, that is not something we/I want to do-- Discord is not a bug tracker

[sick creek]

something something use the canny :v

[wind talon]

if you find a bug, please post it to the Canny. as far as coordinating discussion with people on Discord to figure out a bug? sure, idc, do what you want

[sick creek]

heh

[raw ore]

Just a dumb thing I notice while using the beta version earlier today.
I was in desktop mode to test a new avatar that I uploaded and was side stepping in front of the mirror to test a PB item I added to my avatar.
Unity gave me a popup that my upload was ready and I hit the ok button while still sidestepping (dual monitor) and suddenly my avatar kept moving to the right, even after the VRChat window regained focus. I had to restart vrchat to regain control.
Is this a known issue?
(no game controllers, and my virtual controller is disabled in windows device manager)

OH.. nvm, it's right here. I overlooked that one.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1197-key-pressing-is-preserved-if-you-release-the-key-while-losing-focus

[wind talon]

ye not a new thing

anyways LAST