open-beta-discussion

[stable mantle]

O… void?

[muted brook]

3d oval

[deep needle]

Yeah, I just noticed it happening with some swarias. The wings got all wobbly and completely tangled up.

[muted brook]

like capsule but different radiuses

[stable mantle]

Nah only capsule and sphere (and occasionally infinite plane)

[muted brook]

dam

[stable mantle]

I mean capsule does have rounded edges.

[muted brook]

can you have different x and y lengths on the capsure collider

[stable mantle]

You can have a radius and a length?

So radius is its thickness and length is its height.

[muted brook]

ya. would be useful to be able to change the width and length also tho

[stable mantle]

But you can't, say, make it oblong.

I think it's for performance reasons?

But i don't know. It looks like they're adding more down the road, they just wanted to let people get started now.

Kinda like they did with SDK3.

So when it launches, a bunch of avatars will work "out of the box".

[muted brook]

Dont exactly see the point in that

[stable mantle]

Beta avatars are backwards compatible.

So for instance my avatar will Just Work ™️ when AD goes live.

[muted brook]

if they push it out now without adding things like inside colliders a lot of avis will be broken

[stable mantle]

Yeah that's why it's not being pushed out to live now.

It's in beta.

[muted brook]

well hopefully they fix it before and not pull an osc

[stable mantle]

lol yeah uh

[muted brook]

where they just pushed it out on a friday and ignored the bugs

[stable mantle]

OSC was broken on Quest the first release

It put me many feet out of body, upside down, t-posing (assumedly to assert dominance), and locked all my controls until i mashed my buttons into safe mode.

It's fine now with an update.

[stiff acorn]

To be fair, they didn't have that many people testing the beta on Quest.

[muted brook]

they also left a bug in where if you have more than a couple inputs and switch avis it slows to a crawl

[stable mantle]

But boy howdy. OSC was BAD first launch.

[muted brook]

still havent fixed any of the actual osc bugs

[stable mantle]

I have video of this too. It's pretty amusing, ngl

[stable mantle]

I mean I'm not astral projection t-posing anymore so they fixed that.

[molten cobalt]

there wasn't much the average Quest user could actually do with open Sound control as that requires secondary Hardware do even do anything

[muted brook]

thats not a bug that is in osc. thats a bug from the update

[stable mantle]

It only happened if i enabled OSC from the options menu.

My left control has so bad stick drift i had to use the deadzone tool of the latest Quest firmware to turn it into a digital stick (0/1) as anything less than 99% deadzone and it goes haywire.

During these particular sessions, the drift was acting up (pre-deadzone adjustment) and it activated OSC while i was trying to change expressions.

After a little more testing i confirmed it only caused the weird out of body issue when OSC was turned on.

If i triggered safe mode, it'd disable OSC and restore everything to normal.

[muted brook]

well then they fixed one bug. but none of the others

[stable mantle]

lol yeah that was the joke

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[stable mantle]

It's cool that it's there though. Even though the documentation is even worse than the Quest Avatar documentation.

😅

But yeah, having PhysBones in beta and gathering feedback is really useful.

I just wish it was live compatible.

There's already changes they're tracking on the Canny.

It's surprisingly performant on Quest too. Makes me wonder if long term VRChat will expand Avatar Dynamics into World Dynamics and add a world based physics system similar to a PhysBones.

Seeing as they wouldn't even allow Dynamic Bones on Quest, but PhysBones they have no problem with.

The quicker VRC gets away from Unity's default physics system the better.

(Because on anything but NVidia hardware and iOS It's CPU bound.)

[mossy python]

They already plan on incorporating Avatar Dynamics into worlds

[stable mantle]

I meant like fully replacing the current physics as well.

E.G. those pool prefabs aren't getting any more performant.

A new physics system that's tuned for performance and stability would be appreciated.

[warm cedar]

We can always pray to the developer gods

[ember sphinx]

Can someone explain how dead zone works? I have drift so do I put it at 99?

[cyan prawn]

I have a question: are parameters set by contacts broadcasted via OSC? If not, will that ever be a feature?

[stable mantle]

So deadzone is a software setting that says "inside this zone, ignore ALL input. Outside this zone, treat the inner edge as 0 and the outer edge as 1". Being analog, anything between the outer deadzone and full tilt will be picked up as a percentage.

It's a tool for calibration and drift correction, as any drift inside the "deadzone" gets ignored.

My Quest 2, however, has so bad drift on the left stick that I have to set it to 99, which means only full tilt is picked up.

To set a deadzone, go to Experimental Features on the latest Quest OS and scroll down. During calibration you'll be able to see how bad drift is, which can help you decide what size deadzone you create.

[ionic jay]

Can you actually set the "Is Animated" Parameter in the states

[stable mantle]

Out of context that sentence amuses me.

[near grove]

What sentence

[ionic jay]

Cause atm, everything that was a dynamic bone and had animations. Cannot be grabbed while it is animated

Unless you can basically set that parameter to false during runtime

[ember sphinx]

My drift goes all the way to the corners xD does a wiggle waggle lol

[stable mantle]

Same. Drifts hard right and waggles.

[shrewd estuary]

shoutouts to when my left quest controller started picking up heavy drift so i switched to using the right for movement and then THAT got drift too

[stable mantle]

The one right above it. I read "in the states" as in "in the United States" and became mildly amused at the thought of asking if it's illegal to set "Is Animated" stateside.

[near grove]

Lol

I see.

[stable mantle]

It's always the left first innit?

[shrewd estuary]

well yeah because games typically use that one for movement

can't wait for the inevitable day my index controllers start to drift woohoo

[small surge]

You can grab isanimated fine now

no need to turn it off

[stable mantle]

I thought that was the point of "Is Animated"? To allow movement in animation states????

[shrewd estuary]

awesome

[stable mantle]

I keep seeing Unity themes that look like VRChat UI and I gotta ask how.

[small surge]

I have a different color mode when im in play mode

preferences

[stable mantle]

So you just manually set that?

[small surge]

yep

[stable mantle]

Dang

[small surge]

too many times i forgot i was in play mode and changed stuff only to go derp, that wont save

[shrewd estuary]

looks cool

[stable mantle]

I thought maybe there was a secret SDK option or something because one person even had the upload dialog themed that way and I was a bit lost.

Would be easier on the eyes than the current Unity scheme.

I take it it's only for play mode though.

[ionic jay]

When someone grabs that animated component, I want it to stop doing that animation
something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3cQ21JQEGg&t=7m59s

[stable mantle]

OH i got you.

Why not instead just create an exit transition for the animation that's triggered by {param}_IsGrabbed?

[ionic jay]

how would I approach doing that

[small surge]

it will stop the animation when grabbed now, was a bug with isanimated , _IsGrabbed exsample >

[stable mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

[stable mantle]

Apparently unnecessary if you see what @small surge just shared, but if you know how to work with animation controllers it's simple. If you're modifying an avatar which you yourself didn't set up than it's probably best not to touch my idea if unnecessary.

[ionic jay]

the only logic I have right now is this

[stable mantle]

If you wanted to be safe you could listen for the bone's _IsGrabbed parameter and transition from Tail_Wag to Wait if it = True.

But @small surge is saying that's completely unnecessary — The issue you're having is just a bug.

[ionic jay]

Yeah, I am completely lost atm

so, if the armature is grabbed now. It will stop the animation, is that correct?

I am using a tool that simulates the behaviour of the avatar in unity, tho I am starting to think it doesnt work as it should

[stable mantle]

It might not be fully functional with physbones.

[ionic jay]

Figured, well. I need to wait for a friend to test it in vrchat, not in unity to test this idea

Although, thanks for the help

[stable mantle]

Whilst i don't want PhysBones to immediately go live i do hope a following beta gets network compatibility.

[scenic phoenix]

As you mentioned that ( this is my thoughts) that would possibly be hard considering only beta users could see the bones so it may make conflict

[stable mantle]

I mean the bones themselves are still there it's just the physics wont be.

Best case scenario, synced parameters and bones would be visible but anything marked as local would not, and there'd be slight delay or degradation (as it'd be syncing bone positions from the avatar host as opposed to processing locally).

So in theory Live users could see the bones move but not if they're local and they wouldn't be able to do anything beyond grab bones.

Likewise, live users would probably default to no-interactivity to prevent interaction on avatars from beta users.

But it'd allow for at least wider testing of physbone features in larger groups or with friends or clients on live editions.

[cursive bridge]

I've seen people testing Contact features in Unity, does anyone know how they do this?

I just wanna grab a bone and test the _IsGrabbed

oh lol we're literally talking about that

I can't figure it out, how are you guys grabbing stuff on your avatars in Unity?

[small surge]

game mode, have camera tagged as MainCamera or you cant do it, custom cam does not have it set as default

[cursive bridge]

oh GAME mode! Damn! Thank!

[ivory turtle]

So, I’m brainstorming possible ideas for when avatar dynamics goes live. One thing I’m wondering is: would it be possible to have particles attach to either other avatars bones or meshes on contact via the new system?

[timber jewel]

Hey, is somone online in PCVR who I could test out something real quick?

[upbeat obsidian]

Still need help with this, if this is even fixable

[bright jungle]

Use the ignore transforms option on your physbone(s), or delete the excess bones in Blender/etc

[upbeat obsidian]

I'll try that, thanks

[timber jewel]

Hope this can be fixed / implemented cause other wise stuff will get out of sync for different people.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1184-late-joiners-wont-see-if-phys-bones-were-grabbed-posed-stretched

[muted bloom]

It is not synched at all to my knowledge. It will fall out of sync on it’s own unless you snap to posted states with networked params.

It will desync without late joiners

[stable mantle]

Wait isn't there a note on PhysBones about adding them to the parameter list not being necessary?

[timber jewel]

still not so great

[vivid hatch]

syncing potentialy hundreds of bones position for each player in the instance, not so great either i would say

[upbeat obsidian]

alright, i did that, but it still says it's not andriod compatible. do I really have to literally have no phys bone transforms and components to have this be quest compatible?? I don't want to delete ALL the transforms and components because then what's the point of having physbones open beta in the first place

[bright jungle]

It's not android compatible because you haven't uploaded it for Android yet

[upbeat obsidian]

im confused, im new to this stuff

[bright jungle]

read the windows/android support fields as
"Is this avatar uploaded for Windows?: Yes"
"Is this avatar uploaded for Android?: No"

[small surge]

switch to android build. upload on same blueprint id, it will say yes

[bright jungle]

^ build and publish the avatar to the same blueprint ID, and it'll be Quest-compatible

[upbeat obsidian]

oh

[stable mantle]

Realistically you shouldn't have hundreds of PhysBones lmao.

[vivid hatch]

realistically it will be the case ^^

[stable mantle]

This is true.

Perhaps have a synced bone limit then?

[timber jewel]

tbh doing one sync at join would still be fine

I mean if you are in the same lobby it shouldn't really get out of sync, at least not by a big degree

biggest problem really are late joiners

[small surge]

60+ rooms easy 2000 bones

[stable mantle]

Perhaps there should be "intelligent sync" then?

Keep a manifest of which bones are currently being grabbed or manipulated, and sync those and only those.

That way only a small handful are synced and the rest are left alone.

[timber jewel]

/ sync bones which are in pose mode

(at least when they are put in to pose mode)

[wheat fjord]

I can't get grab my bones in unity for some reason

anyone else run into this?

[stable mantle]

Purportedly the camera has to be tagged "main camera" in the tags box.

[stable mantle]

👆

You grab them from the game view not the scene view.

[stable mantle]

Wish you could tint the UI normally :|

[nova viper]

No emotes button?

[stable mantle]

Is there any point to adding physbone coliders to props? Like, will the colliders interact with other avatars, or is it just for your own avatar?

[floral flint]

The point is that you can interact with others, and they can interact with you

[stable mantle]

Colliders specifically though? On my own avatar, I noticed PhysBone Colliders do nothing unless I specifically mark them as colliding with a bone.

[floral flint]

Although your colliders will be looking for specific interaction parameters name, so that has to be setup with other people, or follow whatever trend is going on

You're looking for contacts

[stable mantle]

Contacts will trigger interaction but won't "move" bones, when testing in Unity.

Is player to player interaction limited to grab/contact is basically what Im asking.

Or is there a way to have player to player collision on bones as well?

[wheat fjord]

Can you make it so colliders other than hands are affected by a physbone?

[sour epoch]

the built in colliders on the hands, torso, head, and feet will collide with other player's bones but you cannot create new colliders to do the same, no

[stable mantle]

Ah that is, well, a really big shame.

In bitter irony, it nullifies my need for a finite plane, lmao.

Also: Who has something against thumbs?

[wheat fjord]

anything other my hands won't seem to interact with other's avis

[sour epoch]

ok I might be wrong about the torso, head, and feet then. I just assumed

[stable mantle]

I noticed thumbs are not a default, which means my definition of them is pointless as well.

[wheat fjord]

I wish I could make them active for my avatar

[stable mantle]

That kinda limits physical interaction if you can only use 4 fingers for actual physics with players.

(Again though: Why are thumbs not present?)

[ancient egret]

Is there a known reason why receivers can only change floats or/and if that gets extended to boolean and int later?

[bright jungle]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-ints-bools-for-contact-receivers

[stable mantle]

LMAO I thought your icon was familiar, and...

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/permissions-and-settings

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

(I thought I was going crazy a second)

[bright jungle]

that is threatening lmao

[stable mantle]

High key threatening

🙇

[ancient egret]

oh ok ty!

[muted bloom]

It does solve the issue of someone just teleporting in with an enormous collider and making everyone’s physbones go crazy

[wheat fjord]

that has happened randomly before to me, twice and it wasn't anyones collider. Perhaps a bug, couldn't reproduce it so I haven't added it on the feedback thing

Also there's definitely a 3d bug affecting all worlds. Went through and tested in 4 different worlds to see if it would persist outside the avatar dynamic hub and it did. It's reported at least twice in the feedback area tho

[stable mantle]

TBH constraints would be nice because the avatar base I have has a cape, but the left, right, and center are all children of different bones.

If I could use constraints, I could put them all in a "cape" object and use a single PhysBone, just with each child parented to their respective parent.

[mental marsh]

E

[stable mantle]

A

[mental marsh]

Sports

[supple bloom]

It’s in the game

[muted bloom]

Can’t you just reparent the bones in blender anyway

[stable mantle]

Yea but it's preferable that the cape moves with the shoulders as well since they're connected to shoulderpads.

It works how it is, it just uses 3 physbones instead of one.

[muted bloom]

Capes can be weighted to more than one bone

Maybe you could just have a soft gradient blend

[stable mantle]

Gonna be honest Im still learning some things, and my brain is a bit fried from staring at unity all day.

[charred palm]

Just curious, how long till avatar dynamic become live?

[timber jewel]

there is no ETA, it will come when its ready

maybe 2 weeks, maybe 2 months

[cursive bridge]

Sometimes constraints really are the best solution to a problem. Weight painting can only do so much.

[young stream]

Is there any gizmo UI for adding physbones? I see theres gizmos for default colliders but cant seem to find one for adding physbones/new colliders

nvm i found them, my scale was just totally off

[upbeat obsidian]

K, so I finally got it to be quest compatible but idk how to make it windows compatible again so I could add the quest compatible ID in and make it both pc and quest

either I'm very dumb or unity hates me

I already got a seperate project of the same avatar that's on the android built but this project just refuses to have windows support

[stable mantle]

Did you build and upload for Windows using the same Blueprint ID?

[upbeat obsidian]

yup

[stable mantle]

"Windows Support: No" means "This model has not been uploaded to VRChat on this platform"

[mortal plume]

you can copy the ID for the avatar from the Content manager tab of the SDK, and plug it into the Pipeline manager component of your avatar

[upbeat obsidian]

that's what I did

[stable mantle]

What happens when you click build and publish?

[upbeat obsidian]

well it says that it published but it still doesn't show as both pc and quest compatible

either I missed a step or idk

[stable mantle]

It's published for android.

"Windows Support: No" means you never built & published the avatar for that blueprint ID.

Changing blueprint IDs still requires you to build and upload the Avatar. You can't "merge" two existing avatars. They have to be built and uploaded using the same ID.

If you're in the right project just build and publish, and as long as its successful, it should show as "Windows Support: Yes"

[upbeat obsidian]

hm alr, let me try that again then

[stable mantle]

Also make sure to restart Unity — Sometimes the beta SDK gets confused.

[upbeat obsidian]

aight, thanks

it worked!!

thanks a lot

[stable mantle]

NP.

Just in case anyone needs it, I made an optimized avatar test world; The only other one I could find was pretty badly optimized and lagged out Quest when the mirror was on, so I made something a little more performant: https://vrchat.com/home/launch?worldId=wrld_7454e0ef-0dcc-469b-bf2f-dcdd65cc7766

Has 2 mirrors & four chairs, for testing with other avatars.

Might be useful for testing dynamics on Quest?

[unkempt finch]

Its hard going back to live version of VRChat so hype for this update

[stable mantle]

Kinda wish you could do side-by-side installs on Quest

[obsidian wagon]

someone was talking about people trying to make a universal for damage type things with avatars does anyone know what that parameter would be?

[vapid jay]

I'm so excited for avatar dynamics, although when testing I've been having issues with only the end bones being dynamic when using physbones

[upbeat obsidian]

if I wanted to edit something to an avatar that was already uploaded as quest and pc, would I have to apply those changes to both projects? (like the main project and the android build project that was used for the ID)

[hollow hatch]

If you only wanted it on one of them, you would only need to update that build.

[tropic sail]

First of all, #avatar-help

[upbeat obsidian]

oh, i thought it would be different since im on the open beta sdk

[hollow hatch]

It's not, updating an avatar is the same whether you are on the beta or not

[upbeat obsidian]

ah, right, thanks

[shrewd estuary]

aaAAAh

oh neat its for the other beta

[midnight turret]

i am just curious as to why i cannot see the gyzmo stuff for physbones

any thoughts?

i have it selected to show the scripts ion the gyzmo tab

[fallow rock]

do you have the Gizmos enabled on the script itself?

[midnight turret]

i b

yes

i see it in the game window

but not scene windows

[fallow rock]

do you see any gizmos in the scene like lights or cameras?

[midnight turret]

no but they are all enabled

i am unsure what the issue is

[fallow rock]

I imagine your Gizmos are not enabled

[midnight turret]

that would help

shit mouse keeps double clicking when i dont want it to

thanks

[stable wagon]

-.- i love it when unity crash when i building and testing my beta avatar. o.O

[paper shuttle]

How do I do beta?

[shy plover]

#open-beta-info

first post

[stable wagon]

i have notice something in beta. i have AFK setup to spawn a crystal over my avatar. it don't work no more. i feel this maybe a bug within beta avatar

[midnight turret]

this my only problem left on the avatar for physbones, this tongue is size 0 and is animated to scale 1 over 10 frames as you can see it is kinda broken and nothing rlly seems to fix it. any thoughts?

[sour epoch]

you need to check isanimated

[midnight turret]

still does the same thing

[sour epoch]

what exactly are you animating?

[midnight turret]

tongue scale starts at 0,0,0 from the parent

[sour epoch]

are you animating the scale/rotation of the bones or are you animating the max angle?

[midnight turret]

only scale

well

im not animating the physbone at all

i am animating the scale of the bones

instead of just appearing it appears to fall out

is the intented purpose

in dynamicbone it works fine

[sour epoch]

is the problem the twitching?

[midnight turret]

but it just seems to be killing itself

uhh

no lemme take another vbideo

[sour epoch]

yeah show how it works in dynamic bone, I'm not understanding what your goal is

it... seems to be working just fine

[midnight turret]

i just need to finish this so its ready for everyone who bought the avtar previously and this the only thing that is a hang up

[mortal plume]

sheesh the amount of colliders and bones on the tongue...

[molten cobalt]

also wondering if that qualifies as not-safe-for-work the avatar

[sour epoch]

It seems animating the scale to 0 completely zero breaks the simulation, but 0.1 works fine!

[midnight turret]

well a large portion of avatars in vrchat are for pc vr users that are NSFW for use in private worlds and such, the physbone update really really really hurts the people who have created thousands of avatars that people already use in their day to day experience on the game

yeah physbones is great maybe for avatars that have like 50 bones max

but everything else is just a pain in the ass because either the people who have sold avatars have to say "im not converting this" or they have to go throughe very single one of their avatars and re do them

its just very inconsiderate considering that the main reason for physbones is so quest users can see things move

more than 60% of vrchat playerbase is quest platform so obviously they have to cater

but i think a better option was to make physbone portion of this update only for quest use

and dynamic bone remains the same for pcvr

[mortal plume]

no? I don't think that was ever the reason at all. I think the main reason was to improve performance, which has been a really long standing issue. that, and to make something that also offered more features than Dynamic bone, which was a 3rd party asset

[midnight turret]

alright thank you

[mortal plume]

but that wasn't even my point at all

[midnight turret]

i mean you can believe what you want, im just giving you the statistical reason that makes sense to me

[mortal plume]

I was just commenting on the fact that the tongue had wayy too many bones, and that your avatar overall had a ton of colliders and phys bones that probably didn't contribute a whole lot to the avatar in general

[midnight turret]

i just really do not like this update, yeah the physbones are cool i guess

but it undermines years of work by avatar creators that keep this game alive

[sour epoch]

the reason this is a beta is so that you can find issues like that. This is a super clear and easy to reproduce issue anyway, so it should probably be fixed before release. If you find any other issues, please report them so they can be fixed as well

[sullen elk]

It would be good to discuss/find a solution to the scale 0 phys bone breaking thing, as tons of props I'm using bone scale 0 toggles.
Oh hush with that lol

[sour epoch]

has anyone made a canny for this already?

[midnight turret]

no i have not

but i will

i just making sur ei wasnt doing anything wrong

[sullen elk]

Most likely it does exist, I remember conversations about it before.
But I didn't connect it to my floppy ears breaking until just recently.

[lavish pendant]

does anyone know how to only make one bone in a chain grabbable? i tried setting the other one to have 0 radius using a curve but that one can still be grabbed

[raw forge]

The solution is to scale all your toggles to 0.0001 instead of 0. You should never scale anything to 0 in a game as it can cause major issues in scripting. Crashes can occur in actual games that aren't Unity

[sullen elk]

I see, I’ll edit my animations then

[shrewd estuary]

when the scale set to 0 hits

[upbeat obsidian]

i want to add eye wiggles to my avatar since it's a worm on a string with googly eyes so it's basically 2 white holes in the head with two pupils inside them so you could like move and pose the pupils around. But one problem, every time I move the model forward, the eyes go all the way back and stay there until i move the model backwards. any ideas on how I could fix this?

[lavish pendant]

make sure your pull is set to a decent value

and i'd recommend also doing max angle that's about the size of the whole eye

[upbeat obsidian]

oh that worked! thanks!

[final ferry]

anyone know how to make a contacts tracker?

[warm cedar]

Explain

[final ferry]

basically an object e.g a cube sticks on another person

[warm cedar]

constraints 👍

[final ferry]

keyword: another person

[warm cedar]

World constraints I suppose

You can't simply put your gameobject on another person, or you'd have to do some shady networking

[final ferry]

actually you can

ive seen a video

[warm cedar]

Well then you've found your solution

[final ferry]

where someone was able to do it contacts

it's not released yet

0 client involved

wonder if someone else made the same discovery

[ember thorn]

when will the update finally be live ?

[strange spoke]

no given time yet

could be a month

[wraith island]

Poiyomi v8 is now compatible with Single Pass Instanced Stereo

[timber jewel]

wasn't Poiyomi V7 that as well?

[wraith island]

Not fully apparently

[timber jewel]

oh, interesting

I thought they were

[wraith island]

https://octofloofy.shx.gg/5rkbcu5cC.jpeg

[timber jewel]

Sounds more like they just went over everything, looked if it worked and fixed a few small things

btw when is V8 coming out?

[simple quartz]

so we wear the tracker right between the shoulder and elbow instead of just over the elbow then?

[wraith island]

Approximately this month

[wheat fjord]

Trackers don't have to be exactly on the position of the joint or body part, they can be offset as long as you calibrate with them in the corresponding position on your avi. Some people wear their feet tracker's on their ankles, this makes you lose ankle articulation but some dancers prefer it

[simple quartz]

hmm i see

[nova gulch]

what is the stereo rendering thingy?

[old rock]

Be aware that if you wear the trackers where the most amount of movement occurs you generally get better tracking , in particular for smaller / finer movement, as the elbow articulates the most, especially directly opposite the forearm, it's a decent option for positioning them.

[simple quartz]

makes sense as well

[rough pumice]

I can’t wait for PhysBones to release

I’m tired of turning on Dynamic Bones and losing 10 FPS 😂

[robust hearth]

how intense will the physbones be on quest? like will the hair move and stuff?

[warm cedar]

Hair will move and can be set to interact with

people can make certain animations play depening on if you're grabbing, pulling or setting it at an angle.

[latent wave]

yOOO does anyone know if there's a workaround to grabbable physbones when your chracter has no fingers?

[warm cedar]

Custom finger trigger?

[latent wave]

I have this little wooden snake dude and I noticed that with the little hand nubs, it can't grab anything! I can only add colliders

[warm cedar]

Sorry, contact

Setting a contact sender as "Hand" maybe?

[latent wave]

🤔 oh? I actually haven't worked with the trigger system yet I'm actually a little scared to lmao but I need to learn

[warm cedar]

Contacts are easy

[latent wave]

my other though was modeling "fingers" with transparent shaders

[warm cedar]

just set the position, scale and tag, For a sender it's what you will send out, and a receiver to receivet

[latent wave]

I used physbone colliders for this dude but if course it can only push thhe neck and tail bones around

oh not bad at all!

[warm cedar]

you would want a contact sender at your handpalms with the tag either "Hand" or "finger"

Not exactly sure which one to use, but I'm sure you'll find it

[latent wave]

yeah yeah! can the reciever just be tagged as the physbone itself? instead of like a single bone or point

[warm cedar]

It has to be added as a component

wherever you wish it to be

Physbones would need to have it on all points manually, I don't think an automatic version exists just yet

[latent wave]

omg that's such a bummer
i wish I could just put palm/finger markers in and it's like "yeah okay you can interact with everything now"

since I wouldnt be able to use it with friends then

[mossy python]

Is there any way you can change your reaction depending on weather a friend or stranger touches your contact sender?

[small surge]

not easy, if they have a custom contact/recive you can make it friends only

(unless someone make the excact same parameter/trigger , good luck with that)

[muted venture]

excuse me

i cant seem to find where i can enable it on my rift s

im sorry if im a pain

[muted bloom]

you don't need fingers, you only need hands.

you should be able to grab phys bones even if your avatar has no arms - you will just grab with invisible hands

same as you can pick things up in a world without arms

[latent wave]

Yeah I weirdly couldn't do it with only having hand bones? Either way I modeled quick invisible fingers and now it works but I could've been doing something wrong before lol

Win !

[muted venture]

i suck at modelling you are lucky to have talent

[latent wave]

😭 I just made some cubes with an invisible shader

[muted venture]

i wish i could model tho

i have to setup my headset again

panik

[muted venture]

did u model that lol

[latent wave]

Yes! It's a wooden snake toy, the kind that pinch your fingers
Figured it would work well for physbones

[muted venture]

ur good lol

i cant model

[bright jungle]

that's heckin' awesome lmao

[muted venture]

hello

how can i add colliders

its very confusing for me lol

[bright jungle]

Select the gameobject you want to add a collider to, click Add Component, search for "phys", and click the "VRC Phys Bone Collider" component

[rustic shoal]

very cool

[sweet dragon]

one question anybody can tell me why physics bones prevent my tail wag animation from working properly?

[small surge]

enable IsAnimated

[sweet dragon]

bruh... thx

[proud vault]

Might be worth making a Canary post about this if you haven't already

[timber jewel]

that was a realll fast solution xD

[timber jewel]

there actually is btw
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181bug-avatars-do-not-auto-generate-hand-contacts-if-hands-do-not-have-fingers

[sweet dragon]

btw if i wanna to make the physics bones work when the physics bones go live do i need recreate txe fx parameters in my gx layer???

[timber jewel]

gx layer?

[sweet dragon]

*fx sry

[timber jewel]

why would you need to do that?

I mean it should just work

(unless they do some big changes before it goes live)

[sweet dragon]

i just wondering if all of the parameters will be build it the vrc engine or i will need to set it up (i just dont know how exactly it will be set up)

[timber jewel]

I have no idea what you mean

[small surge]

Nothing should change, the biggest one is auto convert wich if the bones dont have radius are going to be hard for anyone to interact with

[timber jewel]

yup

[sweet dragon]

params from fx layeer like grab ear, streach and so on.... that what i meant

[timber jewel]

As I said everything you do in beta should work fine on relase

[timber jewel]

and what is with those?

[small surge]

Tweaking of the new physbones should be done anyway, default are not really good

[sweet dragon]

nwm

[small surge]

posable is enabled by default, you likely dont want that

[timber jewel]

it works fairly well

[small surge]

Theres 1 radius on them, youd want a curve

[timber jewel]

you can use a curve

[cyan pawn]

From my beta testing it seems everything looks good in dis patch probably a few my fixes might need to come here and there then soo before we know it it will be live

[mossy python]

That was an issue with Dynamic Bones too, you can fix it without adding bones by just adding end length to the hand bones if I’m understanding the issue correctly

[latent wave]

OH damn haha
well I ended up just doing this. they're hidden with a poiyomi shader on 0% alpha so they're invisible

[proud vault]

Could you just remove the renderer from the fingers entirely? or does it not work with just the collider, mesh and transform?

[wintry scroll]

I don't see why it would need a renderer if its part of the humanoid armature. Its wouldn't automatically assign which is a pita

[bright jungle]

invisible, but still rendered

they don't need to be weightpainted to anything, the bones just need to be there

[languid basin]

Poiyomi 🤮

[stray flicker]

oh yeah you don't have to have actual modeled fingers, it's possible to have empty bones (bones not weighted to any mesh at all) ^^

(and you can get by, by making at least 3 bones for the fingers, i believe, aka pointer finger + middle finger + thumb, you don't need 3 bones for each finger)

[wintry scroll]

if they are their own skinned mesh renderer then you can easily just remove the skinned mesh renderer.

(after you assign the humanoid rig)

[latent wave]

don't be rude it works for my art style lol

and haha thats fine I can just hide the hand mesh, ty for letting me know! I noticed that my fingers in vrc had the contact points were vaguely matching the mesh shape so i was like "wtf it's not only the bones but the mesh too? I guess I"ll make fingers then"

[wintry scroll]

I don't personally use poiyomi but I have seen really great shading with it.

[bright jungle]

is..the hand it's own mesh renderer?

[timber jewel]

?

[wintry scroll]

Its not as popular as it has been, but there was a trend to hate on poiyomi. Especially since a few years ago it wasn't the most performant. Its a lot better now.

[raw forge]

Yeah all the Very Poor avatar users with 200k+ polys thought a shader was their problem...

[timber jewel]

I mean since Poiyomi is no locked when uploading it should be wayyyy more performant

[near grove]

Is it true open beta won’t release until September ? 🥲🥲🥲

[raw forge]

No ETA

[near grove]

A person told me it was releasing in September lol

[small surge]

no one knows, my guess would still be april 🔨

[raven laurel]

September is too far

it's probably april if everything works out

[limber quartz]

Don't believe everything you hear.

[near grove]

I didn’t that’s why I asked discord 😃

[timber jewel]

I can now pull the cap of my hoodie above my head :p

this is the weird setup I use for it xD

(yes I use plane colliders instead of max angle)

Max angle seems a bit wonky

[molten cobalt]

very cool

[timber jewel]

_Angle is also sometimes a bit wonky

it basically never stands still

unless I fully pull it or put it fully down

[wintry scroll]

that is pretty sick

[warm cedar]

Do contacts work on particles? I'm guessing they don't but I'd love to test this out

[timber jewel]

nope

[warm cedar]

Good, If I were to see you in the beta get ready for an ass-blast, god I love my gun

[granite trail]

you could always put a contact where the particles end up if they arent that random, like at the tip of the flame on a lighter

[warm cedar]

Already had this idea, but my avatar is already very poor enough 😅

[cursive bridge]

@latent wave btw it's good to have weighted mesh for your fingerbones since the Humanoid rig import autopopulates based on bone hierarchy + weighted mesh and nothing else (i.e. not by name). ALSO, there's a lot of Udon stuff that expects/requires fingers with fingertips to operate correctly! Like quality sliders and buttons in a lot of worlds won't work unless you have fingertips.

I haven't gotten around to making a weighted stick figure to make my rig import step easier ): but definitely keep those invisible hands in case you ever need to import the avatar again

I also think that like the robot avatar that explodes, the demo one? I swear it USED to work based JUST on Contacts (I have Senders on my forepaws that send Hand, Hand L/R, Finger, Finger L/R, Index Finger, Index Finger L/R, same on the primary feathers in my wings) and I USED to be able to explode the robot avatar by pressing the button in its back. Now, I can get the button to depress, but I can't get the explosion to trigger just on Contact...

I wonder if the avatar creator updated it :<

To like, only work with your actual Humanoid hands.

[warm cedar]

Stupid question, but are performance ranks increased for quest on beta?

Just checked and my avatar is on quest, but it's only when the quest version is uploaded to pc

I suppose this would be done to make testing easier, but everyone is doing fine too

this is odd

[sour epoch]

This is a bug and will be fixed before release

[warm cedar]

thank god

Imagine the quest casualties if it didn't

[shrewd estuary]

disclaimer: not my image

[azure beacon]

Do I have to do anything special to make bones grabbable and posable besides toggling them on in the phys bone settings? In game, they aren't and I have them turned on in the settings.

[mortal plume]

their radius cannot be 0

[signal condor]

hey so uhhhhh

quick question

[azure beacon]

Oooh. Thank you!

[signal condor]

why will my butt bone not stop jiggling?

[azure beacon]

lmao

[warm cedar]

I managed to do it

Juuuust right

Living on the edge :troll:

[signal condor]

k nvm fixed it

was editing the wrong cheek :P

[warm cedar]

Why damn it, it's you

[signal condor]

why damn it, if it aint mr cord pull

[signal condor]

lmaooo

[small surge]

Have similar anim (mixamo) , to stand up again you can just play it in reverse

mine is randomized tho, so not sure wich one its going to play when someone poke the back

🔨 bump

[muted bloom]

This needs a SDK warning to be honest

[azure beacon]

Yeah, it does

Else that'd gonna be a recurring issue

[quasi bramble]

Sickk

[strange spoke]

Yeah that would be nice, i feel like i'm going to forget to do that a few times for certain

someone go make a canny about it if it hasnt been made already gogogo

[lavish pendant]

btw speaking of radius, does anyone know how to only make one bone in a chain grabbable? i already tried making the other ones have 0 radius using a curve but somehow you can still grab them

[shrewd estuary]

gonna push u down the stairs

[shrewd estuary]

dont use 0 radius

use 0.0001 or something

[lavish pendant]

is there a way to do that with a curve because it just uses the widest radius at the other end of the bone i don't want to be grabbable

[stable mantle]

They're talking about making an end bone grabbable but not the root bone that defines it, without making the end bone a root bone.

[shrewd estuary]

aa

[mortal surge]

By an inch or a mile, I always say.

[molten cobalt]

https://i.gyazo.com/5eccfc4f2c67c8cc6bc2a0831a2b521c.mp4

have follow this tutorial and got a nose Boop except for some reason the sound is not playing in the editor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4mMA3gZlSs&t=1359s

[jade magnet]

you have Sound enabled in your scene view?

[molten cobalt]

I tried clicking the button and it will not turn on while in play mode

[jade magnet]

in play mode you may need an Audio Listener inside the audio source's range

[molten cobalt]

okay testing in vrchat the Sound works

tested and nose Boop works on Quest

[wintry girder]

Aaaaah I have ideas for stuff I want to make but nowhere near the skill to do it lol... Oh well.. time to try anyways, I'll make a proof of concept of sorts as that's about the most I can manage XD

[lavish pendant]

i made a canny for the issue i'm having, upvote it if you would: https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1184-physbones-set-to-have-0-radius-using-a-curve-are-still-grabbable

[rustic citrus]

I imported the latest version of the beta avatar SDK and am now getting this error in the editor which is keeping the SDK from loading and the editor from entering play mode

[azure beacon]

Can you please send a full size screenshot? That one isn't helpful

[charred palm]

What cause avatar to jitter?

Because I add physbone and it's making body/head jitter

[charred palm]

Nvm

[inner drift]

Is this where we talk about issues we have with the beta?

[molten cobalt]

yes

[winter dragon]

https://youtu.be/9a7wmoIuEnE

[pallid rock]

So how are the new avatars coming along? Also, has anyone tried a high elasticity physbones avatar? If so, what do you think about that? I heard it would be great for snaketaurs/nagas/lamias/gorgons/I'm running out of half snake, half human terms.

[scarlet girder]

how hard would it be to integrate this to work with a vrc avatar in real time? https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/omniverse/apps/audio2face/

[heady onyx]

Hey so are there any predictions as to when the beta will be a normal part of the game?

[austere quail]

#open-beta-announcements message

[fallow rock]

a day, a week, a month. It'll release when it's ready.

[heady onyx]

Yeah no I know, just curious if there was ever an estimate put out

[stable wagon]

only in dream. date when come out, unknown. give them time and when it do come out. i almost sure you be alive to see it 🙂

[heady onyx]

Lmao alrighty

[true ice]

Would anyone know why this would be happening to an avatar while on the..phys bones beta? The Expressions menu is like greyed out, the fx is connected properly to the avatar as far as i can tell so im not sure why its happening. Body is also stuck in like...a crouching pose like it does when going into playmode on unity

[river wing]

has anybody done a physbone ragdoll yet? and how would it be affected by world colliders? or.. not just swing my avatar around under the map
(nvm i think world physbones are coming in a later update)
(nvm again i think thats something else)

[umbral apex]

What are your expression parameters

[true ice]

Uh....the correct ones? Im unsure what you mean. They currently look like this

[umbral apex]

You might be using a reserved VRC param

Or a duplicate

I think that broke avatars, as least when I tried the open beta

[true ice]

I checked to make sure they were not the example basic robots params if thats what youre sugesting. Or are you suggesting something else?

would renaming them fix it?

[umbral apex]

Post a screenshot of the parameter file, I don’t remember all of the vrc params

[true ice]

This?

[umbral apex]

Why would this help

[true ice]

lol idk, you ask for the actual files XD

[umbral apex]

The inspector

[true ice]

Yea one sec

[umbral apex]

Does the sdk give you any warnings?

Try deleting the empty ones

[true ice]

Alright ill give that a shot. But no, no warnings beyond the standard Overall performance thing saying its not good, and then that it recoments one skinned mesh render over the 4 currently there.

no luck sadly with deleting them

There are these warnings in the console

[iron stratus]

they aren't red so ur good

[true ice]

Yea, no red warnings luckily

[iron stratus]

then u should be fine

[true ice]

Sadly nope, it still doesnt work

Expressions menu is still greyed out

[iron stratus]

oh hm..yeah sorry about that im not sure what it is..

[umbral apex]

Have you updated to the latest open beta SDK

[true ice]

Yup

It functions fine on the live build. Just not the beta, even with the updated SDK

[umbral apex]

Unlucky. Try opening the debug panel from the action menu. Options>config>debug or something

[true ice]

Alright, ill give that a shot

"No information available"

[umbral apex]

You can also try removing layers one by one, rebuild and test

I’d remove the menu and param first, keeping the layers

[true ice]

Alright ill give that a shot, but yea it says no info available

deffinently not an sdk2 so

ill give what you suggest a shot

oh hey!

Removing the para and menu fixed it!

so that means something with them is messing with stuff

[umbral apex]

I have no idea if any of those params are reserved. What about the menu? Setting any params not in the params file?

[true ice]

I shall check that now

Found it!

Apparently, there was a duplicate one in the parameters which was doing it?

like one of them was doubled

which doesnt do anything on live, but does mess it up in beta i guess

[umbral apex]

In an animator controller? Or the expression menu?

[true ice]

in the...parameter file.

[warm cedar]

Particle system

very poor on quest

I can basically eyeball performance ranks now, which is pretty sad when you think about it

[molten cobalt]

I know I'll have to come up with a different visual for Quest just was doing quick testing

[molten cobalt]

and actually it's poor having one particle effect not very poor https://i.gyazo.com/f259c9d73eb27570da6a4c35c803f7c1.png

[warm cedar]

Alright, good job with that

[warm cedar]

Facial visemes, works the best

[molten cobalt]

good to know and yeah I already have the pleasant facial expression so I can just skip the particles on Quest

https://i.gyazo.com/bac89b5e81b326170df6df9301011666.mp4 also got headpats to control tailwag speed

[warm cedar]

That is one stiff tail

What do I know, all I did was convert a cord ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[molten cobalt]

I was testing with physics bones off

and I also probably need to make a better tail wag animation as I had a tool spit out that wag

[vast sorrel]

Is there the avatar has phys bone be like generic Avater? Beeeeeen T pose and no Tracking in beta ver. not all ways but sometaimes and never fix until you close the VRC.

sometime I try ViveProEye and Facial tracker use OSC signals. In that case my PC sometime says error the USB resorce is almost full !! So I try reduce USB conection.

And that sometime. OSC's error or something.... accecing VRC server is oftenly miss. some Avatar pedestal says No Image, and move to other world fail and infinite loading.

I need repot it? or known issue?

[pulsar kiln]

I just updated to beta. I need people to hang out with. 38 female

[timber jewel]

By popular demand xD

[lean socket]

I am in love with this

[molten cobalt]

https://i.gyazo.com/f2327f60ef2e1af53b984f446ec47517.mp4 ears perk up a little now

[tender flower]

can I ask, do I need to add a Collider to my hands?

[timber jewel]

nope

Colliders in your hands and fingers are added automatically

[tender flower]

k just checking

[dusk obsidian]

Do only certain avatars work for the beta on quest?

Because I went though all of my avis and none have worked

[gritty moat]

do i have to import dynamic bones for the physbone to be added?

[small surge]

no

its just a 'VRC Phys Bone' Component"

[molten cobalt]

there is no Auto conversion to physics bones with Quest avatars because there are no Dynamic bones to convert

so basically Quest avatars been need to be manually upgraded to use physics bones

[dusk obsidian]

Ok ok

[molten cobalt]

so not a whole lot to do on Quest if you don't upload your own avatars

[dusk obsidian]

Coolio, got it! Ty!

[gilded tundra]

Is there any info on when it will be released?

I’m sick of switching to the beta but it’s also worth it too

[restive tapir]

can you share the configuration? how do you trigger the animations?

[molten cobalt]

no current ETA on release

[gilded tundra]

Damn

[arctic flare]

it's the [Parameter]_streched variable which gets created when you give the new bone system a parameter name I think. Used the same to let my avi make an angry face when someone pulls on the hair

This one here. Since it is a float you can do blended animations so the more you pull, the more the ears, etc. move

[urban salmon]

Did you make the hood scrunch around your face yet?

[gritty moat]

How do i add it then without importing db?

[molten cobalt]

dynamic bone aren't needed at all to add physics bone components

[gritty moat]

Oh

But then what do i do so it has physbones? I have the sdk imported but idk what to after that

[small surge]

you add phys bone component on something like a tail, hairstrand, whatever you want to move, edit the settings / radius

[gritty moat]

So i have to add it myself?

[molten cobalt]

yes

[arctic flare]

There are defaults for the hands, head, etc. but for anything more fancy: Yes you have to add them yourself

[robust hearth]

i have a question about the physbones/ open beta on quest. we can only play with other people who have the update. right?

[shrewd estuary]

yes

[robust hearth]

ahh alralr i’ll just wait then

[molten cobalt]

yeah good idea to wait if you're not in the mood to be a beta tester

[timber jewel]

Nope, I'm not good at blender at all xD

[muted bloom]

Don’t need to and shouldn’t: use the ones on your avatar descriptor if you want to move or resize them

These are both contacts and global physbone colliders, the only way to interact with other people’s.

Ones that you add manually will not do that

[molten aspen]

Constraints on Quest when?

Dunno if it's as simple as whitelisting the component, but they're really nice for moving stuff.

anyway back on topic

contacts are all floats, what

[timber jewel]

They are, there is a canny to make constant a bool

You normally don't need them to be a synced parameter, unelss you want to do toggles with them

[cursive bridge]

I DO kind of like how easy it is to upgrade them to a different kind of Contact when they're all just FLOATS* anyway though.

I hope if they make a bool option they preserve somehow idk how the ability to just leave them all floats.

Like maybe I wanna mess around without having to go revise a bunch of stuff in my animation controller every time yknow.

sorry FLOATS anyway LMAO

[pulsar kiln]

Any idea when the beta will be ready to go live? I tried it today and it's great but heckin lonely

[cursive bridge]

No news on that front yet.

[pulsar kiln]

Imma cry lol

[cursive bridge]

SERIOUSLY constraints on Quest when tho

I do SO much cool shit and it's like. All. constraintbased

[pulsar kiln]

I didn't notice any constraints

[cursive bridge]

A constraint is a special Unity thing

Quest users can't see them,

[pulsar kiln]

Or am I misunderstanding

[cursive bridge]

it's a thing you can add that lets you make one transform "behave LIKE" another transform, like in position, rotation, or both.

[pulsar kiln]

Hmmm ok

[cursive bridge]

It's the best way to eg unsheathe a sword from your back

[pulsar kiln]

I hate the segregation of pc and quest

[cursive bridge]

you have a parent constraint or whatever on the sword that can make it behave as if it's parent is the sheathe... OR change to acting like its parent is ur hand

[molten cobalt]

unfortunately nothing can be done about that technologically

[cursive bridge]

just with one thing.

[pulsar kiln]

Wait I can unsheath a put put putter

Lol

[cursive bridge]

Yeah constraints are just the BEST way to do it?

[molten cobalt]

yes

[cursive bridge]

There are other ways but they're like, hacky, like, turning the whole thing on and off to make it look like it's moved

like you'd have a copy in your hand and a copy on your back

[pulsar kiln]

Sounds like it's gonna hurt my brain. Just got up from a nap now getting soniclol

Yah that's how it works in secondlife

An invisible version in your habd

[glass cloud]

any estimates on when live version will have dynamics? one of my friends asked and they dont have discord

[molten cobalt]

there is no ETA at the moment

[shrewd estuary]

woah funny buttons

[inner kayak]

vrcat bot need beta eta faq

[mossy python]

You can do this with a particle system

That’s how I get around stuff like that on Quest

For example, that’s how I made the health bars like this

[muted bloom]

They could be whitelisted; I don’t think we’ve ever had an official statement why they aren’t

The workarounds too deal with not having a parent constraint just makes even laggier set ups that are allowed

[quasi bramble]

Wait actually? or was that just a question

[muted bloom]

It’s a question

[quasi bramble]

ohh

[muted bloom]

Constraints are not coming to quest, at least there’s been no announcement of it if you want them vote up the feature request for it

[quasi bramble]

hmm ok

but what you showed on the video was pretty cool

[muted bloom]

That’s not mine lol

@mossy python posted that

Or rather @molten aspen

Sorry for the pings lol

[quasi bramble]

oh

[molten aspen]

oooo, nice.
I guess you can't really do this with contacts ln a particle though.

[mossy python]

You can, you’d just need a particle system with some sub emitters

And add contact receivers to the sub emitters

[meager fiber]

how long do open beta's usually take before they're put on the live version? does anyone know a good estimate? just curious lol

[sour epoch]

Most are only two weeks, but due to the large scale of avatar dynamics, it's going to take longer to make sure that everyone is happy

[meager fiber]

maybe like before summer?

late spring I assume

or do you think it would be earlier

[sour epoch]

definitely less than 3 months

probably less than 2 months

maybe less than 1 month

[meager fiber]

oh alright thats fine then if its less than 2 months lol

my guess is sometime towards the late middle of april

[mental marsh]

E

[slender ocean]

hmmm physbones seem to totally ignore colliders when it comes to player movement

if you do it in the editor its fine it hits the collider, if you grab it its fine, but if you walk around like on desktop it goes straight through

how the heck am i gonna collect evidence to make a canny tho lol

[turbid saffron]

Demonstrate in front of a mirror.

[umbral apex]

Is there already a canny

[slender ocean]

ok i think i pinned it down,

if you use the root transform slot on the collider component, it doesnt work in game

hmm, no something else going on here

it only doesnt work on my avatar lol, in an abstract test its fine

[sick badger]

Anyone have an idea why a sender and receiver collider would work in unity but not once uploaded to vrchat?

[sacred zealot]

Made a whoopee cushion that I can set any where in the world lol

[vital badger]

okay so I’m wanting to access the open betas of vrchat through steam but when I select a beta I want to try it asks for a code
Where would I find this code because it won’t let me access it without it?

[frosty river]

Codes are only used for closed/private betas. Open betas just use the drop down then close the window

[vital badger]

Okay thx that worked

[ebon marlin]

about to make a avatar to show the issue but was curious if anyone else has had issues with receivers not detecting the correct foot, and cant upload to a avatar set to public.

[ebon marlin]

keep trying to make make a system to make noises when is step but keep finding bugs inverting the left and right feet. https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1184-bug-foot-detection-inverted

[warm cedar]

Anyone else remember the day 1 chaos in this chat?

For AD

[slender ocean]

they claim to have fixed that in the latest beta patch, make sure you're using the newest beta sdk

[ebon marlin]

i am, they fixed this issue https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-bug-foot-colliders-not-assigned-to-correct-foot which I made as well.

the avatar descriptor seams to show it being put on the correct foot but when im in game and using a receiver to detect the left and right foot its switched.

the video i posted in the canny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df-Dnv2ZvyA

updated the new canny to say the sdk version.

[uneven jacinth]

Oh no. Lol.

[strange spoke]

thats funny thats actually one of the first things i wanted to try when the new system released, i didnt know that it was gonna be that complicated though XD Boy am i glad you're the one working on it though

other thing i wanted to do was make my bell collar make jingle noises, hoping that isnt too hard to set up

[muted brook]

Shouldnt be too hard to do

[strange spoke]

nah i think a contact and reciever should be the basis and then just have a sound with it, i'd also try to see if i could change volume based on velocity it collides at too

i havent even taken a look at that stuff yet though, i've been far too busy

[sweet dragon]

I can confirm that thing is working but i didnt test IT with volocity and volume, bc idk how yet.

[strange spoke]

notedddd

[near grove]

Is the phys bones sdk the sdk there showing in the open beta announcements

I was going to try out the phys bones beta but wanted to make sure I do it right and not mess up something

[gusty forge]

A simple methed I could think of to do velocity and volume would be to have different contact receivers and in the transitions have the highest velocity first, next the second and so on. The animations would just be for the different volumes

[sweet dragon]

I think to rec animations on different volumes whitch activate if the velocyty is higher than some bimber yep.

[sacred zealot]

I'm having the same issue but I haven't checked my sdk version yet! I'll check again later then find your canny post if it's still doing it for me. I made light up shoes! I also had to anchor the contacts to the world because they move way too much on my avatar

[languid basin]

Did they add sounds for quest on open beta?

[inner kayak]

no

[languid basin]

Ok I was curious because some random dude on quest was able to hear it

Probably just accidentally glitched the quest icon

[inner kayak]

[inner kayak]

you can have the quest tag set if you upload an avatar for quest while in game on pc

it sometimes just appears i guess also

[quaint geode]

not sure if this is a good bug to talk about though, since it just encourages people to try to spam upload content to try to get it to work

it rarely happens, and more recently it lasts less than a few minutes

it used to last much much longer, and have much buggier side-effects

[slow pendant]

is this a place to ask for help with physbones?

[wintry scroll]

yes

[slow pendant]

Im trying to make grabbable bones but idk how

[wintry scroll]

snip your inspector

[slow pendant]

what

[wintry scroll]

use snipping tool to take a screenshot of your inspector which you can then post into this channel

[slow pendant]

oh ok

[wintry scroll]

try unchecking allow collision

[slow pendant]

ok

[mossy python]

That literally makes it ungrabbable

You need to increase your collision radius

[slow pendant]

ok

[small surge]

That radius is very small , can you see them, if not its going to be hard to grab

[mossy python]

Try to use the C (curve) to make the radius the shape and size of whatever you want grabbed

[slow pendant]

whats a good value for a tie?

or is the radius mean that its only grabbable if someone is in the radius

[sweet dragon]

Q; So i have animated tail and just wondering how to make it stop animating when someon grabs my tail??

[mossy python]

Depends on how the model was imported

[sweet dragon]

radius ia a value what tells you how big is he area of grab

[mossy python]

Just pay attention to the gizmo in the editor and try to match up the collision size with the shape of the tie

[small surge]

You tail should instantly stop animating when someone grab it already, can add a float IsGrabbed and turn off IsAnimated, but not really needed

[slow pendant]

I did that

[mossy python]

Should be good to go then

[slow pendant]

ok

[mossy python]

You can test by clicking and dragging the tie around in the Game window while the scene is playing

[sweet dragon]

i testeg it once and i think tail was still animated (or meaby my tail could be still to floopy?)

[mossy python]

Try messing with values while the animation is off

[small surge]

if you have the slightly older sdk, it will behave wierd on IsAnimated

[slow pendant]

can you be a little more specific pls bc Idk what im doing tbh

[mossy python]

Press the ▶️ button at the top of the editor, it should automatically put you in the Game window

[slow pendant]

oh ok

it says no cameras rendering

[mossy python]

You need to add a camera to the scene then

[slow pendant]

ok

it works thank you

[mossy python]

Do note any edits you make while the scene is playing will be reverted when you stop playing

[mossy python]

👍

[sweet dragon]

so i need to check the sdk and if needed import the new again to overridr old one?

[fluid peak]

Quick question, when you grab a bone can you spin it or only move it around?

[sweet dragon]

You grab the bone and you can move with whole chain ex grab tail and make it vloser to you or someone else but if you wanna Rotate it.... hm

[quaint geode]

so originally with DynamicBone, it worked properly to have two scripts with the same root bone (but each script functioning on different children bones), since DynamicBone did not translate/rotate the root bone

now with PhysBones, it seems to rotate the root bone, so I assume the same setup doesn't work anymore?

I guess I can just create some empty bones to separate the two bone groups just to be safe... another avatar sending me back to blender xD

[bright jungle]

you should have a physbone per base of a chain, instead of having one physbone on a root bone (like the head or etc)

having multiple physbones also makes it easier to spread the work across multiple threads

[quaint geode]

technically both setups use the same amount of scripts, it's just one setup needs a few extra bones simply to organize them

assuming exclusions don't hurt performance at all, creating extra placeholder bones to organize groups is worse for performance

but it's just a matter if having two scripts with the same root bone messes up the setup or not

I guess a few extra bones is worth making sure it isn't broken for now ._.

[inner creek]

If physbones affect the root bone why don't you just go down one on the chain, would it not behave the same as a dynamic bone would?

[quaint geode]

oh, they each affect multiple children bones (but different ones)

[small surge]

Im seeing the opposite of that, it doesnt affect root (guess cause its root of a bunch of other bones)

[quaint geode]

so it would turn like 2 scripts into like 6

I haven't seen any root movement myself from testing too, but it DOES* mention it in the documentation

Unlike Dynamic Bones, the root bone of a PhysBone chain is permitted to rotate. It can't translate, though. This can have some consequences with certain setups-- try things out on your own to see how it behaves.
https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/physbones

Unless it doesn't actually mean the script itself will rotate the root? It's hard to tell

[small surge]

dynamic bone would make some like my hair root flail all over, physbone dont

[quaint geode]

but wait, people use the head bone all the time for dynamic bone root, so if it was true dynamic bone moved the root, wouldn't it be really obvious?

[small surge]

can avoid it with radius stuff so it dont

[quaint geode]

hmmm

[dreamy skiff]

Been trying to get the motion of a sword being unsheathed when the handle is grabbed and pulled but I haven't been able to get it working. Am I missing something?

[sweet dragon]

i have a katana and two recivers (first shows the sword and put it on my hip and second feciver slightly higher puts sword in my hand) first reciver have allow self interact as well as the second one but left hand is to show the sword and the right is to take it from hip to hand) I usr parent costrain as well

[sweet dragon]

Can i call you to have the whole picture?

[dreamy skiff]

Yes, but it will have to be in a bit though since I'm needing to keep an ear out

[sweet dragon]

i will at least show you my set up

[meager sedge]

Dumb question but did'nt find any anwser

Can I play with people "normal version" when I play with the "Open beta version" on steam ?

[quaint geode]

The current PhysBones* OpenBeta is not Network Compatible, so you will not be able to see players on live while on the beta client, and vice versa

[meager sedge]

Thanks a lot. Precise anwser

[shrewd estuary]

oh yeah the ik beta is network compatible though so if you want a beta that tests new stuff while also being compatible with live you can go test that

the ik beta will still remain active after avatar dynamics comes out if i remember correctly

[sweet dragon]

but it is posible to see another open beta user bc i kinda wanna test the things i set up... right?

[quaint geode]

yes, that is correct, you can find a lot of players on the OpenBeta in the Avatar Dynamics Hub (search on "dynamics" in the world search), or use the portal from the default home

[dreamy skiff]

Pictures with an explanation would probably be better

[drowsy reef]

are they going to add a way to disable avatar interactions per person. to stop that one annoying player who keeps grabbing your bones and pushing your buttons. but still allow others do to so?

[twin musk]

Should I hold back on the insane number of bones I have on my avatar, if I want them to be long physics bone chains? Is the new system fit to handle it?

[sweet dragon]

in game you have 3 optioln nobady, frends and everyone

[drowsy reef]

you tell me

[shrewd estuary]

the new system is much more optimized but you probably shouldnt have like 20 thousand bones

[drowsy reef]

i know but what if i dont want to disable it for everyone

[drowsy reef]

im sure everyone seen my avatar lucy that randomly popped off xD

[bronze void]

Hi hi! This is a curious question but do you think its possible to have psybones on all bones of my tiny avatar so it can be picked up by other players?

[hazy fable]

is the new beta sdk broken for anyone else?

[quaint geode]

it might be possible, but it might be very difficult to get the avatar to move properly if it's humanoid
might have to recreate all the default moving animations

[quaint geode]

if you updated from the very first PhyBones OpenBeta SDK, to one of the more recent versions, you might have to delete the file mentioned in the #open-beta-announcements, mentioned here
#open-beta-announcements message

[inner creek]

You can't drive the physbone parameters with animations right? Did a cursory check by changing the gravity in an looping animation and nothing happened. Just asking here to sanity check.

[glass cloud]

alright ty

[warm cedar]

Mistakes were made.

[sweet dragon]

yep

[mental marsh]

I love the hud

[mental marsh]

What about fifty thousand?

[shrewd estuary]

rookie numbers

[mental marsh]

10mil

[shrewd estuary]

thats more like it

[mental marsh]

Alright I will see what I can do

Unity time

[shrewd estuary]

for legal reasons im jokin

[mental marsh]

Imagine imagining how to imagine

[near grove]

I need help I want to get out of beta but it’s not letting me

So I have a quick question about phys bones If anyone knows, I’ve so far set them up on the avatar colliders and all, however it won’t let me upload the avatar.

[warm cedar]

you're gunna need to give more info for that to be answered

it keeps going.

[near grove]

what kind of info?

[warm cedar]

Physbones info, unity error, sdk build

[near grove]

ah. i see i will when im not busy

[mossy python]

This is why I don’t hang out with other furries

[severe meteor]

everytime I join someone I cant see them

[strange silo]

if your on the beta you can't see people who are on the live version.

[warm cedar]

Solution made

[stable rivet]

i remember you instead from in game

[outer wolf]

is the beta sdk required for physbones?

[molten cobalt]

yes

[outer wolf]

knew it

[outer wolf]

thank you!

[mossy python]

See mine is just a massive fuck off sword from Kirby that has every PvP parameter I have come across

[warm cedar]

Lookin' sharp

[mossy python]

Gonna actually make some animations for toggling it on and off

In the game you drop the Ability as a star that dissolves shortly after so I’m gonna try to incorporate that

Example

I love apple sometimes

[shrewd estuary]

when the accidentally clicking on a chair hits

[mossy python]

And by that I mean I hate it

[tired hill]

Hey I don't know if anyone can answer this but are there any other fixes for quest users who are stuck in the open beta? My friend has already tried the uninstall and reinstall fix that has been suggested but it doesn't work for them, are there any other things they can try?

[shrewd estuary]

just keep kinda sorta doing it ig

no other fixes are known other than factory resetting iirc

[tired hill]

Okay thanks

[shrewd estuary]

blame facebook for being shitty at managing betas

[stable mantle]

Try switching to the beta on the store again, waiting 10 minutes or so, then switching back to the base channel, via the Oculus Store website (not the mobile app).

For some reason VRC betas in particular have trouble.

I'd honestly recommend VRChat publishing betas as a separate listing, so we can also test betas without having to wipe our data or use ADB to downgrade.

Would make it easier.

[formal breach]

To swap back to live on Quest, swap back to the live channel in Oculus, then wait 5-10 minutes, then reinstall VRChat on the Quest.
It's funky because technically since this has a higher version number than live, Oculus won't install it. Keep in mind though, doing this may wipe photos.

[nova crescent]

Might anyone have any experience trying to animate any of the phys bones values? I'm working on something with phys bones that has a toggle that changes the values of the phys bone component, and whenever played it seems to either do nothing, or the results are very much not the values.

[ashen fulcrum]

Has anyone run into an issue where posing any bone on a model locks up the head bone? It unlocks the head bone when I reset the pose

[tardy mason]

When will physbones be able so we can see people without having to change back and forth

[ashen fulcrum]

It seems grabbing any of my hair bones locks up my head bone rotation

wondering if that's a bug or something is going on or my avatar has an issue. I made sure to default my playable layers so i dont think any of my animations could've messed with it

[sullen elk]

Is your phys bone root your head? Because once you pose that you’ll also pose your head so it’ll stay in place (that’s actually an interesting note to consider and add to canny)

[ashen fulcrum]

Oh right it is

O wow yea i didnt think about that, that it would actually grab my head

[sullen elk]

That probably is behaviour creators might need to get control over of what is considered poseable and not…

[ashen fulcrum]

that would honestly be great if we could

i can make a root hair bone and not use my head as the root as a workaround i guess

thanks!

[sullen vigil]

I really wish contacts had a larger max radius.. so i could just use proximity contacts with a FinalIK Raytracer prefab to make a functional Range finder.

[shadow chasm]

yay finally got my POC for pulling a sword out of thin air trick to work.

[quasi bramble]

Hey, I was wondering if you could teach me how to make what you had in the video? If you are able to of course.

[quasi bramble]

Also, very cool!

[pallid rock]

quick q, can people with the beta be in non beta servers

[molten cobalt]

you can only see other people in the beta

[shadow chasm]

I need to go and thin up my cross sections so I can make the "portal" a lot thinner... It will look so much snazzier

[quasi bramble]

ye

[near grove]

Can anyone explain how to put physbones into an avi, or have a video on how? I got a file from an avi creator/editor- (their name is bwmp) And my friend wants to know if there's anything he could possibly be missing before he does it, He's uploaded many avis before and is a pc user, he knows all the basics on how to upload and everything and does editing as well. I just wanna make sure he's not miss anything or make any mistakes.

[tidal crag]

Update going live when? 👀

[molten cobalt]

there is no ETA on when it's going live

[shrewd estuary]

2030 (joke)

[violet iron]

20200

[keen nova]

Hey guys, weird question, does anyone know why the contact Sender/Receiver pram has to be a float?
I mean, It can manually be converted to get 256 data points out of, just seems weird that it's the only option.

[stable mantle]

Because it's being used as either a bool or a percentage, AFAIK.

So 0 is 0% (no contact), 1 is 100% (full contact), and the values in-between are % distance within range.

For modes that set this only to 1 or 0 you can also use an integer (at least in testing), and I've heard of bools being used on the animator controller as well. But I can't confirm this.

[keen nova]

Fair enough, guess I'll just have to use math to convert to int/8 bools lol.

[warm cedar]

April 1st, 2022, as the biggest joke to go down in history

[sullen elk]

In the canny they’re looking into possibly adding bools and ints so we don’t need to convert, so it might be something that changes in time or not

[shrewd estuary]

a mild amount of trollin

[warm cedar]

I think they're gunna start a riot if they did that

[shrewd estuary]

when the general 1 hits

[warm cedar]

I'm not advanced enough in the discord lore to understand the joke lol

[shrewd estuary]

alright so basically, every time vrchat releases a slightly major update, at least someone in #vrchat-general-1 is gonna complain about it

i am very caught up in my vrchat discord lore

[warm cedar]

This time it will be the dynamic bone conversion

or quest players lagging in their 1249 Collision check physbone avatars lol

[shrewd estuary]

"why my game lagging"

"yeah i have the two trillion poly catgirl avatar shown so what"

[warm cedar]

I get mini aneurisms talking to people using that avatar

Not their fault it's unoptimised but I'm still shaming the laughable performance

(517 mats, no props is ridiculous.)

[shrewd estuary]

when the fishnets that are actually 3d modelled hit

[warm cedar]

When the 3 meter long wedding dress hits

[shrewd estuary]

how many collision checks in that dress

[warm cedar]

Idk the 32-bit integer limit

the sky's the limit when you don't give a damn

[shrewd estuary]

vrchat users somehow making avatars that pass the 32 bit integer limit in polygons when that isn't even supposed to be possible:

[warm cedar]

Mesh read/write disabled

[shrewd estuary]

no mesh read/write??

[insert that megamind meme pic]

[warm cedar]

Don't know why people don't just enable it

[shrewd estuary]

because it's for NERDS!!!

/j

[warm cedar]

I'm a NERD So I will ENABLE

[shrewd estuary]

impossible

[warm cedar]

possible

[shrewd estuary]

REAL

ok im going to bed i might test beta tmr idk

[warm cedar]

He enabled mesh read/write
(H)e en(a)bled (m)esh read/write

I just found the worst joke for a quest user

Laugh.mp3

Oh shit, The quest users couldn't hear me.

[warm cedar]

Pc elitism, such a mood

Not mine though, Quest users are cool.
Above the age of 12.

[keen nova]

Man, mini floats are annoying to convert lol

[lime yarrow]

Random feature idea, tell me what you think about it: Having Avatar Tags (when you upload an avatar, or even in the avatar descriptor itself though being able to do it on upload could maybe make it work with 2.0 avatars as well(?)) that automatically set your avatar's automatic senders to send those tags, so that you can have things that discriminate between types of avatars without having to manually add a sender to your avatar with a bunch of tags (which people won't really do on their own most times, but a tagging system that automatically prompts you to add tags when you go to upload would make this more of a common thing)
And before anybody points out how this could be used in a toxic way, I know. But so can most things.

[timber jewel]

I think you meant 13 (minimum age for VRC is 13)

[jovial thorn]

Hey I was wondering if anyone knows how to add physbones to avatars?

[warm cedar]

Above 12 as an int, excluding 12

[fallow rock]

Ensure you’re using the beta sdk and then add the component to a game object.

[jovial thorn]

I’m assuming that’s a separate download?

[fallow rock]

Separate to what? Vrchat?
Grab the sdk from here and throw it in your project.
#open-beta-announcements message
Don’t mix sdks and you should be good.

[jovial thorn]

Okay, thank you!

[timber jewel]

Ah okay for me above 12 sounds like everything after your 12th birthday so, 12 Years and 1 day would be included in that

[warm cedar]

I may be an idiot

But I'm not that stupid

[timber jewel]

sorry for not being english native then I guess?

[mossy python]

Then there’s me, the enigma. Owner of a PC with an RTX 3070 that chooses to play standalone Quest

[warm cedar]

I'm not native English myself, we all make mistakes

[shadow chasm]

Is it possible to have the physbone angle parameters get exported by osc with our making them avatar parameters? Its such a waste of the 128MB adding them as synced parameters, but osc won't seem to export them if they aren't synced.

Adding them in the osc config file doesn't seem to work for some reason

[gusty forge]

I believe this was a known issue mentioned in the first beta anncouncement. Looks likr for now we'll have to use synced parameters until it's fixed

I could be misinterperting it though

[wraith island]

Depends if they're over 13 or not
Nvm didn't notice the thing under it

[restive charm]

like a geometry shader or like passing two int32 and casting them to a int64?

[sterile aspen]

guys anyone knows when the new update is coming?

[hazy linden]

When it's ready. It could be 2 weeks, it could be 2 months. They havent given a date.
You're like the 20th person to ask so far

[wheat fjord]

Judging by past updates... They've always added beta updates on thursdays or fridays. If the trend continues, there'll be a update to the beta sometime tonight.

[wintry scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-it-sponge-bob-gif-5332916

My unity is still quite a bit more prone to crashing than usual (but is less than last beta sdk)

[warm cedar]

Tonight? Bahaha what a joje

joke*

(Please don't I have 3 unfinished avis)

even if they were to release it today.. I mean.. no parentconstraints for contacts, a bummer

[wheat fjord]

Not live release, a beta update. I was clear about that

[warm cedar]

I am fucking blind holy shit

I am so sorry

[wheat fjord]

They've always released the beta updates thursday or friday of every week since the 4th

[warm cedar]

Pretty much, yes

[wheat fjord]

The 4th was a friday was well

Friday, the 4th, Thurday the 10th, Friday the 18. See the pattern?