3d-modeling

[tough plover]

perhaps when you duplicated it you accidentally duplicated every vertex in the same mesh

[thorny ivy]

Maybe? If there's any differences, they're probably pretty minor but enough to make Blender freak.

Manually lined up the two parts, perfect copy in structure at least.

So zero idea what's going on, honestly.

Guess I'll just copy the original and try to align things as best as possible.

[mellow cloud]

can someone help me

i need help making my cloths attach to my body of my base

[thorny ivy]

You can copy weight-painting of the body to the clothes but they need to be relatively centered over the model first

[mellow cloud]

they are cinna

[thorny ivy]

Alright, then should be easy to transfer the weight-paiting.

[mellow cloud]

where do i get weight painting

[thorny ivy]

Is the model pre-made or are you making it from scratch?

[mellow cloud]

pre-made

[thorny ivy]

Alright, then follow this tutorial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_Vke__voU

[mellow cloud]

pre-made base

[thorny ivy]

It'll show you how to transfer weight from a rigged body to clothing even if it's from a different one.

[mellow cloud]

how do i goto paint

[thorny ivy]

Click on the body and in the upper-left corner of the interface window, there should be something that says "Object View". Click on that little box and go down to Weight Paint.

Unrelated, have no idea how to UV a saw and not liking anything Blender spits out for it.

Lots of small faces and edges.

[tough plover]

use Projected From View

may want to only have a single side selected at a time

with a seam around the edge of the blade

[thorny ivy]

Yeah, figured that'd be my best bet.

It's just a l o n g boi and trying to keep the UVs relatively same for dupe parts so might have to fiddle with the layout some.

[mellow cloud]

i still need to attach it

[spiral sigil]

why do the planes I make in blender cull on both sides but when imported into unity it only culls on one side?

or how do I make it so it culls on both sides in unity is a better question

[tough plover]

culling means to remove

culling the back faces means not rendering the back faces

if you want both sides of something to be rendered in unity/vrchat, you need to use a shader that gives you that option, like Poiyomi

setting Cull to "off" will do the trick

do keep in mind that people with custom shaders disabled will only see one side

so it may be best to simply duplicate the faces and flip the normals using Alt + N > Flip in edit mode

[spiral sigil]

I will have to do the method of the latter since I can't use custom shaders

Thank you

[tough plover]

may I recommend UVPackmaster2 to pack your UV's as densely as possible

[thorny ivy]

Oooh, does look pretty useful.

[thorny ivy]

What would you recommend for a mesh like this?

It's a saw-type design so there's 90-angles.

[tough plover]

I would put a seam down the very edge in the center

all the way around the blade

and split it in two halves

you could also do it another way

one sec

that way you would have each side + a long strip for everything in between

which you could then straighten out

[thorny ivy]

Might do a combo, see how that looks.

[thorny ivy]

Well, after a lot of fiddling, this is what I came up with.

The handle loops and pins have uniform UVs across all three models, meaning none of them have to be altered for the individual textures, while the larger knives share the same UV for their handles + blade caps.

That wasn't really necessary but figured it'd make things easier when it comes time to give them proper textures.

[tough plover]

@thorny ivy very nice 👌

[thorny ivy]

Thanks! I'm learning a lot through these mini-projects and I'm actually having fun doing them.

Speaking of, did a quick revisit of those shoes I shared a while back; slapped some shaders on, did some minor mesh tweaks, and added crease edges instead of using sharp ones.

Besides the shaders, decided to give the boot-shoes hybrid some proper rubber soles vs instead of just having them be metal like the toe cap.

Makes them much lighter and far more pratical to wear since metal isn't really known for its grip.

[winged jewel]

Redesigned hips.

[oblique gull]

Getting closer, guys! If theres any animaiton-Based Modelling Tips, feel free to DM it to me, im trying to honor the original character design from 2004

[oblique gull]

I am, thank you for wishing on me

[sand trout]

I was having too much fun with that chimp avatar in game, started wondering what other animals i could find. doesn't seem like there's many options, and I specifically wanted to be a raccoon-- so I've been modeling and texturing this lil dude!!

pulled the model into mixamo to see how he looks in motion, i'm happy so far with it! i'll keep yall posted

[quaint jasper]

You did a great job !

[hazy falcon]

The weapons animations and all are gonna be whack XD

[hazy falcon]

Nice one!

[sand trout]

Thanks y'all! Are there any good tutorials for getting the tail working once i've got it rigged? i assume i'll need to do some minor animations, but i'm not sure. i've never done an avatar for vr chat before

[vital rune]

Hello

I have a favor to ask

[hazy falcon]

I'm wondering how you did the little nudge thingy or whatever it's called near her mouth as her head isn't completely round... in 3D...

Must look weird from an angle XD

[vital rune]

Can someone make me a kon model for vrchat

[oblique gull]

What nudge?

@hazy falcon

The bottom half of her head being extended outward?

Thats to match her character sheet, front facing has no impact, but from the sides, it is extended outwards in depth

[vital rune]

Hello

[hazy falcon]

yeah that XD

[hazy falcon]

oooh cool!

Yeah, forgot characters in 2D are seen from the side most of the time, and that's for the better sometimes XD

[onyx juniper]

Like the Simpsons for example

I'm pretty sure that "nudge" is a highly stylized cheek.

[hazy falcon]

Yeah it is I think

[spiral sigil]

make an emote where he fights a baby and loop the incredibles theme on it 0-0

[sand trout]

i don't think i'm doing anything too wacky like that but whenever it's done i'm just gonna release it free so you can make that if you want it 🙂

[spiral sigil]

bet

[lapis pond]

so, I have an object that has three separate UV maps on the same item, the item is in three pieces and every time I try to join the items with ALT J, I still have the three UV maps attached to the item but it throws my textures all out of order. Is there a way to join the three UV maps into one?

[quaint jasper]

They need to have the same name

[lapis pond]

thank you soooo much

[quaint jasper]

You're welcome !

[hollow siren]

Hello. I tried to follow some blender avatar creation tutorials on youtube, but I got stuck and not a single one helped me to resolve my specific issue so far. Of course, I can ask someone to help me, but I got a feeling I will get stuck many times in the future.
Can you please recommend me a good course for character modeling and rigging in blender? So I will get stuck much less afterwards. It doesn't have to be related to vrchat.

[foggy granite]

Looking good so far what's the poly count

[merry vault]

Is anyone here familiar with 3DS Max rigging/animation? I'm unable to extend bones beyond their original resting length and it's holding back progress on something I'm working on.

[hollow ermine]

Been working on this guy since morning

[quaint jasper]

Damn, dope design

[azure rain]

cool

[hollow ermine]

He's supposed to have a messenger bag, but that's a lot of potentially frustrating hours I can foresee

[quaint jasper]

If you manage to weight paint it all to the hip and the strap to the rest, that should hopefully not be too bad

[hollow ermine]

Now there's a thought. Alrighty, I'll give it a shot later

[azure rain]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/53226884 Weight Painting and Weight Transfer tips

[quaint jasper]

https://bartoszstyperek.gumroad.com/l/weight_paint_tools

This is also the best weight paint addon

The project weight feature makes stuff like this seamless

[sand trout]

finding good tutorials for vrchat is such a crapshoot, i think i like the chaotic energy of this one though https://youtu.be/p0QCDc7vqA8

[hollow ermine]

Later, I'll make his signals light up

[quaint jasper]

Keeping it flat shaded for now ?

[hollow ermine]

Yeah, I was just gonna use the stock toon shader.

[quaint jasper]

Ah not that kinda of shading, blender has smooth and flat shading

for the normals

[hollow ermine]

Ah- I forgot about that. It has been an all-day project.

Let me look at the smooth

Looks weird, to be honest.

Smooth, for sure

On the other hand, seeing every polgyon caaaan get unfun to look at

[spiral sigil]

Is anyone here for hire for sculpting an Avatar using blender custom made for my use that can put bones and face expressions for vrchat use

[tough plover]

@hollow ermine you can mark edges as sharp while still having the shading set to smooth

[thorny ivy]

Although not perfect, you can go select -> select sharp edges and Blender will high-light them for you.

Recommend adjusting them accordingly from there but can be a real time-saver as a whole.

[zinc jolt]

guys, I need help please

everytime I go into auto smooth, the shading appears flat

what should I do

any ideas?

[zinc jolt]

wait, nvm

turns out it was faces that have been overlaying everything

[white moth]

You can do both, you can have smooth shading and choose which lines to have a flat edge. Usually on where you want a crease to be noticeable

[zinc jolt]

meaning there's another set of faces on top of the original mesh which for some reason are on the model

[edgy fog]

Play around with this number, mate.

[zinc jolt]

I figured it out already

[edgy fog]

Oh I didn't notice your messages underneath!

Glad you're good! : )

[spiral sigil]

Almost done , just gotta do the neck.

and Yes i am the one working on this model. I gave Anomitra10 permit to post Atlas W.I.P images here. Lmao

[tough plover]

that's very cool, nice work

[twin mortar]

Hey, is there any tool in blender that functions like fill in texture paint, but only for the singular polygon that I click on? for example, I only want to click the individual squares in the center part with yellow so I can get a good straight line along the models pants so its like a lining

so paint bucket fill only singular faces

[tough plover]

for texturing I highly recommend using Substance

free if you grab a student license

but if for some reason you want to stick to blender, you could just make a new material to assign to those specific polygons

then bake everything into one texture at the end

[tough plover]

@gritty zinc scroll up lol

[gritty zinc]

yes

i resent pics

lmao

ok need to go prep for class :/

school sucks

[twin mortar]

@tough plover I have substance, i just figured it would be something included so I figured i'd ask

[tough plover]

I feel like it may be possible but I have 0 idea

[twin mortar]

I don't actually know how to use substance though :'}

[tough plover]

@twin mortar figured it out in blender though

do that in the right side of the Texture paint workspace

[twin mortar]

alright

[twin mortar]

is there a way to do it in the image editor?

@tough plover

[tough plover]

you have to be in Texture paint mode

you can just switch to the Texture paint workspace

[twin mortar]

I just manually create the layout, though its the same thing.

like so

I want to be able to apply the paint mask in the image editor if possible

@tough plover

[tough plover]

enable the face masking

switch to edit mode in the left panel

select the faces you want to edit

then switch back to Texture paint mode

[twin mortar]

No i understand how you are describing it, just the jacket and pants are a part of the same material, so it makes it difficult to actually select the faces

regardless, I figured it out

thanks though @tough plover , big help

[tough plover]

np

still recommend going the Substance route for texturing needs lol

[quaint jasper]

Blender texture painting is kinda neat tbh

Just wish it'd adapt to UV changes better

[tardy rapids]

Pushing off my procrastination to get started on these arms

[foggy granite]

neet

[tardy rapids]

Got more of a metallic brass texture going

[tardy rapids]

Added detailing to the upper arm

[foggy granite]

looking good so far

but you should download quixer mixer to make the texture a bit more complex for the arms

[gloomy moat]

I've made a piece of clothing for an avatar and I want to send it to my friend who has the same avatar. I've seen that most of the time when you download or buy avatar clothing for a specific base it comes with only the clothes and part of the armature for you to merge.
How do I do this? I guess just delete the body and unneeded bones?

[tardy rapids]

Just doing the modeling right now. Textures come later

[tough plover]

if it was made for the same model, then the process is very simple

1 - import clothes into main project
2 - delete armature that came with clothes
3 - parent clothes to main armature (hold shift and drag the clothes mesh to the armature in the hierarchy)
4 - click on clothes mesh, go to Modifiers tab, and select the main armature under Object

then test it out using Pose mode

as for how to prevent clipping with the body if it happens, simply make a new shape key on the body to shrink the parts that are clipping

[gloomy moat]

I made the clothing and want to set it up so I can send him just the clothing with an armature which he can merge. Because it's the same body, I can just use the existing armature, right? Maybe remove the legs and head from it because they're not used in the weight painting

@tough plover

[tough plover]

@gloomy moat vertex groups is what stores vertex weights. those are on the mesh, not the armature

you don't even need to include the armature

the reason why a mesh is able to follow bones at all is because of 3 things

1: mesh is parented to armature

[gloomy moat]

Ah ok. The clothing is weighted so I can just delete the armature, body and everything and send him just the clothing and, because his armature bones are named the same, it should just work?

[tough plover]

2: mesh has armature modifier on it unapplied

3: vertex group names match bone namew

since it's the same base model for you and your friend, the group names will match

the only reason you would need to include an armature would be if the clothes have extra bones for dynamics or if you plan on using it on other bases

[gloomy moat]

Thanks a ton!

[ocean hatch]

hi could anyone give me tips to not have a short skirt clip throught my legs i tried to put many colliders but the skin still pass
on unity

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QYhC0eKbqAOJnl37gzH5oWcfqV3rZIGdqo7nFB1SAmY/https/puu.sh/HUjjd/15953c3fc9.png

[tough plover]

have the skirt properly weight painted to the legs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SimRLR_lRcA

[ocean hatch]

im rly not used to blender but ill look for it

[still wadi]

no matter how many colliders you put there if the weight painting is done incorectly nothing will help

it's not about colliders but rather what the bone does there

[tardy rapids]

Additional detailing, material colorization changes, starting the hands

[tardy rapids]

Redoing the hand connector. Going well

[uneven canyon]

question? for those of you who rig the models is there any recommendations for videos to watch for facial rigging?

[tough plover]

the only bones you need in the face are the eyes

rest is done using blendshapes

called Shape keys in blender

[uneven canyon]

I want to fully rig it for a wide range of emotions

[worldly tangle]

VRC-QBZ-95, part of my 5th avatar project (529 vertices)

Edit: Version 002 of QBZ 95 has less vertices, bringing the vertices count down to 463 (removed 66 redundant vertices)

(Low-Poly but, effective)

[spiral sigil]

looks great i cant manage to make a simple 1950's juke box

[quaint jasper]

Did you model any of it ? If not you might want to pose in #avatar-showcase instead

[pallid gust]

ah

[radiant ridge]

Hey I’m trying to make a ring. And I’m not sure how to give it two separate materials one for metal. One for the Gem. Can anyone help?

Picture is just to show what the ring I’m making looks like.

[tough plover]

you can use one material

that's what metallic maps are for

for specifying which parts are metallic and which aren't

[radiant ridge]

I was wanting to add the metal and transparency to the ring in unity after I imported. But when I did. It just becomes one pieces.

[tough plover]

you could use an alpha map to tell the shader which parts are transparent and which are not

[radiant ridge]

Like I wanna be able to texture them individual though

[tough plover]

you can do that yes

that's what UV mapping is for

[quaint jasper]

You don't need to though

Like sacred mentioned, there's masks for all those things

[tough plover]

do you have Substance painter?

if so, this is dead easy

you can add an Opacity channel to make some parts transparent

for example, these fishnets

[radiant ridge]

I’m pretty new to blender so most my experience with the 3D modeling department has been fairly limited

[tough plover]

you're doing a good job so far

but there is still stuff to learn :p

[radiant ridge]

Sorry if I’m confusing.

[manic comet]

do you know where i can request avatars

[tough plover]

if you're trying to find an existing avatar, #avatar-search-old

if you're trying to commission an avatar, VRC Traders in #community-servers-old

[radiant ridge]

like how do i do this the goggles are all one object. but i can select certain parts like "Sub-Objects"

[tardy rapids]

How far we've come

[tough plover]

those are just separate meshes

you should really combine all of those

[radiant ridge]

I downloaded it and it came like that

[tardy rapids]

Then whoever made the avatar needs to be sit down and have it carefully explained to them what optimization is

[quaint jasper]

Anime

[azure rain]

you can have an Anime Avatar and still be optimized

[radiant ridge]

the avatar is mine. the goggles are an object on there own

[quaint jasper]

Yeah, but the vast majority of the stuff that people get from random websites is usually trash fire

[azure rain]

of course just noting the art style doesn't prevent optimized more everybody rating mmds closet without permission causing trouble

or people doing Marvelous Designer without retopology

[quaint jasper]

The style is a good indicator

If you want things done well, do them yourself

[tough plover]

^^

very true

[azure rain]

yeah you're less likely to bump into a completely dumpster fire furry avatar as they're all modeled for vrchat not a non real-time rendering app

and also less likely to have Dynamic Bones on individual hair strands

or poorly done Dynamic bones skirt

[obsidian nova]

I mean, I’ve found some absolutely stunning re-topo’ed MMD bases on Deviant Art. It’s not even that difficult. I think a lot of people just don’t know what to look for; or don’t care.

[azure rain]

that would require the person's be literate enough in 3d modeling to know what a good one looks like to download

[obsidian nova]

100%

[azure rain]

even I would probably would just take a look at the vrchat content ranking system to get a ballpark idea of what's too much

and honestly if you're looking for like anime stuff that's not going to be dumpster fire performance looking around booth. P.m. is probably a better idea as that stuff is actually modeled for vrchat

and doesn't involve so much flagrant disregard for terms of service

[tardy rapids]

Speaking of anime styled avatars being unoptimized

[azure rain]

finish the rest of your train of thought

[tardy rapids]

Currently at 92k tris

It's not looking good

[quaint jasper]

Why is it 92k

[azure rain]

show us the wire frame

[tardy rapids]

Mainly because of a subdiv I applied far too hastily

[quaint jasper]

can already tell your body has a ton of unnecessary loops

[azure rain]

yes don't apply subdivide modifier

[quaint jasper]

You can unsubdivide

[azure rain]

and if your face looks like a completely solid color in the wireframe you have too much

[tardy rapids]

Only 5k tris for the entire torso

at least, base torso

[azure rain]

you probably could have the boobs just look as good with like half the loops

[tough plover]

^

[azure rain]

like even with jiggle bones that's not going to deform enough to make that necessary the amount of loops

[tardy rapids]

Thing is, if I did that I'd need to 1: redo the UVs, and two, it would be like, a 2k difference at best

[azure rain]

you can dissolve Edge Loop without destroying the uvs

2k for both boobs or for each

[tardy rapids]

both

[azure rain]

still a lot for a pair of boobs but I guess it must be elsewhere the lots of triangles are hiding

[tardy rapids]

Okay wow so

I dissolved and

it was only like

600 tris

correction, 900

vs the original

[azure rain]

and I cannot tell the difference between them in the silhouette so yeah those were unnecessary

[foggy granite]

What’s the total poly of the hair

[tardy rapids]

20k tris because of course it is

hair's stupid

[azure rain]

yeah that's an entire Avatar in your hair

[quaint jasper]

lots of loops that can be dissolved here too

[azure rain]

especially on the top where it looks like a solid Mass

[tardy rapids]

To be fair

I haven't changed it from path to mesh yet

So I'll have the chance to mess with them later

[quaint jasper]

You can reduce path resolution no ?

[azure rain]

that'll be easy to change the settings

something that might be handy is looking at your avatar every once in awhile at like the distance you would be in during a average conversation to check for Loops that aren't doing anything

like with the boobs earlier you're likely to hit the Avatar clipping before you would even notice the difference between the two

[tardy rapids]

Path resolution, yeah, but lowering it any further makes it visibly blocky

which is why I'm gonna do that manually

and yeah, I'll check for loops that aren't needed

[tardy rapids]

Okay, last update of the night. Progress on the hand, and some pieces I made that I haven't added to the mesh yet

[foggy granite]

thats a good bit of progress

[still wadi]

still tracing ?

[tardy rapids]

Nope. For the very, very basic shape that the 10 polygon hands gave me, sure, but aside from the EXTREMELY basic shape, most of it has been judged by eye based off of a statue of the character

The original model was super outdated in comparison to current designs anyways, there's a lot I've needed to eyeball

[tardy rapids]

For reference, this is what I'm working with

https://twitter.com/Kamanira/status/1412908787678253060?s=19

Kamanira - Commissions CLOSED (@Kamanira)

Been a while since the last update, huh? Well, here's one. Boom.

Passionlip's arms have been both frustrating as hell to model thanks to the lack of a good reference, but also fun as hell. Bless you, Passionlip statues on Google images, your reference value has been top tier.

Twitter · Jul 7, 2021, 10:58 PM

(Slightly outdated wip in this tweet)

But yeah, outside of the extremely basic shape

All the detailing is done without using the original model

[tardy rapids]

Super late saying this, but yeah, this is what masks and uvs are for

Metalness, specular, roughness, alpha, all those masks are used to make one material have a number of different properties

[white moth]

Not path resolution. The circle one.

Too many points around the circle

[wanton umbra]

is there a way to do the same thing as the boolean modifier in blender, ( to carve out a chunk of a mesh) but to turn that into a shapekey action instead

[white moth]

I don’t think that could be automated, Shapekeys can’t change the topology, they can only move it around. I’m assuming taking a chunk out of the model as a bunch of new verts that would somehow need to be mapped onto the original thing that doesn’t have a dent/hole in it. It’s not really a 1:1 thing, the UV has changed

I mean if what you’re doing is really simple or the object isn’t UV textured then yeah sure. But it couldn’t work in the general case

[wanton umbra]

well i mean "move it around" is fine, so long as the end result is the same, the object looking like a chunk was taken out of it.

guess ill just try sculpt tools and see what i can get going

[white moth]

The thing is when you move verts around you’re stretching the textures, so there’s no real way to move the verts around to look like the original undeformed thing, if it’s textured

Because when you Booleancut some thing you’re actually removing part of the image

You don’t get that back by moving verts around

[tough plover]

@wanton umbra if two objects share the same vertex count, you can use the "Join as shape" option

to join one mesh into another as a shape key

you could try cutting a hole in a copy of the mesh, and then adding cuts into the main one to keep the vertex count the same

[tardy rapids]

Overly complicated finger joint is overly complicated

By the way, before someone comments on the poly count for a finger joint

keep in mind

these things are nearly the same size as the head

bigger, even

Will optimizations be made? Yes

but the poly count will be BRUTAL on these fingers

[azure rain]

thanks for the clarification so you're probably not in danger of sub-pixel triangles

[tardy rapids]

This is how it looks on the hand

[quaint jasper]

That's a low poly version of it right ?

The further from the head an object is, the likelier it is that it doesn't need to be high res

[azure rain]

forward the finger versions you would probably want to make have less Edge loops for the circles

https://i.gyazo.com/662e76b290e51bd1c4d24933fb26ae6c.png

some spots where you can probably reduce Loop

[tardy rapids]

low poly dupe

[azure rain]

https://i.gyazo.com/2223e4ab21ce77f0da07196d042001b6.png

[tardy rapids]

These red lines are attached to the flaring part on the bottom

It'd just become a jagged mess down there

[azure rain]

from you screenshots I can't see the point where they connect so it probably won't be noticeable?

as that just a funny cylinder

[tardy rapids]

Cylinder's a separate object

[tardy rapids]

All that work for a single joint to cause me that much trouble

[thorny ivy]

Okay, now show it being duplicated.

[craggy lintel]

Hello guys, im an intermediate blender user and I just keep having issues with mirroring.. how does one force the .L (or.R) vertex groups to be on the mirrored mesh?

Meaning

which is best deform option?? For some reason no matter how many times and diff options I try, it just doesnt work.. I've done this so many times in the past and figure it out without a clear solution.

I hate asking questions because usually my level is alot higher than ppl expect based on my questions.. its like being a black diamond skiier with an issue putting on boots

[tardy rapids]

Fixing some stuff, then I'll get on that. Mostly related to UVs

[tardy rapids]

The mirror modifier. As you weight paint it will automatically mirror the weight to the bone of the same name with the opposite prefix on the other side of the mesh

[devout scroll]

I think I've seen issues with this where you needed to create the mirrored vgroups yourself in order for them to copy data into them

I'm not sure if it's entirely that but it's worth a try

when using mirrors and stuff

[compact dock]

how the flip do you make a cylinder???

[hardy agate]

Shift+a, cylinder

[spiral sigil]

ugh. does anyone know how to put a vrm into blender?

or just

turn a vrm into an fbx

[craggy lintel]

Plug in

[foggy granite]

https://github.com/saturday06/VRM_Addon_for_Blender here

[white moth]

It’s actually far more strict than that. They must have the same topology meaning same vert count and identical edge connection layout, but also the vert order of both must be consistent; otherwise it will say that topology doesn’t match anyway, as it checks the wrong verts/edges with each other.

Little things like being triangulated separately and having quad diagonals split differently between the two versions will prevent join as shape from working, even if the vert order is consistent, which it really is.

[spiral sigil]

Is there anyway to export models as FBXs with materials that let you change settings like the shader when its in unity instead of being just greyed out until you drag another texture on it? Asking in 3d modelling since its probably a setting in blender on export

[white moth]

I’m pretty sure you’re describing a unity prefab

But no an FBX alone can’t do it. Unity meta-data can’t be saved into a FBX file

[spiral sigil]

Alright thanks yeah I guess I was describing that lol

[silent musk]

I'm having a lot of trouble with the 3D modeling phase of making an avatar... Any recommendations for where to go to learn how to model characters?

[white moth]

Skillshare and Udemy both have excellent character creation video courses. They’re both paid though. But that’s how I got into it

[clear geyser]

Change your Location to "Use external materials (legacy)" and it'll un-grey everything

[foggy granite]

frist of do you have a proper modeling sheet because that help the process out alot they a lot of different YouTube creators you can use to help you i also recommend downloading some free character base mesh and study on how the faces flow and are connect

[spiral sigil]

perfect thank you

[silent musk]

Modeling sheet?

[foggy granite]

basicly where you can cleanly see detail of the character with both front and silde view

this a good example of one

[silent musk]

No I was using one for a different project and for this project I'd have to make one

[foggy granite]

alright

thats good

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2EEbgwoJzdt5kFVDyY2lliNqf7cWJeD3 this a pretty popular playlist you can use

[silent musk]

I've seen it in search results before. Maybe I'll give that a try.

[foggy granite]

okay i hope it can help

[merry vault]

<@&397642795457970181>

[white moth]

That looks so broken on mobile

[ashen stag]

Why would the bot pick #3d-modeling instead of a more popular channel lmao

[white moth]

Random. Or had the longest gap between messages

Meaning it will last the longest

[dapper cobalt]

dang....you can download nitro now? lol

[mellow violet]

how do I select vertices in UV mode?

like I have all my vertices selected, but I'm trying to select the vertices in a particular part of my atlas

[quaint jasper]

You switch to vertex selection in the UV window

[mellow violet]

(how do I do that?)

[mellow violet]

I have done it

I was on that mode already, but I turned on Sync Selection

good riddance, shape keys

thank you

for you, Ruuubick

[quaint jasper]

[tardy rapids]

Massif

[radiant ridge]

anyone have advice on how i combine the Vertex's? to me it looks really unnecessary to have so many

[quaint jasper]

You can dissolve horizontal loops on the round parts like the tubes and circles you have

[radiant ridge]

do you have a youtube vid you could link? maybe? i think id understand that better if i knew what i was looking at

[foggy granite]

its a simple as select all of the edges you want gone and click x and look for dissolve edge

for merge you can click on 2 or more vertex the click m and click on one of ther methods

[radiant ridge]

Ok so I think I figured out another way to do it. On flat surfaces I didn’t know this. But i was able to delete edges. So instead of two long triangles making one rectangle. It’s not just one rectangle

[thorny ivy]

Is that a robot/mecha weapon? Doesn't look like something that could be conventionally carried.

[radiant ridge]

Sorta. I thought about it like a weapon that hovers above the shoulder of its user. Like how they use the gravity defying weapons in Hundred or Infinite stratos. One of my favorite anime.

[tight quartz]

Im getting this whenever I am trying to import a PMX file.

[radiant ridge]

Dissolving a ton of the unnecessary edges really helps. itll be way easier to texture this thing soon. ....I Hope.

cause even as it is. the uv map is a nightmare to look at.

[ember scaffold]

Hey, does anyone here know how to make blush that I can toggle for VRChat? I made a seperate blush objects that hover above the face, but I don't really know how to fade it out to be transparent with the Blender nodes properly. I was hoping maybe I could make it with an image texture then fade that, but I haven't gotten that far yet. I feel like I almost have it, but my knowledge of Blender and Unity are so limited. No clue if I'm doing this right?

This is the furthest I've gotten. Also do texture keyframe animations transfer over to Unity? I haven't tried that strategy cause I feel like they won't. I hope this is the right channel for this.

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge you definitely want to re-unwrap that

add as many seams as you need

@ember scaffold you would typically just have it on a texture with a transparent background

materials do not carry over to unity

so if you can bake it to a texture, you're good

[radiant ridge]

how do i Re-unwrap it?

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge you should probably watch some videos on how to UV unwrap stuff

the gist of it is that you add seams in key places so that you can cut up the model into different UV islands

[ember scaffold]

And how would I do this? I've tried just having textures with transparent backgrounds in the past, but blender would just turn the backgrounds black, if I'm remembering correctly. I've taken a break for quite a while on this model.

[tough plover]

@ember scaffold it really doesnt matter how it looks in Blender, none of that carries over to Unity

in blender, you need to reduce the Alpha and set the material setting to Alpha blend

in unity, just use a shader like Poiyomi and set it to Transparent

or Fade

[ember scaffold]

oh hmm

I was also hoping to use this model for animation or other things... is there a way I can make it work in both blender and unity though?

oh wait... nevermind, you may have just explained that and I'm being dumb. Okay, I'll try what you say. Could maybe describe more of how I'd do the alpha blend thing? I'm not sure if that would have it more opague in the middle and fade out.

[celest glade]

Um, I have this happening to my model in blender after I separated the materials with cats, how do I get it to go back to the way it was?

I clicked to join meshes and it still did this

[tardy rapids]

Got my model down from 108k tris to 98k tris

not gonna get any lower than that, sadly

[thorny ivy]

You need to unwrap it again + use seams to mark areas.

[tardy rapids]

Without sharps:

With sharps

[hollow ermine]

Re-topo will be fun

[dusky dirge]

Prototyping some ideas, should be pretty cool if they actually work.

[unborn acorn]

you gotta merge the vertices too, just select the body and merge by distance

[worldly tangle]

Burgundy purple FMP-9 [Folded-Machine-Pistol] (part of my 6th project)

722 verts (with solidify)

[spiral sigil]

is there a way to set origin to geometry in unity or something that does something similar?

annoying when the move thingy is not at all where its supposed to be

[tough plover]

@spiral sigil you could just do it in blender

otherwise, just create an empty object and put your object as a child of it

then move the object in question

[tough plover]

@spiral sigil also, mess with these to control where the transform gizmo is

top left of unity

[spiral sigil]

pivot is much more accurate yeah

[foggy granite]

Are you gonna make the bullets and also mag a separate object so you can reload it

[worldly tangle]

Eh, I didn't do any of that, and I made the FMP-9 one single object for the sake of performance

I did the same thing for the QBZ-95 for the same reason

[carmine bloom]

does anyone here know how to grab that one white axis on the bust and delete it in unity, I want it gone, and i cannot find it in the heigharchy

[thorny ivy]

Since reg avatar chat doesn't seem to be of any real help, ya'll have experience with emissions/glowing textures?

Want the inside of my custom ava's mouth to glow like this https://wbdsculpture.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/inside-the-forge.jpg

The mouth itself more warm-red while the tongue is almost molten in color.

[atomic hamlet]

Dang, that's a lotta detail for such a low-vert mesh.

[tough plover]

@thorny ivy that is the dynamic bone for the boob. all of those yellow spheres are dynamic bone colliders

if you're deleting the dynamic bones, you should also delete the colliders

[thorny ivy]

Wrong person. :b

[tough plover]

ah sorry, am on phone

@carmine bloom

[carmine bloom]

Thing is I can't find the bone in the heigharchy, it's like, literally not there

[tough plover]

@carmine bloom the script doesn't have to be on the actual bone

it can be anywhere

[carmine bloom]

Okay, I'm gonna be home soon, do you mind keeping in touch and showing me? I literally started doing this yesterday

@tough plover

[tough plover]

I'm at work, can't do that lol

[carmine bloom]

Fair

[tough plover]

@carmine bloom use the SDK window

there is a Select button where it says dynamic bones

make sure to have "show all avatar performance stats" enabled under the SDK settings tab

[carmine bloom]

Okay I'll be home soon and I'll post updates

[copper parcel]

Anyone here use substance painter? My symmetry refuses to work.

[carmine bloom]

@tough plover are you still on? im home and have it open

[tough plover]

@carmine bloom at work still

[untold arrow]

so this is kinda my first time i been watching tutorials on how to add vrm models to vrchat and tbh i am kinda new to this

[copper parcel]

So, I tried joining two armatures, one of the models associated with one of the armature kinda turned huge, any reason for that?

[tough plover]

@copper parcel you didn't apply all transforms before you did that

Ctrl a > all transforms

[lament pond]

You should un-parent it first

Otherwise when it's separate from the other armature it could still try to change scale.

[copper parcel]

This is my first time messing with blender, so I'm still figuring this stuff out really.

I've messed with it before, but only when it comes to posing pre-made models for store art x.x

[lament pond]

Select the mesh and do alt-p, clear and keep transformation, then ctrl-a to the scale

[copper parcel]

That worked out, thank you.

Also, assuming anyone here works with Substance Painter, does symmetry not working have to do with UV maps?

[tough plover]

@copper parcel should not

[lament pond]

Wip

[copper parcel]

Hmm... ;'cause I can't figure it out at all. It works on another model just fine, but for some reason it just refuses to work properly on a new one.

[tough plover]

@copper parcel are you drawing on the UV or the model

[copper parcel]

I've tried both.

[tough plover]

also make sure that the wrap mode is set to Tangent wrap or planar wrap

[copper parcel]

Yup, tried that too.

Still no dice.

[tough plover]

check to make sure the correct axis of symmetry is enable

enabled

[copper parcel]

Yup, x-axis

[tough plover]

and that your model is oriented the correct way

Y forward

Z up

check in blender

[copper parcel]

It is.

It doesn't even show the symmetry cursor

[tardy rapids]

rigged

[thorny ivy]

Just like The Game ™️ was from the start.

[copper parcel]

Got the symmetry issue fixed. Apparently the program was just being dumb and needed me to re-open it. :v

Take out the plug and plug it back in fix kek

[thorny ivy]

Noice

As part of my avatar mock-up, finagled a pair of horns into something that at least partially resembles a trio of trees merging together.

Original textures are unchanged but passable for the time-being.

[onyx juniper]

You are a master.

furthermore, you have chosen the perfect subject

[hollow ermine]

Yes.

[vital drift]

giving me Gold Joe vibes :0

[copper parcel]

Does anyone know why this might be happening to my armature? Anything that might end up breaking if I keep going?

For some reason the icon has turned into a lock of hair that is a completely separate model, and I have no clue as to why.

[lime vector]

How do you separate materials individually with the cats plugin? For some reason I can't have them all separate, and instead it makes me click on 2 materials before saving as an atlas. It gives me this message error.

[sacred field]

anyone ever have a weird issue where you cant select the mesh in edit mode?

[devout scroll]

Try unhiding everything with alt+H, there was some issue with an older version of blender that kinda hid stuff without actually hiding it..

[zinc jolt]

okay so good news guys, Freddy's going to be at least 50 to 70k polygons for his release next month

is that appropriate for you guys?

[mellow prairie]

How do I flip the texture without moving the mesh? Forgot how to do it lol

[devout scroll]

flip normals

alt+N

[thorny ivy]

Any advice for making the left horn's texture (tree) look less-faded compared to the original (scales)?

[spiral sigil]

hmm i guess open the texture in an image-editing software and play around with contrast and brightness until it looks more like what you want

[copper parcel]

I put some armor on an avatar and when I tested it in vrc, the armor was very... bendy. It kept contorting along with my arms and such. Is there a reason for this?

[devout scroll]

That means 2 or more bones have 100% influence on your mesh

So it does a weird mix between them and averages them

[copper parcel]

So am I supposed to parent each piece to a specific bone or something?

[devout scroll]

Yeah

[copper parcel]

Ahhh okay, that

That makes sense.

I only started this stuff yesterday, I figured that's what the issue was but I wanted to be sure.

And just so I remember... first object selected is the parent, second object is the child?

I always forget that bit, my brain is clumsy.

[tough plover]

@copper parcel typically armor plating is made of metal, and should not be bendy. weight painting wise, that means that pieces should be uniformly weighed to specifc bones

without gradients or anything

[copper parcel]

Yeah, this is my first time using Blender to actually make an avatar rather than importing a premade one to unity. So I'm figuring a lot of this out through trial and error

[craggy lintel]

You know whats sad?

LIKE

really sad

the amount of users here who dont understand that their knowledge goes WAY outside of VRC if youre a fluent blender user

rn im using my knowledge in the field and like im way ahead

[thorny ivy]

The thing is, the original texture + model doesn't seem to have this issue. Think it might be my inexperience with nodes + materials as a whole in Blender.

[copper parcel]

Well yeah, I've used Blender before, but only when it came to posing pre-made models I made for store art in an online game XD

Even that small amount of experience helped a lot when it came to me working on this model in particular.

[thorny ivy]

I added in the normal maps + played around with the settings some, this is what the results look like

Not as dark but at least they don't look faded anymore.

[craggy lintel]

It's funny because I bet over half the users in here who know how to model dont know that they could get a job doing it

@copper parcel

[copper parcel]

XD

[tough plover]

@craggy lintel I've thought about that yea

but not exactly sure what to look for lol

[copper parcel]

Also another question, I bound a piece of armor to a bone but now it's even more bendy. I saw something mentioning gradients, where do I find this so I can see if that's the issue?

[tough plover]

are you in Weight painting mode?

[copper parcel]

I don't even know what that is so I wouldn't know lol

I'm in pose mode

[tough plover]

Weight painting is how you determine which parts of the mesh move with which bone

[copper parcel]

Alright, how do I go into this mode then?

[tough plover]

you should probably look up some tutorials about weight painting lol

[spiral sigil]

could be, you can try changing the material properties :3 maybe remove the BSDF node and just put the texture into the output directly, like so:

that gives you the most accurate look of just the texture itself with no shaders or other maps applied

[tardy rapids]

I WANT to make a job of it tbh

[spiral sigil]

i work freelance rigging 3D models, but when it comes to modelling i need to have inspiration to do it or i won't finish it xD that's why i prefer to model what i like instead of modelling for someone else

[craggy lintel]

try to look into the film field, largest corporation for this 👍

Sacred and Nini, The film field is the largest industry for anything animation, 3d, etc

Film is much larger than gaming

Because just almost literally every human right now sees images and videos from this industry lol

[spiral sigil]

oh yea i know, but i dont want to work in that field for the same reasons, unless its something i have personal interest in i cant see myself modelling for someone else, and if i want to do it this way the closest thing would be working as an independent contractor or freelancer on specific commissions or projects

[craggy lintel]

Contracting is probably best

I was seeing how many things were animated using blender

And then I see the breakdowns and i understand all of and I can do all of it so it’s sorta eye opening

I work film and media- not much 3D other than as a big hobby- so I may actually add this into my professions

@tough plover but yea Sacred try looking into film industry

[tough plover]

will do

[spiral sigil]

yea i feel like contracting would work best too~ tho for now i still have a lot to learn before i can actually do this as my career, but that is the ultimate goal if possible :3

[tough plover]

if you have any links in particular that'd be cool

[craggy lintel]

Hmm I mean, what do you specialize in?

So using keyframe knowledge rn i am doing something for a real estate company for example

Like little parts of what you do everyday go a long way, it's almost like the process from poly modeling to final rendering, each step to making an avi can actually turn into it's own job- LOL forget going to school for this

vrc avi creation = School itself

Idk i just wanted to share my opinion because I feel like it's a shame for people 'wanting to look cool/better in game' missing out on their own opportunities

[spiral sigil]

rn i specialise in game-optimised modelling, especially compatibility for games and stuff, which is why making avatars for vrchat is pretty helpful since it uses unity

[spiral sigil]

oh yea i know, i guess the part thats the most fun to me is modelling itself, so creating mesh, and rigging, im not so fond of the texturing and rendering parts xD but thats cause of how im learning it, i first learned how to make really optimised mesh, then learned how to rig and also create more complex animation rigs and now i'm focusing on textures and i guess materials overall

[copper parcel]

Figured out weight painting, looks like the armor is no longer bendy. Thanks :)

[spiral sigil]

i started my journey into 3D modelling by learning 3D animation first, i like the aspect of making models come to life, it gives them personality and character

[craggy lintel]

Oh awesome :3

I mean I’m just about the same

Except I like texturing the most lol

I do stuff like this lol

[spiral sigil]

aww :3 may i ask what you use for texturing or how your process for it is? blender texturing does seem a bit limited xD

[craggy lintel]

Dang discord marking stuff as nsfw -.-

I use substance

My process is a secret because I have a method of texturing that is very revolutionary and I’m not ready to give it out just yet

I had to leave a certain server because people started to try to copy my techniques (but they failed at it lol)

I basically use 3 programs to texture and one of them is over 10 years old

[spiral sigil]

oh damn xD sounds like me with animation, i use MMD for it cause i learned to animate in it as a teen and i'm too used to it, but i'm now realising how limited it is and want to also learn blender animation, it's just hard getting used to blender, the entry into the different areas of it is probably the biggest hurdle of it

[spiral sigil]

i get substance recommended a lot, i think i should really give it a try

thanks for answering btw :3 and dw, its okay if you want to keep your process secret

[craggy lintel]

It's allll abbout them keyframes

Right now i'm best at animating 2D mesh but i can do unity anims no problem

[tough plover]

@craggy lintel I specialize in making assets in blender and can texture using substance

but I can also do rigging, shape keys, and unity work

[spiral sigil]

ohh unity anims are also something i would like to learn, unity is a big mystery to me still xD

[quaint jasper]

There is honestly no reason to animate in Unity unless you can't export something out of it

[craggy lintel]

yeaaaa unless you’re doing VRC stuff

but like the creation of those anims carries over platforms for sure

[fair scarab]

Im having a problem rn with an avatar, can someone help me?

[quaint jasper]

If it's a modelling issue yeah

[quaint jasper]

That's why you should be starting in Blender

[craggy lintel]

Oh for anim yea

[fair scarab]

more like upgrading unitys version issue

[quaint jasper]

then that's the wrong channel, you can ask in #avatars-2-general

[craggy lintel]

I may pick up C4D though when I get to the point to where I want to animate 3D film stuff

Maxon unfortunately is way superior

[fair scarab]

ok thanks!

[white moth]

after getting familiar with blender I’m straining to think what paying a subscription for paid modeling software gives that blender doesn’t give for free. Admittedly, Ive never used any because it’s all too rich for my blood

[craggy lintel]

Cinema 4D is free I think?

No wait it isn’t

[white moth]

It’s about $3500.00 usd if you don’t want to pay a subscription. That gets you the current version without any updates

Maybe i have bad info

Subscription is more affordable - but it’s never paid off

Or just download blender for free lol

[craggy lintel]

Jeeeez

Yeaaa

Idk

[white moth]

Blender is the industry standard in the circles I’ve seen

[craggy lintel]

Maya or C4D would be the question

[white moth]

Oh Maya or c4D is an easy choice. Blender.

[craggy lintel]

Nahhh blender isn’t unfortunately for big studios, etc

[quaint jasper]

If you're a hobbyist then Blender is the only option

Studios are trying to move to Blender, but they rely way too much on specific Maya addons that Blender doesn't have

[craggy lintel]

Yea

[quaint jasper]

It also means hiring new people entirely, and dropping the ones you had

[craggy lintel]

Maya and C4D sorta seem to compete with eachother

Lots of the big Instagram people follow using C4D

Like beeple

Beeple crap is amazing at what he does

[white moth]

I see see learning expensive paid 3D software as a waste at this point, places are trying to get rid of it

[quaint jasper]

Zbrush is the only thing that i find compelling, but i still think they'd benefit a lot from better/cheaper subscription models

[craggy lintel]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHLKY8HgMOy/?utm_medium=copy_link

This is insane

[white moth]

I feel like most people who use it as a hobby just have a license from their company

or pirated it

[craggy lintel]

Well actually adobe out here trying to buy everything up

They ate substance and all of it’s programs

[white moth]

Yes they turned substance painter into terrible

[quaint jasper]

imagine disabling backface culling or disabling xray painting

[white moth]

Yeah I’ve been chopping up models just to make them easier to paint in substance which is ridiculous

I really need to learn how to paint in blender

It’s defaults are just so empty

They really make you do everything yourself

[quaint jasper]

I paint on the UV window for that reason most often

cant make mistakes there

[tough plover]

just make a version of your model with a duplicate above it which you then explode to paint more easily

[white moth]

🤔

[quaint jasper]

Well that's just a bit insane

[white moth]

Insane is me thinking oh my god that’s genius

[tough plover]

both share a UV map, so you can paint on either one

you can also make as many copies as you want exploded in different ways

[craggy lintel]

just do 143852485748 materials on the same uv and then use photoshop ;3

if youre in substance

[white moth]

I only use substance to paint directly on the model

That’s my only use for it. I should just be in blender, but it’s default brushes suck

I need to learn it better. So far I only manage to use a really blurry brush

[tardy rapids]

texture

flipped version cause I think it looks better

[thorny ivy]

Looks mighty nice.

[lime vector]

why is outlining objects so hard on unity😭

[tardy rapids]

WHOA

the difference photoshop's normal map generator can make

[lime vector]

oh I see it

nice mango

[thorny ivy]

I probably should look into normals, I've barely touched them.

[tough plover]

baking normals from higher poly versions of your mesh is a very good way to add detail

[thorny ivy]

Good to know, thanks.

[tough plover]

for example: say you wanted to add creases in some fabric

make a copy of the mesh, subdivide it 3x

use sculpt mode to carve in the details

then, bake a normal map from the high poly one to the original

and those details will now be faked with the normal map in the original

[tardy rapids]

alternatively, if you just need engravings or some light details that can be grabbed from the texture you made

Photoshop's 3D Normal map generator filter works VERY well

[tough plover]

@thorny ivy

detailing using normals

[thorny ivy]

Noice.

[tough plover]

👌

without

[sacred field]

This was probably exactly it. Because the thing that caused this to happen was right after I was trying to hide the skirt bones and they wouldnt hide at all (and this is on 2.93 so I guess the bug is back?)

[clear geyser]

MIB Worm

[onyx juniper]

I remember their vestigial hands being bigger though

[clear geyser]

Nah

[craggy lintel]

Now I got a reaaaallll question

one I haven’t seen an answer to yet

So has anyone ever managed to make things look really good without showing that they are trying make things look good

Clothing wise

Cause I always see/use subsurface scattering/normals/etc type stuff and like

It always looks like it’s trying too hard lol- I think I’ve seen something like this oneeeee time but the person works serious business with 3D IRL so he was perfect at what he did

[quaint jasper]

It's still Unity at the end of the day

But yeah there's amazing stuff in vrc

[craggy lintel]

Yeaaa

True

My friend and I agreed that PBR’s can only get you so far lol

[quaint jasper]

The rest is with complex shaders

And then it's Unity's render pipeline, and then there's vrchat's world lighting quality

It's hard to look good consistently

[craggy lintel]

https://youtu.be/IqhXDb69wl4 check THISSS out

This is sorta what I mean

the clothing in this from marvelous is marvelous

[quaint jasper]

Making the clothing is easy, it's controlling is that isn't

dynamic bones and constraints don't cut it

[craggy lintel]

Yeaaa

My friend and I came up with a very decent solution for dresses though

Come to think of it

[thorny ivy]

Speaking of models...

I made a custom ear for my avatar. Mix of goblin, elf, and just some creativity.

[obsidian nova]

That’s really lovely.

[thorny ivy]

Thanks! No proper texture/material for it yet though, even putting a placeholder on just makes it hard to tell the inner shape.

Size comparison for the rest of the head (which is a prototype atm).

Gave her ear-lobes since that was something many ear designs for fantasy-esque races seem to lack as a whole.

[copper parcel]

Hmm... I tried importing my avatar to vrchat but for some reason the body texture is missing... looks fine in unity x.x

[polar marlin]

Well that sucks

[obsidian nova]

@thorny ivy Do you usually hand-paint the skin textures or do it procedurally with a material bake?

[thorny ivy]

No idea how to do either, honestly.

Actual texturing is new territory for me.

[obsidian nova]

Ohhhhh, if you want, I’ll give you a crash course sometime. I’m no pro, but I’ve picked up a few really helpful tricks.

Just add me.

[spiral sigil]

Completed the Alternate Arm.

Sksksksksksk-

[thorny ivy]

Build-a-Jaeger when?

[spiral sigil]

xD

[thorny ivy]

Pacific Rim VR

[fallow isle]

May consider checking out Substance Painter. It's pretty much the centerpiece of my texture workflow. Sculpt details in ZBrush, ship out high poly to bake normals/AO/curvature/thickness to low poly in Substance Painter, do texturing in Substance Painter, export material maps for Poiyomi. Get the workflow down and you can have your materials looking more or less identical across SP, Blender, and Unity.

[tough plover]

that's pretty much my exact workflow

just minus Zbrush

[fallow isle]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

I love substance painter, can't live without it

[digital hound]

If I have 1 floor object and 1 wall object. Is there a way to merge the 2 where the wall faces cutout into the floor faces?

[thorny ivy]

Flip normals would do the trick there I think.

[digital hound]

how would that cut the wall shape into the floor

[thorny ivy]

Oh, you want the wall to cut into the floor.

[digital hound]

yeah

[thorny ivy]

Edit Mode -> Face - > Insersect (Knife)

Not sure if both parts have to be in the same object though.

[digital hound]

I assume that after I make it I can ctrl+join them

[thorny ivy]

Make sure to have one of the objects highlighted, dunno if it's the cutter or the cuttee though.

[digital hound]

then do that

alright

[thorny ivy]

I've been in avatar-creation mode so haven't messed around with any actual things in a while.

[foggy granite]

Looks great what’s the poly count

[spiral sigil]

200,000k Vertices.

: )

[spiral sigil]

Well before without that alter arm it was 135,000.

when it was just the two similar arms.

and Edge split kinda made it higher.

[foggy granite]

Alright

[azure rain]

that is terrifyingly large hopefully that's just the high poly for a normal map bake

[foggy granite]

Go to it before me

[azure rain]

like that exceeding the triangle budget for the entire frame of a AAA video game by like an order of magnitude

[spiral sigil]

yep.

[foggy granite]

But honestly that’s fine for animation or show piece

[azure rain]

yeah but probably wouldn't show well on a profolio for gamedev

[foggy granite]

Your right about that

[spiral sigil]

Kinda put too much detail.. Actually not kinda.

[foggy granite]

But i can see a lot of detail can be replace by norm maps if it need to be lower

[azure rain]

yes it definitely needs to be lower as a VR Avatar

like that triangle count probably exceeds like how much someone is rendering in a given frame of vrchat on PC

[spiral sigil]

Sadly i think the lowest i can do is 120,000.

or else its just a bunch of ungodly weird shapes.

[foggy granite]

Can you show the wireframe

[spiral sigil]

As Much as the Chest says it looks like a lot , its not , its 1,090 Vertices.

[azure rain]

if it's helpful you can use triangles for that to deal with the shapes

[spiral sigil]

I'll try.

[azure rain]

and probably a lot of that could be on the normal map

as far as the loops that are mostly for like Edge highlights

[spiral sigil]

I see.

[thorny ivy]

This ear used to have a lot more polys before I decimated it but made sure the overall shape/structure remained the same.

I set it to around .20 or so I think? Definitely on the lower end but went as low as I could go before it had any real impact on the mesh profile.

If an ear can turn out that well, sure the program can work its make and really reduce the overall vertices count for a mesh like that.

I know ear =/= giant robot but still, programs tend to be pretty good at simplifying things when we don't they can be much further.

[radiant ridge]

Alright after fixing it up for about two days. This giant cannon is nearly ready for all its little detailed bits

[tardy rapids]

It's amazing how much eye shines can change the feel of a picture

Ayyy, cute

oh shit

Y'all better get running cause those claws ain't just for show

[quaint jasper]

the space between the mouth/nose is still very odd to me

[spiral sigil]

i had an issue that was caused by something being connected to the armature but the issue is... how do i connect stuff to the model? i usually just do retextures so adding stuff to models is new to me

[spiral sigil]

figured it out. i join the meshes in blender but give them different material slots

[spiral sigil]

ok, question

let's say I have this here vine on the arm of my avatar

I only want to have the vine active with a toggle

is there any preparations I should make when rigging?

Should I not have the vine there when rigging?

Like, should the vine be a separate object?

[devout scroll]

There are different ways

You can make it a separate object then toggle it with an animation

[spiral sigil]

but how do I make it bend with the arm, then?

[devout scroll]

You can make it the the same object and use a shape key to show and hide it

You can make it the same object but a different object and hide it by toggling it's material between the real one and an empty one

You still have to weight paint it to the same bones the arm has

[spiral sigil]

not an option, I want to make this quest friendly

[devout scroll]

That's why I gave you 3 options

[spiral sigil]

but doesn't the shape key make it gradually transition?

[devout scroll]

If you make it gradual then yes, if you make it snap to 100% then not

[spiral sigil]

oh, ok

thanks^^

[devout scroll]

You create an animation that sets the shape key to whatever value you want

In unity

[spiral sigil]

I see

How do I make a shape key that changes its UV map?

I want to make the skin be able to be toggled between two different colours, both in the same material

Is there a way to tell unity to shift the UV for the face from one part of the texture to another?

[devout scroll]

You can pan the texture in some shaders

But you could also just make a new material and make an animation that swaps them

@spiral sigil

[mellow violet]

my obj looks like this is Metasqeuoia

but it looks like this once converted to mmd

[spiral sigil]

Does that work with any Quest shaders?

[mellow violet]

my guess is that the invisible texture is doing an oopsie

[devout scroll]

I don't know, you gotta check

[spiral sigil]

Alright, thanks ;w;

[mellow violet]

hmmm

I think I got it

wat

texture look like this

but actually this?

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys

I have a weird issue

my armature disappeared

but it's still there

and when I try unhiding it with the hotkeys, and with every other normal option it does not reappear

but it's still there

[devout scroll]

Screenshot?

[spiral sigil]

what's the best way of rigging a skirt/dress for VRChat?

should I make a separate bone for it? Should I use the regular body bones?

I don't want to mess with dynamic bones, though, since they are not supported for quest

[thorny ivy]

I've learned ya can rig a skirt with about two-four bones, depending on the actual length, with half on each side.

Weight-paint accordingly though.

[spiral sigil]

I see

so like... where should I put them, in this case?

[thorny ivy]

But clothing physics is an option supported by VRC's Unity engine. Don't know how to really use it though.

[spiral sigil]

it is an option for PC only (which I'll rarely use) and I don't really know how to work with it so...

[thorny ivy]

I'd say for that particular model, between the dress' outter edges and the actual skeleton.

So sandwiched between the two.

[spiral sigil]

also, what should I parent those bones to?

the shoulders? the hips? the neck?

[devout scroll]

Use the body bones

auto rig it then fix issues if they arrise

[visual vigil]

https://twitter.com/HexeArtz/status/1415040858068590595

Junos 🔞 (@HexeArtz)

Been making #Halo inspired armor for my catfish sona, its suppose to look like Covenant / Elite themed armor smithing.

Still WIP, I've redone the armor like 3 times already, satisfied with what I developed

Twitter · Jul 13, 2021, 8:10 PM

[mellow violet]

pretty

[foggy granite]

looks cool what poly count and how the wireframe looks

[tardy rapids]

With Passionlip done:

le render

[thorny ivy]

Damn those hands are big.

Know what they say 'bout big hands...

[worldly tangle]

lots of polygons

[tardy rapids]

She is at exactly 70k. Like 40k of those polygons are JUST hands.

[tardy rapids]

Verified on VRCTraders

hell yeah

[worldly tangle]

My FX-05 Xiucoatl (🇲🇽)

[tardy rapids]

Now that is optimization

[worldly tangle]

yep

[foggy granite]

how many is that now

[tardy rapids]

it says on the image

1337 tris

[quaint jasper]

Yeah, that's before the triangulation

[white moth]

I fear non-coplanar n-gons

[foggy granite]

i ment like how many guns did they make so far

[worldly tangle]

I made three guns so far (Including FX-05 Xiuhcoatl)

[foggy granite]

nice

[worldly tangle]

I finally finished UV editing the model so. . . . that's one hurdle over with

[thorny ivy]

Decided to finally model somethin' I've been kickin' 'round for a while now: a "modernized" pavise with extendable energy projectors. Very rough concept still but got the general shape worked out at least.

Blue = body (likely metal)
Grey = metal (sharpened at the bottom)
Yellow = energy (may change to red)

On a related note, I'd like the center (the diamond shape) to have a pattern like this. However, actually figuring out the geo for it has led to some mixed results.

The spacing isn't uniform so it ends up looking wonky.

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys

Is there a way to edit existing mesh in blender with curves

I heard there’s a plug-in for it but idk which one

[paper idol]

i need some help uploading my Avatar i made to Vr chat from unity i have the trusted role and stuff

[devout scroll]

Can you explain what you mean by that

[still wadi]

booba

https://i.imgur.com/sqXR6Zq.png

[craggy lintel]

edit mesh as if you could edit a curve

with beziers

[devout scroll]

You can try using a lattice

[tardy rapids]

booba

Jokes aside though, looks good

Should probably do more sculpting with my work

[foggy granite]

First, explain what you trying to make

You can have a mesh follow curves using an array and curve modifiers

[craggy lintel]

I want to edit existing mesh with a curve

I’m a veteran with curves I’ve been working with them for 10 years

It’s my job.

I just want to edit existing weighted, shapekeyed mesh with a curve

[devout scroll]

Still doesn't explain what you want, move verticies around?

Deform the whole thing with a curve?

Give a practical example

And weighted or shapekeyed doesn't matter as you can still apply modifiers to them with some work

[tough plover]

@craggy lintel add this modifier

[craggy lintel]

Yeaaaa not what im looking for

the curve modifer doesnt do what im wanting

lmao

Yeaa i dont think what i want is possible without the plugin

[devout scroll]

Yeah well it would be helpful if you actually explained what you want..

[tough plover]

I think they want something that can add X amount of curves on the surface of an object to be able to manipulate the shape of it

but I think that proportional editing or the grab sculpting tool could get you most of the way there

and the modifier I showed too

[devout scroll]

There's ways but you need a bit more info

You can use verticies with hooks

You can use a lattice

You can use deform

[tough plover]

oh yea a lattice

good call

[craggy lintel]

Nope don’t want ittt

[craggy lintel]

Nope

Lattice probably closest to what I’m talking about

but lattice isn’t necessarily what it is

[craggy lintel]

I use those tools everyday

Literally everyday lol

If I could get a lattice to behave the way I want it, I’m set but there isn’t a way

[quaint jasper]

i've never heard of a plugin to do that, did you really not find anything ?

[craggy lintel]

Unfortunately not haha

you know how beziers work? Basically like

I want to draw a bezier around an object

Be able to edit it as you would edit a bezier

and manipulate the selected areas

just would be more efficient to me using the O tool

Would be epic

[white moth]

That’s curves/nurbs . Yes you can model that way, though at some point you will need to convert it into triangles.

[craggy lintel]

hun I have made countless assets using curves, I’m talking about existing mesh, I wanted to edit existing mesh in the same exact fashion (other than the loop controls etc)

[white moth]

I mean proportional editing is close to what you describe

you may be able to get something closer to your defintion but i'm not the master of all things blender

[quaint jasper]

Yeah that'd be proportional editing

[craggy lintel]

Yea I mean I’ve been okay with doing proportional editing

I just wish I had curves to edit with sometimes because curves behavior is a bonus in any program

I have a cool plugin on substance for curves on mesh for designs

[thorny ivy]

Starting sometime yesterday, I began working on a custom shield and more-or-less finished just a bit ago. Going in, I had a rudimentary idea of how it'd work from a technical aspect but was pleasantly surprised to find it was relatively easy to implement.

Still need to do some clean-up and the UVs but it's properly rigged! Deployment is controlled via shapekeys though still have bones for controlling the moving parts, not sure if I need to keep those.

[tough plover]

bones would be a more performance friendly option

[thorny ivy]

Good to know, I'll look into getting rid of the shapekeys as I optimize the model.

[cerulean shoal]

forgot to post here lol

[hollow ermine]

🤌

[thorny ivy]

❤️

[wild forge]

Hello i am looking to make my own avatar i am a beginner befor i look up videos on youtube is there any specific ones you think i should watch first thanks 🙂

[azure musk]

Does anyone know, any good blender course? I make avatars, but mostly kitbash.. usually I can scratch for example hair and small stuff, but I would like to learn how to make clothing and stuff.. :)

[still wadi]

you should check my stream 🙂

[zinc jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778963573128953888/865561883133607976/Screenshot_1025.png

yup, this is high poly