open-beta-discussion

[lean grotto]

thanks all for dealing with a beginner's quarrels lol

<3

[gilded stream]

Lol, back then it would have been pretty cheap, yeah?

[stable wagon]

XD

[gilded stream]

No worries, we've all been there.

[small surge]

Does quest project now need dynbones, cause it sure asking for it in sdk, threw a hissy fit until i imported it

[dim cloak]

Time to go mess with my flowy swaying tail on vrc for a bit haha

[gilded stream]

If you're trying to convert, yeah.

[hollow belfry]

quest still has shit hardware and that's not going to change, maybe when quest 3 comes out

[small surge]

im not , never used it on this project

quest only av's old ones

[sour epoch]

The PB end offset behavior has not changed - it still is based on the end bone transform as opposed to DB based on the component's rotation. But we didn't want to use the component rotation because that just doesn't make sense, so in auto-conversion, instead it will create a leaf bone at the tip that should be placed in exactly the same place as the dynamic bone's end length

[near grove]

I added a comment updating them if you want to heart it

[wind marlin]

Uh I can’t leave beta

[fading abyss]

im working on a avatar and its walking and side to side the head moves the opposite way

[spice garden]

bruh

[dim cloak]

?

[sour epoch]

delete the VRCSDK folder and reimport the new SDK

[small surge]

same thing without dynbones it threw a fit, imported it behaved

[stable wagon]

you may have to delete sdk. than install it

[spice garden]

kk

[near grove]

On that YT video you uploaded, I added a comment informing them about the other way to convert DB to PB.

[dim cloak]

Ah I just got the notification for it! Thanks!

[quaint geode]

this problem will happen to everyone who used the previous beta SDK and imports the new SDK... I wonder if we should pin a message somewhere...

[near grove]

NP

[wind marlin]

help

[dire raven]

Well not exactly. The Quest 2 have a lot of potential if the amount of particle is not exaggerated

[vital summit]

is the updated SDK published yet?

[small surge]

#open-beta-announcements

[vital summit]

my bad, thank you

[wind marlin]

I can’t leave beta….

[quaint geode]

if on Oculus trying to get back to live: try to set the branch to live, then uninstall and reinstall VRChat

[stable wagon]

quest beta? there a limit on update. uninstall it than install vrchat. make sure it not beta you install it

[wind marlin]

Okie

You are life savers my girlfriend is waiting me thanks a million

[hollow belfry]

what do you mean? quest has the hardware of an old cellphone, that's pretty shit. transparency makes it all slower so don't expect to see it until there is a hardware upgrade.
but this is not really related to the beta so maybe this is not the right channel for that discussion

[stable wagon]

i hope quest 3 be better. still no spec

[stable wagon]

unistall sdk. install new sdk

[muted bloom]

I was about to ask - what's the upgrade path here? Seems to give errors if upgrading over the previous Beta SDK

[inner kayak]

delete VRCSDK folder, reimport new SDK

[crimson nexus]

so the update just now was just a bunch of bug fixes?

[muted bloom]

That won't kill state behaviors, will it?

[jagged tapir]

delete ? okay

[stable wagon]

delete your old sdk to fix your problem

[hollow belfry]

#open-beta-announcements

[quaint geode]

I'm already backing up the old project before trying to delete the SDK ._.

[muted bloom]

I'm yolo'ing it because I have a pre-beta backup. I'll let you know if I blue'd myself.

[hollow hatch]

pretty sure same rules apply as non beta deletion updates, don't do it. Rather, not recommended

[inner kayak]

oh i remember seeing something in the documentation about that... mine didn't break but i guess make a backup

[dire raven]

Well just walk around on naruto or demon slayer worlds or other worlds using Quest 2 and you will notice that only the avatar with exaggerated particles can cause a gltitch and crash so If you use wisely the quest 2 can handle it but yes a quest 3 will handle it more easily

[muted bloom]

YOLO

[unkempt finch]

Trying to think the best way of having a joint/cigarette that you can put onto your face or slip into your fingers using Recivers and senders but im having issues when trying to figure out how to lay it out in the FX layer.

[wraith island]

it will, dont

[muted bloom]

I'm doin it. [i have a backup]

[jagged tapir]

not work

[jovial thorn]

Question, will we have to re-upload all of our avatars or will physbones automatically be applied once this goes completely live

[small surge]

auto isnt that good, better to edit it then reupload

[near grove]

This person is cool, because of this one statement. Be like this person

[hollow hatch]

Avatar you upload now should work in live when live becomes what the beta is

[quaint geode]

there's an ingame option to convert dynbones into PhyBones that's enabled by default, but the auto conversion currently doesn't match the look of the old DynBones that well

[near grove]

• Copy - Copy - Copy - Copy - Copy - Copy - Copy - Copy - Copy

[jovial thorn]

Ah okay, I only have a quest 2 and finding someone who can reupload my avatars for me would be a pain

[noble sluice]

autoconversion will get you like 70-80% of the way there, but nothing beats reuploading with a properly tested physbone setup

[jovial thorn]

Thanks for responses!

[near grove]

Although, Physbones can be added to Quest now.

[ionic bison]

Can someone try specifically deleting the file Assets\VRCSDK\SDK3A\Editor\PhysboneMigration.cs

[jovial thorn]

Wait whaaaaaaat?

[jovial thorn]

How exactly do I do that?

[sour epoch]

If you have issues with the auto-conversion, please make a canny about it and be as detailed as you can with a picture of the settings as they were before, the settings they auto-converted to, and then tweak it until it looks good and take a picture of the new settings

[small surge]

Have one thats public people tried out, big ears they can poke, questers tried it a few times

[near grove]

You just, well, add them... I guess.

[bright jungle]

add a vrc_physbone component to a bone on your avatar, in Unity

[muted bloom]

Errors gone. Should I reimport today's SDK?

[near grove]

As per Tupper - Yes, PhysBones works on Quest. we did ittttttttt

[tender dome]

auto conversion actually worked pretty well on my avatar

[small surge]

Thickness of the collider tend to be thin , no curve (long hair for exsample)

[bright jungle]

auto-conversion worked pretty well on the ancient sdk2 ver of my avatar somehow

[jovial thorn]

Too bad I don’t have a pc

[ionic bison]

If you try to reimport, all files should be present

[tender dome]

physbone components on humanoid bones still makes avatars wiggle 😔

[fading abyss]

yup

[sour epoch]

yep, that issue is still in progress. It will be in the patch notes when fixed

[fading abyss]

ive been trying to get help

i dont understand why its doing this

[tender dome]

glad to hear it ^^

[bright jungle]

wow, my brain has reached a new level of smooth
was testing an avatar and wondering why it wasn't working

i was on live

[near grove]

Please, elaborate, what is wrong

[bright jungle]

wHy are my pHysBones sTatIC

[fading abyss]

did you look at the video?

its going side to side

[sour epoch]

Do you have a physbone on the hip?

[near grove]

It seems there is a walking animation with a sway

I would assume either there is a physbone on the hip, or the animation pulls the avatar left and right via root.

[fading abyss]

no its in game as well i do have them on the hip just because thats how it converted

[jagged tapir]

i need to reset multiple time if I want it work + nothing change with new SDK for this problem

[tender dome]

^

[near grove]

So this is your Walkcycle animation, yes?

[fading abyss]

yes i use it to show case my assets or avatars

[near grove]

Is there a physbone there?

On the hip?

[fading abyss]

yes

[near grove]

That is why then

You need to remove the physbone on all Humanoid Bones

[fading abyss]

so then where would you put them

[near grove]

On the bone itself

[fading abyss]

so like butt bones

boob bone

[near grove]

The whatever you are trying to jiggle root bone

[fading abyss]

instead of chest

hip

ok

[strange spoke]

@ionic bison you mention to fix those errors to delete a specific file, do we delete this file before or after importing the update? or does it matter?

[near grove]

If it is a single bone, it sometimes may not work, so place an empty gameobject in it's place for the math.

[sick badger]

yep
I made "chassies" to hold them so that I could use less physbone descriptors
so like chest- boob root- boob L/R

[quaint geode]

ooo getting rid of the Assets\VRCSDK\SDK3A\Editor\PhysboneMigration.cs seems to work, as mentioned in the #open-beta-announcements

I did it afterwards

[strange spoke]

after? okidoke

sounds good thank you

[ionic bison]

Yep, after

[jovial thorn]

Okay so I’m a little confused, how to I try out the beta on quest 2? I’ve been trying but I can’t figure it out

[shrewd estuary]

thanks aev very cool

@jovial thorn

[jovial thorn]

Oh great heavens thank you

[shrewd estuary]

scrolling back through my messages speedrun

[quaint geode]

new pb

[jovial thorn]

Very fast service 10/10 would recommend

[bright jungle]

weew, frantically finding a fire extinguisher to put out his flaming scroll wheel:

[shrewd estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-mouse-scrolling-mouse-scroll-canned-air-logitech-gif-20346749

this is me

[bright jungle]

lmao

[shrewd estuary]

but yeah uhhhhhhj these update notes are very cool thx vrc team

[stable wagon]

lol. testing work better if i use my rebuild avatar

[shrewd estuary]

me omw to hop into the beta branch just to mess around with that version of the default robot that's in the avatar dynamics hub

i like how they go ":D" when you grab one of their ears

[near grove]

I go D:

That hurted my guy

[keen nova]

Ooo.. New beta stuff.

[near grove]

Touchscreen things are now possible is the first thing that came to my head lol

[shrewd estuary]

but are blow dryers possible?

[near grove]

I am going to make flappybird on my avatar, and sell it for $5000 as (iPhone 4s with OG Flappybird, No Jailbreak)

[golden beacon]

I Wish you could go back to Live

Because Now me and my friend is stuck in beta and cant play with any friends

[shrewd estuary]

reinstall

[near grove]

You aren't stuck

Just opt out and reinstall if on Oculus, and Steam just opt out and Sidegrade.

[stable wagon]

why i keep finding room with 0 player-.-

[pallid pike]

Likely different channel

[hollow belfry]

#open-beta-info not compatible with live

[stable wagon]

i think so

[shrewd estuary]

beta not network compatible

[golden beacon]

ill try it but from what i here from others reinstalling doesn’t always work 🤷

[near grove]

Try opting out of beta BEFORE reinstalling

[patent gull]

I just tried updating my test avatar with the new SDK and it seems to have broke my project, Unity says the prefab does not exist and refuses to upload

[golden beacon]

I was just online with a friend on Beta wdym theres no networking on beta?

[patent gull]

I have no shaders on this avatar

[shrewd estuary]

beta can join beta

but beta cant join live

[golden beacon]

Oh 💀

[hollow belfry]

#open-beta-info

[quaint geode]

at the bottom of the #open-beta-announcements, it says what to do if you get errors in the console, by deleting that one file

assuming you had the old beta SDK, and went to the new beta SDK

[muted onyx]

One of my avatars doesn't move at all. It has a Poor rating, which I assume is the case. But is there anything else that might cause it to just stay in place?

[jagged tapir]

@muted onyx reset
reset
reset and again reset

until it work

[muted onyx]

That actually works?

[near grove]

Rating has nothing to do with movement, is it rigged, did you put the descriptor in the right position

[patent gull]

ah, that fixed it

[muted onyx]

Yeah, everything should be right. It works just fine outside of the beta

[golden beacon]

it needs BONES to move 🦴

[sour epoch]

that was a problem if you had duplicate parameters or re-defined a built-in parameter like voice. But it should be fixed in the latest version. Make sure you have version 1183, not 1181

if it's still an issue in 1183, please make a canny and post the avatar ID so they can look into it

[dark dune]

Do contact receivers only send float parameters? I've had trouble receiving int and bool parameters, but I keep seeing my parameters showing up in the debug window as floats, so I'm wondering if contact receivers just send everything as floats because they have the proximity mode? 🤔

[quaint geode]

yeah I think they plan to add other types later, but only floats work at the moment for contacts*

[dark dune]

Ahhh, ok, that explains what I'm seeing. Thanks!

[stable wagon]

work great when i tested it. i am wondering something. how do i keep tail of avatar going into the ground or is it auto

[sour epoch]

you can add a plane collider on the ground of your avatar to stop the tail

[stable wagon]

ok. thank

[vital summit]

I need help with my avatar. Adding my custom expression menu that works before the beta completely breaks my avatar. Locomotion system dosent work and the expression menu locks up so I cant acsess it. Anyone know why?

[shrewd estuary]

animator issue

[vital summit]

I fiqured that

But nothing past that

[shrewd estuary]

prolly a canny 4 that

[sour epoch]

check what version you have in the settings tab, is it 1183 or 1181?

[vital summit]

newest, but happened in 1181 and 1183

[sour epoch]

then make a canny and post the avatar ID

[vital summit]

Ok

[jovial thorn]

Hey! Figured out how to get into the beta, now I’m wondering how to do the automatic physbones conversion? Someone said there’s an in game option but I don’t see it

[sour epoch]

it's in safety > performance options. But it's enabled by default

you can toggle it to compare how well the conversion did though

[quaint geode]

it's where the old DynBone Limiter used to be if that helps at all xD

oh, of course there is no ingame* conversion option on Quest, since Dynamic Bones never existed on Quest so there would be none to convert

[jovial thorn]

Ohhhh okay, was very confused there because I didn’t see it

[sour epoch]

open beta means it's not live

[quaint geode]

live refers to the normal live version of the game in this sense

[covert remnant]

It won't let me get out of open beta on oculus quest 2. I tried changing it to live it won't pop up an update.

[sour epoch]

yeah I can see how that's confusing, it is "live" as in "ready for you to try" but that doesn't mean "officially launched and selected by default"

[quaint geode]

if on Oculus, try setting the build to the live game version, then uninstall and reinstall VRchat

[sour epoch]

it's still opt-in. When everything is ready and the bugs have been ironed out, it will be launched to the "live" version of vrchat, which means on by default and everyone will have it

[stable wagon]

is this what i use to keep tail going into the ground and how do i resize?

[sour epoch]

you can't resize plane colliders, they're infinite

[quaint geode]

it may look like a little box, but it goes infinitely in all directions

[covert remnant]

But here's the thing. I don't want to uninstall it. I'm scared of losing my saved progress

[shrewd estuary]

plaaaaane

[covert remnant]

I have so much saved

[stable wagon]

oh

[covert remnant]

I'm scared of erasing it

[shrewd estuary]

u wont lose ur favorites n stuff

thats tied to ur acc

[quaint geode]

I honestly don't know much about the Oculus version of the game, but your friends/avatars/etc are saved to your VRChat account

I have no clue where they save their screenshots tho XD

[shrewd estuary]

the quests OS

[twilit cosmos]

Screenshots should be in camera

[covert remnant]

Will my friends, avatars be saved to my oculus account

[shrewd estuary]

yes

everythin is on ur acc

not the headset

u wont lose anythin

[stable wagon]

i found open discord in quest 2 browser is the easy way sharing photo. other than that. your just out of luck

[shrewd estuary]

theyre on the quests os

u just gotta look

[covert remnant]

So I'll be good with my stuff

[shrewd estuary]

yes

[molten cobalt]

yes the only thing that'll happen is basically it'll be the equivalent of hitting the clear cache button so like world's you want to visit would have to be redownloaded

[covert remnant]

Wait

[molten cobalt]

that's not going to affect you like World favorites list

[wraith island]

mmh i have issues uploading content currently

[quaint geode]

if you're getting errors in the console, after going from the old Beta SDK to the new Beta SDK, try deleting the file mentioned at the bottom of #open-beta-announcements

[wraith island]

its not that

upload never finishes

[lean grotto]

where to find Assets\VRCSDK\SDK3A\Editor\PhysboneMigration.cs?

been looking around file location, can't locate it

[stable wagon]

maybe just me but i dont think this work. did i root to wrong thing

[raw hawk]

So if I'm having issues, would giving a download of my model help even more than the avatar ID would? Because maybe the way I made things the last 2+ years is the cause..... I play Dynamic Bones on an Empty Game Object for organization. And basically all my models 1000+ with DB have issues from locked head and or origin being incorrect. Can update on my VRCanny about it.

Standing. Head doesn't track/move.

[quaint geode]

this is a known issue on the canny, I think they are still working on it

[raw hawk]

When I crouch.

[lean grotto]

nvm, i was looking in file explorer instead of unity folders

whoops

[quaint geode]

affects all IK bones with PhyBones on them (be they naive PhyBones or converted)

[raw hawk]

ya i figured as much. Just wanna help if possible.

[quaint geode]

did you assign the Collider to your PhyBone script (it has a section for colliders you have to add it to)?

[stable wagon]

oh. no i put on plane lol

thank

[lean grotto]

uhhh

i imported the new sdk on top of the old one and closed my unity project so i could re-launch it, and now unity hub just. won't open the project

[covert remnant]

I just looked at the reviews for VRCHAT on oculus quest. People are stuck in the beta just like me

I can't get out of beta

[quaint geode]

there are a lot of reports of people having trouble getting out of the beta on Oculus*, but most people when setting the build to live and uninstalling and reinstalling will fix it

[hollow belfry]

there's already a canny about that I think

I also saw some models with a stiff neck

[jovial thorn]

Wondering if I convert physbones on my laptop, will it work on my oculus 🤔 gonna try it

[hollow belfry]

had to do with the placement of the bones on the hierarchy I think

[lean grotto]

anyone know anything about a solution for this?

i restarted unity hub a few times, nothin

[quaint geode]

if you only deleted that one file mentioned in the announcements, after going from the old beta SDK to the new SDK, it shouldn't prevent the project from opening ;_;

and that should have been done inside Unity of course

[lean grotto]

i couldn't delete the file because i closed the project before i could do that

and now it won't open

[quaint geode]

I'm worried you may have deleted something else on mistake, and it would be difficult to troubleshoot it

if you're on Windows, double check your recycle bin, see what you have deleted recently

[lean grotto]

i didn't delete anything

[quaint geode]

hmmmm

[lean grotto]

i imported the new sdk, closed the project, tried to open it

that's it

[dark dune]

Ok, so... I updated my animators to use float params, but I'm still not seeing any state transitions in-game, and my parameter in the debug window isn't changing when I touch the contact either. Wonder if I'm missing something, or if something's broken about "On Enter" contacts...

[quaint geode]

I haven't experimented with contacts that much yet, but I heard they must be tagged

like if you want it to be triggered with a finger for example, you need Finger tag

[stable wagon]

well. i look into my problem later. i just put tail back to it old setting

[dark dune]

Yeah, I've got it tagged to fingers, and I can actually see the contact turning green, so I know that part is working

[glass plaza]

When will avatar dynamics be released fully? I'm excited to try it out with my friends

[quaint geode]

the best I can do is link to one of Wolf's tutorials, he has a ton of tutorials on the new OpenBeta stuff and contacts, and just peek through to see if you did something wrong maybe ._.

[little pendant]

I have a bug report with the new beta

[quaint geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igh9IEbxIP0

[dark dune]

Thanks! I'll take a look at these, I haven't seen them yet!

[limber quartz]

Report it here please.
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta

[little pendant]

Thanks

[brave forge]

Looks like I'm getting that bug where people are not able to play vrchat due to after it installs still says install. Looks like it's my time to fix another issue for myself and see if there is a possible fix for it. 0_0

When they switch from beta to live.

Letting you know I'm having the same issue you are. When you install on the main account and it still says install. Go back on the 2nd account and install there as well and when it shows start. Click it.

[stable wagon]

now i got mute system setup to turn avatar sound off with a toggle. that way if people push my nose or other sound trigger. it will not bug other within game.

[near grove]

Holy crap the hair on quest is too violent

[stable wagon]

o.O

[dreamy field]

Hey so I just updated to the open beta, but I can’t seem to find any worlds with people in them. Am I only allowed to join worlds with people who also are on the beta?

[brave forge]

That's the physbone settings. You can make it less violent based on the avatar creators.

[near grove]

Ohhh

[stable wagon]

we all have same problem

[dreamy field]

Yikes okay

[stable wagon]

just keep trying

[dreamy field]

Sad times

[brave forge]

In the default home world there is a portal to the hub where people test the avatars.

[near grove]

Wait

[near grove]

Are you trying to join friends that aren't on open beta

[dreamy field]

Yeah^

[stable wagon]

well. it not live

[sick surge]

having trouble adding an idle tail wag animation in open beta? not sure if this is just the beta tho. i couldve sworn it would work in older versions?

[brave forge]

Not cross beta/live. They need to be on beta as well.

[near grove]

You'll have to go back to non beta

[dreamy field]

Aight

[sick surge]

Also im having this issue where my tail and ear controls dont move the ears and tails as much as they did in older versions?

like the tail should be extended much farther out ?

[minor crypt]

Yeah I have an avatar who's ears lay down with an expression and now they don't seem to be?

[sick surge]

ahhh ok good so its not just me

is this a known issue ?

[minor crypt]

Yeah not sure how to fix it but it is an issue for me as well

[sick surge]

guess ill throw it on the bug reports if its not already there

[minor crypt]

Ye I'll upvote or whatever

[covert remnant]

So to be able to get back to live. I must uninstall it and re install again?

[sick surge]

figured out how to fix it

[stable wagon]

tell you truth. i never use float or bool tell beta testing. i mostly use int 🙂

[sick surge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-in-client-auto-conversion-breaking-animated-bones this post is the same issue, and they say in the comments to fix it you have to enable "is Animated" on all of the physbones

bc for some odd reason its not set to be on by default when dynamic bones are converted

it fixes this issue though!

[stable wagon]

people really do learn alot taking part of beta, even know it can be broken or may not be same when it go live

[limpid nest]

Alright! Found out how to get back on live after beta!

Hooray!

[limpid nest]

yep, sadly.

[covert remnant]

Are they working on fixing VRCHAT to be able to play with people? Or able to remove open beta

[shrewd estuary]

the open beta is not network compatible

you cant join ur friends on the live branch and they cant join you

[mortal surge]

You can always leave open beta, usually the same way you joined. If you're on steam you just opt out if I remember, and with oculus you use the same little drop down you got into it with to switch back to "Live" on the store page.

[stiff acorn]

You have to reinstall the game after switching back to live on Oculus though. It doesn't automatically download the correct version like Steam does.

[mortal surge]

It did in my case. Just queued the update.

[stiff acorn]

It's not for a lot of people though. Else there wouldn't be tons of people complaining about it.

[mortal surge]

So, chances are you'll have to double check if you swap it on oculus. Make sure it updates and if it doesn't, just reinstall.

[covert remnant]

But in order to go back to live. You must uninstall VRCHAT on oculus quest 2 and reinstall it

[mortal surge]

Ah, I'm on oculus desktop.

[stiff acorn]

Yeah, I meant on Quest.

[lusty rapids]

I use my quest for my laptop love the PC version of vrchat

[stiff acorn]

Didn't know people even used Oculus's desktop store lol, most people use SteamVR.

[mortal surge]

I get different performance on steam vs on oculus. Native app runs better when I'm using the rift.

It's an old cv1, so it's probably part of the problem. Lol

Though it is better these days.

[rough token]

hey so i have some friends that are on quest and cant get out of the open beta do someone know how to get out of it they are having trouble

[lusty rapids]

My laptop can't take steamvr :/

[mortal surge]

Seems at the moment, you'll have to opt out back into LIVE from the store page, then uninstall and reinstall VRChat. At least, that's what I'm gathering here.

It doesn't automatically leave and swap.

[rough token]

okay thanks @mortal surge

[mortal surge]

No problem.

Thank these guys, I didn't even know until a moment back. Lol

[sick surge]

anyone elses idle tail animations and the like not working on this update?

[small surge]

Set IsAnimated if it has physbones , dont think the autoconvert does it

[sick surge]

yeah

i checked it bc my tail and ear controls werent working

but idle tail wags dont seem to work

ive never done it before so i might just be doing it wrong but ive tried multiple methods

ive tried putting it in an additive layer, and ive tried just putting it in the regular default animator

neither work

[covert remnant]

Has uninstalling and reinstall VRCHAT fix back to being in live?

[timber plinth]

yes

[limpid nest]

it has for me, I just turn my version to live in the oculus app, delete vrchat, redownload it and boom.

[timber plinth]

still need to do that

isanimated is "fixed" for now but to fix another problem we might need this for togglable stuff like tongues:
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-request-enableactive-property-for-physbones-colliders-and-contacts

[near grove]

can anyone make avatars?

[cursive bridge]

yeah

[lime yarrow]

No, nobody can make avatars. None of us. It's impossible. /s but if you're asking if anybody will make one for you, they probably won't unless you pay them. Check out the VRC Traders discord

[sick surge]

fixed my tail wag lmao, parameter was misspelled 💀

[near grove]

send ut

it in dms

[lime yarrow]

#community-servers-old message

[covert remnant]

Did your stuff saved like your avatars, friends, etc?

[modest ivy]

all that stuff is saved to your account online

[native wing]

Is there a site to find beta instances? The beta world is filled w those outside of it so a 15/16 player world will only have 1-3 people in it (also I wanna go into other worlds)

[minor crypt]

ty!!

[misty swift]

Can someone help me? I got on the beta last night and everything was fine but when I came home and got on today it won’t let me join any of my friends every time I join a new server a public server or even my friends it puts me in the world by myself

[jovial sedge]

Gotta make sure everyone's build of the beta is updated, there was a patch recently

[misty swift]

I checked to see if I needed an update and it said that I was up-to-date could it just be a bug?

Like literally everything was fine yesterday and I joined the world in one of my friends was in it but after that nobody can join me and I can’t join anyone else

[jovial sedge]

Could try validating files, Steam likes to horribly fail on updates a lot

[misty swift]

I’m on quest 😅

[jovial sedge]

Ah

there's a build number in the debug menu, somewhere in the options, that's the last thing I'd have to guess on

1183 is what everyone should be on right now I think

[limpid nest]

It saves yes.

[near grove]

Does anyone have any idea when open beta will go live ? Or maybe even an estimate ?

[limpid nest]

cause they probably don’t have beta.

[covert remnant]

It will never go live

Since it's only beta

[dim cloak]

safe bet is no less than two weeks. My actual guess would be 3 to 4 weeks.

[near grove]

So I can never see my friends again ?

[misty swift]

It’s going live within the next two weeks to a month

[near grove]

Pretend that’s in caps

[limpid nest]

^

[nocturne talon]

revert to regular release?

[covert remnant]

Unless you go back to live

[near grove]

Everyone else says it’s gonna go live 💀 you’re misleading me

That was false advertisement

[nocturne talon]

that was a joke

[covert remnant]

It will never go live

[limpid nest]

Betas always go live.

[covert remnant]

Some don't

[near grove]

False advertisement ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[limpid nest]

a rare chance of it not going live.

It’s a very small chance.

[covert remnant]

Well I'm not sure

[misty swift]

It’s literally going live soon VR chat models already confirmed that

[near grove]

I C a n T

I’ve tried every thing

[misty swift]

What are you wan

[limpid nest]

Are you stuck in beta?

[misty swift]

On*

[limpid nest]

Cause I can help if your on quest.

[inner kayak]

reinstalling after switching to live?

[limpid nest]

yep.

[inner kayak]

if that doesnt work, factory reset

[near grove]

I’m on quest

[limpid nest]

switch to live on the oculus app, then delete and reinstall vrchat.

[near grove]

Bet

[limpid nest]

it worked for me.

[misty swift]

There’s no promises and that’ll work hundreds of people are actually stuck in the beta

But I hope it works for you

[near grove]

Ty Ty

[limpid nest]

They get stuck cause some forget to switch to live through the app.

[near grove]

If it doesn’t work I’m robbing mark Zuckerberg

[hollow birch]

WHy the fuck can't they just say hey were working on this instead they write a fucking essay 😑

[timber jewel]

Because that's not how change logs work....

[molten cobalt]

question is this your first time dealing with a open beta

[tender dome]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1183-avatar-initialization-bug

[hollow birch]

No its not I just don't have time to read a damn essay just to see nothing's changed is all

[tender dome]

literally all the changes are written in the code block in the announcement but ok

[molten cobalt]

and hey the shaders are going to change quite a bit in a upcoming version start upgrading now is a big thing

[sick surge]

anyone happen to know around when physbones might be set to release?

[sudden basalt]

wait, is the feedback here that we're explaining things too much?

[sick surge]

im waiting to update one of the base models I sell until it comes out ;;

[inner kayak]

no pls explain more

i like reading new things

[sick surge]

getting very antsy to update it because ive done a lot of cool stuff ;;

[sudden basalt]

unfortunately we can't really provide any dates as it's extremely important that the PhysBones release goes as smoothly as possible, as it's a very significant change for everyone - but we're workin' on it!

gotta eliminate as many bugs and get as many improvements in as we can before it goes live

a lot to do!

[sick surge]

gotcha, thank you for the hard work!

[molten cobalt]

like getting the Auto converter working correctly is probably quite important considering there's a lot of Legacy content that's going to rely entirely on that

[inner kayak]

auto convert worked pretty well for a few of my models, but some others it was a bit weird
(mainly ones that used force)

[dim cloak]

I would genuinely rather wait a month or more for all of this to be implemented if it ends up being smooth for people on live. Quality > Speed for sure

[hybrid lion]

Custom shaders can break? Who would have thought lel

[sudden basalt]

I'd agree! I don't think we're specifically rushing and the team's really focused on getting it as right as possible but if I had to guess, there are some issues that we probably won't fully capture until things head into live

[molten cobalt]

so probably not something where we would be jumping straight into a new open beta as soon as Avatar Dynamics releases as it would take some live refinement

[dim cloak]

Even if some issues make it to live we appreciate the effort into it. The bones run much better than dynamic bones do and I think at least slow iterations onto the contacts system that people have made canny posts about will be extremely welcome additions to what we're able to do with it. The testing has been extremely fun and the new systems are a welcome addition to avatar creators for sure.

[tender dome]

do you have any idea of which beta will go live first? (IK or AD)

[molten cobalt]

I haven't done much to my avatar except add physics bones but I'm already excited by all the new Avatar possibilities

[tender dome]

im putting all kinds of bullshit and nonsense on my avatar just for testing purposes

[dim cloak]

same ^

lol

messing with something really cool on the lightsaber at the moment

[sudden basalt]

definitely depends! Open Betas help us test other stuff, too - but I can tell you that Avatar Dynamics isn't something that is being dropped and moved on from, so while it's not impossible that we'll have another Open Beta, I would still expect improvements for AD in the releases to come

[dry pulsar]

Looks like some issues still exist if your dynbone is attached to your hip

[molten cobalt]

it'll be interesting to see what new Avatar editing tools pop-up after Avatar Dynamics releases so folks who aren't knowledgeable would have cool stuff on their avatars as well

[molten cobalt]

good to know it's going to have more refinement

[dim cloak]

I mean it is pretty safe to say that AD are going to be a standard (as they should be) on avatars going forward.

[timber jewel]

And also coming for Worlds :p
I suppose that will get an open beta at least

[sudden basalt]

Not fully sure quite yet on this, they're both undergoing a lot of work so it's a little bit difficult to say at the moment

[dim cloak]

The interactivity and the way it works with the system is too clean (even though it's in beta) for us not to be able to interact with one another like we can in the beta.

[tender dome]

haptic feedback for physbones pls :c

[sudden basalt]

we definitely really, really appreciate everyone putting in the work to test things!

[molten cobalt]

have you posted a canary request or see if there's one already made

[tender dome]

yeah

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-controller-haptics-when-interacting-with-phys-bones

[molten cobalt]

have already upvoted and on a nice note it's listed as
TRACKED INTERNALLY

https://twitter.com/whiteflare_vrc/status/1502169255206584325?s=20&t=B3m2qRFbjxshHz-U9RiihQ

フレア/whiteflare (@whiteflare_vrc)

とりあえず、こちら SinglePassStereo (Instanced) に対応してるシェーダ・してないシェーダのサンプルです。
Instanced にして両眼視したときに壊れるのは未対応、壊れないのは対応済と考えて良いかなと思います。 https://t.co/G2eDu8idMd

Twitter · Mar 11, 2022, 6:27 AM

"Translated from Japanese
For the time being, here is a sample of shaders that support SinglePassStereo (Instanced) and those that do not.
I think it's okay to think that it is unsupported if it breaks when viewed with both eyes as Instanced, and that it is already supported if it does not break. Not supported are arktoon, AXCS, MToon, SunaoShader, UTS.
"

[mossy python]

Found an odd bug. My head collider only works when I actually have its visibility toggled in debug

Any idea why?

The only thing I can think of is it scaling the object down locally because it scales the head down

Others said the collider was working adding credibility to that theory

Nope

Didn’t fix it

Gonna try with the newest SDK

Still broken

Think this is just a bug with the new update

[left roost]

Anyone have any idea why my viewpoint would be drifting when I move my avatar around both in game and in editor? I cant seem to figure this one out EDIT: Nvm figured it out 🙂

[daring hatch]

i have a question if it can be answered. will avatar dynamics be finished within this month even if you don’t know an exact date an estimate is fine.

[mossy python]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1183-head-colliders-do-not-work-on-quest

Made a canny for it

[coarse stag]

MToon should support SPS-I. Please update to the latest UniVRM or MToon from Santarh (Aug 2021 has it at least)

[molten cobalt]

good to know

[coarse stag]

Ah that was that japanese tweet. Surprising they ran into issues with mtoon, unless the code is wrong. I didn't actually test it mind you

Regarding head colliders, isn't the head scaled down? How would a collider work when the whole head is scaled

[obsidian wagon]

anyone know how i can test my models contact receiver without uploading the model

[near grove]

While I was happy to see that unity now throws an error if you use a reserved paramater, eg using Voice, I think going forward it would be in VRC's best interest to prefix any reserved parameter with VRC so a creator should not inadvertently use a parameter that will end up breaking in a future update due to updates to the Animator Parameter list. I posted it here:

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1183-vrc-built-in-parameters-should-be-prefixed-with-vrc

[dim cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igh9IEbxIP0

[indigo sorrel]

On Oculus Quest 2, is there any way to return to the live build without reinstalling?

As changing the version back in the app does not appear to work.

[obsidian wagon]

from what i have seen you have to change the version in the app then uninstall then reinstall

[indigo sorrel]

OK. So there is no other way... Oof... Thanks

[obsidian wagon]

do you know how to make it so when i enter a receiver it will toggle a bool and the stay toggled until i enter a different collider?

shoot ment to turn off the ping my bad

[strange spoke]

im glad you care! I just had like a 20 minute long arguement with a friend in the game who was shit talking you devs saying you guys were doing all this work for nothing it made me so mad xD

[timber jewel]

There will always be people who will be like "change = bad"

[strange spoke]

dude

god i could go on for hours about it, i've run into so many weirdos lol

[timber jewel]

There are also people who still wanna use SDK2 for thier worlds and avatars....

[near grove]

My avatar is stuck in the T pose if i upload it with physbones + the new sdk

it seems to only happen when i attach my fx controller and my parameters/menu

idk why

it worked on the last sdk

[limber quartz]

Kung mentioned it before, but it's probably more likely that AD will go live first. Considering IK 2.0 beta is live-compatible, work on that will be more lax and spread out over a longer period of time.

And once AD goes live, it'll of course be merged with the ik-beta branch.

[rugged dirge]

how do I get colliders to work.

[void pier]

Hi there! I have an Oculus Rift S. If I wanted flexibility between using Live and Open Beta, is there any problems with using Oculus Store VRC in Open Beta version and Steam VRC in Live? I assume there wouldnt be any overlaps or issues but wanted to double check or make sure.

[strange spoke]

i dont think so?

they should be stored in completely different folders

you should be alright

@void pier

[void pier]

thank you very much! 😄

(tried to nitro emoji on instinct but with a server this size i understand pfft)

[rugged dirge]

💀

figuring out colliders should be simple but at the same time aren't

[strange spoke]

well basically, you put a physbone collider attatched to a bone on your avatar that you want to have collission, then on the bone that you have the physics on you can drag in the other bone that has the collider attatched to it, directly onto the word that says colliders on the phys bone setting!

you're essentially telling the physics bone "hey, use the collider i put on this bone (or any component) as a collider for this bone

[river bay]

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but im having trouble outputting custom parameters through OSC to my server.

• The parameters are on an FX layer animator
• I receive the default parameters just fine in the server
  Any ideas where I'm going wrong?

[rugged dirge]

so like this?

[strange spoke]

that looks good to me

[rugged dirge]

hmhm okey

[strange spoke]

try asking in #avatars-osc! this channel is for the physbones beta

[river bay]

ah gotcha, im being a bit of a bonehead since i was using the open beta to acivate the parameters, my bad lol
thx

[rugged dirge]

my toggles aren't even working though

[strange spoke]

thats probably not related to the bones

[surreal mulch]

So when animating a tail with phys bones, the system appears to break in some way. Not sure what's going on.

Top is what it's supposed to look like, bottom is actual.

[strange spoke]

yeah animating stuff with phys bones on it is kinda broken right now

i was having issue animating gravity and scale changes to my tail with phys bones on it ant it wasnt working, which is much the same issue as you changing its position

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-animation-doesnt-affect-gravity-in-play-mode

i've already made a canny about the part i was having issue with

[obsidian wagon]

can someone help me figure out my avatar issue everything works perfectly fine in unity but as soon as i upload it it doesnt work.
i have a receiver on a sword that when it is changed to 1 it puts the sword into my hand then once i reach back to my back it puts the sword on my back once again. in the debug menu ingame i see the value change but nothing happens

[vivid hatch]

@obsidian wagon when using sender/receivers, the parameter they are changing HAS to be a float in the animator, otherwise it won't work

[obsidian wagon]

it is

[vivid hatch]

then maybe its a problem with your transition do you do "if Param Greater than 0" ?

[obsidian wagon]

no i do if equals

[vivid hatch]

Equals ? with a float ?

[obsidian wagon]

fun fact idk what im doing

[vivid hatch]

Are you really sure your param is a float ?

are you sure its not an int ?

[obsidian wagon]

its an int ;-;

oops

[vivid hatch]

thats your problem ^^

[night seal]

Oof

[obsidian wagon]

🥲

[night seal]

Mistakes happen bro

[obsidian wagon]

to be fair i never make avatars so im just learnin as i go

[night seal]

I’m just waiting so I can start making avis

[near grove]

This is probably a stupid question but I didn't see it in the updates. Did they fix the issue where u have to uninstall vrchat to change from open beta to live?

[timber jewel]

no, that's also not an issue with VRChat but rather with Oculus

[scenic phoenix]

I believe cause oculus assumes the beta is a newer version (higher build number) so it won’t downgrade

That’s what I think

Though sometimes after reinstalling when you change version it may want you to update again so just click don’t update

[iron sentinel]

Hello! Would this be the channel to discuss problems regarding Physbones?

[limpid nest]

yes I believe

[iron sentinel]

Oop! Nevermind, solved my issue, I found out it was just as simple as making sure my VRC was set to open beta haha

[limpid nest]

ohh.

[astral sinew]

Hey, anyone having issues where Proximity contacts do not change paramater values at all (basically do nothing) and if you try to preview the contacts bdebug in-game, actually activated the receiver causes every single rendered debug contact to flicker in and out or disappear completely?

it's a really bizarre issue that i'm not sure how to overcome

presumably just a bug, probably going to have to wait for a patch, but it's really frustrating that i can't currently mess around with proximity receivers because of that bug

it just provides no values to the parameter and bugs out the contact debug in-game while it is "active"

really bizarre. I can send a clip if need be

[full totem]

Hi guys. I’m struggling with how to change my vrchat to beta. I’m on oculus quest 2 does anyone have any ideas?

[scenic phoenix]

I can dm you the instructions

[proper vessel]

is the hair flying around fixed

[torpid ether]

Hi guys. Did I read right and vrchat supports more than 6 point tracking?

[timber jewel]

#ik-2

[torpid ether]

Oh sweet. Thanks

[winter dragon]

Do you happen to have two proximity contacts using the same parameter name?

[stable rivet]

What is this error I keep getting from physbones involve? https://i.imgur.com/02uaeJW.png

[fallen rose]

Seems like a problem with curves. Actually, it shouldn't do anything harmful

I think you can even upload your avatar despite these errors

[stable rivet]

but how do i fix it since i would prefer it to have none

[fallen rose]

Did you convert your dynamic bones to physbones?

[winter dragon]

Looks like your curve is missing the two points in it probably

[stable rivet]

yes then i removed them due to the converter being faulty

[fallen rose]

Just try to disable all curves

[winter dragon]

^^

[fallen rose]

And watch if you have these errors

[stable rivet]

found the fault https://i.imgur.com/dHzlLh1.png

once removed the errors stop

also found out some curves were not suppost to be there that were causing a bug for my collisions

[timber jewel]

I do not understand why it's not going back in the middle where it should be, but rather stays either left or right to it

settings for it:

[alpine trench]

This might be a dumb question but I can't seem to find the "details" button to turn on the open beta

i'm using my phone to open it

[astral sinew]

Sorry i had forgotten i posted here, they DID use the same parameter until i decided that that is probably what was causing the issue, so i seperated the parameters to L and R (to distinguish them) but still the exact same issue

I apologize for late reply, I have ADHD i forget things very quickly haha

[proper vessel]

guys

did they fix they hair moving wild

@winter dragon did they fix the spining hair in physbones

[near grove]

It's not a button. Open the quest store and open up the vrchat page and scroll down till u see additional details. Then click version and change the version

[proper vessel]

omg

i want to know something

but noone gives me an awnser

[timber jewel]

OMG

1. we don't know what you mean with "hair moving wild" which is why none gives an answer
2. you can also test out your issues your self, so when you have an issues that the hair movement on your Avatar looks weird, you should test it your self

[proper vessel]

@timber jewel the spining hair

when it spins in cycles

instand of moving right

did they fix that

[timber jewel]

I still have no idea what you mean

[near grove]

Read @timber jewel 's second point

Test your issues out yourself

[proper vessel]

i want to know if its fixed

not test it out

[near grove]

Then get on vr and find out

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[small surge]

There is a bug if you put physbone on a humanoid one, could be that one , wouldnt know unless seeing where it is

[alpine trench]

I can't find anything that's written " Additional details", is it like below the review section or above it?

Should I try accessing it through my quest 2 instead

[near grove]

I'll send in a quick screenshot

No it doesn't work if u do it through ur quest

One sec

[alpine trench]

thank you so much ^^

kk

[near grove]

Just scroll down when ur on the vrchat page on ur quest store

And click version

[alpine trench]

ohh, thank u so much!

[near grove]

Npppp

[alpine trench]

i feel so blind xD

[near grove]

That's oki dw xD

Always happy to help

[alpine trench]

By the way, I heard some people were stuck on the open beta, it it possible on quest to be stuck as well?

[near grove]

Basically if you're stuck in open beta, switch versions on the quest store and then uninstall and reinstall vrchat

[alpine trench]

o, oki dokiii, thxx

[near grove]

Nppp lmk if u need any more help

[alpine trench]

will do ^^

[winged scarab]

I do that way every time to be safe

[dim cloak]

Yeah you would just want to trap the animation in the on state until you meet the condition of entering the other receiver. I.e. Hand enters ReceiverA and that float meeting 1 is a condition to an empty animation that parameter drives your bool to true. But, you'll only what that bool to turn off when your hand enters ReceiverB which drives the float for your condition back to turning the bool off.

This video here explains (to the best of my knowledge) network syncing parameters for contacts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raQRXfH_GZE if anyone has a better way or better understanding of how this works I would love to know though.

[lusty rapids]

I love that avatar it looks awesome

[hybrid lion]

it a hobkin :o

[near grove]

I used this to add my damage counter for my punch and kick ragdoll, =w=

[dim cloak]

Trapping animations is great haha

[lusty rapids]

I'm hoping onces open beta is done hope people make hazbin hotel hellcat boss avatars with dynamic bones

[obsidian wagon]

i did it a different way i think but i got it working ¯_(ツ)_/¯

thanks for the video tho ill take a look later it might be easier than my wya

[dim cloak]

Yeah, it isn't showing 1 to 1 what you're doing, but it is extremely similar.

[nova river]

Is there like a way to get off of open beta…I changed it from the app to live even tried uninstalling and reinstalling but I’m still stuck on it

[shrewd estuary]

takes a bit

Facebook not very smart when it comes to betas

[hard turret]

Fixed an issue where PhysBones that were animated would animate out of your hand when grabbed -
Does this mean we no longer need to temporarily disable IsAnimated when the bone is grabbed? That whole workaround thingy

[shrewd estuary]

probably

[warm cedar]

Oh for fucks sake, I told myself I'd wait for the next beta update to work again yesterday

and now the update is here

[dim cloak]

Correct, they can just be grabbed and work now.

[timber jewel]

I love it xD I'm making a baseball bat that can bonk other with, which is locked to my right hand but I can grab it with my left hand and use it like an actual bat

[shrewd estuary]

gonna try and make a working blow dryer

[dim cloak]

However, you can make an animation to turn off your idle animations if you don't want them to "tailwag" and such when grabbed.

[shrewd estuary]

it is theoretically now possible to throw a slice of cheese at someone's head and have it stick using dynamics

[hard turret]

Niceeee! That was my biggest gripe. Now to wait for them to add booleans instead of floats to contacts

[timber jewel]

tbh if you don't wanna use the Parameters to sync them floats are also fine

[warm cedar]

Use the right tags

Uppercased

[hard turret]

Yeah it's just an extra 2 clicks (setting up lessthan/greaterthan and typing 0.95) so it's fine

[dim cloak]

floats are not fine if you need to sync themmm

I just want contacts to be able to drive bools

[timber jewel]

that's why I said "if you don't wanna sync them" :p

[dim cloak]

I know haha I just have stuff that needs to be synced xD

[timber jewel]

ik ^^

[dim cloak]

Hopefully we'll get bools for contacts soon though

[timber jewel]

I love it

[warm cedar]

Oh god. I can smell the performance rank

[astral sinew]

i agree. I find it a little bizarre their clear intentions with this was to make toggles and stuff much cooler but with how its set up having to use floats for everything makes syncing and general animating more of a hassle than it needs to be

[dim cloak]

Oh I am and always will be very poor ranked, but I will never be the person in the lobby lagging you LOL

[astral sinew]

It's not too bad, just convoluted

[warm cedar]

Same here, sorry I can't learn blender just to add a hammer to my avatar

at least I don't have 478 FUCKING MATERIAL SLOTS

excuse me, that stuff just get's my blood boiling

[dim cloak]

Haha I have 24 on mine, but only 6 or 7 would be seen typically at any given time.

I could honestly atlas all of the toys im making into one texture and make that much more optimized.

might end up doing that.

[astral sinew]

d e c a l s

decals are the greatest thing to exist for that sorta stuff

[warm cedar]

Can't wait for the day we get a mid-low end level of processing power on quest type headsets

[astral sinew]

unless you want it to be a specific shader and stuff, in which case damnit

[dim cloak]

eh no need when i can literally just toss all of the items into one file in blender and put them on one UV together.

[hard turret]

I usually atlas all of my props, and have my avatar with 3 or 4 materials at most. Gotta love using one material for like 12 meshes (all props, not showing up at the same time)

[dim cloak]

Yeah I'm slowly starting to make more and more props myself for my avis and doing that

didn't do that before though.

[warm cedar]

tell me your magic

what tutorials did you look at

[astral sinew]

"what tutorials did you look at" lmfao

[quaint geode]

oh, on the topic of contacts using floats, the float doesn't need to be on your avatar parameters, since all the contact events are local - but they do intend to allow other types to be used later on

[hard turret]

Manually do it in blender. Load all the meshes, change them all to use a single material, go to UV editor, manually move them into corners of the texture, make texture in photoshop
There's probably an addon or tool that does it automatically but meh

[astral sinew]

yeah absolutely, only the actual animations need to be synced. You can just have the floats drive a bool parameter that's defined in your VRC parameters

that way it's less memory and contacts and stuff don't generally NEED all that syncing

[dim cloak]

I use substance painter, but same premise for texturing.

[astral sinew]

unless there is something i'm missing

[quaint geode]

yeah, to make them sync, you use extra logic on the animator controller, and use whatever variables you want

[hard turret]

Oh, well I'm talking about atlasing, not texturing the props. I just use photoshop to scale down the already-finished textures and move them into their respective UVs. I also use substance

[warm cedar]

And then? do you make it out of bonesM

?

[dim cloak]

Ohhh I gotcha.

[astral sinew]

i have my sword on a thing like that, it's not a bool but an int so it's not like it cuts down on memory THAT much but i just have the contacts test for all the necessary contact actions/conditions and then drive an int parameter defined in the VRC parameters and then have another animation layer that tests for the int value in the parameters to play the actual parent constraint animations for moving the sword. That way the animations are synced without having to sync all the contacts and the minor stuff that people don't need synced

[quaint geode]

the cats blender addon, which most people have been using for years to convert various 3d models into VRChat avatars, has a lot of nice tools for optimization (joining meshes, texture atlasing, merging bones, etc), and converting from different 3d types

[hard turret]

Basically just move the textures into place and match the UVs
Also uhhhh don't question me

[dim cloak]

It doesn't cut down on memory at all compared to a float if you're using an int 😂

[astral sinew]

yeah i know haha, but i like my any states alright. was just giving an example how i have it set up asghfhasf

my Sword has more than 2 states so, an int is best for it

[dim cloak]

Anystate andyyy XD haha anystates are pretty good depending on the scenario though

I don't use them as often though

[astral sinew]

i am absolutely an anystate andy, i will not slander the name

[near grove]

Installed beta but no dynamic bones.. isn't there a world? Help 😳

[dim cloak]

[hard turret]

[dim cloak]

lol "valid in-game only"

i love it

[quaint geode]

check the Avatar Dynamics Hub (search "dynamics" in the world search)

[proper vessel]

i got fixes

finely

[astral sinew]

Fancy why do you just have ram in your avatar, what do you use that for?

you just pull out a stick of memory?

must be an inside joke

or is it because vrc is a memory hog

susge

[hard turret]

https://twitter.com/Fancy_vr/status/1422268797445189634 it's one of the baits

Fancy (@Fancy_vr)

https://t.co/Ezkzvb48VR

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[astral sinew]

FREE RAM

don't mind if i do

[dim cloak]

LMFAO

oh my god the totally real protogen one is great too

[hard turret]

Thanks. I have a few to add avatar dynamics to that one :)) just waiting for the update to be out of beta

Drawing on other people's faces or exploding their sharpie, etc

[dim cloak]

^ I am excited to go back and remake some of my first avatars, but with avatar dynamics and updated texturing style. Going to wait until avatar dynamics are fully out for that, but excited for it none-the-less.

[hard turret]

Same here, already writing down a bunch of ideas to revisit my old avatars

Also don't use AnyState unless you really have to, especially when using more than a handful of them. A simple default Idle state works just as fine and doesn't force every player to check for like 50 animation states in your animator every frame >:(
(not sure if this is going off topic for the channel)

https://twitter.com/dtupper/status/1496216046474502144

tupper (@dtupper)

hey

don't use massive amounts of transitions out of Any State. you're asking the animator to check dozens (or god forbid, hundreds) of conditions every frame the animator runs. its ok to check that many once when params change, not EVERY UPDATE.

tia

pulls out popcorn https://t.co/rP6kj93MZ2

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[dim cloak]

Yeah things like that are why i typically avoid anystate unless I have a proper idle setup for it.

[covert yoke]

Idk how to activate and deactivate the beta from the oculus app

[quaint geode]

the same spot where you set version to the beta, set version to live, then uninstall and reinstall VRChat

[proper vessel]

ok

can anyone of you guys help me with this

so i cant frigure out my bones

[alpine trench]

Are there any avatar worlds that already supports avatar dynamics?

[proper vessel]

to put physbones on

what do i do

i cant tell the drifince betton hair chest or leg bones

[alpine trench]

Like on an avatar

[proper vessel]

yes

[alpine trench]

Or in game

[proper vessel]

on an avatar

[alpine trench]

Are you creating an avatar and you want to add the physic bones?

[proper vessel]

i want to add physbones

i dont need to explain this

i just said i cant frigure where to add them

[alpine trench]

Add it where, when your playing the game or when your creating the avatar

[proper vessel]

omg

your trolling me arent you

[alpine trench]

I’m not-

[rain harness]

ok so u went to add component and it is there right but

you want to know where to add the phys bones

on your avatar

right?

[proper vessel]

yes

[alpine trench]

Ohhh

[proper vessel]

i dont know the bones are

because there named stupid

so idk what to do

[rain harness]

so like your avatar armature has random named bones n stuff?

[proper vessel]

yes

[rain harness]

just click on em and move em yeah?

then ctrl z to undo the moving

[proper vessel]

in blender

or unity

[rain harness]

well uhhh you are gonna have to make it a humanoid rig right so i think you should worry about that first

[mossy python]

That’s the problem that needs to be addressed lol

[rain harness]

oh shit

[proper vessel]

how do i rename the bones

[mossy python]

Head colliders are pretty important for hair and ears

[rain harness]

thats true

[proper vessel]

i want to rename the bones

[mossy python]

It’s far back in the chat but I made a canny for the issue with a gif showing what is wrong

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1183-head-colliders-do-not-work-on-quest

[rain harness]

i remember 3.0 beta had head clipping disabled by accident

and it was annoying af

especially with furry avatars you can always see the nose

[mossy python]

Yeah lol

[proper vessel]

ok

how do i change my bone names

[mossy python]

I actually started VRC right after avatar 3.0 came out and am now a veteran rank Questie

[mossy python]

In blender

[proper vessel]

ok

how do i know witch bone in witch in blender

[mossy python]

Make sure the names of your vertex groups changes too

[jovial sedge]

There was apparently some workaround stuff you could do to avoid the head collider stuff in the meantime

[silver ledge]

that is sort of an extreme example i guess. Like tupper wrote there, doing that many is bad. However, it might be beneficial for simple toggles instead of using three layers to merge them into one and use 8 (or 9) any states. when i tested that sort of logic and presented it to thry, having merged 11 layers (simple toggles mind you, literally on/off nothing more) into 4 with any states transitions, frametimes improved by roughly 3-5%. But thats pretty much an edge case i guess

[mossy python]

It requires bone constraints which are blacklisted on the Quest SDK

Meaning us Questies are just boned for the meantime

[jovial sedge]

Oh, sad then

It's probably a high priority issue either way though

[proper vessel]

thats seems simple

[mossy python]

Someone else made a post about this on the last build and it was marked as tracked internally but yesterdays update obviously didn’t do much to help

[jovial sedge]

yeah but it did fix the turning fps bug

[timber jewel]

the contact receiver I have on my nose still works though

[jovial sedge]

which annoyed me a LOT more personally lol

[mossy python]

I didn’t have that problem

[proper vessel]

how do i change vertex groups

[jovial sedge]

maybe it was only a PCVR problem?

[mossy python]

What was the issue?

[jovial sedge]

Turning while your fps was below whatever your HMD's refresh rate was would make it really slow

[dim cloak]

The lower your framerate the lower your turn speed essentially

[mossy python]

Ohhh I use comfort turning lol

[jovial sedge]

80fps turning was fine, 70 it was miserably slow

[timber jewel]

(or is this quest specific?)

[mossy python]

Contact receivers seem to be unaffected, only colliders

[timber jewel]

that was thankfully fixed with the latest beta update

[hard turret]

Oh, some of that went over my head but yep. Tupper's example is a bit extreme

[timber jewel]

interesting

[dim cloak]

That is was

[jovial sedge]

yeah that bug being gone makes a lot of games more playable

[mossy python]

I can’t stand normal turning

Like I don’t get dizzy easily but that makes my dizzy

Been using comfort turning for over a year now lol

[jovial sedge]

I get motion sick from things that are unnatural so snap-turns make me feel sick funnily enough

[proper vessel]

how do i rename vertex

[timber jewel]

same

[mossy python]

Select the vertex group, double click it, and then type a new name in

[proper vessel]

ok

where do i select vertex group

[mossy python]

Kinda like how you rename literally anything else

[silver ledge]

to make it TL;DR: a couple of anystates might be better if they lower the amount of layers within the controller. That said and almost like everything, the amount is important 😄

[mossy python]

Select the mesh and then in the properties menus select the one that looks like a triangle with 3 squares connecting it

Then scroll til you find vertex groups

[proper vessel]

ok

[hard turret]

Ooh ok yeah that makes sense. If you end up making a layer for each prop or toggle I can see how it would end up impacting performance

[inland narwhal]

witch version of unity do i use for vrc

[mossy python]

The only any states I use are for VRCParameterDrivers

That way if I want a parameter turned off it’s updating said parameter every frame

[silver ledge]

though neither thry or I understand it fully, it might just be that combining layers for simple toggling like this might make stuff a bit more efficient, 8-9 anystates + 1 running animation vs. 3 running animations + their transitionchecks

animator secrets i guess xD

[hard turret]

That'd be for updating networked parameters with contacts right?

[hard turret]

just be like me and dump all your toggles and animations in one layer /j

[timber jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-blonde-child-can-you-not-why-gif-4950390

[silver ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/simon-cowell-back-off-cross-demon-britains-got-talent-gif-12932058

[dim cloak]

Yeah I'm okay with dropping people's fps by 1 to not do that

lol

[timber jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sign-of-the-cross-praying-hoping-nico-santos-gif-21421248

[hard turret]

😎

[muted brook]

jesus

[mossy python]

Now I use parameter drivers to keep toggles that don’t overlap well from well overlapping lol

[silver ledge]

i like that more tbh xD

[hard turret]

Ooh yep, having them run in anystate prevents desyncing so it's understandable. Also use them for that a lot

[mossy python]

One example is my avatar has an HP system. If your HP is full, the bar can be toggled on or off. If your HP is not full, I force the expression menu button to keep the HP bar toggle on, to let the player know they need to either heal or fight any opposing players.

[dim cloak]

How exactly does it prevent desync?

[mossy python]

If the driver is local only and has your parameter defined in the descriptor it will sync across all clients only when an event happens for YOU

I had to use that to keep my HP value synced across all devices

[dim cloak]

Oh

[timber jewel]

maybeeee I have just a few layers 😅

[dim cloak]

So if my floats for contacts are local only and i set my parameter driver that is driving my synced bool to local only then it should show people exactly what I see?

[mossy python]

PC players without Quest fallbacks don’t have hand colliders on fallbacks so they were able to lower my HP for PC players but Quest players saw me as still alive, the local only ParameterDrivers make it so the HP decreases only when I see something collide properly

[hard turret]

If the animation node runs for a split second before moving to another one, someone who skips frames or misses an internet package may not run it, so you end up desynced. That's a broad example. Also what Davilos said

[rain harness]

damn i need that system for my elden ring avatar

[dim cloak]

This might explain the issues I'm having

[timber jewel]

I guess you should use a synced parameter then

[mossy python]

What you’d have to do is make the state your contact reciever toggles have a local only parameter driver, then do your animation for that parameter in another layer

[rain harness]

so basically if i want to enable my weapon by touching it, it HAS to be a float? thats so cringe

[timber jewel]

and make a canny about fallbacks not having colliders

[rain harness]

why not bool

[mossy python]

Lemme send a video of how my avatar works

[dim cloak]

I have that set up and just didn't have "Local only" set on my parameter driver haha

[mossy python]

You can see there’s a little delay between me hitting him and him actually taking damage

That’s because the game is waiting for me to actually hit him on HIS screen

[restive tapir]

We should have a global list of parameters standart for everyone to use, for example Fire was a good example of diferent avatar interactions

[dim cloak]

Which occurs because you're using "Local Only" on your parameter drivers. But the bools you are using the parameter drivers on are networked synced bools in the parameters expressions list, right?

That way everything syncs up nicely between everyone?

[mossy python]

I don’t use any bools

Basically the soul has a receiver that drives a parameter only on the local machine

[warm cedar]

You better noted "Damage" as a tag of the sword

[dim cloak]

So the only time you'd want to network sync those parameters is if someone joined late or showed your avatar mid-fight, otherwise they wouldn't see the correct health values, right?

[mossy python]

But the parameter is in the actual parameter list attached to the SDK, so once it is updated locally, it’s update globally

[mossy python]

Nope, the tags for the sword are Sword and Hand

[warm cedar]

:|

Damage

[mossy python]

The Soul can be hit by Sword, Hand, Foot, and Whip

[warm cedar]

Well add Damage

[mossy python]

Why

[warm cedar]

Camptability

we're trying to get a standart

standard*

"Damage"

[muted bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[mossy python]

The only other person who made a PvP avatar doesn’t use damage

He uses HeavyHit and LightHit

[dim cloak]

There are actually quite a few PvP avatars

[warm cedar]

Including mine (soon)

[dim cloak]

Yeah

[warm cedar]

Cherubs are agressive little shits

[muted bloom]

This. “Damage” makes all combat work with everything else. Instead of needing to add “Sword” oops also “Staff” oops also “Magic” oops also “Bullet”… it keeps going.

Just “Damage”

[warm cedar]

This

Exactly this

[mossy python]

I don’t want other PvP avatars interacting with my avatar though lol

It may be exceedingly unbalanced according to what my avatar can do

[muted bloom]

Then make a completely unique string only for your avatars

[warm cedar]

Or even better

Allow others off

Wait actually

you made an rpg character

amd prefer not to have pvp?

[mossy python]

See if I leave it to just hands, it’s balanced because people have to reach for it with their hands, if it’s just damage someone can just do a screen nuke

I’m fact I’m gonna do that on my main avatar lol

[muted bloom]

Oh yeah but you just Block people who do that

[mossy python]

Just make a toggle called nuke and it just puts massive Damage senders all over

[vivid hatch]

doesnt stop them from doing the same thing with a gigantic hand collider too

[mossy python]

Yeah

[warm cedar]

Yes? and that is sad. but would you rather have no avatar dynamics or live with trolls?

because everything on avatars can be used for malicios purposes

[mossy python]

My focus is making my avatars work with my friends avatars lol

So Marino and LoneEevee’s stuff

[vivid hatch]

so set interaction to friends only ?

[mossy python]

No I mean like

All of our public avatars work together

[muted bloom]

That’s the idea, most public avatars will work with each other. Most people will just have interactions limited to friends anyway so any two random avatars that should still be able to interact as long as everyone agrees on a standard naming

[woven ledge]

have they fixed the problem where you can go back to live vrchat on quest without factory reset?

[quaint geode]

just incase you haven't tried yet, did you try setting the version to live, then uninstalling and reinstalling VRChat?

[woven ledge]

i’m not sure how to uninstall a game on quest

[rapid aurora]

https://support.oculus.com/articles/in-vr-experiences/oculus-apps/uninstall-apps-from-quest-2

[sullen vigil]

Late sync go brr

[livid moss]

Heya can i commission someone for an avatar with some of the new features of this?

[waxen horizon]

We got an approx date for when the full release of the physbones update will be out?

Im so excited for this

[brave forge]

To uninstall a game. Click on the apps section that is a square at the bottom right where you find all your apps installed. Then hover over the game you want to uninstall and it should have a highlighted bar under the thumbnail with 3 dots on the side. Click that and uninstall.

[sudden sonnet]

you monster

[waxen horizon]

So to go back from the beta version is that all you need to do? Just uninstall and reinstall vrchat?

[brave forge]

There are a few bugs on oculus. You need to be on the main owner account on oculus and not a shared apps account. You will still need to uninstall the game on both accounts. Then install it on the owner account and re-install it on the shared apps account. (If you don't on the shared apps account then it will fake install until both sides of the accounts has vrchat then it will let you play it. (There is a bug if you install it only on the ownership account then if you go back to the beta it won't let you install the game until both accounts has vrchat installed. (If you only have the main account then try creating a 2nd account should fix it. Just hit install on the shared apps on 2nd account and it will work.)

[brave forge]

Read above msg there has been bugs for oculus with vrchat beta/live switching.

[waxen horizon]

Hm, okay

Bit nervous to do it then 😂

[brave forge]

I mean if you are an avatar creator it's kind of worth it. I mean I already added a whip to my avatar and the quest physbones look pretty nice lol.

Just saying the avatar I have made is a replica of Lolathon (But muscle style body lol.)

[waxen horizon]

I just wanna check out the new bones 😂

[obsidian wagon]

ive added swords that you genuinely have to grab

[waxen horizon]

In theory, couldn't I just put it back to the live version through the same way you get the beta?

[small surge]

shame they dont allow 2 copies of vrchat on quest i guess, easy switch between live/open beta

[junior karma]

So I updated to the open beta sdk in unity and idk what's going on when I converted my dynamic bones to phys bones
Can someone please be my guide in the beta sdk?

[mossy python]

This channel but every time a Quest user asks how to go back to live you take a shot

[brave forge]

Yes but some people / Most people run into oculus bugs with the beta/live switching feature. The temp fix is what I stated above.

[muted bloom]

And five minutes later they ask how to get out of it

[waxen horizon]

Ah, okay well thank you

[mossy python]

How to kill a liver 101

[dim cloak]

i would have died from alcohol poisoning days ago

lol

[waxen horizon]

😂

[quaint geode]

there's just a lot of new oculus users to the beta, the new features look pretty exciting

[small surge]

wast majority of public worlds ive been in are quest users, might be the time of day

[waxen horizon]

Very very exciting

[mossy python]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Quest users outnumber PC users soon enough

With how popular the Quest is for noobies to VR

[muted bloom]

It’s about 66% quest version users, even more if more you count quest users over link

[waxen horizon]

The main problem I have with immersion being broken is the fact on quest everything is just stiff and it ruines it a bit

[mossy python]

Well Quest stuff isn’t stiff anymore lol

And I always optimize my worlds in a way that if it’s not performant on Quest, I optimize it or scrap it

[muted bloom]

Only five phys bones on quest but still it’s something

[quaint geode]

five is better than five hundred

[mossy python]

Even so you can have quite a few for medium performance

[brave forge]

To those who know how to switch from beta to live but are getting bugs. https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/switch-to-live-from-beta-oculus-temp-fix

[mossy python]

If possible I shoot for medium Quest performance on avatars

[muted bloom]

I’m pretty sure they just throw up their hands and say it’s Facebook’s problem, which, it is

[mossy python]

It’s the sweet spot of good function and good looking

[obsidian wagon]

me who’s avatars never get better than poor 🥲

[mossy python]

Almost all of my go tos are very poor for polygons alone

[obsidian wagon]

yea

[quaint geode]

if you're not a content creator, finding optimized avatars can be very difficult - and even harder since you can't see what performance rank the other version of the avatar is

[brave forge]

Who needs a rich avatar when poor is the life now a days. (Looks at gas prices)

[obsidian wagon]

some of mine are very poor purely do to polys or materials

[mossy python]

I always atlas my materials

[obsidian wagon]

idk how >:)

[mossy python]

Blender

[obsidian wagon]

i’ve only been messing with avatars for a couple weeks

[waxen horizon]

Is it normal that when you change the version and turn your headset on it shows a download bar and a black screen?

[mossy python]

Combine UV maps then stitch all your textures together in photoshop

[mossy python]

Sounds like you’re downloading the v38 update

[obsidian wagon]

isn’t there a tool that does that too

[brave forge]

See the thing is if you atlas to much with blender cats addon it bugs out your avatar lol I don't know why sometimes lol. (Changes around the uv / colors around.)

[mossy python]

Cats, but it completely recreates the UV map, usually for the worse

[waxen horizon]

No clue 😂

[quaint geode]

and if you're too lazy to atlas manually, cats blender addon has a one button texture atlas

[obsidian wagon]

lmao

[waxen horizon]

It's a black screen now, but has the white light still on, do I leave it or try and turn it off and or on

Nevermind

[mossy python]

It’s installing an update leave it alone lol

[brave forge]

Best way to atlas your avatars is use paint net. Make a 4096 x 4096 and just copy and paste your images over to it. Then just size/position it and you should be fine.

[waxen horizon]

Yeah I see that now lol, it was just the new quest update

[brave forge]

(Just don't forget to move your uv into position. 😛

[waxen horizon]

Still think it'd be sick if vrchat would add hand tracking with quest

[quaint geode]

I use 2048 atlas for PC, and 1024 atlas for Quest, "becuz im kool" (also because that's what's recommended in the docs)

[dim cloak]

Realistically you can only do so much with atlasing before it becomes way more work than it's worth. If you want to do dissolve toggles on multiple sets of clothing but have all of the outfits atlased together, then you're going to have one hell of a time getting that set up, not to mention you'll be using multiple materials for that as well, ultimately negating the purpose in atlasting the textures as it is. There's a fine balance between atlasing and combining meshes and not doing so, it's just that all of the eboy and egirl avatars that have every chain link with an individual material and texture at 8k with 4 additional maps for specular, emissions, etc. on 400 materials don't help and takes this example to the extreme.

[timber jewel]

have fun not being able to move around or to use your menu xD

[waxen horizon]

True.

😂

[mossy python]

You can use hand tracking in VRC with Virtual Desktop

[shrewd estuary]

simply control it using brain waves with OSC or something

[timber jewel]

xD

[small surge]

osc dancemat

[shrewd estuary]

using that to move would probably work

[night seal]

I just be patiently waiting for bones to go to live servers like

[waxen horizon]

Shouldn't take too long honestly

[quaint geode]

I don't want to ruin it, but it could be awhile, the current two betas (IK and PhyBones) are pretty big betas they don't want to mess up

they might try to make sure it's as clean as possible before releasing

[small surge]

2-3~ weeks still my guess

[quaint geode]

also since the PhyBones on IK bones are still messed up, there has to be at the very least one more PhyBone Beta update before it gets released

but it will probably be longer as Thulen was predicting

[waxen horizon]

I'm just looking for a avatar with the bones enabled 😂