3d-modeling

[azure rain]

https://youtu.be/dpolR6NjNhw

worlds might be a bit simpler to start with as that doesn't involve the complications of making a rigged character model

[grim quail]

Hello I was wondering if anyone could help me with shrink-wrapping and baking for model detail on a low poly model.

[quaint jasper]

Which step do you need help with ?

[grim quail]

From first shrink wrapping a high poly to a low poly then baking a normals map for it. I tired before but I can't seem to get it to work. I have tried following tutorials but they are a year or 2 old and are not working for me.

[quaint jasper]

You shouldn't have to shrinkwrap anything if it's the same model though

what are you trying to bake ?

[grim quail]

I thought I had to shrink wrap it since all the tutorials I followed had instructed to. I am trying to bake a high poly face and body to a low poly face and body.

So basically trying to get a normals map with body detail for the low poly model.

[quaint jasper]

yeah shrinkwrap isn't necessary

I'd suggest you give it a couple more tries with https://blender-addons.org/textools-addon/

[grim quail]

Ok thank you so much for the advice. I will look into this.

[spiral sigil]

Is there a better way to have a very smooth dense geometry for the circle part, while keeping as low poly as possible elsewhere around the ball without this horrible effect around the area when seen under lighting? I plan to decimate the quad part around the ball but not where the button gadget part is, which I have done and will show. Is there a way to have like a gradual increasing in topo density (or whatever you would call where there are more verticies and faces and stuff for more detail) as the geometry flow approaches the part of the ball where the button is located, so that the entire ball doesn't need to be super high poly to combat this annoying lighting effect? Trying to keep this under like 5k tris

I am probably asking for the impossible but I might as well try asking

[quaint jasper]

you need to mark those edges as sharp

or to unable normal auto smooth

Might have to increase the angle though

[spiral sigil]

Alright i'll try, hoping marking sharp works over in unity too

well shite I overrided my blender save that had all of the backup balls including the one that was still quads and not decimated and now I only have my decimated one

my subconcious control+s is killing me

i swear I saved as something seperate before I deleted it all

[quaint jasper]

Check the auto saves

[spiral sigil]

AH lifesaver

thank you

marking sharp didnt make any difference w the decimated ball but hopefully it works wit the quad one

unless I marked sharp incorrectly

[quaint jasper]

There's probably already normal data, so do it manually like in the screenshot i posted above

[spiral sigil]

Oh changing the autosmooth of normals has an effect in other programs besides Blender?

[quaint jasper]

yes

[spiral sigil]

That is amazing omg

[devout scroll]

normals are a pretty important part of the mesh

they often decide how stuff gets lit as well

[spiral sigil]

now its amazing and I don't have to try to fix that by using emission

[spiral sigil]

I didn't realise how important they could be

[devout scroll]

might wanna put a bevel on the sharp edges

[spiral sigil]

The button is pretty harsh yea

[devout scroll]

i'd put some on the edges of the white and red parts

things irl are never that sharp so you want to add a little bevel to smooth out the overall look

[spiral sigil]

true

im only at 1.4k tris so I can afford it

[spiral sigil]

Defintely looking better, both the same ball btw

3.3k tri now but its a fair tradeoff

also im not technically breaking the copyright with putting this in VRChat right? Nintendo copyright or whatever would only care if I started selling this for money right?

[grim quail]

Might be a copy right infringement I personally would try to stay away from that.

[tropic zenith]

Hello, the marked area used to be deleted and I tried to restore it. Does anyone know why it's a different color now?

[grim quail]

Looks like the normals are messed up. Try going into edit mode and type Alt+N then use Recalculate Outside. Or you can try the other option smooth normals. This is what I do but there might be a better option.

[calm goblet]

how big are those pokeballs in-engine?

you should be able to just use a fairly low res sphere with a normal map if they're not the size of a full avatar

[spiral sigil]

They would be able to fit into the hand of an avarage humanoid avatar. I will definitely try that as I haven't done really anything with baking my own normal maps

I couldn't follow Blender Guru's anvil normal map baking tutorial last time I tried but ill try again and then apply the same princible to this

been a few months

[devout scroll]

Yeah basically nobody really cares but selling probably not a great idea

[spiral sigil]

okay noted

[drifting ice]

im new to blender/3d modeling: is it better to try to keep the polycount as low as possible from the beginning or to just try and lower it later on?

[foggy granite]

I would say use as much as needed

You can easily control geometry if you keep it low

But some time you need a good bit high in certain areas for detail and deformations

[drifting ice]

ty

[spiral sigil]

just dont put anything into vrchat that has polygon count in the fookin sky yknow and yer good

keep those models for making nice pictures

[oak hatch]

Hm. YEs.

[solemn elm]

cap.

a lot of people are doing copyrighted characters.

[solemn elm]

as long as you aren't profiting. yes.

[safe marsh]

anybody know a good software for upresing textures?

[oak hatch]

yes

[acoustic halo]

is there a way I can snap rotation to where highest points of a mesh on each side of the global X axis are equal?

or even just a selected pair of vertices are equal heights?

basically I want to level an object

oh I think I found something, Edit -> Mesh -> Snap to Symmetry(-X to X)

[safe marsh]

hey for some reason my model is flipped inside vrchat but in unity and blender its the right way

[open scarab]

How does the bones look on that in blender

[quaint jasper]

check the actual bone names

[safe marsh]

how would the bones names mess it up?

all the bone names look fine

for some reason in vrchat the model is mirrored over to the other side

[quaint jasper]

Clear bone rolls in edit mode with alt + R in that case

[safe marsh]

this is what it does in desktop mode

ok i did

did not seem to do anything from what i can tell

[quaint jasper]

it's not a visible change

[safe marsh]

should i reupload it and test?

nothing changed still broken

[acoustic halo]

is there a way to select the other vertex that is on the same coordinate without moving the first one?

[safe marsh]

who you talking to?

[acoustic halo]

whoever knows the answer to my question I guess?

[spiral sigil]

Can someone please make fnf sonic.exe lord X remastered avatar 2D and 3D

[devout scroll]

https://puu.sh/ItbCa/425028c041.png

then just do a box selection

[acoustic halo]

thanks!

[devout scroll]

or select your vertex, hide it with h

then select the other one

and unhide your old one with alt+h

stuff that gets unhidden gets added to your selection

[spiral sigil]

Hey since you guys are good 3d model artists, I was wondering what you would suggest/use for reference, because I would like to get good at that while I practice in blender. Do you guys use 3d model reference drawings you've made, do it by scratch in the brain, or take a random photo and start from there? I would love to know!

[oak hatch]

I use a combination of references depending on what I model.
References are great tools to get you really close to what you need, and to learn the visual language of what you're trying to make.

I even use literal physical objects, when I need to model guns or guitars or whatever.

[devout scroll]

Yeah, always have references or inspiration handy

People who don't use much references probably don't because they've spent hours staring at them already in the past

[fresh rapids]

When learning i used reference images inside my 3d software, but once i started working i had to start using architectural blueprints to make models.

It all depends what you want to model, i got front/side/back reference images for inorganic objects like vehicles and items, especially for hard surface modeling. Humanoids and animals are harder to make because they dont look right unless you know your anatomy and how bones and muscles connect.

Cartoony characters are probably the easiest because you dont need to follow correct anatomical proportions, anime stuff... i dont know, never tried making one.

Biggest tip i can give is to not bite off more than you can chew, start something small and complete it from start to finish(and i mean, sketch, model, texture, rig and animate) rather than just starting a complex model and giving up midway because something isnt working out and you got a ton of polys to fix before you can even get to texturing part.

[spiral sigil]

Yus don't dive into the hard stuff first or else ye gonna hate moddeling

[tropic zenith]

Hello, at some point while building the armature this random dot appeared and it's always orange. Any idea what it is and how to delete it? The VRChat tutorial robot doesn't have it.

[foggy granite]

That’s your origin for your rig

You suppose to have it all the way at the lowest level of your mesh

[tropic zenith]

I can't click on it to do anything with it and the robot doesn't have it though.

[unkempt torrent]

They mean edit the whole avatar up, then move the object back down

[devout scroll]

You can just move the origin

Either to cursor or enabling origins in the top right options menu, which will allow you to just move it

Every object has an origin and you generally want it at 0,0,0

The tutorial robot probably has it down there

[surreal flame]

Ideally select the mesh, shift - select the armature, Ctrl-P and select Armature Deform. Envelope Groups may be useful for quick auto weighting but it will be messy. Otherwise just YouTube search "Blender weight painting" for some videos. There are tons of them around.

[unkempt torrent]

Didn't know that, since that's not usually something I need to do

[prime zenith]

Why can't a Armature modifier be applied to a mesh with shape keys ?

(In Blender)

[surreal flame]

Just a limitation of Blender I'd say. You shouldn't need to apply an Armature modifier though.

[prime zenith]

Ok.. I am trying to weight paint a mesh to an armature, without the modifier it does not rig to it and with an unapplied modifier it does not let me use shapekeyes on the mesh

[surreal flame]

Applying the modifier will just take the rigging away again. What do you mean by "does not let me use shape keys"?

[prime zenith]

They don't work in Unity, it gets stuck, I move the sliders on the skinned mesh rendered and nothing happens

[surreal flame]

And they work without the modifier?

[prime zenith]

Yeah

[surreal flame]

That's weird.

[prime zenith]

Wait what

Now it works after saving like twice and changing some things

Oh well

Nevermind then lmao

Thanks for your time lol

[surreal flame]

As long as it works.

[spiral sigil]

Is there a way to use an object (grey rectangle here) to block the painting I do to another object's texture (black square here)?

Like artists masking tape or whatever

[surreal flame]

Texture painting has an "Occlude" option if I recall, @spiral sigil

[spiral sigil]

I found the option for that, but it doesn't seem to change anything. I tried with the grey rectangle being a seperate and the same mesh. I also tried with Occlude on and off, so like 4 seperate tests total all failed

Im surprised i can't find anything online about this

[surreal flame]

I just tried and occlusion works straight out of a new project. Check your normals?

[spiral sigil]

They seem fine to me, unless its not supposed to be all positive on the outside

[devout scroll]

Make a selection in edit mode then in texture paint mode use the mask selection thing option (M)

[spiral sigil]

Still goes right through because I selected the top face of the black square and hit 'm'

or wait do I have occlusion enabled

[devout scroll]

oh that's not gonna stop it

[spiral sigil]

nvm doesnt change

[devout scroll]

but you can add edge loops to where you want and deselect that part

then you can dissolve them if you don't need them anymore

[spiral sigil]

Thats the problem I don't want to actually add geometry

still good to know how to use the mask though I didn't realise abt it

Oh wait

Occlude doesn't work how id expect, I have to position my camera, then select an image map, and then apply the occlude from that perspective and then it somehow bakes the images onto the map?

[devout scroll]

i don't think that's occlude

i think that's for the quick edit feature

which essentially takes a screenshot and opens it up in an external image editor that you can edit then project back onto your object

[spiral sigil]

That is very weird

It might be because im on a release canidate for 3.0.0 still maybe it just happens to be a bug

[devout scroll]

i don't think so , it seems to work the same

occlude works fine for me if they're both same object

[spiral sigil]

yea these are both the same obj

im just going to install a different version of blender i think they released 3.0 stable yesterday or somthing

[devout scroll]

go ahead but i'm pretty sure they haven't touched texture painting in forever

which is sad because blender's painting capabilities are very much behind everything else

[spiral sigil]

maybe it was because I was on the wrong render engine

my default startup scene is Eeeve still not Cycles

I have no clue how you guys can get this to work i cant make it function for the life of me

The material with an image texture that im painting on is connected to the BC, and the object thats supposed to be blocking the paint just has some random material

[spiral sigil]

can someone record from the very start to the end doing this I must be missing something fundamental but there is literally nothing on the internet, and the Blender docs tell me almost nothing but the definition of what Occlude does

I find fourm pages of people having the opposite problem of me, where its NOT painting through things and they want it to paint through everything

[devout scroll]

what are you trying to do in the end

[spiral sigil]

im trying to paint really smooth edged shapes, like for example here I made a 2d ellipse thing that I shrinkwrap modifered to the ball and I would ideally be able to paint using it like masking tape

the geometry on the ball is decimated and uh very very bad

for the shell part

I have tried using texture masks but there is still a little bit of wonkage like its not very cleanly painted near the edges of the brush it can get shakey and wibbly for lack of better words

[devout scroll]

lol uh

that's an interesting idea i guess

[spiral sigil]

yes but Occlude no work

can you reocrd exactly what u did when you tested it because i have to be missing something

[devout scroll]

it seems that in order for what you want to work you need a few things

both your things need to be the same object

your masking object needs to have thickness so extrude along normals a bit

your masking object needs to have a material and a texture

(a different one so it doesn't interfere)

[spiral sigil]

Okay im trying that all

[devout scroll]

texture painting projection kinda sucks tho

especially when painting spheres

[spiral sigil]

oh

is there a specific material I need to have selected too? I know blender can be picky with that

im gonna select the material that has the texture on the ball

[devout scroll]

you're painting on a texture

the material itself doesn't matter

actually i'm wondering if they fixed this

because i remember when painting a sphere or cylinder you'd end up with a really nasty stretchy smear if you touched the edge of the cylinder/sphere

[spiral sigil]

Finally worked

im going to try with a much more detailed thingy to shrinkwrap onto it

[devout scroll]

you could also try painting with a stencil

[spiral sigil]

I have

[devout scroll]

but i think for this use case a mesh occluding it seems better

[spiral sigil]

in orthographic views even too

[devout scroll]

actually not a bad idea at all, blender's just picky

[spiral sigil]

The stencil works really well wit the repeat ball I did

its an ok idea

[devout scroll]

i mean mesh occluding is not a bad idea

i would have probably just use cuts or extra edge loops and then use the M mask

then dissolve because it seems faster, but i guess with a mesh mask you can keep it in case you want to change something again later

[spiral sigil]

There we go okay perfect

still its not perfect but i mean it cant be because its painting onto a sphere so its a weird angle

Thank you alot

[devout scroll]

[steady shale]

how would i go about finding clients that i can do 3D modelling work for in this community? I've had about 2 and a half years of game oriented development experience and freelance 3D modelling.

[spiral sigil]

There is VRC Traders Discord that is all about commissions

its in #community-servers-old

[steady shale]

oh thanks dude

[spiral sigil]

You can go DM TheLuck0Not on there, and then ask to get verified for x thing. So like avatar creation or Quest optimization or prop moddeler or particle effects etc. Those are listed in the bot channel i think

[steady shale]

oh that's actually really cool, i have experience working in HiddenDevs and indie game studios so this really helps

thanks

[spiral sigil]

no problem man

[wise mirage]

Does anybody know how to edit one eye in Unity? I want to repaint the eyes colour being one blue and the other one yellow, but I don't know how to do it separately since both eyes' texture is the same one. Anyone that could possibly know how to?

[devout scroll]

Gonna have to take it to blender

And depends on if you have space in your texture to copy paste the eye into some free spot

[devout scroll]

I wouldn't suggest a new material for that, it's a bit of a waste despite being slightly easier

[languid fog]

Edit the uv map of your model

You dont need a new material

Just edit the uv and paint the new eye

[devout scroll]

It's actually pretty easy to do manually

Auto atlas sucks

In Photoshop: https://puu.sh/ItFLh/64aa3293f2.mp4

In Blender: https://puu.sh/ItFQs/44166678b6.mp4

You can use https://www.photopea.com/ if you don't have photoshop

[quaint jasper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ruuubick_/status/1467258129230483462

Ruuubick (@Ruuubick_)

Here is my proudest work so far, learned a lot along the way and I couldn't be happier about how it turned out. Thank you to all who helped me ! #Blender3D https://t.co/C9Qh5ubM1F

Twitter · Dec 4, 2021, 10:22 PM

[merry cedar]

Omfg my guy already has that many triangles... He doesnt even have hair, eyes or clothes

head adds like 50k

fkkkkkkkkkkk

[spiral sigil]

I cannot possibly understand where the 50k tris in the head come from

[foggy granite]

Why the head i so dense

I can look near the back of it

But the head can easily be optimized

[devout scroll]

Good work!

[merry cedar]

ok so the head actually adds like 35 i had an extra object ther

but still the body is like 55k i dont understand

[foggy granite]

Still a shit ton

I recommend just remaking the head since the topology don’t looks the greats and also of the polygons are redundant

You can really get the same result for 4-8k faces

[merry cedar]

so topology bad 😦?

but i have subdivision on

its supposed to be on? right?

[foggy granite]

The face is pretty basic topology but from other angles yes

[merry cedar]

no i dont think so

[devout scroll]

topology looks fine to me

if you have subdiv on of course you'll get more polygons

[merry cedar]

but its supposed to be on when its finised?

[merry cedar]

or did i misunderstand something

[devout scroll]

subdiv divides every polygon into 4

[merry cedar]

i know it adds more

[devout scroll]

generally for games you don't need it when your mesh is already kinda dense

[foggy granite]

Yeah

[devout scroll]

for animations and renders usually people keep it on because it smooth things out

[foggy granite]

Yeah

[merry cedar]

the head looks quite clean with the smoothed surface

[foggy granite]

Textures and normal smoothing does a good enough job

[merry cedar]

so this is good enough?

Ok

[foggy granite]

It decent keep in mind once hair and clothes added a majority’s of the head and body is gonna be covered up

[merry cedar]

ok thanks guys

[foggy granite]

But yeah it honestly just a beginner mistake

[merry cedar]

is it even possible to have some parts of the same body subdivided but not others?

the eyelashes are a separate mesh so when i join them will they remain subdivided?

because they look kinda trash without it

[spiral sigil]

mhmmm tasty green boi you got there

[foggy granite]

Yeah if you Separate it into a different Into object

But I recommend using loopcuts and the knife tool more often

[spiral sigil]

yknow how you can decimate a speicifc selection, without having to seperate it into a new mesh first to apply the decimation modifier. Is there a way to do that but for subdivision

[merry cedar]

The scalp started looking this

for some reason

[foggy granite]

Probably some faces overlapping

[spiral sigil]

welp we know where the geometry is now

[merry cedar]

wtffff

it had duplicated my body and head mesh at some point

if i merge verticies by disctance will it also remove the extra layer

idk how it formed

also lil kitty was right no wonder it had so many

eee

its not actually duped idk whats going on

when i hide or delete it still shows the faces but theyre not actually there

yeah idk either

its also causing these problems

trying to ask some blender experts for help

mirror modifier was messing it up somehow

it like

duplicated my whole head instead of just the half

anyway that decreased my verticies from 86k to 43k while i have subdivision on

phew

i mean triangles

[foggy granite]

That’s better

But still not great

[merry cedar]

well yeah.. im not really experienced

anyway thanks for helping

ill probably end up redoing the head :I, well goodbye many hours of useless work

[spiral sigil]

Reminids me of va11

[spiral sigil]

I made my Viseme Blendshapes only affect the Viemies vertex group, because they were moving other parts of the face that I didn't want. When I try to test the models in unity, the sliders are broke and if I make the number any value but 1 the entire body goes invisible in the viewport.

How would I make the blendshapes permanently only affect the mesh in the Vertex Group specificed

because it seems like as it is right now Unity doesnt know how to deal with it

Do I have to go through e v e r y s i n g l e blendshape and make a new one from mix? it seems like its the only thing I can do but its going to be painstaking

[oak hatch]

@spiral sigil you can script that as an action, theoretically.

[spiral sigil]

heh scripting welp ill just do it manually then

[bold urchin]

Can you describe more about your issue?

[spiral sigil]

Basically my Vieme shapekeys moved my mouth properly. But they also enlarged my eyeballs on my face for some reason. So I made every viseme shapekey only affect a vertex group that I specially made for this, that only is around the mouth region

that works in Blender but apparently Unity doesn't like it. So I indivdually set each blendshape to 1, created a new mix, and then had to use that new set I made onebyone for visemies

[bold urchin]

https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/2941/revert-vertex-position-to-basis-shape-key
Do this next time on the shape keys that are being bad and affecting more than necessary, it’ll reset the selected vertices to the basis and will no longer be affected by that shape key

[spiral sigil]

oh alright ill try that next time thank you

[devout scroll]

yeah just select your eyes, select basis and propagate to shapes

that will essentially remove selected verts from all surprised keys

[upbeat bay]

Learning blender

[shut echo]

umm anyone here familiar with vrm plugin in unity?

[spiral sigil]

You'd have more luck wit support on that in a channel like #avatar-help

This is more for like Blender and similar apps, the Unity part is usually dealt wit there

[shut echo]

aight thanks

[oak hatch]

VRM is pain.peko

[merry cedar]

I managed to reduce 15k polys by redoing the head!! you think the topology is good enough? i had to cut down on it

[calm zodiac]

too many edge loops around the eye and try to even out the vert placement to each other

[merry cedar]

and i added extra one just in case :/

damn

well ill make it better tomorrow

[foggy granite]

Yeah thats enough you got pretty much the same look for way less polygons so that a win in my book

[spiral sigil]

how do i use the knife to cutout parts that the cutout shader would usually do

[obsidian nova]

@merry cedar You’re working with a subdivision surface modifier, right? This is going to look pretty lo-res in game.

[spiral sigil]

it will be hard to notice assuming they use toon shaders

[prime scarab]

Any suggestion on making a 3d model less lumpy?

[surreal flame]

Got an example?

[thin shadow]

cut straight from edge to edge without stopping in the middle, because the newly created vertex in the middle will not have blendshape data so it will go to origin point on every blenshape

[prime scarab]

Yea

[surreal flame]

What do you mean by lumpy?

[prime scarab]

edgy, I guess thats what I mean. I'm trying to get rid of those edge to make it looks smoother

I tried subdivision and that didn't go well

[surreal flame]

Well, just use smooth shading instead of flat.

[prime scarab]

That didn't go well either, for some reason it mess up the faces at lower side

the shade on this face looks kinda weird, will that be a problem if I export it?

[surreal flame]

You probably have flipped normals on the weird faces.

Or they're disconnected.

[prime scarab]

let me check

[surreal flame]

When smooth shading or subdiv makes a mess it's usually something wrong inside the mesh.

[prime scarab]

I just checked, normal is good, also connected to all other faces around it.

[surreal flame]

Have you tried setting it to shade flat and then to shade smooth again?

[prime scarab]

shade flat? let me try it

Nope, still the same

[surreal flame]

Check if there are any inside faces. Or switch to edit mode, vertex selection and do Select by Trait -> Non-manifold and see what gets selected.

[prime scarab]

nothing is selected

tho, come to think of it, the bottom face didn't bevel, could that be the case?

[surreal flame]

Not sure. Could also try selecting everything and joining near vertices, M and By Distance.

[prime scarab]

hmm, not sure whats going on, so I just use bevel on the bottom faces and now shade smooth looks normal

[surreal flame]

The top bevel looks off for some reason.

[prime scarab]

Oh, I didn't select that, I just randomly select some faces to see if shade smooth works

[surreal flame]

Shade smooth should work per object though.

[prime scarab]

there are some places I want to keep edgy so I didn't apply this to the whole thing

wait, so I shouldn't able to apply them to individual face?

Or if I do this there will be problem with the model?

[surreal flame]

Oh no, I just wasn't aware of this feature.

[prime scarab]

Oh, now you know XD

[devout scroll]

enable auto smooth

and/or mark some edges as sharp or crease them

and smooth shading will look fine

[surreal flame]

Where is the auto-smooth toggle?

[devout scroll]

in the mesh tab

where the shape keys are

normals > auto smooth

[prime scarab]

I tried auto smooth, for some reason it didn't work, I can still adjust the auto smooth angle, but nothing will happen

[devout scroll]

works in smooth shading only

[prime scarab]

oh

[surreal flame]

Well that's kind of nifty, no more Sharp edges, Edge split and messy subdiv.

[prime scarab]

Thanks for the help Broken, Pumkin

[devout scroll]

you can mark edges as sharp as well and it also only works with auto smooth on i believe

[surreal flame]

Yeah sharp edges do nothing on their own.

[devout scroll]

No worries, that's why we're here

[prime scarab]

Whats the use of sharp edge?

prevent an edge got smoothed?

[surreal flame]

It tells Blender not to smooth over it, yes.

[prime scarab]

Oh, Nice

[foggy granite]

Yes and no it just does as the name imply it make the shading sharper /flat

[spiral sigil]

Hello please help I made an avatar but the mouth is open on it how do it close it

[scenic owl]

Is there a way somebody could dm me a base model that doesn’t have hair? I can’t find one and I need one for blender, or tell me how to remove hair

[surreal flame]

You mean in VRC when you play?

[spiral sigil]

Yeah

[surreal flame]

Try unsetting the jaw bone in Unity, when you set up the rig.

[spiral sigil]

Alright

Thanks 😊

[surreal flame]

I'm assuming you use visemes for talking, or nothing at all. There's a section where you can define open/closed jaw angles if you want to use jaw bone flap.

[calm goblet]

i'd suggest looking up some character modelling tutorials, grant abbitt has a good playlist

[red sleet]

What is the fastest way to get a Blender scene into Unity for VRChat?

When I've tried using FBX, the materials from Blender don't get imported automatically into Unity (not correctly, at least; textures are missing, etc) forcing me to recreate them all manually in Unity. A huge pain. Is there anyway to bring materials from Blender into Unity automatically?

[thin shadow]

embed texture when exporting

[spiral sigil]

Hello I have a question what do you do if your model came out all black how do you fix that

I put the textures on everything looked good until I uploaded it and it was all black

[white heath]

Hey guys, how can I layer clothes on my avatar?
Im using Vroid Studio and i tried to layer a t shirt on top of a long sleeve that i made but it's just clipping

[keen trench]

hi does anyone know how to make a watch for an avatar

[spiral sigil]

is there a specific mechanic or part of a watch that you are confused on?

or just dont know how to in general

[white heath]

if you guys know of any piece of software that could help or any technique feel free to share

it's all that's missing for my outfit and it's kind of annoying

[keen trench]

more of the general thing

apparently i'm supposed to use the paiyomi text overlay

but it don't seem to work

[spiral sigil]

why do you need to layer shirts? neiza

[keen trench]

do i need to use a front array?

[white heath]

im trying to put a black t shirt on top of my long sleeve

im fiddling around with vroid parameters

it looks like this so far

not quite done yet

the upper body is the issue

(my base is a long coat for the long sleeve)

[spiral sigil]

id probably just delete the clipping undershirt in post once its in blender

or you can draw a overshirt onto the texture of the undershirt

[white heath]

or i can just delete it in vrudio right?

the problematic part

would that work?

if i just delete it

[spiral sigil]

i dont remember vroid adding a way to delete specific parts of the mesh

[white heath]

there's an eraser

[spiral sigil]

that just erases the texture

if you were to try to make the avatar work on quest, youd see the parts you thought you deleted again because Quest doesnt support transparency

[manic ledge]

Created this in Houdini 19, I cant get this noise effect on thee imported geometry 😦 it kills my memory and crashes the simulation. Is there a workaround? should i reduce the poly count?

[quaint jasper]

It's likely millions of polys once exported, so yeah

[white heath]

oh god so it wouldn't work on quest?

:(

im actually pissed, it's my only vr device

[manic ledge]

i know but we can always reduce the poly count and get a decent shape

[white heath]

so wait @spiral sigil

you're saying that me erasing textures to make my long sleeve is not going to work on the quest?

[spiral sigil]

no you need to actually delete the instersecting parts/geometry

[white heath]

oh fuck me

so if i wanna make avatars for the quest i would have better luck just using blender right

instead of making them in vroid

[spiral sigil]

If you are getting into avatar creation you need to learn to be competent in some kinda 3d model program yonow

[white heath]

gotcha

[spiral sigil]

just import the vroid stuff into blender

dont have to do just one or the other

[white heath]

can i import the vrm?

[spiral sigil]

there are youtube tutorials for this

[white heath]

okie

[spiral sigil]

UniVRM

[white heath]

oh god this is way more work than i thought it would be

i feel like im about to dive down into a rabbit hole

[white heath]

Okay I just got my model imported into Blender

I can't figure out how to add the provided textures though...

I can't find anything online :(

[surreal flame]

You have to use Cycles Nodes.

[white heath]

For some reason apparently the texture is selected but my model is still grey

Is that normal...?

it still looks like this

[surreal flame]

What do you mean "selected"?

[white heath]

it's selected in the texture options

under the mmd texture

they're all nicely setup but it still shows up as gray, any idea why?

i tried reselecting it manually

[surreal flame]

I have no experience with MMD but I believe you need to set the texture up in Cycles proper.

[white heath]

oh nevermind, it works now for some reason...

i'm extremely confused

[surreal flame]

First time in Blender?

[white heath]

yeah pretty much haha

[surreal flame]

It's not always intuitive. Some beginner tutorials could come in handy.

[spiral sigil]

@surreal flame is there any way of fixing an avatar if it came out all black it looked good in unity everything was fine until the avatar came out all black

[surreal flame]

No idea why it would do this. You have only one material?

[spiral sigil]

Yeah

Here's a picture

[surreal flame]

Any warnings/interesting messages in VRC control panel?

[spiral sigil]

Yeah

There was

[surreal flame]

Let's see them.

[spiral sigil]

Alright

Sorry for taking long just setting up my pc

Here they are

[steady shale]

if u wanna get rid of some poly use the decimate modifier on the mesh in blender

then re export it

[surreal flame]

What the? 2 million polygons? I don't think this is causing the texture problem but you'll have to fix that before you show up anywhere in VRC.

[steady shale]

oh wait what the fuck i didn't even register how many that had wtf

2 billion it seems

[surreal flame]

Oh right holy shit.

[spiral sigil]

So that's why it wasn't working

[steady shale]

yeah maybe decimate modifier isn't the answer then

yes

a 2 billion polygon mesh would incinerate a quest

and most pcs

how did you even make something with that many faces

[spiral sigil]

Tbh I have no idea

[surreal flame]

I'm thinking perhaps the uploader is freaking out and telling a bogus number.

[steady shale]

wait are u having a problem getting ur unity textures in blender or ur blender textures in unity

[spiral sigil]

No everything was good I put the textures in unity it came out looking good it's when I got to vrchat it was all black

See

[surreal flame]

Also you have 2 materials, not just one.

Check what each of those are.

[spiral sigil]

Alright

Here they are

I added two cause I thought it would fix the avatar at first

[surreal flame]

So I'm guessing you extracted the materials in Unity?

[spiral sigil]

Yeah

[surreal flame]

Why though?

[spiral sigil]

Oh wait no I didn't extract the materials in unity I extracted them in my files then I went to blender and put fix model

Imma restart the model 👍 and try to get rid of the polys like what @steady shale said and see if that works but how do I use the decimate modifier sorry still new to this

[steady shale]

one second i'll dm u a basic rundown

[white heath]

That might be a dumb question and im sorry in advance, but I can't seem to move models grabbing them by the bones? Why can't I do that?

I looked it up and I couldn't find anything on it

I can only move the model itself and not when i grab it by the bones

[steady shale]

are you using blender

[white heath]

yup

[surreal flame]

Possibly the mesh object isn't parented to your armature via armature deform..

[steady shale]

go into pose mode

not object or edit mode

[white heath]

yup

i can select singular bones and move arms and what not

like that works

but in object mode apparently you can grab the bones and move the model around

but it's not working for me. it's not moving at all

[surreal flame]

Not object mode. You need to select Pose Mode while having the armature selected in Object Mode.

[white heath]

Nevermind. I didn't fix model

...

I'm sorry.

You were right, it wasn't parented to my model

[steady shale]

lmao dw bout it

[white heath]

Now my eye texture disappeared

:(

It's so unintuitive to use at first, you were right

I clicked fix model and now no more eyes bleh

[surreal flame]

It would be better to not rely on CATS for everything, because while doing things manually may involve more steps it's also less prone to hard-to-troubleshoot issues that CATS may produce.

And yes, what you just encountered is one of those issues.

[tropic zenith]

Hello, is it fine to use vertex groups to divide articles of clothing in case I want to change something later, because VRChat doesn't like it when there are many meshes, or is there a more proper way to do it?

[white heath]

Is there any other thing that I could use to import a model?

[surreal flame]

You don't need anything, Blender is equipped for that on its own.

You may need to combine meshes and/or materials though.

Not for testing but for later optimization.

[white heath]

yeah that plugin is slightly broken i think

[manic ledge]

@quaint jasper I made it happen in low poly :'''''(

[merry cedar]

I just brushed my teeth only on one side because i thought i had mirror modifier on

[white heath]

Why can't I use proportional editing?

When I'm trying to move the dot it just moves the entire model

Am I missing something?

[open scarab]

Gotto zoom in alot, it start out gigantic

[white heath]

this is what i have

and it doesn't move the dot, it just moves the entire shirt

[surreal flame]

Yeah you should see another circle around the vertex. Just use the mouse wheel to change the influence radius. Alternatively you can zoom out to see where it's at.

[white heath]

my mouse wheel zooms out though

it doesn't change the circle at all

[surreal flame]

You need to be moving the vertex.

Press G then use the wheel.

[white heath]

Scrolling doesn't do anything when doing that

:(

im gonna lose it

[open scarab]

s , scroll away until you see the radius

[surreal flame]

Proportional size is the value you want to get lower.

[white heath]

I have no idea why my mouse scrolling doesn't work

I tried Scaling it and moving it with G

and scrolling

no circle comes up

i feel like im doing something wrong

thanks for trying to help me guys though i really appreciate, again those are the dumbest questions but i couldn't figure it out with tutorials

[leaden ice]

the circle might be universe size

[white heath]

should i try restarting blender?

[leaden ice]

scroll down i think to make it smaller

also, thats proportional sizing, are you using that?

[white heath]

yup

okay so i figured out it changes the number top right

from 300 to 0

but i don't see any circle and when i move it just moves the entire model

[leaden ice]

right, your circle is massive then

[surreal flame]

Does it move the entire model when the value is at, say, 0.1?

[white heath]

you were right

my circle was massive

oh my god...

thank you so much

you guys are awesome

[leaden ice]

no worries, glad to help

happened to me too, blender be strange lol

[dreamy epoch]

You REALLY need to update your VRCSDK. It would give you an autofix for "2 billion polygons" issue.

[spiral sigil]

Really

Hell yeah imma do that right now

[spiral sigil]

Does anyone know how to put hats on avatars

I wanted to put a Santa hat on mine

[candid latch]

need help
when i try to box trim a 3d model with

the whole model broke

[tropic zenith]

Hello, so I tried using mixamo to rig a blender model, but it turned out the armature that mixamo made wasn't symmetric. So I deleted half of it, fixed the other half, then symmetrized the armature.
Now I'm trying to weight paint manually and can't make it paint symmetrically. The new half doesn't have vertex groups, that's probably part of the reason, but aren't these supposed to be automatically generated?

[tropic zenith]

OK, I figured it out. Except it still doesn't paint completely symmetrically. I'd think it's because the arms aren't absolutely symmetrical, if I hadn't literally copied one arm and flipped it earlier.

This is still for 3d-modeling and not #avatar-rigging , right? Because it's blender functionality I don't get.

[surreal flame]

Can you use the Mirror modifier?

[tropic zenith]

Just watched a tutorial and that doesn't seem to be it. The location is the same. By not completely symmetrical I meant that if I paint one half completely red, the other half will have blue spots left and vice versa.

[surreal flame]

Do the troublesome vertices work in X-mirror in Edit mode? If not, the mesh is not symmetrical.

[tropic zenith]

Nope. I even tried deleting the arm again and duplicating, mirroring, and flipping its normals, and the troublesome vertices are still there.

[surreal flame]

If you're going to be duplicating the mesh anyway just use the mirror. This way you're just needlessly troubleshooting things. You can always apply it later.

[tropic zenith]

I separated the arm in a different object and used the mirror. Now the weight paint applies properly, but I'd eventually need to join all meshes and then the mirrored arm would disappear.

[surreal flame]

Not if you apply the modifier first.

Also make sure to do it before creating shape keys.

You do realize modifiers can be made permanent by applying them, right?

[tropic zenith]

No, I barely know how anything works. Applying the modifier turns it into troublesome vertices again, guess I should only do it when I'm sure I will not edit the avatar again.

[surreal flame]

Make sure to check that those vertices don't have weights in another weight group.

Auto-normalize may interfere with painting at times.

[tropic zenith]

Deleting all the vertex groups removes all weights, right? I deleted everything, the armature too, and when I move one arm the other still gets messed up.

[surreal flame]

"Messed up"?

[tropic zenith]

I thought this is what you meant by X-mirror in Edit mode.

[surreal flame]

No, not really.

There are different types of mirrors. In Edit mode, in armature Pose mode, in Weight painting.

And the modifier.

[tropic zenith]

This picture makes it look like the left arm's vertices are merged to the vest. But if I do the same to the left arm, it will separate cleanly and the right one will look like melted cheese.

[surreal flame]

Most likely there isn't perfect symmetry and the x mirror is picking up only part of the other mesh.

[tropic zenith]

Even after applying a mirror modifier?

[surreal flame]

It should be fine after applying but there has to be something else at work.

It's messed up but I'm out of ideas as to why.

Perhaps a dumb question, but are you sure you have all of the vertices of one side selected?

You can use L to select all connected.

[tropic zenith]

Yes. I use X-Ray, select almost the entire arm, then press ctrl+L.
Currently I separated the right arm into its own mesh, deleted the main mesh, made sure there are not any vertex groups or shape keys, added a mirror modifier and applied it and I still get cheese.

[white heath]

Having big issues with CATS right now

when trying to fix the hair of my avatar

is that because the version of blender i use is too recent?

anyone has that issue too?

it does that only with hair

[tropic zenith]

So according to the Blender server this melted cheese thing is normal behaviour and I'm supposed to only apply the modifier when everything is ready. This isn't mentioned in any of the tutorials though. Does anyone here also just keep half of their avatar and hit "Fix Model" every time you want to test how it behaves in-game, then try to remember to undo it before you continue work?

[surreal flame]

Blender server? Link? @tropic zenith

[tropic zenith]

Type "blender" in the invite link.

[surreal flame]

Oh, huh, nevermind. I don't think this is normal behavior but fair enough.

[oak hatch]

aww ye

cute af

[spiral sigil]

lucious locks

[crimson forge]

for blendshape purposes, is it considered good practice to separate the head from the body to limit the affected polygons like in other stuff?

trade a slight neck seam for lighter blend shapes?

[devout scroll]

Opinions are kinda split on this but I think yes

You'll get a worse performance rank but I think it will perform better

[azure rain]

yes

[azure rain]

you're still going to probably have a pretty decent performance rank if you're just having like two objects for the whole Avatar

[devout scroll]

Well yeah but I feel like that's rare nowadays with all the toggles and stuff

[azure rain]

myself I haven't really done much object toggling

[quaint jasper]

It doesn't need to be the whole head, it can just be the face

also i know someone's working on a solution to separate only the vertices that are affected by the blendshapes, was it feilen ?

[azure rain]

yes feilen and it's in the current build of cats

[formal rune]

That feature has been in CATS for like a year

[quaint jasper]

but it's attached to the bake option no ? or is it a standalone thing

[azure rain]

yeah it's under the baking menu

[quaint jasper]

TIL

[azure rain]

feilen pokes me every once in awhile to beta test cats features

[quaint jasper]

Ah, so it is part of the bake, but not standalone

[azure rain]

yep but you could set it to where the bake only just separates the two of them

[quaint jasper]

oh god

my eyes are the state of Texas somehow

[formal rune]

Seperate by Shapes

This is in 0.16

[azure rain]

good to know

[quaint jasper]

Seems slightly innacurate

[oak hatch]

Some texture on her.

[astral cloak]

I this suitable I wanna know before i make the leg, hair, and hands

[quaint jasper]

shade smooth the head, but yeah

[cosmic merlin]

Can you guys combine 2 completely separate meshes? I just link it inside the armature.

[quaint jasper]

You need to select the two objects but yes

[devout summit]

bam just like that we've got Inverse Kinematics in unity, easy-peasy-lemon-whatever

[solar fossil]

Odd taxi

[foggy granite]

Look good, I recommend using creases to sharpen up the blade

[misty valley]

why isnt this part of blender https://blendermarket.com/products/vertex-group-utils

[quaint jasper]

Doesn't really seem that convenient

maybe for hard surface animated models

[still wadi]

it has same system as face sets

and face sets is way more convinient than going through vertex groups

[brisk surge]

Hello! So I've kinda got an issue. My model's hair is a separate piece, but every time that I configure it, the hair moves back down to the feet each time, regardless on if I apply the changes. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? If so, I'd love to know.

[quaint jasper]

Make sure the transforms of that mesh are actually 0,0,0

Also need their transforms applied in blender before export

[devout scroll]

aren't face sets only usable in sculpt mode

[still wadi]

u can switch back and forth very easily

better than side tab where you have to individually click

idk as far as efficiency goes face sets does exactly that with less setup

remind me on stream and i'll show

[brisk surge]

Okay, I'll try that. Thanks!

[thorny ivy]

Any chance of sharin' this? Or was it done by someone else?

[devout summit]

technically a script by someone else, but i'm working on trying to get it to work in vrc

currently it's giving me... issues

[quaint jasper]

i mean, it's constraints

[devout summit]

sort of.

mostly constraints tend to work, i use it for stuff like arm twist and such

the script just doesn't wanna work in vrc, so i'm gonna have to figure out a workaround

[devout scroll]

Maybe try finalIK

[spare crater]

There's a standalone version in the Dev build, under 'model options'

[lunar dove]

Need some help here. In object mode, this cylinder's X axis is proper. But in edit mode, it changes. Why is that and how to fix?

[quaint jasper]

shapekey ?

[devout scroll]

If it's just a cylinder, unlikely

Probably the transform orientation is not set to global

https://puu.sh/IvdzE/da7d7fe555.png

[foggy granite]

Have you applied try applying transformation

[lunar dove]

This was it. Thank you! I'm still in the process of learning blender as a whole so niche things like this are somewhat unknown to me haha

[foggy granite]

Oh my bad

[devout scroll]

Look it, some are super useful, such as normal

But not all of them do stuff in object mode

[devout scroll]

All good

[craggy lintel]

This rarely happens

But when it does

I get stuck

What’s happens when FBX doesn’t want to import to unity

[craggy lintel]

Nvm just restarted computer

[thorny ivy]

Been experimentin' with toon shaders an' the new Line Art modifier for grease pencil. So far, likin' the results.

[cedar portal]

I need to create a simple cube that I can draw a texture on. It should look like this Windows XP camera icon. Is it possible to do that only with Unity? Will this downrank my avatar's performance if I don't use Blender instead?

[azure rain]

I suppose technically you could try like probuilder to build it as Unity doesn't have any built-in modeling tools which you would kinda need to like unwrap the cube so you don't end up put the same texture on all six sides

[cedar portal]

Can I play around with the UV variables? What variables do I need for this?

[azure rain]

I forgot how the UV tools work on like probuilder as I haven't used it much because I do stuff in blender

but like Unity without any add-ons you wouldn't be able to do anything to the cube uvs as it's not modeling software

[cedar portal]

Alright. So, how would it go in Blender? I'm avoiding Blender because I don't want to press a button that would wreck something. Not sure if I'm exaggerating, but Unity is a very touchy tool. Import one wrong thing and everything explodes.

[azure rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7M-B6xnaEM

most stuff in blender you should be able to click Ctrl Z to undo

[devout scroll]

making a cube and unwrapping it is pretty easy in blender so i don't think you should worry about that

[spiral sigil]

yeah ^ pls use blender brother

[cedar portal]

Arrite

[devout scroll]

https://puu.sh/Ivp5U/41210a75a7.mp4

Only thing it doesn't show is that you gotta spin the mousewheel to make bevels have more segments

But other than that that's all you need to do to get that shape @cedar portal

You might want to add more seams to the strip going around so the unwrap uses more texture space

[cedar portal]

Wow. Thank you so much!

Personalized rapid tutorial video

This is the future of helping

You deserve a medal

[devout scroll]

lol it's a pretty simple shape

[spare vector]

How do I fix this? It's under the chin and supposed to be smooth but it appears jagged

looks like this in blender, I assume this is the right channel for this

[devout scroll]

your normals are messed up

select that area and smooth normals a heck ton

in edit mode face select or something

[spare vector]

thank you!!

[safe marsh]

hey i just made some bones for earings on a model im working on and i weighted them and for some reason they shrink and dont line up if i rotate the bones

[devout scroll]

that means they're probably weighted to more than just your bones

probably the head

and both your bone and the head have 100% weights

but also your bones are weird

[safe marsh]

idk i have never done this before

[devout scroll]

because the bones pivot at the top of the bone

i think it's called the head

so you want your bone to start where the weights start and end where the weights end

[safe marsh]

okay

[devout scroll]

something like this

https://puu.sh/Ivswt/3991b3ecac.png

but your bones look fine if you wanted the second bone to move the whole ball

and the first bone to only move the ring

but in that case you would want to weight the whole ball to the second bone

[safe marsh]

well i was just going to do one bone

but i just decided to do 2 just incase of problems

but yeah i fixed it

the head was still weighted to the bottom half

thanks for the help

[devout scroll]

[languid fog]

simple and optimized

[devout scroll]

smooth!

[dusty heron]

I know practically nothing about modelling but that's nice

[languid fog]

Thx

[steady zealot]

What does that look like with the subdivision applied

[languid fog]

Cant show now, but it have 5k try total

[short wyvern]

Wait but if you where to put it one a avatar how would the avatar move with it?

Since its standing still?

[steady zealot]

Hella

[languid fog]

I will do the uv map and texturing then selling it probably

[short wyvern]

Woah that's cool

[languid fog]

Hella? PepeHm

[steady zealot]

Sorry, I meant hella as in "nice"

[languid fog]

Ah ok hahaha

[languid fog]

But i can put it on a avatar too if want yk

Just adjust it to the body, some weight paint and gg

[dawn shadow]

I'm working on an udon world, but I've come across a weird issue with my model. In unity the uvs look fine:

but in vrchat, they seem to be all stretched and jumbled. my only guess was something wrong with importing it as a fbx instead of a blender file, but changing that didn't help. Anyone have any ideas what I might be missing?

[quaint jasper]

What are your mesh settings and what kind of shader/textures are you using ?

[dawn shadow]

these mesh settings?
also, I'm using a mix of poiyomi, standard and autodesk interactive. the metal and see-through boarder (the two most obviously wrong ones) are autodesk and poi respectively

@quaint jasper

[quaint jasper]

Are you using height maps ?

And is the issue also visible when those meshes aren't baked ?

[dawn shadow]

The metal does use a heightmap, but nothing else does. The main boarder mat still is broke though

as for if the meshes aren't baked... are you referring to baking in the lighting?

here's the boarder mat messing up

compared to it in unity

[quaint jasper]

Yeah, i've seen this issue before, but never heard of the person fixing it

Have you tried with other shaders on these specific parts ?

[dawn shadow]

hmmm... dunno why i didn't, but no. let me see

changed all of them to standard. doesn't seem to help

[quaint jasper]

Mind showing the renderer component of the object ?

[quaint jasper]

ok, the object is scaled up by 20 in the object settings, i wonder if it's too much by unity's standards if it's then far from origin or something

Make sure it's only set to static for contribute to GI/reflection probe

[dawn shadow]

went into blender and increased it's size by 20 times there

as for the second question, mind elaborating? im a little lost

[quaint jasper]

You applied your transforms before exporting ?

You set the static flag in the top right corner, you can click the downward arrow to only select some of the sub static flags

[dawn shadow]

yup, everything is zeroed out and all the scales are one. everything is fully set to static too

[quaint jasper]

yeah, only keep GI and reflection probe

[dawn shadow]

?

[dawn shadow]

just these?

[quaint jasper]

yep

[dawn shadow]

nope, still broke. should i redo my baked in lighting?

also, dunno if it will help, but some small bits of the mesh do seem to have their uvs right

also tried seperating all the objects to see if less mats on each helped. it didn't

[quaint jasper]

Are there any difference between the materials that are fucked and those that aren't ?

[dawn shadow]

okay, so I'm now suspicious of the model. I imported it into another one of my worlds, pasted the same texture over it (a different basic wood texture and titled it) and it seems to be broken there too. If it would help in problem solving this, I don't mind posting the model or anything

this (unity):

[dawn shadow]

became this (other vrchat world):

[quaint jasper]

yeah the mesh seems fucky

[young vault]

I got one question, on the texture. What wrap mode is on?

[dawn shadow]

Found the issue! for some reason, my uv's were in the middle of nowhere. when I brought them back to the main area, it fixed it. Seems like it was something like a floating point accuracy error, as now that i think about it, it was points close together that were messing up

dunno why that only showed up in vrchat and not in unity though... perhaps some kinda optimization?

[quaint jasper]

There might be performance specific optimizations done at runtime yeah

[dawn shadow]

welp, now I know what not to do ^^. Thanks for the help!

[young vault]

"Out of bound" uvs are treated as repeats in blender and unity by default. (due to texture wrap mode in unity) The reason I asked the texture question is because you can change the wrapping behavior so that you clamp it to 0-1 in XY coordinates of the UV.

[dawn shadow]

given that I already was tiling the textures in the material itself, if it's wraping wasn't set to tile, most of the field would be a stretched mess even in unity. The weirdness was how it was different in vrchat compared to unity. Good to know stuff though

[young vault]

True

[obsidian jungle]

I want to add an image above a character in blender, how do I do that?

[spiral sigil]

@obsidian jungle dere

[obsidian jungle]

thank you! also how did you get that mouse displaying thing lol I seen it in youtube videos and it's very unique

[spiral sigil]

Screencast keys

its a addon you can dl on githuub for free

i think screencast keys missed when I applied scale with Control+A

and whenever I move something on an axis, I press x y or z respectively to lock it to the axis

z in blender is up and down, in unity its y

and when your scaling the UVs Y is up and down and X is left right

[obsidian jungle]

for some reason it wont scale down to a rectangle, its always a square lol

[spiral sigil]

The UVs or the plane itself

with ye avatar it is easy to make an atlas for this, you have a small img and empty space on the texture

[spiral sigil]

cuttingout the feather cuz quest doesnt support transparency or cutot

[obsidian nova]

New avi in progress

[obsidian jungle]

once i master that part, the characters faces really needs a fix

[languid fog]

without and with sub 1

@steady zealot

[merry cedar]

should the head be a separate object when i texture and rig??

[quaint jasper]

not necessarily

[merry cedar]

so its ok if the head and the body are attached?

does it make it any harder

[languid fog]

if you have yours seams right, it should be fine

[merry cedar]

You think these seams are ok?

[spiral sigil]

what the heck happened with the lighting here I have been stuck with this problem when I ported it to unity

[surreal flame]

Kind of looks like you imported a light source from your 3D editor too.

[spiral sigil]

so remove the light source from blender before or after porting the model to fix it?

[surreal flame]

When you export to FBX just select the objects you want to export (armature, meshes) and tick "Limit To Selected Objects". Or just delete the extras.

[spiral sigil]

thx I have been stuck with this issue for so long now

and it was such a simple fix

[timber goblet]

Find and install the CATS plugin for blender, it can help with that sort of stuff when exporting to Unity.

[surreal flame]

Personally I would advise about relying on CATS because it has a tendency to create problems inexperienced users can't fix and is actually kinda broken for current Blender versions.

If you follow guidelines for creating avatars you shouldn't even need it.

[spiral sigil]

100% agree

I run into alot of ppl who had fcked texture atlases because of it

[quaint jasper]

That horizontal seam around the leg is unecessary, rest seems good !

[merry cedar]

oh the lower horizontal line? I was gonna do underwear but its gonna be covered up by clothes so i guess i wont need it

[icy jungle]

I would have seams on the inner parts of the body, not outer. but its a good start

inner leg etc

[merry cedar]

ahh thats actually a good point

so they wont be so visible?

[foggy granite]

Won’t be as noticeable

So yes

[quaint jasper]

if you texture properly that shouldn't matter too much tbh

[spiral sigil]

thanks for the advice guys

[spiral sigil]

texturing only in photoshop less go

[spiral sigil]

nice thats an emission map right?

[languid fog]

yes sir

[stone viper]

soooo I am just getting started with making a custom avatar skin for this. Any hot tips? This is way more difficult than just uploading a blender file LOL

I have done it on IMVU but never VR Chat

[calm goblet]

looks up some general character art tutorials, grant abbitt has a good playlist for it

you're not just making skins for a pre-made thing with VRchat, you're making game assets now

[spiral sigil]

how do I make this not look like a dolphin and a brine shrimp at the same time i have been going about this wrong for the past some hours and the reference doesnt help

[stone viper]

Thanks for the input! Will do!

Wish me luck haha

[calm goblet]

you don't need luck, just some hard work

and some pain when you hit the retopology stage

retopo sucks

[quaint jasper]

make the entire shape first before trying to adjust

[spiral sigil]

alright

[stone viper]

how long does it take you to make one?

[calm goblet]

make one what?

avatar? prop? world? hairstyle? and what complexity and level of detail are we talking? what features?

[stone viper]

like a full figure with clothes on

[calm goblet]

depending on complexity? anything from 6hrs to a year

[calm goblet]

this is the kind of thing that takes about 6hr

this one was a few weeks, but it has some custom animations and a lot more detail

[tame sinew]

I’m having a problem when it comes to double sided polygons. I downloaded a file from sketchfab to have in my world. The problem is that in unity all of the polys inside the model are missing while the polys on the outside are fine. How do I make it so that both sides are rendered?

I’m not sure if it matters but I tried using backface culling but it just shows where the polys are missing.

[spiral sigil]

in edit mode select everything, and then duplicate. having the same duped geometry selected, do Alt+N and flip normals

will double the tri count tho

[devout scroll]

no

i mean, while it works it's probably gonna create unecessary geometry

[spiral sigil]

well we dont have any idea what the poly count is yet loll

but yea not the best way

[devout scroll]

select the faces you want to make double sided and solidify

with a small value

it will also give it a bit of thickness

[spiral sigil]

wouldn't the thickness create unessessary geometry?

[devout scroll]

compared to duplicate and flip normals yes, it would create a lip

but usually not much and may look better because things are generally not flat

but if you're doing something flat you can duplicate and flip, just don't do that to the whole mesh

[worthy rampart]

use a shader that supports to disable backface culling

[indigo stirrup]

What would be the best way to make the outfit not mirrored UV-wise? I'm not a huge fan of symmetry

I could extend out the atlas and have a second copy of the outfit tex on there, but I don't know how to do that without the UVs keeping their aspect ratio

[foggy granite]

you gonna have to rewrapped the uvs since the uvs are most likely overlapping then retexture the model judging by the texture

[languid fog]

Apply the mirror mod and select the other half, move the uv and done

Use some program that you can edit images, like photoshop and duplicate the texture

You will need to adjust the uv in blender ofc

[merry cedar]

how do you guys do hair? I tried it with the curves thing and then transformed into a mesh. Turns out my 1 hair thing is like 1000 triangles which is way too much...

[merry cedar]

Should i just start with a simple mesh and start working that up?

[foggy granite]

You can reduce the resolution of the curve so when covert it it’s not 1000 tris

[merry cedar]

Aa ok

[spiral sigil]

how do I import textures from blender to unity it is the last step at this point to import my avatar

[languid fog]

change the "Resolution Preview" to like 1 or 2

and the resolution to 2 or 3

[spiral sigil]

am assuming I asked a really stupid and basic question here

[spiral sigil]

if I didnt edit the textures I just use the same textures the model came with, else I export the ones I modified or had modified UV with individually

there probably is a better way but idk

I edited the textures I prolly need to find a decent tutorial

[languid fog]

save the images

and export the model with "Copy" in the "Path mode"

to save the textures just click on "image" and "save as"

[spiral sigil]

what does exporting the model w Copy in Path Mode do

huh that was oddly simple thank you

[devout scroll]

I would create a second uvmap and unwrap again or edit it however you need, then bake the old tex to a new tex using the new uv

[languid fog]

export the model with the textures in the fbx

[spiral sigil]

it didnt work for me when I tested it w a cube w some images as basecolors

assigned to different faces on a cube

[indigo stirrup]

I moved the UVs I wanted different onto an unused part of the atlas

[languid fog]

the textures were in the same folder?

[spiral sigil]

wym I just made the textures in blender

I didnt save them to a directory

oh so thats the problem?

[languid fog]

that's probably the easiest way, just edit the atlas on photoshop to match and thats it

[languid fog]

maybe

[spiral sigil]

let me try again

[indigo stirrup]

The model is already in VRChat

I'm long done

The bake method is tempting though

[languid fog]

ic

btw your pfp is so creepy wtf

[spiral sigil]

ones a doll ones looks like its from gacha life

same difference

[languid fog]

wdym

[spiral sigil]

idk how yall get the textures to come w the fbx

[indigo stirrup]

My last like 50 discord avatars have all been dolls

Check the CATS settings

[spiral sigil]

im not exporting w cats

just normal exp .fbx

[indigo stirrup]

I do know cats has a setting to pack textures

[spiral sigil]

i gave the block an mmd armature and automatic weight painted it to the single bone, exported via cats and stil the same

[languid fog]

ik what is happening

[indigo stirrup]

and you checked the embed textures box?

[languid fog]

the folder

at the right

you need to turn it on

[spiral sigil]

dont see the embed textures thing

oh cmon cats

it was path copy

let me try again

[languid fog]

lmao

[spiral sigil]

nope

[languid fog]

didnt work?

[spiral sigil]

oh ok in cats I didnt have embed textures on export

i try that now

[languid fog]

[spiral sigil]

nope still desnt work

[languid fog]

in unity you extracted the textures?

[spiral sigil]

i didnt extract no

o

well thanks lol i forgot about that button

[languid fog]

bruh

hahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGRC2qnYo6A&ab_channel=GameDevTraum

[spiral sigil]

oh there is a button next to path you nede to hit

thank

[languid fog]

.

...

np m8

[spiral sigil]

oh woops

[devout scroll]

it is a bit of a pain to setup manually but gives you good control

i use uvpackmaster to pack

you bake diffuse with no light settings and then if you have transparency you plug your texture alpha into emission and bake emissive to bake out an alpha channel

then combine

[molten hazel]

having a problem where the texture colors dont match up

[spiral sigil]

wym? like say on the atlas its green for section B, but blender in da viewport shows section B red?

smthing like that?

whenever that happens for me I just make a new material and remake the exact same settings n stuf, then select the assigned verticies for the old material and assign them to the new material, then delete old material

ive had issues with a texture in BC clearly being different than what it was thinking it was and that fixed it for me

[molten hazel]

alright ill try doing that thanks

[runic mesa]

Hello, have you ever thought about model your VRChat world in Unity?
With UModeler it'll be possible.
This is the UModeler demo video. If you are more interested in it, please visit the asset store page - https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/modeling/umodeler-model-your-world-80868
https://youtu.be/z14t9LW3doQ

[calm goblet]

what benefit does this have over a proper modelling and texturing package?

[hardy agate]

one less program to have in your workflow i guess. besides that i dont really get it.

like its cool to be able to just go straight to unity for world creation but also i would just rather start out in blender any day.

[devout scroll]

unity's ux is pretty bad compared to blender

[calm goblet]

less programs in your pipeline isn't a good thing when you don't have a program that does things better than your existing tools

removing zbrush, or 3d coat, or rizom from my workflow wouldn't save me time by removing a couple of export/import steps, it'd cost me time cause i'd then have to use blender for sculpting, UVs and texuring instead of those much more efficient tools

[merry cedar]

This is like 2k polys how can i make it way less?

i tried reducing the resolution but it isnt working. Probably changed the wrong one

[quaint jasper]

Are you looking at a hair tutorial ?