open-beta-discussion

[timber plinth]

their friends taught them how to get on beta, most of them being like 14 and don’t know what theyre doing

i have seen people setting their status to “guess I’m just stuck in the beta now…”

[timber jewel]

Btw am I the only one who noticed that the Avatar Overlay sometimes just belnds out when looking forward?

[timber jewel]

yeah....

[torpid reef]

There needs a panel in the hub how to get out of beta lol

for quest

[timber plinth]

theres needs to be a panel that shows step by step how to get in and out of the beta

and it needs to be bright and eye catching

and in the way of the mirror

[ashen terrace]

So is current physbones able to replicate what dynbones gravity did

[torpid reef]

Thats for steam vr only

[timber plinth]

yes and no

[timber jewel]

Yeah tbh idk what the hell oculus fucked up that when switching back to live, the game doesn't update again and just stays in beta.

[timber plinth]

you need to combine gravity and pull to get a similar but much better effect

[ashen terrace]

I see

[timber plinth]

it will act more like db force and less like db gravity

but its still mixed effect

another thing i really hate about physbones

[ashen terrace]

Physboobs

[timber plinth]

if u don’t specify any Pull, stretching is permanent

[ashen terrace]

That's a feature

[torpid reef]

I mean that could be useful sometimes

[ashen terrace]

That's something I tried to do on purpose

[timber plinth]

because for some reason Pull is correlated to retraction rate

yes but if you want something to dangle but not necessarily point out

[torpid reef]

You can make items grabbable and leave them in space

[ashen terrace]

I actually wanna know how you got something to stick permanently

[timber plinth]

like a tongue or leash

it gets annoying

[ashen terrace]

I mean, you just have to set some pull then don't you?

[timber plinth]

i have to set a 0.05 pull just so my leash gets back to normal size

yes but it messes with its behavior

[ashen terrace]

Oh I think I get it

[torpid reef]

the bones get too stretched?

[timber plinth]

no

if you use 0.00 pull it won’t retract

[ashen terrace]

You're ending up with like, an elastic leash?

[timber plinth]

so if someone stretches it

it won’t go back

[timber jewel]

maybe make pull for streatching it's own options

[timber plinth]

yea

[timber jewel]

so "Streatch Pull"

did you make a canny for that?

[ashen terrace]

Post on canny

[timber plinth]

also Is Animated is really funny

it works just fine for when you interact with it with colliders

grabbing it is broken though

[timber plinth]

not yet no

probably won’t unless its 6 hr from now

[torpid reef]

meanwhile in the hub: someone is slapping themselves

[timber jewel]

uhhhh I have problems with it, can't grab it and move it and for some reason my stupid thoungh wont move at all even thought is Animated is turned on

[timber plinth]

ok so the way it works is

Is Animated lets you animate stuff

say for example if you have a tail animation where it wraps around your body

[timber jewel]

Yeah ik how it works it's still annyoing

[timber plinth]

u need to have Is Animated or else it won’t twist and curl

yea and thats the strange part

u can bump it with colliders and stuff

and it works perfectly fine

but when u go to grab it it starts behaving really weird

[timber jewel]

yeah it's weird

I hope it gets changed

[timber plinth]

hopefully fixed so that it just works like with collider interaction

maybe it will help when its in tandem with my other canny post

[timber jewel]

yeah I hope so too

[timber plinth]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-request-enableactive-property-for-physbones-colliders-and-contacts

as that would only configure the resting position once and thats when the component initializes

and not have to worry about the script being toggled on and off

[near grove]

are there any examples available for unity of the same mechanic used on the hub avatar that rolls the sleeve up

[coarse stag]

https://hai-vr.notion.site/Constraint-Track-Animation-Creator-b8e60b42401140e28b2ba05ff21b71bd

Hai made that one

[timber jewel]

I don't think so, I talked with the person who made it and they said it's a lot of constrains etc

[timber plinth]

which means not quest compatible

and yea its parent constraints

where u animate the weight blending of different parents

[coarse stag]

Oh constraints still turned off on quest?

[timber plinth]

yep

sadge moment

[timber jewel]

why are there still no Constrains on Quest? I don't get it

[timber plinth]

i don’t either

[coarse stag]

That seems kind of random since they were deemed pretty light performance

[timber plinth]

maybe tupper or hackspanner may be lurking and have an answer

[timber jewel]

I don't think they are lruking this channel 24/7 xD

[timber plinth]

u never know

[timber jewel]

Isn't the dev team currently at sleep anyway?

[timber plinth]

idk

[timber jewel]

It's 3 am for them

[coarse stag]

[hollow hatch]

some of them are probably up as they aren't all in one country or time zone, but yeah, probably not lurking this channel 24/7

[coarse stag]

Hey just a reminder, Av3 Emulator is available here:
https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator/releases

If you didn't update to 2.9.6 or 2.9.7, it fixes PhysBone parameters in some cases

[timber jewel]

what does Av3 Emulator do again?

[torpid reef]

I think I managed to reverse engineer your sleeve for my crossbow charge handle :)

Thanks for making it :D

[coarse stag]

If Haï~ reads this 😉

[coarse stag]

Allows you to use your expression menu and playable layers in the editor in conjunction with animator features including parameter drivers

[timber jewel]

Ahhhh cool

[torpid reef]

Oh yeah lol

[near grove]

Still we'll need a answer about those constraints

[torpid igloo]

Is it normal that most dynamic bones avatars are not converted to Physbones or is there a limit for physbones too?

[ruby geyser]

I assume any avatars you make using the Avatar Dynamics SDK will only appear in the Open Beta and not in Live or the IK Beta?

[torpid igloo]

but shouldnt Physbones be able to convert Dynamic Bones to Physbones. I mean avatars that worked with dynamic bones before

[dusk pagoda]

no, but any new features will be non functional.

[ruby geyser]

Huh, good to know.

I just wondered if my assumption was the case since I was under the impression the Open Beta wasn't really Live-compatible like the IK Beta is

Like not being able to hang out with friends on the Live version while running the Open Beta

[near grove]

Nice ty

[torpid igloo]

@ruby geyser

[ruby geyser]

Thanks, that's good to know; so I'll need to remember to swap from Open Beta to Live if I want to hang with friends on Live when I'm done testing in the Open Beta XD

[torpid igloo]

IK beta is compatible with live, open-beta is not

[ruby geyser]

S'all good

[near grove]

Or you could just have two different installs of VRC

Assuming you’re on PC

Steam for Beta, another platform for live

[ruby geyser]

True enough; may not be a bad idea since it'd save me having to keep swapping the Steam version between versions whenever I wanted to go from the Open Beta to Live and back

[near grove]

VRC should also be on viveport and Oculus’s app

Mind you I say should be because I can’t remember if it’s on oculus

[torpid igloo]

the vrc version on viveport ist heavyly outdated

[near grove]

Really?

Why is it even up?

[torpid igloo]

jap i just installed it for fun a year ago and I just had a 3y old version

but it may be fixed now

[timber jewel]

You could technically aslo just copy your VRChat folder, then downgrade the original to the live version

so you have one with the beta and one with the live

[near grove]

Remember when they just had a non steam client

[torpid igloo]

for beatsaber there is a commandline tool for downloading specific versions, maybe there is a way to do similar for vrc, to get it more automated

[torpid igloo]

they had a standalone version?

[near grove]

Yeah

They used to have a standalone client you downloaded off the site

They even had it up when they already had the steam version

I can only remember a handful of people ever explicitly saying using it and I can’t remember exactly why

[torpid igloo]

well that was way before my era xD

[timber jewel]

That was like 2017

[torpid igloo]

i was hopping into vrc in 2019

[thin mountain]

just a quick question. I saw this in a video. and curious if anyone knows.
I saw someone use vrchat physbones unity. the grabbing mechanic. does anyone know how to trigger that tool? for I am trying to test ears but idk how to grab them if it is possible.

[timber jewel]

You put Unity in to play mode, then you can drag them around with left click in the game window

[thin mountain]

thanks! also it appears i had to add radius

which now I think about it makes sense. welp that is just me being dumb. anyways, thank you drblackrat.

[timber jewel]

Yup, they need a colision raidus

[ruby geyser]

Do the dragged PhysBones always snap back to their original orientation when you release them, do they stay in their dragged position, or is that something you can toggle off and on?

[timber jewel]

So, if you just grab them an let go, they snap back

if you press the trigger once while grabbing them they will be in pose mode and stay where you let go of them

[ruby geyser]

So that's something that's controlled on the grabber's side huh?

Seems like it might be prudent to offer the one being grabbed some control over what happens, although I suppose the grabbed person could just grab the grabbed PhysBones themselves and just let go to snap it back like that

[upper sonnet]

One issue I had last night was that if I were to change a avatar or spawn into a world I wouldn’t be able to see my avatar and everything would be stiff

[timber jewel]

your Avatar probably has their Dynamic Bones on the head, spine or chest

Phys Bones don't like that

[torpid reef]

Do not put any physbones on your main bones like hips, spine, chest, legs, arms, head etc. It does not work with those bones just yet, or will ever be?

[warm cedar]

Well well well, Jcity

[torpid reef]

Oh noes, the fryingpan bot

[timber jewel]

At the moment it doesn't work, there is a canny for it though, but we don't know if it will ever work

[torpid reef]

I hope they will make it work tho

Lots of avatars use it

[timber jewel]

yeah

[ruby geyser]

Good to know that's an issue, though I don't tend to make avatars that have dynamic bones on those specific bones; I can imagine that being a problem for, say, Jello-like avatars that flop about a lot

[torpid reef]

Alot of people use those bones to reduce the amount of scripts needed

[ruby geyser]

Well I know for some of the hairstyles I've been making for some of my avatars recently I have all the hair bones parented to a single central bone which I put the Dynamic Bones script on while keeping that central bone unaffected by any of the Dynamic Bone transforms

[dense jasper]

i found out how to get ppl to actually switch to the beta guys

i put myself on join me and my status says "U CAN ONLY JOIN IF UR ON BETA", it got like 5 friends to switch

but tbh i think it'll be the most efficient if you're a woman

[ruby geyser]

The fact that apparently if you set a bone to be ignored by transforms it also automatically ignores all the subsequent bones in that chain kinda throws a wrench into that plan for me, so I may need to go to having individual PhysBones scripts at the start of each individual hair bone strand rather than at that central point...

[torpid reef]

yeah it is better if you have a parent bone for every hair bone instead

Might be able to use empty game objects as the root for that

And then move the hairbones to that

or add a bone in blender if you dont want to mess with the bones in unity

[ruby geyser]

Well really it just means moving the scripts up from that central parent bone into several scripts in each bone chain for the hair individually

Also will cut down how many transforms each PhysBone script has to compute so hey

[timber jewel]

Tbh since Phys Bones is spread on to multiple threads, it makes sense to split it up in to multiple Phys Bone scripts

[torpid reef]

The good thing about both dynamic bones and physbones is that you need to have the script on your bone, you can make a list of empty game objects to have the scripts inside of

Here is mine:

Thats just the stuff Ive converted from dynamic bones to physbones

I have the other new things in a separate list

Makes it easier to find things

[weak wharf]

I’m on quest and I went to the quick menu and i can’t find how to enable open beta

[spring salmon]

You can enable open beta through your phone oculus app under vrchat here I'll send a ss

@weak wharf here on the oculus app

[weak wharf]

Thank you so much

[spring salmon]

No problem 👍

[timber jewel]

@timber plinth so, uh yeah you were right my Dynamic Bones have and end Length set to them

not all, but a few do

it's just a bit meh that Dynamic bones end length always worked fine with it set to 1, but Pyhs Bones require to manually set them up and also put in the values.

so Phys Bones just don't translate them

Yeah, so I'm going to edit my post about it

it's a bit sad that we have to manually set an endpoint now compared to just setting it to 1 with Dynamic Bones

now it also makes sense why the auto conversion doesn't work with it

should probably add this info to the auto conversion info in the documentation

[blissful anvil]

hi, https://youtu.be/mtjx6jWU-3U how can I do this?

[timber jewel]

probably the best to ask the creator of it

so Yash him self

[blissful anvil]

how can i communicate with him?

[timber jewel]

you could ping him in here (I did it for you)

[blissful anvil]

do what? Sorry I don't understand much English

[timber jewel]

@winter dragon

[blissful anvil]

oh

[timber jewel]

if they are only they might answer, if not they might do that at a later point

[blissful anvil]

oki

thanks

[timber jewel]

you could also send him a DM if you want to

[blissful anvil]

oki

[spring salmon]

Can any explain how to add expression toggles ice watched two videos and yet I'm still confused

[blissful anvil]

what videos?

link?

[spring salmon]

Yea let me find em

[blissful anvil]

ok

[spring salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y this one does an abject im not looking for one that does an object

[blissful anvil]

I know how to do it, what I don't know how to do is explain it, but it's not that difficult

[timber jewel]

You should probably ask this in #avatar-help

[spring salmon]

ahh okay! thank you

[sweet badge]

Hello, I have an avatar that can activate additional hands, is there a way to put the purple sphere for grabbing and the fingers interaction on it? (the things that vrchat adds automatically to every avatar)

[torpid reef]

You can add the colliders and contact by manually adding them to the arms

And also ofc tag them the same

[dense jasper]

ok so i did an autofix but for some reason the bones are all frozen on the tails and hair...

[torpid reef]

How does the settings look like?

[dense jasper]

idek what i'm doing here dawg

[torpid reef]

I want to see your physbones

select the problematic ones

[dense jasper]

i selected one of the tails that don't move

and bear with me... i have very very little knowledge of unity. i only really know how to change basic stuff lol

[torpid reef]

test removing the curves from the values

press the X on pull

[dense jasper]

mk

[torpid reef]

oh ye test this while you are in playmode

move the character, edit properties

if all else fails press the 3 vertical dots on the top right and reset

[dense jasper]

only the tips of the tails move, and the hair doesn't at all

[torpid reef]

remove your max angle curve and check

[dense jasper]

....i think i figured it out (in caps)

there were only bones on the tips of the tails, so i have to add my own

[torpid reef]

Oh

Well you could always use the parent

[dark dune]

Can I have multiple animators on my avatar that respond to contacts? Basically what I'm thinking of is, a prop (like Yash's phone) which has its own animator and its own set of parameters, so as not to clutter the main layers on my own avatar. Will contact receivers set parameters on other animators in the hierarchy too, or just the avatar's animators?

[timber jewel]

No you sadly can't

[dark dune]

😦 Bummer. Ok, thanks!

[ruby geyser]

Even if those contacts share the same tags?

[dim cloak]

Made another video about Senders/Receivers (Contact System) explaining network syncing parameters and why/how you would want to do that with some animations for anyone that's having a harder time understanding when you might want to do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raQRXfH_GZE

[gloomy plinth]

there anyway to test the stretch parameter in editor?

[warm cedar]

press play

and use your input device

[gloomy plinth]

need to maybe explain it abit better :v

[small surge]

Camera must have tag : Maincamera if you deleted the default one

[warm cedar]

Thanks for the reminder

[proven cobalt]

I think i just came up with a way to have the physics bones work properly when grabbing bones with animated on. This is best day ever. Ill have to test it out when i get home tho as I just wrote down how i think it would work on paper lmao

[gloomy plinth]

Ah thanks

awesome

[proven cobalt]

Because lets say for example you have a tail wag animation, and someone tries to grab your tail. When this happens it glitches out cuz when you grab it, its trying to reset in every frame. And this is all caused by having "is animated on"
But what if you have two sets of physics bones component on your tail, one active when grabbed (which has is animated off) and the other with is animated off when not grabbed? Of course youd have to set up two animations for your tail that have the dynamics with is animated on activated and have the actual animation. While the other one is where your tail is still but has the is animated turned off dynamics activated.

In summary just detect when grabbing a tail with paramaters and have it switch which set of bones your using. In theory it works but i havnt tested it

If i say dynamics i mean physics

Bad habit

Im also very bad at wording things. But i hope i got the idea across

[small surge]

If you toggle a component its gonna do them both since they have the same name/location

actually it just ignores it - tested it 🔨

only first will ever be able to toggle

[proven cobalt]

Maybe youll have to make a duplicate set of bones for the tail in blender with slightly different names. And then have one set of bones active at a time

[small surge]

pretty sure if it were to work its not instantly gonna grab the other set of bones

[proven cobalt]

I dont know if u can make certain bones active or not

[muted bloom]

There’s not actually a need to have multiple animators in avatar 3.0

If you are using a completely separate animator, you’re doing it wrong. Especially now with Contacts

[proven cobalt]

Oh im not talking about seperate animators. Just seperate animations

[muted brook]

the contacts work via floats right?

[proven cobalt]

Yes

Im pretty sure u can only do floats

[muted brook]

should just be able to have one anim toggle off when it hits .5 or something and one toggle on when it hits .5

granted i havent tried it at all since im waiting for inside colliders

[muted bloom]

Yeah contacts use floats even if you’re using them like a bool

You can always make an assumption that they work by proximity and that makes it easy to change later

[dim cloak]

I made a video explaining how to have the floats change the value of bools so that you can use the bools in your parameters list and network sync the parameter if you want to.

[muted bloom]

Thankfully contacts and physics bone parameters don’t use any of your synced bits

[dim cloak]

However making the float change a bool might be completely useless in the future if we just get the ability to use bools in the receivers.

[muted bloom]

in most set ups, contacts don’t need to be networked synched

[dim cloak]

This is definitely not the case if you use it to toggle objects on and off

[muted bloom]

Yes that’s why I said most though, I don’t think that’s going to be the majority of these cases

[dim cloak]

You'd be surprised

Tons of people are using them to make a menu toggle at the moment

bypassing the need for the radial menu

[mossy python]

You can make 2 separate game objects to fix this issue

[dim cloak]

if they do that then it has to be network synced

[muted bloom]

Most I see is just triggering a face expression or sound or animation while colliding and it stops when they take their hand away, you don’t need network sync for that

[dim cloak]

correct you don't, but there are a lot of people doing what i just previously said as well

[pastel plover]

How I set this shit up on quest bro😂

[muted bloom]

Same way you said it up on windows just change unity to android

[proven oxide]

#open-beta-info

hjkfg my bad
if you're talking abt getting the open beta, the info channel has it all
but if u meant uploading, then yea what adeon said HJKHGD

[muted bloom]

I think a lot of people just think they can get their physics bones early and don’t realize it’s a beta test

[proven oxide]

^ yea

[muted brook]

yup. ive seen a good amount of people think that beta was live compatible

[proven oxide]

to then just be very frustrated when they cant see any of their friends

[muted bloom]

What specifically about an animation causes it to no longer be grabable

I’ve tried stopping an animation when _IsGrabbed turns true but that doesn’t cause it to be grab-able proper

[dim cloak]

As far as I know right now the "IsAnimated" toggle does not work properly at runtime.

[small surge]

If you detect when grabbed and turn off 'is Animated' it will still spazz, fiddle with max stretch it behaves (irratic)

[dim cloak]

The parameters that are created when interacting with bones, such as _IsGrabbed do work but the IsAnimated checkbox does not

[muted bloom]

But I’ve seen animated chains that stop animating and are perfectly grabable, and when you let go they go back to being animated I just can’t seem to do that on my own set ups

[dim cloak]

Hmm I haven't seen anyone do it yet so I don't know what to tell you.

[muted brook]

wish we could set layer weights based on parameters

[muted bloom]

I’ll show you one next time I’m on. It’s even an auto conversion >_>

[proud vault]

so I'd rather not assume and instead ask: the physic bone parameters, when set as curve is that curve based on angle of the bone from rest or bones down the chain?

[muted bloom]

Down the chain

[dim cloak]

An autoconversion works? None of mine worked and no one elses that I saw worked. That is extremely weird

I'd love to see it though

and look at the FX layer in the debug menu

[muted bloom]

I’m assuming it’s an auto conversion because it has dynamic bones on live, it could be a hybrid/beta detection set up.

[dim cloak]

Hm

[gloomy plinth]

Been trying to make my characters glasses grabble and not parented to the head after being moved is there a way of doing it?

[muted bloom]

Yes

[gloomy plinth]

that makes it view able for me after being moved

[muted bloom]

You can actually leave it Parented to the head if you use the invisible stretch bone method, Know if you want to see it you’ll have to have it unparented and only following the head with a parent constraint

That means no quest compatibility since it doesn’t have parent constraints

[gloomy plinth]

the glasses are fully non quest at this point cause of both the shader that i made for the lenses

[muted bloom]

If you don’t want to constantly see them while you are not having them being grabbed, you’ll just have to swap to a different prop in the same place

[proven oxide]

could remove the lenses and have em be quest compat

[gloomy plinth]

not my consern atm i just want to mess around with desktop features

[proven oxide]

fair fair

[dim cloak]

If you use VRChat/Mobile/Particles/Additive you can get a transparent effect on your glasses and it works fine on quest. It's what I do for mine.

[gloomy plinth]

not possible the last time i did that

[dim cloak]

Adeon said the best way for parenting though

[proven cobalt]

Im taking that info

[dim cloak]

It's literally what I do.

[gloomy plinth]

when i last did it on the non beta SDK it did not allow me at all

before OSC

[dim cloak]

Just don't over use it on quest because transparent objects are heavy on quest.

[dim cloak]

I've been doing it since the end of last year on my quest avatars.

[proven cobalt]

That actually helos me out a ton omg

Helps*

[gloomy plinth]

^ also this reason my model is high poly already i think adding fades or alpha might be pushing it

il eventually get annoyed about it and actually do it

:)

[stray finch]

PhysBones does not work on quest

[dim cloak]

This is what it looks like on quest with the mobile shader

[proven oxide]

they do indeed

why do you say they dont?

[gloomy plinth]

not on beta on the quest?

[proven cobalt]

I can vouch for phys bones. They did their quest tasks

[proven oxide]

they work on the beta, i was tryin it like a day ago on quest

before i switched it on pc

[gloomy plinth]

anyway thank for the help @muted bloom

[proven oxide]

dunno what to tell ya ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i havent seen that before

[gloomy plinth]

maybe missing burst?

[proven oxide]

possibly yea

id try reimporting the sdk

will say they do work though, ive updated 4 avis with phys bones and about to upload another

[stray finch]

What?

[gloomy plinth]

okay so physbones/open beta SDK uses Burst

for working

the SDK should install it

[stray finch]

Ok

[next spire]

Asked this yesterday but got no response, is there any policy on how we could use PhysBones outside of VRChat, in our own random Unity project, or do they only work in VRChat? I read that they're free, but idk if they're free for use anywhere

[timber jewel]

I don't think that will ever happen

[mossy python]

No it doesn’t

Particle shaders show up as invisible on Quest unless applied to a particle

Also the additive one is broken and always shows up as the multiplicative one

[proven oxide]

no? the additive is like, well, an additive

[dim cloak]

Odd I've had multiple quest users tell me that they see it fine

[proven oxide]

it makes whatever is behind it brighter

ive used it on quest

[mossy python]

On PC it is, on Quest it’s broken

[proven oxide]

ive used it on quest, when i was still a quest user LMAO

like i had a laptop to run unity and upload

[mossy python]

I’ve been using them since 2021

[dim cloak]

So have I?

And it works on quest fine for me

[mossy python]

And they’ve been broken since January 2021

[proven oxide]

been usin em since 2020 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

they worked fine and still do for me

[mossy python]

Have you used a quest to test it recently

[proven oxide]

yeah

i have a standalone quest and test all my avatars there to see how they look on quest

[dim cloak]

The reason I know it works is because these shaders, as well as "non-quest supported" additive shaders work perfectly fine in worlds, they just don't let you use full-blown shaders on avatars.

[mossy python]

And these shaders work ON the avatar?

[dim cloak]

I have many friends in my group that have tested this on quest for me as well.

[dim cloak]

Yes

[proven oxide]

yea man

[warm cedar]

Hey, how should I setup the animator for parent constraints? is there a way to set a parameter?

[mossy python]

That’s funny because I and most of my friends just kinda wonder why they don’t work on Quest

[warm cedar]

[The animations are made, I'm looking for logics]

[dim cloak]

Don't know what to tell you, they work fine on quest for me and everything I have done.

[proven oxide]

^

[dim cloak]

What are you doing exactly with the constraints?

Just between like hand to hip or something?

[mossy python]

I know @hybrid lion also experiences the particle shaders not working on Quest avatars

[warm cedar]

Yes!

they work, but I just don't really understand animator logic

[dim cloak]

Just have your default state be the animation that has it on your hip and the other animation your hip to hand

[hybrid lion]

? Theyre blocked by default

[mossy python]

Exactly

[hybrid lion]

Its a technical limitation in the sdk

[mossy python]

They’re saying the not only does the additive one work that they show up in game

[proven cobalt]

Uh oh

[hybrid lion]

To prevent u from uploading stuff that might potentially lag users

[warm cedar]

I'm hella stupid, thanks for reminding me how animations work LMFAO XD

[mossy python]

Any time I try it just turns invisible on Quest

[dim cloak]

Look I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about it. If you don't want to use it then don't, it makes no difference to me. It works for me and the avatars i'm working on and quest users have confirmed this for me.

[proven oxide]

^

[dim cloak]

Lol no worries xD

[hybrid lion]

Nah none should turn invisible

Only like black without alpha applied

[hybrid lion]

Sus but ok

[warm cedar]

Wait I think I get it:

Contact on the point sets the constraint to the hand, then check if the contact is pressed again and play the "setConstraintToBack" anim

[mossy python]

My issue is that I’ll try to apply a particle shader to the body of an avatar and that will turn it invisible in game instead of displaying the shader

Unless you put it on an actual particle system

[dim cloak]

Sounds solid to me

[hybrid lion]

ye im not sure if shaders on actual particlesystems r stripped too

[warm cedar]

Not solid enough, I should add emote checks, because it would just trigger constantly if it didn't check that

[proven cobalt]

I think, this is just something im gonna test out myself.
Along with trying to find a way to make animated tails grabable. I think they will fix it by the time the uodate roles out tho

[dim cloak]

True, I just meant the contacts logic works out. I can make a quick video and send it to you showing what I did for my parent/world constraint stuff.

[warm cedar]

Nah no need for the extra work, I can figure it out

[brave forge]

Anyone found out what the vrc dial script does?

[proven cobalt]

Honestly wolfy ur vids heloed me out a ton when it came to understanding the new beta stuff

Helped*

[dim cloak]

Glad they helped 😄 Really wanting people to understand what they are doing and not just blindly following tutorials and not really knowing what they are doing.

[brave forge]

<- Blindly following tutorials 0_0' lol

I half know what I'm doing though so it's okay.

[proven cobalt]

Thats what i did when i made my first avatar lmao

Gotten alot better since then

[dim cloak]

😂 Nothing wrong with that necessarily, but I'm just aiming to make videos that help people who want to understand it more in-depth.

[brave forge]

Wolfy think you can give more depth on exactly what vrc dial script does?

[proven cobalt]

It gets easier once u start knowing what your doing 100%

[drifting nacelle]

i doubt, sure other clients like vrchat use dynmaic bones, and im pretty sure some games do aswel

[dim cloak]

Tbh it looks like a component that will be apart of new world SDK stuff, not avatars. It might have just slipped in to this SDK on accident.

Same with the climb script

Haven't tested if these work on avatars at the moment though

But the layout is exactly what you'd see on pickup objects for worlds.

[drifting nacelle]

the climb script might so you can climb tall avi's 😛

[proven cobalt]

Spooky

Idea of tiny ppl climbing on ur legs

[dim cloak]

My little hobkin self could climb some taller rexes hahah

[brave forge]

To me looks like they show as the same script when adding it to a gameobject and shows an error in the console so I think it's mainly an early add for it to work with world creations.

[dim cloak]

Probably so. It is extremely similar to scripts on objects in worlds though, so I wouldn't be surprised if it just slipped into the avatar SDK while they have been working on all these different things.

[brave forge]

Well knowing off the avatar in the hub showing you can adjust your height. I'm pretty sure people can make it possible to look like you are climbing them almost like steam ovr. (If that's true we won't need steamvr and stick with our quest buddies lol.)

[outer python]

god think of the phantom sense

[brave forge]

Do you think since they added parent constraints to avatars. Do you think constraints in general would come? Also do you think you can find a way to use parent constraint to lock it in world place (Maybe some sort of fake constraints) on the android side(Quest side)

[dim cloak]

We've had parent constraints on PC for a long time and you can already lock items in the world with them (I do this with my lightsaber and nut button on the beta right now). I'm actually looking at making it so other people can interact with those items around the entire world without being locked to the 5 meter stretch distance of the physbones.

I do hope constraints come to quest so we can do these things on quest as well though. I think it's something they are looking to add, but I don't know if it will actually get added.

[wicked coral]

The strech distance is kind of disappointing - nowhere near 5m on my avatar, so i think its a multiple of the bone length or something

[warm cedar]

Why isn't it on quest, actually?
It's a normal Unity component

[dim cloak]

Yeah it's either that or the avatar's size

[brave forge]

I was also told that the reason why quest audio doesn't have audio source is because some guy had a laggy avatar and everyone was complaining that it was the audio that was playing when it was the avatar. Is this part true if you've heard of it?

[dim cloak]

It apparently isn't very performant on CPUs, but I don't know how true this is.

[dim cloak]

actually yes I heard someone mention in the beta that an audiosource on an avatar was lagging them, although i didn't see if the guy who complained about it was on quest or PC

[warm cedar]

Ah damn, well:
Benchmark time!

[brave forge]

I'm learning from your video about the sender and receiver which I could read the tutorial but I learn better from hearing it. Gonna make it so when people boop me Goblin gnome face pops up. That will teach them to touch anyone and everyone lol.

[dim cloak]

Yeah I am mostly going off of what I've seen in lobbies and been told, but I haven't tested these things myself.

[brave forge]

Question do you know how to make an image transparent on quest side. Some people call it fake transparency.

[dim cloak]

I am very much a visual/hands on learner myself, so I figured I'd try and help out anyone else that's like me and make a video that people can follow along with and hopefully develop a deeper understanding about these things as well.

[dim cloak]

Like fully transparent or just partially?

[warm cedar]

I smell someones frames dropping to 4fps

[dim cloak]

Yeah same

haha

maybe

[warm cedar]

Look I've been told plenty of times

Transparancy on quest equals pain

I'm sorry about this, my quest friends..

[shrewd estuary]

yike

[stiff acorn]

Doesn't matter since they have to opt-in to see it anyways lol. If they show your avatar it's their fault when their framerate tanks.

[dim cloak]

It depends on how many pixels are being made transparent, but yes.

[brave forge]

Full transparent because I seen some 2d avatars that used cutout, but I don't know how that works on quest side. Someone told me it has something to do with additive and I been trying to turn the particles on the tutorial bot for the dynamics when you push the button on the chest to transparent because a lot of people cloned the tutorial bot I made that was pc and quest compatible before the hub world had it and I so I want to be an extra step ahead because the one in the hub removed the push button option on that avatar.

[warm cedar]

nah it's about the annoyance of having to unblock it

[brave forge]

It only means people have to manually show the avatar and in my opinion is an equal fairness to let pc users do what quest users do already lol.

[stray finch]

PhysBones in vrchat don't work for me

Everything is fine in unity

[brave forge]

Vrchat needs to be switched to beta on the oculus website.

[dim cloak]

If the part of your body that is "going invisible" is separate from the visible part of your body then you could use the mobile/particle/additive shader on the part that needs to be transparent.

[stray finch]

On pc

[brave forge]

I'll do more testing on it.

[dim cloak]

If you'd like, we can discord call later and you can show me what exactly you're doing and I can see if there's a solution for what you're wanting to do.

[white sequoia]

is there a avi that i can download to see how things the new mechanics are set up in Unity?

[brave forge]

In your vrchat sdk folder and into the example3 folder and then into the dynamic folder you click on the dynamic scene and it opens up with the tutorial bot with dynamics and everything added on to it. you click on the drop down arrow on the avatar and it shows the dynamic section under the armature/body. Then you will see a button feature and with that button there is a particle that shoots out when the button is pressed but on quest side this particle system has an image that is square and doesn't show up as transparent it shows square. instead of just making it transparent and the material that has the image on it is inside the material folder and that material has the image on it.

[proven oxide]

id say look for a free boothpm or free model in general and just mess around with it yourself
unless you mean a pre-setup one?

if so, i dont believe there'd be any pre-setup avatars for you to look at in unity itself

[white sequoia]

I mostly mean ones with phys bones

[brave forge]

There is an avatar in sdk3 folder dynamic folder and a scene setup with everything that shows it.

[proven oxide]

yeah thats what i meant

oh nicee
i forgot vrc included little things like that

[white sequoia]

oooh, alrighty ill try to give that a go thanks!

[gloomy plinth]

invis stretch bone method?

[white sequoia]

The robot one?

[dim cloak]

I'll check it out when i get the chance

[brave forge]

yes

[brave forge]

Alright no problem.

[white sequoia]

perf, i found it! i never go into those folders to scared lol. Thanks!!

[gloomy plinth]

ah iv tried something like it but my rotations break

getting some real jank rotation stuff goin on

[muted bloom]

Now I’m really curious to mess with phys bones combined with spring joints

[brave forge]

I also plan on editing my avatars clothing so that dynamics are on the clothes and I add a collider inside the torso so that the clothes don't really go into the avatar so then we won't need to delete or blendshape the body to prevent these body clippings 0_0 That's gonna be a nice experiment.

[dim cloak]

That sounds pretty interesting 😮

[brave forge]

(only problem would most likely be when you move around your dynamics clip into the body for some odd reason (Don't think dynamic bones are used to that fast movement speed of players. (Ooo new feature? Toggle between walk and run animations? XD lol)

[dim cloak]

Lol might be interesting although if you just move slower in game you do a walking animation instead of full on running xD

[outer python]

is it just me or in the beta on quest do we seem to turn slower

[gloomy plinth]

pc and quest

[timber jewel]

yeah that happens on PC too, it's a bug

[muted bloom]

Angle limit is much more useful for preventing clipping than colliders fyi

[timber jewel]

yeah I love it

would be cool if we could only limit one direction though

so that it would only not move in the direction of the body

but freely in the rest of the areas

[next spire]

I was asking about PhysBones tho, for dynamic bones the policies are already pretty clear

[chrome parcel]

which receiver type should i use for a basebal bat that bonks people

I'm thinking On enter

but i don't really know how it works

[molten cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7hJVwn-Cs&t=10s

[restive lake]

By the by, if anyone is intrested you can maintain a separate install of VRC using SteamCMD.

Recommend using a second account to use SteamCMD with though, can't be logged into Steam client and SteamCMD at the same time.
Just need to activate the VRC install ticket in the Steam Store for the separate account.
Example:
D:\SteamCMD\steamcmd.exe +force_install_dir "D:\SteamCMDGames\vrcopenbeta" +login <username> <password> "+app_update 438100 -beta open-beta" +quit
Edit: Fixed a quoting error for +app_update

[ebon brook]

How do I play the open beta on quest? sorry to ask, it's just not very clear to me :/

[timber jewel]

look in #open-beta-info there is an explanation for how to do it ^^

[chrome parcel]

I wouldn't.

alot of people are having issues with the open beta on quest

they can't go back to the main install without resetting their device

[molten cobalt]

and also if you don't upload your own avatars you're not going to get much utilisation of the Avatar Dynamics beta on quest

[ebon brook]

I don't have a working PC so I wouldn't be able to upload anything

[molten cobalt]

so yeah I probably just wait for it to release live Avatar Dynamics

[ebon brook]

I'm still confused. I'm finding quite a bit of information about Avatar Dynamics, but not a whole lot on installing/using it

[near grove]

New SDK in #open-beta-info

Just replace the old one

[muted brook]

Looking at this. Does this mean you can receive contact params with osc?

https://twitter.com/maruwo_vr/status/1500048130901164032?s=20&t=r5eDMVpRzIUxhxPbQsDBlA

maruwo (@maruwo_vr)

OSCでコライダーに触ったらサーボモーター動くやつできた！
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[proud bronze]

It's a beta made for testing and feedback. If you're not an avatar creator, it would probably be better to wait for a full release

Especially since you won't be able to see anyone who isn't also in the beta, and vice-versa

[ebon brook]

Ah

[muted bloom]

Contact params can change synced params which you can pull

[muted brook]

should mean that haptics are possible then

[muted bloom]

Or you can skip the middle man and sync the contact params directly, though that is wasteful as contact parameters must be floats

[muted brook]

ya. man we really need more parameters

[muted bloom]

I don’t really think we do if this is output only we just need to be able ro pull local parameters.

No reason a contact receiver needs to be network synced for haptics

They need for OSC parameters to be networked just to pull data is a bit arbitrary

[muted brook]

ya

but i dont see them doing it at all

[near grove]

How do I get this on quest?

Nvm

Sorry didn’t go all the way to the top

[muted bloom]

Instructions are in #open-beta-announcements, unless you are a creator who has a Pc and Unity however you won’t be doing much.

They really need a warning on this build saying you won’t see other players. So many people are thinking this is a preview version and thinking they can get the update early.

[proud bronze]

There is, it's just an easy to miss bullet point close to the top

[tough crane]

Anyone know how to make a touch menu?

[leaden bison]

Is there a way to switch back to live to play with people who don't have it?

[nova raptor]

TBF the Physbones and IK stuff should be able to work on Live IMO it'd let me test Physbones autoconvert easier too if I could see how it handles the variety of avatars other users/players are wearing

[muted brook]

same way you got into the beta

[leaden bison]

I tried that but it didn't work

I swapped back from beta to live

[muted brook]

reinstall vrc

[leaden bison]

Aight

[crisp copper]

you did that before launching the game right?

[muted bloom]

Avatar dynamic should absolutely not be on live. They need useful feedback, not thousands of people uselessly screaming “oh my god you broke all the old uploads”

[crisp copper]

when you switch to live you should get a small update

[muted bloom]

Switching to beta is a patch, switching back to live is a full re-download

[molten cobalt]

also it being in beta for awhile gives time for the Avatar makers to set up physics bone versions of the avatars

[leaden bison]

Yea

[nova raptor]

NO I did not say they should be on Live I said it should work with Live like I should be able to use the Beta and see people on Live
since the autoconvert works locally
so I can see when it breaks other avatars and report it much more quickly than manually going through a bunch of my own
I absolutely agree it is not ready for Live yet

[muted bloom]

You seem extremely confused

If it could see people on live, people would just be downloading it as an early update and then complaining. That is counterproductive to beta testing.

[nova raptor]

Then throw up a bunch of warning messages in game telling people it's not an early update

[muted bloom]

It’s easier to just not let it be used as one 😅

[nova raptor]

Suppose

[molten cobalt]

I've definitely seen some folks treat live compatible betas as early releases not as betas

[molten cobalt]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/024/196/sign.jpg

a lot of folks when presented with error messages that won't impede progress

[muted bloom]

It would also force me to choose between avatar dynamics and IK-beta and I refuse

There is no live. There is only avatar dynamics and IK-beta.

[nova raptor]

I said "Physbones and IK stuff" lol I want both too

[muted bloom]

The IK beta will probably be running a long time. Wouldn’t be surprised if avatar dynamics hits live first, and then gets added to the IK beta at the same time.

[muted brook]

ya. I hope they add chest tracking though

[nova raptor]

Yeah... that does happen too often
You been to "The Multi World"?
the amount of people who walk into the void not reading the sign or even interacting
with the cubes around them which are the only thing there
is infuriating

[leaden bison]

Ok I think I fixed it

[nova raptor]

Same adds a bit more of detail to my movement which I find really nice
subtle but still nice (I've tested using it in other games obvs)

[muted brook]

ya

also for dancing is really useful not have your shoulders be independent

[nova raptor]

Mhm shame shoulder tracking isn't even practical/easy enough
it's not even in NeosVR natively iirc
though upper torso/chest tracking is def an improvement over just 6pt tracking

[muted bloom]

I just use the IK beta with the three point it’s overwhelmingly better

[nova raptor]

Yeah, I don't have FBT anymore so same...

[muted bloom]

Though I still wish the leg IK would kick in the instant you stop walking instead of two seconds later

[timber jewel]

yup same

[near grove]

so in this transition that leads this state back to default (not grabbing phys bone, not stretching) does this only let the transition occur if both conditions are met or if only one is?

[muted bloom]

Two conditions means And

[near grove]

ty

[muted bloom]

Two arrows with one condition each is Or

[near grove]

so if i had a second transition from eye pop to default it would be an or

[muted bloom]

Yes a single arrow can hold a ton of transitions, Select it from the top of the inspector when there is multiple

Each transition has multiple and’d conditions

[chrome parcel]

has anyone else noticed a slower turn speeed in the beta

[inner kayak]

it’s tied to fps now in VR- already on canny

[timber plinth]

it was unreliable because sometimes the bone faces the wrong way in unity because it doesnt have an end point

[chrome parcel]

what's canny

[timber plinth]

#open-beta-info

[timber jewel]

yeah makes sense I hope that there would still be a way to also auto convert it though

[inner kayak]

got my knife pull to be pretty nice feeling

really hoping this canny is completed as contacts for this isn’t perfect and makes logic complicated
https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-xhandl-xhandr-bools-for-physbone

[near grove]

good stuff

[restive tapir]

Related to the contact breaking in the mirror that happend to me too
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/contact-mirror-local-de-sync

[inner kayak]

its very rare so i don't see it as too much of an issue, but definitely needs looking into

[floral coral]

So!

I have an avatar with ears, please note that said ears are on a seperate armature. The ears had dynamics, and when the beta came out I updated to physbones

Well the gestures on the ears broke. The debug (and me double checking in unity) shows that nothing is wrong with the controllers on the avatar, and I checked the isAnimated box on em in unity

I'm stumped cuz I thought "isAnimated" would still let them move. any ideas?

[timber jewel]

oh I have the same issue with my tongue

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-cant-animate-phys-bone

[mossy python]

How do you test reciever collision in the editor?

[restive tapir]

Here is the avatar emulator created and updated by lyuma so you can interact inside the unity editor

[near grove]

Make a sender that matches what the receiver is looking for, go into play and test.

[mossy python]

I just have it set to hands, what would I make the sender called?

[near grove]

Make sure that you have the FX Layer on your Animator on the root of your body if it is messing with the FX layer params

[mossy python]

Everything was working last night and now it just appears to not be working

[near grove]

This guide right here shows that

[short jasper]

Trying to make a sword that can be grabbed from it's sheathe for someone, but it's not quite working how I need it to

What am I doing wrong here?

[molten cobalt]

you should probably be thanking the folks actually making the tutorials I'm just tossing up links

[near grove]

My b, thought you were the one who made it lol

I will prolly leave a comment then

[molten rune]

Does the new VRC phys bone have a update rate setting or a equivalent with a different name.

[inner kayak]

make your max angle 0-1 degree and have your max stretch pretty high

(i use the x_Stretch value to snap the knife to my hand using a constraint)

[molten rune]

if not please update it with one, i make lots of ps1 avatars and without this its utterly useless to me.

[molten rune]

does the vrc psy bone have a Update rate or equivelent setting?

[near grove]

Bones being "Grabbed" are only manipulated as a bone should be, which is via rotations, you may want to look into the Joints

But I think 1 works too, Tho not too sure

[floral flint]

Make a canny request !

[inner kayak]

thats what stretch is for

[near grove]

I just did grab into a Joint, might try this instead

[inner kayak]

i hope if this is added it works on humanoid bones, i love the effect delayed IK gives

[plucky hinge]

When submitting bug reports / videos for old avatars that were horribly broken with physbones, how should we identify avatars in the canny? Just our vrc name, avatar name, and account, or avatar ID, or what? If anyone knows offhand

A few of my older bases have gone all exorcist with the new system XD

[sonic loom]

How do you get the phys bones for quest

[molten cobalt]

question why the heck would you be using physics Bones on a PS1 Avatar

[muted brook]

question is why not

[short jasper]

Confused

[proud bronze]

You have to upload a Quest avatar that has physbone components on it through the beta SDK

[sonic loom]

Oh OK thank you

[near grove]

It allows the weird geometry glitching of a PS1 avatar

[sonic loom]

I'm dumb so I don't exactly understand though

[short jasper]

I'm using empties for this and the bone only rotates and doesn't translate, is that part of the issue

[molten cobalt]

wouldn't that be more accurate with shaders

[near grove]

Follow this response @short jasper

[restive tapir]

yes! i forgot that the new bones doesnt have the update frame rate option!
its very usefull to make funny avatars lol

[near grove]

I use something I thought of myself that might not be very smart lol

[short jasper]

I have and it seems to still only rotate when its being pulled

[near grove]

Stretch is set to 1?

[inner kayak]

might be endpoint or requiring child bone

[near grove]

Stretch is what allows the bone to change Position

[short jasper]

Nevermind I got it, the root bone was attached to the endpoint instead of my actual root

[inner kayak]

pat pat

[sonic loom]

How are you all so smart is my question

[near grove]

Unity Knowledge, plus SDK docs lmao

[frosty lotus]

is there a way to check out the new beta for quest only?

[sonic loom]

Huh makes sense

[inner kayak]

google

[short jasper]

The collective knowledge of other players of VRChat and also "fuck around find out"

[inner kayak]

oh yeah that too

[sonic loom]

Makes even more sense

[near grove]

I came from Unity background knowledge after making my own games as a passtime

The new PhysBones are new to me for sure, but the SDK docs is really well written.

[wicked coral]

I had that problem and it seemed to fix when i put a phys bone collider on the object, added a 1 to the colliders list in the original physbone component and dragged the new collider in there. it didnt even have a blue outline like it could be grabbed until i did that

[sonic loom]

Stop making me feel dumb

[near grove]

Why does my phone's autocorrect hate the word docs?

[inner kayak]

i started vrchat after almost 5k hours making scripts and content for gmod

[near grove]

Ahhh, Source

[inner kayak]

i still call dynamic bone "jiggle bones" sometimes..

jiggle bones are pain

[molten rune]

your the idiot here, dont make a fucking comment if you dont understand what the setting im talking about even does.

[near grove]

LMAO I did too because of the Sm4sh Modding Scene

[molten cobalt]

I know what the setting does I'm just wonder I'm just wondering how the heck it's relevant to a PS1 Avatar that doesn't have any bones that jiggle

[mossy python]

Okay so my contact reciever just kind of stopped working and I have no idea why, would anyone be able to help me troubleshoot this?

[near grove]

Ensure that the parameter matches to a T with the Animator, then try rebooting Unity

[mossy python]

It just doesn't update the parameter

See it's not just broken in Unity, it's broken in VRC too

[inner kayak]

is the parameter a float?

[mossy python]

Yes

Again it was working earlier

[near grove]

Weird, are you sure that the Animator has the spelling 100% and that it is a Float?

[mossy python]

Yes

[near grove]

That looks like an INT

Usually Unity shows a .0 at the end

[molten rune]

no thats not what it does. poiyomi does that with its vertex rounding. you put the update rate to 12 instead of 60 and set up dynamic bones on your armature and set dampening elasticity and stiffness to 0.97 and it makes your avatar look like its running at low framerate

[inner kayak]

int and float show same

[near grove]

Hmm, I am on some stuff today lmao

[inner kayak]

i think it shows 0.0 in playmode ..?

[near grove]

Might be a setting I turned on

[molten cobalt]

you're going to have to find the new settings that match that look as dampening elasticity and stiffness doesn't match 1 to 1 with the physics bone sliders

[mossy python]

Oh wait I am getting FX Layer errors in playmode

[near grove]

Ohhhh, I see, so then the mesh moves as if it were at the framerate of the PS1

[mossy python]

What are these layer errors?

???

[near grove]

Layer IDs were maybe goofed on...

Open the animator with a text editor and see if you can see any LayerIDs or Layer Indexes mocking another

They use that usually to tell the animations what permission it has over another

[mossy python]

On play these are the only issues

I changed Damage to D just to make sure it was perfectly the same

[near grove]

I see

It still inits it

[mossy python]

Does the parameter have to be present in ALL playable layers or just the FX Layer?

[near grove]

FX or manipulated layer only

[mossy python]

Man

Why is it just not accepting this float

[near grove]

Try renaming it for everything, and creating a new float with that name

[inner kayak]

made you a canny
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181-update-rate-setting-for-physbones

add your specific usecase to a comment pls

[molten rune]

the key is the setting not and the context you decided to clearly not read, not the pluggin or the fact its being used on a ps1 avatar.

[mossy python]

No good, I fully deleted the parameter and made a new one

[near grove]

Darn

[mossy python]

What the hell is causing this

I think I'm gonna delete the SDK and reimport it

[tender bridge]

when was the last update on open beta

[molten cobalt]

then make a vrchat canary post as otherwise the developers won't be able to do your request

[solid obsidian]

Like a week ago or more I think

[mossy python]

I am so confused

There is literally no reason this should not work

[charred nebula]

Oh, I think I know what they were talkin about, the dynamic bones has a framerate setting thing, they probably wanted to have a low frame rate for the physics

[molten rune]

indeed

[tender bridge]

nah the beta its self is just a bit buggy a quest

[mossy python]

@floral flint Do you have any idea why it would say it cant find an animation parameter that definitely exists?

[molten rune]

if you put it on your armature and make every setting 0.97 your whole avatar moves at a low frame rate like spider verse

oh yeh and turn the update rate from 60 to 12

[inner kayak]

ive wanted to do that for the longest time after seeing someone with stuttering IK

[floral flint]

Sorry, what's "it" ?

[mossy python]

Basically my contact receiver just cannot find the parameter in the FX Layer even though it definitely exists

[floral flint]

What if you put that animator into the Animation Controller component input field ?

[mossy python]

No dice still

I've been using Lyuma to test

[wheat briar]

I'm dissapointed after seing how bad the auto converter is, cant wait for most avi's to be broken

[inner kayak]

Lyuma recently patched some stuff with their emulator regarding AD I believe. Are you using latest version?

or well i guess that wouldn't matter if it isn't working in game

still update if haven't

[mossy python]

Yeah

Im using the latest version

And the receiver is just going hurr durr param doesnt exist

[charred nebula]

Yeah it is rather rough, even with avatars that didn't do anything fancy beyond just having simple jiggle

[wheat briar]

yea, I've got entire skirts just doing there own thing or massively clipping now

[mossy python]

So is my project just broken

[wheat briar]

my friend has random parts of there avi just floating 2 meters away from them too

[charred nebula]

I think most of mine just got a slight bit stiffer, but ahwell, I been wanting to update these old fellows for awhile now to the new SDK

Even with just the simple physics, having that extra touch of interactivity is fun

[molten cobalt]

very nice video

[wheat briar]

I've got my ears that were find before being both too stiff with animation movement and then too floaty with its actual dynamic

Piece of cloth on my wrist has also decided it wants to spaz out to extreme levels

[mossy python]

Dammit why is this just broken

Im so pissed

[charred nebula]

What happened?

[mossy python]

Any float param I put in it just cannot find in the animator

Even if I declare it a million times

[wheat briar]

like, if i hold it up to somebody it might give someone a seizure kinda bad which is obviously not what i want

[charred nebula]

Can ya show in the form of pics?

[chrome parcel]

Game object audio sources aren't working for me when activating them via a receiver

I'm using a simple hide/show animation for my audio source and it's ticked play on awake

and it's supposed to hide when the bat hits someone's head.

The parameter itself is working via debug and I'm seeing it go from 0 to 1 on debug

But the animation itself isn't playing the audio

is there something I'm missing

[charred nebula]

Oh, did ya set that parameter to the right kind of parameter?

[mossy python]

Yes

Float

[charred nebula]

Ah, so do the other floats show up but not that one?

[mossy python]

None of them do

It won't recognize anything in the animator

[charred nebula]

Oh, so none of the parameters show up?

[mossy python]

Correct

Apparently the issue is here

@floral flint any idea?

[floral flint]

None, sorry

[stable wagon]

i need to know something. how can i make sound if someone boop the nose?

[muted bloom]

In the animator parameter tab type in a decimal to make sure you didn’t accidentally make it an int

[fathom jungle]

Hey I cant seem to access open beta on my quest

[muted bloom]

And run a sanity check and make sure the controller is on the descriptor? 🤷‍♂️

[stable wagon]

ok. so it seem it not working. i am unclear how make nose make booping sound

[dim cloak]

Do you have your controller in your avatar's animator in the inspector?

[fathom jungle]

Help I cant seem to access the open beta on my quest 2

[muted bloom]

The most common mistake is that the contact parameter needs to be a float

[stable wagon]

ok. i got that set up

[muted bloom]

And you need to remember to add a tag to it (hand, usually)

[stable wagon]

i got hand add

[hollow belfry]

#open-beta-info

[dim cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igh9IEbxIP0 brief video that explains the logic behind my nose boop and headpat animations

[stable wagon]

k. i look into that. thank you

[fathom jungle]

Yeah I dont see the option to change to beta

[proud vault]

can you be more clear where you aren't seeing the option at?

[mossy python]

So I have declared it as a float like 20 times so I know that's not an issue. As for the animator controller, I left it empty and ran Lyuma since that pretty much overrides it

[fathom jungle]

The actual detail page at the store

[dim cloak]

You should try ole faithful and see if it works with just the base unity testing method to see if Lyuma has a bug potentially.

[mossy python]

How would I do that, just only use the FX Layer?

I tried that

I also tested IN vrchat to no avail

[stable wagon]

hmm. i feel that video maybe missing info. so let me ask you this. when i test it by hitting play. why do my sound come alive before my receiver and sender touch other

[coarse stag]

Hey just a reminder, Av3 Emulator is available here:
https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator/releases

If you didn't update to 2.9.6 or 2.9.7, it fixes PhysBone parameters in some cases

[coarse stag]

Hey are you using the emulator?

Make sure you have the latest version

[mossy python]

I am using the latest version yeah

[coarse stag]

AnimParameterAccessAvatarSDK only works with the first playable layer. That's why the emulator has its own implementation

[rare ridge]

I want to make an avatar so when I slap someone on the head, it makes a sound. Can someone help me?

[coarse stag]

Let me scroll back and understand. Why did this subject come up?

[coarse stag]

Ouch needs to be a Float

[mossy python]

It is

No floats I declare work at all

[coarse stag]

I'd suggest trying avatar 3.0 emulator

[mossy python]

I have tried countless names, recreating the FX layer, setting parameters in different layers, removing layers, etc

I've been using the emulator the whole time

The message comes up exclusively when I use the emulator

[coarse stag]

I don't see it in your scene there. It shouldn't be using AnimParameterAccess

You're sure you are on 2.9.7

[mossy python]

Yep, I donwloaded it today

[inner kayak]

^

[coarse stag]

Though that's just an error on Start(). Quite peculiar

He has the latest tho so apparently a new issue?

No errors?

[mossy python]

No errors, just the warning that it cant find the parameter

[stable wagon]

i just going make fast video. maybe someone can spot my error

[mossy python]

For reference, a is ouch but renamed

[proud vault]

This is not obvious at all. go to VRChat on your oculus app, scroll down past the ratings and reviews, there will be additional details. tap the number beside version (its a link). the top right is the drop down to change to beta

[mossy python]

I'm so close to just giving up

[hushed nexus]

Does anyone know how to leave beta on quest?? I changed the version to live but it’s not working…

[velvet mica]

I would not recommend switch it tho my friends have tried switching it back and can’t and now are stuck on beta and they have tried everything

[inner kayak]

reinstall after switching to live
oculus does not treat open beta to live as an update, as open beta is newer

[dusky raft]

Uninstall the whole app and reinstall after switching off of beta on quest

[velvet mica]

My friends tried that I think and It didn’t work

[outer python]

this works its what i do

[velvet mica]

Ah ok let me inform them

[hushed nexus]

Uninstalling now, hoping it works 🥲

[stable wagon]

ok, can someone tell me where eror in this video. why is sound from start of play get trigger

[inner kayak]

that’s just the top left corner of your unity for 2 minutes

[fathom jungle]

I dont see anything past reviews

[gloomy dagger]

Check the vid before sending it please, we see nothing. xD

[mossy python]

Sorry for the ping but what do you recommend I do from here?

[stable wagon]

did you watch all of it?

[gloomy dagger]

is it meant to only show the heirarchy tab?

[stable wagon]

oh. i see. let me fix it

lol

i try that again 🙂

[unkempt finch]

Does anyone have a nifty tool that automates replacing dynamic bones with vrc phys bones?

[inner kayak]

built into SDK, it’s an Auto Fix option in the avatar build panel

duplicate your avatar first though as you can’t undo

[mossy python]

I just tested the emulator with another avatar and it could find the parameter easily

[unkempt finch]

How do you access the tool?

[hushed nexus]

WORKED!!💗

[inner kayak]

it shows a warning in the build panel with an Auto Fix button

same place it warns you about performance issues

[gloomy dagger]

If you have the new SDK with dynamic bones script there, it'll give you the auto fix to replace all DBs with PB

[velvet mica]

Welp it did not work for my friend

It was the second thing they tried

[fathom jungle]

Ah there we go

[inner kayak]

have them sign out and back into the oculus store page where they are switching from open beta to live
i’ve had it refuse to register me change it before

[stable wagon]

ok. zoom fix. can someone tell me what is wrong. btw, i am sick so dont mock my voice

[velvet mica]

Kk

[fierce shell]

Hey maybe put a big freaking disclaimer that you can't see people who haven't downloaded the beta

The game never tells you this

[outer python]

at the top of the beta info channel it says that betas do not interact with the live version unlesss otherwise sstated

[stable wagon]

already know that.

[fierce shell]

Ah, yeah that's made very clear

T_T

[fathom jungle]

All the phybones omg so cool!

[molten cobalt]

the announcement mentions it's not live compatible

[muted bloom]

Only because you specified you wanted to see it in first person

[stable wagon]

i guess no answer to my problem. well, i got nothing -.-

[mossy python]

WAIT

Why is it happening with other avatars too

I'm going to cry

Is my Unity just broken

[stable wagon]

you got same problem too

[mossy python]

Am I just doing something horribly wrong

[stable wagon]

can this be bug in sdk?

[mossy python]

I have no idea anymore

I'm fucking pissed though

[stable wagon]

i did that same try before baby but not with this new update. it almost seem like thing get turnon on start

[muted bloom]

You are using a custom tag for a receiver. Do you have a sender with the tag of the same name?

[stable wagon]

they are same

[velvet mica]

They don’t remember there oculus stuff

[stable wagon]

i look over 3 time

[muted bloom]

The video is a little hard to see all of the text is completely pixelated

[stable wagon]

ya. limit on upload

[muted bloom]

Try streamable.com it’s free

Its Imgur for videos

[stable wagon]

but it dont matter. sound play is already on for unknown reason. so test will not work even if i try

typo

[dim cloak]

What?

[mossy python]

WAIT

IT WORKS

[stable wagon]

?

[spring salmon]

Is thier a simple tut on new physbones colliders?

[mossy python]

The emulator component actually broke the upload and I had to remove it

[stable wagon]

it working but my problem is

why is this on from start?

is this anything

[velvet mica]

Does anyone know when there going to fix the beta mod???

[mossy python]

Emulator is bugged

Thats what I learned

[small surge]

Av3Emulator ? update it 2.9.7

[stable wagon]

oh

how you update it

[small surge]

https://github.com/lyuma/Av3Emulator/releases

[stable wagon]

ok. so now it work after i turn it on

so this is sdk thing

[near grove]

When is the Quest version of the beta be on?

[rustic shoal]

Will there be ways to add more slots for the custom contacts for the Avatar Dynamics?

[stable wagon]

next thing i need to know how do i make grab sound 😛

[turbid chasm]

So like, do hair phys bones work for quest yet, cuz I may have just added them for nothing lol

[stable wagon]

it do but very limited

[rustic shoal]

did you boot the vrchat in beta?

[turbid chasm]

This may be a dumb question, but uh, how do I do that?

[rustic shoal]

its not a dumb question

Go to Steam Library

Find VRChat

Right Click on VRChat on the left side menu

[coarse stag]

@stable wagon did you get it working?

What was the fix

[stable wagon]

it seem to work. i going test it in beta

[coarse stag]

Ah ok

[rustic shoal]

Go to Properties....
then Betas
On the drop down menu select open Beta

this is do a small update to vrchat and you are ready to go @turbid chasm

[turbid chasm]

Okay, ty very much ^_^

[hollow belfry]

Are you talking about Unity Tags? Because if so, I don't think vrchat supports custom Unity Tags as they would have to be included in the original Unity Project

Unless I am mistaken

[hollow belfry]

Please read #open-beta-info

[rustic shoal]

that is what im thinking too

[muted bloom]

VRC Contact Senders and VRC Contact Receivers require tags for what part of the avatar they represent/should respond to.

If you don’t add tags they will not function

[hollow belfry]

Ah so a tag inside the script

If it's just a string value in the script it should be fine

[muted bloom]

It’s an array of strings

A sender will activate a receiver if they have at least one string in common

This will be fun for about five minutes before someone uploads an avatar that activates everybody’s receivers constantly

[rustic shoal]

so are we able to make custom tags just in the sender and receiver parameters and not in the avatar descriptor?

[small surge]

Would only work with other that has it but yes

[stable wagon]

it work

[rustic shoal]

hell yeah

[muted bloom]

Yeah the avatar descriptor is for resizing the default senders, if you want a custom sender, add the sender script.

[rustic shoal]

This is where I would add the script?

[hazy geode]

I question when this will be out of beta,

[muted bloom]

If you want special avatars that only interact with each other you’ll need to make up your own unique string

[hazy geode]

I don't want to add anything to my avatar until it's offical

[hazy geode]

Orrr

Just use Poiyomi Pro,

[muted bloom]

There is no release date

[hazy geode]

Same with every beta

I wasn't expecting an answer

It was more or less a guess question

[muted bloom]

You could, but avatar dynamics is much more powerful and doesn’t require you have people’s shaders enabled 😅

[hazy geode]

Maybe. I haven't played with it

I want to play with OSC so bad but,

No online tutorials

I wanted to have voice activated toggles on my avatar

[muted bloom]

I’d give it at least a month minimum, possibly more

[hazy geode]

Ik. Just sucks hearing how people are making Brain controlled ears, tails etc, working clocks, face tracking, twitch integration, etc, yet no tutorials

[muted bloom]

Oh, that’s all OSC, that stuff is already live

[hazy geode]

Honestly, you could do Quest FBT with SlimeVR using OSC, it would just take so much parameter space on the avatar

[worn roost]

People need to know what they are doing before they can make a tutorial about something. But yeah OSC is live, beta is for avatar dynamics

[hazy geode]

Yea, I know. That's why I want to play with it lol

I was thinking of switching to the beta but

[mystic dust]

Why I can't see nobody in the worlds?

[muted bloom]

Which it really shouldn’t, you should be able to drive local parameters because moving those humanoid muscles can get pumped over network IK anyway, they don’t need to be network synched and animated remotely

[hazy geode]

It's not a live update

Gotta switch back to the live build

[muted bloom]

OSC is on both live and beta. It’s just out. It’s released. Everything has it

[hazy geode]

I wonder if osc and the new Dynamics would work together,

Would be really powerful and fun

[mystic dust]

the beta doesn't work?

[muted bloom]

They do. with contacts you can make haptic feedback extremely well defined, again if we didn’t have to use parameter space for it all the time.

[hazy geode]

Once again,

It is not a live update

You should read what your jumping into before switching to the beta. The beta is for beta testing, not upgrading your gameplay

[muted bloom]

If you use the beta you will only be able to see other players using beta and there are very few of us, you will probably be alone

[mystic dust]

Ohh okay thanks u :)

[hazy geode]

I get annoyed when people join Beta just to have stuff,

[muted bloom]

👍

[hazy geode]

lol

I think everyone does though

[muted bloom]

It’s the only reason I’ve ever used betas

[hazy geode]

That's not a good thing,

Its really only for beta testing and feedback,

[muted bloom]

Yeah I want to get info for feedback

[hazy geode]

That's fair.

[lime yarrow]

I'm already using voice commands using voice macro software and an OSC hotkey program that Salvesti made

Let me grab the link

[hazy geode]

That would be nice

I looked it up and got all kinds of random stuff

[lime yarrow]

https://github.com/Salvesti/OSC_To_keypress_Console

Use this in conjunction with a program like voice attack or voicebot pro

[muted bloom]

I wish local-only huds and everything didn’t negatively impact your avatar rank

[lime yarrow]

That turns voice commands into keypresses

@hazy geode

It outputs parameter changes as key presses, and vice versa

So you can control external programs with vrchat as long as they support hotkeys

And you can control vrchat with anything that outputs key presses

So any macro software really

So you can also use it to add music/discord control to your avatar

It's pretty cool

If you have any questions, ping me in #avatars-osc

[prisma dune]

oof
I tried to fix this, but could not get it to look the same as dynamic bones at all, I hope they leave it as an option or fix it ._.

[proud bronze]

Looks like your gravity is upside-down

[chrome parcel]

I got my berserk sword to go clang I am happy

[tender dome]

if you have the gravity modifier set as a negative, it inverts the gravity

gravity positive = down force, gravity negative = up force

[noble glen]

How do you enable avatar dynamics?

[prisma dune]

There’s no gravity at all, there is a collider in the chest that kept them from going inside the body and that did not transfer well, if that’s removed or made smaller they just explode when you walk instead

[tender dome]

oh yeah colliders seem to be buggy

[quaint geode]

experimenting with different max angle values might help with it from clipping inside

all depends on the bone positioning for trying that though